I don't get why they didn't just give it a fire and forget like mavericks or kh-38, I never believed in bias, but this makes it so hard to not think about it....
@@Roguecjb I agree, but I didn't say that, I don't want them to be auto lock and track. I wanted them to be manual lock and auto track like the mavericks or Kh missiles.
So, a Gimped brimstone, and they move the F4 ICE down in BR while leaving the Tornado f3 late at 13.3, and the f4JUK is still far worse than the F4S at the same br. Yet again Gaijin proves they have a deep hatred for Britain.
They are decent at best. 30+ second flight time if you want to be outside of 12km range, still has 16km max range I believe. So you are still going to be shot down by pantsirs while russian jets can fire Kh-38ML from 20km, reach the target faster and won't even need to face Pantsirs. Better yet they can spawn a Su-34 with 6 Kh-38MTs, fire them all in under 20 seconds of spawning, go back to base to reload and do it again in less than 2 minutes.
"""mighty""" brimstone. Yeah, the missile that is barely faster than a bomb is totally amazing... In all seriousness, the GR4 is a pointless addition and you will die to pansirs, and other aircraft if they spawn in with little to no way to defend yourself
@@mich421 R77 is much better up close than the aim-120, you literally can't compare the kh-38mt with 90 percent of the missiles in game since it literally mogs them in every way possible
I don’t see any point in taking this out over the harrier gr7 with 4 mavericks. Can yeet all 4 mavericks off and land at a heli base. Get an air spawn, rinse and repeat within like 2 minutes. This thing has you flying about waiting 25s for one kill all while you’re vulnerable to SPAA the whole time. It should get fire and forget capability. Especially since USA and Russia get 6 fire and forget missiles each.
The real Brimstone is a fire and forget missile with a dual-mode ARH and laser seeker head. However, because it uses an excellent ARH seeker to lock and track ground targets, Gaijin decided that would be "overpowered" because it can see through smoke. I understand their reasoning for not wanting to add the lock-on-after-launch capability, but a missile with that kind of seeker head wouldn't be that bad. Plus, with the kind of stuff they give to Russia, they have no room to talk about something being "overpowered". A F&F Brimstone would just be evening the playing field at this point. I hardly even use smoke when avoiding AGMs. I use cover. Plus, the Pantsir (or as I like to call it, the "Cancir") could probably detect and shoot them down anyway, which would justify the amount the Tornado can carry.
this is prime example of what i always say about british stuff in this game, their stuff isnt bad it is just everyone else has easier to use equitment leading to trying to use the brit stuff frustrating and not fun to use
everything brits get is either bugged, gimped, or below average compared to the other nation's releases. For example, when supersonics were added the brits got a javelin with a very buggy flight model and would rip itself apart. When f16 and mig 29 were added the brits got a tornado, brimstones being completely gimped and should just get a FnF placeholder and not give it ARH functionality, the tornado GR.4 having a bugged countermeasure pod that gives you no countermeasures at all. the challys being the slowest mbts in the games with one of the worst pens of any top tier mbt. the highest BR jet the british had before the gripen was the harrier gr.7. and the fact that the brimstones have the SAL mode means it should be the brimstone 2 which has double the range but it doesn't. Gaijin just mixed the worst parts of the different brimstone variants into one.
It also doesnt help the UK use very niche madlad technology development routes which either dont translate into the game well or are simply OP as hell for it so are nerfed into less effective systems for "balance".
FlaRakRad fires VT1 missiles with 12km range, we see in the video he easily kills an Ito, which has the exact same missile. In the first battle he also easily avoided at LEAST 2 missiles from a Pantsir after the first one failed to kill him, you can hear the launch warning go off twice before a teammate kills it. If he had fired a brimstone at it (instead of the MBT he was targeting), he would've easily killed the Pantsir despite it targetting him, especially since he later shows you can fire multiple at the same target and they all track, even if the Pantsir tried shooting them down, he'd be able to overwhelm it. People really don't understand how weak SPAA are compared to CAS... the only way this community will be happy is if you can get free kills by pressing spacebar with absolutely no way for anything to fight back.
