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The Kaleidescape shop should be a stand alone thing so you can download bit perfect movies to your own hard drive without being locked into their overpriced hardware. $25k for 88TB is not realistic. I can build a NAS for a little over 10% of that cost.
The studios will not allow that to happen. In fact, anti-piracy was a sticking point with KScape a few years back and they almost lost studio support. Now, they can only allow you to download into their closed, proprietary ecosystem. If you sell your gear, your movies must be wiped from the hard drives, losing you big money investments in your collection.
@@dan_hitchman007 That is why i have my own NAS with 4k blu ray rips. Still a couple of thousand and counting because of new movie releases, but it is the one thing i am missing in the market. A digital movie store that actually has the bit perfect movies.
@@zjweele13 Their files are not exactly bit perfect. They further compress studio sourced ProRes mezzanine files just like what is done with a Blu-ray disc prep. Just no Dolby Vision MEL or FEL files. They end up being very similar to a disc, unless you run across the occasional lousy Studio Canal compressed disc, where the KScape file may not have visible macroblocking.
@@dan_hitchman007 ok, are the movies you download from Kaleidescape able to be watched on your Kaleidescape server without it being connected to the internet. In other words as long as you physically have the server will the movies you purchased be able watched even if it's no longer connected to the company's main server?
@@number1pappy As long as the initial download is on your purchased hardware and account, you only need to be connected for firmware updates. There is still some question as to how long you can remain untethered from the KScape internet server before certain DRM key licenses have to be renewed.
Congratulations on 100K subscribers!! This is just the beginning. Keep up the great work!
I wanted one of these systems in the worst way for a while. Almost pulled the trigger a few times. Then I got into a media player and NAS combo which filled my appetite and I’ve really enjoyed it. It really got me to thinking about what I would be paying for with K. And it really came down to one feature which was early access to lossless movies. Even the instant download wasn’t a big deal to me bc I rarely watch an anticipated movie on release day. 95% of the time it comes on a Tuesday or Wednesday and I’ll watch it over the weekend. Now, having that movie a month earlier is definitely appealing though. The question was just how much is that feature worth? Is it worth thousands of dollars to not have to wait 4 weeks? So, I finally put the idea of buying in to K out of my mind. The Media Player/NAS combo gets you so close for a fraction of the price where it was just hard to justify. I do still wonder about the quality though. A lot of talk about the mezzanine file and “better” quality, but I think I’d be surprised if there’s a noticeable difference there.
Nonetheless, still a very cool and unique product.
When having a very high end home theater system with a designed and installed equipment those extra thousands are all about quality.
@@bighands69 Yep
I think for non-hobbyists that have home theaters in their homes, Kscape also helps automate some of the more complex aspects of a home theater like masking systems, For a hobbyist, the NAS system is probably the way to go imo, but for someone who wants something turn key then Kscape is a solution.
@@commanderrussels2612 Some of those features are super cool, but I look at them more as a bonus rather than a selling point. I’ve got a relatively simple masking system with a motorized roller shade and I really wanted to make it where with a single button I could lower or raise the mask and activate the lens shift preset on the projector. In the end I couldnt make that happen so it remains a two button press, but to have it where it does all that on its own would absolutely raise the cool the factor to another level. Theres absolutely a lot to love about the K system but there’s also some catches or negatives also. I once read a post from an owner who I think summed it up pretty good when he said it’s not something you stretch to buy. If you can afford it without thinking then go for it, but if you have to save up for a while or stretch to afford it then its not worth it.
Why they are keep saying they have a better audio ? Compared to what ?
Audio on blu-ray and on UHD BD is lossless meaning identical to the studio master.. they can argue about the picture quality but the Audio is the same compared to blu-ray unless they get a different mix which I doubt ..
All claims are against unspecified streaming services which would have compressed AV.
I've been to their booth a few times over the years. They actually used to say they had better audio than Blu-ray, but that was not true. They normally get the same lossless audio tracks that appear on disc. Sometimes their files are even missing the lossless immersive tracks from the discs. They are seemingly now comparing themselves to streaming, which uses lossy compressed audio.
