Is E85 Bad For Your Car?
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Is E85 or other ethanol based fuel BAD for your car? On todays episode of Myth Or Fact, Gels sits down to discus how it can help, and how it can even hurt your vehicle and your driving experience. We're going to go over the pros, the cons, and everything inbetween!
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I could still use a nos wet system on E85 right?
The nos is only used as computer assisted anti-lag for these twin turbos.
Warning: E85 is highly addictive 👌
I’m a corn junkie
This is true😈
I’m addicted to corn juice
Send Help
You're not supposed to drink it lol
@@afroize We’re talking about our cars running on hooch😉😁
Day 17 of asking for "So You Want a Cadillac CTS V"
Give this man what he wants
CTS V wagoon would be fire
More like day 438
Just dumped a full tank of E85 into my Nissan Leaf. This thing is gonna haul ass on the highway
Make sure you take your AAA card, son
I hope thats a joke
HELLL YEA 😁
Thank god you did cause hector is running 3 honda civics with spoon engines and a motech exhaust.
@@bobbyholmes4586 overnighted from Japan
Been running E85 in my 2020 Shelby GT350 right after break in. Thousands of miles later and the car is real happy 😊 also didn't even need a tune. Advanced Fuel Dynamics makes a kit that is plug and play. No tune and I'm getting 60+ more HP. The car really comes alive with it and runs smoother with the fuel being so clean. Every 4th or 5th fill up I put 93 in just to go through a full cycle then back to that sweet sweet corn juice.
I put e85 in my car once cus my friend told me it was racing gas but forgot to mention I needed a tune. On low rpms my car was bouncing and jumping everywhere but once I got to higher rpms it drove soooo nice.
Lol literally been deciding on wether I should stay on 91 or try e85 for a month and this vid might’ve just gave me the little push I needed, thank you as always!
So you want a Mazdaspeed 6
Yes please
Subaru owners are somewhere crying 😢
@@epeezy factss 🤣
I’ve been asking
@@Longshlongjon22 I do it everyday or at least try to
Wish we had corn in Canada. Sad.
💔
I feel your pain. Especially in Saskatchewan.
@@545i44 FUGGET ABOUT IT LOL
You got meth. Just as nice. 😊
There is one station i know in Calgary that sells e85, its called B&G fuels, look it up:)
In Brazil we use ethanol as car fuel since 1978, first production car to use it was the Fiat 147, 1000cc engine
That’s pretty cool. How reliable are they?
@@Ohwell423 they're really good, all new cars made here are flexfuel now. At the beggining they had a lot of issues, ethanol engines needed higher compression, an extra gasoline tank for cold start and some parts had to be treated against corrosion, like carburators and fuel pumps
Actually Brazil has been using ethanol since the late 20s early 30s and that's just awesome!!! Just did a Google search to verify memory. Damn it took us this long ? Methanol sure but not Ethanol
Correct title: Is diesel bad for my car? 🤔
is there really a store called Kum n Go? Seems like something I would see in GTA
That's fair 😂
Yes, Kum n Go is real.
Yep.. Here in Iowa
Yes, it's also a running joke in every town that has them.
E85 is cheaper but I find that I have to fill up twice per every premium tank
Agreed. Worth it though.
@@Jonjims1532 beamers eat that shit up if your cars fuel system is built correctly
e85 has a stoichiometric ratio of about 9.8:1 and requires about 30-40% more fuel so yes fuel mileage will be worse than gasoline.
@@7sins979 thanks for the info my man! You can definitely tell the difference between both fuels
Perfect timing, I’m going with a e30 blend this week on my golf r
Lov my v8 f150 running on e85 with 5 star tune, cold air intake, catback exhaust, wowwwwwwww. The torque is awesome.
yessir
“So you want a Ford Taurus sho” 1st and 2nd gen (the real sho)
To be fair, E85 is cheaper due to government subsidies to corn farmers and commercial ethanol producers for use a a fuel additive.
It would actually be far more expensive than non-ethanol fuel of it wasn't subsidized.