Great missile? Nice title on your video, Lol You even flying around 4-7km to maintain the laser on target. How can you said it was "great missile" while this "great missile" on flying brick platform. I can do the same thing with my Su-22/17 even at lower br. And the missile faster than this "great missile" and have FnF capability too. Pls, make an objective content.
@@Dudidjududh the Missile sucks. Its supposed to be a fire and forget missile. Now its fire fly slowly over the battlefield so the Pantsir can get a free kill. Its a trash missile and is nowhere near what it should be.
at 5 or more km you rlly should change the laser lock, bc at this distance the enemy render is diff from its real position, and the target lock on the pod track the real position
target lock makes you miss the target from time to time, I use both, depending on situation, with no lock you can choose the exact spot where the missile is going to hit
@@matawg If you press it again so that the circle appears in the square, you can move the circle to select a precise point to hit the tank while still auto tracking the target.
A Shame again, for me its a copy/past AS30L slightly faster, slightly. Same range. Not even fire and forget for this BR where you can dual fire by mixing with a supaa slow PGM!! Gaijin love copy/past! Martel are a shit low-coast of Maverick with bugged weird handling stats in files. And the best they buff the KH 38T recently!
only agm with 20km range or gbu with laser+gps can play in ground rb, because of pantsir, 10 km is just a joke to feed the pantsir even if you notch like you did. Where is the fun if you can only play when no pântsir is there ??
This things DOA like every other tornado. Dont know where your getting its good from. Any SPAA at all and its a wrap for them. They shouldn't have been added in this state. If they dont fit the game dont add them. Dont just artificially nerf them into being trash. But coming out and going were adding a tornado with brimstones* asits major selling point. *****Brimstones are actually slower hellfire in game.
Yeah the gaijin just add this AGM for only UK just for test or something else? It shouldn’t be in that game if other nation CAS have only bomb and rocket to hit the ground bruhh…
This things garbage. the real Brimstones would make top tier unplayable. But instead they just gave them dogshit hellfires that are slower then trash. If theres any SPAA up paying attention this thing will get blown out of the sky lasing its "brimstones" in.
Look dog shit to me, sorry but yes having range is great but its not real range by the time the missile hits your were 5km away from the battlefield and in range of any sam. factor in aswell that you need to hold its hand for 40+ seconds! You lose all situational awareness staring through the scope to make sure your missile hits. Terrible even with 9 be lucky if you manage 2-3 kills before you are just shot down.
This jet is complete garbage and offers so little to virtually nothing useful for a 12.3 ground RB CAS. Quit being a Britain main for other tech trees a year ago and additions like this certainly don't make me regret my decision. Dunno how this jet isn't 11.7 BR, it's not good enough in any aspect to be any higher. Has no search radar besides the horrible "search beyond visual range" mode, beyond horrible flight performance, awful air-to-air payload at a BR where you can't afford to have it(gets eaten alive by Fox 3's) and with all it's nothing but downsides it also has a mediocre air-to-ground loadout that requires it to always fly at higher altitudes making an easy job for Pantsir and Fox 3 to erase it off the map? This jet is useless and top tier Britain aside from the Rooivalk and the Challenger 2E will remain completely useless. Every other jet at this BR can immediately identify all other jets on the battlefield using TWS and fire off 4+ Fox 3's within 5 seconds of spawning in, good luck ever flying this bucket of bolts.
