Great tournament analysis ! Thank you for the insight and info. This should help people list building allot. Looking forward to your tights on the FAQ AND strategies with them. Cheers.
Hi Alex, it’s Eric Hung. Thanks for being considerate of my last name - you got it right the first time :) I basically lost the last game because I forgot the falcon horn exists and my dragon couldn’t make a charge. I was so tired :(. I also failed an impetuous check, but there’s a bigger story behind that on how I misremembered skirmishers that basically caused me to lose combat You are correct on your guess on Cloak of Beards for the -1 ld on break tests. It had absolutely helped with causing fbigos, though one thing I’ve noticed in all my games (I played against 3 elf players lol) is that I straight up do not charge my DPs until quite late in the game, like turn 4 etc. So, I don’t really get many terror tests with it. When I have two giant buses like that I have to absolutely make sure whatever I’m charging is going to be a win, so it’s a weird situation where I have a lot of pts. Invested in something that wants to charge a lot, but I can’t spam it to its max value in case I roll poorly and I suddenly lose
My DP lost me a tournament because they failed a fear check against a block of phoenix guard of all units. Since then, I play them with lion banner. It is a great unit, but you absolutely must get the charges right. I guess that after a long tournament your brain just wants to charge ahead and forget about it. Anyway, huge congrats on your result! You made us HEs proud.
I can understand the idea behind the Ironspike Shield combo, but Virtue of Heroism can't be used with a Magical Weapon so I can see why the TO ruled against using it with a Magical Shield. Ernan's list is illegal though, his Aspiring Champion is Mark of Nurgle & its mount is Mark of Chaos Undivided. A model cannot have more than 1 Mark & paying for Mark of Nurgle would have bumped his list over the 2K point total. Great video as always and interesting to see the top lists. Suprised by the expensive Banner of the Lady's Grace, but Luna is more experienced so I bet she has some purpose for it than just safeguarding her Falcon Horn user.
If a character with the Mark of Nurgle (for example) is mounted on a chariot with the Mark of Chaos Undivided, does the chariot benefit from the character's Mark, or do I have to pay the points to give the chariot the Mark of Nurgle for it to gain the same benefits? If you want a chariot mount to have the same benefits from a Mark of Chaos that its rider has, you have to pay the points to give the chariot the Mark of Chaos But i don't want chariot to benefit, i already have it on character, so why is it illegal?
@ Like I mentioned in the original post, the entire model (character + chariot) has to have the same mark. The rules for marks specify a model may never have more than 1 mark. If a character & chariot would have a different mark, it would break that rule and allow the entire model to use both (as rules are shared between chariot & character in TOW).
So if Blue Ford's Exiled Baron is in the same unit as the BSB with the Banner of Honourable Warfare, which works against dragons, it can reroll all its rolls To Hit. Then it can use the Lucky Heirlooms to reroll its To Wound rolls if he doesn't get a 6 on the first go. Seems like a neat trick. Its sort of a way to get the best of both Virtue of Knightly Temper and Virtue of Heroism in the same unit.
Hey, thank you for the analysis. I was actually hoping to see the Dark Elf list of Filippo displayed ( eventually found it in a different stream). One note: lifetaker has multiple shots and is not doing multiple wounds. I've tried the same combo at the very launch of TOW, and maybe I was rolling poorly, because the results were not something to talk about.
Filippo here! I wish lifetaker was d3+1 wounds. The build is more as a war machine hunter. In this tournament I only played one opponent with war machines and it did work, in combo with shades shooting. With all the Bretonnia running around however I felt it was a little too situational, so I'll have to think of an alternative
@@filippogesuato8099 thank you for answering and congrats on your LVO result! really happy to see Dark Elves doing well. Never thought of the combo as a war machine hunter, thanks for mentioning it. Will try it in a friendly game soon;)
New FAQ did not apply to this event Ernan's list relied on Daemonoloy flight+arcane urgency to zoom around firing missiles Loads of very tight games near the top, I saw a lot of small wins/losses About half the field were folks new to ToW, which is good for the scene! TO ruled against Blues spiked shield causing killing blow Physical fatigue played a significant role in outcomes- 6 games in a huge event that required miles of walking per day caused some brains to melt by the end -Luna
Viletide range turn 1 can be increased by TMP 12"+ chariot length of 3.9" + spell range 15" to 30.9". Combined with infernal gateway you even go 12" spell+ movement 7" + chariot length 3.9"+ spell range 15" to 37.9"
@@alexbrown279 sure. Just as a reminder that you can easily get turn 1 viletide as you were saying its hard to viletide on a chariot or carpet turn 1 if you start 😊
@ yep - generally I take chariot and Elementalism. Probably still best. I tried Skin of Man. Not bad but was up against lots of shooting so couldn’t be aggressive.
