E85 Fuel Explained - Should you use it?
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- Опубликовано: 29 дек 2015
- In this episode, Marty and Moog investigate why E85 ethanol fuel can make your car go faster...
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If i drink/eat enough products that contain ethanol,can i start peeing in my fuel tank?
+Unrealy1 You can pee in your fuel tank even if you don't.
+paddys06 LMAO
Try eating/drinking methanol for some extra points.
Yeah, but you'll go blind..Wood alcohol does that. That's how the whole joke got started. Wood alcohol+playing with it=blindness.
Raven Rock67 Yeah I know, it was a joke. Then again I'd feel pretty shitty, if some one actually did that.
Im doing my chemistry assignment on E85, this video almost cracked it for me! thanks guys!!
Can I use E85 on my Toyota GR Yaris?
How the fuck would he know he's a highschool student not a jdm master-tech
He's got a point there
"Hi Cheryl...." LOL!
I started dieing like wtf lmao
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Lol such a small comment but so funny lol
I know right! Haha!
After following these guys since the very beginning it is fantastic to see that MCM has not only greatly improved they're production value, but also have stuck to their roots. For those that don't know, their channel was initially going to be more based on small, fun and eco-friendly cars which I feel closely relates to this episode. Like always it was a funny, interesting and informative episode.
Keep it going Marty and Moog!!!
They are production value?
That Chemist clearly didn't want to have to deal with Moog's shit
Hmmm alcohol fueled car?
One for you,
one for me,
one for you,
one for me...
Michael Nguyen haha this is from the Simpsons 😂
May as well plumb a fuel line into myself in that case
Aren't you the bloke who produced birdemic?
This has to be one of the most thoughtful and well put together videos on matters such as this. Bravo, gents.
Guys you NEED to do a rotary project car
Nikola Tesla yes and the should also do a vid on the installation of a meth/water injection kit. Perhaps both at the same time? There gonna need a bigger fuel tank if the want to make it ethanol powered though xD
Just imagine something like a dual rotor Daihatsu Terios running on E85.
That's what I'm expecting from Mcm, lol
Nikola Tesla can't forget the twinscroll turbo
HELL YEAH
Nikola Tesla Or a turbocharged diesel....
And Moog was never allowed in the plant again.
It's hard to believe this is a MCM video... They've really improved their editing skills and quality since the start of their RUclips channel. Keep up the awesome videos!
Moot point - we only eat sweet corn. The corn used to make ethanol is high starch. It's hard and tastes awful. It's mostly used for animal feed. It does make corn syrup and corn flour but only small amounts of it.
Being English, I am not that familiar with corn so I had not known this. Thank you for your informative comment.
@@joshuarosen6242 We do grow lots of it here to feed cattle. Some is also put in digesters to make biogas. We generally call it maize though, and confusingly corn in the UK often refers to wheat.
You can eat maize, but it's only tasty for about 1 day, blink and you miss it. Even in that tiny window it's not as good as sweetcorn.
That was a very well presented and edited informative video on ethanol. Thanks.
The quality of your videos is just getting better and better. Keep it up !
Well written, presented and edited. I am particularly impressed with Marty's wrap up section. Clear, concise and most of all informative. Our little Marty is growing into quiet the presenter.
I found this a pretty well thought out article, and well presented. Love these guys!
Really enjoyable episode guys! Would be great to see more educational stuff like this.
"...I should probably try it while I'm here" Moog kicking off 2016 with pure gold
oh so thats why people in southern cali say their car is corn fed
It's Private you need to chill out dude.
@Josh Smith true statement! My cars get an extra 100 miles per tank when I used ethanol free 89!
@Josh Smith You fucking idiot.
Great Video Guys! Really professional and informative. I have been wondering about this and this video gave me a lot of answers to those questions. Thanks!
Super interesting and very informative videos guys. You even managed to make it entertaining! Excellent stuff 👍
Ethanol: "It's all through your house, it's all through your work, it is everywhere" are you trying to call me an alcoholic?
I'm glad Marty finally got to do the educational style videos hes always wanted to do. This was pretty awesome.
This is why I love you guys. Because it's not just a car modding video. It's a truly informative and intellectual scientific lesson.
