First off the first flight model was not realistic at all lol, and second it’s barely a nerf, this thing is still a rocket ship and is still faster than everything in game lol
@@brodykloster2102 unfortunately, the speed of this aircraft and the time it took to reach those speeds was pretty accurate. increasing the drag is acceptable for balance however it is not really that realistic. the flanker should have fairly exceptional performance but it doesn't. it's weird, it should accelerate at higher altitudes but it slows down past a certain point, so does the F-15E but it is dramatically less than the flankers. It's only not realistic because everything else is stunted for some reason, and I guess the engines and low drag performance blew this thing past the game engine limitations! it's pretty fast irl!
So here’s the issue that I have with this. Gaijin should not have added these aircraft yet. Not until we received better missiles across the board. The Flankers obviously need better missiles to counter this and that’s why this was nerfed. In war thunder we do not have the proper thrust curves for these engines, the over speed is wrong, there is just a whole lot wrong with all of the f15s in the game. The C and the E should have better thrust curves than they did even before this nerf. I’m not sure if that’s classified or what but I will try to find a non nato restricted source for it. The do not exceed speed on the strike eagle is Mach 2.9. In game it’s 2.55. My point here is that these aircraft were not ready to be added to the game, but they did it anyways so they could add an $80 premium. Here is what gaijin should do. Get the next level of fox 3s ready to be added. No new aircraft, other than the hornet bc Germany needs it, but other than that just get the better missiles ready. While they do that, they need to go through and fix the ENTIRE GAME. Many of the aircraft have nonsensical flight performance. The flanker is the most noticeable one, but things like the f16 suffer from the same issue. That is that the game engine appears to only allow for a static lift coefficient. Aircraft like the flanker are designed to be more lift efficient at high AOA, meaning it turns into an AIRBRAKE instead of actually turning. For the F16 it means it never achieves its best irl rate speed. They simply Don’t produce the lift they should to counteract the drag. I am not 100% sure that this is the issue because I am not going to try and dissect gaijins physics engine, but it makes sense. The game was originally made for props with no intention of adding supersonic jets so this wouldn’t have been an issue. Regardless of why, there are aircraft that are simply not doing what they should be able to do, the flanker, the viper, the eagle, the mig and friends. These HAVE to get fixed now before things like the eurofighter come. Once gaijin has a fix ready for them, add the better missiles. F15E will be faster, yes, but r77-1 will be able to catch up to it much easier than what we have in game currently. Right now you can’t simply pop up from behind a mountain and launch a missile at the eagle, it will never hit a target 35,000ft in the air going Mach 2. A well timed R77-1 would be able to. US would get better AMRAAMs, but the performance difference will be less than what it is now and low flying aircraft have terrain masking and multipathing, and the advantage of ground clutter to make space AMRAAMs miss. TLDR: Gaijin needs to quit adding new aircraft, buff the flanker, mig, viper, all the eagles, fix all the wonky flight models. Then they need to add the next gen of radar missiles to the game. R77-1, aim120C-2/5/7 to balance things out, because the f15s kinetic performance will be much better than its competition, the newer missiles will be more evenly matched. R77-1 is a very big improvement.
R-77s work just fine And catch us all the time Just saying Even going max speed and the missile having to climb I didn’t out run an R-77 If you are trying to launch one from 20km away and I out run it That’s because you are on the edge of your effective launch range And if I’m flying away from it It’s only extending the distance is has to cover with its limited burn time
It can takeoff and immediately go vertical and break the sound barrier in the climb in real life. It's not busted, just accurate. The nerf is unrealistic.
@@ClankerWanker You say it as if it was an inconvinience for high speed 🤦♂ Delta wing advantage is precisely high supersonic speed where sweep angle helps to delay the onset of shockwaves and reduce wave drag ... compared to convetional wing design , delta wings have only more drag at high alpha. In other words delta wing is an advantage at high speed not a disadvantage .
how does it compare to the F15C? I already have the C and im grinding the E for the better perfomance for air RB, is it still a lot quicker then the C?
unfortunate, however it needed it. i wouldve preferred a higher br cap (14.0-14.3) for the F-15E/I, or the next generation of fox3s (R77-1 and AIM-120C)
There is no proof of this claim considering it could be mounted on su30sm and su35 they where never widely used or in mass production but there are a few that exist for testing
So real (US mains complaining when their Amazing flight model becomes slightly worse) (Russia players when their severely under preforming jets gets nerfed even more : .... )
@@im_javii uhh, no. the Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale, SU-30 are all Gen 4/4.5 jets that could supercruise. The only thing the F22 does better is stealth because well, it's a 5th gen jet......
