Ford GT v Porsche 911 GT2 RS v Mercedes-AMG GT R v Lotus Exige Cup | evo LEADERBOARD
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2018
- Road Racers. Ford GT, Porsche 911 GT2 RS, AMG GT R and Lotus Exige Cup 430 - four motorsport inspired road cars on the same track, with the same Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres on the same day. But which is quickest around the Anglesey Coastal Circuit?
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Same tire compound for all cars makes this review the best so far.
Personally I think stock rubber makes for a better comparison, because that is what most people drive on and what the car was designed around.
Agreed!
Some like McLaren put P-Zero tires for racing and last nothing where Porsche would put more all season tires.
Buyers at this level can always afford new tires so they should race on same compound. I find your argument valid for cheaper cars.
@@Dolby109 wrong cause then kids will cry AF
Steve Hash - well you can never satisfy everyone, but right now they are modifying the cars to prop up the ones with inferior rubber (which among this crowd I can't imagine are any of them).
Jeremy Lopes - I don't think Porsche puts all seasons on any of their performance cars. Even a Fiesta ST comes with summer rubber. And the Cup-2's that they used are just as soft as a Trofeo R.
That Lotus smokes tires waaaaaay gnarlier than I expected it to. Unreal!
A suggestion : When going around the lap have a speedometer on the screen so we can see how fast the car is accelerating and decelerating.
agreed
Well, watch best motoring
mohsan456 YESSSSSSSSSS!
Yeah it is strange not seeing a speedometer
Viewingu@@adg1017
Absolutely love the paint on the Ford GT. Gorgeous car.
what? Evo uploaded a 20min track video at Anglessey? Steve Sutcliffe at the wheel?? *grabs popcorn*
Lol, I swear, this is no lie. I literally grab a brand new bag and opened of Smartfood White Cheddar Popcorn. Unbelievable!
Andres Luzunaris same for me. Was preparing a good healthy lunch, saw the video, grabbed a bag of chips and a beer and watched it 😂 RIP my healthy meal
Popcorn, good idea.
Agreed. Steve’s handy behind the wheel!
Damn, yes, Steve's I guess the best driver/presenter of them all, such a skilled guy.
The return of EVO with Mr Sutcliffe 🙌🏽. That GT2RS is ludicrously quick around Anglesey 😱. Great video, great bunch of Cars.
Where was he before?
The most impressive car here is the Merc; It's the only one of these u can daily and it has 120hp less and 300kg more weight than the gt2 rs and only 1.4 secs behind is quite impressive to me; If it had the same power/weight as the Porsche I bet it'd beat it.
Nar that lotus still speaks to me., proper manual and years of inspiring history of aerial dynamics
I was only waiting for the GT2 RS!!
didnt have to wait. already knew the answer.
That’s why they drove it last.
The lotus with the manual gearbox is the most fun to drive among all the other cars,pure connectivity with the road/track and car...
Dude the fact that a manual is within 2 seconds of a dual clutch car is amazing
@@JeanClaudeJrLefebvreXL that's your choice which i respect but me personally love analog driving i love the Ariel atom for that especially where you'll have to really prove how good of a driver you are
But porsche is just better
@@guycha0s380 Define better. 911 are overrated as hell, not even midengine 😂
It depends on what you mean by "fun", however the lotus is the quirky bait of the bunch so ill give you that
What an amazing video. Beautifully shot and edited.
Agreed!
Agree. Only wish they had car technical info displayed during the laps
No one makes videos like these anymore...thank you EVO! Now that Chris Harris is no longer on RUclips and a few other factors, the high level comparison videos have gone away.
Yup. Even motortrend is out of RUclips now
Carfection is quite brilliant !
It costs money to spend hours shooting multiple cars around a track. Sadly, RUclips does not pay for quality, but for length/minutes watched so it's forcing anything that's not super low budget to find income elsewhere.
Motor trend did...but they got greedy and don't post the videos on youtube anymore...know you have to subscribe to their channel;-(
JerseyMikeP Greedy? no...see the comment right above yours for the more nuanced/mature explanation. Short version, YT prioritizes monetization for Vlogs shot with a cellphone camera these days. Renting a track, paying for film equipment/crew, safety personnel, and post production is quite expensive and not a good model for YT anymore.
