Fr JOSIAH TRENHAM - What Masculinity REALLY means
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2023
- A conversation on the connection between masculinity and virtue with Fr Josiah Trenham. Fr Josiah starts in a surprising place to illustrate how far off we have gone from the path given the role of feminism, looking at shoulder pads in women's suits. He then goes on to illustrate a beautiful example of how men can lead with integrity and love. We particularly investigate four areas for the development of masculine virtue:
1. Participation in the divine services of the Church centered around the Eucharist
2. Sports, athletics, and military service
3. Marriage
4. Fellowship in brotherhood
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The most influential women in all history didn't get a paycheck. 🤯
Great discussion.
The ultimate career is the homemaker, caretaker of a husband, and the mother of the next generation. it is a lot of work, and the only profession that is equally as honorable is- any profession that is intended to support and protect the first one.
C.S. Lewis even says "All other careers exist for one purpose only - and that is to support the ultimate career. ”
Heaven is not just a stagg party! A.D. 2024 A.D. , Praise God for father time, and sweet mother nature! Thank you God for our Ladies!
As I hear these two men talk about masculinity this way, I'm sensing a whole new part of life that I hadn't even realized was there. I feel a mix of desperation and hope towards it. Desperation because it's so far removed from me, because of how much I've disregarded this entire aspect of my purpose, I have not even begun to become a real man, but I also feel hope because I now know about this great treasure that would greatly contribute towards saving my soul from its miserable state, and I can start taking my first steps towards it. Thank you Father Josiah, and thank you brother Paul.
Don’t feel desperation bro. The beauty is that God’s love power is literally infinite. We can’t comprehend it. When you become a vessel of the Lord, you have this infinite power on your side. Those feelings of despair come entirely from the enemy. Many saints warn against those feelings and remind us to focus on God and His infinite love for us.
@@True_Strength Thank you for your response brother. I hope that I will one day be so powerful that I can choose not to feel desperation.
In the last few months I've learned that desperation (as well as sadness) is as much a sin as anger is. In the same way that I am able to decide not to be angry, but to be patient and forgiving instead, I need to be trained, to be able to decide not to be desperate, but to be hopeful and courageous instead.
I am not there yet. Please pray for me, if you would.
Well desperation isn't always bad . It's a signal that you have to get to work is all. I have a desperation to learn Orthodoxy... So I am devouring as much as I can. I have never studied this hard in my life desperately learning what I can!
Well said. I am married woman. You made my cry...I'd give anything if my husband were to say to me what you just posted for the world to see. I'd give anything for my husband to watch this program. Please pray for my husband and please pray for me and my son.
Brother, don’t be so hard on yourself. Jesus Christ loves you as he loves me or this 2 great men talking. Remember don’t be so hard on yourself and when in despair , pray! I love you , have a good day.
This made me cry. I am the victim of a divorce, my ex-husband was once a good man in the army but he became lost after he was chaptered out medically and he started abusing me. Then my mother died. And my father is a very weak man. But I came home during my awful divorce, to take care of mom in her last days and then take care of my dad. So I have been for 3 years. My dad’s weakness caused him to be addicted horribly to pills and for 3 years he has been putting me through hell. But I’m still enduring. I just keep praying.
I hope everything gets well soon, continue praying the Lord. He has a plan for you, maybe not necessarily what you are expecting but your life is in his hands and the Lord our God Jesus makes the best decisions for us!
I'm sorry that you're going through all of that. I will pray for you and your father. God is with you. Lean on him
Take heart, the crucible is where we are firmly formed by, and through, Christ. Speaking from my own past dark night of the soul, the darkness is where the light is purified. I'm sure everyone here will offer prayers for your deliverance from this hell. Keep your heart and mind focused on Christ. You will emerge transformed and find peace.🙏
Check out NarAnon for families of drug addicts. There is hope! You are not alone.
Keep praying and I will keep you in my prayers as well. Never give up
God bless
I appreciate this talk. True masculinity does flow from the Eucharist. I stopped dating because I wasn’t finding true masculinity. I’m honestly still trying to figure out how to recognize it in an earlier phase. So many men have learned the right buzz words, but if you really stick to boundaries and test it, they get upset. One guy even insinuated I deceived him and seemed upset that he wasted a month talking to me. I’m just focusing God now and I pray a lot to the Blessed Mother to give me motherly wisdom. And I’d genuinely like to be healed if there’s just something in me that’s attracting weak men. I’m thankful that I’ve dodged a lot of bullets so far.
I'm sorry to hear about that. It seems as though there aren't many real men out there anymore. Rare. (I'm not professing to be one)
May God bless you in your struggle and your search.