This video helped me pass 9th grade a couple years ago, thanks! :)
You guys should make more documentaries like this. This was spectacular, so well filmed and so much great information shared. Great job! keep em coming!
+Justin Henry Thanks Justin!
Production value increasing so much. MCM reaching all new heights.
They basically put poisonous bitter stuff in it to prevent alcoholics from getting drunk on their fuel, because then the alcohol industry will suffer if you can get a gallon of ethanol for $1 or whatever.
Legally they have to, otherwise its taxed as liquor which is much higher
@@tortron ah I see. Thanks.
I love these guys! I want to be this kind of car enthusiast: genuine, responsible and inspiring others to live greater lives.
Hope the worker did not get into trouble or worse for "Allowing" "Not stopping" moog from taste testing the ethanol :)
+Mark B He did try to stop him. But Moog prevailed.
Loved this episode! if there is a chance of doing more like these in the future it would be brilliant!
A tricky subject made much much clearer, thanks guys and keep up the good work!
Love this documentary. Fun and informative.
the guy at 14:50 seemed pissed off at moog
+tavis young i thought it was pretty funny
+Vinnie Davis ye it was funny but he seemed pissed
tavis young
he's probably worried about his job
+Vinnie Davis I liked it how Moog is wearing a safety vest and a hardhat while he drinks the industrial chemical.
+tavis young Well when you have a very highly educated guy who takes his job seriously. And a jokster like Moog who is just out for a laugh. Yea it will rub some people wrong lol
Only half way through this video but so far one of the best videos you guys have ever done. I loved the driveway videos of installing short shifters and painting brake calipers and stuff but doesn't it blow your minds when you compare those videos to this? Huge well done to all involved.
+crcn11 Thanks mate! we like making all kinds of videos, this stuff is educational for us too.
crcn11 i
Some disadvantages of Ethanol:
Ethanol may be good for supercharged and turbocharged engines for it's anti-ping or detonation qualities. But naturally aspirated, "Flex Fuel" cars will show no measurable performance improvement.
The fuel range is at least 1/3 less per gallon or liter. The engine computer on Flex Fuel cars just makes the fuel/air ratio richer from a lean 14.5:1 stoichiometric to a richer 7:1 and the cost at the pump wont offset the total cost per mile or kilometer most of the time ( You'll have to do your own math on this).
Ethanol (E85 has up to 15% petrol or gasoline) combustion might be emitting less carbon emissions. But the farm growth/conversion process offsets and exceeds that.
The presence of oxygen in ethanol opens a pathway for a myriad other combustion products, including formaldehyde and acetaldehyde. If inhaled in small quantities, these chemicals can irritate the eyes and lungs, whereas more significant exposure to these and other particulates is associated with asthma, allergies and even some cancers.
Ethanol is hygroscopic, it means that it absorbs water from the air and thus has high corrosion aggressiveness. That’s why it is transported only by auto transport or railroad.
Ethanol competes for arable food producing land for human survival.
Ethanol can negatively affect electric fuel pumps by increasing internal wear and undesirable spark generation.
Pure ethanol is also difficult to vaporize which can make starting a car in cold weather difficult and that is why most fuels retain at least a small amount of petrol or gasoline - such as E85 cars with 85% ethanol and 15% petroleum.
Most of that beginning was incorrect. on N/A applications a tune alone saw as much as 40 rwhp on certain vehicles that were non ffv . it will vary from car to car. all show a measurable amount of power increase from MBT alone.
14.5 / 7:1 is not "richer" its a different target point. it takes more ethanol to target the same AFR but can be offset depending on the design of the engine.
Farm growth claims are not substantiated , especially if the equipment used to far has far better emissions.
gasoline can also obsorb water. transport it correctly and make sure your car is correct mechanically it is not a problem >
it does not compete for food and the refinment process is being changed and improved over time no different than oil and gas were at some point in the past.
it does not do anything bad to fuel pumps except those made with rubbers that dont tolerate the fuel to begin with ... which over all is not a problem in most 90's + vehicles anyway ,
vehicles can start in the cold weather even if a bit more difficult this is not a "problem" so to speak and does not take away the incentive to use it , especially in warmer climates. most about -20* F
+The General Speaks You clearly don't even know what you're talking about.On naturally aspirated engines they make more power on pure gasoline without any ethanol.Gasoline CANNOT absorb water because it isn't hygroscopic ,ethanol is.Ethanol is bad for all fuel systems and engines,there is a reason you don't see anyone running pure ethanol in their engine.Ethanol has caused melted pistons because it burns hotter than gasoline and is notorious for causing rust inside fuel lines as well as destroying rubber hoses and diaphragms not compatible with it.