@@bagofsunshine3916Also the F-22 can supercruise at higher Mach numbers. Other fourth gens and 4.5 gens would cruise at like 1.0, 1.10… the F-22 can do it at like 1.3 I think. Edit: NVM, it’s closer to over 1.5 Mach supercruise god damn
Shit literally stalls out and locks up trying to recover from dives I’m just saying how nobody else has noticed it It’s almost stupid Literally 500kmh Trying to pull up and your control surfaces are locked up Like excuse me
Was grinding this one but disappointed now. However there's a lot wrong with a lot of aircraft performance wise anyway, where 'realistic' in Warthunder means something other than realistic.
sad thing is, before the nerf, the engines needed 1.2K more KGF to be accurate to the real life counterpart, and in the game the SU-34 has 1.9K more KGF than the one in real life, very realistic indeed
I do have to say as a us and russia main i do support this. It wasnt fun fighting a f15e and it wasntnfun for my friends to fight menin it, im all for realism but also im for the game being fun
@@Alex-mp5xe .. you cannot be serious.. jesus christ, well if im also playing realistic battles, why doesnt the su34 have grom 1? Or why does the Mig 29smt not have enough range on its radar...? hmmm how about we use our brains and think that MAYBE the name of what you are playing doesnt have ANYTHING to do with balance.
That's the F-15EX "never exceed" speed, which has an upgraded airframe over the standard Strike Eagle. It was also in a fully clean config in ideal conditions, and Rob Novotny (who made the claim in the first place) admitted he made a mistake, and that the realistic top speed was closer to Mach 2.5.
It was not underperforming tf? The only time an eagle got to that high speeds was the streak eagle with everything stripped and low fuel; also the speed retention was insane too
@birdwithagun sure buddy while the su34 doing complete cobra backwards 🙄 yall always bitch about us mains when they are accurate to get it nerf slammed into the ground
@@FunFishFacts the problem is that it's boring to grind an entire line only to end up with a basic f15 when they had a month to nerf it during the test server
@@francothebrazilian2764do you not understand what’s he’s saying? Gaijin constantly does this they had a extremely long dev-they release a very very good plane- then nerf it claiming it’s unrealistic
This game is like everything else, it takes a real side, there shouldn't be such stupid producers. I want to play USA, but the game doesn't allow it. I have a nervous breakdown when I play USA.
@@nuklear7074everything really, bad teams because it's much way harder to play with the ground vehicles, especially at top tier, and the other nations (competitive ones) are much easier to play overall, just point and shoot, russia germany and sweden
@@AndyB2007 The Abrams is the most versatile MBT. 5sec reload, good armor and great mobility. It may not be the best in a single category but it has no downsides. America is in no way a worse nation then any other.
@@saltysteel3996 that's not a bug, because it gets in the way of the missiles. You can circumvent that if you take CFTs or just use them as pylons. The real bug is, you can take a CFT pylon on one side and no CFT in the other xD It's so cursed it looks like it got an allergy after being stung by a bee xD
I mean they have nerfed nato aircraft for a while like the gripen and now the f15e and there still better then the Russian and Chinese stuff and honestly I think the snail is playing a prank on anyone who likes Germany with there top tier still being a phantom so you can't really complain
They also removed the grom 1s (lets be real a useless fun gimmick weapon with no practical CAS application) because US mains bitched that if they stood in one spot for 5 minutes a Su-34 could kill them from really far away The US is absolutely handheld and if you’re not doing well with US top tier youre not very good at the game
Thr f15e would have gotten even worse engines, yet you all complained about isreal getting a better f15, so Gaijin gave it even better engines. I dont see the isreali players complaining about getting a weaker jet.
total BS and unjustificable while IRL F15E is way faster than F15C, but ofc this game is modeled around USSR, god forbid america has 1 top jet, so yet again the best missiles, the best radars and all goes to USSR, congrats gaijin
bro what SU-27 fm nerf MiG-29 not having the R-73s it hard irl SMT/SM not getting their engine upgrades, ect yall still have the best (and over performing!) F-16 (BLK 10-15 is the worst most egregious example), F-15 with higher sep than irl but, i dont agree with the nerfs either. Buff the su-27/mig-29 sm/smt, french jets too, nerf where needed and DECOMPRESS should be the answer, not arbitrary nerfs to balance.