Big part of the journey is discovering and fixing our own flaws. Keep on moving 👊
I'm sorry you're struggling to find someone. I'd like to offer you advice that has helped me in my marriage. Sometimes too picky about another's struggle can hinder your progress. This reminds me of a Saint that I read about once who I try to keep in mind when I struggle with patience in my relationship. She was a Holy woman and married a pagan man to please her father. He was abusive and she had every right in Christian life to leave him, but she chose to stay instead, and lead him by her own example. She prayed to God, humbled herself before him and her husband, loved him for all of his weaknesses and forgave him. She helped him fight his battle against his demons. Her life set an example for him. He saw her in her unshakable joy and love for God and was inspired by her, learned to love and respect her and he converted. I say this not to condone abuse or encourage women to stay in abusive relationships because that can also be unchristian in itself especially with children involved, (This was a holy woman, remember) but to point out that we all are corrupted by evil, where one is blessed another is weak and vice versa. We're here to share our blessings with each other and lift each other up with love. In the end, we're all made in His image it matters not who you decide to marry, but the mercy and love you share with them together with God. So avoid your big red flags, but try to not be too selective. After all, if he's so perfect how will you justify your own sinfulness?
@@miagracev I appreciate where this is coming from, but it’s just not solid advice. If there is anything you want to be picky about, it’s the person you’re going to spend the rest of your life with and who you might have children with. You don’t marry someone to justify your own sin. There’s a fate worse than being alone and that’s to be chained to a weak man. I know that you meant this in a very kind and helpful way though and I appreciate the sentiment. God bless.
Same thing happened to me when dating, but saved time when man flirting, said, “I really want to remarry, but we would have to abstain from sex until marriage and you would have to consider conversion.” That saves a lot of time. Insist that your Orthodox Church have a young adult group for monthly gatherings. Protestants have singles groups and many young Protestants are interested in Orthodoxy.
“We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.”
C.S. Lewis
@@maccharles6571 The Abolition of Man ~1946
Today's world reminds me of a movie made long ago entitled "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World."
Outside of scripture, that CS Lewis quote is probably my favorite line, ever.
@@ironxYT The Abolition of Man is one of, if not the best works by CS Lewis
I love hearing/learning from Father Josiah
Prime examples of masculinity to me are the saints Arsenios of Cappadocia (went 5 times on foot to Jerusalem), Basil of Ostrog and Gerasimos of Kephalonia.
I am Dutch and became orthodox 27-29 years ago, now living in Germany.
Wow. The wisdom here is like drawing water from a deep lake.
Fred, it moved so quickly and was spoke with such ease that one might not realize the great depth of those words.
A video worth revisiting more than once.
Thank you for this conversation. I have been seeking what it means to be an Orthodox man in this modern world, and this conversation was very helpful. Thank you.
Hurray! I knew being told there is a father and a son and no female -ideal role in church could not be right. Of course there's a mother figure! ❤ Thank you!
11:17 absolutely. I'm so happy to find someone with the same thoughts on this. I am always telling my son the importance of struggle. For instance, lifting weights. People will think of a man as being very masculine because of his muscularity, but this is a subversion of the masculine principle. As the church is the bride of Christ, performing services, movements and acts of worship, it is the body as a temple which facilitates movement of the spirit in corporeal reality. Muscularity can become a byproduct of this, but the masculine act is in the domination of one's own animal nature and irrational impulses. Men today only understand a degenerate form of masculinity dependent on the body and its functions, its pleasures. True masculinity is based in the intellect.
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ."
~2 Corinthians 10:5
Your comment has some very great points. Especially, the mastery over self, i.e, the carnal mind and lust of the eyes and flesh. Also, note there's no male or female in Christ.
The idea of masculine and feminine are man made. Certainly, we are all to emulate the characteristics and qualities of Christ. Kindness, gentleness, wisdom, understanding, patience, forgiveness, mercy etc., do not look different in the flesh of one sex or the other.
Reproductive organs serve the purpose of propagation and are limited. No propagation in eternity. They neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like the angels.
Angels do not have reproductive organs.
Thank you for sharing this conversation with us. I will say, I appreciate Fr Trenham's "punch to the chest" greeting, however it is important for us to always consider what we do not know. For example: I was raised to believe the importance of a firm handshake. My handshake is very important to me and not something offered lightly (no pun intended). Last year, I fractured a bone in my right hand. To this day, when I shake another man's hand, it causes pain in my hand- a reminder of my foolish outburst of anger which caused the fracture. The point is, it made me realize that I had never considered the possibility that I may not know I was causing pain to the man whose hand I was shaking (especially if he were an older fellow). Now I try to be more discerning before I squeeze the life out of someone's hand. Showing manly affection is good an all, but consider this quote: "There is nothing stronger than true gentleness. And nothing more gentle than true strength." God showed us this by His own example.
I’ll never forget Master Wong’s hand shake, who had a 9th degree black belt. His hand was like putty, forming around my hand with such gentleness, but could crush a stack of bricks with a single punch!
that's a very good reflection! I have the same habit, strong hand shake! I'm gonna keep this in mind!
i’m 45 and want to live out whatever years the Lord gives me as a man fighting
As an Orthodox woman, I enjoyed every moment of this video. I watched it because I am a fan of Fr. Josiah and wanted to hear his words about masculinity. Kudos to you, Paul, for doing this channel!! Men not only in Denmark, but in the US need to hear the messages you are promoting.
