Easy DPS Does Not Mean Lazy DPS- Here is an Example
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Just documenting a perfect example of easy DPS with grand overture during arc surge.
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Whoever didn't understand the last video, didn't want to understand the last video. full stop.
Agreed - core message was pretty clear
But, but, but, my Izzy hot swap...
That was my thoughts. When things are put in layman's terms, you can't fix stupid
Real. Personally I can hit a pretty great hotswap no problem, been at it for years, so it's a non-issue for me, but sometimes a lazy cook literally works better. It's really dependant on the boss and the timing and the player.
Yea, people just like being argumentative on the internet
This video is quite rambly but the message is something I get behind:
- don't believe that a one-phase is both the only way to do things or even feasible with any team
- make your builds/loadouts to be practical for every situation, not hyper optimal for only dps
- conversely, unless you're new and don't have the gear or everyone is onboard. Don't actively throw
- ease of use is a factor
- it's a video game
hahaha thank you! Yes, basically the message I was going for
You forgot one thing : it's better to build and act to stay alive first and then throw some damage in
hyper optimal dps loadouts, and then they suck in the rest of the encounter is such a classic.
Exactly! Do your best and don't actively throw, listen to suggestions and see if you CAN improve with a little tweak here or there if it doesn't bother you to change something, etc.
I just recently got my first clear of this exact dungeon (Warlords Ruin) duo with a friend and their friend; the bosses were two-phases and we had a hiccup on the ogre here the first time, but was smooth sailing after that.
We had fun, we got the completion, it didn't take overly long and we weren't stressing.
I think we swapped a few weapons now and then, each time of our own volition with no pressure to perform from the others, just wanting to do our best to contribute from within the build we felt comfortable in and wanted to bring. Like iirc I was running Ex Diris for a big chunk of the run, but swapped for something more practical on the final boss
We still cleared almost every event (except when we all goofed the freeze on the ogre the first time lol) got the win and most importantly, had FUN along the way, with the GAME. 👍🏻
One phase is only necessary if the windup is insanely long. Two phase is the only thing I would say is necessary with experienced players. I can do a full 3 if I'm playing with inexperienced players or players who have never done the activity before. These activities aren't one off, are meant to be grinded and there are a lot of other things to do in the game on top of that, especially when you consider everyone has a life. Spending 3-4 hours on one raid or 2 on one dungeon isn't anyone's idea of a fun day except those who only ever planned to do that one activity that day and nothing else wither with the game or irl.
Grand overture my beloved
The look on my teammates faces when I whip it out for caretaker as if they want to kick me to the moon
Nah, that's when they caught you using DARCI. 😊
Same as me, when i was on Atraks with Grand Overture + star eater/blade barrage hunter. At the end, only arc titans deal more damage than me.
Especially if you use hazardous propulsion
grand overture is actually a good option for 2 flooring caretaker, very much like parasite. It has the highest burst damage in game (but terrible sustained damage). Most people just don't understand how to use it properly.
@nightismonochrome I actually don't but would love to learn if you're willing to give a quick rundown. I don't need it dumbed down or up at all, just in your own words. I hear it works with the titan chestpeice too?
The message in your last video was crystal clear.
The biggest problem is people forget it’s a game, have fun!
Amen
This game can take more place in a life than we realise
sometimes people forget that a lot of people find that optimizing can be fun :D
@@toad4641 I am always focused on enjoying my time in the game, and I do enjoy trying to optimize myself. I just make a point to not be the guy that forces everyone to optimize and take all the fun out of it for everyone else.
yea but dont force it on others or be a dick if someone isnt using wt big papa streamer said too@@toad4641 not that you are, but just in general yknow?
Grand Overture is such an underrated exotic imo
The burst damage on that missile barrage is severely underrated and its ammo economy is insane.
I use grand overture in any debatable situation. I almost never die during raid/dungeon encounters, so I don't lose my missles. I use this gun since first day of Witch Queen release, so I got used to optimize my rockets and implement the gun into a build. This is literally the most free damage I can think of and every time I need huge burst and/or total damage I take this gun. No complicated rotations, just pure effectiveness.
This thing work against witness?
