He literally. LITERALLY. Says that in the video. You should watch before attempting your "gotcha" comment. I wonder why a person would who is an HBCU administrator, former HBCU student, and father of two Black sons would want to speak about this???
This is true, but somehow, some Blacks have confused themselves into thinking they are "whyte-adjacent" - The whyte male in this country can get by without college, without a degree. There are dozens of pre-paved "roads" based on many years of UNEARNED ADVANTAGES that will allow the whyte male to succeed with little effort - Black Men in this country have no such "advantage" and will still need some level of secondary education/training to get a decent, good paying job.
sure it costs, but with the right degree, you'll make more in your lifetime than most of your peers. if you go to college to party and chase skirts, well that's on you.
@@jones2277Cost isn't stopping women, but women are not the the best when it comes to financial decisions. A woman would go into crazy debt just to say she has a degree while a man wouldn't do that. Oh let's not go into the fact how some of these women pay for it Onlyfans/stripping/sugardaddy etc.
Blk MEN GET A TRADE. I did my undergraduate at a HBCU in business then my masters some where else then did another 4 years of trade school to become an electrician. Guess which one pays the best ,more freedoms and has way more opportunities. You guessed it trade. I’m an example of some one that has done it all and can say it would have been better if I just went to trade school. Especially electric , plumbing and hvac . You don’t have debt when your done and you get paid at the same competitive rate as white collar job also can make 6figures if you keep getting your certification and sky is the limit if you start your own company because now days every one is in college and no one knows how to fix any thing any more so trades can charge what they want. Need a new electric panel in your house see how much an electrician charges…a lot.
100% FACTS. I didn't go to an HBCU but I absolutely agree. Got a BA and an MA, but in between i got my aircraft mechanic license at a junior college and it has alway put food on the table. It took me around the world too when I was building communication satellites and taking them to launch bases. Certain sectors like airlines and private jet management pulls in 200k these days which is more than I can make in my white collar job i had on the business side of aviation. In fact I'm going to start my own shop next year and literally sky's the limit. Get the word out brotha!
@@Dariaaaaaaaaaaaa lol no one has ever given BLk men any thing they deserve or not . If we want it we have to go get it ,weather conditions are in our favor or not . That’s just the way it is
Point taken on wages in trade. But you oversimplify the overall value of higher education which plays out in the real world. I see the difference daily in those with well earned college degrees and our approach to the world in this country vs. most who never attended or didn’t finish. It’s night and day. Not everything is a matter of dollars and sense (play on words, intended).
@@ZacoosoloSolo the B stands for BLACK. Again I repeat, “I’M STILL AMAZED AT PEOPLE THINKING ONLY BLACK PEOPLE GO TO HBCU’S”. Now what does you comment have to do with anything?
Men in general are dropping out of the workforce and college. What I find interesting is why all of sudden the interest in men’s absent in the workforce and college?
Unfortunately a lot of people in the black community only support education for black girls. I had a mother tell me that once she found out her twins were boys she immediately said ‘they are going to the military because I cant afford 2 in college at the same time.’ The implication was if they were girls she would’ve made a way. 😢
@@jmjenkins97I think the problem in the black community is single mothers I'm in college and had my dad in my life. I'm going for cyber security I have a year left. Every statistic shows the trauma living with a single mother causes.
@RM-uk4xq The military doesn't prevent you from going to college. In fact, it is encouraged with the incentive of the GI Bill. The issue in the black community is that education is no longer a priority in general. Also, poor education in public schools located in predominantly black neighborhoods is an ongoing issue.
@@JBDaug this is all true but misses my point. If she had twin girls she wouldn’t push the military on them because she was unwilling to pay for college for them, she would’ve supported them instead of saying ‘you’re on your own.’
@RM-uk4xq She couldn't afford to put two children through college at the same time. So that tells me she would have encouraged the military for twin daughters as well. In my experience, black families encourage their children regardless of gender to go to college. Your experience could be different♥️♥️♥️
I wonder if they're going to Trade schools or starting their own businesses? Higher education is such a luxury now and some educational institutions are more of a business than a blessing. I'm not saying that's the case with HBCUs. But it is possibly the reason behind the reduction in men attending higher education institutions.
trade school. used to work for a cc in florida. they are not even enrolling in cc's. mostly trade/vocational school or entrepreneurship. trucking and blue collar jobs/businesses has been big for black men
In my city, if you enroll 11 black boys in kindergarten, only 1 will graduate high school, which says nothing about the quality of the degree or the student. This is a deeper problem that starts early on. So of course trade schools look good and respectable, but you wonder how many of these students even passed 9th grade algebra - the course that determines futures.
@@thespicypimp423 Anyone that goes into a large amount of debt to attend undergrad is simply unaware of the scholarships and grants that are available to them. HBCU or otherwise there is PLENTY of money for anyone that wants a bachelor's degree.
I love this conversation but I don't think you should go to college without an actual plan. I went to PV and definitely understand the value of the HBCU experience but don't just go for the experience. If anything id argue HBCU's should expand their experience by offering trade programs,. Our communities need skills. Yes we need engineers but we also need barbers, auto mechanics, real estate agents, radiologist, EMS, Police etc etc. I cut hair during my time there. If PV offered cosmetology id have a cs degree and a barber license. I know its a college so we don't think about it but we should rethink the landscape of HBCUs since we know the value of the experience. It should be offered to everyone at every level.
engineers are more important that everything else you listed especially barbers. we dont need people to play with hair, its a luxury. We do need engineers to build up caricom and Africa, build our space programs and defense systems.
4:50 going to college doesnt mean you're actually successful financially. Black women attend college at a high rate compared to black men and other groups, but they take out more loans and keep that debt significantly longer than other groups. Despite bm attendimg college in such low numbers, they are still making more money than bw on average.
If I’m not mistaken, the numbers of young men (regardless of race) enrolling in college is down nationwide. I imagine the numbers, like most things, are disproportionately even worse among young black men.
@@Lance_p84This is not about black women. Why are you comparing women to men. This about black men to other groups of men. Compared to other groups of men you are at the bottom totem pole.
Real talk as a black man going to a HBCU is luxury as a black man who wants to be around educated black people. We all would want to have that sitcom "it's a different world" experience, but the black reality is we can't afford it and it's cost effective to just go to a city/state college.
hbcu is cheaper than state wtf are you talking about?! The only issue at hbcu is the fkery and unprofessionalism of the faculty. There should be more grants and scholarships for brothers absolutely. But the classes are not nearly as expensive as a private white school or public one.
@@kreativeforce532 I drew it most of what you say, however, in my state, Florida, our HBCUs are not the cheapest option. It is FAU, FIU, FWU. So, your argument does not apply to every state.
One of the reasons I transferred from the HBCU that I attended is that I felt like I got much more for my money's worth (for less money) at my local community college. Granted, I attended a private institution, but public ones are still not a lot cheaper either. I live in Florida, where the cheapest universities aren't FAMU, FMU, or BCU, if I'm not mistaken (please let me know if I'm wrong). So, appealing to a young black man, like myself, who doesn't come from wealth, proximity to home, affordability and value for money are pretty important factors. Moreover, everything that Hadley talked about, pertaining to why a black man should attend an HBCU in 2024, I genuinely feel like I received that from my community college, and more. I do feel like many colleges/universities are trying to make an effort at having more diversity and inclusion, and it is definitely felt. For instance, my school celebrates black history month (in it's entirety) amongst other cultural heritages that are recognized. Moreover, the head of my school's math department is a black woman (who is amazing and is highly respected), most of the ppl I've met in administration are women (from different cultural backgrounds) and everyone is down to earth, extremely component, professional, and well-organized (not to say that most HBCU staff aren't). In no way, shape, or form have I ever felt discriminated against or treated differently by any student or staff member, at the school/campus that I attend. Even though the majority of the professors I have had are white, they are/were extremely respectful and willing to help their students reach their highest potential, given that one puts in the work. So, in my opinion, I feel like I get more of a bargain by attending my local community college compared to most universities, including HBCUs.
@@mindyabidnesstoo5720 Wow, everything he said, went over your head like a Boeing. Obviously, universities normally cost more than community colleges. However, you should be getting a more enriched college experience as a result. But it sounds like is he was able to get a comparable experience for less money. Not to mention, staff members were professional and organized and competent when it came to their jobs. There’s a lot of problems with HBCUs, administratively speaking, amongst many others issues.
I had the pleasure of working with Mr. Hadley while a law student at Howard. I recently read an article from the Howard newspaper praising the fact that Howard was more than 70% women and less than 30% men (as if that was something to celebrate). I believe we need to make the climate on campus more friendly and welcoming to male students. Create male specific outreach and retention programs and scholarships. Even during my time at the law school, only the men’s restrooms were converted to gender-neutral restrooms, leaving no safe space for men to relieve themselves. The administration and society as a whole needs to realize this is a problem. This leads me to the issue of programs that only work to uplift women in the Black community but leave men to fend for themselves. We ALL (men and women) must speak up and say that’s not right, pointing out the injustice of disregarding the Black male experience. Half of the Black population should not be left out of the conversation when it comes to social uplift. And it starts with our Black boys. We need to be more involved and supportive in their lives so that we don’t continue to see this imbalance. What society wants to see less of is strong, Black families. This is detrimental. Black folks, we must all work to make sure we are equally yoked together. Strength in numbers…
I remember when I went to an HBCU, it felt like every week they brought in a female speaker, who was a survivor of rape, domestic violence, verbal abuse, etc. Without fail, they were always mistreated by a man, most of the times, a black man. If that wasn’t enough, they would bring in some no name, pandering, preacher, who basically would find a way subtlety or outright diss the men in the room, while on the pulpit/podium. Both types of speakers did a great job a painting us like villains. We even had a thread on twitter, accusing different guys, alumni, staff members, and current students, of some type of sexual predatory behavior or acts. Unfortunately, (idk how many but) several people were falsely accused (including my choir’s director and one of the tenors in my section). It didn’t matter, because the damage was already done. So, naturally the women on campus become more tensed around us. How do you think that made us feel? If that wasn’t bad enough, during my last semester, they had a healthy masculinity rally. Unfortunately, they thought it was a good idea to have an almost entirely female panel (and one male pastor (who was a survivor from sexual abuse), bashing us guys, blaming us for the women feeling uncomfortable on campus, encouraging double standards like women should be able to wear what they want without getting looked at like a piece of meat, but it’s our (men’s) fault of a woman looks at us that way. They literally said, if we don’t like it, we can change our clothes. Moreover, they ridiculed us for how we flirt with women, but providing no examples as to the “right way” to do it. They even gaslighted a guy that asked, acting like they didn’t understand his simple question, which was how to approach a woman in a way that she’d feel safe/comfortable and is also effective. The poor guy basically got laughed off for the question. I’m rambling now, but I say all this to black men, asking them, is this the kind of “college experience” you want? For many of us, the answer is a no.