From my perspective in Appalachia, some men are untethered from God, from a moral compass and therefore very confused about how to interact with women and what it means to be masculine. In fact, it would be interesting to do some street interviews with men and see what you hear if asking, “What does it mean to you to be masculine?”
Keep up the good work, this was a wonderful and insightful interview. God bless you 🙏🏻☦
Thanks and God bless!
The things you were talking about at around the 19th minute mark about the man who copied jew practices and God sent an angel, a similar thing is happening to me, I started to repent and God started to guide me and this weekend will be my third liturgy as God led me to a great community and Church, I am looking forward to becoming a part of the Church.
This was a really needed stream for me. May God be with you all. 👑☦️🕊️
Fr Josiah bringing the wisdom, as he always done!! Blessings.
Truly he is risen. ☦️
Thank you for this necessary and very interesting conversation, our good brother and our wise and blessed father... from Russia with love☦️♥️🇷🇺
Axios !
Lovely , practical and grace filled discussion. So refreshing and inspiring. Fr Josiah is truly a light in the darkness . A huge blessing to Orthodox faithful .
I can’t express fully the impact Fr Josiah has made upon myself and my family . Thoxa to Theo.🙏
Paul, thank you for your deep , humble and frank perspective and openness . Our men and women to are in desperate need of Godly direction . God is with us 🙏
It would be interesting to hear Orthodox priests speak about the righteous protective jealousy of a husband in relation to his wife and female family members that is often mislabelled as "insecurity", such as protecting your wife from the gaze of other men.
Good point, I'll take that one on the Iron Sharpens Iron podcast.
@alem8100 I'm somewhat late to this, but as an Orthodox woman born, raised and living in an Orthodox country, I'm honestly curious about the religious base of your comment. Would you mind elaborating?
Father Josiah should have a discussion on this topic and topic of marriage with Jordan Peterson for an example. Just so that more people can hear the Truth.
An excellent idea ❤
May the Lord embolden you and lead you into the image of His son my brother: strong, courageous, loving, kind, and merciful
Христос васкрсе браћо
Alithos anesti!
Он воистину воскрес, брат
May God give me a manly and Godly man of Christ ❤️
Are you Orthodox?
Fr Josiah is a GIGACHAD
Thank you gentlemen for this conversation. Jesus is LORD. He will return. Pray for the lost brothers and sisters!
Pray with true sincerity and desperation to God to make us into Godly men.
Based
I’m from the US and I saw the Putin interview and said this is what a real man is even if you don’t completely agree with him, but then I look at Russia and how strong it is as people and how they have kept their meaning of manhood so farand part of it is or a large part is there orthodoxy faith
Fr Josiah!!! A breath of fresh air!
I thank God and you Paul for conversations like this!
These clear and straight words full of love by father Josiah strike so deep into my heart!
Yes I feel this is the clarity the world desperately needs right now, and it's amazing to see that in these dark times more and more people are coming back- and seeing the value again of a Christian life, myself included.
As a new Christian myself (2 years since I said; yes, i Want to give my live to you my lord, in prayer) and searching for my community with a big interest for Orthodoxy since a few months, it's really helpfull and inspiring to follow your journey and learn from the insights you get in conversations like this.
And i find the idea of doing pilgrimages great! Because where I live in Germany there's also no german speaking Orthodox church anywhere close.. I guess it would be a good first step to getting to now the Orthodox church better in real life.
It would definitely be great to have some other young serious (orthodox) Christian men closeby to pray and support one another in our difficulties in life..
I'm interested how you found your way to the orthodox church Paul, is there a video where you share your path to orthodoxy extensively?
God bless and all the best, already looking forward to the next conversation with Father Josiah!
Thanks for sharing. This is probably the place I have shared most on my journey to Orthodoxy: www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/iron/one_mans_journey_into_orthodox_observance
Where in Germany are you?
@@ManiphestoMen Thank you!
I live in the province of Saarland, south-west Germany.
@@bitsoffreedom1166 Krass. Nice zu wissen das Gleichdenkende und Gläubige auch hier in der nähe sind. Gott segne dich Bruder
hoping my country, Romania will still stand firm in its Orthodoxy. come visit
All the Romanian men I know of cheat on their wives profusely. Hopefully this is because they have strayed from their orthodox faith.
Powerful. And needed. Not just personally but on a wide scale.
To be blunt and provocative however.. when I hear the names of the most prominent leaders of every single socio-cultural group that is subversive to the fabric of our earthly and spiritual existence…
Like Betty Friedan in feminism;
I can’t help but think on catholic E. Michael Jones writings on things like “the giuish revolutionary spirit” and how addressing any ill in society needs a proper vocabulary first, yet without identifying or addressing the spirit of those seemingly at the forefront of a great many wrongs… we leave the subject of confronting the perpetrator nearly impossible to do.
The revolutionary spirit which rejects the logos and his order on earth can be confronted in the church, but certainly as the pope said “modern Europe is a desert of godlessness.”
In such a desert does appealing to the wider morality and tradition of a nation not require mainstream, popular and public media?
