To all you western guys working with gas as a profession, your expertise is correct and duly noted. Now it`s time to take a deep breath and a couple steps back. Andrew[bad welds and all] is showing you how 70% of the planet cooks food commercially without blowing themselves into the afterlife. Go to any night market in SE Asia and watch the fire show fueled by HP propane and $16 dollar burners made in India. I have been in those markets weekly for 10 years now and never seen or heard of anything cataclysmic happening. It's like riding a motorcycle in Jakarta. Chaotic to experience but shockingly few accidents. A near miss is still a miss. Happened to be looking for a manufactured burner to retrofit a wood pizza oven over to gas....one being offered for $4,000 US is a work of art but has the same output as Sir Andrew`s $40 beast. Andrew is not showing what to do. He is simply showing you what is possible. Like that Russin guy in the comments said...." don`t be a pussie."
I know people bashed due to galv. pipe,and you mentioned it SHOULD be black pipe.I know in your other burner you removed the zinc with vinegar,so jsut do that and they can piss off.I LIKE the burner design,my only advice would be to drill n tap the orifice holes to accept MIG tips.You could have easy adjustment for flame size,and if your holes are a little off,the copper tips can be "tweaked" to point to center.Also,before you weld all the 1/2" together,if you had say,3/4" pipe pieces slipped over the 1/2" that had a setscrew holes tapped in them,when you weld the 3" pipe to them,you could also tilt those inward and then lock them down,to make them all meet for a "sweet spot" for the wok!
Bowtie41 it's not JUST the issue of zinc fumes. When you weld galv. to black iron it WILL crack. Can't get around it. This is just a very dangerous set up from the start that is destined to fail and quite catastrophically. I don't care how good the design is (which this one is really not) you can't cheat physics. It has nothing to do with bashing the dude. It's about saving someone's life who doesn't know any better and comes here thinking they are getting legitimate instruction on how to build a burner. What part about that don't you people get?
Nice project. I would use a pipe with no threads, this way you get a solid weld. Also make sure those quick connects your using are rated for this, here is why those quick connects have an o ring (female side) eventually sooner than later that o-ring will go bad, that could be very dangerous.
Very nice. I bought similar burner from Iraq just the gas supply was directly to the upside-down conical cast iron cup and small holes in the side and i got similar result.
Each one of those looks like the same output as my hand torch for roofing and tar work. It puts out 500,000 btu. So my best guess would be that this rig is putting out 2 mil btu.
Ok, so why not build your base out of your pipe, weld it, leak test it and then drill your holes? seems easier then having to make sure your holes dont turn on you.
I think the only flaw to this design is not being able to keep a blue flame once you turn it down. It's an all in or nothing design. Still, it does burn great.
hi , wil this jet burner work for my Pizza brick oven if i insert it in my floor hole ? , can gas run out on the side ? or wil the gas allways run up ? i hope you wil answer me , regard Giovanni italian from Manila Philippines
NEVER use galvanized pipe with propane or natural gas. ESPECIALLY after you've welded on it. You also welded malleable iron to steel ... ruclips.net/video/uHkvD7-u7y8/видео.html ...like you said, you're not a pipe welder. 7018 is a carbon steel rod, not a rod for malleable iron. When welding to iron, the metal has to be heated first, or the sudden application of an electric arc will shock the metal. (a physical shock, not just electrical) That shock leads to cracks. You're dealing with gas that can explode. You better be darn sure what you are doing. You said you are running this at 5psi. Normal house pressure of propane is 6.3 OUNCES per square inch. 5 psi is 80 oz per square in. Your pumping 13 times the pressure through your system. The pressure on the pipe isn't the issue. Galvanized to malleable fittings welded with 7018 WILL EVENTUALLY crack. When that does, gas at 5 psi does some pretty awesome stuff. Forget what Fred down at Lowes tells you. I've been a pipefitter for 29 years. Welding pipe for gas lines is what I do for a living. ... Your best bet...throw out what you built and remove this from RUclips, so nobody else who doesn't absolutely know what they are doing, tries to do the same thing.
mountnman3609 is spot on. also, when galvanized pipe is heated with a torch, extremely dangerous and poisonous fumes of zinc oxide are emitted. this is also know as Metal Fume Fever....very, very dangerous to inhale do the youtube community a favor and take this video down, please
With your burner building can you just use one piece 56” long and place your burners evenly across the pipe. I’m trying to build burners for a curing oven for powder coating!!
excellent, is there any possible way to make one with only one pipe and give off that amount of heat ??? Im trying to build one for my pizza oven and insert it from the bottom into the dome. would really appreciate any advice you could give me , thank you
Kyle That burner should work with natural gas. I converted a pizza oven to propane for use at a fair. You have to have a larger orifice because gas pressure is less than one pound. There is a chart for standard orifice size on line. The oven was obsolete so I bored the ovens fitting to take a screw in orifice fitting and bored one to the natural gas size and the other to propane size.