Also, since it has a tendency to trap more water in the fuel, you don't want to store it for long periods, or store a vehicle with it in the tank and lines for an extended period. This is beyond the phase separation you refer to.
And no, the water that is trapped in it doesn't provide the same benefit as water in water-methanol injection.
Keep in mind, petroleum is more heavily subsidized than alcohol fuels and electric power combined. Pull the subsidies on both and you’ll likely find both biofuels and EV vehicles cheaper to operate than gas or diesel vehicles.
@@GreenJeep1998 you also have to consider power density in that. The power density of ethanol is drastically lower, so it takes a far greater amount to produce the same amount of power - which is why people see a noticable decrease in fuel economy when running E85.
Couple that with the actual price (minus the subsidies) and you're not really seeing any savings.
Also, as stated in the video, ethanol rich fuels are more corrosive and the fuel system is going to require more specialized materials and maintenance.
When you start adding up all the extra costs associated with E85 and other ethanol rich fuels, your actual savings gets tossed out the window.
@@jameshaulenbeek5931 I’ll be honest, been running my daily on E85 for over 8 years now and haven’t had an issue, the Jeep I had prior to that saw 10% and even more in the 17 years I had it and the only fuel system rot it had was due to salt and snow being blasted by the left front tires ( had a few sets on it) to one of only 2 steel components in the fuel system. The insides were fine as were the the plastic shrink tube that held them to the stainless hard lines.
@@GreenJeep1998 that's pretty damn good, but I'd expect more fuel system damage on a weekender than a daily. Again, absorbing water and separating will take it's toll.
Personally, I'm not a fan. I'd run a water/meth setup before switching over to E85 if I was looking for power and anti-knock.
@@jameshaulenbeek5931 that XJ had been parked for some time when I replaced that line, it spent much of the last 5 years parked due to illnesses Mom had and we were caring for her instead of the XJ, sadly, after she passed we went to try and fix a rotted out brake line to rind the floor rotted out as well as inner and out rockers and signs of infestation of both the furry and moldy kinds inside it. If it hadn’t developed fuel system rot in that time, it’s likely not that big if an issue. Dad even had lawn equipment he forgot to winterize, which included e10 87 with 2stroke oil still in the table and it still started right up on the stuff.
"dude its like noon cmon"
*minutes later*
"oops i spilde the beer"
Praying to the Suspension Gods that I win those BCs. I need to get rid of the monster truck height on the daily
Short answer, if you have a carb yes its bad. If you're efi then it depends on a few things.
Even then, there are E85 carbs out there now, just need to make sure the pump(s) and lines are up to it.
@@GreenJeep1998 and they cost twice as much as a normal carb. Whats ya point
E85 cheaper than 87, makes more hp in our cars 😁 (extremely large smiles)
Watching this video while I fill my truck with e85 and have been doing so since 2017.
No, E85 is bad for us humans, it’s addictive asf 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Screw that, 93 octane ALWAYS!!!
Here in Australia is significantly more expensive than normal 98. It averages around 170c/L aud compared to like 140-150 c/L for 98
2022 reporting- E85 is cheaper than 98 Octane here in Central Qld
Day 4 of asking for a "So you want a Kia Stinger"
i second this
I third this
Saw a Kia stinger at Costco with the license plate “ya Kia”
there’s a reason they haven’t done this ...
Got one bro love it check out my insta yellowjacket_stinger
I watched this episode and randomly decided to get on the website. I now have 3 Sets of wheels in my wishlist
Geeeez you make it sound like a bad thing!😂
I daily e85 in a 5 speed flex fuel focus nearly 30mpg highway and 26 city.
This video is literally useless for us EU guys...
I'm from France and I'm also asking why ? Ethanol is pretty common here, it's getting more and more popular.
Ireland doesnt have ethanol pumps just gasoline and diesel
@@arzo9986 Czech republic and around is the same.
Look on the bright side - at least most of you guys are not as socially restricted as we are in the US right now.
Welcome to the US @bent where we don’t get shit. EVER
I won't run ethanol based fuel in my lawnmower or snowblower. I just installed a flexfuel kit in my 2002 Mustang GT and it runs fine on E85.
