DOES THE BIBLE TALK ABOUT A FIRE 🔥 BAPTISM?
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
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Some weeks ago I did a text about the baptism in fire, which has created a lot of reactions in many, many people around the world. We got over a thousand comments in a very short time. I got many private messages from people who agree, but also from people who disagree. All of this has led me to do a bigger teaching on the baptism in fire.
What does the Bible really say? I encourage everyone out there, whether you agree or disagree with my article, please see this teaching. By doing this teaching, there are things which have really opened my eyes when it comes to the baptism in fire!
So I encourage you out there - see it! Share it! And let's come back to the Word!
As I said in the beginning of this teaching, there are three groups of people. There are those who agree with me and my teaching, those who disagree but still respect the Word of God, and then the last group who just don't respect the Word of God - for them, it's all about feeling and emotions instead. This is a dangerous place to be!
This teaching is for all three groups, so no matter where you are, give it a chance! Listen to this teaching, and let the Holy Spirit speak to you!
God bless you all out there!
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Teach me your way, O LORD, and I will walk in your truth; give me an UNDIVIDED heart, that I may fear your name. Psalms 86:11
Thank you so much for bringing clarity by the word. My husband told me a few years ago that the baptism of fire was not good, it was judgement, but I didn't believe him. I just want to know the truth and walk in it. When you brought attention through the word that no one else who received the Holy Spirit had a 2nd baptism. I few years ago I believed and even was asking for the fire baptism. I never received it. Thank goodness. A couple of years ago I was coming to the understanding that this baptism is suffering. Just like He told James and John," That they would drink of His cup." So there was still a little confusion on the term. So I am making a decision in my heart to reject all teachings on this fire and will no longer allow their voices to be heard in my home! I love the word and that's the bottom line.!
Learning to submit to one's husband is also spiritually correct. Dear sister, if you haven't already, ask for forgiveness for not listening to your husband in this area.
@@wegwahrheitleben Yes I have. The Lord is teaching me what true submission looks like and to recognize authority, because I've asked Him. I told my husband last night, "Do you remember telling me about the baptism of fire being judgement? He couldn't remember. I said you were right! I'm going to start listening to you.😊
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@@wegwahrheitleben we only listen to our husband as a man (husbands aren't God!). If he doesn't follow God, we still follow God!
@@kimberleydymond5829 this means that you are listening to your husband when he is listening to God. If your husband is deceived, it is not good to listen. Read about Sapphira, and Abigail!
Thank you for sharing this, Torben. This is also confirmed throughout the whole Bible - old and new covenant. Chaff in the Old Testament is used several times to describe the wicked people who continue in sin and will be burned in the fire.
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Fire cleanses and renews and sets a path for new (New wine goes in new wine skins). We are all wicked (slightly bent) but we try our best
This also reminds me of how the Spirit of the Lord came upon Elijah and he burnt up the 2 sets of Captains and their 50. This represents a fiery judgment, but the 3rd set of 50 men and their captain humbled himself before Elijah and repented. Therefore, the angel of the LORD told Elijah to withold back fire judgement. Trust the Word of Yah, we don't want this baptism of fire!
Then the king sent to him a captain of fifty with his fifty men. So he went up to him; and there he was, sitting on the top of a hill. And he spoke to him: “Man of God, the king has said, ‘Come down!’ ” So Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, “If I am a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men.” And fire came down from heaven and consumed him and his fifty. Then he sent to him another captain of fifty with his fifty men. And he answered and said to him: “Man of God, thus has the king said, ‘Come down quickly!’ ” So Elijah answered and said to them, “If I am a man of God, let fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men.” And the fire of God came down from heaven and consumed him and his fifty. Again, he sent a third captain of fifty with his fifty men. And the third captain of fifty went up, and came and fell on his knees before Elijah, and pleaded with him, and said to him: “Man of God, please let my life and the life of these fifty servants of yours be precious in your sight. Look, fire has come down from heaven and burned up the first two captains of fifties with their fifties. But let my life now be precious in your sight.” And the angel of the Lord said to Elijah, “Go down with him; do not be afraid of him.” So he arose and went down with him to the king.
II Kings 1:9-15 NKJV
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Holy Spirit purges me with fire, a heavy conviction of sin, to rid me of the things of this world. I welcome this cleansing, purging fire in my life. I always ask Holy Spirit to deal with me severely, and He does...because I hate the things of this world.
Hallelujah
Oh man i love that line "if you think you can't be decived , you are already decived" .. isn't that true.
Very good and clear explanation. Thank you so much for explaining what this fire is about and that the context teaches it. So easy to get carried away with a verse or verses taken out of context.
Amen, I also saw christians saying they were baptized with fire, and I was curious why they would say that, so I looked up the verse, and I saw John mentioned the baptism of the Holy Ghost, and of Fire, now if its the verse alone, we could think Jesus will give Christians the baptism of the Holy Ghost, and the baptism of fire, but the comparison John gives with the wheat and the chaff, and that the chaff will be thrown into the fire, I came to realization that the baptism of fire is not something a Christian wants, and I am happy im not alone on this, many christians do rely on their feelings and their emotions rather than the word of God, a fool trusts his own heart, we cannot rely on feeling, we rely on what God has said, the grace and spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you Torben, you do so much for the kingdom, you are loved. Amen
Signs and wonders could be feelings and emotions no?
I think context is important, Chaff is not something separate from the wheat.
The Chaff is an outer husk or the external attachment to the wheat. To winnow and burn off the chaff is to remove the outer husk that exists on a seed which is useless.
Definition of Chaff:
The chaff is the husk surrounding a seed, the part of the grain that is generally thrown away. In cereal crops like rice, barley, oats, and wheat, the seed - the part of the plant that we eat - is surrounded by a husk.
@@acaciarose2578 but you dont burn the chaff off of the wheat, you separate the 2 using a fan, or even the wind, and since the chaff is light, and the grain is heavy, it will make a clear separation, thats is why in verse 12 John brings up the fan, the fan is there for separation, and the grain is put into the barn, and the chaff being useless is thrown into the fire. Amen
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Mathew 3:12
12 (A)His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will (B)burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
Chaff:
The chaff is the husk surrounding a seed, the part of the grain that is generally thrown away. In cereal crops like rice, barley, oats, and wheat, the seed - the part of the plant that we eat - is surrounded by a husk.
@@Patrick_Kozma chaff is something that exists on wheat that renders wheat unusable if it is not removed
David Wilkerson also warned against something like this a couple of years before he died.