@@GeneralArmchair bro what Russian plane is nerfed? I have top tier Russian planes and tanks. They’re just as good as nato counterparts with differing strengths. Russian airframes have great maneuverability and plenty of power and what they lack they make up for with their amazing r73 for dogfights and r77/r27er in mid- to long-range jousts. I swear so many players just want to have their favorite nation dominate or they want copy-pasted models and weapons into each nation. Like what fucking fun is the game if the su27 and f15 have the exact same flight characteristics and weapons? May as well be an arcade game at that point. Get used to your nation’s play style and stop bitching. Russia has consistently had most of, or close to, the most powerful and overwhelming systems in the game. Period.
@@Takemura76 Wdym "oversized"? They miss several tons of thrust (straight up, so trust/weight is barely above 1), maneurability is straight up wrong, they should be at least be able to compete IRL, but in war thunder even worst F-16 smokes the best russian planes, which SHOULD NOT happen, ever.
all F15s should be way faster, the whole "F15E is still way faster than F15C" is hot trash because ALL f15 should be way way way faster, this is backed up by literally all the pilots that went from f14 to f15 or f16 to f15, yet again proof how this game is modeled specifically for the russian kids
Copium of the charts my guy, if this is the position your gonna take then give the SU 27 it's flight model oh wait it was the American mains who cried that got it nerfed in the first place.
@@Sanknu so where is the balance? Russia has been getting dominated for the past 6 months in air rb and we still didn't get the flight models of the su27, mig29 and r77 fixed
@ not at all lol, it’s supposed to be fast. The US military wouldn’t have used it if it wasn’t faster than previous variants. The brain rot is real with you guys
Hey, the russians got their planes artificially nerfed too. Look at the mig 29 and su 27s underperforming flight models. USA still has the best top tiers in the game, so i dont see why you are complaining.
@@martinwellhoefer9159 And missing a ton of thrust too (not even incorrect engines, their engines just do not perfom as they should). They shouldnt be that much worse then F-15E, but its the fastest plane in game, that can reach these speeds easily, unlike any other.
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Sad that I couldn’t experience the biblically accurate F-15
It was accurate tbh
Trust me it was finally great to have an accurate plane.
Only other mains complained
@@TangsHobbies if by accurate you mean handheld to appeal to the US main majority, yes
@@TangsHobbies brother the graph's arent classified, you can go look and see it's overperforming smh
@@TangsHobbies meanwhile my MiG-29 having 6800kgf ingame (it has 7800kgf irl according to the manual):
just need the T-PODs to be able to designate more than 65000 feet away. Our weapons range now exceed the pods range.
poor US mains, went from having best plane to only having the best plane:P
And it still isn't accurate
Real
@@sgtj.peldridge4567how?
@sgtj.peldridge4567 Many aircraft in game aren't.
@ Ik
Oh no, the pain US mains must be feeling. Germany mains just wouldn't understand the pain.
I am so happy that i started with the german tree, wonder how i will feel when i switch over to the US... hahaha, prolly feels like a god then ;)
@@ruban7875
You'll feel worse. I lose 9/10 games in the U.S even if I'm at the top of the scoreboard.