I assume he means compared to traditional streaming services such as Netflix or Amazon prime as I’m sure there isn’t that much difference in audio from Blu-ray/4K disc or bitrate from the 4K disc
@@jbird_inc The audio tracks are exactly the same from those prepped by the studios' home video divisions for Blu-ray disc. If they are disappointing on disc, KScape's audio will be equally disappointing.
It's mainly snake oil over UHD-BR for most users, tho these guys do get the theatrical cut and master which means the color grading and audio master they get is designed for cinemas which often mean high dynamic range for the audio and more separated channels, the color grading it also meant for cinema projectors so it can have slight improvement if your home cinema setup is really built around mimicking actually cinema then you might have slightly better results but I'm pretty sure any differences in color grading could be compensated for in calibration.
For their cheapest offering you'll have to spend $6K on a 6TB server and another $3K on the player since they've discontinued their all in one products, they also tend to discontinue their products and heavily push their customers to upgrade and the biggest issue is that you do not own the library if they go out of business or the studio pulls out the movie your purchases are gone and happened with other "premium streaming/home cinema" providers before.
❤️thanks for bringing us along to the show. Would love to attend but it's not possible, so I'm glad I can attend "virtually" through your channel.
Kaleidescape definitely has the best layout/UI compared to similar players. But yeah, that cost is rough. I'd much rather buy my own 4k discs and drives and make a NAS/get a Zappiti for much cheaper.
The sort of movies you would get on Kaleidescape maybe the type you may not actually go to the cinema and watch but would have no problem doing it at home.
This is what i do
When putting a collection together to demo your favorite scenes are you able to volume match ?
Because some movies are louder than others ?
Otherwise you would be continually changing the volume for every scene.
Do you offer HDR optimizer?I would bet if you compared yout picture on a projector against the Panasonic UB-9000 with HDR optimizer the 9000 would offer a better image.
Yup, can see it free on your Sheild too!
@youthman Thanks for the overview of this system. Now if I could just hit the lotto!
BTW, the guy doing your camera work is doing a great job. Just like being there. I'm thinking Oscar nominee time!
Agreed! Brad is amazing on the camera
Do these units allow external drives that we have full of media to hook up via USB and view it through those players like the Zappiti units.
Kaleidescape is amazing, and I’m one of the loudest supporting owners on RUclips, but news from K from CEDIA this year is underwhelming. I was really hoping for really great announcements. They seemed to be huge at the show, which is great, but I want to see new features, software, UI, new studios coming to the store, and more.
The biggest news would have been hardware pricing that can attract a much wider consumer base.
@@dan_hitchman007 never gonna happen, they tried this years ago with Cinema One Gen 2, which you could buy relatively expensively directly on Amazon, and no one bought it.
Fact of the matter is, this he vast majority of the worlds population doesn't care about quality nor consistent predictable availability of content.
And developing and manufacturing these devices isn't cheap, far from it.
The people, like yourself seemingly, who are enthusiasts but work with small budgets are far fewer in numbers than enthusiasts like myself working with bigger budgets.
Ultimately this is just a matter of prioritizing, this is similar to buying a boat or motorcycle, you just have to pick and choose.
I hope they one day release a player that allows me to stream outside the home.
In the meantime I'm currently designing an open source replacement for Slingbox that I plan on releasing sooner rather than later.
@@bluewombat Yeah, I think they found that it's better to sell less with higher margins than try to compete with AppleTVs and stuff.
@@commanderrussels2612 yup, most regular folks think a $500 TV is expensive, there's no money to be made trying to manufacture high end equipment for the masses, that's a surefire way to go bankrupt.
I am from thailand, will this service ever be available here?
Hi Michael, are you able to ask how their plans are at the moment to expand to other markets like Asia and Australia? Rumors are end of the year but I would appreciate if you could have them address this. Thanks
It's a useless piece of kit in Australia if you can't acces the store.
@@browneye1967 a lot of integrators are speculating it will be in australia sooner rather than later.
Does everything upgrade when a 8K becomes the standard? Thx Youthman, Bruce
I got to watch some movies on it.. And honestly you can't pick up the difference against a blu-ray.. If you got 2 of the same set-up side by side maybe you could see something.. But it won't be much i guess, if you already spent 25k + on a set up then it's worth it
They are very close to 4k and regular Blu-ray discs. You may run across a rare file with a lot bigger bitrate, but that's normally going to be newer 4k files from a studio like Disney as they insist on using BD-66 discs even if the movie is longer than two hours. They're cheap SOB's.
