I disagree on air to air intercooler being more efficient. As a former AC specialist, liquid or water to air is nearly 20 times more efficient heat transfer methods. Air to air coils are mostly used because they are cheaper to produce.
I was caught off guard when he said air to air is the most efficient… air to water has been known as the most efficient for the last 20+ years where is this guy getting his information? Charge air cooling gets better when you add refrigerant cooling to the mix
Not thermal efficiency, but power and complexity efficiency. An air to air cooler has no moving parts and thus little wear and little risk of malfunction, but the thermal efficiency means an air to air cooler would need a significantly larger radiator to provide the same cooling. He mentions the water to air cooler being a lower temp design, which I think is his acknowledgement of water being more thermally efficient.
Also, vapor chamber designs are far more efficient than water transfer designs, as phase change is incredibly thermally efficient, but it is very expensive and prone to damage thus limiting it’s implementation primarily to small electronics.
I agree, water to air is way more consistent across different climates because it's regulated by a thermostat and more efficient compared to air to air which doesn't work as well in hot weather. Water to air is slightly more complex in design while air to air is more common in HD diesel engines like Cummins which is why he probably thinks it's better.
As a FCA tech, I went through the training for this engine. The engineering was really thought through. Full supported cylinder walls, lots of reinforcement in the block, high pressure pumps located toward the front for better access. Basically an American 2JZ. It's going to be interesting when the tuners get involved and just see how much power the base engine can take before upgrades are required.
@@jhall_79the haters are already in tears as bias TFL just proved it outdid Ford up the toaster. The engine code it threw at idle after the course shows the system works correctly. 100 bucks says it had the same 0w20 for the past 4600 miles the truck has. Oil breaks down.
I just bought a 2024 Rebel with the 5.7. I replaced my Bighorn with the 4.7 I had for 16 years. I don’t plan on towing more than 4500 pounds. I’m happy to get the 5.7 before they are gone.
True but I think it comes down to being able to produce one engine that can fit in a larger number of platforms even under 3 liters a straight 6 eats a lot of space under the hood
Only a little over 1,000 miles on my Ram with the SO Hurricane, but so far it is much more responsive than my ‘21 Ram with the Hemi and gets significantly better highway mileage.
I almost purchased a 2021 RAM with the HEMI in it, but decided to wait. I’m on the fence about ordering the 2025 with the Hurricane, but this is good to hear.
@@roman9762 Good to hear! Did you notice that the Hurricane motor becomes more responsive after the first 500-1000 miles? There was another post where someone had mentioned they noticed this.
@@precisionsoundworksstudio It's an extra vehicle and does not get driven daily, only has about 1000 miles on it since this summer. I can't say I have noticed anything like that, but again probably because it's not a daily and hard to pay attention to that.
This is the best and pretty much the only video that explains how this engine was designed. I have a '25 Ram 1500 quad cab tradesman used for towing with this engine. I have had five hemi powered trucks with the same basic configuration. This engine is outstanding, low rpm torque is fantastic and I am looking forward to towing my 29' travel trailer south this winter with this truck. It also has about 100lbs more payload than the '23 hemi truck with 1,843 pounds payload. On a state highway trip with 65 mph speed limit, this engine gave me 26 mpg with a 4x4 truck, better than minivans of 20 years ago.
Inline sixes have been my favorite for more than 40 years, ever since my days as a tech at a BMW dealer. By extension, a V12 is great and silky smooth but who can afford anything they come in?
Did really like my 2015 Ram 5.7L. That engine never gave me an issue. Driving an F-150 2.7L Ecoboost now and really like it as well. I do love a straight 6 though and this looks like a great future option.
Informative video. Thank you. Looking forward to the other two installments, especially your take on the durability and functionality of the transmission that FCA pairs with this new engine.
It is cool to see the straight six come back into style. Mercedes, Land Rover/Jaguar, and Mazda all developed new inline six engines in the last 7 years. GM brought over the 3.0l diesel straight six from Europe, and BMW never left the straight six party.
@@Viperman200221 Yeah, it would have been cool if Toyota developed a new inline 6 instead of the new V6 in the tundra and sequoia, but I guess they needed to put it in several different cars and suv's so it couldn't be a long inline 6. I haven't looked recently, but it seemed like the BMW supra engines have been some what reliable, by BMW standards and they can make great power.
@@erikschutzman2402 Yeah. If they did make a new 2J it would only be in the Supra and I know they would lose money. This isn't the first time automakers have used another company's engine. The McLaren F1 comes to mind with the BMW V12!
I finally got to drive one of these Hurricane engines in a MY25 Ram 1500 SST the other day while I was at the dealer, and I was blown away with how quiet, powerful, and smooth the motor was! My Wife and I have eyeballing the Wagoneers since they came out and while I was at the dealer, I noticed the Grand Wagoneer one we liked and had our eye on was heavily discounted, so we went to go look at it the next day on our day off. We both did like her MY22 Navigator with the high output Ecoboost V6, but this Grand Wagoneer and that high output Hurricane motor are just amazing. Love this video review, as well. I started watching this when it first came out and I knew there was little to nothing that I did not like about it.
Another great video. I like how you’ve explained how you are splitting into good, bad of the SO and a dedicated HO vid. Good job mentioning at the end about emissions driven reasons for the big direction change going with this SST vs more mods to Hemi, especially when S6 has minor improvements to efficiency. I think you nailed it. Cummins and BMW have been using S6 for many years and it works well especially for torque delivery. But it does limit cab and vehicle design for fitting in a long engine. Manufacturers tend to prefer working with V’s as they are more flexible to fit in more platforms. TBH, surprised it fit into Wagoneer. Wonder if other jeeps will get the SST. Long term, this will likely be the Ram 1500 engine platform. But they gotta make it sound better, worst engine noise of all the trucks on the market IMO. And right now it’s a bleeding edge motor… risky… I hope it works well, Stellantis really needs this to be a success. Now to find out what the 2500’s will get for a power plant.
It will be interesting to see how carbon/coaking on the intake valves goes without a port injection system. Saw the interview with the Stelantis engineer in the video Getty referenced, but I was not convinced their design is going to be free from this problem as on DI gassers, anyone without port injection system as well gets carbon/gunking on the intake valves. Time will tell I suppose.
A lot of the designs have a built in oil\air separator to eliminate the carbon build up these days. Need to compare a stock hurricane with one that someone installs a oil catch can to see if build up on the valves is different between the two after 50k miles.
@@Cloud30000 If memory serves me correctly, I believe in the interview with the Stelanttis engineer they tried to adjust the cold fresh air intake into the crankcase, I think it was to minimize wet vapor being expelled via the PCV and back into the intake and it may have had a separator under the valve cover already. But again, lab testing & field testing helps, but it's really when you have a few million out on the road with the public and can see what they are looking like when they come in for service at the 50k or 80k mileage point that designs can be validated or need to be improved upon. The motor looks like it has the potential to be a great motor, but time will tell.
Excellent video, I am glad to hear the pros of this engine. I currently own a 2025 Ram Laramie with a Hurricane SO. Everything is great, the smoothness and power it delivers. Not so much on its sound, but can be taken care of later with exhaust upgrades. Though mechanically its all great, but what about electronically and software issues. I got a check engine light on at 990 miles, and the techs scanned to show multiple cylinder misfires. I am still waiting for a more thorough inspection soon. Misfires seems to be a thing with this new engine, known from many other Hurricane owners. It seems Stellantis needs to upgrade/update certain software to remedy this misfire issue. That's what I've been hearing from all other Hurricane owners (Ram truck not Jeep). In my case, the misfire hasn't caused any drivability issues, yet. Can you do some research and gather some information regarding this misfire issues that a lot of us Ram Hurricane owners are dealing with. Thank you.
As the owner of a 2012 Ram 1500 5.7 hemi it's a little sad to see that engine end production. But at least it looks like the Ram engineers were smart to hold off replacing it until they could assess the experiences of their competition. Starting with a inline six configuration means simplicity and fewer camshafts, gaskets, cam phasers, timing belts, etc. to go wrong. Water intercooling also extends turbo life. And the narrower configuration should make service access easier. I just hope they properly flush metallic debris before installation to avoid a Toyota-sized debacle.