That's crazy, changed a whole bathroom and worse transmuted it to a space where both genders can use, and more women will say that they feel unsafe on campus because a male used the same restroom and keep confusing these young men. But that's the whole point of the agenda, to emasculate and disparage BM. It has always furtively been pushed that BM are not capable of taking care of their families even to the point that BM are not capable of taking care of themselves. Hence why more and more HBCU's continue to push women's agenda so the less educated and less that many of these young men have knowledge of self, who will they cleave too to get their knowledge, a woman. Hence why there's more woman telling men how to be a man.
@@joshuablackburn5770 Wow that's rough. And that's the part that's not brought up when men are falsely accused of SA by a woman, and it's proven to be false, damaged to his reputation and more is done and all that the woman needs to say is "sorry" and it's protected with a pseudo mental health reason why she made the accusation. And to have rallies like the one you mentioned which is paneled by majority women, all that is doing is slowly closing off who men are at the core and then there's the cry WE NEED MEN TO BE MEN. How can that be when men are getting destroyed, for being men. And the question that guy asked was a good question and look at what he received, that's why men stay silent. I'm not gonna get started with the pandering preachers.
@@joshuablackburn5770this is exactly my experience at an hbcu too. Its almost like it has a anti man energy. Like walking on egg shells especially if you are really masculine. There is literally a war on masculinity and it has trickled down to our colleges, churches, jobs, etc.
I am reading a lot of people endorsing trade school, and that is fine. But, it depends on what you want to do. If you want to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer, teacher, surgical nurse, pharmacist, etc., you need to go to college. Don't be so quick to eliminate a college degree as an option.
Agree. That's the caveat! It would've been interesting to see Mr. Hadley's statistics on the majors and degrees of those, both black men and women, who attended and graduated from Howard. It would definitely add more color to the conversation.
Howard is for the black elit stop the cap. It was too expensive and I went to a PWI because they gave me more aid. Although I would’ve loved to attend an hbcu!
Ok...this is a lot of bs. I sorry...I am a black professional man with multiple degrees in higher education. Men in general are not going to college, regardless of race. Those women are getting more degrees, they are disproportionately in areas where there is already a surplus in graduates. Hence why though women outpace men in higher education for the last 50 years, men still out earn women. Yes, black men out earn black women though black women have more degrees. College should be treated as an economic investment....not an overpriced experience that you can have with being a student. Who cares if you have a PhD if you have to now beg the government to force people who never went to college to pay off your loans. Trades pay better and are at a huge deficit...and a lot of men are going there. This shameless plug to get more people in debt is stupid. Yes I have a degree...but I had a plan, earned scholarships and paid off any loans by being frugal. Don't set these kids up for debt slavery
@bnwo this tread is not a black men trend....women have outpaced men in education for over 50 years. Black women have outpaced black men for 50 years....and men on average still earn more, have less debt and more actual wealth. Yes, that includes black men on average earning more than black women, having less debt and more actual wealth. College is not a necessity, it's about adding value to society. Since 2000, there has been a surplus in college graduates, particularly in worthless degrees. This disproportionately impacts black women because black women are the leading graduates in the top 10 lowest paying degrees according to a Georgetown study. So yes black women get more degrees....that don't amount to much economic progress or benefit. Just massive amounts of debt and economic limitations. Finally, if you do believe there is an issue...the focus should be on why college is less attractive to (black) men. Study after study shows that the cost benefit isn't worth it AND there is limited greater incentive to get a degree for many. Unfortunately, these issues won't be addressed because they will lead to the same problem...women go to college for themselves and their careers and men do it for someone else. If men don't have someone to do it for or believe it will result in someone to do it for, they don't participate. No one will address this because to resolve would require us to go backwards on the last 60-80 years of "progress". Finally, is this a problem. We have been saying for decades we need to push girls to be more educated and career driven. The guy literally said the issue isn't that more black men are interested, but that more black women are getting the spot....that was the actual goal. Society got what it asked for...that should be success right. In all, this is a stupid video
@@ke797 so you mean to tell me the men only invest in themselves if they have a woman that’s quite sad but yet you wanna be the leader of something you can’t even leave yourself without the incentive of women I suggest you decenter women and focus on building up yourself and society
@@bnwoThey have to pull us into it because of their lack of economic and world power. Other races of men dominate them significantly which they know, instead they like to focus on dominating the black women to make themselves feel better about their social, political and economic status.
Black men are not being “left out” of the college equation. We are not victims. Black men are choosing not to go. The question is: what are the HBCU offering to the black man that he sees benefit in it? He’s not making a case for that argument, because at the end of the day, black men are MEN FIRST. What are HBCU’s offering to help black men develop into men? If the answer is nothing, then there you have it. Because an effective, non-STEM education can be affordably attained with a $10 library card and a bus pass.
Interesting. I wonder if Mr. Hadley is trying to sell the HBCU experience. The idea of being around other black people who look like them so to speak. And to have access to mentors in the HBCU community who might have had a similar upbringing. And of course, the enjoyment of the HBCU culture..the football games, the cookouts, step shows, etc. Although I'm not sure how popular that aspect is nowadays with this era we're in.
It's been trending that way since the late 90s. Schools like FAMU and Jackson State had female to msle ratios around 30 to 1. I attended a PWI but, most of my family went to an HBCUs. I think more men are looking at college as a liability in general.
For the young Brothas Definitely go to college, major in Tech / Engineering or Medicine or both at the end of the day it’s better to be entrepreneurial to buy your freedom to do what your passionate about if it wasn’t tech & medicine and remember mostly felonies and child support are your biggest hurdles so be mindful of your circle.
We need more black men in TRADES. Lol I’m Gen Z our young men weren’t taught these skills by their fathers and uncles. If you don’t want to pursue college it’s a great option!!
I agree, but I'm not sure if this generation embraces manual labor like our parents and grandparents did. Here in Cali, Latinos do most of those jobs - and often they do them better.
The trades while honorable are a trap. When schools desegregated, what type of education did they allow Blacks to have initially? They restricted blacks to trades/vocational education. The trades also known as fix my car, change out my toilet, and prepare my food. They kept the math and sciences for Whites. That tells you all you need to know. 8 out of 10 people I know in the trades struggle, but everybody wants to make the one or two exceptions doing well to be the norm. The trades are mostly a local/relationship business limiting the ability for growth. Not too mention robotics are on their way. They already have prototypes that can lay sheet-rock and bricks. 3D printed homes also will be a thing in the future. Yes, it is all still 30-40 years away, but it is coming. They also already have self-driving 18-wheelers. Pushing our Black people into the trades is sending them to their doom. Our ancestors did not lay bricks on the these plantation mansions and sacrifice their lives, only for us to be doing the same thing 400 years later. As Malcolm X said, "The future belongs to the educated."
As a black man that is straight this sounds awesome like heaven for us men, I know where im going to college next year lol This conversation worked they got my attention. When I graduate from a HBCU I will say I attended because I heard 80% of the college is women.
Master Electrician and contractor here. Never felt more free and only racked up $5,000 in debt that I paid off a decade ago from the time I did spend in college. I suffer no fool from this messaging about whoa is me. Get to work and master something.
We need black students to get trades & degrees. I hate when people say college a waste of time as if we don’t need doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, accountants, financial advisors, scientists, engineers, etc.
We’re also Americans and we’re going to different schools of our choice. Everybody doesn’t want to be down south. We need to present both nationally and internationally. I’m a proud Alumni of San Francisco State University. Go Gators!!!🐊
I’m going to ask question for those who see no purpose in going to college. How do we get a Black male professionals if they don’t go to college? So where are the black male doctors, lawyers, engineers, accountants, architects, economists, professors going to come from? Black men must be in the room in all classes, all professions and all levels.
What I’ve found is that men like that aren’t going to HBCus. They are quietly doing their thing the way they always have. I’m one and my son will be one as well. I knew from the start my children wouldn’t go to an HBCU. They grew up in a black household, the real world in the USA is only 14% black. They need to learn all the hard and soft skills necessary to compete with everyone.
Agree with that path as well. My biggest concern is there no longer being a Black professional class and Black middle class. Black men must be in ALL SPACES and ALL LEVELS.
@@bladerunner27x I think it is there, it is just not leading the way. The Talented Tenth abdicated their responsibilities a long time ago. There are too many single mother raised boys that don’t have an eye towards a professional setting. Even the ones that go to college are too often enamored with their side hustles to focus on corporate ladder climbing or building corporations themselves. I’ve tried to be a mentor to some and it doesn’t end the way I want it to. The ones that are on the path of being executives don’t need my help because they have fathers that have guided them or have been laser focused from the start. As with every problem in the black community, the answer is … marry before you carry.
@Roccofan DAMN!! I've said the exact same thing. Some months back, I made a comment on another content creator page. About more young Black men becoming "gainfully employed". You would've thought that I had set off a bomb. Then I asked if our next generations are blue-collar, where are the Black male doctors, lawyers, and engineers going to come from? DEAD SILENCE!!
Most blacken rather get a trade or work a blue collar job than go to college. There is nothing wrong with trades but just remember that a lot of these corporate jobs don't hire black men because they are threatening and other various reasons too. Sometimes black men attend college and have a harder time finding jobs than black women because it is set up that way for black women to succeed than black men
Its not worth the price for the “experience” I'm a black male born and raised in nyc. I went to a public 4year college in nyc, got my bachelors in nursing and left with zero debt. I didn't even think about applying to a hbcu
@@FluteCheeriosnon straight black men are not perceived as a threat to or to be competing for white women by white men. It's a power thing and this dynamic has always existed here.
So if BW are "tearing it up" in school, how are they overachieving more in a patriarchal society than BM? He mentions Trump and George Floyd, but there was also Briana Taylor. Those tragedies are not exclusive to BM.
Black men are increasingly choosing trades over traditional college paths. Trades offer more reliable job opportunities compared to what many college degrees have provided. Fields like CDL driving, HVAC, mechanics, electrical work, and general labor have proven to offer greater opportunities and stability. This shift highlights the practicality of pursuing trade careers, as they provide a clear path to employment and success.
No one wants to pay back a loan for the rest of their life, for a job that's not promised, for a field that's being downsized or automated, or for a country that really doesn't notice us our continued sacrifices and struggles
How is it that BW are ripping in up when it's more of an incentive for Women to go to college. BM are really ostracized from American society. From Grade School to College and even the workforce. We are told and showed how much we don't matter. The only scholarship and grant opportunities black men get are from sports specifically basketball and football. We undergo much ridicule for being unemployed in a system that blocks us because we are black and men. Even in the trades, I know because I have a trade. Everyones path is different what might work for one might not for another.