Research and technology dictate differently.
Most N/A engines that have run it had an increase in power and those built to take it see it even more so due to the ability to take advantage of the fuel. MIT case study disagrees with your assertion .
You're wrong.
Any melted pistons are from it being in an untuned engine . Any destruction of fuel lines etc is the fault of the person not placing the fuel into a vehicle with lines that can sustain it.
You cant store gasoline in things its not designed for either so the point is stupid. majority of 90's + vehicles can tolerate ethanol without issue. Ive proven this in my research and many others
George, do you know if it has an adverse effect on oil like during the actual strokes of the pistons since roughly 30% more needs to be injected per cycle compared to gas. I'm worried about cylinder and ring wear.
Exceptional documentary! Very, very well done. Thank you so much for this! Fun and educational, best combination!
you guys just did a very well put together documentary in my opinion. good job guys!
+eric neuman Thanks Eric! it's a totally different ball game.
Who ever is using the Mighty Car Mods account HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! It was a wonderful year. Thanks Guys. :)
+Smilez 101 Its only ever Moog and Marty on here dude! Happy new year to you!
probably the best MCM episode yet. excellent work lads. :)
This has to be the best episode from you guys. Thanks for the "edumication". Keep it guys...
Here in Brazil, we have ethanol in every gas station, because almost every car out here is flex from the factory.
Yeah. Back then there were cars that used ethanol only. The only issue are the cold starts.
+Andyy Edits But we run on E100...
Yeah, but it's good for the people reading the comment section to understand our situation.
I went to San Paulo Brazil a couple years ago. It was beautiful!!
+ozzy8031 because other countries don't have huge fields of sugar cane?
No one warned that ethanol guy that Moog is a freak :P
I was mad when I didn't see an episode about the Mini chopping things, however this episode was more than interesting, it was really helpful, thank you very much
wow! great video guys! excellent quality. glad to see you guys making it !
Ime pretty sure I just accidentally skipped an ad about home doughnut delivery... WHAT HAVE I DONE!? X.X
Such an educational video, a lot of good information. I wish you guys would've mentioned to be careful running E85 in colder climates. Over here in the U.S. a lot of guys have two tunes. One for the summer when it's warm out with E85 and one in the winter when it's cold out on regular pump fuels. If you run E85 when its cold you can gunk up fuel filters, lines, and injectors. Having a flex fuel sensor solves this problem. Also, direct injection engines have high pressure injector that don't flow a lot of fuel... So direct injection engines don't see good benefits from E85 because you have to flow more fuel. Not a problem on port injection vehicles because you just get bigger injectors. Mostly, car with forced induction and high compression ratios will see the benefits from E85. Overall, amazing video keep up the great work. I love these videos that you guys do where you go learn something new and sharing it with us. Thank you.
croberts3130 thx
I use it in my 2005 Silverado 5.3L Flex Fuel and it loves it. Super smooth operation, and big gobs of power on the highway. $1.90 a Gallon in Florida!
Brilliant episode chaps. Your episodes are getting so good (in appearance and execution) you really put a LOT of big budget TV shows to shame.
96%? Congrats Moog, you just experienced Everclear; the beverage of choice of irresponsible, socially-crippled frat boys all over the US. :D
+rhkips 96% not 96 proof
Harley Sydenham
Yup, that's what I said~ 96% ABV; 192 proof. :D
+rhkips Eh, the fuel grade is actually rather a lot rougher than Everclear.. lol. "The Clear" is kinda harsh, but the fuel grade stuff is a lot worse. (yes, I have had both..I'll drink everclear despite never having been in a frat, but the other stuff.. nah..)
Only time I ever saw double was after doing 1 triple shot.Bad choice.
Well-done on perspective, guys. :)
I really appreciate that MCM is always balanced and methodical about topics like this. This video is top level journalism, complete with jokes about Cheryl.