I never thought I would love my new Laramie that much, but man, what a ride!!! Super truck to have. Very powerful, amazing ride, very….very comfortable and I must say, puts GMC and Ford anddddd Tundra in the pocket.
After working on a 70s full size Jeep Cherokee with an I6, I came to the conclusion that I only want trucks to have I6 motors. So easy to get to everything!!
I had two hemis and not the and now this Hurricane SO. The Hemi's were good smooth engines but I've had the SO for about 3 months and 3,500 miles now and it has been great, super smooth and great power. MPG is similiar in the City but on the highway I got 24 mpg on a recent road trip which is about 3 mpg better then the hemi did.
Been driving the standard SST for two months. Extremely quiet, smooth and powerful. I don’t get all the hate. If a 98 Supra inline six can be tuned to push 800 to 1000hp, Ram’s should have no problems pushing 420 and 540hp.
You are not making equal comparison though. The 2jz was overbuilt for it's application and had a very strong block. Even compared to the rb25, the 2jz is way stronger. This is likely within 20% of it's peak power ability before having concerns. Not all inline 6s are the same.
It’s good for 1000 on stock internals actually. I’m this engine exists but stellantis should’ve followed gm and ford with flat plane crank v8 for higher trim models. Europe is finding out the hard way that no one wants a an expensive sports cars with no v8s in it.
No one has enough time on this engine to know what it can do; anyone saying otherwise is full of BS. RAM could not keep offering the Hemi until its cafe numbers come down. Ford had to dump a ton of R&D into the Coyote to bring it inline, in addition to having the 2.7 to balance it out. I don’t know how GM is doing it, but I suspect they are eating the fines until they have a way to replace their V8’s. RAM does not have GM money, and can’t eat those fines.
@@Cloud30000 GM puts 4 cylinders in pretty much every model they make which offsets the V8's. The base engine in the Silverado and Sierra is the 2.7 4 cylinder "Turbomax" which comes in probably half the 1500's they build now. The 5.3 is in a lot of trucks but far less than just a few years ago and the 6.2 is only in the highest trims. Also 2.7 is the only option in Colorado and Canyon.
Back when Toyota designed the 2JZ 20% of Toyota’s profits went directly back into the engineering department of the company. That’s an insane amount of money that engineers had to develop and perfect the 2JZ and other platforms. The only other company in the automotive industry that has that % of engineering cash is Honda. Engineers get blamed on every poor design and lack of quality coming out of Detroit when in many cases they did what they could with the time and money they had to work with. Used to be there were two philosophies in the automotive manufacturing business. One was to keep engineering costs down and fix the issues once the vehicle was sold to the customer and the other was to spend more money on engineering and design and offer shorter warranty on the vehicle. Nowadays I think all manufacturers are pretty much just pushing poor quality vehicles into the market and hoping most will make it until the warranty is over. Even Toyota and Honda are manufacturing vehicles that are an embarrassment to the vehicles that they used to make.
There will be teething pains, as with any new engine. Ford had plenty with the Ecoboost. This will become a worthy standard-bearer engine. Still a shame to lose the V-8 totally.
Ford still has plenty with the Ecoboom engine line. By the time Ford gets one issue fixed they replace it with a new issue. A technician could literally open a shop specializing in Ecoboost equipped Fords and stay busy with them. I’ve worked on my share of them and they are money pits for customers who keep their vehicles long term.
Planning on driving my 2020 Grand Cherokee into the ground. Hopefully by the time i need to replace it, this new Hurricane inline 6 will be sorted out. Still not a fan of direct injection only. Combination DI/ port would have been a smarter choice.
I have always loved the in line 6 cylinder motors...probably because I drive a Peterbuilt. The HO motor will probably stomp the Ford 3.5 motor in towing.
My wife and I are looking into a new rig for her and test drove a grand wagoneer with the 6.4. Holy crap is that thing fun. Stomp on it and the ass end squats down and the thing is fairly quick. The punch of the v8 is awesome. It sold me on a 6.4. It's basically a detuned srt 6.4 from what I gather. 471 hp and 455 torque and a lot of fun. And the sound alone makes me discount the straight 6.
I have a new Grand Wagoner L 4x4 that comes with the 3L HO Hurricane motor and I must say I am very pleased! The motor is extremely thirsty at idle, but in city and highway driving I have gotten close to the rated MPG. We also have a double trailer with WaveRunners, and they are not even noticeable while towing. The MPG while towing weren't affected at all. We previously had a 23 Grand Cherokee L 4x4 with the 3.6 v6, and it did fine, but was very noticeable towing the WaveRunners.
I probably would have put the intercooler below and in front of the bottom of the radiator. And for you people that say that's stupid, it's done on ALL semi trucks. They are about the same size as the radiator.
The 5.7 liter is a legendary engine literally see them daily in many Chrysler vehicles but especially Ram trucks a Ram truck isn’t a Ram truck without a fuckin 5.7 liter hemi V8 under the hood. Yeah it’s got garbage exhaust manifolds, and can get lifter ticks, misfiring (it has 16 fricken spark plugs make sure the ignition system is functioning properly!) They are good engines because of the power and torque and they can LAST. It’s one of my favorite engines definitely. Some people shit on the engine because of lifter issues, or the manifold issues but you keep it maintained and don’t be a asshole to it it’ll last you and maybe it wouldn’t get lifter ticks if your lucky I’ve seen over 150k miles 5.7 hemis that sound fantastic no internal noises. I also enjoy working on them they are pretty straight forward It’s the only engine I’d buy in a modern Ram I got 2 with the 5.7 a 5.7 hemi magnum original, and a 2017 with a 5.7 hemi. If I’d buy older than 2003 it be a 5.9 360 obviously
I have a GDI engine with 90k miles. I installed a catch can at like 15k, but so far there has been no issues that I can attribute to carbon build up on the valves. I really think even without the CC, that most people will not have any significant issues if they perform regular oil changes over a similar period.
I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on the 3.0L duramax as well. I'm currently looking for a truck to town a jeep on a trailer, and ive been devouring your towing test videos. Great stuff. Your 5.3l and 6.2l tow tests were great! and the 2.7l turbomax really helped me decide to steer away from that engine for my needs. The 3.0 SST from RAM is on my list of possibilities, as is the 3.0 duramax in a silverado or sierra. Got any diesel mechanic opinions about the 3.0 duramax? Thanks for all the content!
I have a 2020 f150 with the 2.7 and it has the plastic oil pan. Not sure why ford decided to do that but mine hasn’t leaked so I dunno 🤷🏼♂️. Hopefully it’s good
I think this engine is very promising, I’ve been waiting for manufacturers to go back to inline 6’s and I think this one has the potential to rival the old 4.0 in terms of longevity and legacy. Even though it’s much more complicated, compared to most other motors this one seems really serviceable and the ability to run on 87 octane opens it up to more remote or fleet operations. Here’s to hoping it holds up well 🤞
thanks for the video! I went from 6.2 HEMI in Grand Wagoneer to the 3.0 HO in GW and have about 9k miles on it. so far it feels faster to accelerate and so far reliable but like you said basically no more efficient on 93. Its always in boost so no lag that I've noticed, stop start still annoying and gets off the line a little jerky when the engine goes from off to pulling away from a green light. miss that v8 sound though, the 3.0 HO is a deeper note than the 3.0 SO that is in Wagoneer - this engine almost sounds like a tuned import sound
You hit a lot of points that are certainly pluses for this new engine. One thing I wish they would have considered was a single turbocharger. It just would have simplified things above and beyond what you highlighted. Maybe the power production couldn't match up to twins.
I keep hearing about the power versus the hemi but as someone who tows a 32’ camper that maxes out the payload and towing capacity of my 1500 I can tell you that power is not an issue. The issue that WILL be a problem with these turbo engines is engine breaking. I don’t see it being as good as a v8 engine and when you’re towing stopping and overheating breaks is a bigger deal than a slight bump in power that I didn’t need.
The i6 does have less parts, but those parts are doing twice as much. Does that mean less to fail, or that what remains is now twice as likely to fail?