YOU MATCHED THE TYRES THIS IS AMAZING!!!! Great work guys.
The thing is: When I saw the thumbnail, I knew: Porsche will win.
KnowNoName if he knew what he was doing the Ford would’ve won hands down. It’s an actual race car modified for the road and has significantly more horsepower than the LeMans GT.
@@Tommy2shoe811 so you wanna tell that the GT2 RS isn't a racecar for the road either?
Tommy2shoe811 the gt2 rs is also just a street legal race car though
@@Tommy2shoe811 Just check fastestlaps website, theres not a single track where the GT is faster than the GT2RS, 2.5 seconds slower around Willow Spring, a seconds slower around VIR etc.
@@heamees4822 The Porsche GT2RS is not in the same class as the Ford GT.. The GT3RS is. The Ford GT is a whole 9.5 seconds faster around Willow Spring, and completely blows the Porsche GT3RS away in every other lap time as well. And let's not forget which car won Le Mans, and wins every time they compete. Racing isn't even Ford's primary focus like it is for Porsche and all the other supercar companies lol.. And yet they completely demolished Porsche, taking 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th. Porsche and their GT3s were all the way back at 8th and 10th. Take your loss with some class.
I never hear much about lotus but they make some of the best driving cars out there. They're light weight, just the right amount of power, and the come with 3 pedals and a stick. Sounds great to me
Angelo Basso because they are junk under powered over priced for what crap it is!!!!
@@rogerrolex6981 Basically the same as Ford GT yet people still buying it.
Roger Rolex 69 I own a lotus Elise 2007, got it for 40 grand with 7000 miles on it and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned.
These 4 cars, Anglesey and Steve Sutcliffe? YES YES YES
Marcus Hogan Steve’s the man.
Steve is terrible. Miles off the mark of the likes of Chris Harris and Jethro Bovingdon. Even guys like Henry Catchpole, or even Matt Watson from CarWow are better than him. There are a few presenters on RUclips who as soon as I see they're doing the review, I switch off...Steve is one of them.
Nathan Middleton Bye then 👋
Carwow one of the worst channels around, jeesh, what a putz
Came out of 15 years of Porsche ownership, including a 991 GT3. Drove a Lotus Elise and sold the Porsche the next week. Bought an Exige 410 Best driving experience I've ever had. Every single part of the car is giving you feedback. There's also nowhere to hide if you make mistakes. Porsche cars cover up a lot of driver errors. The 410 is a keeper for me! Great review.
Lotus did amazing. C'mon we are comparing them to crazy supercars!
Lotus didn't look like it was on the absolute limit either. there was more time in it
Nah, he wasn’t pushing that Lotus. It had more potential for sure!
Dude was lifting and coasting on his 'hotlap' lol
The Merc is about 40% more money, has WAY more power, and beat the Exige here by a second? Lotus any day for me, tx.
That lotus would have been faster if he hadn't missed a couple shifts.
Yes and if the gear box was better he would not have missed those shifts... he said it in the video, the gear box was the thing that is holding the Lotus back.
+MasterMech77 he meant manual ya goose
@@BobbyDazzler888 a "gearbox" is a term for a transmission. Regardless if it is manual or automatic. I am very aware that the what the Lotus uses for its gearbox... The missed shifts were caused by the crappy gearbox, aka transmission.
+MasterMech77 u misunderstood. these cars get raced. he should of questioned lotus about the shifts. i know what gearbox is.
Greg Mieg ... NO I did not misunderstand your comment... You inferred I was referring to the Lotus as having an automatic transmission... Otherwise you would not have said "he meant manual ya goose" in your last comment... Why would he question Lotus about the transmission? The transmission on the Lotus Exige Cup has known issues with it 3rd gear and some 4th gear failures, when used for track duty. They tend to be fairly fragile, and there are many reports showing multi rebuilds on vehicles used on the track for race series, with very low millage on them. Yes things are going to break when you use a vehicle on the track, the issue with the transmission on the Lotus is out of the "norm", when it comes to failure rate and ease of failure.