The playback quality will always be as good or better than the disc equivalent, but ultimately BD is a mostly lossless format, same with UHD, unless you get into movies that wouldn't fit on a 100gig disc, then they're per definition lossy on the disc, while still lossless on Kaleidescape, Står Wars is a good example of this.
You also need to factor in that you need a really really good disc player to get even somewhat comparable performance.
I have 2 Oppo 205 and 1 Sony X1100ES, neither deliver as good video as my Kaleidescape, they come very close, but not as good.
Ok, Is it only for projector market? If not does it support Dolby vision?
That's what I would like to know as well.
No way it’s for all displays- but no, DV is not supported.
@@DarthBrockstar ouch
HDR10 only. They do not compress Dolby Vision mezzanine files provided by their studios partners.
@@dan_hitchman007 ok
Michael, this was an absolute GEM of an interview!!
Thank you so much Mike. I really enjoyed my time at CEDIA. Lots more videos in the works. Just uploaded a new one from the HiSense booth. Look for one CEDIA video per day
🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑 Wait for the price announcement
I too was hoping the big news would be lowering the cost a bit. I’m super interested in their service and would be worth giving it a go if it was just even a little lower. I think I’ve heard integrators might be able to get you in a bit below msrp.
Contact ryan@ascendav.com. Tell him Youthman sent you.
This is a Glorified Zidoo / Zappitti Player.
Not stating the prices? Have not seen it in Canada?
If you have to ask, you cannot afford it. That's KScape's biggest Achilles heel.
The base entry level 6tb storage and player is $9000 usd.
Thing is even people like me who can afford it if they want it, would like to know how much and where in Canada you can get it,,,, how about any one else! Is the price a secret?
$25,000
Have they improved the availability to bring in physical media that you already own? My understanding is that there was a way previously but that hardware has been sunset.
A 4k UHD Blu-ray movie is, on average, about 60GB. 88TB divided by 1500 is 60.074GB. So, yeah, their files are much bigger.
Michael, do I have to buy the Terra for storage and purchase a player also?
Yes. The Terra stores the files. The players read the data from the Terra
Where can i get it of you life on The Netherlands😎
So if you rent the movie and decide to buy you can roll half your rental fee into the purchase. I dont know what the rental fee is, but is it a bit cheap of them, for lack of a better term, to not let you roll the whole rental fee? I’m trying to think of what other reason I’m missing of why they only do half.
don't get it twisted they are money hungry rip off artists that target the rich and ring them out for all they possibly can....
When can we expect Dolby Vision?
That's a good question. They used to say their acquired consumer mezzanine files were 12 bit, 4:2:2 or maybe 4:4:4, so they could start offering true 12 bit downloads with higher chroma sampling too rather than 10 bit 4:2:0. That would be a step in the right direction.
Wow - so when the voice option comes out, is that something that is a free update for the system or will someone have to get a new unit or remote that will have that feature included?
From what I've read the servers use WD SATA drives. How well do they playback such large 4k files?
Like a lot of people the price of the kit is a bit of a stubling block for me. However for me in addition and perhaps more of a concern is the fact that you can not sell the movies on despite the fact that you have purchased and "own" them. If at some point you want to move on from Kaleidescape and so decide to put your kit up for sale you can only sell it empty all the movies you have purchased are in effecct worthless as they can not be played on anything else or be sold unlike discs etc. In my view this is totally wrong yet it seldom gets talked about.
The big question for me is, what happens if they disappear? Will the studios honor all your digital purchases since you are supposed to own the movies? At this price level, Kscape should be taking that risk off of the customers.
Valid concerns. What happened when they stopped making VHS, Cassette tapes and other older formats.
The problem is you don't really own the movies - you can not for instance sell them on even if you decide to sell the player or server you can only sell it empty...
Looks like a really cool system. I am currently running a 20TB Plex server on a Synology NAS that hosts all my uncompressed UHD, BD, and DVD rips. Been a fun project
With Kaleidoscape, my fear would be what happens to all my purchases if they go under or the studios decide to not play ball? Also, I am sure the movies are DRM to death. It does look awesome, but I am not sure the value is there for the cost when compared to what I am doing now.