@@sQuaTsiFieD 1000% especially with titans with hazardous propulsion chest piece.
@@sQuaTsiFieD yes, why not. Titan's new chest exotic buffs the rocket part of overture, so the damage goes really high, on hunter there's foetracer (but I suppose it will work only on arc). On warlock I prefer using microcosm instead - that thing has very high total damage too (which is highly required on witness).
@@joaquinpangelinan9862unfort it doesnt work with radiant
@@Sargatas pretty sure you can get foetracer + star eaters on prismatic. its tied to the ability you used so as long as you have any arc ability in your kit itll work.
The next elitism thing we need to scrub out of peoples' minds: "WIPE!"
Keep playing, don't throw for no reason. Even if something major went wrong that will prevent winning the encounter, keep playing as normal to get the practice out. In all my LFG raids, the most often reason we die is because someone yells wipe when something minor went wrong; not even because we crossed a point of no return. I'll give some examples:
-Damage phase falling short on Golgoroth. If pillar's not at 6, you can still kill him
-Not successfully cheesing Atraks. Just have a couple people go down and get her down there, then go again because you sure as hell haven't run out of Lament/Parasite/Overture ammo
-Losing Leeching Force on Rhulk. Get the next one
-Less than expected damage on Warpriest. Unless everyone was doing their best and you (my team) just have skill issue, you can do more than expected on the next rounds
-Missing a planet on Explicator, even twice. You probably still have enough time to avoid wiping if you go quickly
-Someone dies or falls off the edge with a relic in the third or fourth room of Exhibition. It respawns at the stands
wow, very true and good examples!
Why tf did I experience each of these my first runs of each respective raid?
Yeah all of these are true pretty true except explicator (missing the planet swap twice is just a fail 95% of time unless god speed) too often does my lfg wipe on small mistakes.
People are just too focused on trying to clear an encounter as quickly as possible that they'll take 2 hours to do it when running the thing normally would have taken 30 minutes at most. They get too hung up on that "one phase" and it becomes a pride/ego thing. It's annoying.
Most of the time people call wipe it’s either because wiping would be faster or they like doing encs perfectly. Believe it or not some people are good at the game and like playing as such. I’m ngl the biggest issue in lfg is how bad the average lfg is not wanted to learn or listen. And they won’t even let you carry them LMAO.
You should totally try overture with titan and propulsion. I heard it works and sounds like great burst damage.
the patch notes this week from Tuesday made it sound like it was patched to "only work with rockets". I haven't tested it since tuesday, but I am guessing it no longer works
@@itztizzlenah the patch notes were to fix its interaction with radiant. Radiant and Well were overriding the damage buff from Exodus rockets even when exodus was the higher buff. They also made sure it won’t negate radiant on non-rockers when Exodus Buff is active. so if you use hazardous, get the 35% buff but are also radiant, the 25% buff from radiant will still apply to autos, snipers, etc without overriding the 35% to rockets, rocket sidearms, etc.
The damage buff to rocket mode on overture is 100% intentional
Parasite is great for this, one un buffed parasite shot does about as much as an unnerfed gallyshot, which is quite nice, u can just spam it
It's incredibly good with solar loaders and mountaintop, a manual reload with impulse amplifier is exactly the time needed to autolad parasite so you can shoot both, reload mountaintop, shoot both etc, and if you can kill enemies between phases it has incredible total damage, it's really good on locus if you kill the thralls between fires or between the floors on final boss
@@ivantarjan7360 I didn't know that, I got a mountaintop wit amp and vorpal I'ma try this out next time
Yeah parasite is a easy dps choice, and you can use it to take down yellow bar enemy as well. Rapid-fire fusion 2 shots and 1 parasite with 1 solar reload mod and that's the whole rotation. Whenever I just want to sit back and do no-brainer damage, I always pick this one.
they call it "lazy" cuz pressing buttons in sequence is the best they can do when shooting something standing still
This is such a good video. I would actually love to see more builds like this that are more comfy to run but still effective.
You are 💯% correct... a small part of the community will never agree with this approach unfortunately.
Thank you kindly for sharing fellow Gardian. 🍻
Love this!