Great video. I have test driven these in the standard output wagoneer and they are very fast. Much faster than the old 6.4 Hemi in the Grand Wagoneer. I hope Stellantis didn't mess it up and this is a good reliable engine.
You want to use a water to air intercooler for shortening the distance between the turbos and the intake manifold, if your goal is avoiding turbo lag on a daily driven vehicle, that's the way to go. For a race car doesn't make sense because you always will have the rpms high and for weight savings, but for the street application is the way to go, especially with a separate coolant system, now the ability to transfer heat to the atmosphere depends on the system quality
Was on the fence over a new 2024 1500 with a 5.7 Hemi or a 2025 with the 3.0L TT. After comparing the two, I ended up purchasing a 2025 1500 Bighorn. It was the obvious choice for a more capable pickup. I'm going to miss the unique sound the 5.7 makes. That and the 6.4 are some of the best sounding engines I've ever heard and had the pleasure of owning. Engineers really did think things through while designing the Hurricane, I trust they made the right decision to move foward as the standard. Stellantis/FCA has been setting the bar for high perfomance engines in North America for over a decade. I doubt they'd slack on the 3.0L straight six and it shows. Or maybe I'm just biased from the 4.0L days. The new truck is a dream to tow with. You don't have to rev out the engine to stay in peak power and is smooth as butter during acceleration. Torque is immediate with out lag. It still feels like I'm dring a V8, minus the sound.
I’ll stick with my 2020 Ram 1500 Classic Hemi as long as possible. Does everything I need it to without being overly complicated to work on or costly to maintain, and was $32k brand new. Couldn’t even afford to look at a new Ram even if I was interested in the Hurricane I6.
I know no one will believe me but I got my 2019 ram 1500 quad cab v6 for $20,500 out the door right before car prices skyrocketed. I owe $643 on it, will be paid off tomorrow!
Cann you do a technical comparison between the Hurricane and B58? Everyone always mentions the B58 when talking about the Hurricane, but I've never seen a real comparison.
The H.O is more similar to the S58 while the S.O is closer to the B58.The B58 would strike better because it comes with forged internals and crank from factory unlike the S.O hurricane,while at the same time,the S.O has the advantage of having twins and having more power out of the box unlike the B58(other than the new TU3 B58 that comes as dual PI and DI from factory)top of them both having close compression ratios and etc. The H.O is similar/a bit better than the S58 only because it comes with forged internals unlike the S58 that comes with the same internals as the S63(may have gotten this V8s name wrong)V8 that are known for bending over 700whp(of course people have tested it and have gone over 800+whp with them but that's still risky regardless)along with the H.O also being plasma sprayed similarly to the VR38 and coyote. Main thing is that both are twin turbo but the hurricane has more power out of the box(well, highest hp model atm has 550hp)but the S58 has a lower compression ratio than the H.O while still being not too far off the S58s compression ratio even then.
It might be a real interesting point to see if Stelantis is still going to be a thing here in the US much longer. They are embroiled with much litigation and investigations her in the US for their business practices.
Their European owners definitely don't seem too interested in the US brands since they are trying to force them to design their vehicles as if they are selling to a European customer.
There is anecdotal evidence suggesting higher oil consumption with plasma coated engines from Ford, but I am shocked they did not use forged pistons with this engine running 0ver 20 pounds of boost.
They put the exhaust on the wrong side for a home run. They should have the exhaust on the opposite side so there isn't a crossover of both the exhaust and the fuel. Or have the fuel on the right side for easier fueling at Costco, but the DT rams already have them on the left so...
Some minor bolt on mods that engine could sound amazing! They put baffles on intakes to quiet them down. Exhausts have massive mufflers and resonators. Take those out and I bet this engine will sounds sexy!
Enjoyed your video, I too had watched the second video you had referred to. I bought a 2025 Ram 1500 with new motor and so far so good. Several comments on a owners forum commenting on a misfire which triggers a "check Engine" light. Had heard an "on line update" is in the works-any info on that ???
It's using an open deck, that's gonna add up to big problems before 30k miles. Also the HO model is the engine that comes with a forged crank and connecting rods. The standard has a regular crank and connecting rods
It sounds really busy, a little more than I like. The rattle would make me go crazy. I have a Bighorn 1500 eTorque that is very quiet running and has zero vibration.
Ive had 3 reports from people that own them. 1 is happy 2 isn't. The 2 that isn't had issues out the gate. One blew oil all over underneath the truck. Other told me the engine failed on them at 15k. Shop that towed it in said alot of cheap part and shortcuts were taken, especially the 2 turbo. This is why I wait 3 or so years to get a new style engine.
I am curios to know, why the I6 (with Turbos) is less efficient in the city compared to the V8. Surprises me. Is there a logical explanation, or is this probably caused by enforced emission requirements which are choking down the efficiency?
H.O -More hp(510-550hp from factory but is model dependent with hp) -H.O can only take premium(S.O can take reg gas) -Is a I6 -comes DI only unlike the ecoboost coming DI and PI recently -has a closed deck block unlike the ecoboosts open deck block. -comes with forged internals and crank(S.O doesn't have this unfortunately).
Every Chevy LS based truck engine ever made comes from the factory with aluminum pistons. Most of the Corvettes and Camaros as well. Same with most Coyotee based V8's. They all hold up fine under heavy boost when they have proper ring gap and are tuned correctly.
Not sure I've ever seen a steel piston in a gas engine. The new HO powerstroke I believe uses them. Outside of that steel pistons, at least the crowns, are typically industrial applications.
What's the compression ratio for the Hurricane? You mentioned Knock, but a NA engine would ideally run at higher a higher compression ratio meaning knock is more important to manage
My son who recently traded his 2016 Mustang GT for a 2023 BMW X5 plug in hybrid which he really likes flew from CA to help his Mom and sisters family after Helene who live close to Asheville rented a 2025 Ram Rebel with the Hurricane engine. He loves it so much that he's now planning to trade his BMW for a new Ram Rebel.
The fact that the cylinder liner are treated with a specialized process only an OEM has access to, tells me that the engine blocks are throw away because no machine shop will be able to re-bore and hone these. Good job Stelantis.
But, does it sound as good as my 5.7l on cold start? No. 😊 a few things... 1) with the shake up at the top, it sounds like a v8 may be coming back. 2) I don't understand the push from the EPA to go to these turbo 6's that require 91 octane and get the same or worse real world mpg as my 5.7l hemi. All that does is cost me more money at the pump! 3) 100% agree with the inline 6. 4.0l, anyone? Bulletproof. Hopefully they took some notes! Great video as always, thanks for all the great detail.
Nice first review. I am looking to replace my 2019 Chevrolet 1500 5.3 8-speed next year and am starting to shop around. I am intrigued by the Ford 2.7. It really drives nicely and has impressive power and throttle response. I have yet to try out the Chevy 2.7 or the 3.0 diesel for that matter but intend to soon. I wasn't even considering a Ram but maybe I will try out the new engine when one hits the lot near me. I am most interested in which one is just plain reliable for the long haul. I may just end up with another 5.3 but the 10 speed this time. I did notice that both Ford and Chevy limit the trim levels in which the 2.7 engines are available for some reason. And chevy keeps the 8-speed behind the 2.7 four for some reason. I will be interested to see what negatives you find with the Stelantis 3.0 Hurricane engine and if possible compare all three small displacement turbo engines.
the 2.7L ecoboost is a fantastic turbo engine option. very very strong build and design. I believe its the only engine with a compact graphite Iron block. I think the I-6 has more natural advantages then a V6 but ford build that engine well. completely different then the 3.5L ecoboost. the 3L duramax is also a pretty nice engine. If it were me personally I would wait on the Hurricane for a year or 2 and just see how they react in the hands of real owners. making sure they are actually reliable.
I do worry about direct injection, plus where's my dipstick . Plus truck prices, I think I'll keep my 2015 Hemi for a while. Looking forwards to the next videos.
Very good points, they are also major to me. Besides these major points, I am looking forward to the I6 in general, because as he mentioned, the engine design (independent from Dodge) has many advantages, but yes: It's lacking the "balls" from a V8, but therefor it's just smooth.