That turn-in on that Lotus at 6:03 says it all: if you want fun and a car that you are driving instead of car that is driving you, you should go for the Lotus. Just absolutely amazing! The difference in time the Exige was behind the others is only resulted by the manuel gearbox and the gear shifts.
Yea, because others drive themselves....
he tried to sound like one of those 70 year old enthusiasts for some reason..
The Lotus wasn't done justice in this video. The driver brake too early. Deep late braking is the key to fast lap times for a Lotus. This driver isn't either brave enough to push it or lacked the knowledge on how to properly drive a Lotus. The Lotus is the best bang for the buck.
@@zarbon700 i see you copy and pasting hahahaha
@@zarbon700 - was thinking exactly the same thing - had a proper driver, like the Stig or someone else capable to get the best out of the Lotus, it would have been the fastest I think. Without a shadow of doubt at least second fastest.
You could see and hear that he was not comfortable enough, or good enough for that manual transmission!
Winner is the one with 3 pedals!!! 3. But I take the Gt2-Rs.
A "decent" lap for the Lotus? haha shut up! you could not handle it! You missed changes and stopped early in the corners. Not decent, your handling ...
im not saying hes a terrible driver, but damn he pissed me off by blaming it all on the gearbox... as if a 1.1s split over one lap qualifies as "such a clear margin"
It will still lose. So doesn’t matter how he drives it.
justaman I’m not sure about that! Everyone always thinks because some cars don’t have as much horsepower as others they are slower. That’s not the case. I understand that Lotus has known issues with their gearbox, but he said early in the video that it was amazing, then started making up excuses when he messed up. That Exige would have easily beaten any of those cars, they just needed a professional driver. Nearly all “issues” are cause by human error.
“Simplify, then add lightness.” -Colin Chapman
Nicholas Umsted I don’t think the lotus would be faster than the gt2, I do think it would be faster than the rest of the cars tho
@@victorsanchez7908 round anglesey it would be faster than the gt2 because the track is so small and nimble, the gt2 would demolish the lotus at somewhere like spa of course, but this video is not a fair comparison of those cars they simply need a better driver....
Credit where it’s due...that lotus is seriously fast
But you wouldn't actually buy one....
@@TheHateSpeechChannel Give me the money and I'd go straight to the Lotus Factory to spec an Evora 400
same here.. will take lotus any day..
The Lotus chassis can easily handle more power... The others less so.
I am a massive fan of lightweight cars. But for me I think I'd go for an Alpine A110 which is around the same weight as the Lotus and half the price. But then again, the Alpine is more of a twisty backroad king, not a track weapon like the Lotus...
FINALLY! EVO IS BACK WITH STEVE!!! BEST DAY EVER!!!!
The Lotus could have gone faster than it did, I can't understand why you held the gear between turns 3, 4 &5, you'd have lost so much more "drive" that you could have had from a higher gear. I'll agree it'd never be the fastest, but I think this was enough to make the time it did a bit un-representative.
The exige is an intense handful to drive fast reducing driver confidence.
Because "they" dont want it to be faster then the bigger boys
@@1compaqedr8 So put a cup driver in there or spend more time getting familiar with that car, we want a fair comparison not a production excuse.
Low gear = high RPM... which means faster acceleration and stronger centrifugal force in the corners. You know nothing, if all you think it takes is a high gear to be fast.
@@Nobody-dc8dp I agree for the most part, but he was banging against the limiter for an extended period. I also believe he could have grabbed another gear and gained some time. But the missed shifts are what caused the Lotus to not be in the 1:12s
I can't unsee the rear of the Ford GT resembling an Angry Birds pig.
Lol, me too! First thing I thought when they unveiled it.
Ugh, this overused, lame reference, again.
The back of an i8 looks like it's giving birth to a 911.
Nooooooo
Yes but the front is soo nice!
That Lotus sounds...friggin...AMAZING!!
EVO, uploading? Pigs can fly! Wow!
I'd take the Lotus without a second thought. The fact that it's the lightest and most dynamic car here can't be argued with, and it's a MANUAL.
Alex Habr 👎🏻👎🏻
Well , now that Porsche has announced manual cars , you're maybe thinking different.
Steven Siegert what are they offering?
