Thanks for mentioning Jacksonville. We are tore up here. It is an absolute nightmare scenario. Ralph was a great man by all accounts. Jacksonville and MOWA are off for a few weeks now. Hopefully some time away for everyone here helps the healing process.
I support gray area shenanigans, but if the USAC rules say outright that it isn't legal then this isn't a gray area. Doesn't matter what the Outlaws rulebook says when it's a USAC event. Their event, their rulebook, and while taking advantage of what the rules don't say is genius, acting in blatant violation of the rules is, as far as I'm concerned, the sign of a subpar racecar builder who can't win while fighting fairly. You wanna build an extra setup option into a car that'll get raced at both Outlaws and USAC shows? Cool. But if anyone gets caught at a USAC show doing something that the USAC rulebook plainly says is illegal, then fuck 'em.
That’s what I’m saying, ie: it has to be between the axles and someone bolted lead to the back side of the front axle, that’s a grey area smart ass move, not when it’s completely in front of the axle
Bolt on weight between the axles and between the frame rails has been in the USAC rule book for 40+ years. Another example of usac not enforcing the rules in a timely fashion.
My concern with the weight rule is minimal they either need to enforce it or allow it and make sure people are properly securing them. My main concern is that the heat races meant nothing at the USAC race, all 3 heat race winners started out side of the top 5. I understand that qualifying is very important with usac but you should at least be rewarded for a heat race win.
As a racing photographer I've never been close to being hit by a bolt on weight from a sprint car.... on different occasions a tire, a torsion bar stop and shock have come close.... The aluminum wheel covers, like the one that was picked up by Harrisburg airport's radar as it cleared turn 3 at BAPS, should be of more concern..... how about all the people that strap a camera on a car cause they want to be a RUclips star... if they have to use steering rod tethers, then there should be a tether for those things as well
I was at the macon racing on thurs and friday. I've never seen J. Feger run as well as he did on thurs! Friday stuf was going late after most cars had left and usac was still looking it over. I was in Robert's pit getting something signed. They were wondering why the officals were still checking the cars.
I remember back in the 80s before aluminum blocks were the norm the bolted big round weights on the frame beside the engine. That was if you were running an aluminum block. Can't remember the weight but there was good size one on each side.
No shit. Anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension ability can see that it's pretty cut and dried. Within the confines of the chassis not forward of the front axle nor aft of the rear axle sounds undoubtedly black and white to me.
If USAC does not DQ those cars then they just as well throw their hole rule book out there is no gray area in it at all their rules say not in front of the axle and between the frame rails all they had to do was read the rules and they would have known that they were illegal and my word to USAC it has enforce the rules are you going to be in deep trouble a series is only as good as their tech people following the rule book
USAC knew about the weight in the front before the heat races and didn’t tell teams that they were illegal so they didn’t even know until after the feature
If USAC actually enforced half their rule book then every car would get disqualified. Been that even before I started racing in it. So don't expect anything to change ever.
Hats off to Lucas Oil Speedway for an absolutely perfect racing surface at Friday night's High Limit show. For the boys out in Ohio who seem to fashion themselves as track prep experts having been sold the dry slick is best myth, shock of all shocks, a great race didn't require a dry slick dust bowl. I'll take what we saw Friday night, a track with moisture racing 4 wide into 1 and 3 and passes coming from the top middle and bottom. Best of all, every fan in the joint saw every second of the action from hot laps to the Main's checker. Prolly not a good idea to lecture dirt fans that know better boys.
Yea as a local to Lucas, Humboldt, Lakeside, I-35, Central Mo I now realize how spoiled we are. I see track prep other places on Flo and always go WTF…. Also LM shows at Lucas are usually a snooze fest so maybe it will turnout to be a great Sprint car track.