Can you delete movies from local storage to free up space and download again at any time?
If you already have the software, the knowledge and the NAS, you may not find the value in Kaleidescape. I feel it’s for those that want a no-hassle, easy to use interface, with a stable platform.
@@Youthman One advantage of being an IT and network professional I suppose. Thanks man, love your content!
Thank you for the kind words Joe
Why no Dolby Vision????
That's cool they go frame by frame to make sure each movie is up to their highest standards for their customers. 💯
Marketing Hype! It is the same HDR transfer used for Disc production. The metadata they add is for automation features. The actual video and sound quality is the same as disc with the exception of those with TVs that support Dolby Vision. Then there is a difference. Also a difference is some of the films with 4K masters that only have a blu-ray release. In those cases superior quality.
@@jjchmiel78 good to know! Thank you👍
So many comments from people who’ve never experienced Kaleidescape 😮
This 👆👆👆
@@Youthman I hear ya, we all know. I'm just being polite to others. Have safe travels and glad you got to have a small Texas experience in my area, I'm in Fort Worth near Cheap Audio man. Have a great one!!!
So close to 100k. I'm sorry you haven't hit it yet. Love the content!!!
Thanks Tyler! I just count myself blessed to be where I’m at today. Super grateful for all of the support!
I use PLEX. Kaleidoscope was always way to expensive.
Hi Michael, did he mention if they’re going to expand to other markets, like here in Australia ?
Paul he did not mention that so I’m not sure. It would probably be best to reach out to the company directly
We need Kaleidescape as a service without the need for the extra proprietary hardware!
It can surely run on any modern home HTPC, NAS and Gb Network.
Similar to Plex but with their content and UI. As easy as installing, logging in and setting apps on the server and on the HTPCs.
The additional hardware should be an option not a requirement!
It would be way lower barrier to entry! Mass adoption for sure!
I would definitely join then because it would be better than anything else on the market!
the studios would never go for this due to piracy concerns. Working with company the studios can mitigate that risk.
Is kaliedescape a P2P service that allows torrent downloads for their movies? Ie. Other users have the movie and will download from other users or does it get downloaded directly from a server?
No, you have to legally purchase the movies.
Until the huge news is they don't cost $9000 for the entey level set up i am left to only dream.
Blu Ray offers an amazing experience if you cannot afford their system.
I'm planning a high-end home theater next year, and I'm considering Kaleidescape. I still find the price to be very high for what it is basically the convenience of not swapping out 4K Blu-ray discs. Now, the convenience of streaming is pretty huge, but is it $20,000 huge? That's what I'm struggling with.
I own a Zappiti player and I love it!!!
You owe yourself to look into it.
Just for clarification, Kscape isn’t streaming. It’s a 1:1 physical media that you download.
@@Youthman technically, it is streaming. It’s streaming from your kaleidescape server to your kaleidescape player. Just like my Plex movies stream from my server to my TV or Roku. Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea as it brings the convenience of streaming services with the quality of a Blu-ray (or better). The cost is just a little prohibitive, especially for the larger storage sizes. I don’t quite understand the huge price jump with the added terabytes. $3,000 going from 6 to 12 TB? $8000 going from 48 to 88? from what I can find, they are not using a raid array, and even if they were using a fairly high end enterprise hard drive, that’s a massive markup. My dealer is trying to convince me it's worth it.
@@David25522 Thanks, I'll check it out! It looks like you use it to backup your movie collection, and then it organizes it like Plex or Kaleidescape?
You could literally pay a guy to come swap out the discs for you, for that kind of money.
What happens if the internet goes down? What happens to all your purchases if the company ever goes out of business?
If you don't hold it, you don't own it. Buy physical media and rip it to your own local storage if you want convenient streaming access.
Kaleidescape target audience isn’t someone that wants to rip their collection to a NAS server.
@@Youthman Doesn't make my point any less valid. Pay a high school kid to set it up for you, you'll still come out on top financially, and get to keep your physical media.
You have to do what works best for you.