Same, it’s as light as a Miata but has 4-5 times the horsepower!
id take the 911 and then the ford gt i would put a titanium catback exhaust in the ford gt
At least he was consistent in all the cars, and drove them all like he didn’t know what he was doing.
He was quite rubbish. One of those typical journalists who think they are Adrian newey's long lost cousin. Going on and on about the ford gt's supposed lots of downforce with those puny wings with no endplates and a diffuser with a higher angle than its actual GTE version. For a 1400kg car,unless it can produce 500+kgs of downforce,it does fuckall for grip. Was quite annoying
Yea I can’t figure out how he possibly went slower in the Ford GT than the AMG it’s legitimately hard to do. Makes me think he had the GT set up in daily driver mode or something similar and not in track.
Soham the airflow is what primarily gives it downforce. The GT is a much faster car than what was shown on this video.
Soham sutcliffe is definitely one of the best, thorough, and most enthusiastic of the journalists. you have to keep in mind that this track is extremely technical & difficult, so those times could be completely different if he was given the time to lap each car a lot & truly get a feel for the circuit/car connection
I agree the driving wasn't on point but damn you guys really underestimate that AMG GTR, it is the fastest FR production car on the nurburgring. The drivetrain is amazing, gearbox is good, and yes it may have just 570hp but youre not even thinking about that engines displacement, it definitely has the most torque of the lot.
That was 20 minutes well spent. Awesome review as ever Steve.
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Laptimes:
SPOILER ALERT!!
AMG GTR: 01:13:63
Lotus Cup: 01:14:71
Ford GT: 01:14:23
GT2RS: 01:12:01
What's the point in this stupid post?
Spoiler... Glad i clicked on the video right away without scrolling into the comment section.
Ahmad Almajid sorry i thought the outcome was pretty logic that‘s why i didn‘t write spoiler alert. but glad i didn‘t screw it up for you^^
stubones the point is being attacked by internet rambos like you. i love that(: have a good one my dear
thanks for the lap times. i fast foward till the end to find there are no comparison times. this really sums this video.
I don't remember watching videos this long that felt so good to watch. Amazing work and kudos to the team!
At least I don't have to pay to see which is the best driver's car.
Yes, I'm looking at you Motor Trend
Hahaha
Lotus might take a more brave/suicidal driver to get a realistic lap time vs the others? It seemed a handful.
As mentioned by Steve, the reason it couldn't achieve a better time was due to its gearbox.
The guy knows how to drive. In 2007 he was 0.4 sec off Honda's test driver in their F1 car at Silverstone.
Nah they are super easy to drive - I own a 350 exige and the race traction control makes things relatively simple. If you turn everything off then like any car, you need to be a very good driver! I can match well driven GT3RS' round the likes of Goodwood etc. Mine was £60k theirs was £175k!
Da70Dude which basically implies that under side twist load, shifting was probably difficult. I do agree that a suicidal type entry speed driver could have pushed it more but that is true for all the cars equally. As a former GT3 owner and track person, who has had rides with top pro cup car drivers in order to learn, there is almost alway grip levels and speed way beyond what you think it physically possible - way beyond.
Paul o'neil - Completely agree - I also get training by pro drivers on my track days and when they set their lap benchmark to show you on the VBOX how you compare, they get things out of the car that make the mind boggle!
The front fascia of the Lotus is gorgeous.
love it
here here
It sounds like a demon. Love it.
It's a beautiful car for sure
Looks like a Corvette ZR1.
That Porsche is tastier than a buttery bowl of grits. That thing is what a car should be. 👍🏿
merv wall why change something that is beautiful
@merv wall you didn't see more than 2 different porches hm ?
Excellent vid Steve and all at evo as usual. Thanks for taking the time to give us a decent run down of these fantastic cars over 20 minutes - it's greatly appreciated.
AMG GT R with less than 600KM and RWD,makes Great time laps on any track!Good Job AMG 👍
Love the look of the AMG GT R... and it sounds like a beast... MB/AMG really know how to make an awesome GT car...
best looking car
The lap in the lotus sounded a bit messy.
But then again he did well with some very serious cars, top job steve
Nw.Caffers Think the gearbox was playing funny buggers.