@@kylem2131 I see but what does that regulator do. It is probably doing the same job as the regulator on the propane bottle. His regulator is set to 5lb. You can look up what is the setting for your house regulator. I am sure there is a standard as appliances have standard natural or standard propane orifices. It has been about ten years since I went through all that so I do not remember off hand..
If you are going to weld the joints why are you playing with threads? If you know you’re welding the piece just use flares, and flanges. Threads are a waste of resource.
The "Venturi effect". The tiny sized hole with the proper pressure behind it causes high velocity. This allows ambient air to be "sucked" in through the bottom of the pipe. The pipe length is also important to optimize this.
+GM Gonzalez yes I have tried one burner, I still run it at a higher psi. Psi is independent for each burner. But even at 2 psi it will run fine as an FYI.
Well, let's do the easy calculation. He said he had 10 psi (277 inches water column) pressure, with four 1.3 mm (0.0512 inches) orifices (0.002059 cubic inches). Specific gravity of propane is 1.52. Assuming an orifice efficiency of 80%. We put these numbers into the orifice flow formula for gas: 1658.5 (relative constant) x K (orifice efficiency) x A (Area of orifice) x (Square root of) P (pressure in inches wc)/sg (specific gravity of gas) = Q (Cubic feet) 1658.5 x K x A x ^P/sg = Q 1658.5 x 0.8 x 0.002059 x ^277/1.52 = 36.879 36.879 x 4 burners = 147.516 147.516 x 2,500 (calorific value of propane per cubic foot) = 368,791 Btu/h So you're right, he is nowhere near 200,000 Btu/h, he has closer to 370,000 Btu/h Even with an orifice efficiency of 50%, that gives approximately 230,500 Btu/h
That burner would not be good for a wok it puts the heat in the center of the wok, you want the heat all around the wok, take a look at burners made for wok
Natural gas does not have a higher heating value than natural gas. Per volume, propane has 2.5 times MORE heating value than natural gas. The calorific value of natural gas is approximately 1,000 Btu/foot cubed, where propane has a calorific value of approximately 2,500 Btu/foot cubed. I'm not sure where you got your information from. hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/JanyTran.shtml - natural gas has an average 38 MJ/meter cubed hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/EricLeung.shtml - propane gas has an average 93 MJ/meter cubed Or you can just use a conversion calculator: www.translatorscafe.com/unit-converter/en/fuel-efficiency-volume/3-9/megajoule%2Fmeter%C2%B3-Btu%20(IT)%2Ffoot%C2%B3/
Gammareign Nonsense. Propane as a gas burns higher and hotter than natural gas. However, when a barbecue is manufactured for use with natural gas, specific valves are used. These valves allow more natural gas to enter the barbecue's burner systems. There are also two main differences in the way that LPG (Propane) and natural gas (Methane) are burnt. The first difference is in the energy content. LPG has a higher energy content than natural gas, with 93.2MJ/m3 vs 38.7MJ/m3. With this higher calorific value, less LPG is required to produce the same amount of heat The second difference is that LPG requires more oxygen. A higher oxygen to gas ratio is required for proper combustion. LPG requires an oxygen to gas ratio of approximately 25 to 1. Natural gas requires a ratio of around 10 to 1. To achieve this difference, LPG is typically provided in a smaller quantity but at a higher pressure, drawing more oxygen with it into the combustion process. LPG is more dense (has a higher specific gravity) than natural gas. Natural gas (methane) is less dense than air, at a relative density of 0.5537 to 1. LPG (propane) is more dense than air, at a relative density of 1.5219 to 1. So, LPG settles whilst natural gas rises. GB
Gerry Bradfield I don’t like to contradict people but what honestly, every technical publication confirms that propane has a higher value than natural gas.
To all you western guys working with gas as a profession, your expertise is correct and duly noted. Now it`s time to take a deep breath and a couple steps back. Andrew[bad welds and all] is showing you how 70% of the planet cooks food commercially without blowing themselves into the afterlife. Go to any night market in SE Asia and watch the fire show fueled by HP propane and $16 dollar burners made in India. I have been in those markets weekly for 10 years now and never seen or heard of anything cataclysmic happening. It's like riding a motorcycle in Jakarta. Chaotic to experience but shockingly few accidents. A near miss is still a miss. Happened to be looking for a manufactured burner to retrofit a wood pizza oven over to gas....one being offered for $4,000 US is a work of art but has the same output as Sir Andrew`s $40 beast. Andrew is not showing what to do. He is simply showing you what is possible. Like that Russin guy in the comments said...." don`t be a pussie."