As a "highly educated" black man with a 2 yr old, at this point, I'll encourage him to avoid college. My fancy degree isn't doing 💩 for me at the moment
Thank you. The fact that they ignore this is unbelievable. How many people have fancy degrees, but they're working a job and only require a high school diploma. men are realizing that it's better to go into the trades.
@Chaoskae It depends on what the degree is in. If you get a degree in Basket weaving or women's studies what kind of job are you gonna get from that. We need to encourage brothers to go into the need to stop telling black children that everybody's gotta go to college.
HBCUs might consider increasing their online offerings and non traditional students. Black men may want to go to school later after they've begun working and starting families. The education the HBCUs offer also needs to educate us to solve Black People's problems, for being competitive with other groups in having our own and doing for self, and ultimately for freedom. It can't be the same education except in black.
K-12 public education is failing American children. That ripples out across their lives. Poor education in K-12 lowers aspirations and the ability to get though college, especially for children that do not have any family members that can help them into and through the college experience.
Parents are failing their children across America. I’m 2024 when you have a computer in your pocket that provides endless resources. The family has to first set an educational standard, support and expectation. Everything starts at home. There needs to be a cultural shift in the household first.
@@astar3658 Parents play a vital role but again most parents do not have a college degree, so their ability to help in that area is quite limited. Because the school system is populated primarily by ppl with a college education it is the ideal place for kids to get information about college.
@@jasonwhite6463 I don’t know if that’s true that most parents don’t have college degrees most people are middle class so if they have children one of the parents mostly will have a college degree.
@@oladeebiazazi4538 What is wild to me is that ppl will post something like "I don't know if ***insert random thing*** is true...." while literally holding a device that is more than capable of allowing them to confirm the answer.
Most black men dont want the dept, i couldnt get a full ride so i went to trade school. Im a master electrician i make roughly 90 to 105k a year. No school dept, i live pretty good my wife works part time so im good keep your college dept. Thanks.
Men don't go to these Universities. Get a trade! We need working men! Hookup culture and DEI changed the landscape of the working market. We have 10 million working men who have checked out of work and dating. The experts "bankers" predicted that over 40% women between the age of 20 to 40 will be single and childless by 2030. The reason why is because more women are in the work force than ever. They don't want a "dusty" who has been forgotten. They want someone, either on their pay level or higher. So, men best beat is to get a trade! Things have changed because of society norms. Good luck gentlemen and God speed.
College isn’t the problem, it’s the industries. Corporations and other organizations are gatekeeping, substituting human workers with technology, racism in hiring is still a thing, “ghost job postings”, multiple-round interviews with rejections, etc. The massive layoffs of IT workers by the companies is a glaring problem. Getting a job in this country is extremely difficult. Keeping a job is extremely difficult. Baby boomers appear to be the last generation to have had job opportunities than Gen X and beyond. I’m a Black female Gen Xer with a master’s degree and getting work was a nightmare for me. I ended up finding a State job that right now is stable. So, college is not a scam. It’s a training ground. Industry controls the labor and the economy and deregulation by certain politicians gave those business owners substantial control. Join a union after you become licensed in whatever trade you choose. Good luck to you ❤.
I went to Prarie view A&M for civil engineering. Its been truly rewarding...but my 3 younger brothers went into trades. They saw what i went through and were good. They're Masonry, electrician, and HVAC respectfully. Couple of cousins got edls and others doing detail work and house cleaning. 9-18 month programs winning right now.
Graduated from an HBCU in accounting and my degree has paid for itself many times over. You have to get a proper rate of return for your investment. College years were some of the best years of my life, met my wife there, it was more than worth it. There is no right or wrong answer, it’s what you make of it and what YOU want for your life.
😂 That's not been history in most of our lifetimes. I refused to go because I didn't want to use affirmative action to take the place of my more pale classmates who worked harder.
@@vashmatrix5769 HBCUs wouldn't exist if the Black students hadn't been historically discriminated against. There are Black ppl still alive that were the first to integrate schools. Affirmative action NEVER has been a means to get around hard work. It is a lie to suggest otherwise.
That’s because fathers are redirecting their sons to technical school. Unless you’re going to college for STEM, to become a doctor, lawyer, or accountant then college isn’t worth the price tag. Y’all just going to keep playing stupid like paying $120,000 for a sociology degree only to get a JOB making $50,000 is a flex.
So why are black males' numbers not increases in STEM, doctors, lawyers, and accountants then. Trade school is cool, but you change a community by building hospitals, banks, police stations, and employing engineers to build and design it all.
My son is a black male in STEM at an HBCU from California I helped him secured $318,125 so he will be debt free for 4 years and not have to worry about loans, his only job is to focus on school and he did get his first internship at Turner as a freshman this passed summer his major is Civil Engineering. I have watch him grow and I know he will be successful #singlemother
It could be because men are choosing trade schools .. cost is a big factor. Men need to know how to fix and work on things (as we are expected to build society) I encourage men to attend a college/trade school that has your best interests in being skilled and in demand
As an HBCU graduate this is definitely a reality. I remember in 2007 when I was a freshman on campus at TSU in Nashville there was a 9:1 ratio of women to men on campus. I can just imagine how that gap has grown over time. Great points Calvin.
My mom always told me, "It's not where you go, it's what you do when you get there." Half these HBCUs are either private or out of state. Overpaying for an education isn't wise at all.
Please be careful of the headline. This is isnt a black male thing. Its is GLOBAL. Men in general arent going to colleges. Regardless of what country you choose that 30% rate holds up very well. If you look in some south american countries (like i looked at Colombia) it drops to 20%
5:40 YALL PLEASE DONT LISTEN TO THIS NON SENSE. As a college graduate with an engineering degree the ONLY reason to attend ANY university is for a useful degree that will make you money. I’ve seen too many of my friends not be able to find a job after. You want to learn something? read a book, watch a youtube video etc. College is not about learning or an education, you can’t understand half the things the professors say and half the class just cheats anyway. Do research on the degree you want before you go and remember there’s other less expensive ways to obtain knowledge and be successful. You have the combined knowledge of all of human history at your finger tips.
@ i know for a fact you don’t have data that shows black CE majors (or any CE majors) can’t find jobs. Civil engineering has sustained the highest level of job growth out of all engineering since the pandemic. I’m a black CE major that graduated last year and had a a job lined up a whole year before that. my whole graduating class had no issues finding jobs. CS on the other hand has gotten over saturated and might be harder
@@bibby3027 it's like saying, all physicians get jobs. But turning a blind eye to the opportunity cost, the actual cost, and the lower ROI black American men get vs the hiring preferences given to white and Asian American men. We studied 1000x more, 1000x harder... but won't get 1000x more money than the kid making your burrito at Chipotle... Either way, congratulations on your employment. Happy for you, sincerely.
@@T.H-v4h couldn’t be further from the truth. civil is not over saturated. maybe in a few cities but what makes the field so good is every single city has demand for civil engineers. There’s jobs literally everywhere. not all engineering is tech and computer science.
@@TheIshvalanHero this is soooooo true. The HBCU I attended had that mixed with nepotism. For most things, the school was always slow to get things done. But, if you are a legacy student, the red carpet is practically laid out for you. This is because your parents/grandparents/great-grandparents would be affiliated with someone (related, in-law, friends of, mutual friends of, etc.) that works there. Therefore, they’ll help you out faster, with whatever it is you need help with, faster than a regular student, like myself, who doesn’t have such connections. It was so annoying, even for basic stuff like WiFi or A/C in my dorm room, I had to constantly be on top of grown adults who are supposed to do their job. Whereas, the legacy kids, not saying they had the same issues as me, but I noticed they seemed to have their problems solved faster. So, when I transferred to a PWI and was treated fairly, it was so refreshing. It’s sad I have to rejoice about getting treatment I’m entitled to, considering I’m paying to attend their school.
@@clarencejones4717 My son went to my husband's and my alma mater, our daughter a PWI. We started college funds for them before they were walking but they both received scholarships. It was mandatory that they get a Bachelor's and it could have been from a local college if financial the right choice. That degree is an entry ticket AND for us, a four generation family tradition. They have been given a gift. They must do with it what they will. I hope that you aren't incurring debt and if so, not too much.
@ Thats awesome to hear! Beautiful how you set your kids up for success! I’m a first generation student and will be the first person in my family to earn a degree when I finish. It is mandatory indeed. Wishing you all continued success!
@@clarencejones4717 I love to hear stories like yours! I recognize my privilege and made my kids recognize theirs!!! College is more than a job training program. HBCU's are think tanks and where networks are built. My grandfather attended Lincoln University with Kwame Nkrumah, who later became the first President of Ghana. My mother later went to teach in Ghana, possible because of relationships that were established a generation before. YOU are the person who will begin to build a multigenerational educational and economic network for your family. Be proud to be the the first but don't be the last! Peace and Blessings.
I’m a black senior and am not going to an hbcu 🤷🏾♂️ and will most likely attend a pwi for computer science although if I got the opportunity to attend Famu I would consider it heavily.
Im an black male, Sergeant First Class in the United States Army. Brother join the military marry a non black woman and have some peace and quiet. I retire in 6 years, I'm leaving America and never looking back.
I was the oldest son of a single mother led home. The pressure on me in high school was to help out finanically. I was a top notch student through elementary and middle schools. Once I got old enough to get a job that pressure to contribute financially started. And I put school on the backburner. And this despite being in a college prep program in high school. It negatively affecting me in high school. It took years for me to make up the ground I lost. Young Black men are saddled with a lot of baggage that begins in earnest in their teen years. Leaving home to attend college simply is not a option for a lot of young brothers. And with so many college degree holders struggling finanically the incentive is just not there. If a young man wants a professional degree (ie: Medical Doctor, Lawyer, Engineer) then yes go to college. Even then there are ways to do it that limit the debt. Any other degree can be had by attending a community college and a "cheaper" state school. Going away to a private HBCU is just not a good decision for some guys.
And Deion Sanders did a lot to show black men about HBCUs. HBCUs have to do more to market to black males. Most high school college counselors don't talk about HBCUs.
Everybody saw the BS that Deion Sanders was dealing with at Jackson State. Even he left, for a PWI (Colorado). Same rule of thumb goes for Ed Reed. He had a way better experience when he was a coach at University of Miami compared to Bethune Cookman.
As a gay black man and recent graduate, I chose a PWI for my undergrad/grad because I attended a live-in science camp at an HBCU, and it was the most homophobic experience I’ve ever endured. It got to the point where the staff was sabotaging my projects. It completely ruined my outlook on HBCUs and robotics.