@@rshearn Ford added cylinder deactivation and a belt driven oil pump to the 5.0 in 2021. You will probably be better off with the 2.7, unless you are buying used pre 2021.
On the surface it looks good, sounds weird though. Time will tell!! I drove the hurricane for 2 weeks and the thing that bothered me was only 21 psi oil pressure at 70 mph, my 5.7 runs 52 psi at 70 mph
Must driving on gravel roads a lot for engine to be that dirty? I wish car manufacturers would put a lot of splash guards underneath to block road grime out of engine area. It does hurt a little on cooling but worth in my opinion
nice to have a inline-6 motor in a pickup truck. my only gripe is how much production Stellantis is moving to Mexico (which will be all at some point & most, as of right now)
Mexico is becoming too expensive. They are moving production to Brazil. Stellantis Vehicles have heritage in certain countries, but they prefer to be assembling in Poland and Brazil right now. The vehicles with the Hurricane Motor are all USA for right now. The Ram 1500 in Sterling Heights and the Wagoneer in Warren. They are adding the Durango and Grand Cherokee at Jefferson. The Charger will be changing that adding Brampton in Canada. Saltillo was making the Hemis so no real change to making the Hurricane.
Time will tell with this design. My interest might cause some concern. I’m interested in the create version of this engine…for my old Chevy truck. The H.O. coupled with a T56 Magnum? That seems like it would be a great daily driver with, or without, a load in the truck. In truth, I just want the power if I need it. Most crate engines surpass the original 350 output by far. This engine also has an estimated dry weight that is way lower than a V8 or a diesel. If I can pull decent mileage? That would be great.
But I can’t even check my own oil level. Should I really trust sensors to tell me oil level? Little scary to me. I’m an oil nerd… so this is gonna take a while to get used to an engine with no oil dipstick where I can physically see my oil
A non-issue in my mind. Maybe paying a little extra attention when you do your own oil changes to see if everything matches to what the vehicle says, but after that I bet you’ll forget to worry.
@@ALMX5DP ... until the warning light fails and you don't know you're low on oil until it's too late and wipe out an expensive engine that Ram won't warranty > > > all because some idiot engineer/ bean counter saved a few pennies by removing a dipstick.
@@hmdwn you sound so certain of a failure at the most inopportune time, I presume you also believe if/when that occurs (sensor “failing”) there will be no indication made to the driver? Any foundation for this colorful opinion of yours?
I have owned BMWs with oil sensors. There are several advantages with the upgrade! 1. 99% of drivers do not check their oil ever. 2. If the sensor fails, you will have an error message. 3. Driver will be alerted if oil is low! 4. Sensor works while driving and saves many engines from blowing up due to a rock to the oil pan or an oil cooler system leak. 5. Saves the OEM big time on warranty claims. They can tell if you ran without enough oil. Costs us less not paying for others mistakes. 6. Easier to catch fuel dilution caused by improper fuel injection. What’s not to like? You can still smell the oil fill tube if you possess mad skills and you can determine if there are issues with the oil.
I've been getting 19-21 combined MPG consistently with my 5.7L etorque RAM 1500. I've noticed Shell gives me better mileage than most other stations near me. Make sure to use mid grade if you aren't already. Regular brings the mpg way down.
@@BeRyan8923I always told family members & friends that shell’s formula gives better gas mileage especially on the highways. I recently got 24mpg on shell mid grade gas, 2hrs drive with cruise control set @70mph and gears manually selected to +8 to force all V8 cylinders working (hate eco mode).
I myself can't wait for folks to start tuning these. I'm curious how much boost the spray in liners will hold. I6 engines have always held a spot in my heart.
Hey guys, sorry about the lighting being a little over exposed. My skill set is not working the camera, clearly 😅.
I had to put my sunglasses on to watch this one...😮😅
I have got to see you with the RAM SO version on your towing loop.
Your audience cares about the facts and your opinion. It’s all good
I disagree on air to air intercooler being more efficient. As a former AC specialist, liquid or water to air is nearly 20 times more efficient heat transfer methods. Air to air coils are mostly used because they are cheaper to produce.
I was caught off guard when he said air to air is the most efficient… air to water has been known as the most efficient for the last 20+ years where is this guy getting his information? Charge air cooling gets better when you add refrigerant cooling to the mix
If it was more efficient Merc and BMW would have been air to air too. Air to air is only on lower end brands - full stop.
Not thermal efficiency, but power and complexity efficiency. An air to air cooler has no moving parts and thus little wear and little risk of malfunction, but the thermal efficiency means an air to air cooler would need a significantly larger radiator to provide the same cooling.
He mentions the water to air cooler being a lower temp design, which I think is his acknowledgement of water being more thermally efficient.
Also, vapor chamber designs are far more efficient than water transfer designs, as phase change is incredibly thermally efficient, but it is very expensive and prone to damage thus limiting it’s implementation primarily to small electronics.
I agree, water to air is way more consistent across different climates because it's regulated by a thermostat and more efficient compared to air to air which doesn't work as well in hot weather. Water to air is slightly more complex in design while air to air is more common in HD diesel engines like Cummins which is why he probably thinks it's better.
Phenomenal explanation of this engine. Quickly becoming one of my favorite channels for truck overviews
As a FCA tech, I went through the training for this engine.
The engineering was really thought through. Full supported cylinder walls, lots of reinforcement in the block, high pressure pumps located toward the front for better access. Basically an American 2JZ.
It's going to be interesting when the tuners get involved and just see how much power the base engine can take before upgrades are required.
I’m hoping this engine is a solid one, time to silence the haters
@@jhall_79the haters are already in tears as bias TFL just proved it outdid Ford up the toaster. The engine code it threw at idle after the course shows the system works correctly. 100 bucks says it had the same 0w20 for the past 4600 miles the truck has. Oil breaks down.
How much is this vehicle?
@fullbloodedchristian9206 time will tell.
It needed “reinforcement” since it started out as a 122 HP Alpha Romeo 2.2 liter 4 cylinder.
I just bought a 2024 Rebel with the 5.7. I replaced my Bighorn with the 4.7 I had for 16 years. I don’t plan on towing more than 4500 pounds. I’m happy to get the 5.7 before they are gone.
@@shayjohnson5830yep I have a 2020 5.7 and will get one more before they are gone
Wise choice. I change the oil every 6k-7k kms in my 5.7 and keep the idling time as little as possible, she runs like a charm after 112k.
Stay on top of those oil changes
Great engine, though overkill for the towing application.
Add some biotech lubegard each oil change to keep engine tick away.
Got my Rebel in late March just before they started pumping out the 25’s. Glad I got the 5.7! G/T package has a nice stock exhaust note.
Sad how Toyota who built some of the most legendary inline-6 engines now seems to be allergic to them.
True but I think it comes down to being able to produce one engine that can fit in a larger number of platforms even under 3 liters a straight 6 eats a lot of space under the hood
@thejosh0100 also inline 6 tends to be a taller engine, toyota likes to design front ends with low hoods.
@@herculesinwyoming cries in Tacoma and tundra
@@herculesinwyomingNo, the new Tacoma and tundra hoods are tall
Same with ford with that 300 straight 6 they had. You couldn’t kill that thing
Only a little over 1,000 miles on my Ram with the SO Hurricane, but so far it is much more responsive than my ‘21 Ram with the Hemi and gets significantly better highway mileage.
I almost purchased a 2021 RAM with the HEMI in it, but decided to wait. I’m on the fence about ordering the 2025 with the Hurricane, but this is good to hear.
Same, replaced my 2020 Rebel with Hemi for a 2025 Rebel with I6. So far better in every way.
@@roman9762 Good to hear! Did you notice that the Hurricane motor becomes more responsive after the first 500-1000 miles? There was another post where someone had mentioned they noticed this.
@@precisionsoundworksstudio It's an extra vehicle and does not get driven daily, only has about 1000 miles on it since this summer. I can't say I have noticed anything like that, but again probably because it's not a daily and hard to pay attention to that.
@@roman9762 Great to hear you like it better than the HEMI, though.