So what burner do you recommend to retrofit a wood pizza oven over to gas?
I read "don't be a pussie" in russian accent! Hahahaha
I made one for my pizza oven thanks
3 burners in a line
I know people bashed due to galv. pipe,and you mentioned it SHOULD be black pipe.I know in your other burner you removed the zinc with vinegar,so jsut do that and they can piss off.I LIKE the burner design,my only advice would be to drill n tap the orifice holes to accept MIG tips.You could have easy adjustment for flame size,and if your holes are a little off,the copper tips can be "tweaked" to point to center.Also,before you weld all the 1/2" together,if you had say,3/4" pipe pieces slipped over the 1/2" that had a setscrew holes tapped in them,when you weld the 3" pipe to them,you could also tilt those inward and then lock them down,to make them all meet for a "sweet spot" for the wok!
Bowtie41 it's not JUST the issue of zinc fumes. When you weld galv. to black iron it WILL crack. Can't get around it. This is just a very dangerous set up from the start that is destined to fail and quite catastrophically. I don't care how good the design is (which this one is really not) you can't cheat physics. It has nothing to do with bashing the dude. It's about saving someone's life who doesn't know any better and comes here thinking they are getting legitimate instruction on how to build a burner. What part about that don't you people get?
That's bad ass imagine what the other campers would think
wok stations are awesome, i will build mine as soon as possible
Nice project. I would use a pipe with no threads, this way you get a solid weld. Also make sure those quick connects your using are rated for this, here is why those quick connects have an o ring (female side) eventually sooner than later that o-ring will go bad, that could be very dangerous.
Very nice. I bought similar burner from Iraq just the gas supply was directly to the upside-down conical cast iron cup and small holes in the side and i got similar result.
Puts 12inch cast iron pan on top.
Turns around to grab bacon and eggs.
Pan floats 50cm above the flames.
Holy crap. That is awesome
Each one of those looks like the same output as my hand torch for roofing and tar work. It puts out 500,000 btu. So my best guess would be that this rig is putting out 2 mil btu.
Ok, so why not build your base out of your pipe, weld it, leak test it and then drill your holes? seems easier then having to make sure your holes dont turn on you.
Dale Leppert that's what I was thinking.
Exactly. Other than that the pipes will not be too tight to ensure the holes point up. Guess he is banking on the welding.
@@manickn6819 regardless of drilling before or after, it would have to be welded unless he used pipe unions.
How much propane do you go through? I am looking at building a propane evaporator for maple syrup.
Good luck Andrew 🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀
I think the only flaw to this design is not being able to keep a blue flame once you turn it down. It's an all in or nothing design. Still, it does burn great.
hi , wil this jet burner work for my Pizza brick oven if i insert it in my floor hole ? , can gas run out on the side ? or wil the gas allways run up ? i hope you wil answer me , regard Giovanni italian from Manila Philippines
Just curious, can't to tightness the square and drill the holes last?
seems like a pretty liblous build for both personal and property.
NEVER use galvanized pipe with propane or natural gas. ESPECIALLY after you've welded on it. You also welded malleable iron to steel ... ruclips.net/video/uHkvD7-u7y8/видео.html ...like you said, you're not a pipe welder. 7018 is a carbon steel rod, not a rod for malleable iron. When welding to iron, the metal has to be heated first, or the sudden application of an electric arc will shock the metal. (a physical shock, not just electrical) That shock leads to cracks. You're dealing with gas that can explode. You better be darn sure what you are doing. You said you are running this at 5psi. Normal house pressure of propane is 6.3 OUNCES per square inch. 5 psi is 80 oz per square in. Your pumping 13 times the pressure through your system. The pressure on the pipe isn't the issue. Galvanized to malleable fittings welded with 7018 WILL EVENTUALLY crack. When that does, gas at 5 psi does some pretty awesome stuff. Forget what Fred down at Lowes tells you. I've been a pipefitter for 29 years. Welding pipe for gas lines is what I do for a living. ... Your best bet...throw out what you built and remove this from RUclips, so nobody else who doesn't absolutely know what they are doing, tries to do the same thing.
not to mention water testing for leaks instead of putting it under pressure.. SMH!
mountnman3609 ... just because you can , doesn't mean you have triple checked if you SHOULD. Lolz
Awesome ticking time bomb dude
mountnman3609 is spot on.
also, when galvanized pipe is heated with a torch, extremely dangerous and poisonous fumes of zinc oxide are emitted.
this is also know as Metal Fume Fever....very, very dangerous to inhale
do the youtube community a favor and take this video down, please
mountnman3609 comohacerquemadorcasero
You guys are just pussies. I am from Russia and we often play with stuff like this or electricity and nobody gives a fuck.