@@Brian-vd4mg Let's not forget the drivers and teams have led the charge to run on dryer tracks. We've all heard the same reasons over and over, wider track equals better racing. To some extent, that is true. What gets lost in the BS is, a track with clay can in it can be prepped to widen out and we saw prove of that at Lucas. It's gotten to where the tracks say, OK the drivers like a dry slick track and dryer is cheaper so let the fans eat dust . From what I've seen LMs run pretty much run center to the bottom at Lucas. With as much a bank the track has watching LMs run around the bottom in the slick and rubber would be a snooze fest. You'd have to go along way to see a better show anywhere as what we saw at Lucas last Friday night with the High Limit show. Come on track operators, at least pretend you listen to your fans. First thing you learn about dirt track prep is, you have to put water in the track not on it. 2nd, you don't start track prep the morning of the show - you should be about done the morning of the show. Depending on your clay, maybe another couple of laps with the water truck an hour or 2 before packing.
@@cdmit27 If you have no clay, you're right, regular top soil isn't gonna do anything. There's no clay anywhere in Ohio or near by.? Old river bottoms old marshes ?
Bullets are lead because lead is cheap,easy to form/mold,has decent weight for momentum,soft enough to grab the rifling(just so happened that that they were already lead before rifling was a thing but still a reason )
The average non participating Fans / viewers as well as hobbyist and extremely green teams/ drivers don’t grasp the difference between “Cheating, innovation or working between the lines in the grey. Adding weight doesn’t necessarily mean advantage unless it’s in certain unsprung locations on specific suspension types. It simply an issue of car balance, weight transfer and handling. It’s not a magic bolt on speed secret and there’s ways to build the chassis or add weight to the same regions without large pieces of weight. Simple tricks like custom tungsten hardware, slugs, or thicker wall tubing in custom frames.
In my old racing organization, you could only bolt on additional weight on the frame rail directly under the drivers seat. That solves all these issues.
I agree, a driver's weight should be the only changeable weight in a car. This rule would affect Rico a great deal since he puts the added weight wherever it will be of the greatest advantage.
I don’t even want to think about the lengths that you would have to go to in order to get scale’s numbers, ride height,smash numbers and everything right at the same time with that rule but i can guarantee you it would involve chassis surgery
Balou likes to whine and cry, I remember him having the snot rag out at Lawrenceburg crying that everyone was running illegal bleeders. Accusing dave darland out right on the podium of using them. Result, nothing but a man boy pointing fingers to cover his poor performance. Robert has a history of jaw flapping that has gotten him in trouble.
@@Joseph-i5c9t isn't he called the "madman"? Not sure if that's a long the same lines as "crybaby" or more like "user-xf4ke4jr5b"? Also, was he wrong? About the others being illegal? Obviously it's a real tough answer if you don't think about it.
For example, Zimbabwe's laws have nothing to do with the United States.... your comparison of WoO to USAC is totally ridiculous. Just because some chassie manufactures put a tab on the frame does not mean it's "OK" to bolt weight onto the car... that's what rule books are for.
Again... I used it to explain why a sprint car chassis would have tabs on it to bolt weight on, even though it's illegal with one series. I literally said that on the show. 🤦♂️
Thanks for mentioning Jacksonville. We are tore up here. It is an absolute nightmare scenario. Ralph was a great man by all accounts. Jacksonville and MOWA are off for a few weeks now. Hopefully some time away for everyone here helps the healing process.
Prayers buddy!!!
Putting lead shot inside chassis tubing would be the safest option and unseen during scrutineering.
Prayers to all you guys and the family as well
I support gray area shenanigans, but if the USAC rules say outright that it isn't legal then this isn't a gray area. Doesn't matter what the Outlaws rulebook says when it's a USAC event. Their event, their rulebook, and while taking advantage of what the rules don't say is genius, acting in blatant violation of the rules is, as far as I'm concerned, the sign of a subpar racecar builder who can't win while fighting fairly.
You wanna build an extra setup option into a car that'll get raced at both Outlaws and USAC shows? Cool. But if anyone gets caught at a USAC show doing something that the USAC rulebook plainly says is illegal, then fuck 'em.
That’s what I’m saying, ie: it has to be between the axles and someone bolted lead to the back side of the front axle, that’s a grey area smart ass move, not when it’s completely in front of the axle
Bolt on weight between the axles and between the frame rails has been in the USAC rule book for 40+ years. Another example of usac not enforcing the rules in a timely fashion.