@@mattlife25In air RB top tier? That would be insane seeing as practically every battle is US vs US
@@ruban7875Honestly It is a bit of a learning curve with US props, but the low BR jets and High BR jets are godly
@@christopherchartier3017 p-39n, p-51c, p-51h:
If they can nerf the f15e making it unrealistic for “balance” then they should give the M1A2 Abram’s DU armor or spall liner for “balance”
First off the first flight model was not realistic at all lol, and second it’s barely a nerf, this thing is still a rocket ship and is still faster than everything in game lol
@@brodykloster2102 yeah it was incredibly op , but then again f-15's do be like that lmao
Source of m1a2 having DU armor and/or spalliner??
the Mig29 and Su27's AOA and turn times have been severely nerfed for "balance" for a long time since they have r73
@@brodykloster2102 unfortunately, the speed of this aircraft and the time it took to reach those speeds was pretty accurate. increasing the drag is acceptable for balance however it is not really that realistic.
the flanker should have fairly exceptional performance but it doesn't. it's weird, it should accelerate at higher altitudes but it slows down past a certain point, so does the F-15E but it is dramatically less than the flankers. It's only not realistic because everything else is stunted for some reason, and I guess the engines and low drag performance blew this thing past the game engine limitations! it's pretty fast irl!
So here’s the issue that I have with this. Gaijin should not have added these aircraft yet. Not until we received better missiles across the board.
The Flankers obviously need better missiles to counter this and that’s why this was nerfed. In war thunder we do not have the proper thrust curves for these engines, the over speed is wrong, there is just a whole lot wrong with all of the f15s in the game. The C and the E should have better thrust curves than they did even before this nerf. I’m not sure if that’s classified or what but I will try to find a non nato restricted source for it. The do not exceed speed on the strike eagle is Mach 2.9. In game it’s 2.55.
My point here is that these aircraft were not ready to be added to the game, but they did it anyways so they could add an $80 premium.
Here is what gaijin should do. Get the next level of fox 3s ready to be added. No new aircraft, other than the hornet bc Germany needs it, but other than that just get the better missiles ready.
While they do that, they need to go through and fix the ENTIRE GAME. Many of the aircraft have nonsensical flight performance. The flanker is the most noticeable one, but things like the f16 suffer from the same issue. That is that the game engine appears to only allow for a static lift coefficient. Aircraft like the flanker are designed to be more lift efficient at high AOA, meaning it turns into an AIRBRAKE instead of actually turning. For the F16 it means it never achieves its best irl rate speed. They simply Don’t produce the lift they should to counteract the drag.
I am not 100% sure that this is the issue because I am not going to try and dissect gaijins physics engine, but it makes sense. The game was originally made for props with no intention of adding supersonic jets so this wouldn’t have been an issue. Regardless of why, there are aircraft that are simply not doing what they should be able to do, the flanker, the viper, the eagle, the mig and friends. These HAVE to get fixed now before things like the eurofighter come.
Once gaijin has a fix ready for them, add the better missiles. F15E will be faster, yes, but r77-1 will be able to catch up to it much easier than what we have in game currently. Right now you can’t simply pop up from behind a mountain and launch a missile at the eagle, it will never hit a target 35,000ft in the air going Mach 2. A well timed R77-1 would be able to. US would get better AMRAAMs, but the performance difference will be less than what it is now and low flying aircraft have terrain masking and multipathing, and the advantage of ground clutter to make space AMRAAMs miss.
TLDR: Gaijin needs to quit adding new aircraft, buff the flanker, mig, viper, all the eagles, fix all the wonky flight models. Then they need to add the next gen of radar missiles to the game. R77-1, aim120C-2/5/7 to balance things out, because the f15s kinetic performance will be much better than its competition, the newer missiles will be more evenly matched. R77-1 is a very big improvement.
R-77s work just fine
And catch us all the time
Just saying
Even going max speed and the missile having to climb
I didn’t out run an R-77
If you are trying to launch one from 20km away and I out run it
That’s because you are on the edge of your effective launch range
And if I’m flying away from it
It’s only extending the distance is has to cover with its limited burn time
So it’s barely changed then? Good
Real, MiG 29s need to be accurate too, same with F-117, the F-117 needs to be fixed or just put back to its peak
oh well. gone from being OP to be...a bit OP. Merican dream is over. billions must bias
Funny that they nerfed the thrust it had to believe it's irl values and drag as well just to nerf it.