Thanks. I have My own kaleidescape…. NAS with 130 Terabyte. And 1,000 Blu Rays and UHDs Remuxed. Orginal Bitrate played by Nvidia SHIELD who Support TrueHD Atmos. I think This is 1-1 quality that kaleidescape can bring.
The fact that kaliescape is not integrated with Movies Anywhere is a big no for me. I’ll stick with the 4K discs that also gives me the digital code for Movies Anywhere
It's not their fault, they used to be integrated with h Ultraviolet, and they've been working for years to strike a deal with Movies Anywhere, they're the ones blocking the deal from happening, not Kaleidescape.
👍I like the idea, but not the price. Instead buy a new 4k bluray movie every week for 20 years instead🙃
that yellow sellection square looks really lik national geographic
Thanks for the content youthman. It seems like there would be a huge opportunity for KS to lower the cost of entry and increase revenue via movie purchases.
They would need to change their business model to one of lower cost hardware that the middle class could afford, and sell more of it than exclusively playing to the much smaller luxury market. They wouldn't make as much per server piece (due to a huge markup), but they would make it up in more units sold.
Just learn how to sale the high seas yourself and use remuxes and plex. 6TB server for $5000 or 6TB harddrive + shield pro =
< $500. Sure the features and integrations are neat, but no one in the middle class is going to be affording a home theater that can integrate everything Kal can offer anyways.
@@final3119 I don't think you know what the definition of middle class in the US is, anyone who's actually middle class in the US can afford this system.
If you can't, then you're not middle class, but lower middle class. Or you simply don't prioritize this hobby high enough.
Wish I could afford it!!!😩😩. Best I can do is the Nvidia Shield 4K Streaming Device!!!!
Cheaper version = Nvidia Shield + RD + Fen
RD?
Fen?
Having a good time I see Michael
WOW! Kaleidescape for the win
If you have a very, very large pocket book.
For me doing the work and actually OWNING the movie is worth the savings. I back up my movies and use a NAS with a media player. Disc stay undamaged and I get to have satisfactory similar enough experience for considerably less. For than the the price of that 88TB server I have 120TB of storage on a NAS full of TV Shows and movies ripped from my DVDs, Blu-rays, and 4Ks. (Disclaimer, a lot of my movies are bought used from garage sales at $1-3 a piece but still 3 shy of 600 4Ks which most were bought new)
Sorry but your own system is never going to compete with Kaleidescape. Blu Ray is a fantastic option for many people but if you want a premium home experience then the likes of Kaleidescape are required.
@@bighands69 Video and sound quality with 4Ks and Blu-rays with no 4K are the same quality. The exception is when a movie only has a Blu-ray release but is available as 4K in digital. Rare Exception. If you believe otherwise, you fell victim to marketing. Like I said doing the work is worth it to me. Automation (screen, curtains, etc), shuffle wall, and download experience isn't worth it for the cost involved. What happens if they go under again? All of a sudden you have very expensive hardware and movie investment you can no longer enjoy. My discs and my backups are mine for the rest of my life. As long as I have electricity and a player that supports the formats I can watch. I don't have to worry about bankruptcy, rights changes, policy changes, etc. Too much money. Purely a device for the top 10% and those that just don't care about actual ownership.
@@jjchmiel78
Once noise introduced to the image signal it will decrease quality. DO not get me wrong a good home system can do a good picture but it will not complete with Kaleidescape on a high end home theater system.
@@bighands69 Compared to disc the picture and sound is not any different. It is the same master from the movie studio. It is the same digital 01s sent to your audio processor for sound. Player has zero difference. Same with the video. Same 01s sent to your display. The differences are what is in between. With projectors it is their often inferior built in processors, a Lumagen, MadVR, and with TVs the difference between the Sony, LG, Samsung chips etc. The real difference is when Kal. has a digital 4K master of a movie and it has not been released on 4K disc. Any other differences claimed is owner bias like those that spend thousands on audio cables claiming to hear the difference. Yes there is value for their automation integration, download before disc release, download shopping. Those are expensive conveniences without actually owning the film. I have been to 3 of 4 dealers in my city and none of them have been able to show me superior picture and sound quality. Just features and conveniences.