This is the best and pretty much the only video that explains how this engine was designed. I have a '25 Ram 1500 quad cab tradesman used for towing with this engine. I have had five hemi powered trucks with the same basic configuration. This engine is outstanding, low rpm torque is fantastic and I am looking forward to towing my 29' travel trailer south this winter with this truck. It also has about 100lbs more payload than the '23 hemi truck with 1,843 pounds payload. On a state highway trip with 65 mph speed limit, this engine gave me 26 mpg with a 4x4 truck, better than minivans of 20 years ago.
Inline sixes have been my favorite for more than 40 years, ever since my days as a tech at a BMW dealer. By extension, a V12 is great and silky smooth but who can afford anything they come in?
Did really like my 2015 Ram 5.7L. That engine never gave me an issue. Driving an F-150 2.7L Ecoboost now and really like it as well. I do love a straight 6 though and this looks like a great future option.
Informative video. Thank you. Looking forward to the other two installments, especially your take on the durability and functionality of the transmission that FCA pairs with this new engine.
It is cool to see the straight six come back into style. Mercedes, Land Rover/Jaguar, and Mazda all developed new inline six engines in the last 7 years. GM brought over the 3.0l diesel straight six from Europe, and BMW never left the straight six party.
It's sad to see Toyota cheaping out and using a BMW straight 6 in the new Supra. It would of been nice if they designed a new age 2J!
@@Viperman200221 Yeah, it would have been cool if Toyota developed a new inline 6 instead of the new V6 in the tundra and sequoia, but I guess they needed to put it in several different cars and suv's so it couldn't be a long inline 6.
I haven't looked recently, but it seemed like the BMW supra engines have been some what reliable, by BMW standards and they can make great power.
@@erikschutzman2402 Yeah. If they did make a new 2J it would only be in the Supra and I know they would lose money. This isn't the first time automakers have used another company's engine. The McLaren F1 comes to mind with the BMW V12!
Sad! That I6 sounds absolutely terrible.
I finally got to drive one of these Hurricane engines in a MY25 Ram 1500 SST the other day while I was at the dealer, and I was blown away with how quiet, powerful, and smooth the motor was! My Wife and I have eyeballing the Wagoneers since they came out and while I was at the dealer, I noticed the Grand Wagoneer one we liked and had our eye on was heavily discounted, so we went to go look at it the next day on our day off. We both did like her MY22 Navigator with the high output Ecoboost V6, but this Grand Wagoneer and that high output Hurricane motor are just amazing. Love this video review, as well. I started watching this when it first came out and I knew there was little to nothing that I did not like about it.
Another great video. I like how you’ve explained how you are splitting into good, bad of the SO and a dedicated HO vid. Good job mentioning at the end about emissions driven reasons for the big direction change going with this SST vs more mods to Hemi, especially when S6 has minor improvements to efficiency. I think you nailed it. Cummins and BMW have been using S6 for many years and it works well especially for torque delivery. But it does limit cab and vehicle design for fitting in a long engine. Manufacturers tend to prefer working with V’s as they are more flexible to fit in more platforms. TBH, surprised it fit into Wagoneer. Wonder if other jeeps will get the SST.
Long term, this will likely be the Ram 1500 engine platform. But they gotta make it sound better, worst engine noise of all the trucks on the market IMO. And right now it’s a bleeding edge motor… risky… I hope it works well, Stellantis really needs this to be a success. Now to find out what the 2500’s will get for a power plant.
Too many people focus on MPG but do not realize that emissions are not the same as MPG; if they were, a Prius would not need a catalytic converter.
Great video! You do a great job in digging deep into the details.
It will be interesting to see how carbon/coaking on the intake valves goes without a port injection system. Saw the interview with the Stelantis engineer in the video Getty referenced, but I was not convinced their design is going to be free from this problem as on DI gassers, anyone without port injection system as well gets carbon/gunking on the intake valves. Time will tell I suppose.
I have a well tuned 3.5 TT. Lots of bolt ons. I have a special 93 octane tune.
That carbon was what worried me too. Only time will tell!!
And, good luck getting the intake off to walnut blast the valves.
A lot of the designs have a built in oil\air separator to eliminate the carbon build up these days. Need to compare a stock hurricane with one that someone installs a oil catch can to see if build up on the valves is different between the two after 50k miles.
@@Cloud30000 If memory serves me correctly, I believe in the interview with the Stelanttis engineer they tried to adjust the cold fresh air intake into the crankcase, I think it was to minimize wet vapor being expelled via the PCV and back into the intake and it may have had a separator under the valve cover already. But again, lab testing & field testing helps, but it's really when you have a few million out on the road with the public and can see what they are looking like when they come in for service at the 50k or 80k mileage point that designs can be validated or need to be improved upon. The motor looks like it has the potential to be a great motor, but time will tell.
@@jameszeiger8533 this is partly why I'd like it if it where dual Port and direct so it'd be less of a thing to worry about.
Excellent video, I am glad to hear the pros of this engine. I currently own a 2025 Ram Laramie with a Hurricane SO. Everything is great, the smoothness and power it delivers. Not so much on its sound, but can be taken care of later with exhaust upgrades. Though mechanically its all great, but what about electronically and software issues. I got a check engine light on at 990 miles, and the techs scanned to show multiple cylinder misfires. I am still waiting for a more thorough inspection soon. Misfires seems to be a thing with this new engine, known from many other Hurricane owners. It seems Stellantis needs to upgrade/update certain software to remedy this misfire issue. That's what I've been hearing from all other Hurricane owners (Ram truck not Jeep). In my case, the misfire hasn't caused any drivability issues, yet.
Can you do some research and gather some information regarding this misfire issues that a lot of us Ram Hurricane owners are dealing with. Thank you.
As the owner of a 2012 Ram 1500 5.7 hemi it's a little sad to see that engine end production. But at least it looks like the Ram engineers were smart to hold off replacing it until they could assess the experiences of their competition. Starting with a inline six configuration means simplicity and fewer camshafts, gaskets, cam phasers, timing belts, etc. to go wrong. Water intercooling also extends turbo life. And the narrower configuration should make service access easier. I just hope they properly flush metallic debris before installation to avoid a Toyota-sized debacle.
Wow, the even more complicated than an ecoboost? I don't know man!
Inlines have issues of their own....
@@davidortiz173 Quite the opposite. In-line 6 is the simplest engine architecture.
@@doctordetroit4339Name them please.
I never thought I would love my new Laramie that much, but man, what a ride!!! Super truck to have. Very powerful, amazing ride, very….very comfortable and I must say, puts GMC and Ford anddddd Tundra in the pocket.
After working on a 70s full size Jeep Cherokee with an I6, I came to the conclusion that I only want trucks to have I6 motors. So easy to get to everything!!
Yeah it ain’t an old straight six from the 70s, much more complicated with alot more sensors and plumbing.
I had two hemis and not the and now this Hurricane SO. The Hemi's were good smooth engines but I've had the SO for about 3 months and 3,500 miles now and it has been great, super smooth and great power. MPG is similiar in the City but on the highway I got 24 mpg on a recent road trip which is about 3 mpg better then the hemi did.
Been driving the standard SST for two months. Extremely quiet, smooth and powerful. I don’t get all the hate. If a 98 Supra inline six can be tuned to push 800 to 1000hp, Ram’s should have no problems pushing 420 and 540hp.
You are not making equal comparison though. The 2jz was overbuilt for it's application and had a very strong block. Even compared to the rb25, the 2jz is way stronger. This is likely within 20% of it's peak power ability before having concerns. Not all inline 6s are the same.
It’s good for 1000 on stock internals actually. I’m this engine exists but stellantis should’ve followed gm and ford with flat plane crank v8 for higher trim models. Europe is finding out the hard way that no one wants a an expensive sports cars with no v8s in it.
No one has enough time on this engine to know what it can do; anyone saying otherwise is full of BS.
RAM could not keep offering the Hemi until its cafe numbers come down. Ford had to dump a ton of R&D into the Coyote to bring it inline, in addition to having the 2.7 to balance it out. I don’t know how GM is doing it, but I suspect they are eating the fines until they have a way to replace their V8’s. RAM does not have GM money, and can’t eat those fines.