But what if thst media is by and large directed by members of a certain tribe. One who’s sacred books blaspheme Christ.
Does it not make sense that their anti-christic, revolutionary view would be the one foisted upon our people at every turn?
How can we hope to even begin to address such immorality and confusion, much less confront those at the lead of if… if we don’t properly name them?
I mean…
If the separation laws of hebrews and gentiles is gone.. yet the Talmud blasphemes Christ and demands very strict segregation/anti-gentile type cultures,..
Do we not have one singular group,
Defined literally by the Pharisees, woe to them, that can serve as nothing other than anti-god/anti-Christ forces to all gentiles? And who would literally be doing the devils work?
Fr. Josiah always has a way of perfectly articulating my own thoughts.
All the glory to our Lord Jesus Christ ❤️☦️ Bless you beloved brothers and sisters.
Being wife of 30 years, raising children, and my experiences from my father to uncles, grandfathers, church men, worldly men-- well, im deeply saddened. They all have very little in common with the men God created. Passivity or over agressiveness, both being raised entitled to being treated, sadly, almost like children. Little to no accountability within the world if godly men. I always believed that men had man parts to their tool box. They , most, are physically and emotionally stronger. They are created to be our protectors, providers-- the frontline for the family and the church.
The love Jesus Christ has for His beloved mother-- this love, honor, respect has rarely been taught by parents towards eachother, especially men towards their wives... snd how that trickles down to strengthening the children. When our soninlaw asked for our daughter's hand, I as her mother asked him if he would devote his love as caring for her like a beautiful flower. Tend to her, nurture her, respect her gifts (intelligence, her position as a mother, and Holy Spirit gifts that are given to her to help their family and their world)....
Im sorry, but all the men in my life have taken the beauty of each female and lived with the entitlement that the female's entire being is what they give to the men or how they make the man feel.
Not one of the men im my life-- relatives and church brothers-- have ever shown the godly position of why God created men. When a woman is truly loved, she responds like a beautiful flower. She does not wilt, she grows stronger. Husbands are not created to be a dictator, but kings who battle for their kingdom. They are their wives and family's covering!! The world will zero in on what we leave vulnerable. Evil men will marry our daughters bc of passive fathers. Evil people will take advantage of our businesses. Wolves in sheep's clothing will target the weak in the church!
Im sorry if i am wrong here, but i believe i can not fight off evil men and people as well as my husband can IF HE STANDS prepared where God puts him. It is a work if being a true servant. As a mother of adult children and now grandchildren, mt entire mothering and wife goals has always been to nurture and strengthen my family sacrifically bc i was motivated for love-- beyond my comfort. Facing conflict did not prevent me from protecting my family and business. I had confidence to face it bc I knew God was with me bc He is not passive. He is proactive. Even calls Himself a man of war (exodus).. Men are not to always fight physically. Im not saying that. But, my experiences has been that all thr men in my life coward to Conflict, thus evil saw we were wide open to be easily attacked. Evil targeted me bc i was the greater threat. But as the wife, it is NOT the same as the Man/husband wearing thr Armor of God!! Our precious daughter married a man who believed he was entitled to being a dictator, not a husband. Abuse her then go to church as a wolf in sheep's clothing. He saw her and his children as how they made him feel and look. She was an object. He broke his promise to us to tend to her heart . He had zero honor for her pregancies. Resented her time with the babies.
His own mother-- she supported this terrible shameful behavior bc she believed his wife was meant to serve his wishes. His own mother saw his wife as an object soley for his wishes.
My father needed fun, needed to live life like a free for all. If these men receive any conversation from their wives to change these terrible self- centered behaviors, these men respond with very covert excuses and gaslighting.
How can we stop raising spoiled men-children is the GREAT question which NEEDS A GREAT ANSWER!!
Im sorry to share these truths, but it deeply hurts my heart that even in the church... church men leaders, are they standing in for thr weak, the abused, the wife suffering bc her husband is emotionally abusive? Before we were Orthodox, our Pastor was a true soldier of God. If he was still in our lives, none of the absuses our daughter has suffered would have happened as terrible as it has come to pass. Her husband would without question, get a clear message that he must stop. And, it would not have just been thr Pastor of our church, the deacons would have went with him to speak honorably speak to her husband, first with peace. Second, with more peace added with manly emphasis. Third time-- out Pastor and the deacons would have escorted him to leave.
Today," evil prevails bc good men do nothing"...
Breaks my heart bc we are living in very heavy demonic times against God's true!!! Men, put on the Armor of God! Learn, practice, study and pray how to wear it. NOW
Thank you for sharing that. Lord, have mercy on your daughter. I pray she heals. I am trying to hear what they're saying in this discussion with an open mind, but it's difficult not to wonder what he would have to say to women who are treated as you describe. And to men who would take the first part of the discussion about the role of women as a sanction to treat their wives like subjects.
