@lnromandude L-twin refers, in fact, to a configuration with a 90 degree angle between the two cylinders, where the forward cylinder is nearly parallel to the ground.
@dexxy45 L-twin refers, in fact, to a configuration with a 90 degree angle between the two cylinders, where the forward cylinder is nearly parallel to the ground.
L-twin refers, in fact, to a configuration with a 90 degree angle between the two cylinders, where the forward cylinder is nearly parallel to the ground. source: wikipedia
Yeah my Ducati's have a Shell sticker on the side of the engine, but it's funny how when i had the scheduled 12,000km service on my Streetfighter S recently, they didn't put Shell oil in it. They put Motul oil in it.
@SondeBeeches two motorbike manufacturers is not a significant portion of the V format engines in production today. The following automotive marques do produce 90 degree V motors: GM, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Kawasaki, Honda, Ducati, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Yamaha, Kia, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Volvo, Alfa Romeo, Porsche, VW, Mazda and probably a few more I cannot remember.
I think they are called L twin because one of the cylinder is almost in horizontal position (in reference to the ground). You can have V twin and L twin, with and without 90 degrees, but L is named because of the position of the pistons (or engine rotated "forward")
@x481x the reason was the position of the motor in the bike. one cylinder is "lying" the other one is standing.that looks like an L. Now take a L ( and imagine both lines have the same length, and thats how it is, both cylinders have the same lenght ), und put it upright so it's standing on the corner. For me that looks more like an V like L now. So the term 90° V Twin is not wrong at all. L twin is just a label name of ducati for the twins of ducati.
@tallica1988 well yea if engine is well lubricated there is less fuel consumption but you cannot "optimise" the fuel to work with the oil they dont mix
@x481x true up until now, their new block has 1199cc and it is going to power the new ''panigale'' which will come out soon. This block has a less than 90 degree angle, so basically, its no longer an L-block, but a V-block. Still, DUCATI POWER!!!
@CombatWombat1985 I noticed! If they can't get that right, how on earth are we meant to believe that ''the oil has been optimised to work with V-Power fuel''!!!
I have a waird question. Are the connecting rods spinning freely between them ? Is anything to separate them from grinding on each other? I'm just an enthusiast trying to understand how they operate without grinding one on the other.
@x481x Sure, you're right. The now official name for those twins is L - Twin, so far so good. But the v - twin was invented in 1888 by Gottlieb Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach. Every following V - twin simply was called V - Twin + the degree of his cylinders. The so called L twin was invented in 1963 ( by Ducati ). Until 1970, this invention was called 90° V- Twin, until when in 1970 the term L - Twin was born ( by Ducati ). But the reason was not the angle of 90°
i am just curious about my glass oil sight.when the engine is running in an upright position,does the oil level must be lowered till you see no oil on the sight?mine just decreases but still can see some oil on tha sight.is its normal?i am worried that my oil is not circulating good.thanks
@acidburn1993 The only thing I could think of that might be added is some sort of protection against blowby gasses that blow past the piston, haha but other than that, its bull, its a shame ducati would let them say that too..
@baneshield Wikipedia may say something different than what I'm stating, and that's fine. I've grown up surrounded by motorcycles and Ducatis in particular because my family owns a Ducati dealership. I'm just basing what I say off of Ducati service literature.
So again, a V-twin is the overarching category of engines that have two opposing cylinders angles that appear somewhat like a "V". In this category are various bank angles ranging from 45 degrees to 90 degrees typically with values also between. Rotax twins often have a 60 degree angle. An "L-twin" is a term coined by Ducati to describe the ORIENTATION of their 90 degree v-twin engines, not the angle between the cylinders. Contact Ducati and have them explain this to you.
@atsugnam0 Well if you include multi cylinder engines and auto manufacturers, that changes things quite a bit eh? Regardless, Ducati seems to have got their marketing right as their 90 degree v twin is one of the most recognized.
@x481x Well ur stating the literal meaning and many other like me state the general meaning. Both are right. Fact is that they are beautiful engines on beautiful bikes.
how does the oil have anything to do with the fuel, one powers the engine the other lubricates it i dont see how one can have an impact on the other its just a load of bull
they Switched Inlet and Outlet Times in Animation. No one Noticed?? The Engine in Animation gets Fuel and Air from the Exhaust and blows it out trough the Airbox. Hahaaaa
You lot and your comments are hilarious. Seems only about 3 people understand anything about engines. My dad explained most og it to me before i was waist high. If blackadder was a mechanic he'd be at home here.