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@@FitmentIndustries pop
I use ethanol 90% of the time on my red sport now that I have a flex fuel kit.
Horrible timing for me, I just tuned for full E and now I’m hoping this video doesn’t make me regret 🤣
Didnt Henry Ford design the modle t to run off both gasoline and ethanol?
I got flex fuel n my car has a lottt more torque while using it. And runs better in general.
I'm a simple man. I see Lahey, I drink
My daily and previous daily were both ran on E-15. Average 15 cents cheaper per gallon, average loss of 1-2mpg and well worth it with how little I drive
Will FI ever do a "So you want a SAAB"?
Gotta b specific “so you want a viggen”
@@brandonanderson2998 oooh that'd be nice! Viggens are one of the best Saabs, but other cool ones are the SAAB 9000 AERO/225 and the 900 SPG
I totally agree! Definitely gotta do and areo I fucking love those! Not that fake ass Subaru think tho haha
No one ever wants a Saab
seems the 30-40% extra fueling requirement should be listed in the cons section. e85 makes for a really good race fuel but generally is not worth it if the vehicle can be run on pump gasoline.
My car makes 30-50 more hp on E85 than on 93. Definitely worth it.
@@coryce258 yea I made 494 on e. Never could have got there on gasoline. But even cruising around it uses more fuel.
Put E10 (10% ethanol) in our car and got sludge all the way through the engine (even on the plastic dipstick):
Seems that the ethanol oxidises and then polymerises.
Oil analysis picked up increased fuel dilution as well (up to 5 %).
As soon as the E10 was stopped the fuel dilution problem decreased back to normal levels (1-2%)... although it has yet to drop back to 0 %.
Presumably, the rings got stuck and let fuel leak into the oil?
The sludge is amazingly tenacious and flushing the engine didn't seem to help much.
N.B. Fuel dilution compromises lubrication... so wear can be expected to increase.
BTW: There's a ~6 % drop in fuel efficiency with E10 (less energy-dense):
If E85 gives you a ~30-40 % drop in fuel efficiency how does it make sense economically?
The more frequent oil changes required with E85 are another undesirable cost... especially if you drive a lot.
:-(
Happy E85 user here. More than a dollar cheaper than 91 and get +40tq/20hp at the wheels from a custom tune... yeah I'll take it!
I’m saving over $2/per gallon. Salute 🫡 E85 🌽 and I’ve managed to eliminate most of the mileage loss through select MODS. Stay Tuned Family
Is mixing diesel and unleaded bad for a 93 carby civic....No. It loved it 😂
No is not. Just remember it needs to be a 50/50 blend. If you go over, you are going to have to buy pure sugar and pour 3 scoops in it. This will make the car run smooth again. 😉
Why would you do that for an eco box that takes the lowest octane gas
I can't wait to switch to E85 on my turbo FRS , for the extra power ⛽️
insta,
Thanks for the great video, I've lately started researching about E85 and luckily you made a video about it. Super cool.
Would you consider making a comparison between E85 and meth injection? When to run what? Daily, track, weather, prices ...etc.
I hate it !
I was using 88 and then went to E85 and then my car lost power and my check engine light came on.
Yes, I have a flex fuel vehicle
I had to put in fuel injector cleaner
It helped a little.
My wife loves it ! She puts it in her Chrysler Town and Country POS
FYI: don’t buy one!
Engine has a plastic piece under the oil filter instead of metal (designed to fail)
$800 to replace when it cracks and the sliding power door mechanisms break too!
@Fitment Industries now teach this kids about non ethanol fuel
Put E85 in my Mazda Protege one time, nothing happened but didn't realize the harm it can have.. Luckily don't own it anymore! :D
If you put a permanent lubricant through the engine you can avoid the damage e.g. XcelPlus
🙂
You forgot to mention that it’s nearly impossible to find in some places.
I filled up my car with e85 because of your video. What do I do now?