@user-yt3kd7cm7p If parents would emulate the beauty of true love's reflection of honoring the mother , (husband's love your wives as Christ loves the church... Jesus did not come to be a dictator, but to serve... He washed the disciple's feet)... more wives and mothers would bloom spiritually, emotionally, mentally... Problem with some men ( not all as my husband is a good, kind strong in Wearing the Armor of God) mary for their selves. Dangerous to mary bc of what someone's role we think they should be for us. Medi distorts this. The distortion swings far to either side. Christ's precious mother, was is the example to all sons to honor their parents. We dont all have precious mothers, especially none like Mary, but Jesus showed us how to honor our mothers. She shows us all how to obey and live holy. Whether husband or wife, we are both examples of godliness; serving, honoring, caring and sacrificing for one another. This is fullfilled through love. Without true love for the other person, there is none of this. Men must serve through love, women must do the same. First, in the family, then out in the world.
Its very interesting to be a Christian and to treat wives like subjects. Jesus' life put a beautiful light upon His way He honored His mother....the women he dearly loved all points to serving them. Caring for them, helping them. Especially in Orthodoxy, where we see Mary for who she is; through Christ's eyes ( as much as we are humanly able).
Christ was the perfect exemplar. A brave man. Courageous and masculine. ❤
Very enjoyable talk. ❤❤
Excellent words, Fr Josiah. Thank you!
Thank you
As an orthodox man i am learning Christian morality which has been radically different from the worlds. Sometimes i hear clergy speak from the world, let me give an example; "It is always sinful to take a life." This reminds me of when i used to be a morale absolutist, influenced by naturalism and libertarian ideology. St Paul clearly states that "all things are lawful" but he says "not all things are useful," Fr Trenham points out that so long as we center Christ in our hearts and conform to his ideas about what is greatness and what is masculinity this is good. If we do all things with Christ enthrones, we do well. St Paul indeed says "Whether you eat or don't, do all things to the Glory of God." The point here is, from my understanding, that actions are not inherently evil, all things are lawful, what matters is our hearts, our intentions.
If we are willing to lay down our lives to protect the innocent as a soldier, then taking life is sometimes unavoidable. Does he sin? To say this is akin to a violent and cruel murder is abhorrent and ridiculous. Some will cry out and say to take a life is a violation against the image of God and is always flawed, others say that our intentions can lead us astray. The former is nonsense, for man has been given the authority in Christ to make decions that bare responsibility. such as protecting his familly and loved ones from those who seek to do evil. We are free to, as Peter did, protect by the sword if we must. Ah they will say Peter was rebuked for using force, No. No Peter wasnt wrong to cut the ear of the man who attempted to arrest Christ because he used physical force, but because Christ came to die, even unto death on the cross. Peter here was standing in the way of Christ path to the cross, Christ didnt tell peter using force was wrong. Though he would come to say "Get behind me Satan" when Peter tryied to stop Christs road to the Cross.
Where the Greeks sinful when they freed themselves from the Muslim yoke in their war of liberation WW1? Was St Constantine wrong to pull down Pagan temples and defend his borders with Christian Soldiers? How do the clergy explain these points? I whiteness paradox time and time again in Orthodoxy. How can salvation be both a process and a single act, or how can Christ take on a human nature being that he is God who cannot change? Time and time again we see paradoxical mystical events that we fail to understand. How can it be that we are taught that Taking a life is always sinful yet taking a life is celebrated in our church, the soldier saints!!
It is good to be lead to the cross to die if this is Gods will, like St Ignatius of Antioch! but it is also good to take up the sword to protect, like St George! So here again paradox, for you are given by God different ways to honor Him. So even today when we see clergy rebuke the war in Russia, do not be quick to judge, what do you know of their intentions?
You cannot love your enemy and cut short their time of repentance. War is the greatest sin, as St. Sophrony wrote.
@@rf9547 To understand what the greatest sin is, we must first know what the greatest love is. So that we can then look to inverse it. As it is, we know what the greatest of love is, for Christ told us, "their is no greater love than this, to die for ones friends." Thus it seems to me, the greatest sin is not war, but it is to be unwilling to die for ones friend. Since war gives opportunity to save ones friends from persecution, tyranny and hate, war is something which can actually be a platform for the greatest of love. St Sophrony is a authority, yes. He is not however the Chorus of Orthodoxy and St Cyril of Alexandria says that "in public we must draw the sword to protect our brothers less we give them over to renouncing their faith."
Logos is rising
Logos Has Risen..☦️
Having traveled extensively and based in CA, CA is not the epicenter of the problem. Blind consumerism is.
Why do you say that?
Fantastic.
Keep preaching truth thank you
Great convo
I just fund these guys on the RUclips’s, and I think they are great. Learned a lot from them here and I will continue to follow them. Thank you for all you do
I think it is helpful to think of the fact that there are Universal Virtues that transcend our earthly forms, and so apply to both Men and Women, but there are Virtues that particularly pertain to each Gender, as God intended.