@alexbrown279 Skin of man is good if you know what you go against. But a chariot any day for max wounds. I like to throw power scrolls (2) and talisman of protection in to make sure spells go off at the right time.
@@Asrai1991 Sounds good :). I take Ruby Ring, still, but finding I need it in Dispel range and 15' for Viletide means it's getting dispelled a lot. I like Power Scroll a lot.
Thanks for the review!! Shield definitely works, but yeah the TO ruled against me! Will be going LIVE Thursday to chat about the event
Great tournament analysis ! Thank you for the insight and info. This should help people list building allot. Looking forward to your tights on the FAQ AND strategies with them. Cheers.
Hi Alex, it’s Eric Hung. Thanks for being considerate of my last name - you got it right the first time :)
I basically lost the last game because I forgot the falcon horn exists and my dragon couldn’t make a charge. I was so tired :(. I also failed an impetuous check, but there’s a bigger story behind that on how I misremembered skirmishers that basically caused me to lose combat
You are correct on your guess on Cloak of Beards for the -1 ld on break tests. It had absolutely helped with causing fbigos, though one thing I’ve noticed in all my games (I played against 3 elf players lol) is that I straight up do not charge my DPs until quite late in the game, like turn 4 etc. So, I don’t really get many terror tests with it. When I have two giant buses like that I have to absolutely make sure whatever I’m charging is going to be a win, so it’s a weird situation where I have a lot of pts. Invested in something that wants to charge a lot, but I can’t spam it to its max value in case I roll poorly and I suddenly lose
Great stuff - happy to chat more HE, especially if you feel your lost has a chance vs Bretonnia! Email in bio :)
My DP lost me a tournament because they failed a fear check against a block of phoenix guard of all units. Since then, I play them with lion banner. It is a great unit, but you absolutely must get the charges right. I guess that after a long tournament your brain just wants to charge ahead and forget about it.
Anyway, huge congrats on your result! You made us HEs proud.
Great review of the lists, thanks for doing this!
Such hot takes!
Another good video mate. Results are no surprise
I can understand the idea behind the Ironspike Shield combo, but Virtue of Heroism can't be used with a Magical Weapon so I can see why the TO ruled against using it with a Magical Shield.
Ernan's list is illegal though, his Aspiring Champion is Mark of Nurgle & its mount is Mark of Chaos Undivided. A model cannot have more than 1 Mark & paying for Mark of Nurgle would have bumped his list over the 2K point total.
Great video as always and interesting to see the top lists. Suprised by the expensive Banner of the Lady's Grace, but Luna is more experienced so I bet she has some purpose for it than just safeguarding her Falcon Horn user.
Great insight, thanks.
How it could be illegal? No one reading submissions?
If a character with the Mark of Nurgle (for example) is mounted on a chariot with the Mark of Chaos Undivided, does the chariot benefit from the character's Mark, or do I have to pay the points to give the chariot the Mark of Nurgle for it to gain the same benefits?
If you want a chariot mount to have the same benefits from a Mark of Chaos that its rider has, you have to pay the points to give the chariot the Mark of Chaos
But i don't want chariot to benefit, i already have it on character, so why is it illegal?
@@muchdoge6138 People are only human and can miss mistakes. It's an obscure one too.
@ Like I mentioned in the original post, the entire model (character + chariot) has to have the same mark. The rules for marks specify a model may never have more than 1 mark. If a character & chariot would have a different mark, it would break that rule and allow the entire model to use both (as rules are shared between chariot & character in TOW).