So simple to understand as long as you don't read out of context. Excellent video Torben! I will share and make sure my fellowship understands this truth. So clear! Be blessed my friend 🙏
Many who got the "baptism of fire" may need deliverance if they got a false spirit. We have casted out demons ourselves from some who got this and thought it was from the Holy Spirit. They were deceived and they invited another spirit.
God bless you Bro. Torbin. The world certainly needs the clear and certain sound that comes from rightly dividing the Word of Truth. Beloved let us not think it strange the fiery trial which is to test our faith, for we shall be as gold tried in the fire, after we have finished our course. Praise the Lord Jesus for leading us through each one!
I love this video as it covers so many important points. You said it very well in the beginning - and it is sad that the group out there that is led only by their experience and emotions is so big and the deception is so deep. I have traveled the western U.S. for over 15 years and there are so many churches and church groups that are this way. Out of the many people I have met and known, I would say more than 50% are immersed in and following this deception. Thanks for continuing to explain the truth and expose the lies and deceptions of false doctrines and teachings.
God bless you always Torben. You really are the Tree who bears good fruits & The Wheat in the barn... With this, you not only teach us about this very important subject, but also show us to "Read in Spirit" our Bible. It amazes me how serious and objective u take the things of our Lord Jesus Christ! Thanks for share you thoughts and time with us. I do absolutely don't take u for granted. 👼
This is a good thorough teaching which is much needed. So many conversations in general get taken out of context. Scripture is taken even more out of context.
I see it the way Torben explains it because the bible must be read carefully and read in context. Jesus spoke in many parables for good reason.
Test the spirits by the Holy Spirit. So many can unknowingly invite these others spirits which leads to deception. Thank God the Lord is patient for us to learn and discern when we get burned. And we do get burned by various spirits who deceive us time after time. I am a witness to that. It is real and is no joke. We stay vigilant. We keep learning our lessons. We stay focused on Christ and he will lead us into the deeper mysteries.
Matthew 7:7-8
King James Version
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Hallelujah!
oh, my gosh! how can u say like this!. I have received baptism of fire! I have received speaking tougue 30 years ago but I didn't continue prayed . However when I had a great trial on my life later, I keep the faith and praying in tougue intensely for 5 month and all of sudden my two hands burning like fire. whenever I pray in tougue, my surrounding air feel warm or hot and sometimes electricity and my two hands burning like fire. these fires very sensitive to hearing spritual songs and some sermons. which means if I am at church worship, feeling heat around me and my hands start burning like fire. also when I lay hands on sick, power transfer to other person. later I learnt this is baptism with fire or anointing because it feels like fire and keep pouring down on when I pray.
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God is so incredibly intelligent that on many occasions he has words actions, dates and times that all coincide with more than one meaning. I believe wisdom will say that God may have more than one meaning for this. The word deceived is used too loosely today. To believe something initially that may not be 100% correct should not be considered that definition. Knowledge is a growing attribute of humanity. One day we are settled with a definition and years go by before we see it different. We are all on different paths trying to get to Jesus the Christ. If I don’t agree with something you believe then I would not say that your deceived no more than I would tell a 4 year old that his understanding is . We are all children growing up into Christ so that one day we will act like the sons that were supposed to be. Most of our understanding is assumed by us all until we have a personal revelation and then we have just begun to understand what a word means. There’s so much more to understand about any given word than what we are touching here and now.
Amen. I agree that certain portions have more then one meaning. And it's not good nor healthy to get defensive and up in arms over an interpretation.
I understand that Torben is representing the Reformed theologies view of fire baptism, taught by men like McArthur. I also understand Torben had a falling away from the charismania that went on in the 2000s and picked up alot of reformed theology to supplement that. Which is certainly where this interpretation of fire baptism stems from. As this is the baptists, calvinists and reformed camps interpretation of this issue.
I don't agree with him on it and on a separate video made the case for the purrifying and refining power of the Holy Spirit many charismatics understand the Holy Ghost and Fire to mean. So I mean, in my view it's really not a matter of deception, it's a matter of the proper interpretation of a minor doctrine.
Bottom line is Jesus was clear as crystal when He said if u ask for the Holy Ghost you won't receive a demon. (What He meant by serpent) and He said this to ease everyone's fears. It's terrible to provoke people to fear over anything less then that. If you preach that asking God for a baptism of the Holy Ghost and Fire, as mentioned by John The Baptist, is going to get you a demon. I have an issue with that. Very against the Word and it is promoting a spirit of fear and division in the Body of Christ.
Especially since this really comes down to the Reformed Camp vs the Charismatic camps interpretation of that portion of scripture.
Yess we all know in part and see in part, I find that whenever the Lord shows me something there are almost always multi layers and facets to one thing He has spoken! When we disregard another facet, we are disregarding another perspective of a multifaceted cube.
Yet Jesus CLEARLY warned over and over the dangers of fire. It takes some purposeful ignorance and mental gymnastics to 'interpret' burning in fire as anything good...
@@vsnfjjnwjd THAT refining is through trials, and in those trials to put on the mind of our Messiah: taking every thought captive and making it obedient. The fire torben referenced that people make 'baptism of fire' ministries or parties is not the refining fire for YHWH's followers, it is for judgement. Final judgement. See, we get taken OUT of the fire, dross or impurities scraped off or removed, and then dunked in cool water for further strengthening. That judgement fire referred to by this teaching-The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
@@vsnfjjnwjd fire=bad. Pain receptors were programmed to warn. Only when we are obeying the Spirit, and we are persecuted because of it; like this: (Jer 19 This is what the Lord said to me: “Go and buy a clay jar. Then ask some of the leaders of the people and of the priests to follow you. 2 Go out through the Gate of Broken Pots to the garbage dump in the valley of Ben-Hinnom, and give them this message. 3 Say to them, ‘Listen to this message from the Lord, you kings of Judah and citizens of Jerusalem! This is what the Lord of Heaven’s Armies, the God of Israel, says: I will bring a terrible disaster on this place, and the ears of those who hear about it will ring!
4 “‘For Israel has forsaken me and turned this valley into a place of wickedness. The people burn incense to foreign gods-idols never before acknowledged by this generation, by their ancestors, or by the kings of Judah. And they have filled this place with the blood of innocent children. 5 They have built pagan shrines to Baal, and there they burn their sons as sacrifices to Baal. I have never commanded such a horrible deed; it never even crossed my mind to command such a thing! 6 So beware, for the time is coming, says the Lord, when this garbage dump will no longer be called Topheth or the valley of Ben-Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter. After this prophecy from God, he was imprisoned for prophesying.) would we be persecuted for righteousness' sake, thus 'put in the refiners fire' or if we willfully sin, and God deems us able to learn from that. It really boils down to being FILLED with the Holy Spirit. If you are FULL, there's no room for more!