I commented about my 'lazy man raiding style' on the last video and this is pretty much exactly what I was talking about!
It gets even better on titan because apparently grand overture's rockets count as rockets for the rocket buff
I love listening to you yap itsTizzle. Idk why but it’s satisfying..
i was hoping you would do some on dps. love your vids. i couldnt agree more with the last video, simple/ reliable rotation is always better, planets boss made me learn that in pantheon.
haha funnily enough, I knew this to be true, but planets boss is also where it really drove the point home. And the whole -20 pantheon run is where I really wanted to make that video. But like I said, didn't have time to make it
i was literally just shooting 3 apex rockets per plate(solar surge) and popping golden gun at the end of a plate. teammates were using izzy rocket(the optimal loadout that week), which was hard to pull off on that mf, and couldn't deal with the colossus very well. i had sunshot for adds, mountaintop for the colossus and apex for damage. easy, simple and effective.
I appreciate the message. As a knucklehead main I’m so used to people telling me I’m gonna do nothing/ getting booted from teams. But more times than not I’m doing decent dps. Swap your weapons, look at surges, play your orbs, know your weapon. Armor will only help a lil bit unless you’re maximizing its effectiveness
A point on the well rounded loadouts that I feel some people might not think about. At least with content creators I watch, there seem to be a lot of warlock players and people I notice will copy their weapon loadouts regardless of class, ignoring the fact that they can run these double special, very boss damage focused weapons, solely because builds like sunbracers etc have enough add clear on its own to cover most the encounter. Trying to slot this onto for example a solar hunter where you typically run a healing nade wont work because your ability kit cant pickup the slack from your lack of ad clear weapons.
this^
prismatic hunter is so good because you get the insane damage from gg and still hunt, but you also have the punchy part for neutral game, which has great survivability and add clear, while you also have your kinetic slot open for extra add clear if needed
I always try to aim for a safe 2 phase rather than a 50/50 1 phase. Plus it lets you be a little more creative than 1 phases.
Every time I do Atraks, I instantly start insisting that I stay down below to GUARANTEE Atraks goes back upstairs for a third damage phase, because I flat-out do not want to spend 2 hours trying to 1-phase Atraks when we could be done in 5 minutes by just playing for the guaranteed kill instead.
I remember once in a lfg, we got Golgoroth to 20% hp. Everyone but me agreed to wipe instead of just doing a 2 phase.
A big problem of 1 phase is you don't have enough heavy ammo for last stand, this happened a lot when fighting Rhulk or Nazerac
@@Angelo.A.Jwtf
@@Angelo.A.J The insane thing about that is getting to damage for Golgoroth is super fkn easy.
Literally just leave the pit and kill some adds for like one minute, then damage phase starts again. No mechanics, nothing to dunk or read or stand on, just kill some stuff then start the damage cycle again.
Nah man you were loud, concise, and clear last video
Dang, I was unaware that the 25% from the surge and the 10% from vorpal = 37.5% and not 35% 🤯 I always thought the % was added and not multiplied. This opens up so many heavy options in my vault that I've been neglecting. Thanks for dropping that knowledge @itsTizzle 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Man I’m thankful for those who didn’t understand, I received another Tizzle video because of that!🛐
Honestly you explained everything fine in the first video. People just hear what they want to hear and complain because they want to. Either way 2 great videos being realistic about dps. Thank you because ive said this in my raid group before and a couple people were convinced our weapons werent good enough because some of them werent the best god rolls in the current meta
This vid is a great example of Maximising vs Satisficing, and that Satisficing is generally the optimal strategy.
Legitimately for the longest time my main DPS choice was a star eater gathering storm set up using thunderlord and I constantly was always on par with other people.
You did a good job on the last video, some people just cant listen to both sides of an argument. good job on your latest videos
thank you!
Nothing wastes more time than trying to save time.
Not true lmao I do speedruns and I know that if good players go for a good time they will get a good time. For a casual it’s useless to use speedrun strats but for players like myself it’s a ton of timesave to use the Strats
@@D2Beagleit was obvious that they’re talking about casual players. You knew that, I knew that, we knew that - if you wanna gloat about being a speedunner, just do it.