People saying it’s not bad don’t understand it’s BAD, it has so much drag even on the deck and struggles to break Mach 2 even in level flight
39 seconds and no views, bro is skyrocketing
Nuh uh
Thats the opposite of what skyrocketing means
☝️🤓
Did they fix the bug that you cannot shoot missiles and flare&chaff beyond mach 1.01 when equipped with any bomb that has mach 1.0 limitation?
yes
oh no it would take 7 second more to be at Mach 2 !! nah f15 is busted
It can takeoff and immediately go vertical and break the sound barrier in the climb in real life.
It's not busted, just accurate.
The nerf is unrealistic.
@@saltysteel3996it can still do that
@@saltysteel3996 dawg the game isnt realistic, hasnt been for some time now.
@@saltysteel3996 It can do that, sure, what it shouldn't be able to do is reach Mach 2 at 10km altitude and hold that speed in a full-deflection turn.
i know u have been sarcastic, but it takes much longer to gain high speed, and yeah no more mach2.gaijin has limited the speed.
why is the mirage 4000 not as fast even though it has almost the same power-to-weight ratio?
Drag most likely
Delta wing
Drag coefficients.
@@ClankerWanker You say it as if it was an inconvinience for high speed 🤦♂ Delta wing advantage is precisely high supersonic speed where sweep angle helps to delay the onset of shockwaves and reduce wave drag ... compared to convetional wing design , delta wings have only more drag at high alpha. In other words delta wing is an advantage at high speed not a disadvantage .
@ really? Then yeah it’s probably that we either Don’t have the right data for it or it has to do with the engines.
Does the F-15I (new Israeli F-15) got nerfed or just the F-15E??? 🤔
both
Bruh, they should buff other aircrafts, so they could go as fast as irl
He’s testing the plane clean add a load out and the nerf becomes massive!!!!!
Did u try this? Did u notice it urself because Im debating if i should keep grinding for it or not
Do we know when the wing Vapours will be fixed for console
how does it compare to the F15C? I already have the C and im grinding the E for the better perfomance for air RB, is it still a lot quicker then the C?
NVM he said in the video lol
War thunder refuse to let US be accurate
We’d be too good
Oh no poor US mains what will they ever do.. lol
Ruined the f15e 😢
Yeah it went from being the best to being the best ... totaly ruined ...
We probably getting it buffed whenever other nations get something similar, But yeah Pantsir dint get nerf
unfortunate, however it needed it. i wouldve preferred a higher br cap (14.0-14.3) for the F-15E/I, or the next generation of fox3s (R77-1 and AIM-120C)
friendly reminder the R-27EA was never built.
There is no proof of this claim considering it could be mounted on su30sm and su35 they where never widely used or in mass production but there are a few that exist for testing
@@Pvt_Wade i may be stupid
When will USA have long-range missiles kind of x-38?
USA already have it. Called "AIM-54 Pheonix"
@함께지내던나날들 sorry kind of x-38
He means AGM missiles like the Mavericks.
@@saltysteel3996 ah I got it now
If it still hits 2.5, this nerf means nothing to me
Well it could go faster irl. Do not exceed speed is 2.9 lol
IRL it can go supersonic in a vertical climb immediately after takeoff.
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It doesn't matter because it's still miles better than the F-15C so it still has a purpose to grind on.
Russian Mains: First time bud?
So real
(US mains complaining when their Amazing flight model becomes slightly worse)
(Russia players when their severely under preforming jets gets nerfed even more : .... )
Real the Su-34 bigback isn't that good like at all in air to air compared to its counterpart
@@toyotawitha20mm35 Russian jets aren’t underperforming quit crying
dude, you could super cruise with this aircraft at 97% throttle I hit mach. that's actually insane.
Insane? Not really, it was accurate. Lots of 4th gen aircraft can super cruise.
@@saltysteel3996that’s only In Warthunder. the F22 was the only aircraft that could supercruise until other 5th gen fighters came out.
@@im_javii uhh, no. the Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale, SU-30 are all Gen 4/4.5 jets that could supercruise.
The only thing the F22 does better is stealth because well, it's a 5th gen jet......
@@bagofsunshine3916Also the F-22 can supercruise at higher Mach numbers. Other fourth gens and 4.5 gens would cruise at like 1.0, 1.10… the F-22 can do it at like 1.3 I think.