When you go by the letter of the law (pun intended), yes, it is an entirely different kind of engine. When you go by the way that it functions & the way the components of the engine are set up, it is much more similar to a V twin than any other kind of engine.
It's not "similar" to a V-twin engine, and IS a v-twin engine. The desmo valve system has nothing to do with what letter defines piston arrangement. L-twin is simply what Ducati calls their 90 degree v-twin engines, that's it. The arragement of the cylinder banks, the firing order, etc. is no different whatsoever than any other 90 degree v-twin on the planet. Calling it "entirely different" is absurd.
Are you just going to ignore all the facts to the contrary of Ducati marketing lingo, or what? In the late 90's and early 2000's, V-Twin superbikes were all the rage. These bikes were the Ducati 9XX series, Honda RC51, Suzuki TL1000R, and Aprilia RSV. All of them were twin cylinder motorcycles and were V-twins of various cylinder angle degrees. You're going to sit there and tell me that the 90 degree twin in an RC51 and and a 90 degree twin in a Ducati 996 are not both v-twins? Educate yourself.
WRONG. A the term "v-twin" doesn't say anything about the angle of the cylinders. Also, 45 degrees and 90 degrees are by no means the only angles in v-twin engines. An L-twin IS A V-TWIN ENGINE. Ducati simply coined the term to describe the fact that their v-twin engines are rolled forward to make the classic "L" shape. All you clowns talking about L-twins being different than v-twins or other foolishness don't know what you're talking about.
40 years and you're still wrong. There is no, and I repeat "no," technical distinction between an L-twin and V-twin. There were 90 degree V-twins around before Ducati. Also, Ducati doesn't call their engine an "L" because of the 90 degree angle. They call it an L because the front cylinder bank is closer to being parallel to the ground. I swear, the information disseminated on RUclips is almost as bad as Yahoo! Answers.
I'm confused...you speak like you're trying to argue with me while agreeing with my point. Perhaps you should try responding to the top comments racer boy who thinks doing a few track days makes him smarter than motorcycle engineers.
Yeah, I wondered at first why the intake was shown as red (usually used for "hot gasses") and then noticed that what should be exhaust gas (after combustion) must be exiting into the valley between the cylinders (where the intake tracks are located). Bottom line: your assessment must be correct, they show the engine sequence backwards -- engine rotation must be backwards. Maybe they played the animation backwards?
The fact that the voiceover is instructed to say "shell" at least 300 times per sentence only makes you annoyed and just makes you hate the product. Plus, the american style ads dont suit a italian product at all.
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The internal combustion engine is beautiful.
Mindblowing!
@lnromandude L-twin refers, in fact, to a configuration with a 90 degree angle between the two cylinders, where the forward cylinder is nearly parallel to the ground.
@dexxy45 L-twin refers, in fact, to a configuration with a 90 degree angle between the two cylinders, where the forward cylinder is nearly parallel to the ground.
@x481x L twin is a V twin with 90 deg angle, so basically it 'is' a V twin. It comes under the V twin family.
L-twin refers, in fact, to a configuration with a 90 degree angle between the two cylinders, where the forward cylinder is nearly parallel to the ground.
source: wikipedia
Yeah my Ducati's have a Shell sticker on the side of the engine, but it's funny how when i had the scheduled 12,000km service on my Streetfighter S recently, they didn't put Shell oil in it. They put Motul oil in it.
@SondeBeeches two motorbike manufacturers is not a significant portion of the V format engines in production today. The following automotive marques do produce 90 degree V motors:
GM, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Kawasaki, Honda, Ducati, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Yamaha, Kia, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Volvo, Alfa Romeo, Porsche, VW, Mazda and probably a few more I cannot remember.
Nearly all V format engines are 90 degree V angle, the L-twin is a Ducati marketing spin, it's a V twin engine in format.
I think they are called L twin because one of the cylinder is almost in horizontal position (in reference to the ground).
You can have V twin and L twin, with and without 90 degrees, but L is named because of the position of the pistons (or engine rotated "forward")
@x481x the reason was the position of the motor in the bike. one cylinder is "lying" the other one is standing.that looks like an L. Now take a L ( and imagine both lines have the same length, and thats how it is, both cylinders have the same lenght ), und put it upright so it's standing on the corner. For me that looks more like an V like L now. So the term 90° V Twin is not wrong at all. L twin is just a label name of ducati for the twins of ducati.
thanks so much for your reply mate,appreciated.i am using the old ducati monster M400.
I love how the are partnered with Shell but on my 01 S4 Monster the manual of that time says to only use Pennzoil everything. Cool video however.