@@ironpizza5150 Brimstones are complete garbage. You have to remain high altitude with a line of sight to your target which means your target also gets a direct line of sight to you and they take forever to get to their destination making you a free kill for 30-50 seconds. PGM's are decent at best. PGM's require you to be flying with a decent altitude to even effectively fire them at targets which puts you in full vision of enemy SPAA. There's a reason why TV guided *missiles* are the meta and TV guided bombs aren't. TV guided missiles can be shot over terrain quickly and allow you to hit the deck immediately to avoid enemy SPAA and make it a one-sided fight. The Tornado has awful flight performance, mediocre munition loadouts and a complete lack of air-to-air capabilities in terms of it's competition. To make it even worse Britain's best SPAA is a mediocre ADATS and the worst version of it at that. Britain just suffers at top tier, no other way to put it.
@GalickTera Have you ever actually ever used the PGMs? PGM practically IS a missile dude. Also did you really say they require decent altitude? Lol. Just did a little test in a test flight. Flying at mach 1, 600 feet altitude, I had a pgm 2000 hit its target from 12 km away... so say again? They have as much range as a kh38, the only downside is that they're slow.
@@ironpizza5150 Yes I've used PGM's plenty, especially on the Tornado Gr.1. They require speed and altitude to be fired at any long distance. They're big and easy to detect on radar, they're slow and leave a massive trail behind them. PGM's are decent at best but by far inferior to TV/IR guided AGM's like Mavericks and KH's. While the newer PGM/3's have a 12km range vs the older PGM 5km tracking lock range, the benefit of that is moving up from 11.3 to 12.3 BR?... The Tornado GR.4 is embarrassing at 12.3 and is a joke compared to the 12.0-12.7 aircraft all the meta countries get.
@GalickTera Sooooo you didn't even fully read my reply... cool. You completely miss the part about a 12 kilometer shot from 600 feet? They do not require high altitude to use whatsoever. Also old PGM track ranges is from 8-5km depending on conditions
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I don't get why they didn't just give it a fire and forget like mavericks or kh-38, I never believed in bias, but this makes it so hard to not think about it....
dude there are so many examples of bias i also try to look at it from a neutral perspective but like... its so many
For the EXACT same reason Gaijin refuses to add the F&F Hellfire Longbow missiles. How is that for bias?
anti-british bias. never call it russian bias because of how HORRIBLE it is in air compared to the rest of NATO
Because firing in the general direction and the missile finding its own target is a few steps too far ahead. Why are you acting as if it's no
@@Roguecjb I agree, but I didn't say that, I don't want them to be auto lock and track. I wanted them to be manual lock and auto track like the mavericks or Kh missiles.
So, a Gimped brimstone, and they move the F4 ICE down in BR while leaving the Tornado f3 late at 13.3, and the f4JUK is still far worse than the F4S at the same br.
Yet again Gaijin proves they have a deep hatred for Britain.
They just want to milk one nation one by one
They are decent at best.
30+ second flight time if you want to be outside of 12km range, still has 16km max range I believe. So you are still going to be shot down by pantsirs while russian jets can fire Kh-38ML from 20km, reach the target faster and won't even need to face Pantsirs. Better yet they can spawn a Su-34 with 6 Kh-38MTs, fire them all in under 20 seconds of spawning, go back to base to reload and do it again in less than 2 minutes.
Gaijin should have not added the brimstone if they're gonna nerf it anyway
they are just clowns
100%
u new in wt? x D
"""mighty""" brimstone. Yeah, the missile that is barely faster than a bomb is totally amazing...
In all seriousness, the GR4 is a pointless addition and you will die to pansirs, and other aircraft if they spawn in with little to no way to defend yourself
They really need to make them faster, they feel even slower than mavericks at the moment
Because now, mavericks are faster.
@@Real_Claudy_Focan Which is unrealistic, Brimstones should be mach 1.4 while Mavericks should be mach 0.9
Brimstone VS kh38 balancing should be studied
AIM 120 AND R77 HAVE ENTERED THE CHAT
@@mich421 aim120 is better irl though
Brimstone got an unrealistic nerf
@@mich421 they are different but hightly depend on altitude, the R77 is as good at hight altitude and retains more speed in close quarters
@@mich421 R77 is much better up close than the aim-120, you literally can't compare the kh-38mt with 90 percent of the missiles in game since it literally mogs them in every way possible
F15e vs any other top-tier jet
this guy glazes tf out everything russian
I don’t see any point in taking this out over the harrier gr7 with 4 mavericks. Can yeet all 4 mavericks off and land at a heli base. Get an air spawn, rinse and repeat within like 2 minutes.