Edit: NVM, it’s closer to over 1.5 Mach supercruise god damn
@@christopherchartier3017 yeah but supercruise is supercruise wether that's mach 1.05 or mach 1.5.... and that's all that was mentioned
Shit literally stalls out and locks up trying to recover from dives
I’m just saying how nobody else has noticed it
It’s almost stupid
Literally 500kmh
Trying to pull up and your control surfaces are locked up
Like excuse me
funny to see that US mains having the best planes in almost every br and still crying about it
no ones crying about it but the people crying about imagined people crying...you.
@Yea.IGetHectic someone is already crying in the comment section lol
@@Yea.IGetHectic bro you being here disproves your own point 💀
@@2goober4uwe going to talk about ground RB or no?
@@2goober4u Not your bro, and no it does not.
Was grinding this one but disappointed now. However there's a lot wrong with a lot of aircraft performance wise anyway, where 'realistic' in Warthunder means something other than realistic.
So we got a lot in the Oktober Update, what do you think will be in the december Update ??
Maybe you could make a vid about it?
Most likely f 18s for us, german and swedish tech trees.
they might add a new vehicle
nerfing it before fixing the loadouts is wild
What a shame, this jet went to blatantly game breaking to just OP, poor American mains
russia main spotted, opinion invalidated.
sad thing is, before the nerf, the engines needed 1.2K more KGF to be accurate to the real life counterpart, and in the game the SU-34 has 1.9K more KGF than the one in real life, very realistic indeed
When you upgrade the engines you get the rest of KGF
Still crazy fast tbh
It's less realistic cause it could hit Mach 2.5 irl
Technically the Strike Eagle was put down as 2.3, all the others were 2.5, except the EX which is 2.9
The F-15E can hit between MACH 2.4 and 2.5 or about 1,875 miles per hour. That's the first thing i find@@batlax18
@@batlax18 can the new F15EX go mach 2.9?? Damm
@@Crashgrasse395 yeah, better thrust curves, optimized airframe, she a beast in the skies
So, the plane changed, but not changed kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Damn it. I got it literally last night at midnight. I couldn’t play any games. Damn.
it still good..?
I do have to say as a us and russia main i do support this. It wasnt fun fighting a f15e and it wasntnfun for my friends to fight menin it, im all for realism but also im for the game being fun
The best part of this change is that it'll be harder for f15 pilots to just run away from every fight.
No ❤escape zone? More like take a U turn zone.
It’s still faster than everything in game, this is a tiny nerf lol
It’s still the best jet in the game
I think the nerf is ok
No the drag is way to excessive especially at high alt it just dosent feel like it even got new engines
The nerf is unrealistic.
its about balance not realism buddy.
@@atomicwarthunder thought I was playing Air Realistic Battles here
@@Alex-mp5xe .. you cannot be serious.. jesus christ, well if im also playing realistic battles, why doesnt the su34 have grom 1? Or why does the Mig 29smt not have enough range on its radar...? hmmm how about we use our brains and think that MAYBE the name of what you are playing doesnt have ANYTHING to do with balance.
@@atomicwarthunder ask gaijin not me
No need for the gamer rage
Not really a nerf if its saving people from ripping off their wings 😂 a non existence nerf is more like it
Wait i though i was already underrated now compare to rl
Nobody listen to me 😢 F-15E real top speed is 3000kmh but yeah im an average comment and nobody ask for source or something like that
do you have a source for the claim that no one listens to you????
That's the F-15EX "never exceed" speed, which has an upgraded airframe over the standard Strike Eagle. It was also in a fully clean config in ideal conditions, and Rob Novotny (who made the claim in the first place) admitted he made a mistake, and that the realistic top speed was closer to Mach 2.5.
No we’re here realistic
Good.
It needed a nerf yes but it was underperforming compared to irl and doesnt have the right radar or weapons so i dont get it
Top tier is focused more on balance then realism
No top tier plane is performing as it does IRL
It was not underperforming tf? The only time an eagle got to that high speeds was the streak eagle with everything stripped and low fuel; also the speed retention was insane too
@birdwithagun sure buddy while the su34 doing complete cobra backwards 🙄 yall always bitch about us mains when they are accurate to get it nerf slammed into the ground
@@ThePointlessBox_the su27 and mig29 having wrong engines and awful flight performance come to mind lol.