There are too many considerations to cite as to why men aren't attending college. Among them, black men make up a larger share of the athletics population (16 percent) than we do the undergraduate student body (5 percent). The pathway to professional sports is much wider at large state institutions (PWI) than AN HBCU. If my son is talented enough to play at UGA, I wouldn't send him to Howard. I don't care what color the students are. Whatever median is best for our goals is where we are going. If it’s Howard, great. If it’s UGA, great.
It’s college in general. Majority men go straight into workforce or trade jobs instead of secondary education. A lot business with well paid job have been looking to hire experience workers at least over the last 10 years. Starting your own business doesn’t take a college degree either.
A few years ago Bethune Cookman University (formerly BCC) started giving men's baseball scholarships to white students. It was eye opening to see, but what do black men think will happen if they don't attend?
its deeper than that. we see the scam with hbcu's where were just being indoctrinated to get a degree to work for white daddy. To think, the amount of hbcu grads and you cant speak of no hospitals, car manufactures, school systems, banks have been funded and ran by hbcu grads. we also now know that hbcu's have always been funded by white men specifically jews. and the cost of these hbcu's are outrageous with bad customer service on top of that. the gig is up.
Hbcu’s have always given scholarships to white and non black students. It’s not only black people that go there. I went to Florida A&M which is an hbcu and most of the women’s basketball and volleyball teams were white girls. Its a HISTORICALLY black college meaning yes it was founded (mainly by whites) for black students but they’re regular schools just like anywhere else
Stillman College in Tuscaloosa did the same as well a whole documentary with Chris Rock was done plus they ended there football program in 2015-16 I have rarely heard of a PWI ending there football program
@@mslessgo930 why would a college not give athletic scholarships to a student athlete? I went to florida a&m and the majority of women’s volleyball team were white Europeans
I went to Morehouse. I loved my HBCU experience. Given the current climate and the amount of money, time and resources allocated to empowering young Black Women/Girl Power - this is the end result. I speak as a father to two girls, and I've seen my 4 nephews pay the price.
When I was a teacher, I noticed a lot of students (mostly black male students) opting out of both college and trade school. They were doing content creation throughout their high school years and just continued doing that after graduation. They are doing well for themselves and have more freedom than any of their peers who went to college or got trades.
@@jmjenkins97☝🏾yes as a African/Black RUclipsr I am dissapointed with the representation and the mockery of our own people by our own people and others 😢😒. Especially the streamers!!
I graduated from an HBCU almost a decade ago. Even then there were classes I was in where you could count on one hand how many guys were present. Now, I would encourage young men to either go into the military and then do college if they really want (and take advantage of tuition assistance and/or GI bill), or learn a trade. You don’t need a degree to get into IT or even be good at using computers, be an electrician, plumber, contractor, etc, and they make good money. Unless you’re pursuing a professional degree, don’t do it. The opportunity cost is too great, and there’s too much propagandizing instead of teaching people how to think critically l.
If BM are barely graduating from high school the I can understand why rates would be down across the board. If/when they are in college it's probably for sports, and a result of that would also increase the reduced graduation rate. Most BM college athletes do not obtain a college degree.
I tried to go to an HBCU, I didn’t get accepted the admissions offices kept “losing my paperwork”. Then I was offered numerous athletic and academic scholarships from prominent division 1 PWIs
Trying to imagine dinner conversations between Alice the architect, and Joe the plumber. The current state of affairs threatens the future of the black family in ways we couldn't have predicted 30 years ago.
I went to an HBCU 25 years ago. There were like 20 women to 1 man, back then. Howard, Morehouse, Xavier ect get the enrollment but the ones like Bethune Cookman lack the enrollment.
This is an issue few people are talking about the men that actually chose to go to college. Many black men after being raised in predominately black environments want to go to white institutions so they can have more access to women of different races. They want to INTERACCIALLY DATE. Also they no longer want to feel ISOLATED in black areas. LASTLY FINANCIALLY ITS CHEAPER TO GO TO SCHOOLS IN YOUR OWN STATE. Many men in Midwest can go to STATE SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITY COLLEGES FOR FREE.
As a college graduate, a PWI nor an HBCU is worth having such a horrible income to debt ratio. After 14 years plus removed from graduation, my income finally exceeds my debt. College did not teach me how to count real income. After taxes, expenditures, and debt, those are your real numbers. The real crisis is not college enrollment, as there's no strong correlation between degrees and one being a suitable husband and wife. The real degree is the enterprise of family. A more educated Black woman is appearing to have an inverse effect on family because college does not prepare for family. It prepares to be an employee. Realizations and epiphanies about time regarding family typically occur late and feel like business as usual. No one wants to marry and make babies with a corporate andriod. The best academic institution is still family. A committed husband and wife outweighs college any day.
@@mrdanielleebrown this is it. College alone has destroyed the black American family. Spending our most fertile years drinking and exploring promiscuity, and sitting in libraries unpaid. These hobbies are crushing our strongest young people
@@economicdevelopmentplannin8715 College did not destroy the Black family. Feminism and US government policy (crack, welfare) in the 1970s and 80s did.
Attorney here. Graduated from Lincoln (MO) 2017. My HBCU was very affordable. We paid $1500 a semester for an unlimited meal plan. I miss those days. I wish I would have did all 5 years there. Nevertheless, I would not be where I am today if I had not transferred to Lincoln. There is nothing wrong with going to college. First you need to know what career/job you want. Secondly, does that career/job require college? If so, go to college! If not, don’t go to college. If you don’t know what you want to do, then go to community college to buy yourself some time or get a job. If you don’t like school you can get a trade or certification. There literally is something for everyone. But, many students are uninformed & lack guidance!
Uh Maybe, to become a plumber, electrician, truck driver, grass cutter, construction worker, police officer, delivery driver, mail man, barber…….army lol
One the public school system is failing our youth nation wide. Also the devaluing of our sons is effecting their beliefs to achieve more. Women have been in leadership and the families haven’t grown. It’s time to go back to male leadership in the community. Also HBCUs are behind in facilities, diversities of thought, NIL, trade school promotion. These men need resources now. We need school choice in some areas and more accountability, not handouts.
Where they find this Oreo from talking about “I attended a PWI but I have so many black friends and family members“👉🏾 and it makes the Oreo feel good to say it also
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Men IN GENERAL are going to college less.
Exactly
Is it at a disproportionate rate? Bc if so, then there is merit to the claim.
He literally. LITERALLY. Says that in the video. You should watch before attempting your "gotcha" comment.
I wonder why a person would who is an HBCU administrator, former HBCU student, and father of two Black sons would want to speak about this???
@@JGtho 1. Fucc you.
2. I wasn’t attempting a gotcha.
3. I stopped watching.
This is true, but somehow, some Blacks have confused themselves into thinking they are "whyte-adjacent" - The whyte male in this country can get by without college, without a degree.
There are dozens of pre-paved "roads" based on many years of UNEARNED ADVANTAGES that will allow the whyte male to succeed with little effort - Black Men in this country have no such "advantage" and will still need some level of secondary education/training to get a decent, good paying job.
Not sure why they didn't discuss the cost
It wouldn't fit well in the convo - too much common sense
Narrative construction
Because cost isn’t stopping women
sure it costs, but with the right degree, you'll make more in your lifetime than most of your peers. if you go to college to party and chase skirts, well that's on you.
@@jones2277Cost isn't stopping women, but women are not the the best when it comes to financial decisions. A woman would go into crazy debt just to say she has a degree while a man wouldn't do that. Oh let's not go into the fact how some of these women pay for it Onlyfans/stripping/sugardaddy etc.
Blk MEN GET A TRADE. I did my undergraduate at a HBCU in business then my masters some where else then did another 4 years of trade school to become an electrician. Guess which one pays the best ,more freedoms and has way more opportunities. You guessed it trade. I’m an example of some one that has done it all and can say it would have been better if I just went to trade school. Especially electric , plumbing and hvac . You don’t have debt when your done and you get paid at the same competitive rate as white collar job also can make 6figures if you keep getting your certification and sky is the limit if you start your own company because now days every one is in college and no one knows how to fix any thing any more so trades can charge what they want. Need a new electric panel in your house see how much an electrician charges…a lot.
100% FACTS. I didn't go to an HBCU but I absolutely agree. Got a BA and an MA, but in between i got my aircraft mechanic license at a junior college and it has alway put food on the table. It took me around the world too when I was building communication satellites and taking them to launch bases. Certain sectors like airlines and private jet management pulls in 200k these days which is more than I can make in my white collar job i had on the business side of aviation. In fact I'm going to start my own shop next year and literally sky's the limit. Get the word out brotha!
I agree if it makes sense but Black men also deserve space in Education.
@@Dariaaaaaaaaaaaa lol no one has ever given BLk men any thing they deserve or not . If we want it we have to go get it ,weather conditions are in our favor or not . That’s just the way it is
Point taken on wages in trade. But you oversimplify the overall value of higher education which plays out in the real world. I see the difference daily in those with well earned college degrees and our approach to the world in this country vs. most who never attended or didn’t finish. It’s night and day. Not everything is a matter of dollars and sense (play on words, intended).
@@seensay2132 what exactly is the higher education?
I’m reading some of the comments and still amazed at people thinking that only black people go to HBCU’s lol
What does the B stand for? It’s a problem if they aren’t in WPI or HBCUs
It's a good laugh. Lots of Indian women attend them.
This video is about black men, like the guest being interviewed
@@ZacoosoloSolo the B stands for BLACK. Again I repeat, “I’M STILL AMAZED AT PEOPLE THINKING ONLY BLACK PEOPLE GO TO HBCU’S”. Now what does you comment have to do with anything?
@@economicdevelopmentplannin8715 yes, yes it does. Now what does that have to do with my comment?
Men in general are dropping out of the workforce and college. What I find interesting is why all of sudden the interest in men’s absent in the workforce and college?
FACTS!
These issues affect Black men even more.
@ yes to a degree but again why the concern now when bm has always been socially and economically at the bottom
cause the base the society has taken for granted is gonna get toppled
No more silent pawns to be abused and ridiculed
Unfortunately a lot of people in the black community only support education for black girls. I had a mother tell me that once she found out her twins were boys she immediately said ‘they are going to the military because I cant afford 2 in college at the same time.’ The implication was if they were girls she would’ve made a way. 😢
Sir BM don’t value education and clown BM seeking education… calling them lame
@@jmjenkins97I think the problem in the black community is single mothers I'm in college and had my dad in my life. I'm going for cyber security I have a year left. Every statistic shows the trauma living with a single mother causes.
@RM-uk4xq The military doesn't prevent you from going to college. In fact, it is encouraged with the incentive of the GI Bill. The issue in the black community is that education is no longer a priority in general. Also, poor education in public schools located in predominantly black neighborhoods is an ongoing issue.