Very clear and truth explaining this baptism.
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This is a huge movement in the church and this was helpful. Can you do a teaching on being slain in the spirit and if its biblical??
In no way shape or form is it biblical but the devil knows how to twist scripture be very careful
True dat. We must have foundation AND context!
remember Torben, first 120 were baptized in fire, (i.e. “cloven tongues of fire” in Act.2:3) Only then and then ONLY they spoke in tongues (ver.4). Even Paul tells Timothy to “stir” which meaning in Strong’s is to “rekindle” in 1 Tim. 1:6. i.e kindling of a fire had to be initiated by us. Just because some of the evangelists had fallen in sin, doesn’t mean everyone had, for example Rinart Bonkke. He always says “FIRE”.
As of fire….
@@TheLastReformation I see that there a difference in the tongues people of today speak and the tongues spoken in acts. I hear a lot of repeated sounds that do not sound like a language at all. In acts, the people said, how is it we hear them speaking in our own languages , the great things of god? That is so different from most people I hear speaking in tongues. When I speak in tongues, it literally sounds like a conversation in a foreign language. But many times I hear people just saying lalalalala, bababa, bebebebe or groaning likes they are an animal in pain. Hooting and hollering. And when I hear it, something twists in my gut like a disgust. Something seems off to me with these people. Also, while I have your attention, I've tried several times to make contact with those on your map for Ohio and only got one response. But they said they don't feel qualified to help me. I still struggle with some sins of my past life. I hate it and do not understand how I'm speaking in tongues, yet still struggle with certain sins. Does this mean I'm not truly saved, nor truly baptized in the spirit? I'm very concerned. Plus, I need healing. I have spinal cord damage with paraplegic, severe neuropathy, eroding discs, and one leg is 1 whole inch shorter than the other. Also have internal seizures. I need help. I need healing and deliverance from the spirit of timidity, so I can work the harvest. I know you are a very busy man, Torben, but I really need some help. I'm lacking and I know it. It grieves me.
Thank you for the great explanation, Torben!
So so Clear,,Thank you Holy Spirit for the Mystery was reveal to us through Brother Torben..
Thank you, Torben, for this explanation.
I have heard references made to "Holy Ghost fire", but they were always referring to stirring up the gift within you.
The Holy Ghost gives us power to witness to others.
There are, I think, those who realize the Holy Ghost is a refining process over a lifetime.
I never heard of any 2nd baptism by the Holy Ghost.
Also, when not based on the Word, lots of things can look attractive. And regarding the Todd Bentley's of this world, the gifts & calling of God are without repentance, it doesn't mean everything they do is right. The Word of God is the plumb line we will be judged by, & there is a huge difference between someone who sins but repents, turns away from that sin, or those who go on in sin, even publicly, never admitting their sin, which is the same as denying Jesus Christ who bought them. The truth always comes out eventually.
Keep keepin' on, Torben & TLR in the mighty name of Jesus!
The Bible don’t use the word Holy Ghost fire.
@@TheLastReformation it doesnt...But there is no problem with saying Holy ghost fire as long as you have the right understanding...
Just like how we don't find the Apostles Creed or the Trinity in the Bible...but yet we use it
Holy ghost fire will simply mean the power of the Holy Ghost...
You can refer to it as fire because of the feeling it generates in the body
@@jacquelineooooo God is 3 roles/responsibilities/offices in 1 person. 1 John 5:7 reads: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Amen, if we entertain any sin we are open to deception.
God bless you for this teaching. Thank you Thorben.
Thank you for seeing a need searching scripture and Blessing us with wisdom relieving us of confusion. Thankful Glory2GOD
1Pet1:7 reminded me of 1 Pet4:17, 1Thes1:3-7 and also 1Cor3:15 - all pointing to believer's faith being tested and tried through trials and tribulation AS THROUGH FIRE. I always thought this to be the 'baptism .... of fire' i.e a symbolic meaning of suffering to purify us or sometimes to share in Christ's suffering.
Fantastic… solid biblical lesson. I love testing because the truth of God’s Word sifts the discrepancies away. One can stand firm on what was said. God is good !
Jesus is amazing, amen
Major on the majors and minor on the minors. Torben is a gift to America. He hasn't come from a culture of Christian superstars. I love his teaching and especially that he puts it into action.
Great understanding of the Word of Truth. Thank you for sharing what you have learned.
I was in Washington when at my church met a younger guy who saw my pain and invited me too a prayer group. At the end of our group meeting 20 people put their hands on me and started talking in tongues, some people clicked others hummed and others said different kinds of words. I was able too feel every single person and their effect on me. I felt very dense energies be pulled out of me and released. I've always been very connected too energy and that makes me question how worthy I am. But the experience didn't seem like evil or anything, everyone's intentions was to help. But the very next day when I woke up I had the bluest eyes I've ever had and spent the day happy but I naturally wanted to judge others. If it wasn't the holy spirit what was it? If people call apon Jesus and something comes is that really not his spirit? When we gather in his name isn't he always there? Can we not do the things Jesus did, didn't he state there would be a time where we did and more?
Hello, the bottom line is when you receive Holy Spirit that is the fire, I heard the word for spirit has to do with wind breath fire… so baptism of Holy Spirit/fire is only one baptism.
There’s people who say you need 2 baptisms, so Torben is correcting that.
any spirit has energy, so you want to make sure it’s Holy Spirit, that it comes with the fruit of the spirit- love Joy peace etc..
That's esoteric stuff and has nothing to do with God's word! Please read your bible. The Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of God. He is a person and not an energy or power how some people claim!
@@andreaWBW I just don't put a ceiling on God. God's above all principalities. Tho we live in duality God can move things as he pleases. You are allowed too know things, Jesus said "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me". Hosea 4:6
I now received understanding of the fire, preacher's preach herecy, I have a good understanding praise God, yes brother speak the truth of God's word
Let me tell you...I was baptized with fire! It was 100 %, unequivocally, damnation. This happened 20 years ago, seconds after rejecting Jesus the Living Christ. We don't go to Hell for "sins," we go to Hell for the (SIN) of UNBELIEF into Jesus. Also, believing "in" Jesus won't save anyone but it's a start. I seen Him and therefore Believed "in" him but didn't Believe INTO Him. Not long after that fire baptism, I went to my brother's wedding. "The wedding feast." And was told...."I missed out" over and over again.