@@Silkie_Dragon didn’t mean to gloat. If I wanted to I would’ve put my times or achievements but all I said is that I speedrun and it’s timesave to use speedrun strats.
@@Silkie_Dragonnot really obvious
Love grand overture. It shreds add clear and then amazing for boss or burst, hits like a truck. Very versatile 2 guns in 1.
a good way to put the message from these 2 vids is- running the optimal loadout isnt worth it if its not optimal for you.
if you will do more damage while running a basic loadout, its better than running an optimal loadout that will do less damage in the end.
remember, you aren't optimal if you're dead!
Thanks for your time
For the record I thought your last video was very clear and at no point did I assume you were advocating laziness lol. For what it’s worth. That said always enjoy more content so thanks for this!
Don't feel bad about Surges going away. The damage is being adjusted so that you essentially have the Surge on every weapon at all times. If you need Surges to change up your loadout, that's a You problem. I'll take the "use whatever you want" changes over a forced loadout swap every single time.
I feel the same about easy with good damage > hard only good damage with optimal, hence I love using dragons breath and just spraying away with my eremite/cartesian while it reloads itself
The more complicated parts involved, the more that can go wrong.
you could use it on titan with the new rocket exotic with indebted and matching surges to go crazy and use that new titan super for debuff
Nice video. Try reworked eddy current on the hand cannon, it's pretty good for voltshot
I'd say most people that refuses to acknowledge the last video also won't acknowledge this one.
A large number of of people simply do not understand what their own capabilities are and assume, that if they are using x Loadout they should automatically perform at the upper limit of said Loadout.
I personally love doing 2 part swap Loadouts for example, one for Ad-clear / mechanics and the other for dps, since you can freely swap weapons (except for heavy), mods and armor without loosing ammo / ability energy, as long your subclass configuration remains the same.
Though I also realise, that if someone else might try doing something like this they'd feel like the Loadouts aren't as strong, simply because they forget crucial steps, like not swapping to the Surge Loadout beforehand, not doing the right rotation for minimal reload downtime, not hitting required crits etc.
Hell off the top of my head, my favourite way of doing Ghalran in Duality is to use a Star-Eater-Scale boosted Strand Super on him, while he is debuffes with Tractor and maayybe I throw in a Voltshot if I remember, with even decent teammates it's always a 1-phase, so I never bothered to change.
In short, people lean too much towards, the Loadout will carry me, rather than thinking: what do I have to do for this Loadout to work
Dude... bravo. couldnt agree more. Have fun, imagine that! Cheers Bro
I absolutely adore Grand Overture, it may not be meta, but its just really, REALLY fun, especially landing a full salvo on a boss. ^_^
I think its just the overall message doesn't apply to a lot of players who clicked on the video, and as a result they just misinterpreted it. Most of the comments I saw on the video were players just looking for justification to do lazy DPS, those players probably just saw the title as: "why doing optimal dps isn't good, actually" and ran with it.
Kinda funny that you mentioned the surges a couple times only for them to be removed from dungeons and raids next week
grand overture my pride and joy
Work Smarter, Not Harder: The Movie
I wonder how much of a Money's Paw it's going to be with the removal of surges?
One of the only times ive felt like I have to max out my DPS to get through an activity is Day One Raids and Pantheon. Or if I was doing raids with mostly new players and had to carry.
Even Master Raids DPS maxxing isn't like super super important. Its more about getting to DPS phase. So yeah I completely agree with this.
Now maybe you should learn how to Max out your DPS rotations. Pantheon was fun as fuck because I felt like I had to kinda plan on some encounters. Most where just "use this surge with this GL" but for others it felt like more of a puzzle. Also playing into things like Class Warfare.
While i totally agree with your opinion in this video i want to point out that loadouts exist and we have 12 slots now. Its super easy to set up an encounter loadout with good adclear weapons and exo armor without any surges consuming your armor charges and right before damage you can swap to an optimised boss damage loadout easily
It's basically just about consistency.
Really like your videos and the way you talk.
Thank you!
King you didn’t even have to explain yourself but I get it
people being weird about the last video arent worth responding to, although the clarification is useful for the rest of us either way.
the "optimal dps" impetus hunter when I pull out the Izanagi's burden -> B&S GL magdump and still do decent dps while dying less.