Summary: Parts move. Oil is good.
@tallica1988 well yea if engine is well lubricated there is less fuel consumption but you cannot "optimise" the fuel to work with the oil they dont mix
@x481x true up until now, their new block has 1199cc and it is going to power the new ''panigale'' which will come out soon. This block has a less than 90 degree angle, so basically, its no longer an L-block, but a V-block. Still, DUCATI POWER!!!
@baneshield FYI, an 'L' is a 90 degree angle and a 'V' is not. That's why Ducati refers to their engines as 'L-twins'. :)
@CombatWombat1985 I noticed! If they can't get that right, how on earth are we meant to believe that ''the oil has been optimised to work with V-Power fuel''!!!
did he say "shell" enough times? lol
I have a waird question. Are the connecting rods spinning freely between them ? Is anything to separate them from grinding on each other? I'm just an enthusiast trying to understand how they operate without grinding one on the other.
soooo shell paint the motor yellow??
Is this video about Ducati or shell oil?
@x481x Sure, you're right. The now official name for those twins is L - Twin, so far so good. But the v - twin was invented in 1888 by Gottlieb Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach. Every following V - twin simply was called V - Twin + the degree of his cylinders. The so called L twin was invented in 1963 ( by Ducati ). Until 1970, this invention was called 90° V- Twin, until when in 1970 the term L - Twin was born ( by Ducati ). But the reason was not the angle of 90°
@dainese900 Go read through the previous comments. A 'V' is NOT a 90 degree angle, it's simple really.
i am just curious about my glass oil sight.when the engine is running in an upright position,does the oil level must be lowered till you see no oil on the sight?mine just decreases but still can see some oil on tha sight.is its normal?i am worried that my oil is not circulating good.thanks
@micke240sx Yes.. it is... it used to be like the video on the old pantah engines.. Good one!
@acidburn1993 The only thing I could think of that might be added is some sort of protection against blowby gasses that blow past the piston, haha but other than that, its bull, its a shame ducati would let them say that too..
They have mixed up the valves ^^ isn´t the exhaust in the rear? ;)
@easygoingeddy My best guess would be Total. But I could be wrong.
so there's no trans fluid... just engine oil?
shell shell... shell shell shell, shell shell... shell shell shell, shell shell
@DolleHengst - Castrol? I think not
@x481x so........... in a "V" shape?
@baneshield Wikipedia may say something different than what I'm stating, and that's fine. I've grown up surrounded by motorcycles and Ducatis in particular because my family owns a Ducati dealership. I'm just basing what I say off of Ducati service literature.
what brand?
@DolleHengst and Mobile 1 ?
@x481x
yes indeed...thanks for agreeing with what i said
So again, a V-twin is the overarching category of engines that have two opposing cylinders angles that appear somewhat like a "V". In this category are various bank angles ranging from 45 degrees to 90 degrees typically with values also between. Rotax twins often have a 60 degree angle. An "L-twin" is a term coined by Ducati to describe the ORIENTATION of their 90 degree v-twin engines, not the angle between the cylinders. Contact Ducati and have them explain this to you.
@atsugnam0 Well if you include multi cylinder engines and auto manufacturers, that changes things quite a bit eh? Regardless, Ducati seems to have got their marketing right as their 90 degree v twin is one of the most recognized.
its stil works what hapend?:O
Hey Shell,
why don't you start selling V-Power engines for further integration and optimization of you fuel and oil :-P
Intake and exhaust are worng...
So Ducati have L-Twin or V-Twin?
every time i see these short educational vids on new tech. they remind me of the video discks from doom 3 lol
@atsugnam0 I wouldn't say nearly all. Hardleys and ktm superbikes don't have 90 degree v twins.
@x481x or 90° V - Twins ;)
@x481x please.......
Wrong, not the angle is what counts! How they mount the pistonrods, 180 or 45 degrees, its, in enginebuilder eyes both a V-engine!!!
@madmik80 Thank you!! You're the first person I've seen that's replied with an intelligent response. :D
@bmw295 Yup it was...
@x481x Well ur stating the literal meaning and many other like me state the general meaning. Both are right. Fact is that they are beautiful engines on beautiful bikes.
how does the oil have anything to do with the fuel, one powers the engine the other lubricates it i dont see how one can have an impact on the other its just a load of bull
This was just one big add for shell.
"SHELL VMAX FUEL IS OPTIMIZED TO PERFORM WELL WITH SHELL OIL HURDUR"
Yeah... sure it is bud...
@IAmJacksUsername100 yes!
they Switched Inlet and Outlet Times in Animation.