In the last 20 years, I haven't met one person who was baptized with fire(damnation) by God, nor even came across a comment from RUclips of someone that did. Where are these people, other than myself?? I certainly would like to hear their experience.
If someone tells me that I'm now reserved for hell....I 'll say this, "because of that Horrifying baptism, being immersed in hell, being one with Hell, I now know what it means to believe INTO Jesus. You have to put the WEIGHT of YOUR ENTIRE EXISTENCE INTO the person Jesus Christ and INTO Him Alone for your Salvation. There is no holding back anything!!!" It's NOT YOU and JESUS but rather, it's... YOU OR JESUS. He that will save his life will lose it (hell) but he that will lose his life for my name's sake shall find it. So if I'm reserved for damnation, then why do I have This Truth Reign in my heart for the last 20 years? And Jesus is TRUTH. There are too many deceived"Christians." An easy Believism is a lie and a work based salvation is another lie.
Let me put it like this ...if The Living Christ stood before you right now....don't just stand there and "do church" by singing Glory, Glory, Hallelujah and shout I believe"in" Jesus because there He is right in front of me, 10 feet away. That won't give you LIFE. Instead....WALK INTO THE LIVING CHRIST TO RECEIVE LIFE!
He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
John 5 56
Baptism of fire is the day of the Lord. When He cast the tares into the fire. Often times when people just yell fire fire fire it’s usually to cast out demons (which in my experience do respond and are literally tormented when you say fire with faith) or it’s to impart a Kundalini spirit.
We must find a thing in the WORD! The WORD is the plumb line.
If God is in you, then "Something" of God should be coming out !
1 Corinthians 6:19
“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?”
Aaaaamen brother! This video helps very very much!
I was Baptized the same as you; as you have explained. You are the first one I have ever heard of that has had the same experience.
Yes I had the same experience!!!
Instead of getting caught up with all the different understandings of baptism of fire, maybe we can step back and look at things that are crystal clear in the bible and live out our faith that way. If we don’t have Fruit of the Spirit, however spiritual gifted we are or whatever baptism of fire we get doesn’t matter.
Luke 12:49 “I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished!
1Peter 2:19 “ For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God. For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth;”
Matthew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
I APPRECIATE MUCH OF THE MINISTRY THE LORD HAS GIVEN TORBEN.
HIS EXPLANATION IS ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
I SEE IT AS BOTH THE SAME, JUST AS ON PENTECOST THEY WERE FILLED WITH HOLY SPIRIT AND TONGUES AS FIRE RESTED ON EACH ONE.
THAT'S MY VIEW.
GOING HOME SOON!
MARANATHA!
Very thorough teaching! Agreed 👍🏻
What about when John The Baptist said: Matthew 3:11 ------------------------------------11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: (before the Crucifixion)? can you please explain ? Yes read next verse: 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.” YAY!!! 🤔 🙏 ❤
I talk about that verse in the video
@@TheLastReformation yes I know I did not finish my post..
Brother Tom, I don't know you at all but what you speak is the truth. It's exactly what we read in the Bible not what other preaching. I don't think it's a long video to explain the difference to people. Thank you for making this video. ❤️
Bless you 😇🙏 much for truly ❤️ explaining 🙏 the true meaning of the Holly 🙏 spirit of God Amen even so come guickly Lord Jesus 🙏 Christ Amen (thanks 😊 again brother in Christ Jesus 🙏 Amen) love you all
Everyone needs to hear that! Amazing!!!
Wow.... Thank you for clarifing this Torben. I dont see how anybody can argue your point after watching this. I would LOVE to attend a kickstart weekend do you have any plans to come to the South East USA? I live in NW Florida near the Alabama line. ~Blessings
The word baptism derives from the Greek term which means to be immersed, of a liquid, of a fluid, etc. The apostle Paul says that the people of God were baptized in fire while crossing in the desert because the cloud and the fire accompanied them. So we can say that when we go outside in cloudy weather, we are enveloped in cloud, or we are baptized cloud, since the cloud envelops us. There is nothing mysterious, the word baptism is synonymous with being immersed. It's the same with the baptism of fire, there are people who are constantly enveloped in the fire of God. In this case, they are baptized with fire. There are other people who are at some point in their lives being invaded by the spirit of God like fire. It is a phenomenon that exists. In conclusion, it all depends on the experience we have with God. If one has experienced this immersion in the spirit of God and in fire, then one is convinced that it is baptism. If we have not had this experience, it is better not to be categorized on our opinion and to juge our brother and sister.
I agree. It's true. John the Baptist was referring to judgement in Matt 3. And the Holy Spirit baptism is all we need. There is no other Baptism.
However, God is infinite, and He gives His children wonderful gifts according to our knowledge of Him. So it is wrong to assume/teach that there is no spiritual fire element to our lives in God.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego were cast into the Fire that was 7x hotter(7 represents Christ Jesus/Holy Spirit).
But they were not touched by the fire, and neither did their clothes smell like it. However the ropes which bound them were burned and removed. And all 3 of them were walking in the fire with Jesus the 4th person.
So just like the burning bush God used to draw Moses that was not consumed, there is a Holy Fire element available to Gods children who walk in righteousness, that is not for their punishment but is instead intended to destroy bondages, yolks, chains, and demonic strongholds, curses, attachments. The fire baptism is not for us who walk with the Lord but it is a weapon we have available to purge our lives and other peoples lives of the enemies works. It is a fire that is not against us, but we are empowered by God to walk through it with Jesus. It doesn't touch us but it prevents the enemy from coming near us.
Isaiah 33:14-15
“Who among us can live with the consuming fire? Who among us can live with continual burning?” He who walks righteously and speaks with sincerity, He who rejects unjust gain And shakes his hands so that they hold no bribe; He who stops his ears from hearing about bloodshed And shuts his eyes from looking upon evil;
Isaiah 33:14-15 NASB1995
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Jesus CLEARLY warned over and over the dangers of fire. It takes some purposeful ignorance and mental gymnastics to 'interpret' burning in fire as anything good...
@@beckyd3546 of course from a physical human creature's perspective who is afraid of judgement you are right. But if any man be in Christ he is a completely new creature; the old has completely passed and the new has completely come. 2 Corinthians 5:17
Our new life is found in Jesus Himself Who has all power. So what should our new lives in Him look like?
In Ezekiel 28:14 God is talking to Lucifer, Who He created Perfect and then placed him on His Holy Mountain where he "walked in the midst of the stones of fire". That was Gods will due to His Love and blessing for Lucifer, not His judgement.
