Would I buy the FERRARI F430?
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2018
- If I would have around 100k to spend for a car, would I consider the Ferrari F430?
- 2007 Ferrari F430
- 4.3 V8 490 BHP
- F1 robotized paddle shift gearbox 6 gears
- rear wheel drive
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Short but sweet video. You look like you’re enjoying yourself. Looking forward to the next video
Thanks for uploading! And Merry Christmas :)
Jon Dechent You’re welcome! Thank you, you too!!😃👌
manual is double price. but the paddle is a clutch actuator on a manual gearbox. so you can swap out the parts for a manual lever..
PavlosP When I made this video the price of a manual here in the Netherlands was around 25% higher than the F1 gearbox. Might have changed though. Oh yeah, that’s right. It’s the same gearbox. Just like the E46 M3 smg/manual.
I have memories with this car. We had one in the red colour, F430 Rosso Corsa 😍
Dhananjay Khandal Yeah, I’ve seen the picture😉 Cool!!👊👌
Great video, superb car! Merry christmas to you :)
Fabian Ilmer Thanks Fabian! Wish you great and happy days too!😃👍
I've driven many miles in 360s and F430s, road and track. For a 360 I'd go for the manual every time as the F1 gearbox was still underdeveloped. Clutch take-up and wear rates still needed work whereas the manual was fine, with that mechanical shift-from-the-shoulder feel that goes back to the first 308s. But the manual F430 is not as satisfying; the pedal positions and weights are not ideal for heel-and-toe. Right from the start for the F430 they spent thousands of hours and millions of Euros integrating the F1 gearbox with the E-diff and the CST and you can feel all that working with you as you drive, particularly on track. Basically, if you go for the manual you're just chucking all that away for something that's neither as fun nor as quick. Manuals are currently attracting a 20% premium in cost because of nostalgia, not the actual driving experience. That is also why so few were ordered as manuals when they were new amd why there has not been a manual 458 or 488 since. You'll also find that cars built after around mid-2008 are significantly better in both F1 gearbox and chassis performance and of course the Scud and 16M are best of all.
Tim Gosling Thanks for the clear explanation!👍 That makes it clear. But I think it’s just a shame that the manual gearbox is disappearing.. It’s all about the numbers these days. Only performance minded. But I’d rather be a second slower on a racetrack and have way more fun in a manual, than driving for example the PDK (which in my opinion is one of the best automatic gearboxes so far).
@@PureDriveTV I agree. A good set-up where the heights, spacing and weights will let you play the pedals without effort. Combined with an accurate, mechanical gearshift it's one of the finest joys in driving. The 308, 348 and 355 were all like that, the 360 not far behind, but the manual 430 is just not as good as the F1. Then there's another debate to be had over single-clutch versus double.... There are probably still people around who would rather have a manual choke (and it was fun to know how many times to pump the accelerator to start a weber carburettor 308) but would you go as far as wanting an ignition advance on the steering wheel like a Bug Type 35? It's a question of how intimate you want to get with your car.
Tim Gosling You’re completely right. Actually, my girlfriend owns a prewar car. It’s an Amilcar CGS from 1925 (without ignition advance though), and we drive sometimes rallies with it, it’s great! But I wouldn’t want to daily it!😅
Just like you’ve said, in the end it’s about personal preference.
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Another great video. Would love to see you review a modern Lotus - Exige or Evora, especially the Cup versions? They’re really the last of the pure analog sports cars - light, manual transmission, wonderful steering and handling. Autovisie did some great video reviews of them at Hethel.
Craig Yirush Thanks! Yeah, I want to do a Lotus this year. I should be able to do that. Not sure when yet..😁
Thanks again!😃👍
Craig Yirush Lotus does have a history of problems with the car needing repair even with the Evora GT. I know they use a Toyota engine. But if you want to stay within the cars warranty there are not that many dealers and they mostly likely are far from your home. Even in a big city it would take most of your day to drop of the car and get a rental. The thing about the Ferrari is there are more clubs that the Lotus. I know the Lotus is an excellent car when it is working but I have seen a lot of reviews now where new owners were having a lot of troubles their new cars and the dealers were not the best with customer service.
@@PureDriveTV Fantastic The Ferrari F430
please do some old bmws next, the e39 or e36. great channel!