@@jjchmiel78 be careful. Not all Blurays comes with the same Audio tracks that their UHD Blruay discs do. Example: Mulan UHD Bluray has Dobly TrueHD Atmos, but the 1080p Bluray only has DTS-HD MA 7.1. Save Private Ryan UHD is the same way with DD Atmos, except the Bluray only has DTS-HD MA 5.1.
Why doesn't Kaleidescape launch in India, Missing massive audience from India
Kaleidescape provide 3D content too?
I don’t think so, but they absolutely should. And technically I think they could even offer movies like Gemini man and Billy Lynn in HFR 3D, but they just don’t.
@@scottywright1 If it goes against consumer specs, KScape cannot do it. HFR 3D is not in any consumer spec.
4K sbs would effectively be 1080 and then 3D displays would recognize and manage that.
Lovely !!!
Thank you for this video. I've watched several reviews of the Kaleidescape server from other you tube channels and yours is the first one to reveal the fact that Kaleidescape puts in digital cues for screen morphing and theater lighting and that they fix any errors in the films etc...I've been currently running a home server for my movie library and just didn't have enough info to justify upgrading to a Kaleidescape server. Question though, does this server have the ability to set up a cue of movie trailers, consession trailers and the the main movie like commercial theaters?? 🤔 in other words will this give the ability to load all the information needed and with a start command lower the lights while opening the curtains and adjusting the screen ,then run movie trailers then consession trailers and then run main movie then raise the lights while closing curtains? If the answer is yes I will order one ! Thank you!
I think they are saying that they do a quality control check on the mezzanine files given to them by the studios for any glitches before re-compressing them into a smaller downloadable package. Many home video post houses used to do such a QC check. The studios are getting pretty loose these days and their home video departments have been gutted.
You can in theory do this with scripts, unfortunately there's no systemwide script that'll always play before any movie.
You also need their prior generation Premier system to be able to import any custom theater intros unfortunately, this is limitations put in place by the studios, not Kaleidescape. Really the only place where I say Xbmc wins out over Kaleidescape.
I just wish it didn't cost thousands of dollars. Super awesome product though
Really impressive system. Just a great shame that those of us who live outside US cannot get access to the same library of movies that are offered in US. Makes the proposition non viable so I’ll have to stick with BluRay.
Likely due to licensing issues beyond Kaleidescapes control.
Whoa, what an incredible service eh!
Sadly, it's incredibly over priced, especially their closed-loop hardware.
I need ask Santa 🎅 for one 😆
pretty cool ...im quessing you may be upgrading ..?...
Not anytime soon. Way above my budget. I just really love the product.
@@Youthman it seams to be a great product ...but i agree it is pricy...
Crank up the Trinnov! 😉😆 Man, I'm drooling over the Trinnov and Kaleidescape! Oh, and Kaleidescape works with Home Assistant! 😀
Youthman, did you delete the telegram comment before I get a change to report them? These telegram bots need to jump off the 100-mile cliff and land on the spikes because I am very annoyed by those spam bots. But hey, all is good once that comment got deleted.
Know what? I have high respects for you and all these spam bots are doing a disservice to you. I enjoyed home theater content a whole lot. Keep producing great content. Why? Because I love home theaters so much.
If only their store wasn't available in only three countries
I’m such an addict to the ritual of using discs. Kscape tho wow, I’ve wanted one for a few years now.
We had them at MWAVE, 30 booths at CEDIA. Some day down the road I would love to have a Kaleidescape system in my home theater.
@@Youthman nice brother , me too
This device is so AWEsome. But jus out of my price range. Which sucks! Oh, well. 4k disc it is...... Thanx!!!
The one question that needed to be asked... when do you foresee kaleidescape being cheap enough for us average Joe's to afford?
There is no point it being cheap. It is supposed to be a premium experience. If somebody wants cheap then there are other options out there.
Never, they tried it already with the Cinema One Gen2 that you could buy directly on Amazon, it was their least successful product of all time, no one bought it.
Great idea but not executed right. Too much money required upfront for home entertainment, and not necessarily being future proof hardware solution. If they were to opt for offering a subscription based service or bringing down the hardware cost to around $1k, they will take over the 4k physical media market and other streaming services.
They are offering cinema level experiences in the home. There are other great options for people that cannot afford their system and cost.