That one guy in every raid group who has no idea how to do any mechanics and is always on ad clear is shaking RN.
Mr. Incredible: DPS is DPS!!!!!!
I agree with your assessment
100% agree with you... but grand overture has the explosive light issue too, right? if you die, there goes dps
yes true. But it has the benefit of being good for damage and general play between phases, so while you may still die, it is easier to stay alive when you have this gun on, you just have to expend some ammo. And even then, I showed that I only had 10 missiles loaded and we still did great damage
I think you explained just fine. People are just.... like that
If a thunderlord is out-dpsing you while using a real setup, it's not "easy damage being effective" it's you missing rockets, missing crits, overall messing up a rotation. Thunderlord cannot EVER out-dps a real setup, that is a known fact.
Also, ngl dunno why people don't use grand overture more often, it's simple for low end users and can be optimised for high end players. Massive sleeper of a weapon imo.
consistency > optimal.
I'm just getting back into the game. Are legendary machine guns that bad for dps? I was hoping the new pro memeoria with reconstruction and b&s would be pretty good. O haven't gotten to do much testing with it outside of dual destiny and legendary campaigns
machine guns are for add clear. They are not good for DPS
You should try out bastion for even easier dps. The new buff is actually pretty good
Great take.
My problem is that sometimes I don't what to use, like "Should i use a precision base weapon or a Granade/Rocket Launcher or Wisper or Leviathan and so on.
I bet i can talk for some people when you don't legitimately know what to use you go on RUclips and write "Best Weapon for X Boss.
An lfg almost kicked me a couple months ago cause I wasn’t using apex predator and I was just using a hot head and I had top damage after the fact cause I didn’t miss any shots and didn’t forget about bait and switch cause a teammate died and I had to get a res or something. I just dumped ammo and kept going with thoughtless overflow firing line sniper. So because mine was brain dead it turned out better cause all these guys were new lights and didn’t have a proper grasp of the encounter at all but just watched an ehroar video and assumed they knew everything from that.
What's that roll on your nation of beasts? It looks fun to use because of the explosions
dragonfly voltshot
@@itztizzle thank you!
Well ACTUALLY!! ❤
this is the truest thing I've ever heard i saw my friends dps pulled blues for collections and the did 2mil more damage then him becuse he was failing swaps i was running two snipers and a gl all blue
People tend to forget... it's a game. Fortunatly my fireteam is like 70% min maxy but if we fuck up we just banter, laugh and finish the run while having fun
That 25% ark burns helps too 🤣
Ive noticed a lot of people dont understand the difference between optimal dps and effective dps. take ofa for example, on paper its great, in practice its garbage in most situations. Its great if its on your add clear weapon and you will gain the benefits passively but if i have to take time out of my dps phase to shoot a few enemies to reproc it 3 times per phase, is it really worth running over vorpal and just turning my brain off? Sure i MIGHT squeeze out an extra 100k damage but thats not gonna be the difference in a 1 or 2 phase in most scenarios.
Is Levi Breath still good for DPS?
Yes if you hit your crits. I used it on void surge week and it slapped
Oh yea it does
Yeah, as long as you have the catalyst and hit your crits
Yes, I'd put it up there with Sleeper Simulant.
What hand cannon is that?
What gun is he using in this video
My teammate: why arent you using a solar holster to reload still hunt and swapping?
Me: because I'll fuck it up and my number will be lower.
Teammate: i don't understand
Me: I've tried that, I'm bad at it. This is sufficient. I'm top damage rn.
Instead of "Easy DPS", perhaps say "Reliable DPS". I know what you mean and 100% agree, but the Internet is full of stupid trolls that love to harp on symantics.
You can shoot an immune enemy and still make rockets. You could get about 8 -10 free (yeah it cost ammo) rockets in between torches.
i literally say that in the video???
Nothing was lost in translation. People who didn't get what you were saying are being willingly dense.