No one Noticed??
The Engine in Animation gets Fuel and Air from the Exhaust and blows it out trough the Airbox.
Hahaaaa
@x481x
L-twin = 90 degree V-twin
Ltwin no V twin
Yeah right, just like any other oil brand than shell isn't gonna lubricate the engine :/
Nice animation though
Show me a Shell station lol
You lot and your comments are hilarious.
Seems only about 3 people understand anything about engines. My dad explained most og it to me before i was waist high.
If blackadder was a mechanic he'd be at home here.
lets just say im using shell from now on!! lol
Still I don't understand how Ducati can make a 1000cc motor to produce 200Hp without using turbocompresors.
Carlos Herrera y'know because shell
Ducati? I guess you mean every single current 1000cc super bike in the current hp war. Because there all close to 200hp to make no difference.
Because they are highly tuned with aggressive cams and lightweight engine internals unlike your average Citroen for example.
When you go by the letter of the law (pun intended), yes, it is an entirely different kind of engine. When you go by the way that it functions & the way the components of the engine are set up, it is much more similar to a V twin than any other kind of engine.
Then explain my old SV650's 90 degree V-twin please.
Or does racing bikes give you more credibility than Suzuki's ENGINEers?
How the hell did human figure this out ?
It's not "similar" to a V-twin engine, and IS a v-twin engine. The desmo valve system has nothing to do with what letter defines piston arrangement. L-twin is simply what Ducati calls their 90 degree v-twin engines, that's it. The arragement of the cylinder banks, the firing order, etc. is no different whatsoever than any other 90 degree v-twin on the planet. Calling it "entirely different" is absurd.
@aneeshkotru Please go read through my previous comments. I'm tired of explaining this to people like you that reply to the top rated comment.
I use chevron
Are you just going to ignore all the facts to the contrary of Ducati marketing lingo, or what? In the late 90's and early 2000's, V-Twin superbikes were all the rage. These bikes were the Ducati 9XX series, Honda RC51, Suzuki TL1000R, and Aprilia RSV. All of them were twin cylinder motorcycles and were V-twins of various cylinder angle degrees. You're going to sit there and tell me that the 90 degree twin in an RC51 and and a 90 degree twin in a Ducati 996 are not both v-twins? Educate yourself.
Imma use ELF just to mess with Ducati
*facepalm*
You should've called it "Sh*ll Commercial" instead!
SHELL counter = 1337 =)
WRONG.
A the term "v-twin" doesn't say anything about the angle of the cylinders. Also, 45 degrees and 90 degrees are by no means the only angles in v-twin engines. An L-twin IS A V-TWIN ENGINE. Ducati simply coined the term to describe the fact that their v-twin engines are rolled forward to make the classic "L" shape. All you clowns talking about L-twins being different than v-twins or other foolishness don't know what you're talking about.
40 years and you're still wrong. There is no, and I repeat "no," technical distinction between an L-twin and V-twin. There were 90 degree V-twins around before Ducati.
Also, Ducati doesn't call their engine an "L" because of the 90 degree angle. They call it an L because the front cylinder bank is closer to being parallel to the ground.
I swear, the information disseminated on RUclips is almost as bad as Yahoo! Answers.
"our product-has been optimized to work with our product-so you can by more of our product!!"
Not en V engine... L is more appropriate
The letter V has no right angles, but almost all V8 motors are 90 degrees. That doesn't make them L8's, lmfao.
I'm confused...you speak like you're trying to argue with me while agreeing with my point. Perhaps you should try responding to the top comments racer boy who thinks doing a few track days makes him smarter than motorcycle engineers.
Fuck Shell
Best engine oils are Liqui Moly and Castrol !!
Agip and Elf are also very good.
Your engine is rotating the wrong way. K bye
Yeah, I wondered at first why the intake was shown as red (usually used for "hot gasses") and then noticed that what should be exhaust gas (after combustion) must be exiting into the valley between the cylinders (where the intake tracks are located). Bottom line: your assessment must be correct, they show the engine sequence backwards -- engine rotation must be backwards. Maybe they played the animation backwards?
Desmo-indietro
this title sounds like a porn name for bikes
The fact that the voiceover is instructed to say "shell" at least 300 times per sentence only makes you annoyed and just makes you hate the product.
Plus, the american style ads dont suit a italian product at all.
Ducati does not produce 'V' twins. They produce 'L' twins....just sayin....
Top gear test aspen car
Bullshit Shell Advertisement. They have done the total opposite, now ppl really wont buy shell anything!
@x481x
L-twin = 90 degree V-twin