Damn, didn’t even make it a week before they nerfed it. I wasn’t even done grinding for it. I’ll never get to experience hyper sonic speeds now 😢
that was fast
I uninstalled the game! They publish their crappy updates a month late, I'm pissed grinding the f15E so that 2 days later it's nerfed BUFF MICA
It's gone from extremely op to only very op - chill out
@@FunFishFacts the problem is that it's boring to grind an entire line only to end up with a basic f15 when they had a month to nerf it during the test server
@@FunFishFacts They are waiting for people to buy the plane and then nerf it! with their months of delay they could have done it well before
@@tsiku2146calm down it’s still the best plane
@@francothebrazilian2764do you not understand what’s he’s saying? Gaijin constantly does this they had a extremely long dev-they release a very very good plane- then nerf it claiming it’s unrealistic
This game is like everything else, it takes a real side, there shouldn't be such stupid producers. I want to play USA, but the game doesn't allow it. I have a nervous breakdown when I play USA.
Whats wrong with the USA in game?
@@nuklear7074everything really, bad teams because it's much way harder to play with the ground vehicles, especially at top tier, and the other nations (competitive ones) are much easier to play overall, just point and shoot, russia germany and sweden
@@AndyB2007 The Abrams is the most versatile MBT. 5sec reload, good armor and great mobility. It may not be the best in a single category but it has no downsides. America is in no way a worse nation then any other.
@@nuklear7074 the Abrams is terrible, slow mobility poor survivability and gigantic weakspots
cannot fire flares and missiles above mach 1
That's a bug, no jet can fire missiles or flare/chaff when carrying bombs and going Mach or above, it'll be fixed pretty quick
There's a loadout bug for the F15E too. If you equipment the thermal pod you can't take the fuselage mounted AMRAAMs.
@@saltysteel3996 that's not a bug, because it gets in the way of the missiles. You can circumvent that if you take CFTs or just use them as pylons.
The real bug is, you can take a CFT pylon on one side and no CFT in the other xD It's so cursed it looks like it got an allergy after being stung by a bee xD
@@EriIazanaphylactic eagle
They real quick to nerf anything American or NATO but God forbid it’s anything Soviet or Russian it never happens.
ok bro
I like how us mains are trying rewrite history
I mean they have nerfed nato aircraft for a while like the gripen and now the f15e and there still better then the Russian and Chinese stuff and honestly I think the snail is playing a prank on anyone who likes Germany with there top tier still being a phantom so you can't really complain
Russia hasn’t gotten anything remotely good since the original Su-27 in the fox 1 meta
They also removed the grom 1s (lets be real a useless fun gimmick weapon with no practical CAS application) because US mains bitched that if they stood in one spot for 5 minutes a Su-34 could kill them from really far away
The US is absolutely handheld and if you’re not doing well with US top tier youre not very good at the game
So what I'm hearing Matt is you Russian mains already bticjed enough to get another u.s tech nerfed into the ground
So true 😂 this dude showing he is a Russian puppet fr
Thr f15e would have gotten even worse engines, yet you all complained about isreal getting a better f15, so Gaijin gave it even better engines. I dont see the isreali players complaining about getting a weaker jet.
The russian main wanted their mig 29 and su 27 to be corrected.
@@planetfun85 Which gjn, apparently will never do, and continue releasing new russian/soviet planes as underperforming with botchered FM`s.
How the hell was it nerfed into the ground? It’s still the best jet at top tier lol
No more Mach Tuah lol
So glad this thing got nerfed this update and we didn't have to deal with it until the major update, W gaijin
Im still pissed they released it like this after a extra long dev and then still nerfed it 2 days later
Man this is bs
TLDR: no more F-15EX for you at the moment.
This is STUPID! I can't even achieve top speed in mine 😪
I was chasing an f15e in an f16c. I was going mach 1.6 and was losing him at -350 m/s. This nerf was 100% warranted.