This thing has you flying about waiting 25s for one kill all while you’re vulnerable to SPAA the whole time. It should get fire and forget capability. Especially since USA and Russia get 6 fire and forget missiles each.
America has 6 mavericks for every plane, so it's fair
@@Mario-ht5grhow is it fair when Britain doesn’t get even close to that amount of f&f missiles on any of its cas aircraft
Thats funny joke from Gaijin that Brimstones have only laser guidance. 🙃
They never said they do.
Why is it not fire and forget at least, needing a laser lock is just dumb.
The real Brimstone is a fire and forget missile with a dual-mode ARH and laser seeker head. However, because it uses an excellent ARH seeker to lock and track ground targets, Gaijin decided that would be "overpowered" because it can see through smoke. I understand their reasoning for not wanting to add the lock-on-after-launch capability, but a missile with that kind of seeker head wouldn't be that bad. Plus, with the kind of stuff they give to Russia, they have no room to talk about something being "overpowered". A F&F Brimstone would just be evening the playing field at this point. I hardly even use smoke when avoiding AGMs. I use cover. Plus, the Pantsir (or as I like to call it, the "Cancir") could probably detect and shoot them down anyway, which would justify the amount the Tornado can carry.
@@Ben_Kimbergajin can’t have an equal cuz ofc Russia is the best and fnf brimstones would hurt winrate of Russia
@@Ben_Kimberi think the real issue was that you would kill a LOT of teammates with MMW ARH ATGMs. There's no IFF or anything to mitigate it
@@parad0x1i13don’t say that remember what Russian lost I don’t see my grom1s on my su34 at that point it’s just copeing
@@Ben_Kimber the brimstones in real life can be fired in the general direction and find a target
Top tier cas looks so stressful holy crap.
Thats what happens when gaijin takes a fire and forget missile, and artificially nerfs it into the ground.
this is prime example of what i always say about british stuff in this game, their stuff isnt bad it is just everyone else has easier to use equitment leading to trying to use the brit stuff frustrating and not fun to use
everything brits get is either bugged, gimped, or below average compared to the other nation's releases. For example, when supersonics were added the brits got a javelin with a very buggy flight model and would rip itself apart. When f16 and mig 29 were added the brits got a tornado, brimstones being completely gimped and should just get a FnF placeholder and not give it ARH functionality, the tornado GR.4 having a bugged countermeasure pod that gives you no countermeasures at all. the challys being the slowest mbts in the games with one of the worst pens of any top tier mbt. the highest BR jet the british had before the gripen was the harrier gr.7. and the fact that the brimstones have the SAL mode means it should be the brimstone 2 which has double the range but it doesn't. Gaijin just mixed the worst parts of the different brimstone variants into one.
It also doesnt help the UK use very niche madlad technology development routes which either dont translate into the game well or are simply OP as hell for it so are nerfed into less effective systems for "balance".
The missile has been launched, the flight time to the target is 40 hours.
1 pantsir, Ito, Tor, ADATS or FlaRakRad is all it takes
No, only pantsir, rest wont be able to reach tornado.
I think flakrakrad, tor, and ito could possibly reach it. Adats got like 8 km tops
@Kirito_01422 depends, you could reach 10km but you have to lead a bit more with the adats
still a trash spaa imo, used to be one of the best
FlaRakRad fires VT1 missiles with 12km range, we see in the video he easily kills an Ito, which has the exact same missile. In the first battle he also easily avoided at LEAST 2 missiles from a Pantsir after the first one failed to kill him, you can hear the launch warning go off twice before a teammate kills it. If he had fired a brimstone at it (instead of the MBT he was targeting), he would've easily killed the Pantsir despite it targetting him, especially since he later shows you can fire multiple at the same target and they all track, even if the Pantsir tried shooting them down, he'd be able to overwhelm it. People really don't understand how weak SPAA are compared to CAS... the only way this community will be happy is if you can get free kills by pressing spacebar with absolutely no way for anything to fight back.