Honestly dps has never really been an issue for teams that run often even if you dont use optimal, my team 2 phased nezerec pantheon with whisper for example - however it feels like the witness is impossible to 'easy dps' as you just fall so far behind hunters rn
great guide on how to play like a normal person
Weaken Grenade
Exodus Rockets
20x grand overture
Its a long setup and yea if u die its back to square 1
I did it during breach protocol Vex boss and took a little over a quarter health just me alone
Dont worry about topping the leaderboard in damage but also dont be on the bottom
GRAND OVERTURE MENTIONED
WHAT THE FUCK IS AN UNSATISFYING GUN🗣️‼️
tl:dr use whatever ur comf with
What hand cannon is it your using and what roll is it?
It's nation of beasts from last wish with dragonfly / voltshot
@@smiffy.airsoft.ghillie5861 thx for the answer
This hand cannon looks bussin i must know what it is please!
Nvm i listened!
what if i told you its takes me 5 dps runs.
Remember kids, dead dps is no dps. Take it from me
haha if only I followed my own advice
A guaranteed 2 phase is better than 50/50 one phase. And rather than wiping, just finish it.
Easy in execution!
Man, how do people not get this? You think this would just be common knowledge.
The people who didn’t understand the last video should just hold left click with thunderlord😂
What hand cannon was that man?
nation of beasts
@@itztizzle it can roll voltshot? 🤩
RIP surges
Could you do a video on what the best mod combination are for dmg?
Triple surge is cool, but I'm missing insulation or scav
Time dilation or other mods etc
I often have the problem that when going to dmg I don't have orbds/charges for surges
do loadout swaps if you want it to be optimal. If not, then just run surges and learn to live without those leg mods. That's what I do because I am too lazy to do loadout swaps
@@itztizzle sounds like a plan, really dislike loadout swaps as I sometimes forget them and then I'm screwed
Yeah I agree with tizzle, if you don't really want to deal with loadout swaps just use surges with maybe 1 time dilation (i typically run 2x surge, 1x dilation). I can't count the amount of times I've forgotten to swap off my scav legs and missed out on 17% extra damage
i’d rather my lfgs shoot a special weapon at the boss rather than hold left click thanks
Name of handcannon at 15:28? Please and thanks.
Midnight coup you can get from onslaught
Appreciate you!
I honestly despise the grandoverture that thing is not worth using imo. Waste 20 shots of heavy to dump 20 shots of high dps when I could just use something else. I like the paracite because the stacks are passively gained and dont require me to use any heavy ammo. The go also takes forever to charge. I prefer lazy over spending what feels like minutes gaining stacks to dump then spending more time to gain more stacks to then dump. I also never play hunter or warlock so I have to manually reload everything, dont use the chest that slowly reloads lmgs since I still have to reload anyway and it takes away the neutral game of the other exotics I run.
How is it wasting ammo? Whether you're using it neutral game or during damage, you are still getting use out of it. In fact, it's more useful than other heavies because you have to baby them so much in order to have it available during damage. Like we see in the video, he melts the scorn bosses with it for insane ease of mechanics, AND he's buffing himself for the damage phase at the same time. Literally, god tier weapon.
Keep in mind that we deal atleast 28% more damage in dungeons than last season. The one phase isn’t that „hard“ anymore
We do less we lost 25 power on enemies and only got surges to compensate
@@herbalketchup45 check the last twab, they shared numbers there, if we use the surged weapon we deal atleast 28% more dmg than last season, since the power cap of the dungeon of warlords ruin/gotd was (1790-on first boss &) 1820 on final boss I bet a lot of players didn’t hit max light level to deal max damage on the final bosses. So by default we deal 3% more dmg, if we use surges another 25% and since a lot of people were not 1940 last season they will deal now even more.
1 phasing this ogre is very easy in the current sandbox, especially when surges are gone & u can use whatever tf u want
wait steam as in ItzSteam????
used to be his name. He is back to SteamOp
@@itztizzle ah ok the ItzSteam i know still goes by ItzSteam afaik, funny coincidence though lol
What's wrong with lazy dps?
This is why the mouth breathers on Reddit can be so insufferable sometimes. They watch one Aegis video and now everything has to be “optimal.”
But if it’s taking most teams two phases for most bosses anyway, who cares if you’re using Thunderlord or something less meta.