Does your car use E85? If not then that’s not good
if your vehicle isn't specifically designed to use e-85 then you're going to witness the singlehanded reason that platinum prices have been driven up as high as they are as it turns the inside of certain parts to glass due to overheating (i don't remember which part it is but I remember when fixing my cousin's husband's car which experienced the problem for the specific reason that he used e-85 we knocked out a glassed sort of filter that was long tubular in shape with a grid of square holes in it which that method is illegal to do in some states making this repair even more costly for some places due to the added difficulty of the repair). e-85 stands for 85% alcohol which while yes burns at a higher rate also burns at a way higher temperature. It's not made for the majority of most everyday cars. look at what your vehicle is specifically rated to use and use that. The lower cost of ethanol over time doesn't make up for the costs of replacing parts in your engine.
@@zero8034_ @Nuclear Pineapple you guys are too nice. I was just kidding.
@@zero8034_ would this happen immediately or over time. If you added half a tank of e85 by accident and didn’t do it again are you ok? I did this yesterday and all kinds of conflicting information out there.
@@SweetbearCoyote over time always make sure to check your vehicle's manual to make sure your using the right fuel grade
A+ for the trailer park boys scene! rip mr.lahey 2017!
so you want an E34? (unloved body style😢)
cant wait to go e85 on my Z
Me with a daily I just filled with e90 🌚
Only bad part is lack of good e85 gas stations. I have to be sure and put fuel before leaving home every other day so i don't have to refill elsewhere with e70. Booo e70. Idk why is in South Texas. Never cold here
I’m lucky here near Chicago, the station I filled at today is less than 3/4 mile from home and the other is less than 3 miles from home😁
@K Sk The stations I go to all are busy and along busy roadways. Only one I stay away from has all their fuels excessively priced and I had heard stories from former employees that the people who owned it at the time (pre-E85, at the time) that weren’t getting paid.
@K Sk I am, I know I’m not their only E85 customer, seen modified cars, flex fuel minivans used as a taxi, then regular civilian vans, trucks, SUVs, and passenger cars like ours.
Day 26 asking fitment industries to do an episode on so you want a lotus exige s. I'm back :).
Exams starting at Dec 3rd and ends at Dec 10th.
Why are the exams on my birthday 🎂😭😭 my bday is on 3rd December..
I feel ya mate, mine is on the 8th of December.
@@redouanbouziane4022 ya man.
Been running straight e85 for 2yrs now and loving it (except economy). Lucky I live within 15min of 5 stations
Been running it since 2012, used to have to driven10 miles one way to find it, now I have a station .65mi south of here and another about 2.5mi southeast from here........think I spent enough time at stations outside my county filling my daily while using their customer cards, I wouldn’t be shocked if my use of their products helped with those decisions to build where they did and have E85 in stock😎
A Wisconsin accent sounds like a mix of Canadian person and a person from Minnesota. I am from Wisconsin writing this in Wisconsin,with a Wisconsin accent
i’m from mn but never heard the “ minnesota accent “
I am from Wisconsin and I had never known what a Wisconsin accent... until my friend from out of state pointed it out. And that is the exact way he described it. So don’t ask me
I wish we got e85 up here in Canada
This video informed me about corn juice. But, why not a video about the NX2000 and how corn juice might benefit it?
OMG, how did you know it was like noon on a Monday...
Sweet my ride is a 1990 LS400 and I would like BC extreme lows 😉
I just put e85 in my car yesterday 👁👄👁
But, it's 5pm somewhere!🍺
Im sorry but "kum&go" hahahahahaha
E85 and turbo cars is amazing
Show some Diesel bois some love
“So you want a TDI”
there’s a little community around these, it’d be nice giving some recognition to the torquey boys.
No
Me living in Iowa and seeing a Kum & Go and then getting hyped because FI is shouting us out lol
TLDR. Is it safe? Yes. Can your car handle it? Maybe. The higher pressures from the increased horsepower output will need to be addressed. Some newer cars are designed to handle additional power and pressure from running e85 while older cars 1990 and older are not.