So if Blue Ford's Exiled Baron is in the same unit as the BSB with the Banner of Honourable Warfare, which works against dragons, it can reroll all its rolls To Hit. Then it can use the Lucky Heirlooms to reroll its To Wound rolls if he doesn't get a 6 on the first go. Seems like a neat trick. Its sort of a way to get the best of both Virtue of Knightly Temper and Virtue of Heroism in the same unit.
Great spot!
Exactly ;)
Hey, thank you for the analysis. I was actually hoping to see the Dark Elf list of Filippo displayed ( eventually found it in a different stream). One note: lifetaker has multiple shots and is not doing multiple wounds. I've tried the same combo at the very launch of TOW, and maybe I was rolling poorly, because the results were not something to talk about.
Sorry time was short and limited to 5-1s+.
Filippo here! I wish lifetaker was d3+1 wounds. The build is more as a war machine hunter. In this tournament I only played one opponent with war machines and it did work, in combo with shades shooting. With all the Bretonnia running around however I felt it was a little too situational, so I'll have to think of an alternative
@@filippogesuato8099 congratulations, Filippo. Great result.
@@filippogesuato8099 thank you for answering and congrats on your LVO result! really happy to see Dark Elves doing well. Never thought of the combo as a war machine hunter, thanks for mentioning it. Will try it in a friendly game soon;)
Do you have the link for the dark elf list ? thanks
Blue was using the Ironspike shield with his killing blow/monster slayer. The strength 3 hits it generates can also get 6s and kill folks.
Seriously? Wow. Blue is a genius. All-in!
TO ruled against that item combo, unfortunately
Yep, not all auto hits are attacks
@ i don't think there's any text to suggest it's not an attack.
@@nublord365 It works if the rules are applied abstractedly, but a shield killing a Dragon is jarring.
New FAQ did not apply to this event
Ernan's list relied on Daemonoloy flight+arcane urgency to zoom around firing missiles
Loads of very tight games near the top, I saw a lot of small wins/losses
About half the field were folks new to ToW, which is good for the scene!
TO ruled against Blues spiked shield causing killing blow
Physical fatigue played a significant role in outcomes- 6 games in a huge event that required miles of walking per day caused some brains to melt by the end
-Luna
Thanks for the insider info - sounds like a good story in the miles of walking :)
Kinda wild the High Elves got 2 tops without their journal even being out. Shows they are a top army and will only get better
Star Dragons :) we will have a vid out including Eric Hung’s thoughts soon.
@ what about them?? I’ve one shot them twice 😂
Viletide range turn 1 can be increased by TMP 12"+ chariot length of 3.9" + spell range 15" to 30.9".
Combined with infernal gateway you even go 12" spell+ movement 7" + chariot length 3.9"+ spell range 15" to 37.9"
Got to roll those spells up.
@@alexbrown279 sure. Just as a reminder that you can easily get turn 1 viletide as you were saying its hard to viletide on a chariot or carpet turn 1 if you start 😊
@ yep - generally I take chariot and Elementalism. Probably still best. I tried Skin of Man. Not bad but was up against lots of shooting so couldn’t be aggressive.
@alexbrown279 Skin of man is good if you know what you go against. But a chariot any day for max wounds. I like to throw power scrolls (2) and talisman of protection in to make sure spells go off at the right time.
@@Asrai1991 Sounds good :). I take Ruby Ring, still, but finding I need it in Dispel range and 15' for Viletide means it's getting dispelled a lot. I like Power Scroll a lot.
Thanks. I was expecting better results from TK. And sad showing from dwarves… but it was to be expected 😅
You mentioned Banner of the Honourable Warfare affects dragons. How so? I don’t see the logic behind it. Would like to see what your pov is
@@pkng it has a ‘missile attack’ with its breath attack.
@@2pluspodcast but the banner is "enemy equipped with any missile weapon". It's 2 different meaning
@@pkng it counts as equipped.
@ yep, it’s just our belief of what’s being played. I can see how it’s not and I can see how the RAW crowd would argue it is - so just a possibility.
Could** be what’s being played 🙂
I find it so weird Australia comps its tournaments pretty hard yet we want to go overseas and compete in world competitions
Who wants to go overseas?
Agreed
@@2pluspodcast there’s plans for teams to compete in the WTC…or some other thing idk the name of it
Wolves of the sea anywhere??
Yes, 2 lists out of 10 WoC lists (the most represented army along with Bretonnia)