@@JBDaug this is all true but misses my point. If she had twin girls she wouldn’t push the military on them because she was unwilling to pay for college for them, she would’ve supported them instead of saying ‘you’re on your own.’
@RM-uk4xq She couldn't afford to put two children through college at the same time. So that tells me she would have encouraged the military for twin daughters as well. In my experience, black families encourage their children regardless of gender to go to college. Your experience could be different♥️♥️♥️
I wonder if they're going to Trade schools or starting their own businesses? Higher education is such a luxury now and some educational institutions are more of a business than a blessing. I'm not saying that's the case with HBCUs. But it is possibly the reason behind the reduction in men attending higher education institutions.
Totally concur! The commodification of higher education at play big time!
trade school. used to work for a cc in florida. they are not even enrolling in cc's. mostly trade/vocational school or entrepreneurship. trucking and blue collar jobs/businesses has been big for black men
No. They aren’t enrolling in the trades either. Nope. Not at all, not in any significant numbers worth mentioning.
They’re not; however, women are
In my city, if you enroll 11 black boys in kindergarten, only 1 will graduate high school, which says nothing about the quality of the degree or the student. This is a deeper problem that starts early on. So of course trade schools look good and respectable, but you wonder how many of these students even passed 9th grade algebra - the course that determines futures.
They don't see the purpose, only the debt.
Don’t get a useless degree and you’ll do fine.
@Corgiking521 With so many advancements in technology, most degrees will be useless. I see why more people are attending trade schools.
@@B0ogIE2005 It's a scam.
@@thespicypimp423 Anyone that goes into a large amount of debt to attend undergrad is simply unaware of the scholarships and grants that are available to them. HBCU or otherwise there is PLENTY of money for anyone that wants a bachelor's degree.
@@jasonwhite6463 So why are so many young people saddled with so much student debt? I guess they're not as smart, huh?
I love this conversation but I don't think you should go to college without an actual plan. I went to PV and definitely understand the value of the HBCU experience but don't just go for the experience. If anything id argue HBCU's should expand their experience by offering trade programs,. Our communities need skills. Yes we need engineers but we also need barbers, auto mechanics, real estate agents, radiologist, EMS, Police etc etc. I cut hair during my time there. If PV offered cosmetology id have a cs degree and a barber license. I know its a college so we don't think about it but we should rethink the landscape of HBCUs since we know the value of the experience. It should be offered to everyone at every level.
engineers are more important that everything else you listed especially barbers. we dont need people to play with hair, its a luxury. We do need engineers to build up caricom and Africa, build our space programs and defense systems.
@ yea what I’m speaking to is skills that balance a society… never said you didn’t need engineers…we need skills in every industry.
@@kreativeforce532engineers don’t exist without tradesmen so they’re definitely not more important than them 😂
4:50 going to college doesnt mean you're actually successful financially. Black women attend college at a high rate compared to black men and other groups, but they take out more loans and keep that debt significantly longer than other groups. Despite bm attendimg college in such low numbers, they are still making more money than bw on average.
Thank you for saying this.
Yea that’s true, people think black women are making more money but that’s not the case at all.
Sure if you add the skew from the NBA and NFL.
@@oladeebiazazi4538 True. The issue is many black woman are majoring in careers that do not pay that well. STEM is where it is at or medical fields.
Don’t men of all groups make more than women? Why would you as a man compare what you make to a woman? That’s weird.
If I’m not mistaken, the numbers of young men (regardless of race) enrolling in college is down nationwide. I imagine the numbers, like most things, are disproportionately even worse among young black men.
There is only a 6 point difference btw the graduation rate btw BM and BW 😂
What wasn't said is that Latino man actually have the worst educational attainment statistically
@@Lance_p84This is not about black women. Why are you comparing women to men. This about black men to other groups of men. Compared to other groups of men you are at the bottom totem pole.
@@forwomenorgfound the bed 🔧
@@forwomenorgbw are too fooI, we are both under the same oppressive system
Real talk as a black man going to a HBCU is luxury as a black man who wants to be around educated black people. We all would want to have that sitcom "it's a different world" experience, but the black reality is we can't afford it and it's cost effective to just go to a city/state college.
hbcu is cheaper than state wtf are you talking about?! The only issue at hbcu is the fkery and unprofessionalism of the faculty. There should be more grants and scholarships for brothers absolutely. But the classes are not nearly as expensive as a private white school or public one.
@kreativeforce532 State i mean city colleges of that state. Local.
@@kreativeforce532 I drew it most of what you say, however, in my state, Florida, our HBCUs are not the cheapest option. It is FAU, FIU, FWU. So, your argument does not apply to every state.
No. It can be afforded. It’s just not worth it. Just a bunch of debt. Black men are after money now and trades. Not useless degrees
One of the reasons I transferred from the HBCU that I attended is that I felt like I got much more for my money's worth (for less money) at my local community college. Granted, I attended a private institution, but public ones are still not a lot cheaper either. I live in Florida, where the cheapest universities aren't FAMU, FMU, or BCU, if I'm not mistaken (please let me know if I'm wrong). So, appealing to a young black man, like myself, who doesn't come from wealth, proximity to home, affordability and value for money are pretty important factors. Moreover, everything that Hadley talked about, pertaining to why a black man should attend an HBCU in 2024, I genuinely feel like I received that from my community college, and more. I do feel like many colleges/universities are trying to make an effort at having more diversity and inclusion, and it is definitely felt. For instance, my school celebrates black history month (in it's entirety) amongst other cultural heritages that are recognized. Moreover, the head of my school's math department is a black woman (who is amazing and is highly respected), most of the ppl I've met in administration are women (from different cultural backgrounds) and everyone is down to earth, extremely component, professional, and well-organized (not to say that most HBCU staff aren't). In no way, shape, or form have I ever felt discriminated against or treated differently by any student or staff member, at the school/campus that I attend. Even though the majority of the professors I have had are white, they are/were extremely respectful and willing to help their students reach their highest potential, given that one puts in the work. So, in my opinion, I feel like I get more of a bargain by attending my local community college compared to most universities, including HBCUs.
You compared a community college to a 4 year institution. Cut it out
@@mindyabidnesstoo5720 Wow, everything he said, went over your head like a Boeing. Obviously, universities normally cost more than community colleges. However, you should be getting a more enriched college experience as a result. But it sounds like is he was able to get a comparable experience for less money. Not to mention, staff members were professional and organized and competent when it came to their jobs. There’s a lot of problems with HBCUs, administratively speaking, amongst many others issues.
I had the pleasure of working with Mr. Hadley while a law student at Howard. I recently read an article from the Howard newspaper praising the fact that Howard was more than 70% women and less than 30% men (as if that was something to celebrate). I believe we need to make the climate on campus more friendly and welcoming to male students. Create male specific outreach and retention programs and scholarships. Even during my time at the law school, only the men’s restrooms were converted to gender-neutral restrooms, leaving no safe space for men to relieve themselves. The administration and society as a whole needs to realize this is a problem. This leads me to the issue of programs that only work to uplift women in the Black community but leave men to fend for themselves. We ALL (men and women) must speak up and say that’s not right, pointing out the injustice of disregarding the Black male experience. Half of the Black population should not be left out of the conversation when it comes to social uplift. And it starts with our Black boys. We need to be more involved and supportive in their lives so that we don’t continue to see this imbalance. What society wants to see less of is strong, Black families. This is detrimental. Black folks, we must all work to make sure we are equally yoked together. Strength in numbers…
That's messed up about the bathrooms. HBCU's are becoming women's colleges.
I remember when I went to an HBCU, it felt like every week they brought in a female speaker, who was a survivor of rape, domestic violence, verbal abuse, etc. Without fail, they were always mistreated by a man, most of the times, a black man.
If that wasn’t enough, they would bring in some no name, pandering, preacher, who basically would find a way subtlety or outright diss the men in the room, while on the pulpit/podium. Both types of speakers did a great job a painting us like villains.
We even had a thread on twitter, accusing different guys, alumni, staff members, and current students, of some type of sexual predatory behavior or acts. Unfortunately, (idk how many but) several people were falsely accused (including my choir’s director and one of the tenors in my section). It didn’t matter, because the damage was already done.
So, naturally the women on campus become more tensed around us. How do you think that made us feel?
If that wasn’t bad enough, during my last semester, they had a healthy masculinity rally. Unfortunately, they thought it was a good idea to have an almost entirely female panel (and one male pastor (who was a survivor from sexual abuse), bashing us guys, blaming us for the women feeling uncomfortable on campus, encouraging double standards like women should be able to wear what they want without getting looked at like a piece of meat, but it’s our (men’s) fault of a woman looks at us that way. They literally said, if we don’t like it, we can change our clothes. Moreover, they ridiculed us for how we flirt with women, but providing no examples as to the “right way” to do it. They even gaslighted a guy that asked, acting like they didn’t understand his simple question, which was how to approach a woman in a way that she’d feel safe/comfortable and is also effective. The poor guy basically got laughed off for the question.
I’m rambling now, but I say all this to black men, asking them, is this the kind of “college experience” you want? For many of us, the answer is a no.
That's crazy, changed a whole bathroom and worse transmuted it to a space where both genders can use, and more women will say that they feel unsafe on campus because a male used the same restroom and keep confusing these young men. But that's the whole point of the agenda, to emasculate and disparage BM. It has always furtively been pushed that BM are not capable of taking care of their families even to the point that BM are not capable of taking care of themselves. Hence why more and more HBCU's continue to push women's agenda so the less educated and less that many of these young men have knowledge of self, who will they cleave too to get their knowledge, a woman. Hence why there's more woman telling men how to be a man.
@@joshuablackburn5770 Wow that's rough. And that's the part that's not brought up when men are falsely accused of SA by a woman, and it's proven to be false, damaged to his reputation and more is done and all that the woman needs to say is "sorry" and it's protected with a pseudo mental health reason why she made the accusation. And to have rallies like the one you mentioned which is paneled by majority women, all that is doing is slowly closing off who men are at the core and then there's the cry WE NEED MEN TO BE MEN. How can that be when men are getting destroyed, for being men. And the question that guy asked was a good question and look at what he received, that's why men stay silent. I'm not gonna get started with the pandering preachers.
@@joshuablackburn5770this is exactly my experience at an hbcu too. Its almost like it has a anti man energy. Like walking on egg shells especially if you are really masculine. There is literally a war on masculinity and it has trickled down to our colleges, churches, jobs, etc.
I am reading a lot of people endorsing trade school, and that is fine. But, it depends on what you want to do. If you want to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer, teacher, surgical nurse, pharmacist, etc., you need to go to college. Don't be so quick to eliminate a college degree as an option.