How does this kind of pipe hold up with constant heating and cooling over time?
Could have drilled your holes after you screwed it all together into a square and skipped the welding
Just checking to see if the creator is still alive ....
Hola esto serviria para una freidora de papas fritas
Thank you for the video. I used this to make my own burner for crawfish. :-)
I'm trying to make a similar set up for boiled peanuts and fish boils.
@@babtey Only thing I had to adjust was the air. I had to put a lot of tape on the bottom to get the blue flame.
@@babtey Only thing I had to adjust was the air. I had to put a lot of tape on the bottom to get the blue flame.
Hello Adrew, is it possible to make a Wok jet burner with Butane gas ?
Wok burners are easy to get and probably cost less than the DIY.
Definitely.
should have used only black cast iron for all the components due to zinc / aluminum oxide fumes.
Great video, Andrew. Can this only be done with propane gas or can it also use LP or natural gas?
I cant imagine keeping good even heat with 4 hotspots of the wok. it looks cool though
Use a sockt weld, is more simple!
very useful, really good, thank you
Holy shit!! You can fly Atlantis with that
With your burner building can you just use one piece 56” long and place your burners evenly across the pipe. I’m trying to build burners for a curing oven for powder coating!!
Would this boil 300 gallons of water?
How hard would it be to do a natural gas one?
Woouu! Very good!
Wats recomens for to tacos al pastor for burner
almost seems u have remade the tiger torch. but cheaper. I have an old tiger torch would it not work as a single burner
excellent, is there any possible way to make one with only one pipe and give off that amount of heat ??? Im trying to build one for my pizza oven and insert it from the bottom into the dome. would really appreciate any advice you could give me , thank you
+Vor Tex yes check out my wok station build video where I go over how I just built a single burner. This one was way over powered with 4 😅
How many times have you used it.? have you had an issues since then.?
how do you work out how long the big pipe has to be?
how long does a tank of propane last on full blast?
4 min
Haa, i would have busted my knuckles tryin to peice those 4 together. Good job you.😎😎
Looks like a rocket engine :D
Can this work with natural gas.
I think it's called "turbulent jet flame"
Hi , are the dimensions of burn tube specific ?
I'm curious if you'd get such a good jet with household low pressure
You just need a high pressure regulator.
Kyle That burner should work with natural gas. I converted a pizza oven to propane for use at a fair. You have to have a larger orifice because gas pressure is less than one pound. There is a chart for standard orifice size on line. The oven was obsolete so I bored the ovens fitting to take a screw in orifice fitting and bored one to the natural gas size and the other to propane size.
@@jayreiter268 my house gas is propane, but there's a reg off the tank for the household appliances
@@kylem2131 I see but what does that regulator do. It is probably doing the same job as the regulator on the propane bottle. His regulator is set to 5lb. You can look up what is the setting for your house regulator. I am sure there is a standard as appliances have standard natural or standard propane orifices. It has been about ten years since I went through all that so I do not remember off hand..
@@jayreiter268 10-11" water column is standard household propane. That's supposedly .36-.40 psi.
If you are going to weld the joints why are you playing with threads?
If you know you’re welding the piece just use flares, and flanges. Threads are a waste of resource.
Do u got a back burn arrestor on the line?
I was curious about that. What keeps the fire from feeding back through the system and BOOM!!!
the biggest problem is the sound of flame which is not good for greenhouses.
why not use a 45 instead of a 90 for your final piece?
Dude, you just need one of those for woking.
kaç dereceye kadar ısı veriyor yanıt verirsen sevinirim
Look like an up side down Russian rocket and I think you are rocket scientist?????
I like the fart at 6:31
Are they actually that loud in real life, or does it just sound louder here?
Yes it IS that loud. I have one similar.
What's the background music you've used in this and the wok station video? Great builds by way. Very nicely done!
Thank you brother..
I don't see how burners are getting oxygen to mix
The "Venturi effect". The tiny sized hole with the proper pressure behind it causes high velocity. This allows ambient air to be "sucked" in through the bottom of the pipe. The pipe length is also important to optimize this.