So the way we think and live is also supposed to be completely new. It's not supposed to look or feel like we used to be when we were strictly physical creatures with dead spirits driven by fear.
So anyways becky, I'm not doing any gymnastics. I simply am a new creature and I know Jesus and I use His Word to define my life. You should also use his Word if you want to claim something.
So please go ahead and post some scriptures to prove yourself. Without scripture you have no grounds for correcting or reproving anyone.
2 Corinthians 5:16
Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer.
2 Corinthians 5:16 NASB1995
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@@KyleGFord bro, 'correcting' or 'reproving' is the job of the Spirit, not you or I. This space is a message board existing in a false reality. How do you even know I'm not a bot? The fact that you felt it necessary to respond means something....
@@beckyd3546 you clearly don't practice what you preach because you first replied to me to criticize and correct me. If correcting and reproving is only the Holy Spirits job then according to your logic, Torben should have never made this correcting video and you should have never replied to my comment in attempt to correct me. Your logic is clearly biased, flawed, and unbiblical.
Learn about Gods Word before you go belittling others and trying to silence people.
ITS A GOOD THING, in other words the old is past away. No leaven no chaff no tares...our God is a consuming fire. His fire is greater than the water 💧he is greater than his creation his blood conquers all. His fan is in his hand to burn away anything including false doctrine or misinterpretation. Preach the cross the blood preach Jesus not water alone.
The fire of God is there to burn away and of the stuff that’s not of God in us. Jesus said clearly I will baptize you in the Holy Spirit and fire. I believe the fire is both experiential and part of everyday life. The fire of God is all the situations that cause things to rise up in you that’s not of God so he can change those things.
But I’ve experienced the fire of God multiple times including while praying in tounges. One time for example I was camping on top of a mountain where it was cold and I was praying in tounges and all the sudden I started getting warm and feeling the fire.
Another time I went to this guys house and the man prays anywhere from 3-13 hours a day. His house was full of the presence and fire of God. Just walking in I felt the fire and was getting sweaty. When I say the fire I mean I was feeling it in the spirit. It had nothing to do with the the temp in the room.
It is very clear.
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Brother , this is in part referring to the separation of the wheat and tares. The holy spirit well energize the spirit inside which came from our father, as we are his children. The fire is a breaking down of the body so the generational evil/sins/negitive will "fall". I kinda hope our spirit can produce/manifest another body, simular to what Jesus did after he died. With enough holy spirit boosting us and guidence from Jesus, it should be possible. This may not jive with some preconceptions many churches have , but they havent figured out reality, as i have been doing for the last 5yrs. The physical and the spiritual is very intertwined and very close to the same thing. Euro Christianity has done a good job separating the two and dissociating the spirit/energy foundation from our physical reality. Many still know tho, mainly occultest , Tesla did; he understood it from a technical stand point as i have learned. 5 yrs ago i walked away from EVERYTHING (job,money,friends) to figure out how physical reality is changing retroactivly and our memories are being messed with. Turns out there are natural and evil manipulation reasons for this. When the antichrist comes as a god, you best have spiritual strenght and no fear of the reality infront of your eyes.
Thank you LORD JESUS CHRIST.
After looking up some comments below, PLENTY ARE STILL DECEIVE, please read the word yourself and SEE THE TRUTH YOURSELF..if you don't see it you have a big problem..well said brother Torben..JESUS IS IN CONTROL FEAR HIM AND KEEP OBEYING HIM AND LOVE HIM. cheers
Those who have ears to hear what the Spirit is speaking through Torben will receive his sound teaching. Because it is what the Word says.
"Our God is a consuming fire." (Heb.12: 29) and His Spirit is revealed to us as fire (Rev.4: 5). On the day of Pentecost He manifested Himself as fire, as He filled His temple. Just as the prophecy of Malachi says: “And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple... --- ...But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears?
For He is like a refiner’s fire and like launderers’ soap. He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer to the Lord an offering in righteousness." (Mal.3: 1-3) This is the baptism in the Holy Spirit and fire. He sanctifies! He is Holy Holy Holy Spirit! Here can the true sanctification only be experienced - in the Spirit of God (2.Thess.2: 13-14)! We are talking about the essence of God Himself who is fire. Even the eyes of the Son are like a flame of fire. Fire speaks of God's perfect holiness; it speaks of the revelation of God Himself (Exodus 3); and according to Song of Songs, also love (Songs.8: 6). I have come to (just a tiniest bit) to know God as terrifyingly holy fire, making you just tremble before Him in holy fear and awe (Hebr.12: 28). "Be silent, all flesh, before the Lord, for He is aroused from His holy habitation!” (Zechariah.2: 13) And yes, God's righteous judgment and wrath against all who are unrighteous, is revealed in FIRE, and they will burn in hell forever. Bible says, Jesus is coming back "in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ." (2.Thess.1: 8)
here two a short compilations:
Leonard Ravenhill - Valley of decision
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We need fire (Keith Collins/Dr. Michael L. Brown/ )
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Thank you so much for this video ❤️
Luke 3:16 says Holy Spirit & Fire 🔥
Yes it do. Salvation and judgement.
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This is my position. Matthew 3:11
New English Translation
11 “I baptize you with water, for repentance, but the one coming after me is more powerful than I am-I am not worthy[a] to carry his sandals! He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.[b]
With the Holy Spirit and fire. There are differing interpretations for this phrase regarding the number of baptisms and their nature. (1) Some see one baptism here, and this can be divided further into two options. (a) The baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire could refer to the cleansing, purifying work of the Spirit in the individual believer through salvation and sanctification, or (b) it could refer to two different results of Christ’s ministry: Some accept Christ and are baptized with the Holy Spirit, but some reject him and receive judgment. (2) Other interpreters see two baptisms here: The baptism of the Holy Spirit refers to the salvation Jesus brings at his first advent, in which believers receive the Holy Spirit, and the baptism of fire refers to the judgment Jesus will bring upon the world at his second coming. One must take into account both the image of fire and whether individual or corporate baptism is in view. A decision is not easy on either issue. The image of fire is used to refer to both eternal judgment (e.g., Matt 25:41) and the power of the Lord’s presence to purge and cleanse his people (e.g., Isa 4:4-5). The pouring out of the Spirit at Pentecost, a fulfillment of this prophecy no matter which interpretation is taken, had both individual and corporate dimensions. It is possible that since Holy Spirit and fire are governed by a single preposition in Greek, the one-baptism view may be more likely, but this is not certain. Simply put, there is no consensus view in scholarship at this time on the best interpretation of this passage.