@@Cloud30000 GM puts 4 cylinders in pretty much every model they make which offsets the V8's. The base engine in the Silverado and Sierra is the 2.7 4 cylinder "Turbomax" which comes in probably half the 1500's they build now. The 5.3 is in a lot of trucks but far less than just a few years ago and the 6.2 is only in the highest trims. Also 2.7 is the only option in Colorado and Canyon.
Back when Toyota designed the 2JZ 20% of Toyota’s profits went directly back into the engineering department of the company. That’s an insane amount of money that engineers had to develop and perfect the 2JZ and other platforms. The only other company in the automotive industry that has that % of engineering cash is Honda.
Engineers get blamed on every poor design and lack of quality coming out of Detroit when in many cases they did what they could with the time and money they had to work with. Used to be there were two philosophies in the automotive manufacturing business. One was to keep engineering costs down and fix the issues once the vehicle was sold to the customer and the other was to spend more money on engineering and design and offer shorter warranty on the vehicle. Nowadays I think all manufacturers are pretty much just pushing poor quality vehicles into the market and hoping most will make it until the warranty is over. Even Toyota and Honda are manufacturing vehicles that are an embarrassment to the vehicles that they used to make.
I really enjoy your reviews. Great editing and easy to follow
Great review, I may get a 2025 Rebel with this engine tomorrow, so far most reviews are very positive but your is a more in depth review.
There will be teething pains, as with any new engine. Ford had plenty with the Ecoboost. This will become a worthy standard-bearer engine. Still a shame to lose the V-8 totally.
Mad max comes to life
Ford still has plenty with the Ecoboom engine line. By the time Ford gets one issue fixed they replace it with a new issue. A technician could literally open a shop specializing in Ecoboost equipped Fords and stay busy with them. I’ve worked on my share of them and they are money pits for customers who keep their vehicles long term.
I just bought a 2025 1500 longhorn. Still sad I have no hemi but I love Ram. Atleast I still have my 5.7L Durango
Planning on driving my 2020 Grand Cherokee into the ground. Hopefully by the time i need to replace it, this new Hurricane inline 6 will be sorted out. Still not a fan of direct injection only. Combination DI/ port would have been a smarter choice.
In history there have been some great I-6. GM 292 I-6, Ford 300 I-6, Jeep 4.0 I-6.
I have always loved the in line 6 cylinder motors...probably because I drive a Peterbuilt. The HO motor will probably stomp the Ford 3.5 motor in towing.
My wife and I are looking into a new rig for her and test drove a grand wagoneer with the 6.4. Holy crap is that thing fun. Stomp on it and the ass end squats down and the thing is fairly quick. The punch of the v8 is awesome. It sold me on a 6.4. It's basically a detuned srt 6.4 from what I gather. 471 hp and 455 torque and a lot of fun. And the sound alone makes me discount the straight 6.
I am grunting like Tim Allen in Home Improvement reading this. Long live the Hemi.
Grand Wagoneer is great, but I don’t know anyone cross-shopping a 1/2 ton pickup and a Grand Wagoneer.
We will see how well they designed the head and block clamping to prevent blown head gaskets.
Yes design is one thing. real world performance is another! hopefully it holds up.
I hope this engine does really well. I’m a Hemi guy right now and hate to see it go but I’m excited about this new engine.
I have a new Grand Wagoner L 4x4 that comes with the 3L HO Hurricane motor and I must say I am very pleased! The motor is extremely thirsty at idle, but in city and highway driving I have gotten close to the rated MPG. We also have a double trailer with WaveRunners, and they are not even noticeable while towing. The MPG while towing weren't affected at all. We previously had a 23 Grand Cherokee L 4x4 with the 3.6 v6, and it did fine, but was very noticeable towing the WaveRunners.
Great review, but what’s missing is what are the mechanical, fuel injection details and ECU alterations between the SO and HO engine variants?
I probably would have put the intercooler below and in front of the bottom of the radiator. And for you people that say that's stupid, it's done on ALL semi trucks. They are about the same size as the radiator.
It's an air to water intercooler. I'm not sure all that extra plumbing would be useful
That's the way my 6.2 Chevy Silverado Edelbrock supercharger kit has it placed.
That area is the first to be hit if you misjudge your ground clearance; not sure Ram wants to fight all the warrantee claims that would result.
It has an air to water cooler so you don't need to put it somewhere to get air flow.
The 5.7 liter is a legendary engine literally see them daily in many Chrysler vehicles but especially Ram trucks a Ram truck isn’t a Ram truck without a fuckin 5.7 liter hemi V8 under the hood.
Yeah it’s got garbage exhaust manifolds, and can get lifter ticks, misfiring (it has 16 fricken spark plugs make sure the ignition system is functioning properly!)
They are good engines because of the power and torque and they can LAST. It’s one of my favorite engines definitely. Some people shit on the engine because of lifter issues, or the manifold issues but you keep it maintained and don’t be a asshole to it it’ll last you and maybe it wouldn’t get lifter ticks if your lucky I’ve seen over 150k miles 5.7 hemis that sound fantastic no internal noises.
I also enjoy working on them they are pretty straight forward
It’s the only engine I’d buy in a modern Ram I got 2 with the 5.7 a 5.7 hemi magnum original, and a 2017 with a 5.7 hemi.
If I’d buy older than 2003 it be a 5.9 360 obviously
Motorcycle engines have used sprayed on liner aluminum cylinders since the 1980's and they work just fine.
Great content Getty Adventures, I'd love a video talking about the SO vs HO hurricane engine. 👍
if it is gdi only the intake valves will get crudded up...that servicing offsets some of the fuel saving when it comes to lifetime cost calculation...
I have a GDI engine with 90k miles. I installed a catch can at like 15k, but so far there has been no issues that I can attribute to carbon build up on the valves. I really think even without the CC, that most people will not have any significant issues if they perform regular oil changes over a similar period.
Love the change of scenery! Another great video
Good review!!
Should be a beast in a Wrangler...
I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on the 3.0L duramax as well. I'm currently looking for a truck to town a jeep on a trailer, and ive been devouring your towing test videos. Great stuff. Your 5.3l and 6.2l tow tests were great! and the 2.7l turbomax really helped me decide to steer away from that engine for my needs. The 3.0 SST from RAM is on my list of possibilities, as is the 3.0 duramax in a silverado or sierra. Got any diesel mechanic opinions about the 3.0 duramax? Thanks for all the content!
My 2020 F150 3.5L ecoboost had an aluminum oil pan from factory. So, I don’t think it’s an issue anymore
I have a 2020 f150 with the 2.7 and it has the plastic oil pan. Not sure why ford decided to do that but mine hasn’t leaked so I dunno 🤷🏼♂️. Hopefully it’s good
Adding port injection and a dipstick would alleviate a lot of concerns.
I think this engine is very promising, I’ve been waiting for manufacturers to go back to inline 6’s and I think this one has the potential to rival the old 4.0 in terms of longevity and legacy. Even though it’s much more complicated, compared to most other motors this one seems really serviceable and the ability to run on 87 octane opens it up to more remote or fleet operations. Here’s to hoping it holds up well 🤞
Really nice explanations for those of us that are not mechanics.
So no dipstick, if the sensor tells you low oil, how do you know how much to add?
thanks for the video! I went from 6.2 HEMI in Grand Wagoneer to the 3.0 HO in GW and have about 9k miles on it. so far it feels faster to accelerate and so far reliable but like you said basically no more efficient on 93.
Its always in boost so no lag that I've noticed, stop start still annoying and gets off the line a little jerky when the engine goes from off to pulling away from a green light.
miss that v8 sound though, the 3.0 HO is a deeper note than the 3.0 SO that is in Wagoneer - this engine almost sounds like a tuned import sound
You hit a lot of points that are certainly pluses for this new engine. One thing I wish they would have considered was a single turbocharger. It just would have simplified things above and beyond what you highlighted. Maybe the power production couldn't match up to twins.