My concern with the weight rule is minimal they either need to enforce it or allow it and make sure people are properly securing them. My main concern is that the heat races meant nothing at the USAC race, all 3 heat race winners started out side of the top 5. I understand that qualifying is very important with usac but you should at least be rewarded for a heat race win.
As a racing photographer I've never been close to being hit by a bolt on weight from a sprint car.... on different occasions a tire, a torsion bar stop and shock have come close....
The aluminum wheel covers, like the one that was picked up by Harrisburg airport's radar as it cleared turn 3 at BAPS, should be of more concern..... how about all the people that strap a camera on a car cause they want to be a RUclips star... if they have to use steering rod tethers, then there should be a tether for those things as well
I was at the macon racing on thurs and friday. I've never seen J. Feger run as well as he did on thurs! Friday stuf was going late after most cars had left and usac was still looking it over. I was in Robert's pit getting something signed. They were wondering why the officals were still checking the cars.
I remember back in the 80s before aluminum blocks were the norm the bolted big round weights on the frame beside the engine. That was if you were running an aluminum block. Can't remember the weight but there was good size one on each side.
I believe the compensation was 60 pounds if you ran an aluminum block.
How is it not open and shut? You can use a chassis with wing tabs in usac does that mean you can bolt a top wing on?
Enforce the Rules as written in the rule book. Might be legal in some organizations. Enforce the usac rules it was a usac sanctioned event.
It was a interesting drivers meeting last night at Macon to say the least lol
The 11am Cedar Lake Fri rainout was 1000% a botched call. Not a drop after 8am & it was a damn nice day.
What area is gray?
No shit. Anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension ability can see that it's pretty cut and dried. Within the confines of the chassis not forward of the front axle nor aft of the rear axle sounds undoubtedly black and white to me.
Why Not install a Solid rather then hollow torsion bar for weight!?
A solid bar wouldn’t have the same spring rate which is the entire purpose of the torsion bar
@@54racemanback in the day when solid bars were run they came in a variety of spring rates as well.
so cool to see Schuchart win again. i think any weight that is bolted on should be ok,i used to have different weight floors.
If USAC does not DQ those cars then they just as well throw their hole rule book out there is no gray area in it at all their rules say not in front of the axle and between the frame rails all they had to do was read the rules and they would have known that they were illegal and my word to USAC it has enforce the rules are you going to be in deep trouble a series is only as good as their tech people following the rule book
USAC knew about the weight in the front before the heat races and didn’t tell teams that they were illegal so they didn’t even know until after the feature
@@tydaboss3097 The teams should read the rules.
Tell a cop you didn’t know the speed limit when you get pulled over, tell me how that goes.
@glenmurra3856 I'm impressed with the run on sentences!
@@tomstrawmyer4980 Well I guess it's lucky for him Dirtrackr enforces grammer rules like USAC enforces the weight rules
Not at all
Get a life
Bolt on weight has always been a part a racecar set up. You should be able to put it wherever you need it.
If USAC actually enforced half their rule book then every car would get disqualified. Been that even before I started racing in it. So don't expect anything to change ever.
Prayers for all
Was glad logan finally got his first win for the year. He has had bad luck on a few occasions when he was doing well.
Hats off to Lucas Oil Speedway for an absolutely perfect racing surface at Friday night's High Limit show. For the boys out in Ohio who seem to fashion themselves as track prep experts having been sold the dry slick is best myth, shock of all shocks, a great race didn't require a dry slick dust bowl. I'll take what we saw Friday night, a track with moisture racing 4 wide into 1 and 3 and passes coming from the top middle and bottom. Best of all, every fan in the joint saw every second of the action from hot laps to the Main's checker. Prolly not a good idea to lecture dirt fans that know better boys.
Ohio just has bad dirt. No track prep guy can do much with bad dirt.
Yea as a local to Lucas, Humboldt, Lakeside, I-35, Central Mo I now realize how spoiled we are. I see track prep other places on Flo and always go WTF….
Also LM shows at Lucas are usually a snooze fest so maybe it will turnout to be a great Sprint car track.