Thank you, brothers. I'm in favor of y'all talking about the classic saint Andrew. Shout out to my cousin, Andrew. Dr Groberg, may God bless you and yours, sir. 🫡
I'll be your brother! I am in that same unfortunate situation
One way to become manly or to become womanly, LET US STUDY OUR OWN GREAT GRANDPARENTS, AND OUR OWN GRANDPARENTS
My grandpa left his family in the philippines and came to america to find work and make enough to bring his family here from the philippines, but instead got married again and started a new family while still having a wife and kids in the philippines. My mom was in the womb when he left.
@@superpeaceloveunityLord have mercy
All the women of my "lignée" were home mom. Feminist have only one generation of women. My choice is made
Read your liturgy book and do your pull-ups
A.D. 2024 A.D. ! Praises to God for the Earth year! Thank You God, for father time and mother nature. Heaven is not a stagg party! Not entirely!
I’m so glad in the kingdom of heaven there’s neither male or female after listening to this
Uh, except there is. After the resurrection Christ was still a man. So will we continue to be male and female after the general resurrection!
I see you bother!
25:19 I loved having my husband home when our sons were born, I needed his help feeding the babies at night so I didn't lose my mind from sleep deprivation! I pumped and supplemented with formula, so his lack of breasts wasn't an issue.
Yes - please forgive me if I gave the impression that there is much benefit in men being around with small kids too. My main point is that the mother has a gerater role than the father in the early months, but my wife and I prioritise me as dad being at home with our 2 sons very highly too!
@@ManiphestoMen Congrats on your new arrival!
Excellent commentary, and of great value given the determined effort of liberal culture to destroy masculine identity and potential
37:00
True!
Oh my goodness I loved listening to this interview! And I appreciated the transparency, vulnerability, and strength of these Orthodox men!
The order God has given us is a beautiful gift indeed. In praying I found myself feeling for those who are not utterly delighted in God’s order of things as theyve been given a holy cross to bear, some affliction that weighs heavy on them. And i prayed for them to have God’s Energy and His Light present to them so that they would know His great love for them. May they find in His strength the grace of holy chastity according to their state in life.
☦ About Holy Communion and the cvd troubles: Not long after i was received into the Orthodox Church, a friend told me a story from a number of years before.
He told me the name of the priest but I will not type it here.
It seems that a young man visiting an Orthodox church, went to Holy Confession, and then told the priest that he hoped to receive the Holy Gifts, but that he needed to tell the priest that he had a communicable disease, and he asked that he be allowed to receive Holy Communion, but to approach the chalice last.
The priest without a moment's pause, said,
"OH, YE OF LITTLE FAITH, YOU WILL COME FIRST."
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the last few mins was unhinged. Haha. Bro's punching dudes in his parish ha. Yes! I love it.
I wanted to embrace orthodoxy but I don’t know watching this Joseph trenham it somehow makes my stomach churn . I’d prefare rather to listen to holy saints who wouldn’t waste there time making videos about manliness
"I’d prefare rather to listen to holy saints who wouldn’t waste there time making videos about manliness"
Sounds like a good idea :)
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Is there any place where these convos are still being uploaded as podcasts? if im not mistaken the spotify or apple versions havent been updated
Yes, we have fallen behind a little on the podcast on spotify and apple. Thanks for the heads up and we will get them updated!
@@ManiphestoMen excellent, thank you for doing that. keep up the great work!
Body is the good maidservant and terrible master.
C.S. Lewis was a member of the Home Guard in Britain
She didn’t even budge on her facial expressions until the last one
Good men's fellowship at f3. See if you have one in your area!
Unfortunately when I did a quick google search is estimated 55% of American men support women being drafted
When most women are not Christian nor want children, Then they have made themselves men and Will be dealt with as such.
Are you from Denmark? If so, what church do you attend?
Jeg bor på Fyn og er medlem i den ortodokse kirke.
@@ManiphestoMen Jeg bor på Sjælland, men ved ikke rigtig hvilken kirke jeg kan tage til, oplever der er en sprogbarriere de fleste steder jeg kigger..
@@Hemilgaming så er det nok en god ide at besøge Fr Poul Sebbelov i Gudsmoders Beskyttelse. Det er lige ved Østerport station i Kbh, og stedet jeg blev døbt. Se ortodoks.dk
@@ManiphestoMen Jeg takker.
Good evening all. Anyone know of an online forum or is interested in creating one for Orthodox fathers who have been forcefully separated from their home and children, to fraternise and to share helpful advice etc?
I have not heard of something so specific, but there are probably Orthodox men who have similar stories in some of the Orthodox fraternal groups such as the As Iron Sharpens Iron chat ( t.me/isipodcast)
and the St Paisios Brotherhood.
@@ManiphestoMen thank you! Anything which is broadly related obviously applies, I'm simply realising this is a major enough issue for our congregations to keep ignoring, and perhaps very many of our own brothers in faith are suffering in silence, when they shouldn't have to. I've come across at least two men I know from my own parish within the past three months, who've been uprooted from their homes too. Many yet are still left in the dark that police can actually remove you from your home, simply because your wife or partner doesn't want to be with you anymore.