I keep hearing about the power versus the hemi but as someone who tows a 32’ camper that maxes out the payload and towing capacity of my 1500 I can tell you that power is not an issue. The issue that WILL be a problem with these turbo engines is engine breaking. I don’t see it being as good as a v8 engine and when you’re towing stopping and overheating breaks is a bigger deal than a slight bump in power that I didn’t need.
The i6 does have less parts, but those parts are doing twice as much. Does that mean less to fail, or that what remains is now twice as likely to fail?
Million mile Inline truck engines easily squash your logic.
This straight 6 will be legendary after the first generation. Watch the hp and torque climb in a year or 2. I see 500+hp easy and smooth as silk.
Another point i should say is Ram trucks use 0W-20 oil, which gets thin faster under heat. I urge owners to change to 5W-30 fully synthetic ASAP.
Great video. I have test driven these in the standard output wagoneer and they are very fast. Much faster than the old 6.4 Hemi in the Grand Wagoneer. I hope Stellantis didn't mess it up and this is a good reliable engine.
You want to use a water to air intercooler for shortening the distance between the turbos and the intake manifold, if your goal is avoiding turbo lag on a daily driven vehicle, that's the way to go. For a race car doesn't make sense because you always will have the rpms high and for weight savings, but for the street application is the way to go, especially with a separate coolant system, now the ability to transfer heat to the atmosphere depends on the system quality
I build and race hemi motors, bought a 2025 with the Hurricane 6 and it has been very impressive so far
Was on the fence over a new 2024 1500 with a 5.7 Hemi or a 2025 with the 3.0L TT. After comparing the two, I ended up purchasing a 2025 1500 Bighorn. It was the obvious choice for a more capable pickup. I'm going to miss the unique sound the 5.7 makes. That and the 6.4 are some of the best sounding engines I've ever heard and had the pleasure of owning. Engineers really did think things through while designing the Hurricane, I trust they made the right decision to move foward as the standard. Stellantis/FCA has been setting the bar for high perfomance engines in North America for over a decade. I doubt they'd slack on the 3.0L straight six and it shows. Or maybe I'm just biased from the 4.0L days. The new truck is a dream to tow with. You don't have to rev out the engine to stay in peak power and is smooth as butter during acceleration. Torque is immediate with out lag. It still feels like I'm dring a V8, minus the sound.
I’ll stick with my 2020 Ram 1500 Classic Hemi as long as possible. Does everything I need it to without being overly complicated to work on or costly to maintain, and was $32k brand new. Couldn’t even afford to look at a new Ram even if I was interested in the Hurricane I6.
I bet a new Hurricane engine would around 30k alone lol
@@GettysGarage Price for a new crate hurricane is around 8k U.S. They just released the pricing on them.
I know no one will believe me but I got my 2019 ram 1500 quad cab v6 for $20,500 out the door right before car prices skyrocketed. I owe $643 on it, will be paid off tomorrow!
Same truck from the same dealer right now, $42k!
Cann you do a technical comparison between the Hurricane and B58? Everyone always mentions the B58 when talking about the Hurricane, but I've never seen a real comparison.
The H.O is more similar to the S58 while the S.O is closer to the B58.The B58 would strike better because it comes with forged internals and crank from factory unlike the S.O hurricane,while at the same time,the S.O has the advantage of having twins and having more power out of the box unlike the B58(other than the new TU3 B58 that comes as dual PI and DI from factory)top of them both having close compression ratios and etc. The H.O is similar/a bit better than the S58 only because it comes with forged internals unlike the S58 that comes with the same internals as the S63(may have gotten this V8s name wrong)V8 that are known for bending over 700whp(of course people have tested it and have gone over 800+whp with them but that's still risky regardless)along with the H.O also being plasma sprayed similarly to the VR38 and coyote. Main thing is that both are twin turbo but the hurricane has more power out of the box(well, highest hp model atm has 550hp)but the S58 has a lower compression ratio than the H.O while still being not too far off the S58s compression ratio even then.
It might be a real interesting point to see if Stelantis is still going to be a thing here in the US much longer. They are embroiled with much litigation and investigations her in the US for their business practices.
Their European owners definitely don't seem too interested in the US brands since they are trying to force them to design their vehicles as if they are selling to a European customer.
There is anecdotal evidence suggesting higher oil consumption with plasma coated engines from Ford, but I am shocked they did not use forged pistons with this engine running 0ver 20 pounds of boost.
the HO uses forged pistons. but yes the SO uses cast.
They put the exhaust on the wrong side for a home run. They should have the exhaust on the opposite side so there isn't a crossover of both the exhaust and the fuel. Or have the fuel on the right side for easier fueling at Costco, but the DT rams already have them on the left so...
Some minor bolt on mods that engine could sound amazing! They put baffles on intakes to quiet them down. Exhausts have massive mufflers and resonators. Take those out and I bet this engine will sounds sexy!
Enjoyed your video, I too had watched the second video you had referred to. I bought a 2025 Ram 1500 with new motor and so far so good. Several comments on a owners forum commenting on a misfire which triggers a "check Engine" light. Had heard an "on line update" is in the works-any info on that ???
It's using an open deck, that's gonna add up to big problems before 30k miles. Also the HO model is the engine that comes with a forged crank and connecting rods. The standard has a regular crank and connecting rods
standard has forged crank and rods. HO has forged pistons rather then cast.
The Hurricane is a closed deck block. It's little brother, the 2.0L I4, came out in the 2017 Giulia, 2019 JL Wrangler and all the 4xe's.
It sounds really busy, a little more than I like. The rattle would make me go crazy. I have a Bighorn 1500 eTorque that is very quiet running and has zero vibration.
It’s the loud direct injectors… My Honda sounds the same with direct injections.
While driving, this is by far the most quiet running and smooth engine compared to the big 3 and toyota because it's a inline 6 configuration.
Ive had 3 reports from people that own them. 1 is happy 2 isn't. The 2 that isn't had issues out the gate. One blew oil all over underneath the truck. Other told me the engine failed on them at 15k. Shop that towed it in said alot of cheap part and shortcuts were taken, especially the 2 turbo. This is why I wait 3 or so years to get a new style engine.
High pressure direct injectors are noisy as hell. I hate that they kinda ruin the better noises that engines make.
Curious if this platform carries over a lot of design from the Alfa v6 2.9's in the Quads.
I am curios to know, why the I6 (with Turbos) is less efficient in the city compared to the V8. Surprises me. Is there a logical explanation, or is this probably caused by enforced emission requirements which are choking down the efficiency?
What’s the difference physically between the High output ecoboost and the standard 3.5 ecoboost
H.O
-More hp(510-550hp from factory but is model dependent with hp)
-H.O can only take premium(S.O can take reg gas)
-Is a I6
-comes DI only unlike the ecoboost coming DI and PI recently
-has a closed deck block unlike the ecoboosts open deck block.
-comes with forged internals and crank(S.O doesn't have this unfortunately).
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 what was the statement, bullet point under the one about fuel, I didn’t understand it
Curious about how long the aluminum pistons will last.
Every Chevy LS based truck engine ever made comes from the factory with aluminum pistons. Most of the Corvettes and Camaros as well. Same with most Coyotee based V8's. They all hold up fine under heavy boost when they have proper ring gap and are tuned correctly.
Most all passenger vehicle pistons are aluminum dude. Have been for decades.
Not sure I've ever seen a steel piston in a gas engine. The new HO powerstroke I believe uses them. Outside of that steel pistons, at least the crowns, are typically industrial applications.
What's the compression ratio for the Hurricane? You mentioned Knock, but a NA engine would ideally run at higher a higher compression ratio meaning knock is more important to manage
I was told the water after cooler results in shorter distance from turbo to intake resulting in quicker boost
Correct, much quicker response time and air to water is more efficient (despite what he said).
My son who recently traded his 2016 Mustang GT for a 2023 BMW X5 plug in hybrid which he really likes flew from CA to help his Mom and sisters family after Helene who live close to Asheville rented a 2025 Ram Rebel with the Hurricane engine. He loves it so much that he's now planning to trade his BMW for a new Ram Rebel.
The fact that the cylinder liner are treated with a specialized process only an OEM has access to, tells me that the engine blocks are throw away because no machine shop will be able to re-bore and hone these. Good job Stelantis.