Gagan Derpson I hope to do the E39 M5 soon! And maybe I’ll be able to do the E46 M3 CSL and Z3M coupe before the summer.😃👌
Thanks!👍
Buy Ferrari 430 spider or California (which one is more reliable)
if you leave it in 1st gear when you turn the car off it wont beep at you when you get in and out. the F1 works like a manual...that way you park it in gear.
PayOutPro Admin Oops...I’m seeing this comment just now haha🙈 Anyway, thanks! I didn’t know that😃👍
I'm confused! In a manual, wouldn't you have to take your hands off of the steering wheel to change rears?
Allen Coleman Yes sir. And I prefer a manual all day every day. Way more involvement and controle over the car. But that is personal preference of course. The thing with paddle shifts is that the whole point of them being: Not taking your hands of the wheel. So when you drive for example a Porsche, Mclaren etc... In those cars the paddles turn together with the wheel. Like in every modern day racing car. So what I mean is, when you put paddles in a car, do it properly. Not stuck in one position like in this Ferrari. I hope that makes it a bit clear😄👍
Thank you for uploading. Would buy one, but in Manual. Would take a manual over a scud. Unfortunately, I can't afford one - prices are insane.
FTLAUD 911 😁👍 I agree! Yep, it seems that the prices are stabilising and probably getting up. #savethemanual
I take scud.. Manual would drive to shit already so what the point buying it?
A manual 430 is double the price. There is a place in Texas called European Auto Group that will covert the F1 to manual for around $30,000. I prefer a manual too for more of a driving experience.
dphotos Yeah, the manuals are rising quickly.
Are your hands not off the wheel when shifting a manual? With paddles in a fixed position they are always found in same location. Great video!
Eric Moore yes, with a manual you have to let go of the steeringwheel to shift. I really prefer that, because that makes the driver even more important and more conected. But when there are paddles, then the whole point of the paddles is not only to shift faster but also to keep your hands on the wheel. So when you steer in the correct (racing)way, you always hold the wheel in the same position. So when the paddles are fixed you could find yourself in a position sometimes where you can’t reach the paddles. That’s why I always prefer paddles that move along with the wheel. :)
Thank you!👍
Hey, people can driving fast with one hand...... We being doing this for so many years... Now, no car person would had problem with that.
campkira Exactly! RIP manual...😔
I get it, but why the bashing of a fixed mounted paddle shift that you have to move your hand?
Eric Moore Becuase the point of the paddle shifts is to keep your hands on the wheel. I personally don’t mind taking my hand of the wheel, but when I do it has to be for a good reason. And in my opinion the only reason should be a gear stick. It’s like going to a 3 star restaurant and ordering simple frensh fries. Frensh fries are great, but why all the fancy trouble...?😁
I'd take a paddle shift over a manual any day. Driving a manual in London traffic is awful and my F1 gearbox is easy to use. I also disagree with you about the paddles being positioned on the steering wheel. I had an E46 M3 which had that layout and I didn't like it. For me, it was more difficult to search for the paddles when oversteering or really frenetic driving. That is the point of fixing the paddles just behind the steering wheel
moosehak It’s all of course a personal preference.😁👌
I can imagine a manual is annoying in heavy traffic. But the F430 F1 gearbox is using the clutch to long/much when driving away in 1st gear. So the clutch wears faster than when you would properly use a clutch with your foot. But I can imagine that wouldn’t really be a reason to go for the manual when you prefer the F1 gearbox, which I understand of course.
On the paddles we won’t agree, haha😄
When you’re in a oversteer situation...why would you shift anyway? The only time that would be is when you’re drifting. In that case you’re completely correct. But you need to put down some serious fast and long drifts in order to shift up.
And the rest I explained in the video already. There is a reason that every proper racing car has the paddles stuck to the wheel.😎
Good luck trying to find a 6 speed manual F30 on to 100K!
RICARDO ANGULO AVILA Thanks!🙏😃
You downshift before and up shift after corners not during.
Gene Chee Not always. There are race tracks and situation where you have to shift down while trail braking into a corner or shift up while accalerating out of a long “opening” corner.
Try downshift before corner. With your level in manual, You going end up into the corner...... (If you down shift to early there are too much torque go to rear wheel.)Professional can do it but it just depend on corner some corner you can shift after. Nothing is absolute. If you don't do time attack, Shift afterward is safer. Plus it is not your car.....
campkira What do you mean with “with your level going to end up in the corner”?