@@Mastertech360 so in this setup is a propane air mixer / venturi valve not needed?
"It's like a DRAGON!!" HAHA
seems to me it would be a lot more easy to just buy some unions
عمل جميل ورائع good
Somebody needs to call NASA and ask them if they are missing one of their rocket engines.
wow 😮 that is awesome! 👶
Use a union next time. .... much easier.
yeah. would have made life alot easier.
looks like galvanized pipe!
Goddamn dude how big is the wok that's going on it!!!!
what size drill bit
Jayson Dixon #56 drill is 1.2mm
If you put a wok on that you surely will be burnt before you get the snow peas in. LOL!
Haa, now we need a big balloon and a lawn chair an bungie chords😁😁😎😎🏁🏁🏁 up up and away
great video and demo. have u tried just one burner? would i run just 2 psi?
+GM Gonzalez yes I have tried one burner, I still run it at a higher psi. Psi is independent for each burner. But even at 2 psi it will run fine as an FYI.
Do u have a regulator on your hose
That's nowhere near 200K BUT/hr. Its 50K at best. Easily calculated if you know the gas flow rate.
Well, let's do the easy calculation. He said he had 10 psi (277 inches water column) pressure, with four 1.3 mm (0.0512 inches) orifices (0.002059 cubic inches). Specific gravity of propane is 1.52. Assuming an orifice efficiency of 80%.
We put these numbers into the orifice flow formula for gas:
1658.5 (relative constant) x K (orifice efficiency) x A (Area of orifice) x (Square root of) P (pressure in inches wc)/sg (specific gravity of gas) = Q (Cubic feet)
1658.5 x K x A x ^P/sg = Q
1658.5 x 0.8 x 0.002059 x ^277/1.52 = 36.879
36.879 x 4 burners = 147.516
147.516 x 2,500 (calorific value of propane per cubic foot) = 368,791 Btu/h
So you're right, he is nowhere near 200,000 Btu/h, he has closer to 370,000 Btu/h
Even with an orifice efficiency of 50%, that gives approximately 230,500 Btu/h
Shit what the hell are you going on youtube should be at n.a.s.a fuck lol
excelente explicação gostei, show.
That burner would not be good for a wok it puts the heat in the center of the wok, you want the heat all around the wok, take a look at burners made for wok
Take 3 seconds to boil water
Io l'ultimo lo avevi tagliato in due parti e avvitato e saldato
Natural gas has a higher heating value than propane. Propane=50.35 megajoules per kilogram. Methane=55.5 megajoules per kilogram.
Natural gas does not have a higher heating value than natural gas. Per volume, propane has 2.5 times MORE heating value than natural gas. The calorific value of natural gas is approximately 1,000 Btu/foot cubed, where propane has a calorific value of approximately 2,500 Btu/foot cubed. I'm not sure where you got your information from.
hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/JanyTran.shtml - natural gas has an average 38 MJ/meter cubed
hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/EricLeung.shtml - propane gas has an average 93 MJ/meter cubed
Or you can just use a conversion calculator:
www.translatorscafe.com/unit-converter/en/fuel-efficiency-volume/3-9/megajoule%2Fmeter%C2%B3-Btu%20(IT)%2Ffoot%C2%B3/
Gammareign
Nonsense. Propane as a gas burns higher and hotter than natural gas. However, when a barbecue is manufactured for use with natural gas, specific valves are used. These valves allow more natural gas to enter the barbecue's burner systems.
There are also two main differences in the way that LPG (Propane) and natural gas (Methane) are burnt.
The first difference is in the energy content. LPG has a higher energy content than natural gas, with 93.2MJ/m3 vs 38.7MJ/m3. With this higher calorific value, less LPG is required to produce the same amount of heat
The second difference is that LPG requires more oxygen. A higher oxygen to gas ratio is required for proper combustion. LPG requires an oxygen to gas ratio of approximately 25 to 1. Natural gas requires a ratio of around 10 to 1. To achieve this difference, LPG is typically provided in a smaller quantity but at a higher pressure, drawing more oxygen with it into the combustion process.
LPG is more dense (has a higher specific gravity) than natural gas. Natural gas (methane) is less dense than air, at a relative density of 0.5537 to 1.
LPG (propane) is more dense than air, at a relative density of 1.5219 to 1. So, LPG settles whilst natural gas rises.
GB
Gerry Bradfield I don’t like to contradict people but what honestly, every technical publication confirms that propane has a higher value than natural gas.
Put a wok on it and cook something. That's he best test.
What tha fu...😮👍👌🏻
haha that's awesomely ridiculous