What a great vid guys, well done. Very interesting
This was super cool and super interesting!!
Personally, and I hope this gets voted up so y'all see it, I don't like the way they're forcing ethanol into the fuel here in the US (E10). A lot of old cars are having issues with only 10% in the fuel. Fuel systems, including carburetors them self are often damaged or destroyed by ethanol. Sometimes it takes years, sometimes less. Ethanol free gas is available, but rare.
If your car is built for it, it's great, if it's not, even E10 is a nightmare. I've taken apart carburetors that sat with E10 in them for a few months and the seals had turned to goo, one even had the float disintegrate.
Don't get me wrong, I love finding alternative fuels, and anything which can put hydrogen into the engine to be burnt other than gasoline is very interesting, but here in the states Ethanol has become a heated debate. Also, I'll never give up my internal explodey goodness for a electric car. Never, ever, ever, ever...
EDIT: I'm also jealous you have higher octane ratings down there...
+Dead Reckon killed my old ute (pick up) :(
+Dead Reckon Not sure about there but here in australia will still have mostly normal petrol with the occasional pump that has e10 or e85. It's also recommended for people to not run ethanol in older cars because that reason, even some older fuel injected ones have problems. If it's being forced upon people over there, then that is really retarded.
Yep, it is. Use to see stickers saying "This product may contain up to 10% ethanol", now it's just "This product contains 10% ethanol", sometimes they just cover up the word "May". Gotta drive the grammar nazi's insane. I never can get a carburetor tuned on that crap. They don't even call it e10, they still call it 87, regular, 89, mid grade, or 93, premium.
I can't really complain though, gas is averaging around $1.84 a gallon where I live, sooo... Bring on the 10% corn 90% dino juice?
+Dead Reckon Ethanol isn't required by the federal government or most state governments in the US. It is, however, ALLOWED by these authorities. Ethanol is cheaper than pure gasoline, so some produces dilute their gas with it, up to 15% as allowed by governments. They have to state that the gas is diluted though. Look around for a bit and you might be surprised to find a fuel station near you that carries pure gasoline. However, also be aware that E85 is legally defined as containing anywhere from 65-85% ethanol.
Also, Australia doesn't have higher octane ratings. They use a different octane scale than the US, which gives higher numbers. Their 98 octane is roughly equivalent to US 93 octane. Look up AKI and RON octane ratings for more information on the topic. If you don't have 93 available, you most likely live in higher elevation, where the tendency to knock is reduced by the lower average atmospheric pressure.
+Dead Reckon Australia doesn't have higher octane fuel ratings, their 98 RON is equivalent to our 93 MON+RON/2 octane rating.
The intro reminds me of popular mechanics for kids back in the early 2000s. Good vibes, back when life was so easy.
I love this show. I actually learn stuff I didn't know. I didn't know ish about ethanol until I watched this. You guys are awesome.
being early to a MCM ep when its only 360p still sucks
2008 or so E85 cost $ 1.99 in California. 2016 $2.05 My Evo drinks this stuff.
I just paid $1.69 per gallon to mix e30 yesterday..
I thought e85 was really expensive in California
$3.39 where I love in California right now
Awesome vid fellas!
Would love maybe a different one of these every fortnight/month.....
Loved it!
very educational and fun too watch. Keep up the good work guys.
Interesting fact: here in Brazil, gasoline has (by law) 27% of 100% pure alcohol and ethanol is 95.1% to 96% (the rest is pretty much water and additives). In the modded car scene, is almost impossible to find a turbo/supercharged car running on gasoline (because the quality is so poor. Premium gasoline is better, but still poor quality). So when you decide to install any aftermarket forced induction, we only run our cars on ethanol.
Pretty much all cars here are now flex fuel (a few years ago BMW launched here the active flex 320i, and now vw has a turbo 3 cylinder engine which is also flex fuel), not just because of all the extra power from ethanol, but because our gasoline knocks really easily (even on completely original n/a cars).
+Benjamin Holt I assure you there is no water in your fuel. Water doesn't compress. If there was water in your fuel, bad things happen. xD
Rene Hourian yeah, I know that. But as you can imagine, isn't really easy to find out what exactly is in our ethanol.