There are always only 2 moments to shift while racing.
1. Shift up when you hit max rpm.
2. Shift down directly within about 1 second when you hit the brakes.
So on this track there are some slight corners where you keep accelerating full throttle and in mid-corner the engine is (almost) at max rpm. Than you have to shift. So the fixed paddles are annoying. Than please give me a manual.
On some racetracks you trail brake into the corner, for example the first corner at the Suzuka racetrack. And in that case you have to shift back while turning in.
The f430 or the orange r8v10 ?
Danny Mcewen The R8 for me!🙏🔥 Which one would you rather have?
@@PureDriveTV sound 430, overall r8!
Have you driven the Aston Martin V8 Vantage?
Tommy Freckmann Yes, I did quite some times. I love the styling, but the driving experience wasn’t that good. I didn’t drive the manual though. The automatic gearbox felt terrible..🙈 But to be honest I wouldn’t mind owning one with a manual.😁
PureDriveTV ok. I didn’t know that you had. I own a manual Vantage and love it. I’d never even give the auto gearbox a chance in a Vantage. I do dream of a Ferrari, but my Aston has been so awesome that idk if it’d be worth it.
Tommy Freckmann Cool!! I like the Aston styling more! But of course it’s all about personal preference and what are important factors for you in a car. That differs from person to person.
fantastic video
martin sowerby Thank you!😃👍 Have you seen some of the other reviews aswell?
@@PureDriveTV yes, and they are superb. The best on here for me to be honest. simple, truthful and to the point.
martin sowerby Cool to hear that! Thanks!!🙏😃
the F430 scuderia is way better than the standard version ,IMO
888 Interlagos Of course. That’s why it is the Scuderia😁👌 It’s also almost twice as expensive.
They improved however it already outdated by today standard. Still want one..
Still can't believe Ferrari does not have the shifter paddles rotating with the wheel, while all Porsches are designed like this.
Exactly! Thank you🙏
You can't moan about it not being a manual and then also complain that you have to take your hands off the wheel to shift gear 😄
I drive a 360 with the F1. The good thing about the paddles not moving is that you always know where they are.. So for example if you are doing a complex, fast or overlapping steering motion with your arms, you can short shift more easily (yes, with one hand off the wheel) because the paddles are always where they should be. If they moved with the wheel, I imagine it might be possible to accidentally downshift instead of upshift which could have quite a bad effect on a track with the torque transfer from say 3rd to 2nd.
It's so easy to complain about the F1, but if it was / is so terrible, why is every sports car now a paddle shift..? 🤔
G B Thanks for the comment. Good discussion coming up😉
I moan about it not being a manual because I personally prefer the manual gearbox. BUT if it’s a paddleshift gearbox anyway, than that’s made for the speed of shifting AND keeping your hands on the wheel. Otherwise they could mount the paddles on the roof. So if I have to take my hand of the wheel to shift up with paddles, than I might aswell take my hand of to reach the for the stick which is more enjoyable for me.
I’m a fulltime racing driver, instructor and coach. This is my profession. The paddles should be stuck to the wheel. Brands like Porshe, Mclaren, BMW get that. When you’re racing on track you never have to take your hands of the wheel. They always should be in the same position, no matter the corner. So with paddles stuck to the wheel, you can keep your hands on the wheel like it should be and be able to shift anytime. Just look at any proper racing car like the 488 GT3. There is a reason why those paddles are stuck to the wheel. Heck..look at F1.
The paddles are in every modern sportscar because of a very obvious reason. People can’t drive properly. So the paddles make it way easier. Try to look like a hero driving a 1970 Ferrari or Porsche. To be able to do that takes quite some practice and skill. Buy a modern sportcar, and anyone is a hero. The mass isn’t always “correct” ;)
I’ve driven the 360 quite some times and I love the raw nature of the car. Too bad they don’t make them that emotional anymore.
@@PureDriveTV I think the theory (at least) with paddles is that you can concentrate on braking (without worrying about heel toe) and making the apex more effeciently. I think they both have their merits. For example, if I was driving Nurburgring for the first time, I'd prefer paddles just so I could focus on the most important things (like not dying) 😄
And actually for public roads and speed limits, I find a semi auto really useful because although a very skilled / practiced driver *could* heel toe without absolute mashing the brake pedal, I always find I am simply overbraking because I am not carrying the speed needed to apply the amount of brakes that makes heel to feel more natural. I bet a lot of people have messed this up on public roads. Plus.. I feel like the older robotized single clutches (ie the F1) actually give you that "manual feeling" that rawness that's actually missing from dual clutches. Dual clutch shifts just aren't as dramatic.