The Lotus wasn't done justice in this video. The driver brake too early. Deep late braking is the key to fast lap times for a Lotus. This driver isn't either brave enough to push it or lacked the knowledge on how to properly drive a Lotus. The Lotus is the best bang for the buck.
zarbon700 You obviously don’t know who Steve is, do you?
@@jryalls that other clearly didn't but I do. Steve was struggling with the car, he seemed very choppy with the controls as a whole and blaming the gearbox doesn't cover all the time that was lost in that hot lap. Granted he is a great pilot but I reckon he needed a few more laps in the lotus.
Seen Through Haggis The lap time section proved he didn't drive the Lotus the way it's meant to be driven. Too much early braking
I'd like to see this race again with a better driver. So many times I had to watch this guy correct his steering due to too much throttle. Every time you have to correct you let go of the throttle. Watch him with the Ford gt. That car would have had a lot faster of a time if he had better throttle control.
Big Injun He’s an ex pro racer (though admittedly not exactly F1 standard) and has been a motoring journalist for years, he’s probably faster than 99% of the people watching this video. Also, pro racers correct slides all the time, it’s just a part of driving fast. I love how all the driving experts come out in the moments sections.
ford gt is no match for the gt2rs or amg gtr anyway
Michael Hodgkinson no you’re wrong! This guy in the comments section, and the very intelligent people who liked his comment, know way more about driving cars than a retired professional...
s7robe haha quite! I sometimes forget how many would-be-Alonsos scour the RUclips videos to correct the driving in these videos.
@@WATup169 The Ford is actually MUCH faster than the Mercedes and is quicker than the Porsche too. Just not at this circuit and with those tires. Take them to Spa and throw on some P-Zeroes and The GT will abandon those other cars.
Thank you so much for this video, the gorgeous images, the insightful commentary, and the fabulous cars from Porsche, Ford, Lotus and Mercedes Benz!
Would be interesting to see the GT3 RS on this track compared to the GT2 RS!
Same deal as Ford GT the GT3 needs more room to maneuver. The GT2 is better suited for this track and also is in the right price point for the comparo
GT2RS is faster at around 95% of tracks
But around twisty a track with so many turns the GT3RS might win but that's not possible
@@Smzxe the gt3rs is longer. GT2RS is a much faster car on this track.
Bringing a Porsche to ANY test that doesn’t involve a UFO or some sort of alien technology is categorically unfair!! PERIOD!!
Gregory Thomas 😂
Gregory Thomas : well, that’s German Engineering. ( It was the German’s, after all, that put us on the moon. Thank God we got Von Braun before the Russians.)
@@erikhertzer8434 Hmm no, it was the 400,000 engineers, scientists, and technicians from more than 20,000 companies and universities, that put us on the moon.
Andrei D : hmm,OK...400,000 engineers and techs led by Von Braun...
And yet the gt still beat it at lemans. With real drivers. Not an anchorwoman driving.
He definitely didn’t go balls of with the GT
give it to the stig
I think Sutcliffe has lost his bottle about the 30 second mark head steady state throttles the Lotus and the Ford but accelerates the Merc and the Porsche
Looked like a wet track for the gt
I’m a huge amg and Porsche fanboy but I really feel like the GT should’ve dominated the rest tbh
@@s7robe297 No way vs. a GT2, sorry dude.
That GT2 RS though 😍😎💪👋🙏
That lotus is absolutely beautiful, I’d chose that over the other cars all day long. I truly think you could’ve got a better time too, I feel like you could’ve accelerated sooner coming out of some corners and also breaking later coming into some corners.
and he also missed shifted a couple of times , all the other cars werent manual either
Womans car
@@TheSoundzUK Saw a woman driving an Evora a few years back. Sadly it was an automatic though. Also seen a matte purple Elise a few times which is supposedly owned by a woman.
Miss-shifted in the lotus 2/3 times and seemed to not push it all out? Believe it could for sure beat the AMG..
Like he said in the video, the gearbox issues were holding the Lotus back.
Lotus have never gotten the trans figured out. That is why many owners put in different shifters. While a manual is traditional, they really need to have a DC option as they are significantly faster. I raced manual in SCCA and on street for years but my current car is a DC....amazingly efficient. Yeah, I get the satisfaction of a heel and toe downshift and all...but the DC does everything so much better.