Agree. That's the caveat! It would've been interesting to see Mr. Hadley's statistics on the majors and degrees of those, both black men and women, who attended and graduated from Howard. It would definitely add more color to the conversation.
We definitely need them to be that.
I just made a similar comment. We need both!
Howard is for the black elit stop the cap. It was too expensive and I went to a PWI because they gave me more aid. Although I would’ve loved to attend an hbcu!
Ok...this is a lot of bs. I sorry...I am a black professional man with multiple degrees in higher education. Men in general are not going to college, regardless of race. Those women are getting more degrees, they are disproportionately in areas where there is already a surplus in graduates. Hence why though women outpace men in higher education for the last 50 years, men still out earn women. Yes, black men out earn black women though black women have more degrees. College should be treated as an economic investment....not an overpriced experience that you can have with being a student. Who cares if you have a PhD if you have to now beg the government to force people who never went to college to pay off your loans. Trades pay better and are at a huge deficit...and a lot of men are going there. This shameless plug to get more people in debt is stupid. Yes I have a degree...but I had a plan, earned scholarships and paid off any loans by being frugal. Don't set these kids up for debt slavery
This is not about men in general. This is about black men.
@bnwo this tread is not a black men trend....women have outpaced men in education for over 50 years. Black women have outpaced black men for 50 years....and men on average still earn more, have less debt and more actual wealth. Yes, that includes black men on average earning more than black women, having less debt and more actual wealth. College is not a necessity, it's about adding value to society. Since 2000, there has been a surplus in college graduates, particularly in worthless degrees. This disproportionately impacts black women because black women are the leading graduates in the top 10 lowest paying degrees according to a Georgetown study. So yes black women get more degrees....that don't amount to much economic progress or benefit. Just massive amounts of debt and economic limitations. Finally, if you do believe there is an issue...the focus should be on why college is less attractive to (black) men. Study after study shows that the cost benefit isn't worth it AND there is limited greater incentive to get a degree for many. Unfortunately, these issues won't be addressed because they will lead to the same problem...women go to college for themselves and their careers and men do it for someone else. If men don't have someone to do it for or believe it will result in someone to do it for, they don't participate. No one will address this because to resolve would require us to go backwards on the last 60-80 years of "progress". Finally, is this a problem. We have been saying for decades we need to push girls to be more educated and career driven. The guy literally said the issue isn't that more black men are interested, but that more black women are getting the spot....that was the actual goal. Society got what it asked for...that should be success right. In all, this is a stupid video
@@ke797 so you mean to tell me the men only invest in themselves if they have a woman that’s quite sad but yet you wanna be the leader of something you can’t even leave yourself without the incentive of women I suggest you decenter women and focus on building up yourself and society
@@jmjenkins97 his point went way over your head
@@bnwoThey have to pull us into it because of their lack of economic and world power. Other races of men dominate them significantly which they know, instead they like to focus on dominating the black women to make themselves feel better about their social, political and economic status.
Black men are not being “left out” of the college equation. We are not victims. Black men are choosing not to go. The question is: what are the HBCU offering to the black man that he sees benefit in it? He’s not making a case for that argument, because at the end of the day, black men are MEN FIRST.
What are HBCU’s offering to help black men develop into men? If the answer is nothing, then there you have it. Because an effective, non-STEM education can be affordably attained with a $10 library card and a bus pass.
Interesting. I wonder if Mr. Hadley is trying to sell the HBCU experience. The idea of being around other black people who look like them so to speak. And to have access to mentors in the HBCU community who might have had a similar upbringing. And of course, the enjoyment of the HBCU culture..the football games, the cookouts, step shows, etc. Although I'm not sure how popular that aspect is nowadays with this era we're in.
PWIs are better I went to both I felt more welcomed.
Test scores are awful due to lack of parental investment, if you read at a 4th grade level how are you going to...never mind
@@McOofythe man who fails to make himself competitive is meant to be the disposable sparring partner for the ones who do.
Men first lmao no
It's been trending that way since the late 90s. Schools like FAMU and Jackson State had female to msle ratios around 30 to 1. I attended a PWI but, most of my family went to an HBCUs. I think more men are looking at college as a liability in general.
For the young Brothas Definitely go to college, major in Tech / Engineering or Medicine or both at the end of the day it’s better to be entrepreneurial to buy your freedom to do what your passionate about if it wasn’t tech & medicine and remember mostly felonies and child support are your biggest hurdles so be mindful of your circle.
Why would I pay all that money for Howard? Their financial aid packages are laughable. I paid way less going to a PWI
You get access to higher quality women. That's what you get for the money 💰
@@economicdevelopmentplannin8715 you mean dishonest street walkers masquerading as professional women
We need more black men in TRADES. Lol I’m Gen Z our young men weren’t taught these skills by their fathers and uncles. If you don’t want to pursue college it’s a great option!!
I agree, but I'm not sure if this generation embraces manual labor like our parents and grandparents did. Here in Cali, Latinos do most of those jobs - and often they do them better.
@@diaprojectdiss2142I surely don't embrace manual labor, not trying to work hard for my money.
The trades while honorable are a trap. When schools desegregated, what type of education did they allow Blacks to have initially? They restricted blacks to trades/vocational education. The trades also known as fix my car, change out my toilet, and prepare my food. They kept the math and sciences for Whites. That tells you all you need to know. 8 out of 10 people I know in the trades struggle, but everybody wants to make the one or two exceptions doing well to be the norm. The trades are mostly a local/relationship business limiting the ability for growth. Not too mention robotics are on their way. They already have prototypes that can lay sheet-rock and bricks. 3D printed homes also will be a thing in the future. Yes, it is all still 30-40 years away, but it is coming. They also already have self-driving 18-wheelers. Pushing our Black people into the trades is sending them to their doom. Our ancestors did not lay bricks on the these plantation mansions and sacrifice their lives, only for us to be doing the same thing 400 years later. As Malcolm X said, "The future belongs to the educated."
No we don't we need black men in higher positions, not an army of plumbers
North Carolina A&T
THANK GOD! The brothas finally have seen the light!
As a black man that is straight this sounds awesome like heaven for us men, I know where im going to college next year lol This conversation worked they got my attention. When I graduate from a HBCU I will say I attended because I heard 80% of the college is women.
I rather be around more men tbh I don't want to attend a college with a bunch of lesbians.
Many of us straight BM are not really interested in competing for many modern BW, so shoot all the shots for us.
Master Electrician and contractor here.
Never felt more free and only racked up $5,000 in debt that I paid off a decade ago from the time I did spend in college.
I suffer no fool from this messaging about whoa is me. Get to work and master something.
Agreed. Got my aircraft mechanics license and I have to turn away business, more than I can handle.
Woe is me*
We need black students to get trades & degrees. I hate when people say college a waste of time as if we don’t need doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, accountants, financial advisors, scientists, engineers, etc.
We’re also Americans and we’re going to different schools of our choice. Everybody doesn’t want to be down south. We need to present both nationally and internationally. I’m a proud Alumni of San Francisco State University. Go Gators!!!🐊
I’m going to ask question for those who see no purpose in going to college. How do we get a Black male professionals if they don’t go to college? So where are the black male doctors, lawyers, engineers, accountants, architects, economists, professors going to come from? Black men must be in the room in all classes, all professions and all levels.
What I’ve found is that men like that aren’t going to HBCus. They are quietly doing their thing the way they always have. I’m one and my son will be one as well. I knew from the start my children wouldn’t go to an HBCU. They grew up in a black household, the real world in the USA is only 14% black. They need to learn all the hard and soft skills necessary to compete with everyone.
Agree with that path as well. My biggest concern is there no longer being a Black professional class and Black middle class. Black men must be in ALL SPACES and ALL LEVELS.
@@bladerunner27x I think it is there, it is just not leading the way. The Talented Tenth abdicated their responsibilities a long time ago. There are too many single mother raised boys that don’t have an eye towards a professional setting. Even the ones that go to college are too often enamored with their side hustles to focus on corporate ladder climbing or building corporations themselves. I’ve tried to be a mentor to some and it doesn’t end the way I want it to. The ones that are on the path of being executives don’t need my help because they have fathers that have guided them or have been laser focused from the start. As with every problem in the black community, the answer is … marry before you carry.
@Roccofan DAMN!! I've said the exact same thing. Some months back, I made a comment on another content creator page. About more young Black men becoming "gainfully employed". You would've thought that I had set off a bomb. Then I asked if our next generations are blue-collar, where are the Black male doctors, lawyers, and engineers going to come from? DEAD SILENCE!!
Most blacken rather get a trade or work a blue collar job than go to college. There is nothing wrong with trades but just remember that a lot of these corporate jobs don't hire black men because they are threatening and other various reasons too. Sometimes black men attend college and have a harder time finding jobs than black women because it is set up that way for black women to succeed than black men
Its not worth the price for the “experience” I'm a black male born and raised in nyc. I went to a public 4year college in nyc, got my bachelors in nursing and left with zero debt. I didn't even think about applying to a hbcu
My brother recently got his bachelor's degree from an HBCU, with the help of the GI BILL.
Lets add in the fact that Corporate America doesn't hire straight black men in huge numbers.
Exactly
I'm sorry, but how does sexual orientation factor into this?
Say it louder.
@@FluteCheeriosDEI programs. Hiring Quotas.
@@FluteCheeriosnon straight black men are not perceived as a threat to or to be competing for white women by white men. It's a power thing and this dynamic has always existed here.
Because the cost of college what you get out of it isn't adding up
So if BW are "tearing it up" in school, how are they overachieving more in a patriarchal society than BM? He mentions Trump and George Floyd, but there was also Briana Taylor. Those tragedies are not exclusive to BM.
Black men are increasingly choosing trades over traditional college paths. Trades offer more reliable job opportunities compared to what many college degrees have provided. Fields like CDL driving, HVAC, mechanics, electrical work, and general labor have proven to offer greater opportunities and stability. This shift highlights the practicality of pursuing trade careers, as they provide a clear path to employment and success.
No one wants to pay back a loan for the rest of their life, for a job that's not promised, for a field that's being downsized or automated, or for a country that really doesn't notice us our continued sacrifices and struggles
How is it that BW are ripping in up when it's more of an incentive for Women to go to college. BM are really ostracized from American society. From Grade School to College and even the workforce. We are told and showed how much we don't matter. The only scholarship and grant opportunities black men get are from sports specifically basketball and football. We undergo much ridicule for being unemployed in a system that blocks us because we are black and men. Even in the trades, I know because I have a trade. Everyones path is different what might work for one might not for another.
As a "highly educated" black man with a 2 yr old, at this point, I'll encourage him to avoid college. My fancy degree isn't doing 💩 for me at the moment
I advocate for young brothers to go. My fancy degree has been doing well for me. There are grants and scholarships available for brothers
Just curious. Whats your degree?