That is why we do not read the verse alone, John told us what he meant by fire.
Matthew 3 : 11 - 12 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Jesus will baptize us with the Holy Ghost, and with fire. Then John says, "Whose fan is in his hand" what is the fan used for? The fan is used to separate the light dried out chaff with the heavy grain, the wind motion will separate the two, and it says he will gather the wheat into the garner, and burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire, the context of this verse proves to us what John meant by the baptism of the Holy Ghost, and the baptism of fire, there is no way for misinterpretation because John explained what he had meant, the only way for misinterpretation is if you read verse 11 alone. Amen
"Simply put, there is no consensus view in scholarship at this time on the best interpretation of this passage.
" Well then, it is a good thing that Yeshua left us with the Holy Spirit to guide us in all things: If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever- the Spirit of truth.
@@beckyd3546 Amen! The Holy Spirit will lead us to all r elation. Something he taught me is to never lean on my own understanding. The letter kills but the spirit brings life
Yes exactly 🙏
thank you Mr. Torben.very well said.now its so clear to me that there is no really baptism of fire becoz i remeber before i joined the foundational class in our church and they thought us about that.
Disciples on the road - God will protect you in France.
dear God please forgive me of my sins
Yes, WE MUST TEST! 1 John 2:26,27 Holy Spirit REVEAL AND EXPOSE ALL DARKNESS AND EVIL. This is my prayer ALWAYS and HE DOES REVEAL IT! 1 Corinthians 13 is KEY to this. satan has NO LOVE IN him! Thank you Lord ❤️Amen 🙏🏻 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thank you for explain it sooooo clear :) So much patience and "fire" to get that right !! I sometimes think, watching an "explain video", I wouldn't have the nerve, explain it soooooo detailed and patience :D I like the burning, to get things clear in context!! Thank you, thank Jesus for all you did for us !! 🙏👑❤
Ah, one thing came into my mind and miss at the video:
When someone got it clear now and realize, he or she has received some false spirit, what should they do??
Finding good deliverance is harder find, than got the wrong stuff ... :/
Yes, many 'deliverance' groups are just vampiric demoniacs.
@@beckyd3546 😞
@@beckyd3546 thats not helping at all
Go to the TLR map and look for a green marker near you when it comes to deliverance, baptism, discipleship and so on ...
@@Koenigs-Tochter warning people about strange deliverance ministries is not helping?...When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Wonderful, thank you Torben thank you! It’s amazing So much info.
Torben is right… there is only one Holy Spirit baptism.
My comment is about when father God baptized Jesus with the Holy Spirit the day he met John the Baptist, the Holy Spirit descended on him like a dove, not like a fire.
It’s interesting thing is Before Pentecost, Jesus told them the Spirit is with you and will live in you, and he breathed air to the apostles and said receive the Holy Spirit.
But we come after Pentecost so we receive every thing at once.
The word Spirit is associated with the Hebrew word fire.
1 Thessalonians 5:19 also says do not quench the Spirit’s fire. also remember in revelation before the throne of God are 7 lamps Ablaze, which are the 7 spirits of God. And Jesus said he and the father will live in you (our God is an all consuming fire). I think the Holy Spirit came upon the apostles like flickering flames. Not like a tongue? Because the tongue should be inside of a mouth I mean a tongue by itself cannot speak.
So I think we are the light and salt of the world because Holy Spirit in us is a light. And also Jesus said that rivers of living water will flow from our inner most being.
Sometimes it’s hard to understand, Kind of like the Trinity. Ok is it fire or water haha. Well the gift of tongues is that River of living water flowing from your belly.
Also it says judgement begins in God’s house, so there is refining for the church, and there is conviction from the Holy Spirit.
Apostle John said there are 3 which testify the blood, the water, and the spirit.
Remember The spiritual is more real than the physical.
In hell the spiritual lake of fire, there is a black all consuming fire, it even hurts to breath. It’s eternal purification but there is no end to it.
I'm a believer in Christ and the Holy Godhead, but my life is worsening day by day. I don't feel like I have ever been baptized by the Holy Spirit. I've technically never been baptized for that matter. My parents had me baptized when I was a baby by the Catholic church, but I do not believe in Catholicism. I would simply say I'm a Christian. A Christian who is enduring tribulation beyond much I even know how to handle. The more I pray, the worse things seem to get. I don't know how to please God at all it would seem. However, I'm very happy I found you here on youtube. I'm listening often and love what you say. Please, if one has any advice or prayers for me, I could certainly use them both. Thank you.
Repent
Believe in Jesus Christ
Pray + read the Bible every day
Cry out to our Father in Heaven
In the name of Jesus
Ask Jesus Christ to help you, not man
Have you repented from Catholic idolatry?
Catholics worship a false Jesus.
Have you admitted all your sins to Jesus and ask him to help you ?
Catholics worship Satan, like anyone else who does not call on Jesus Christ name, to receive forgiveness of sins
May The Lord Jesus Bless you
Being a Christian is no easy walk
Satan will attack you , daily
You can only please or love God by obeying his commands
Forgive , be forgiven
Love one another as Jesus has loved you
I hope your relationship has grown since your post.
Jesus Christ is faithful, even when we aren't
Amen
@@justinalanfeitzinger529 Thank you for the reply.
I do agree about Catholicism. Their Jesus isn't our Jesus.
NKJV Bible. Matthew 4:4
[4]But Jesus answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
Acts 22:16
[16]And now why do you wait ? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Acts 2:37-38
Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Thanks for this teaching series. I see much clearer in somethings now. I got a question. About casting out demons, whats your thought of casting out demons of people that has not yet repented? Im thinking of mat12:43-45
Thank you so much.
We cannot receive the 'baptism of fire by suffering' from another person (with the laying on of hands and prayer). We may only receive it by obeying His Spirit's voice and moving into action.
Evil will slay the wicked
the foes of the righteous
will be condemned.
The Lord redeems His servants ;
No one will be condemned
who take refuge in Him.
Psalm 34 : 21 - 22.
Not trying to be rude I am a born again Christian. Why do you think Jesus put the word fire in the subject of baptism? Like why didnt he say there is one who comes to baptize you in the Holy Spirit and that was the end of the conversation? Why is the word fire included under the context of baptism?
Could you please tell me why I seen a really big fire shooting up into the sky in the town I live in ,while I was in prayer and worship, and at the same time the mountain near my town caught on fire at the same time I seen this massive fire coming up into the sky, I've been sent to this town by God, and I have been praying for this town, so what could this fire mean then?