@@JJ_ExMachina Whilst the gearbox is not brilliant it is not bad to the point of causing those errors. Those are on him and not really acceptable for hotlap comparisons. Needed a better driver (we miss you Chris).
Stick a sequential gb in it
So true
My goodness, what a great video!! Beautifully shot and edited! I would honestly pay to watch this video, unlike other car videos/channels on RUclips...
GT2RS is a completely different level than the GTR. You have to compare the GT3RS with the GTR
@Glenn Videos why not?. theyre probably about the same
@@simmo2745 AMG GTS to 911 turbo. The AMG GTR is ment to be for track use as the Porsche RS cars are.
ActionHeinz yep agreed, was reading wrong post thought it was referring to Nissan GTR
That second difference between the two cars was the most expensive one. 100K+
Indeed, the AMG GT R is a direct rival of the 911 GT3 RS, not the big brother GT2 RS.
Absolutely brilliant video! So pleased to see Mr Sutcliffe back 👌 No surprise the absolute best car won 🤟
Would love to see unedited in-car fastest laps and some split-screen comparisons.
I have a 430cup and i can see he fluffed quite a bit up driving the car. Shame i reckon it had a good second or more in it had it been driven better :-/
@DrPittenstein How do you think the Evora GT430 would have fared around here?
James Dean Definitely left some time out there. Didn't look on the limit at any point during the timed lap. If I worked at Lotus I'd have Gavan Kershaw drive over to Anglesey and post a video of his fastest lap asap. Would be fffast!
Jonathan Wong I think the GT430 would go very well at Anglesey. I hope to find out soon! Hopefully James Dean will bring his 430 Cup along too!
@@DrPittenstein yeh it wasnt convincing
This was amazing, perfect editing, and I really appreciate that there is no music for the track time, it makes it much more visceral to watch. The camera angles were fantastic and really gave a good insight as to how fast these cars were going and how calm or shaky they were while driving, very immersive. I've liked and subscribed, please keep setting such a good example of good shit for the performance car community
This was epic! Thank you Steve and EVO :)
Steve Sutcliffe is an accomplished driver, however I get the feeling that he and many test drivers are getting too used to automatic transmissions these days. He obviously knows how to drive a manual gearbox, however I don't feel he drove that Lotus well. I reckon he may be a little rusty wit the old manual. Also a little cramped in there for him!
I would have loved to see Randy Pobst drive the Lotus as he is a wizard with a manual.
@@JDSFLA he's a far superior driver that doesn't fuck up shifts and blame it on the transmission. Lotus has some of the best manual transmissions out there.
Ok, judging his heel toe downshifts, he didn't make a glaring mistake which would've costed him time. Nearly all exits seem to have been clean as well except for one on the 0:50 mark. So to conclude, his manual skills are very competent to not warrant as a sore point. I think its competitve enough against the other automatic rivals here.
@@JDSFLA agreed! 💯 percentage! Especially the way he handles the big corvettes with the manual!
@@powerfultoa7 He missed a few upshifts and was against the rev limiter a few times. Tough to get a perfect lap out of a car you don't drive regularly though, definitely better than I could do.
Amazed to see a video on youtube, as the article itself was a great read and gave a detailed breakdown of the laps
Loyus exige 410 is my future car.
This was/is such a greatly entertaining video. Thank You very much for making it.
Love the Ford GT. I think AMG has something special though. Looks, sound, speed and a splash of luxury. Seems like the perfect car for the street and track.
i am just here to see how much the Porsche is going to destroy the others
Rodrigo Martins guess again
*Whoops.*
And it did! :-D
nice guess not by much with less 200kg weight and 130 hp more than GTR clearly GT R is the winner
Clearly the winner is the slower car? It's completely objective - the fastest of the 4 cars tested on this track is the Porsche, it's just plain retarded to claim otherwise.
The Exige was nowhere near the limit. At the hands of a better driver, it would have eaten the GT R for breakfast.
I strongly doubt that
i strongly agree on that
He was driving that exige like he was going to the grocery store...
I’d take the lotus everyday - outstanding performance and great fun I imagine
I love my Elise 111R but will be upgrading to an Exige S3 at some point. But will stay with Lotus.