I don't believe that has ever been their business model, working in the AV industry Kaleidescape have always been a very highend solution and designed to be installed, typically with $100k + private theaters, their electronics are solid and reliable with a great user experience and the highest video and audio quality available for this type of system which is very important for the end user. Features such as triggering aspect ratios for electric projector masking screens, triggering lighting scenes to turn on the lights when the movie is paused and clean integration with the main home automation control systems are more important than price for the types of private theaters they will be used in. Kaleidescape is often installed with other sources such as Apple TV and Cable boxes which cater for general movie streaming.
I guess it's a bit like asking Ferrari to make cheaper cars so everyone can afford them.
Kaleidescape was formed in 2001 and is still with us so I guess they must be doing something right.
@@cmo123100 yup, unlike Mozaex and the numerous other companies that have tried to compete with them over the years.
My guess is Zappiti and Zidoo will eventually go the way of the dodo too, I'm rooting for them to stay in business as competition is always good for the consumer, but they're not really true competitors.
I agree with Chris. Kaleidescape isn’t for everyone. But it certainly is an incredible and reliable platform.
@@cmo123100 Agreed, this is not for everyone, especially for the typical home theater enthusiast. When money is no object, integrators will definitely install this system in very expensive home cinemas as these offer cool features. However, it’ll be interesting and surprising to know if half of the budget-conscious people that we subscribe to this channel have invested in this system, as many will opt for investing in quality speakers first, then AV components, etc., for instance. It is hard to justify the cost of this system in comparison to the audio/video quality of 4k Blu-ray players/discs. They simply haven’t capitalized on the opportunity to respond to the consumer demand of more affordable models. Speaking of cars, instead of having a high-end or super car such as a Ferrari or a Lexus LFA, a Lexus LC will be just right for me 😀.
Whoa 😮 splendid 👍🏼👊🏼. UK
I WANT this service in italy! PLEASE!!!!!!
Kansas City is Watching 👀 Thanks for this video 🙌🏿
I want one but hoping they would lower their price.
notice how they don't mention the price a single time, that's because its $20000 for the base starting system and that doesn't include membership fees installation or movie cost. this thing is so over priced its hilarious! ill buy the Blu-ray for $5.99 and get the same performance thanks
Nothing wrong with you enjoying Blu-ray.
Huge news with a huge price
So, the title says “HUGE News”. What was the news?
88TB is Huge (reference to size)
@@Youthman Yeah, but you implied that it was in reference to the announcement. Oh well...your clickbait title worked and I wasted those minutes of my life. Congrats. 🙂
Thanks for watching
No money on movies? Almost believeable with the hardware pricing.
I built my 48tb nas for under $2k
So under $4k for 88tb...what do they charge if thier 22tb is running $11k??
Worse...you don't own anything. Physical disc is yours. However with this...you simply have encrypted files....until the company goes under or pulls a wb
No thanks
Very good points! It looks like a pretty cool idea but is it really that much better quality than a 4K disc? Also, like you said, why does 22TB have to cost $11k? Probably ordinary drives modified so you have to use theirs instead of regular off the shelf drives. Hard to respect a company that does that.
I will keep buying uhd discs..if they do bankrupt You lose everything..stick with discs on hand..
Actually the whole premise of Kaleidescape is that you own the content which is stored locally. No need for internet access to watch your movies.
Internet providers have a cap of one TB. This would zap it
Not all ISP's have data caps.
Not my ISP, I transfer far more than that every month without issue.
Now my 2 failover connections do, but that's not important at all as they're really ever utilized, especially the third priority one.
Still waiting for the HUGE news.
I didn’t realize 88TB was considered small?
@@Youthman haha, it's not! I'm a long-time Kaleidescape owner and fan. I've already heard that news. Since you were at CEDIA, I was anticipating a different type of announcement. Thanks for doing what you do.
They just announced it one week ago. That’s still HUGE news. 😉
@@Youthman I can't argue with you there! Let us know if they have additional HUGE news. Every year I've been hoping for Movies Anywhere integration or Kaleidescape's own solution for watching the titles us owners have purchased on other devices, like phones and tablets, etc. They keep saying they are working on a solution. I keep hoping to hear that announcement.