I think Ferrari is still doing the static paddles? Pretty sure I saw a Pista track review where the guy mentioned that. I do think it's a thing. If you're single handedly unwinding or using heavy opposite lock, just knowing the upshift is at 9 o clock means you're less likely to redline (in my opinion). But then again the Ferrari redline is a beautiful thing 😊
G B We mostly agree, but our preferences are different. Which is fine of course😁👌
When you’re pushing the car to the limit at the track during a practice, quali or a race and your car has paddles then you really don’t want to let one hand go of the wheel to shift up in a situation where the paddles are static. You would lose time or some less skilled drivers even the car. Luckily and logically every proper racing car has paddles which move along with the wheel. If there would be a proper manual gearbox, then that’s an extra element in driving/fighting the car which makes racing not so easy. So there would be a good reason to “have to” let go of the wheel to shift. But when there are paddles, you should just be able to hold the wheel at any time.
When you come out of a corner and apply just 2% too much throttle you get a bit of oversteer. You always catch the car better/sooner with both hands on the wheel. So if you’re in that situation while having to shift up...with static paddles that’s drama.
Just look at any GT3, LMP1, F1 etc...onboard.
Yes, Ferrari are still doing the static paddles. Except for the proper Ferrari racing cars.
And also YES, Ferrari redline is always beautiful. Especially the older ones!💪🔥
How long do you have yours?
@@PureDriveTV I do get you. It's obviously a very 50/50 debate.
Like you say for quick correction from oversteer, yes you're right, two hands on the wheel gives more control. A point I made elsewhere is that aside from short shifting to control wheel spin (you'd need that more in a Merc / high torque car), a lot of the important gear changes should be made on a straight / while the wheel is at centre anyway, right? I guess for long sweeping corners there is sometimes the need to change up mid corner (while the wheel isn't centred), so it could get a little complicated there, but then releasing one hand in a soft sweeping corner shouldn't be too much of a problem
I think the argument probably comes more into play when we're talking about big crazy drifts when the wheel is way from centre or as mentioned when you're looking to short shift and this is probably only because you've applied too much throttle in the first place! I think static paddles are probably a better education for more novice drivers. Ie aleays be changing down (and braking) in a straight line and change up with minimal wheel movement.
So I've owned two 360s now. Both cars have given me numerous problems :( it's been a very rough 2019. First car I had to reject for a refund, it was so bad. Second car seems to be OK for now. Coming from a number of years of Porsche ownership it has been quite an education in patience... But.. Ferrari is Ferrari. The hype is real. They are special cars and you will suffer more for them (like all the best women) 😄
@@PureDriveTV just noticed the Huracan Evo has paddles that don't move 😝
Loved the video, I do have one and know what you mean. Its a great car.
You have a very cool car!🙏 Thanks!!👊
F430. Beautiful... Super Power.
Too bad $100K manual cannot be had. Manual price is competing with a 458.
OC Photos True, the manuals are quite valuable.
A manual one will cost you and extra €70,000 - 80,000.
D Wnright A few years ago here in the Netherlands the price difference wasn’t that big. But I see it growing for sure.
the manuals will run you an extra $50k in todays market
NYC Inkmaster Yeah, they’ve gone up quite a lot.
Pravi Ferari je sa manuelnim menjačem, sve ostalo su pomodarska sranja 👍
Ferrari believes F1 is the proper gearbox. Maserati used that gearbox for many their cars too. And then some blogger says "that's a shame" for them to have such a gearbox. Sure, whatever.
Are you talking about the gearbox or the position of the paddles?
Ferrari 430 doesn’t have an adjustable steering wheel. That’s stupid. Another way to say it is Ferrari has shitty engineers and they don’t care about their consumers. I am a former Ferrari owner. How can a car manufacturer get away with not being able to make an AC that works? It’s just pathetic.
You never find in manual for 100 k then you must buy 360.
Yeah, true. There aren’t a lot of 430 manuals out there. Price is rising indeed.