+Rene Hourian (Kris) Actually there is water on brazilian ethanol because the distillation process is unable to separate all the water (maximum of 96%). The 100% ethanol added to our gasoline is the same ethanol distilled from sugar cane (even at 78,1°C it can't get better than 96%) but subjected to chemical processes (CaO + H2O --> Ca(OH)2) and after that it's distilled one more time but now only the ethanol evaporates. So the water reacts with those products and so we have 100% ethanol. This process increase the fuel price and thats why they don't use 100% ethanol. This 27% added to the gasoline need to be pure because gasoline (nonpolar) can't be mixed with water (polar), while ethanol can be mixed with both but more strongly with water.
I'm going to go ahead and assume it's a small enough percentage of water that when atomized by the injector, in the heat of a combustion chamber, it turns to vapor really fast. Like water injection. It's not a substantial amount of water, if there was, that would be pretty terrible. xD
+Rene Hourian (Kris) Exactly.
after drinking that did moogs farts sound like a turbo?
+bongcrusha420 More like unicorn vtec fart.
+bongcrusha420 sounded like an anti lag system car doing a launch ^^
Thank you for your video. I have a Impalla that is flex fule and I had all my questions answered.
probably your most informative and yet funniest vid to date , thanks :-)
We've been using ethanol here in Brazil since before the 2000 years, it's also know here as acohol
Paulo Esteves what do you mean 2000s? It's at least from 1980s
@@or4089 "Since before"
10% ethanol mixed into regular petrol is a clusterF*&k in the US. It gums up carbureted small engines that are not run frequently. Also using corn in the US to make it made food more expensive here.
Y'all trying to get on the Discovery Channel with this quality and effort? Haha. Great video mates!!
You guys showed footage near my hometown. In between Cabazon and North Palm springs. Whitewater. That is awesome!
Something you didn't discuss but is a big factor, is ethanol's ability to absorb water out of the atmosphere and fall out of solution in mixed fuel supplies. I'm most familiar with E-10 and it's abilities to ruin all kinds of small engines or at the very least, make off-season storage a serious pain in the ass. If you have a can of fuel that isn't 100% sealed, in 3-6 months, it is likely to be trash. That means boats and mowers and trimmers and chainsaws and pressure washers and emergency de-watering pumps and ANYTHING that takes ethanol fuels runs the risk of having contaminated fuel the next time you go to use it. That's one reason ethanol fuels are NOT allowed in aviation.
That 30% loss of energy is a big deal if you want any range out of the tank of fuel you jst bought as well. It's great for short sprints, where carrying 30% more fuel may not matter, but when your Mini can go 300 miles on it's 10 gallons of gasoline but only 200 on E-85, your trip from Melbourne to Cape Coran might not go as smoothly.
+Aaron Barker Range is definitely an issue. We were able to drive Supergramps home from the Sunshine coast to Sydney (1400km) filling up on Ethanol the whole way and only needing 10L from a jerry can to do the trip. We don't really deal with small engines but we have read about issues with storage also.
I'm also guessing that E85 is the sweet spot between the cooling power of alcohol and the energy density of gasoline.
This is awesome!!! I've started using this fuel in my Silverado and it runs a lot smoother. I feel a little more Getty up when I get on the highway, and it's around the same gas mileage, and lastly it's a lot cheaper
This was fantastic, any chance you'll do more videos about car related manufacturing?
It takes 100 gallons of water to make one gallon of ethanol. So, you are compromising food and water supplies. E85 is a distant second place to electric cars.
+Invincible Osprey But eletric cars use dirt fuel too, as most energy on the wall to charge it... are far from clean
+Invincible Osprey your statement has very narrow scope and high on the numbers you're quoting anyway. Corn is not the most efficient crop to make into Ethanol. We just grow a lot of it in the states. Sugarcane and Beets have a lot higher yield. You can't compare everything against corn crop.
You also can't say E85 is a distant second to electric cars because converting any existing vehicle over to E85 or E100 is actually doable. There are billions of cars out there that could potentially use ethanol. Converting those over to electric, that's not possible.
There's a huge environmental impact in making the big car batteries and some use exotic materials.
I'd love to have an electric vehicle for getting around, but there are tons of great cars out there that I'd not dare give up. They're just so much fun to drive and work on.