I did feel like it was a supernatural fire to do with God, not a bush fire .
I think a lot when they say “baptism of fire” mean “like fire”. Could be wrong, but just saying.
The fire in Matthew 3:11 is judgment. I understand and have felt physical manifestations, an electricity, a fire so to speak. And I have prayed in tongues. I don’t anymore.
Like many, I was biblical but doctrinally incorrect because I wasn’t dispensational. I had failed to study the Scriptures as it commands in 2Timothy 2:15 KJV, rightly divided.
Per Ephesians 2:12; Matthew 10:5-6; Matthew 15:23-24; Acts 10:28 KJV, the Lord Jesus Christ wasn’t talking us (non-Jews) until He gave the revelation of the mystery (Romans 16:25) to the Apostle Paul. The revelation of the mystery is the Body of Christ, the Church, consisting of new creatures that believe in the gospel of Christ (see 1Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 2:8-9).
Our primary connection with God in today’s dispensation of grace (Ephesians 3:2 KJV) is through His word, not some pseudo-supernatural relationship. If you’re hearing the voice of God outside of your study of the Scriptures, it’s probably a devil.
It’s God’s responsibility to inspire, preserve, and make His word available to us. Therefore, it’s no coincidence the King James Bible stands alone as the most printed book in history. No book will ever surpass its printing, number of books sold, nor its 400 plus years of utilization. When you face God, you won’t be able to say, “Why didn’t you tell me?”
Good doctrine requires you to study the Scriptures in context or you could cause irreparable damage with eternal consequences. God gave the common man the key (2Timothy 2:15 KJV) to understanding the Scriptures so their knowledge would surpass that of the world’s so-called experts.
The King James Bible is God’s inspired and preserved Word, the Scriptures. Here’s an e-book that’ll show how to study the Scriptures as it commands us to in 2Timothy 2:15 KJV, rightly divided, which means in context.
www.graceambassadors.com/downloads/StartRightlyDividing_PDF.pdf none!
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
You are right. We went through the same process. We were 20 years in Pentecostal churches and the Lord took us out there. We came across teachings from Gene Kim and Robert Breaker and learned that we must use dispensation. As there is Scripture for Jews and scripture for Christians. Now we read mostly the KJV and Valera 1602, purificada, which is an equivalent to the KJV. In Addition we use a very old Luther bible as we live in Germany, e.g. I am a German. We are very glad God lead us to the right path and gave us precious brothers and sisters. The Lord bless you. Maranatha!
God bless you Torben for your teaching! 🙏
I agree 100% that the baptism with fire has nothing to do with the immersion into the Holy Spirit.
If I may add my 2 coins. “Fire” is related to judgment but for believers it’s a bit different.
Baptism is transliteration from the Greek word “immersion”. Indeed “he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:” (Mat 3:11) follows judgment discourse about Him discerning “the wheat” from “the chaff” where the latter to be burned with “unquenchable fire”. Definite reference to “the lake of fire” that is “forever and ever” (Rev 20:10).
In general “fire” is related to God’s judgment representing God’s wrath because Jehovah being holy is a “consuming fire” that consumes sin and sinners. Jehovah as a fire consumes sacrifices (Lev 9:24), and wood, and even water with the burnt sacrifice prepared by Elijah before killing 450 priests of Baal (1 Kings 18:38).
God is holy, and nothing unholy can survive in His proximity, so “the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even -- a jealous God” (Deut 4:24, Heb 12:29). Jealously points to idolatry- abomination to the Lord that causes His jealousy.
Fire is related to judgment and punishment of the sin and sinners is “fire from the LORD out of heaven” (Gen 19:24) - punishment by the LORD of Sodom and Gomorrah. Jehovah’s wrath was kindled as fire and He consumed part of the camp - sinners (Num 11:1).
However, 1st time in the OT the word fire (Heb. “esh”) = is used in Gen 15:17 as the imagery of Jehovah during the making of the covenant with Abraham were Jehovah alone as “a burning lamp” was passing between pieces of the blood of sacrificial animals. Burning bush seen by Moses also is the imagery used for the presence of the Angel of the Lord. So fire indeed represents Jehovah, however the emphasis is on his holiness, thus condemnation of sin and all that is sinful.
Gods is light and there is no darkness in him. Light signifies the eternal life (Jn 1). God is Love and being holy and whole it means presence of wrath in Him against anything that is not holy. If God loves truth He will hate lies! That’s not 2 faces of God but rather consistency of who He is.
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Note that a meaning of the word “sin” in Heb includes also “a sacrifice for sin”, and without this idea that Christ being sinless himself became a “sin” and became a “curse” one cannot understand a lot of passages, especially who is the “husband” that dies in Rom 7:2-3, result of what our body becomes free of sin. The “husband” is “my sin” because Jesus became “my sin”.
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However for believers who are in Christ “fire” does NOT mean the God’s judgment. Believers are not condemned, they have been ransomed out of the God’s wrath!
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. … 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
As you taught about the Hebrew sense of the word “believers”, they are ”doers of the Word” (James 1:22). Hence, for them the immersion into fire means God’s TRIALS for the chosen people where imagery of fire is from OT:
Isaiah 1:25
25 And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:
Psalms 66:10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried.
Proving with fire here is compared with a process when a metal is being remelt in fire in order to remove slag and increase its purity.
The idea of the Heb word “mishpat” in OT, translated as “judgment”, is double:
1) as decision of the court (in heavens by God, or on earth by priesthood), and
2) as ability to discern between good and evil that should be present in each believer.
The 2nd meaning is the right one in the majority of cases in the OT, and also in the NT this ability characterizes the spiritually adults:
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
There are several judgments in the Bible but the major one is depending on our choice to believe during the life time - into wheats and chaff that is consequence of faith or lack of faith. But for believers chastening via trials is the blessing from the Lord:
1 Cor 11:31-32 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
This text is significant because it’s right after the initiation of the Holy Supper were important point is to become “worthy” from the God’s judgment point of view. We become worthy because of Christ’s holiness if we are in Him, so we get His righteousness in the eyes of the Father. Worthy is one who is ready for rapture. We must be doers of the Word today, and every day, as the smart virgins.
Mat 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
IOW our court trial is now, God judges us during our life time, and the goal for us is to be worthy, to be ready for the rapture, each day of our life. Because “today’ is the day of my deliverance, every day (see Heb 3,4).