@@Brian-vd4mg Let's not forget the drivers and teams have led the charge to run on dryer tracks. We've all heard the same reasons over and over, wider track equals better racing. To some extent, that is true. What gets lost in the BS is, a track with clay can in it can be prepped to widen out and we saw prove of that at Lucas. It's gotten to where the tracks say, OK the drivers like a dry slick track and dryer is cheaper so let the fans eat dust . From what I've seen LMs run pretty much run center to the bottom at Lucas. With as much a bank the track has watching LMs run around the bottom in the slick and rubber would be a snooze fest. You'd have to go along way to see a better show anywhere as what we saw at Lucas last Friday night with the High Limit show. Come on track operators, at least pretend you listen to your fans. First thing you learn about dirt track prep is, you have to put water in the track not on it. 2nd, you don't start track prep the morning of the show - you should be about done the morning of the show. Depending on your clay, maybe another couple of laps with the water truck an hour or 2 before packing.
@@cdmit27 If you have no clay, you're right, regular top soil isn't gonna do anything. There's no clay anywhere in Ohio or near by.? Old river bottoms old marshes ?
loose lead on the track is extremely dangerous! Bullets are lead for a reason.
Bullets are lead because lead is cheap,easy to form/mold,has decent weight for momentum,soft enough to grab the rifling(just so happened that that they were already lead before rifling was a thing but still a reason )
The rules should be the same for everyone, and enforced consistently. Great show!
The average non participating Fans / viewers as well as hobbyist and extremely green teams/ drivers don’t grasp the difference between “Cheating, innovation or working between the lines in the grey. Adding weight doesn’t necessarily mean advantage unless it’s in certain unsprung locations on specific suspension types. It simply an issue of car balance, weight transfer and handling. It’s not a magic bolt on speed secret and there’s ways to build the chassis or add weight to the same regions without large pieces of weight. Simple tricks like custom tungsten hardware, slugs, or thicker wall tubing in custom frames.
Remember the good ole days when we BUNGEED Plastic weight lifting weights in our cars and After the race you didnt have them!!!!
Yep and every weight on the car had someone else’s number on it instead of yours incase they found it on the track(that part never went away lol)
a buddy of mine works for a usac team. if spriggs isnt fired and a dq issued. balou is threatening a lawsuit
Go Shark racing ! ! Nice job.
Whether it’s in the rule book or not, it’s probably not a good idea to have chunks of lead bolted to these cars because of how they cartwheel and flip
I love racing and I only drive RC cars
Not gonna lie I know people who spend less racing big cars than we spend rc racing lol
I'm sure that's a big deal when you don't have a front wing.
No grey area. That was illegal.
Why don't they just run solid torsion bars in the front 🤔
Hard to get them that have the same spring rate
In my old racing organization, you could only bolt on additional weight on the frame rail directly under the drivers seat. That solves all these issues.
I agree, a driver's weight should be the only changeable weight in a car. This rule would affect Rico a great deal since he puts the added weight wherever it will be of the greatest advantage.
I don’t even want to think about the lengths that you would have to go to in order to get scale’s numbers,
ride height,smash numbers and everything right at the same time with that rule but i can guarantee you it would involve chassis surgery
Balou likes to whine and cry, I remember him having the snot rag out at Lawrenceburg crying that everyone was running illegal bleeders. Accusing dave darland out right on the podium of using them. Result, nothing but a man boy pointing fingers to cover his poor performance. Robert has a history of jaw flapping that has gotten him in trouble.
@@Joseph-i5c9t isn't he called the "madman"? Not sure if that's a long the same lines as "crybaby" or more like "user-xf4ke4jr5b"? Also, was he wrong? About the others being illegal? Obviously it's a real tough answer if you don't think about it.
For example, Zimbabwe's laws have nothing to do with the United States.... your comparison of WoO to USAC is totally ridiculous. Just because some chassie manufactures put a tab on the frame does not mean it's "OK" to bolt weight onto the car... that's what rule books are for.
Again... I used it to explain why a sprint car chassis would have tabs on it to bolt weight on, even though it's illegal with one series. I literally said that on the show. 🤦♂️
Just ask Silva how to cheat lol
Silly