So a statement like what you made seems to just be a standard bulk reply made by someone who has just been told to take a certain stance on something.
+Invincible Osprey E85 is easily adapted into existing cars, until electric cars become affordable for the average person then something like E85 (or other combustable alternative fuels) is the way to go
thesamandnath
Unless you need to drink water. There are lots of water shortages in different places at different times all over the world. You can't make ethanol unless you use a shitload of water.
Invincible Osprey
But by that logic let's end the production of any alcohol product, including drinks. As alcoholic drinks... even with water in it, dehydrate the person.
What an awesomely different episide
Nice video MCM.
Nice 1.. And I'm happy you tasted it.! Keep up the good work
First Moog drills through his wrist, now he chugs ethanol. I don't see a very bright future for him XD JK
0:05 savage
I dig the bikes you guys always got in the background.
Nice job, was a well presented video guys!
17:40 Finally a Volvo on MCM!
And here comes that one person who uses diesel.
me.
+xureality DIESEL POWAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Tdi for the win
DIEsel
im sorry
They make electric trucks?!?
Arne Hurnik Nikolai you mean Tesla
Spotted that COLORADO, U.S.A. license plate. Represent. We LOVE you guys out here!!!
Gr8 Video MCM!
Funniest intro to an MCM vid.... ever.
Dude I'm gonna convert my race car to E85 it will be awesome!
Then I will use my backup car to drive 200 miles to look for E85 once a month and top up :)
That is all I use in my coon cage and it is so that all one needs to do is change the filter. However fomoco was so inventive in the 60's they never needed a oil change. 139,000 miles 4 quarts amsoil over time. Plus filling filter hey do a normal up keep and as prescribed these panthers last.
great video guys. i didnt even know e85 is less fuel efficient than regular gas. that definitely makes me want to get a flex setup instead of just e85
Just watched this eposide, great content, keep up the edumacational video's
im running my 06 legacy on e85 thanks guys
i dont have a flex fuel car and i run e85 mix in my 2011 audi a5 turbo....never ever an issue and it runs great..and cooler
This is y'alls best video yet
Great video guys! Very informative!
why aren't we funding this??????
+carlos mendes Oil companies pay people off to keep hold of the fuel industry.
+carlos mendes because governments would rather tax the hell out of companys that make it than fund it because they get more kickback from the companies that make regular petrol based fuels and the countries that provide them with the oil
+Moto Rad who told you such bullshit? E85 was a failed product in the US. Reason being is the BTU's it contains compared to gasoline and diesel, the amount of crops and land it is currently consuming that is dislocating alot of workers and economies in Brazil with sugar cane crops, in Mexico and Central American with maize/corn crops, and Southwestern USA as well with corn. Ethanol is alcohol, and is nothing new. You can run your car on pure methanol ethanol propanol ETC. To say that oil companies pay people off to keep hold of the fuel industry is beyond absurd. e85 was presented as an alternative biofuel by oil companies. I generally don't argue on youtube, but I have been in my studies for 4+ years on petroleum exploration, and to read such misinformation is beyond me.
cesar enriquez Do you sip your kool aid with your pinky out, or just gulp it?
oh, you own a WRX. bahahhahah.
3:44 Holy shiiiiiiit. I live there!!!! Wooooaaahhhhhhh. Broooooooo!!!
again what a amazing show !! can you do a episode about jeep wrangler , i don't think i have seen 4x4 in MCM . great show !!
Very informative video. I would like to see more videos like this.
Funny how that is, in Sweden we can get E85 almost everywhere. The big issue is that no one uses cars that can burn E85...
+Joakim Sundh Is it true that kids get payed to go to school in Sweden?
+FlightAce100 yes it is :)
Do you guys pay huge taxes then?
+FlightAce100 what to you is huge taxes? i pay 33% of my salary in taxes. but i ger free healthcare and other benefits aswell.
Ye but the state have unfortunately increased the tax on E85 so the price on E85 have increased a lot :/
Sooo, where can I find this Cheryl?
I think I have learnt more from you guys then I did from training aha. Is there anywhere Moogs tongue hasn't been? ;) that had me crying.
Excellent video! Good explanation of e85. Thank you. Greetings from Chile