Sounds like you missed a few gears in the lotus though
Well, because the car did not let him to get them straight I am afraid ..
@SG me? No I'm just looking at the lap times. A few of the shifts were sluggish and he missed one. That can add up to a second or at least close to it. There lotus should have placed at least 1 higher.. Maybe
common sense tells you they did many laps and took the best time for comparison, and took the best scenes for the video. also, who cares?
@@MyRealNameI would assume the same but common sense says nothing that's pure speculation. We really don't know
@Biked I have a lotus, and I know why he could not get a perfect lap (mechanically wise) , have a look on the exige 380 lap on the nurb, same occurs ... they don't have so much time to shoot many laps and get a perfect one, I guess they had to pick that one, also to show that problem which truly exist .... Yes the lap could be better, but also yes the car behaves this way ..
Damn this video was good! One of the best comparison videos ever. Loved that thank you evo!
Beautiful video, beautiful presentation, amazing cars. That GT2 RS...
I am legit surprised at the lap times of the Merc and the Ford and how they placed and also how close the Lotus was to both of them. The Porsche is completely brilliant, as expected. Great job EVO, I appreciate your efforts!
Say what you want but the Lotus would be what I would have, people do not think about the consumables and maintenance involved with tracking cars of this caliper, the lotus with its toyota engine, "tiny" brakes, and "tiny" tires would be the most easy on the pockets and im assuming the most rewarding to actually drive fast. I was chatting it up with a gentleman at the ring who actually owns a GT2 RS he said the cost of each lap considering how much fuel, pads, tires and maintenance cost works out to around 600 euros a lap. I didnt check his math but you know it can't be cheap 🤷🏽♂️. Oh yeah and he said the car was just to fast,which if you have been on the ring then you know its about balance
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@Brax_beezy when you have gt2rs money you don’t think about shit like that
I agree, Lotus Cup cars are criminally underrated in the car community.
@Brax_beezy probably per trackday, not per lap. My Evora 400 cost ~€440 per trackday in consumables; predominantly tyres, brake pads and fuel. Engine and transmission oil changes every few trackdays also contributes to that number.
I’d just have a standard GT3.
Great point, when you put it in context of bang for you bucks the Lotus is a comparative bargain.
The GT2RS is just such a great looking car
Thank you so much for not ruining the fast lap footage with incessant chattering or annoying music.
And this is exactly why the 911's basic shape hasn't changed for decades...it's bubbly shape and short wheelbase coupled with a synergenic engine/tranny combo and brakes that feel like you just threw a yacht anchor out the window will always be something you never have to change. It's perfection on wheels.
Great video! Honestly? The Lotus impressed me the most, given it's deficit on power and it's manual gearbox. All are great cars, but if I had to choose one, it would probably be the AMG GT-R. It just seems like it would be the best all-around car.
The Ford GT is the best looking.
The Porsche 911 GT2 RS is the most powerful.
The Lotus Exige is the most tossable on z track.
The AMG GT-R sounds the best.
Gt2 rs is not just the most powerful it is the best road legal track machine ever made. The ford gt looks horrible. But the lotus was surprising with the time and the sound.
which one would you have for a night out... FORD GT for me it's on another level in the looks department. plus it was made for racing
Agreed but I'm a ford fan
06 Ford GT to be exact
This is amazing, thank you for making this content!
this is the only car video on youtube ive seen from start to end, and im here since 12 years
Anglesey track is a bit unfair for the ford GT , and i think you didnt really push the lotus to its limits , porsche at the top as usual .. great video mate
The Lotus's gear box was having issues... and was causing miss shifts... maybe if the gearbox was better.
everything is "unfair" for the ford GT, it is a very poor track car unless you are going in a straight line
@@JOHNNYQUATTRO24 what GT have you been watching? Jeremy Clarkson's drive was way faster and pushed the GT to the level it should be driven.
I've never seen a video other than this one where the GT was flat and slow around corner's. The GT is the pinnacle just like the rs2 and rs3. Who ever drove this video held way back on the lotus and the GT
Is it the weird that I genuinely want the Lotus Exige more than the others? Porsche looks boring, Ford GT sounds uninteresting, and the AMG GTR has a weird ass
My exact thoughts when watching this video. For pure fun on the track I would take it over any of the others.