Thank you. The fact that they ignore this is unbelievable. How many people have fancy degrees, but they're working a job and only require a high school diploma. men are realizing that it's better to go into the trades.
@Chaoskae It depends on what the degree is in. If you get a degree in Basket weaving or women's studies what kind of job are you gonna get from that. We need to encourage brothers to go into the need to stop telling black children that everybody's gotta go to college.
🤫 Your not allowed to say that out loud. You're disturbing the monolith.
HBCUs might consider increasing their online offerings and non traditional students. Black men may want to go to school later after they've begun working and starting families. The education the HBCUs offer also needs to educate us to solve Black People's problems, for being competitive with other groups in having our own and doing for self, and ultimately for freedom. It can't be the same education except in black.
K-12 public education is failing American children. That ripples out across their lives. Poor education in K-12 lowers aspirations and the ability to get though college, especially for children that do not have any family members that can help them into and through the college experience.
Parents are failing their children across America. I’m 2024 when you have a computer in your pocket that provides endless resources. The family has to first set an educational standard, support and expectation. Everything starts at home. There needs to be a cultural shift in the household first.
@@astar3658 Parents play a vital role but again most parents do not have a college degree, so their ability to help in that area is quite limited. Because the school system is populated primarily by ppl with a college education it is the ideal place for kids to get information about college.
@@jasonwhite6463 I don’t know if that’s true that most parents don’t have college degrees most people are middle class so if they have children one of the parents mostly will have a college degree.
@@oladeebiazazi4538 What is wild to me is that ppl will post something like "I don't know if ***insert random thing*** is true...." while literally holding a device that is more than capable of allowing them to confirm the answer.
Most black men dont want the dept, i couldnt get a full ride so i went to trade school. Im a master electrician i make roughly 90 to 105k a year. No school dept, i live pretty good my wife works part time so im good keep your college dept. Thanks.
@@eniwtna72 Debt, not dept
Its because we really dont see it as a necessity to thrive.
Other ethnicities males are still attending college. Somehow, black males still earn less than others. So, how are we thriving?
But you’re not thriving
@jones2277 i never said that i was or wasn't
Agreed. The education system in my opinion has become too female, 🏳️🌈 centered.
@@jones2277 How in the world do you know whether someone commenting on RUclips is thriving or not???
Men don't go to these Universities. Get a trade! We need working men! Hookup culture and DEI changed the landscape of the working market. We have 10 million working men who have checked out of work and dating. The experts "bankers" predicted that over 40% women between the age of 20 to 40 will be single and childless by 2030. The reason why is because more women are in the work force than ever. They don't want a "dusty" who has been forgotten. They want someone, either on their pay level or higher. So, men best beat is to get a trade! Things have changed because of society norms. Good luck gentlemen and God speed.
As a Gen Z black man with a bachelor in computer science, I’m in the process of switching to trade base career. College is a scam.
College isn’t the problem, it’s the industries. Corporations and other organizations are gatekeeping, substituting human workers with technology, racism in hiring is still a thing, “ghost job postings”, multiple-round interviews with rejections, etc. The massive layoffs of IT workers by the companies is a glaring problem. Getting a job in this country is extremely difficult. Keeping a job is extremely difficult.
Baby boomers appear to be the last generation to have had job opportunities than Gen X and beyond. I’m a Black female Gen Xer with a master’s degree and getting work was a nightmare for me. I ended up finding a State job that right now is stable. So, college is not a scam. It’s a training ground. Industry controls the labor and the economy and deregulation by certain politicians gave those business owners substantial control. Join a union after you become licensed in whatever trade you choose. Good luck to you ❤.
College isn’t a scam. I’m an Attorney & I went to college. In fact, you can’t become an Attorney without college.
I went to Prarie view A&M for civil engineering. Its been truly rewarding...but my 3 younger brothers went into trades. They saw what i went through and were good. They're Masonry, electrician, and HVAC respectfully. Couple of cousins got edls and others doing detail work and house cleaning. 9-18 month programs winning right now.
This was a very good interview, truly appreciated it.
Graduated from an HBCU in accounting and my degree has paid for itself many times over. You have to get a proper rate of return for your investment. College years were some of the best years of my life, met my wife there, it was more than worth it.
There is no right or wrong answer, it’s what you make of it and what YOU want for your life.
We need to find a way to make college education less expensive for minority students who have historically been shut out of higher education.
Education should be less expensive for everyone. College has become a scam.
😂 That's not been history in most of our lifetimes. I refused to go because I didn't want to use affirmative action to take the place of my more pale classmates who worked harder.
@@vashmatrix5769 HBCUs wouldn't exist if the Black students hadn't been historically discriminated against. There are Black ppl still alive that were the first to integrate schools. Affirmative action NEVER has been a means to get around hard work. It is a lie to suggest otherwise.
That’s not why they’re not going
This was a powerful conversation
That’s because fathers are redirecting their sons to technical school. Unless you’re going to college for STEM, to become a doctor, lawyer, or accountant then college isn’t worth the price tag. Y’all just going to keep playing stupid like paying $120,000 for a sociology degree only to get a JOB making $50,000 is a flex.
Thanks
So why are black males' numbers not increases in STEM, doctors, lawyers, and accountants then. Trade school is cool, but you change a community by building hospitals, banks, police stations, and employing engineers to build and design it all.
Nope. The numbers don’t support that. However, women are enrolling in technical schools at their highest ever
@@mikDubbyou change a community by not breaking up and destroying the family but thats a whole other discussion
What fathers? Where they at? It's not like these "fathers" have college degrees and decided tell their sons to go to DeVry.
My son is a black male in STEM at an HBCU from California I helped him secured $318,125 so he will be debt free for 4 years and not have to worry about loans, his only job is to focus on school and he did get his first internship at Turner as a freshman this passed summer his major is Civil Engineering. I have watch him grow and I know he will be successful #singlemother
It could be because men are choosing trade schools .. cost is a big factor. Men need to know how to fix and work on things (as we are expected to build society) I encourage men to attend a college/trade school that has your best interests in being skilled and in demand
As an HBCU graduate this is definitely a reality. I remember in 2007 when I was a freshman on campus at TSU in Nashville there was a 9:1 ratio of women to men on campus. I can just imagine how that gap has grown over time. Great points Calvin.
Congratulations Calvin, so great to see you c/o 2008 alum flourishing!
My mom always told me, "It's not where you go, it's what you do when you get there." Half these HBCUs are either private or out of state. Overpaying for an education isn't wise at all.
Please be careful of the headline. This is isnt a black male thing. Its is GLOBAL.
Men in general arent going to colleges. Regardless of what country you choose that 30% rate holds up very well. If you look in some south american countries (like i looked at Colombia) it drops to 20%
Did you read the title of the video??
My brother Calvin! We always knew you would do important work in this world.
5:40 YALL PLEASE DONT LISTEN TO THIS NON SENSE. As a college graduate with an engineering degree the ONLY reason to attend ANY university is for a useful degree that will make you money. I’ve seen too many of my friends not be able to find a job after. You want to learn something? read a book, watch a youtube video etc. College is not about learning or an education, you can’t understand half the things the professors say and half the class just cheats anyway. Do research on the degree you want before you go and remember there’s other less expensive ways to obtain knowledge and be successful. You have the combined knowledge of all of human history at your finger tips.
The data is weak for engineering or CS black alumni getting better outcomes.
@ i know for a fact you don’t have data that shows black CE majors (or any CE majors) can’t find jobs. Civil engineering has sustained the highest level of job growth out of all engineering since the pandemic. I’m a black CE major that graduated last year and had a a job lined up a whole year before that. my whole graduating class had no issues finding jobs. CS on the other hand has gotten over saturated and might be harder
@@bibby3027 it's like saying, all physicians get jobs. But turning a blind eye to the opportunity cost, the actual cost, and the lower ROI black American men get vs the hiring preferences given to white and Asian American men.
We studied 1000x more, 1000x harder... but won't get 1000x more money than the kid making your burrito at Chipotle...
Either way, congratulations on your employment. Happy for you, sincerely.
Engineering is an over saturated shitty field now
@@T.H-v4h couldn’t be further from the truth. civil is not over saturated. maybe in a few cities but what makes the field so good is every single city has demand for civil engineers. There’s jobs literally everywhere. not all engineering is tech and computer science.
There is a lot of elitism with HBCU's
Search link ? How ?
This interview was a clear example of that
How come this comment is never made when discussion other groups going to college?
@@TheIshvalanHero this is soooooo true. The HBCU I attended had that mixed with nepotism. For most things, the school was always slow to get things done. But, if you are a legacy student, the red carpet is practically laid out for you. This is because your parents/grandparents/great-grandparents would be affiliated with someone (related, in-law, friends of, mutual friends of, etc.) that works there. Therefore, they’ll help you out faster, with whatever it is you need help with, faster than a regular student, like myself, who doesn’t have such connections. It was so annoying, even for basic stuff like WiFi or A/C in my dorm room, I had to constantly be on top of grown adults who are supposed to do their job. Whereas, the legacy kids, not saying they had the same issues as me, but I noticed they seemed to have their problems solved faster.
So, when I transferred to a PWI and was treated fairly, it was so refreshing. It’s sad I have to rejoice about getting treatment I’m entitled to, considering I’m paying to attend their school.
@@bnwo because sometimes when we get a taste of power and privilege, we turn into Uncle Ruckus for some goofy reason
Black man here. On track to finish my BS soon! The belief gap is real.
Congratulations!
@ Thank you! Saving this video to comment again when I graduate. Haha.
@@clarencejones4717 My son went to my husband's and my alma mater, our daughter a PWI. We started college funds for them before they were walking but they both received scholarships. It was mandatory that they get a Bachelor's and it could have been from a local college if financial the right choice. That degree is an entry ticket AND for us, a four generation family tradition. They have been given a gift. They must do with it what they will.
I hope that you aren't incurring debt and if so, not too much.
@ Thats awesome to hear! Beautiful how you set your kids up for success!
I’m a first generation student and will be the first person in my family to earn a degree when I finish. It is mandatory indeed. Wishing you all continued success!
@@clarencejones4717 I love to hear stories like yours! I recognize my privilege and made my kids recognize theirs!!! College is more than a job training program. HBCU's are think tanks and where networks are built. My grandfather attended Lincoln University with Kwame Nkrumah, who later became the first President of Ghana. My mother later went to teach in Ghana, possible because of relationships that were established a generation before.
YOU are the person who will begin to build a multigenerational educational and economic network for your family. Be proud to be the the first but don't be the last! Peace and Blessings.
Yeah what's the point? Is there a benefit to attending HCBU??