Great missile? Nice title on your video, Lol
You even flying around 4-7km to maintain the laser on target. How can you said it was "great missile" while this "great missile" on flying brick platform.
I can do the same thing with my Su-22/17 even at lower br. And the missile faster than this "great missile" and have FnF capability too. Pls, make an objective content.
@@takemikazuchishuichi2269 i can watch an one of TEC's videos entirely before the missile hits its target XD
Unfortunately gaijin decided to make the brimstone so blatantly innacurate that the wt brimstone is basically its own missile😂
Major skill issue on your part if you think they’re bad
@@Dudidjududh the Missile sucks. Its supposed to be a fire and forget missile. Now its fire fly slowly over the battlefield so the Pantsir can get a free kill.
Its a trash missile and is nowhere near what it should be.
@@Dudidjududh They're useable but when compared to other air to ground weapons in game and the brimstone's real life stats it just doesn't compare.
Brimstone debuted in Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown.
I love the new night battles, finnaly no more light, like a night battle should be
Serious question why don't you just lock the laser on targets? Then there is no need to keep it manually locked on target???
I'd be slapped out of existence by a Pantsir S-1 10 seconds after spawning.
at 5 or more km you rlly should change the laser lock, bc at this distance the enemy render is diff from its real position, and the target lock on the pod track the real position
Brickstone
glazer central
It sucks really bad Mat you were suffering the entire video lol
You need to bind target lock on for pods. You’re making it much harder on yourself for no reason
target lock makes you miss the target from time to time, I use both, depending on situation, with no lock you can choose the exact spot where the missile is going to hit
@@matawg You can lock the target and press lock button again to aim more precise while still maintaining the lock
@@matawg If you press it again so that the circle appears in the square, you can move the circle to select a precise point to hit the tank while still auto tracking the target.
im guessing this a dew to them not adding the air to ground radar modes, got the remember this is the first brimstone aswell
yeah they are slow cuz you should fire them all off and then leave
just give it tv or ir seeker and thats it ?
when the f15e cas?
So, I wonder what maximum range it can fire?
Would be nice to have it fire and forget but pretty amazing still
It's not amazing at all... This laser guided Shit is sooo slow on a brick platform. Great combination for a disappointment
It is objectively pretty bad
Do you use ray tracing? I dont see any difference in my game when using it
Я бы им дал ручное управление как буллпап. Против панцырей
Just lock targets god damn
Uhm, why don't you lock them?
Por que vc nao trava o alvo? ta sempre guiando com o mouse... mais fácil travar.
Gaijin, when anti radiation missle?
Hopefully we get the later versions soonish because these seem kinda meh.
great missile ? are you for real ? against s1
A Shame again, for me its a copy/past AS30L slightly faster, slightly. Same range. Not even fire and forget for this BR where you can dual fire by mixing with a supaa slow PGM!! Gaijin love copy/past! Martel are a shit low-coast of Maverick with bugged weird handling stats in files.
And the best they buff the KH 38T recently!
only agm with 20km range or gbu with laser+gps can play in ground rb, because of pantsir, 10 km is just a joke to feed the pantsir even if you notch like you did. Where is the fun if you can only play when no pântsir is there ??
maverick?
This things DOA like every other tornado. Dont know where your getting its good from. Any SPAA at all and its a wrap for them.
They shouldn't have been added in this state. If they dont fit the game dont add them. Dont just artificially nerf them into being trash.
But coming out and going were adding a tornado with brimstones* asits major selling point. *****Brimstones are actually slower hellfire in game.