@@markeedeepwow...what country do you live in? I tried to have the police remove my ex who is a raging abusive alcoholic from my home to keep him away from me and my children, and the sheriff told me that unfortunately, if my ex's name was on the lease as well, therefore they could not remove him unless he physically abused us. Which he did, and eventually was removed for, as evidence was presented by several witnesses. But the law in California is such that: a) anyone can be removed for domestic violence regardless of gender - as long as there is evidence of said crime. b) either parent can and will be awarded custody of children regardless of gender, so long as proven to be safe and non violent towards the children. c) Child support and alimony are based on income, regardless of gender. I am glad to live in a country and state that are continually working on legislation that is focused on being fair and beneficial to all parties involved, and more particularly for the well-being of the children. It isn't perfect. We still have issues to work on. My advice to you sir, which isn't really mine, is: seek ye first the kingdom of God and all its righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you. As stated, a virtuous man is a masculine man. Hallelujah. ❤
I’m offended that Fr Josiah didn’t punch me when we met.
Lol
Great insight from Fr Josiah,
however, I feel like the host did not really prepare his questions well...
there was alot of potential for some deep discussion but just missed because the host was flailing to articulate his thoughts into a question
Sometimes the flailing is part of what you're trying to say.
I suppose so. Thank you for your patience and please forgive my shortcomings as an interviewer and host :)
28:20min just a question...where do you live exactly in DK?
Fyn, South of Odense.
Not just the 'Spiritual Mother', She was this too, but She, Mary, was also the physical mother, 'Conceived by the Holy Spirit, Born of the Virgin Mary', She was the Blessed Arc of the New Covenant, She is the foundress of the Church..., the most beautiful and Blessed jewel of God's creation, like you said the greatest of all saints, the creature who God crowned as Queen of Heaven and Earth, When Jesus became Man, God's own Creation, the Creator actually became fully created human being, God the Father, Jesus His only begotten Son, and the Holy Spirit, took no shortcuts, left nothing out, Jesus' mother was indeed perfect, She had to be, otherwise she would have burned up with any hint of sin being so close to God and like you said, actually nursing Jesus.
As a soldier, i have to disagree about the male soldiers not wanting to rescue a male soldier whose been captured. Theres been many instances when men disobeyed orders to rescue their comrades. I know I sure would. Without a second thought, Id rush headlong into hell to save my brothers. Maybe thats just due to my unique role as a combat medic but I'm confident my brothers wouod do the same for me.
I think you are misinterpreting Fr Josiah - I am sure that he would greatly respect that kind of thing. What he is referring to is when people will take irrational decisions which jepordise even greater loss of life because of our tendency to prioritise female life and safety over males. Courage and self sacrifice are good. Throwing away lives because we put women on the front line of combat is not.
@@ManiphestoMen that makes more sense. Women should definitely not be on the front lines but the politicians need to have some ammo for their PR campaigns.
Unfortunately i known which RUclips... Influencers the priest is talking about..
IT MUST HAVE BEEN AN EPIDEMIC
. BACK THEN
Only a fool would join the US armed forces at the moment.
8 years in the corps, we absolutely would've done that for a brother.
I hear that example regularly but I think it's misinformed.
You will say; Latin Trinity.
34,40min Saint Godric ?
St. Godric of Finchale...hope this is what you're asking.
22>45min. yes there is one stance worse...when men instead of protecting you and/or children , they attack or abuse you in any possible way...how sad ..
So they said you got Kryptonite. Thank goodness, right?? Right? You probably got it yourself from Greece, yet that's another story. God bless Father.
Father i dont know if you're still reading all the comments or not, but i want to say i appreciate your take on the male role and it warmed my heart, but unless I didnt hear, I dont think you addressed what feminism arose out of. Yes i understand it was ecouraged and molded by evil, but wasnt there some unjust oppression happening to inspire women to reject their roles? I thought (among women at least) the intent was for improvement of quality of life (although it was a failure). Im not speaking in reguards to money and economy and such, but was femininity really ever valued? Or was it always viewed as weak and insignificant? Healthcare and mental care was terrible for them because there was no one in law or medicine fighting for their health. Many men dominated over them and lived whatever lives they liked leaving the woman to suffer and she would be shunned if she tried to escape. I know all this is unchristian, but it was the norm, right?
Fr Josiah does not read these comments - not even on his own channel, much less on ours. Unjust oppression is something that all groups of humans have experienced - women too. The response of feminists was to reject the beautiful and unique aspects of the feminine and to try and make women more like men, competing with men for power, status, wealth, etc. This means that women are increasingly pressured to reject their natural essence and to become something they are not. There are plenty of biblical stories where women are valued and appreciated for their natural femininity.
The father really wanted to punch him in the chest there at the end
So what of a woman who has no children? What of women who cannot have children? What of women who serve the children of other women? What of women who become soldiers- like my mother who was a US Marine? What of women who have raised their children? A woman is more than a womb. AND THAT is the issue right?
Not sure what you are asking about. Women are created in the image and likeness of God, the same as men.
Of course women are more than a womb. This video is about men and to men.
When he’s actually talking to women, he’ll likely address those things.
Also, a woman can be a spiritual mother to others without having children herself.