Has anyone for one second pondered that the imbalance is purposeful? The school system in general is anti BM
Not just the school system, every system.
I’m a black senior and am not going to an hbcu 🤷🏾♂️ and will most likely attend a pwi for computer science although if I got the opportunity to attend Famu I would consider it heavily.
Why would black men go to a play yall act like we 2nd classes citizen for going to?
Instead yall will go to prison at alarming rates and the unemployment office. Very smart
@@T.H-v4hyou just proved so many points with that response smh
@@thejessicadiaries lol they was never going anyway. jail it is.
Im an black male, Sergeant First Class in the United States Army. Brother join the military marry a non black woman and have some peace and quiet. I retire in 6 years, I'm leaving America and never looking back.
I was the oldest son of a single mother led home. The pressure on me in high school was to help out finanically. I was a top notch student through elementary and middle schools. Once I got old enough to get a job that pressure to contribute financially started. And I put school on the backburner. And this despite being in a college prep program in high school. It negatively affecting me in high school. It took years for me to make up the ground I lost.
Young Black men are saddled with a lot of baggage that begins in earnest in their teen years. Leaving home to attend college simply is not a option for a lot of young brothers. And with so many college degree holders struggling finanically the incentive is just not there.
If a young man wants a professional degree (ie: Medical Doctor, Lawyer, Engineer) then yes go to college. Even then there are ways to do it that limit the debt. Any other degree can be had by attending a community college and a "cheaper" state school. Going away to a private HBCU is just not a good decision for some guys.
And Deion Sanders did a lot to show black men about HBCUs. HBCUs have to do more to market to black males. Most high school college counselors don't talk about HBCUs.
Everybody saw the BS that Deion Sanders was dealing with at Jackson State. Even he left, for a PWI (Colorado). Same rule of thumb goes for Ed Reed. He had a way better experience when he was a coach at University of Miami compared to Bethune Cookman.
As a gay black man and recent graduate, I chose a PWI for my undergrad/grad because I attended a live-in science camp at an HBCU, and it was the most homophobic experience I’ve ever endured. It got to the point where the staff was sabotaging my projects. It completely ruined my outlook on HBCUs and robotics.
There are too many considerations to cite as to why men aren't attending college. Among them, black men make up a larger share of the athletics population (16 percent) than we do the undergraduate student body (5 percent). The pathway to professional sports is much wider at large state institutions (PWI) than AN HBCU.
If my son is talented enough to play at UGA, I wouldn't send him to Howard. I don't care what color the students are. Whatever median is best for our goals is where we are going. If it’s Howard, great. If it’s UGA, great.
It’s college in general. Majority men go straight into workforce or trade jobs instead of secondary education. A lot business with well paid job have been looking to hire experience workers at least over the last 10 years. Starting your own business doesn’t take a college degree either.
A few years ago Bethune Cookman University (formerly BCC) started giving men's baseball scholarships to white students. It was eye opening to see, but what do black men think will happen if they don't attend?
its deeper than that. we see the scam with hbcu's where were just being indoctrinated to get a degree to work for white daddy. To think, the amount of hbcu grads and you cant speak of no hospitals, car manufactures, school systems, banks have been funded and ran by hbcu grads. we also now know that hbcu's have always been funded by white men specifically jews. and the cost of these hbcu's are outrageous with bad customer service on top of that. the gig is up.
I think sport may be a little different bc of the "advantages" associated with divisional classification. it's a little more than enrollment
Hbcu’s have always given scholarships to white and non black students. It’s not only black people that go there. I went to Florida A&M which is an hbcu and most of the women’s basketball and volleyball teams were white girls. Its a HISTORICALLY black college meaning yes it was founded (mainly by whites) for black students but they’re regular schools just like anywhere else
Stillman College in Tuscaloosa did the same as well a whole documentary with Chris Rock was done plus they ended there football program in 2015-16 I have rarely heard of a PWI ending there football program
@@mslessgo930 why would a college not give athletic scholarships to a student athlete? I went to florida a&m and the majority of women’s volleyball team were white Europeans
I went to Morehouse. I loved my HBCU experience. Given the current climate and the amount of money, time and resources allocated to empowering young Black Women/Girl Power - this is the end result. I speak as a father to two girls, and I've seen my 4 nephews pay the price.
A lot of men are opening their own businesses!
Would love to hear the reason WHY this is happening.
When I was a teacher, I noticed a lot of students (mostly black male students) opting out of both college and trade school. They were doing content creation throughout their high school years and just continued doing that after graduation. They are doing well for themselves and have more freedom than any of their peers who went to college or got trades.
@@mujahidabdul-aleem118 that’s Gen z all the way
Give me the content creators that’s trying to make a live off of degrading the black community and degrading black women give me a break
@@jmjenkins97☝🏾yes as a African/Black RUclipsr I am dissapointed with the representation and the mockery of our own people by our own people and others 😢😒. Especially the streamers!!
Trading, content creation, and technology. You'll never go hungry.
I graduated from an HBCU almost a decade ago. Even then there were classes I was in where you could count on one hand how many guys were present. Now, I would encourage young men to either go into the military and then do college if they really want (and take advantage of tuition assistance and/or GI bill), or learn a trade. You don’t need a degree to get into IT or even be good at using computers, be an electrician, plumber, contractor, etc, and they make good money.
Unless you’re pursuing a professional degree, don’t do it. The opportunity cost is too great, and there’s too much propagandizing instead of teaching people how to think critically l.
Black girl magic at work
Fewer Black Men attending High School so what you expect.
If BM are barely graduating from high school the I can understand why rates would be down across the board. If/when they are in college it's probably for sports, and a result of that would also increase the reduced graduation rate. Most BM college athletes do not obtain a college degree.
Umm most black men graduate from high school .
Ur comment is pretty ignorant
@@Thatdudekay2 Talking about test scores/reading levels
I’m in graduate school for tech. Go to college work in the A/C get the bag 💪🏿
Good job black man. Get into the trades and start your own business
I tried to go to an HBCU, I didn’t get accepted the admissions offices kept “losing my paperwork”. Then I was offered numerous athletic and academic scholarships from prominent division 1 PWIs
Hopefully more trade schools.
They’re not doing that either. But women are
Trying to imagine dinner conversations between Alice the architect, and Joe the plumber. The current state of affairs threatens the future of the black family in ways we couldn't have predicted 30 years ago.
@@diaprojectdiss2142you’re right. And Joe the Plumber has a huge chip on his shoulder and also believes women should be subservient to to men.
@@jones2277 A message reinforced from the pulpit by barely literate preachers and pastors.
@@diaprojectdiss2142bingo
I went to an HBCU 25 years ago. There were like 20 women to 1 man, back then. Howard, Morehouse, Xavier ect get the enrollment but the ones like Bethune Cookman lack the enrollment.
This is an issue few people are talking about the men that actually chose to go to college. Many black men after being raised in predominately black environments want to go to white institutions so they can have more access to women of different races. They want to INTERACCIALLY DATE. Also they no longer want to feel ISOLATED in black areas.
LASTLY FINANCIALLY ITS CHEAPER TO GO TO SCHOOLS IN YOUR OWN STATE. Many men in Midwest can go to STATE SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITY COLLEGES FOR FREE.
DEBT, DEBT, DEBT, DEBT 📉 😮 Black men, skip college, build a business... 📈
As a college graduate, a PWI nor an HBCU is worth having such a horrible income to debt ratio. After 14 years plus removed from graduation, my income finally exceeds my debt. College did not teach me how to count real income. After taxes, expenditures, and debt, those are your real numbers. The real crisis is not college enrollment, as there's no strong correlation between degrees and one being a suitable husband and wife. The real degree is the enterprise of family. A more educated Black woman is appearing to have an inverse effect on family because college does not prepare for family. It prepares to be an employee. Realizations and epiphanies about time regarding family typically occur late and feel like business as usual. No one wants to marry and make babies with a corporate andriod. The best academic institution is still family. A committed husband and wife outweighs college any day.
Couldn't have said it better.
@@mrdanielleebrown this is it. College alone has destroyed the black American family. Spending our most fertile years drinking and exploring promiscuity, and sitting in libraries unpaid.
These hobbies are crushing our strongest young people
@@economicdevelopmentplannin8715 College did not destroy the Black family. Feminism and US government policy (crack, welfare) in the 1970s and 80s did.
@@salj.5459 yes. But this video is about the impact of college?
@@economicdevelopmentplannin8715 So what? You comment said "College alone has destroyed the black American family". And I addressed that false claim
Attorney here. Graduated from Lincoln (MO) 2017. My HBCU was very affordable. We paid $1500 a semester for an unlimited meal plan. I miss those days. I wish I would have did all 5 years there. Nevertheless, I would not be where I am today if I had not transferred to Lincoln.
There is nothing wrong with going to college. First you need to know what career/job you want. Secondly, does that career/job require college? If so, go to college! If not, don’t go to college. If you don’t know what you want to do, then go to community college to buy yourself some time or get a job.
If you don’t like school you can get a trade or certification. There literally is something for everyone. But, many students are uninformed & lack guidance!
So where are they going after H.S ?
Their mothers couch
Right. This is important
Uh Maybe, to become a plumber, electrician, truck driver, grass cutter, construction worker, police officer, delivery driver, mail man, barber…….army lol
@@SadGuy321 blk unemployment and prison numbers say otherwise
HBCU outreach needs improvement. As a city kid, I didn’t even know what an HBCU was until my mid-20s.
Bruh less than 10% of all black students go to HBCUs in the first place 😂.
That will change with the abolishment of AA
The HBCU scholarship and grants are not as competitive and their tuition is costly. I went with the more cost effective choice.
One the public school system is failing our youth nation wide. Also the devaluing of our sons is effecting their beliefs to achieve more. Women have been in leadership and the families haven’t grown. It’s time to go back to male leadership in the community. Also HBCUs are behind in facilities, diversities of thought, NIL, trade school promotion. These men need resources now. We need school choice in some areas and more accountability, not handouts.
You said out loud what most in our community avoid talking about
Great host!!
Men giving up - not me though 😎
How is enrollment at Morehouse?
What a first world problem.
@@coinbowl It isn't a first world problem, actually
Great interview, Calvin!
HBCU schools and colleges in general are way too expensive to bring broad statements like a sense of community to entice people to sign up.
A lot of them are private institutions.
Where they find this Oreo from talking about “I attended a PWI but I have so many black friends and family members“👉🏾 and it makes the Oreo feel good to say it also
"This is an American education problem". I appreciate that statement. Thank you, for covering this topic.🙂👋🏽👨🏽⚕️💙🦬
I got accepted to Howard but they offered me almost no financial aid. I couldn't afford to go there.