Ah I member when I bought my wrx and 93 in PA was damn near 2 bucks a gallon when corona was hitting. Now it’s back up to 3 😐
Gas station named Kum N Go 🤣🤣🤣 woulda never thought it was what it is🤣 my guess woulda been a Happy Ending😃
big ups liquid raycon
shoutout Sean ranklin
hot rodded to run our shine around
shined our hot rods to run our rods around
Is a Ford Zx2 good for your ‘So you want to buy’?
I live in New Hampshire and we unfortunately don’t have E85 here 😔
My problem is every time I go to the gas station for Pump E85 my car runs differently. Sometimes the E85 content at the pump is in the 60s.. 70s.. 80s.. It's completely random and It's really annoying, so my car performs WILDLY different sometimes.
Back in the late 80s when I had my first car, the neighbor lady's done was visiting and asked if I used premium. I said, nope the midgrade with 10 percent ethanol cause it burns cleaner and helps the farmers. He didn't seem happy when I said that. All I did was tell Lee Raymond the truth.
No
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@@collinromero5476 thank you we shall have this made
C30 GANG GANG
a speed topic and not a stance one yes sir im here early
Personally, id want to put e85 in my daily driver as long is it's flexfuel, mainly because I wanna save money when regular gasoline becomes 1$ more than e85. Also I could probably make my own eathonol and run it through the system.
Love it E98 all the way
Close it was Monday at 1 not noon lol
What's e85?
They pretty much explained it in the video
@@Alex-vz2jz ooo oke
51% to 83% corn liquor and 15% to 49% gasoline at the pumps, most likely with sub grade gas unless you buy by the drum like with VP, Sonoco, Rockett, and other race gas manufacturers .
I'm watching this at 12:56 on Monday lol 8 months later
I hope I get the coilovers :) got me the graveyard hoodie, gonna wear it 24/7 now
LETSS GOOOOOOOO!!!!! lol for real tho thank you for the support!🤘
My 86 E30 runs terrible on ethanol blend. The old Motronic can't deal with it. My Miata shockingly runs the same regardless.
Day 1of asking for a "so you want a Toyota matrix xrs"
The background music “beep” noise is very annoying.
So I should stop running e85 in my 2012 Silverado flex fuel, as it will corrode it faster than regular 87 octane? It saves me a $1 per gallon here in SoCaL which is YUGE when 87 is $3.50+ per gallon.
Only if you leave it in your truck undriven for months at a time
You should be fine, been running my 2012 Chrysler 200 since almost new and have 109k on it right now. Only increase in wear has been with the brakes and tires😉😁
@K Sk One thing I don’t get though, Ethanol is a solvent as well as a disinfectant, fuel and adult beverage and has been known to remove gum from gas that has been sitting in tanks and fuel line for some time, how does it gum up injectors?!
I haven't seen $1.89/gallon since 1992!🙀
Day 2 of asking for “So you want a Ford F-150 SVT Lightning”
I’ve been trying to get a straight up answer, can let’s say I have a 15 gallon tank, 10 gal of 91 and 5 E85. To essentially get 93. Now with that somewhat minimal mixture, can I drive that with my 91 tune?
Yes you can it wont harm anything if its a pump gas tune if you have an e85 tune never run a mixture since the timing is so much more advanced on a e85 tune you'll get detonation and cylinder misfires
So for my g35 would it be ok
If you don’t have the proper mods to support it, no
Day 1 of helping my Volvo c30 brother 😎
Hold up, I got this....... Tesla Swapped Push Mower.
I run an e30 mix in my car, haven’t had any issues with it, would run E85 but I need to swap the injectors first
Damn. For once something car related, that’s Cheaper, more reliable, AND can give more horsepower
If you factor in mpgs i doubt its much cheaper
@@shai420ful I run it sometimes in my 5.0L F-150, it seems to break even in price, yes it is cheaper, but my fuel economy drops pretty significantly on E-85 vs Unleaded, so its cheaper, but you'll be stopping for gas more often.
Video for different kinds of exhaust?
The linus tech tips of cars
Ma. Mam. Mama. Said that e85 is the devil
No Colonel Sanders, you’re wrong 😤😂
@@FitmentIndustries yea ur right. Anyways e85 tune on 2.7t is good