As soon as I hear from them I’ll let you know
99.7k😍
Love your content however seems to be pushing the title towards click bait on this one
If calling an 88TB server HUGE news is considered clickbait, not sure what to tell ya. Thanks for watching
@@Youthman I would have agreed with you was it not.for the fact that this 88TB unit is a simply a replacement for a 72TB version that had been around for some years - in my opinion “huge news” is pushing it (clickbait) to say the least.
Maybe it’s not news to current owners. I’m personally not familiar with their 72TB server. I’ll wait for them to double the TB size before I use the word HUGE in the title again. 😉
@@Youthman perhaps I’m just being overly picky - watch all your stuff and it’s inspiring as well as being very helpful with my build - great job
No worries. Glad you are enjoying the videos.
can i use it in india?
If you have a lot of money and decent internet speeds to download their files, I don't see why not.
Do people that can afford kaleidoscape really sit around watching youtube videos about kaleidoscope. This must be for the people that work for those rich people.
Yes. I have very wealthy friends that research and learn about new products on RUclips.
One big problem - Kaleidescape works only in the US ... If you are out of state you simply cant use it
That’s simply not true.
@@Ask_lu In my country, this is not supported even if I wanted to
@@Ask_lu We're sorry!
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Apple TV 4K good enough for me.
We all have to decide what works best for our setup
Zappiti + torrent is much cheaper...
And also illegal. Guess it depends on what your conscience is ok with.
@@Youthman My conscience is OK with ripping off Holywood's communists scumbags.
Is the huge news a more affordable price if not that what was the huge news because I don’t want to watch the whole video to get to the point of the video.
If you are only interested in a price reduction, do not watch the video. That is not the huge news.
@@Youthman thanks because for what your getting it’s still extremely overpriced $5,000 vs $200 to $300 or less for uhd blu ray player I’m sorry but no home video format even digitally should cost $5,000.
Some would say the same for a sports car, a luxury watch or any other expensive item. Reality is there are plenty of people that are willing to pay for the best quality audio and video, convenience of managing their movie collection in a turn key solution. Everyone has to decide for themselves if it’s worth it for them but just because we don’t think it should cost that much, doesn’t make it not worth it for someone else.
He comes across as stressed out in comparison to the guys at Perlisten.
I am like 95% of the average consumers. After I pay my monthly bills of Small house mortgage-average payment, Small vehicle-Monthly average payment, House and Vehicle insurance-Monthly average payment. Gasoline bill-average but $2.00 a gallon to high, Heat / Air payment-kinda high, Monthly Water bill-kinda high, Monthly food bill- Eat average but bill way to high, Monthly Health bills-average still to high, Monthly vehicle upkeep-average but still to high, Montly cleaning supplies-average, Monthly clothing allowance-average and a lot of other things I can't think of off the top of my head. I have about generously .12 cents a month for Kscape and all of it's movies and I love movies even some of the risque ones......:-)) Hot Rod
I’ve been there too. We followed Dave Ramsey’s advice to get out of debt, started a home business in website development building websites late at night after getting home from my full-time job, paid off $50,000 in consumer debt in 6 years, and 15 years later, I now have three businesses. You’re never too old to change your situation.
If you got a shit-ton of money to spend, yeah sure, maybe this is something you'd want.
For the rest of us humans though, no thanks. I find this to be as useless, as 1500$ 1.0m HDMI cables.
Thanks, but no thanks.
I'd rather stick with my UnRaid / Emby / Kodi home-made server.
It can do a zillion more things other than movies, and it does everything at a fraction of the price.
And as for the quality, I'm pretty damn sure, nobody is evan able to tell the difference.
And the HUGE NEWS was...???
88TB is huge.
Interpulate,not a real word buddy.
This is crap they trying to force this on us just give me the option to buy the disc. First they got us with Vhs, Betamax then Laser and dvd then Hd dvd then bluray now 4k that should be the end of it now they are taking our option out of the store and pushing this crap on us. Go jump in a lake how many times do I have to purchse my movies 4k and bluray is find put the media back in the freekin stores.
What are you talking about Peter? No one’s forcing you to do anything. You can stream, you can buy physical media, you can buy Digital Media.