If they cut there nerf in half I would agree to that but this is a bit much
total BS and unjustificable while IRL F15E is way faster than F15C, but ofc this game is modeled around USSR, god forbid america has 1 top jet, so yet again the best missiles, the best radars and all goes to USSR, congrats gaijin
bro what
SU-27 fm nerf
MiG-29 not having the R-73s it hard irl
SMT/SM not getting their engine upgrades, ect
yall still have the best (and over performing!) F-16 (BLK 10-15 is the worst most egregious example), F-15 with higher sep than irl
but, i dont agree with the nerfs either. Buff the su-27/mig-29 sm/smt, french jets too, nerf where needed and DECOMPRESS should be the answer, not arbitrary nerfs to balance.
wtf are u talking about USSR doesnt even have any good fox-3s and the su34 is terrible for air AB
source: mained USSR and now US and have a 65% WR
Best missile? Best radar? WTF are you on about? Do you actually even play this game?
i honestly refuse to believe this is anything besides bait
9/10 rage bait
It's funny how fast they manage to nerf something american but not russian
Because it was nerfed BEFORE IT EVEN HIT LIVE SERVER. They didnt un-nerf Mig29/Su27 to this day, and then nerfed Su34 even more.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907those aren’t nerfed. Your oversized expectations about how good they’d be due to propaganda got nerfed, that’s all.
Tell me that you don't fly russian planes without telling me that you don't fly russian planes.
@@GeneralArmchair bro what Russian plane is nerfed? I have top tier Russian planes and tanks. They’re just as good as nato counterparts with differing strengths.
Russian airframes have great maneuverability and plenty of power and what they lack they make up for with their amazing r73 for dogfights and r77/r27er in mid- to long-range jousts.
I swear so many players just want to have their favorite nation dominate or they want copy-pasted models and weapons into each nation. Like what fucking fun is the game if the su27 and f15 have the exact same flight characteristics and weapons? May as well be an arcade game at that point.
Get used to your nation’s play style and stop bitching. Russia has consistently had most of, or close to, the most powerful and overwhelming systems in the game. Period.
@@Takemura76 Wdym "oversized"? They miss several tons of thrust (straight up, so trust/weight is barely above 1), maneurability is straight up wrong, they should be at least be able to compete IRL, but in war thunder even worst F-16 smokes the best russian planes, which SHOULD NOT happen, ever.
War thunder 💯 gay game
noooooooooooooo
all F15s should be way faster, the whole "F15E is still way faster than F15C" is hot trash because ALL f15 should be way way way faster, this is backed up by literally all the pilots that went from f14 to f15 or f16 to f15, yet again proof how this game is modeled specifically for the russian kids
😂😂😂bro wtf are you saying
It’s made to be a game. It’s supposed to be balanced
Copium of the charts my guy, if this is the position your gonna take then give the SU 27 it's flight model oh wait it was the American mains who cried that got it nerfed in the first place.
@@oz314flight model doesn't matter at top tier man I've got over 50 games in the F-15E 127 kills and I've been in 0 dog fights
@@Sanknu so where is the balance? Russia has been getting dominated for the past 6 months in air rb and we still didn't get the flight models of the su27, mig29 and r77 fixed
Ofc they buff the Su-34 and nerf the F-15, bs
yeah russian bias, russian planes are so good in this game. wait..
The f15e is the most busted jet in the game what do you mean
Not on cas kid.@@jeffrythedolphin6253
@ not at all lol, it’s supposed to be fast. The US military wouldn’t have used it if it wasn’t faster than previous variants. The brain rot is real with you guys
High on crack my guy, and not the good kind either.
Typicall gajin realases a good nato vechile and then nerfs it, beacuse russian top tier has to be suprime to them
Of course the american jet would be nerfed
Ah yes yet another artificial nerf to US shit
Hey, the russians got their planes artificially nerfed too. Look at the mig 29 and su 27s underperforming flight models. USA still has the best top tiers in the game, so i dont see why you are complaining.
@@martinwellhoefer9159 And missing a ton of thrust too (not even incorrect engines, their engines just do not perfom as they should). They shouldnt be that much worse then F-15E, but its the fastest plane in game, that can reach these speeds easily, unlike any other.
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Nuh uh
cringe
Well didn't really notice the difference. Still dumping russian teams as of late