Porsche looks boring? Jesus help you and guide you through the hell you are in. Amen.
Lotus is looking like a Honda on steroids
It’s not weird, it’s an immense car!!
Evo production quality gives me goosebumps. Amazing!
Amazing video! Thanks, EVO!
Yeah! Come back evo! We missed you!
This channel is better than motor trend or all those other car channels because this car channel actually post RUclips videos. They're bloody good RUclips videos too. I think they're the most beautifully shot car videos on RUclips.
One of the best car videos I've watched lately 🖤
Really enjoyed this balanced back to back review. Excellent.
It's great to see Evo back with a well shot video, but as you said yourself Steve, you prefer the GT3(RS) and that would have been a closer match to the others. Perhaps the Lotus deserved a bit more time in the car as it was a manual before the hot lap. I honestly believe there's more time to be extracted fairly easily, but I agree that could apply with the other cars too. Looking forward to the next one.
Hahahaha! That slo-mo drift in the Lotus👌🏼
Underrated video of the year all round. What a production EVO. Who the heck this does not have 5M views?. I mean GT2 RSsssss!
such a pleasure to see Steve back on track with bunch of new exotics. Wish we had these cars in our programme :) at least two of them ;) greetings from Poland !
Left a lot on the track with the lotus. Could we try a cleaner lap?
with a better driver.... it'll probably dust up the merc.
Alexander, they make multiple runs with each car and post the fastest lap. I'm sure that was the best lap time he could get with the Lotus. They don't just run one lap and call it a day with each car.
I don't think they show you the video of the ultimate lap. It's probably an edit of footage from various laps, you can tell the sound doesn't sync properly at moments as well. I think they just make footage look good, but post the lap time of the actual fastest lap time they managed. They drive many, many laps to get the best out of cars.
that's common sense, but hey i like lotus so this is offensive
Funny, I read this before watching and don't necessarily feel the same way after seeing the footage. But with the manual setting the perfect lap time certainly involves lots and lots of skill.
I would be curious how the 720 would fare in this group ----------- this is a fabulous video AND we get to see the man, Steve Sutcliff, a treat for all.
The dude sucks... Missed several gears in the Lotus and backed out of the throttle WAAY too much in the GT.
720s ran a 1:11.50 here.
thanks - rapid transit indeed
@@JerseyMikeP can you link a video to this lap?
Love the fact that you fitted them all with the same tyres. Great video.
Awesome vid, love Sutcliffe's driving, commentary, little bit of fooling around w the cars sliding, and I think everything else too.
GT2 RS. Call it before i watch baby.
hardly a long shot is it? everyone knew it would win.
the ford fanbois *swear*
call hospital this car buy only stupid peoples
Call University, education severely needed.
Lolol. U guys r funny
Porsche really are on a bit of a roll just now aren't they!
have they ever not been?
They've gone through phases of being good but not quite the astonishing machines they could be. The current generation really has brought it all together and is in a class of its own. I've spent quite a bit of time in the GT3 RS and its just a phenomenal machine in every way.
Pretty much been the best every single year tbh.
dudebro last generation the 458 speziale was significantly quicker than the gt3 RS of the time.
didn't know we were taking about lap time only
Great comparison video Steve and folks at Evo.
Beautiful footage. I loved to watch this video!
Ok, so I've been watching this video for 4:16... Until I saw that mercedes drift in Slow Motion and instantly clicked like button ! Amazing footage, great driver.
Yeah, and they are still complaining about he being a shit driver
Lotus for me
Alfa Romeo 4C for me
Your poor ,and your small... just kidding you're just small
Watching this again after 2 years, excellent video. Was funny seeing the Lotus with Vauxhall Cavalier switchgear from the 1990's still, I remember that from my Dad's car back in the day! 😂
Honestly I love this video, it feels like a movie. Steve is a very good presenter and the cars were great. Please do more!!
that amg is my dream car ❤️ so elegant
I'll take a lotus sport 350 and stay on my favourite mountain roads, thank you very much.
Such a great and thorough video! MORE!
Very well presented, shot, edited...god that was good