Yeah the gaijin just add this AGM for only UK just for test or something else? It shouldn’t be in that game if other nation CAS have only bomb and rocket to hit the ground bruhh…
This things garbage. the real Brimstones would make top tier unplayable. But instead they just gave them dogshit hellfires that are slower then trash. If theres any SPAA up paying attention this thing will get blown out of the sky lasing its "brimstones" in.
What?
Garbage. Gaijin corruption again. I can't even watch.
pls sleep
Hi
Look dog shit to me, sorry but yes having range is great but its not real range by the time the missile hits your were 5km away from the battlefield and in range of any sam.
factor in aswell that you need to hold its hand for 40+ seconds! You lose all situational awareness staring through the scope to make sure your missile hits.
Terrible even with 9 be lucky if you manage 2-3 kills before you are just shot down.
i want to know how its anywhere near better then nato missiles the brimstone is garbage
This jet is complete garbage and offers so little to virtually nothing useful for a 12.3 ground RB CAS. Quit being a Britain main for other tech trees a year ago and additions like this certainly don't make me regret my decision. Dunno how this jet isn't 11.7 BR, it's not good enough in any aspect to be any higher. Has no search radar besides the horrible "search beyond visual range" mode, beyond horrible flight performance, awful air-to-air payload at a BR where you can't afford to have it(gets eaten alive by Fox 3's) and with all it's nothing but downsides it also has a mediocre air-to-ground loadout that requires it to always fly at higher altitudes making an easy job for Pantsir and Fox 3 to erase it off the map? This jet is useless and top tier Britain aside from the Rooivalk and the Challenger 2E will remain completely useless. Every other jet at this BR can immediately identify all other jets on the battlefield using TWS and fire off 4+ Fox 3's within 5 seconds of spawning in, good luck ever flying this bucket of bolts.
PGMs are quite good. Fire off 2-3 brimstone aswell as a pgm and most aa systems won't be able to take them all
@@ironpizza5150 Brimstones are complete garbage. You have to remain high altitude with a line of sight to your target which means your target also gets a direct line of sight to you and they take forever to get to their destination making you a free kill for 30-50 seconds. PGM's are decent at best. PGM's require you to be flying with a decent altitude to even effectively fire them at targets which puts you in full vision of enemy SPAA. There's a reason why TV guided *missiles* are the meta and TV guided bombs aren't. TV guided missiles can be shot over terrain quickly and allow you to hit the deck immediately to avoid enemy SPAA and make it a one-sided fight. The Tornado has awful flight performance, mediocre munition loadouts and a complete lack of air-to-air capabilities in terms of it's competition. To make it even worse Britain's best SPAA is a mediocre ADATS and the worst version of it at that. Britain just suffers at top tier, no other way to put it.
@GalickTera Have you ever actually ever used the PGMs? PGM practically IS a missile dude.
Also did you really say they require decent altitude? Lol. Just did a little test in a test flight. Flying at mach 1, 600 feet altitude, I had a pgm 2000 hit its target from 12 km away... so say again? They have as much range as a kh38, the only downside is that they're slow.
@@ironpizza5150 Yes I've used PGM's plenty, especially on the Tornado Gr.1. They require speed and altitude to be fired at any long distance. They're big and easy to detect on radar, they're slow and leave a massive trail behind them. PGM's are decent at best but by far inferior to TV/IR guided AGM's like Mavericks and KH's. While the newer PGM/3's have a 12km range vs the older PGM 5km tracking lock range, the benefit of that is moving up from 11.3 to 12.3 BR?... The Tornado GR.4 is embarrassing at 12.3 and is a joke compared to the 12.0-12.7 aircraft all the meta countries get.
@GalickTera Sooooo you didn't even fully read my reply... cool. You completely miss the part about a 12 kilometer shot from 600 feet? They do not require high altitude to use whatsoever. Also old PGM track ranges is from 8-5km depending on conditions