You can install press-in cast iron liners in engines with proprietary cylinder liner coatings. Kind of expensive but doable
NO need to rebore what's your point....pray tell.
My 22 F150 3.5 doesn’t have a plastic oil pan🤷🏻♂️. My previous 18 F150 with the 5.0 did though.
Nicely done! Very informative.
What weight oil does it use?
0W-20
I think, it’s nice to have opinions from experts like you.
Having the wastegates, is it not a vgt?
But does it have an oil dipstick?
But, does it sound as good as my 5.7l on cold start? No. 😊 a few things... 1) with the shake up at the top, it sounds like a v8 may be coming back. 2) I don't understand the push from the EPA to go to these turbo 6's that require 91 octane and get the same or worse real world mpg as my 5.7l hemi. All that does is cost me more money at the pump! 3) 100% agree with the inline 6. 4.0l, anyone? Bulletproof. Hopefully they took some notes! Great video as always, thanks for all the great detail.
isnt the hurricane engine just the jeep 2.0L with two more cylinders?
Basically,just with a closed deck block,forged internals and crank(H.O version has this but not the S.O),and another turbo.
Yes they are related, same deck height and bore spacing. The 2.0L has been pretty good so far.
Nice first review. I am looking to replace my 2019 Chevrolet 1500 5.3 8-speed next year and am starting to shop around. I am intrigued by the Ford 2.7. It really drives nicely and has impressive power and throttle response. I have yet to try out the Chevy 2.7 or the 3.0 diesel for that matter but intend to soon. I wasn't even considering a Ram but maybe I will try out the new engine when one hits the lot near me. I am most interested in which one is just plain reliable for the long haul. I may just end up with another 5.3 but the 10 speed this time. I did notice that both Ford and Chevy limit the trim levels in which the 2.7 engines are available for some reason. And chevy keeps the 8-speed behind the 2.7 four for some reason. I will be interested to see what negatives you find with the Stelantis 3.0 Hurricane engine and if possible compare all three small displacement turbo engines.
the 2.7L ecoboost is a fantastic turbo engine option. very very strong build and design. I believe its the only engine with a compact graphite Iron block. I think the I-6 has more natural advantages then a V6 but ford build that engine well. completely different then the 3.5L ecoboost. the 3L duramax is also a pretty nice engine.
If it were me personally I would wait on the Hurricane for a year or 2 and just see how they react in the hands of real owners. making sure they are actually reliable.
So a Jeep Wagoneer is considered a RAM 1500 in Ontario, Canada?
no but the wagoneer is built on the Ram 1500 chasis.
@@ohioguy4326 still not a pickup truck no matter how you look at it.
Price on your fuel economy comparison the hemi was on more expensive mid grade fuel and the I6 was on regular grade. That will add up.
Does that come with the Chrysler standard plastic oil / water cooler that always leaks?
Cant wait for this engine in a Wrangler…
Seriously it will bring back the 4.0 nostalgia
I do worry about direct injection, plus where's my dipstick
. Plus truck prices, I think I'll keep my 2015 Hemi for a while. Looking forwards to the next videos.
Very good points, they are also major to me. Besides these major points, I am looking forward to the I6 in general, because as he mentioned, the engine design (independent from Dodge) has many advantages, but yes: It's lacking the "balls" from a V8, but therefor it's just smooth.
Bet the fords will be the most reliable especially the 2.7. No dipstick is no bueno as well
Probably tons of the 2.7 Ford's with over 300k miles
LMAO you already lost that bet!...
@@joatmon1857to be fare I've been hearing good things about the 2.7 so much so I'm contemplating getting one even though I really want the 5.0
@@rshearn Ford added cylinder deactivation and a belt driven oil pump to the 5.0 in 2021. You will probably be better off with the 2.7, unless you are buying used pre 2021.
I have the 2.7 it’s great I have about 100k on it so far. I change the oil every 5k full synthetic.
On the surface it looks good, sounds weird though. Time will tell!! I drove the hurricane for 2 weeks and the thing that bothered me was only 21 psi oil pressure at 70 mph, my 5.7 runs 52 psi at 70 mph
2 stage oil pump on newer engines, less pumping loss. Above 3k rpm it switches to higher stage.
Must driving on gravel roads a lot for engine to be that dirty? I wish car manufacturers would put a lot of splash guards underneath to block road grime out of engine area. It does hurt a little on cooling but worth in my opinion
nice to have a inline-6 motor in a pickup truck. my only gripe is how much production Stellantis is moving to Mexico (which will be all at some point & most, as of right now)
Seems like most American market trucks are built in Mexico. Don’t think ford has any Mexican trucks though
Mexico is the new China we have to get used to it. Cheap slave labor.
Mexico is becoming too expensive. They are moving production to Brazil. Stellantis Vehicles have heritage in certain countries, but they prefer to be assembling in Poland and Brazil right now.
The vehicles with the Hurricane Motor are all USA for right now. The Ram 1500 in Sterling Heights and the Wagoneer in Warren. They are adding the Durango and Grand Cherokee at Jefferson. The Charger will be changing that adding Brampton in Canada.
Saltillo was making the Hemis so no real change to making the Hurricane.
Time will tell with this design. My interest might cause some concern. I’m interested in the create version of this engine…for my old Chevy truck. The H.O. coupled with a T56 Magnum? That seems like it would be a great daily driver with, or without, a load in the truck. In truth, I just want the power if I need it. Most crate engines surpass the original 350 output by far. This engine also has an estimated dry weight that is way lower than a V8 or a diesel. If I can pull decent mileage? That would be great.
It would be very interesting and entertaining to watch the engine data log’s along side the towing loop videos that you do with these trucks.
But I can’t even check my own oil level. Should I really trust sensors to tell me oil level? Little scary to me. I’m an oil nerd… so this is gonna take a while to get used to an engine with no oil dipstick where I can physically see my oil
A non-issue in my mind. Maybe paying a little extra attention when you do your own oil changes to see if everything matches to what the vehicle says, but after that I bet you’ll forget to worry.
@@ALMX5DP ... until the warning light fails and you don't know you're low on oil until it's too late and wipe out an expensive engine that Ram won't warranty > > > all because some idiot engineer/ bean counter saved a few pennies by removing a dipstick.
@@hmdwn you sound so certain of a failure at the most inopportune time, I presume you also believe if/when that occurs (sensor “failing”) there will be no indication made to the driver? Any foundation for this colorful opinion of yours?
the no Dip stick is a mistake in my opinion.
I have owned BMWs with oil sensors. There are several advantages with the upgrade!
1. 99% of drivers do not check their oil ever.
2. If the sensor fails, you will have an error message.
3. Driver will be alerted if oil is low!
4. Sensor works while driving and saves many engines from blowing up due to a rock to the oil pan or an oil cooler system leak.
5. Saves the OEM big time on warranty claims. They can tell if you ran without enough oil. Costs us less not paying for others mistakes.
6. Easier to catch fuel dilution caused by improper fuel injection.
What’s not to like? You can still smell the oil fill tube if you possess mad skills and you can determine if there are issues with the oil.
Just took a gamble on a Ram 1500 with the high output..
Have not taken delivery yet..
I have been driving Hemi's for many years and I never drove one that got above 17 mpgs.
You’re doing it wrong
I sometimes get 18 with a tail wing going downhill...in eco lol
@@joseeduardo4327 Driving the speed limit is now somehow wrong?
I've been getting 19-21 combined MPG consistently with my 5.7L etorque RAM 1500. I've noticed Shell gives me better mileage than most other stations near me. Make sure to use mid grade if you aren't already. Regular brings the mpg way down.
@@BeRyan8923I always told family members & friends that shell’s formula gives better gas mileage especially on the highways. I recently got 24mpg on shell mid grade gas, 2hrs drive with cruise control set @70mph and gears manually selected to +8 to force all V8 cylinders working (hate eco mode).
Love your videos, however, this sounds like a feel good video for the people that have to now buy them. Long live the Hemi.
Will they offer this I6 non-turbo?
I myself can't wait for folks to start tuning these. I'm curious how much boost the spray in liners will hold. I6 engines have always held a spot in my heart.