@@HeartFireSessionsSadly, no, he never addresses that on his channel talking about this stuff. I'm happy to be wrong, if I've missed something.
@@HeartFireSessions But a good woman doesn't have to be a mother at all too. Her God given telos maybe something else.
You are wrong about people loving themselves. Most people hate themselves.
This guy likes throwing up "The Horns", ala Anton LeVey.
Oy. Most of the time a gesture is just a gesture.
Get your head out of the crazy.
Saint clement was a real man. Preached the word unafraid. Sent to mine rocks , swung a pick to bust stone and coverted a whole country out of defience to evil.
And just for kicks saw the men thirsting for water prayed and walked up and drove his pick into a mountain and made a spring flow to save his fellow prisoners from thirsting spiritually and physically.
If that aint manly then buddy you need a better definition of the word manly.
I'll say this, look at the very brief descriptions of G-ds' men, there wasn't any machismo it does not seem. Which look at fruits of the spirit in Galatians chapter 5, gentleness, meekness, etc. King David, a humble shepherd boy. Look at Isaiah, very gentle and very meek. So much mean kids teased him for being bald. 🤩Then G-d sent bears to kill his oppressors. Look at Jesus, enduring so much.
I have heard that we should always stand up when a priest or deacon or Bishop enters a room to honor their headship why do we stand up for women? it seems to me women should be standing up for men.
Stand up for all men? No, only clergy.
@@LadyMaria but we stand up for them because of leadership, headship. To acknowledge leadership and headship in the family women should stand up for men. Just as in many Orthodox countries the women have the men go up to the Eucharist first. Or do you think they have it wrong?
@@pg618 Never heard of that and no it's necessary to do so.
What about women that are part of christ and follow what Trenham says. Are they also masculine? It's a paradox, his words dont add up.
Yes, women can also be manly - and there is nothing wrong with that. Many female martyrs were praised by the church fathers for their manliness. Its adds up perfectly, but stop being so occupied with what Fr Josiah says - all he is doing is repeating the teachings of the Orthodox Church. If he makes you upset or confused, then probably a good idea to find another source.
@@ManiphestoMen Women can never rival men in manliness. This is pure fantasy.
In Saint John Chrysostoms letters to Saint Olympia, he exports her to have manly courage. It is almost a play on words since in Greek, the word for man (ándras) and the Greek word for Courage (andreía) are very similar. Therefore, the word man or manly has the idea of Courage built right into it.
This does not in anyway preclude the possibility of women having this virtue. Indeed, women should. Many of the lives of Female Martyrs also describe the women as showing manly perseverance, or defending the faith in a manful way. There is just a special emphasis on men having courage and being more courageous in general, but everyone needs courage in this life, especially to be saved.
@taranmurray7046 just because you had martyrs that happened to be female doesnt mean anywoman today can take credit for that. Is like me taking credit for all the great men in history which outnumber the great women 100thousand to 1. My point is the masculine component has to be what women lack by definition i.e. striving for greatness. Women could careless about that.
@@kaywonderer No one said anything about modern women in comparison to the ancient and recent martyrs. Think what ever you want. You are wrong my dear brother. God bless you.
Milunka Savić Gligorević was a Serbian heroine of the Balkan Wars and the First World War, a sergeant in the Second Regiment of the Serbian Army "Knjaz Mihailo", as well as the most decorated woman in the history of warfare. She received many decorations, including two French orders of the Legion of Honor and a medal "Milos Obilic". She is the only woman in the world who has been awarded the French War Cross with Golden Palm. She applied for the first time as a man and only after a year when she was wounded did it become known that she was a woman.
Don't talk much about women in war and in the army, at least not in Europe. In Europe, there were thousands of women warriors in World War I and II who were real heroes, side by side with men.
And just about the endurance of the pain ... please, if you felt only 5 minutes of labor pains, you men would go crazy.
An impressive woman it sounds. I don't follow your point though. Are you trying to say females make better fighters than men?
No, but that we women are good or bad fighters just like men. Women in Europe have long proven this in various wars on the European continent that have been raging for centuries. Just like now in the current war between Russia and Ukraine, where hundreds of Ukrainian women are on the battlefield.@@ManiphestoMen
@@anaana-hx4sg the bible is full of females who played vital roles in wars and conflicts. Their virtues are often different from typical masculine virtues but in many ways more admirable.
The current trend of insisting that women can equal men in masculine traits seems a little silly to me, and risks undermining the beauty and value of femininity.
Ajde cuti..
@@anaana-hx4sghave a army of women vs a male army and the women will go down.
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Yes. The "DJ Isolated" depicted by a Buddha hidden underneath his earphones of course cannot accept this.
can i as a question? why is saint joseph , "the father" of jesus not put at the same value as mary ?
Christ was born in Mary's womb. She is the "Theotokos" - the "Mother of God". Understand that Christ, the Godman actually came from her flesh. The whole of human history led up to the incarnation through her. She was pure and without sin, the greatest of all the saints of the Christian church. Joseph was a devout man, but not at all at the level of Mary.
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