1 Peter 1:5
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: …
Note that chastening by the Lord concerns only believers - those who are in Christ. Because
Hebrews 12:8
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
To complete this review,
First, there is no such word as “baptism” in the NT, because that’s a transliteration from the Greek word “immersion”.
Water baptism is immersion via water into the Body of Christ, into the name of Jesus Christ, into His death, and into the Kingdom of God (Jn 3:5), but literally translating Acts 2:38 - it’s an immersion “into the forgiveness of sins”.
It might be controversial but I believe our immersion into the body of Jesus very likely mystically happens during Jesus’s baptism/immersion into water in Mat 3:15 “to fulfill all righteousness”. IOW so that we might be dressed in Him, and get His righteousness. When Jesus comes out from water, the Father sees all the Church in HIM and is utterly satisfied saying “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased “.
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I read the last post on this topic. Please don’t let one person give you his interpretation on scripture, I’ve been in the Lord for 20 years, I missed things of God because people put God in a box that His Word does determine.
I don’t mean to rely on a man’s interpretation. I checked it in the Word.
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Amen!
Hi Torben, thank you for this teaching ! Yes the bottom line is by their fruits you shall know them.
We all need to examine ourselves to see whether we are faithful obedient disciples of Jesus. Are we truly following Jesus or another Jesus, and have we received the Holy Spirit or another spirit.. Do we really fear God? It is almost like the more you walk with Him the more your reverently fear Him and Love Him More, and the more you are in awe of Him because He is God , and we are but man. Do we know that we must have pure holy devotion to Christ Jesus. Do christians know that there will be sorting out of good and bad who are caught in the Kingdom's dragnet? Does anyone really know His own heart? His own motives? Who will be able to stand before Him? We must be like little children in our pure devotion and obedience to Him. That is why Jesus said narrow and difficult is the Way that leads to life, few ever find it. Jesus said to pray always that we don't fall into temptation, to be awake, sober, vigilant . And in Mat 13:40 NLT “Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the world. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Thank you for your teaching, ... 'But Jesus We ate in your Presence, We drank in your Presence ! you taught in our streets ! But Jesus will say "Depart from me, I never knew you, you workers of iniquity (you who do evil).' My Prayer is "Father God, help us Lord God to be obedient & faithful servants, stewards & disciples of Jesus Christ Your Son and produce good fruit for eternal life, in Jesus Name I pray Amen"
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Christ will baptize us with holy spirit and truth, fire is truth, truth hurts as if you are burning when you have a guilty conscience, when you tell a sinner his sin and that it should stop and repent, and he loves that sin he does not want to let go, in him immediately the fire begins, the guilt of conscience knows it is wrong and the fire of hell is kindled and burns until it turns away from that sin and repents
👍 sound teaching
20 mins in and it seems like we have the same conclusion.
Matt 3:1-12 warning, judgement, fire.
Luke 3:4-18 warning, judgement, fire.
Mark 1:1-8 no warnings, no judgement, no fire.
John 1:23-34 no warnings,no judgement, no fire.
Acts 1:4-5 no fire.
We should be careful what we ask for, I believe baptism with Holy Spirit and baptism with fire are two contrasting things and “with fire” is not what anyone should be seeking.
Acts 2:3 is like as of fire, not literal fire.
Water baptism is actual water, Holy Spirit baptism is actual Holy Spirit, fire baptism wouldn’t be any different would it? I don’t think so and we can find an actual immersion in fire here ⬇️
Revelation 20:14-15
That’s my thoughts and I hope someone will read the passages above.
God bless.
How do you interpret: many firsts will be the lasts and many lasts will be firsts. Hm? Thank you
He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit and fire? Very intriguing. I have always wondered about this passage.
Torben why did the Apostles lay their hand on Paul and Barnabas (Acts 13:3) BEFORE sending them out but AFTER they were filled with the Holy Spirit? Is this a good argument for those who preach teach that people can also receive an (impartation, special anointing, or mantle) in addition to being filled with the Holy Spirit?
No. I don’t see that. We are called to pray for each other. But can pray for many things. Healing, help, protection and so on. But you don’t see importation and anointing giving to people like that.
Try see all the places in the NT where the word Anointing is written.
AMEN
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There is a misundestanding and misinterpretation of the word : baptism.
You are correct, in going by the Bible word only. Many things today are took in wrong content. My only wonder is, if there is a Biblical purification fire before entering heaven? I know purgatory is not Biblical.
Yes. YHWH will purge the earth with fire, when Yeshua returns with His army. Read in scripture, revelation?
@@beckyd3546 Yes I read the earth & everything will burn up. But I'm talking of each individual that enters heaven, will they each have to go through a purify fire before entering heaven. I know nothing defiled will be in heaven. So I don't know, but would like to know this? I know there is a hell fire. But is there a purify fire? And where is it in Bible if so?
Amen Torben!!
I think most refer to Acts 2:3 "Then there appeared to them divided tongues as of FIRE, and one sat upon each of them" Many use this same saying today. 2 Timothy 4:6-7 says, "For this reason I remind you to fan into FLAME the gift of God" Rev 3:15-16 also speaks about being HOT for Jesus. I would say, so what if we use this as a saying....if I live for Jesus and Him alone, He knows that I BURN daily for Him!!!!!!!!
Are you saying Jesus said i will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and judgement? Why does that make sense under the context of baptism?
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Yes, the chaff or sin is burnt by fire as god deals with souls to purify them so they become born again with the gift of the holy spirit speaking in tongues with the baptism of water, are a new creature, or gather the wheat in the garner after the process is finished for the results of repentance. Also, god deals with sinners who are dead and judged and cast into the eternal fire, so god deals with those that die. After they are judged by God are cast into the eternal fire for those that did not repent while alive and disputed the word of God so they had judgment fallen themselves for christ said every idle word that comes from the mouth shall be accounted for.
The fire baptism spoken of in Mat3:11 etc is the purifying and sanctifying of believers after believing unto salvation.
Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the FIERY TRIAL which is to try you....... 1Pet4:12/1Pet1:7 this is being sanctified..... now.
If we reject this sanctifying fire from God, we reject God not a man says 1Thes 4:3,7,8 for without sanctification NO ONE will see the LORD Heb12:14
If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet as through FIRE. 1Cor3:15
For the time has come (ie NOW) for judgement to begin at the house of God and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1Pet4:17
Jesus have the power to give us eternal life and baptize us with the Holy Spirit, to those who believed and obeyed and Jesus also have the power to thrown us in hell (fire that never ends), those who are not believed in Him or obey in Him.
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28
Never trust your own xperience, always refer to scripture, test the spirits every time