Ford should comeback with a modern version of their good old inline 6 4.9 liters with overhead cams and a turbo it would probably eat alive anything else !Nice review.
I’m not a ford guy but the old 300 I6 was an absolute beast of an engine, my buddy beat the snot out of one in high school then sold it to the local marina, I still see that thing at the boat ramp
No one ever discusses this so I'll spill it out; 3 liters is just way too small for a very big heavy truck trying to do truck things. Sure it makes power! But when you ask a small engine to push around that much weight (especially when hauling or towing), mpg and reliability are going out the window. This engine needs to be WAY over 4 liters for that amount of work. The 3L would be a great engine for midsize truck, not a 1/2 ton.
I would tend to agree as I'm still rocking my 2001 5.9 Cummins. I wouldn't mind seeing a 4L similar to the time tested jeep 4L. Or a 5L. I guess time will tell.
you are right, the Ford 4.9 straight six 300 cubic inch engine was what they should have tried to do. This Ford engine was indestructible and non-turbo. Used in even the F-250. It pulled like a tractor and had no Timing chains or Belts, gear driven and bullet proof.
Dude I love how you review and explain it’s so simple and you make it interesting buddy just keep doing what you are doing and love the texts in the videos 💯 lots of love from Alberta !
Yeah man. I have a Canyon AT4X AEV and loooove the engine. Very nice. The 2.7 is a little mule. I'm very skeptical about this new i6 from ram. They have never been great with complex electronics. I'd buy one if it had a single turbo. I wish it had the iron cylinder liners my truck has. Great content bud. Happy holidays!
I love the channel and was looking forward to this engine in this platform. I can't wait for the towing and fuel economy loops. Keep up the great work!
Please add an oil dip stick. That’s how I quickly pull oil to send to be tested. Also it’s how I look at the color and smell… Finally I’d be happier with higher fuel mileage and lower power as long as I could hit 0-60 with passengers at a safe merging speed. To me 0-60 in 12-14 seconds is fine. In a half ton truck I’m fine with a 8000 tow and 1800 payload. I love the sound of my current truck, 2007 king ranch F-150 with 5.4 3v Here is what I wish Ram had done. Completely new design small displacement v-8 normal aspiration. Also would like a hybrid on the V-8 with 30 miles battery only. That would give most drivers no need to burn gasoline 80% of the time.
It's a Volvo supplied engine with Mopar insight. The lack of a dipstick for the oil is very European, it uses a sonar sensor bolted on the bottom of the pan. In order to properly do an oil pump on this, you have to drop the transmission. Hard to say how these will hold up long term. Also, do not fill these up with the full 7qt of 0w20 oil, everything will tell you it's over filled. 6.8qt or about the 6.5L mark on some oil jugs will be well within the safe range.
Your not going to be able to do anything anyways if you do find fuel in the oil. It's not like your going to adjust your fuel mix. The fact is... It's modern day. Not 1983. The engine uses precise fuel management and mixtures. Your nose ain't going to figure shit out
I'm grateful that Ford continues to offer their customers choice. Seems like Ram could at least allow a N/A or single turbo option for those of us that prefer maximum reliability.
I believe their idea is to use that 3.6L V6 as their reliability option, but its a pretty gutless engine. My opinion is Ford is making the best half-tons right now due to their drivetrain reliability and options. I haven't been impressed with GM's v8s with the cylinder deactivation in them, but that baby duramax is pretty cool
Staright 6 is all about reliability. A NA V8 is very complex, especially in the heads. Thats why they ate camshafts and lifters. NA engines have a lot of stress.
@@James-t3c The 5.7 ate cam shafts and lifters because if its Mopar its subpar. Just like how this 'super reliable' I6 cant' make it 40K before the thermostat shits the bed.
I love the straight 6 design. It’s inherently balanced as opposed to a V6 configuration. I like this engine in the ram too. Why not go to 3.5L like ford and a 3.4L like Toyota? More Cubes mean more power. Add more stroke for the additional cubes, more torque. I expected Ram to make a 3.0L straight 6 diesel designed in house. Maybe they will one day if a diesel friendly administration makes it into White House.
Really the I6 is just their overbuilt hurricane 2.0L I4 with 2 more cylinders with a closed deck design. The H.O has more power because of it having forged both internals and crank with a low compression ratio.
there is a stoichiometric sweet spot for combusting air and gasoline under boost at around 500 ml's per cylinder. There is a reason nearly every V6 is between 2.8 and 3.5 litres.
I agree that waiting a couple of years for the bugs to be worked out is a good idea. No dipstick? There’s two sides to this. When I met my wife she was attending medical school and driving a Geo Tracker. It turns out that with 35,000 miles on the vehicle, she had never had the oil changed because she didn’t know she was supposed to. It may sound funny, but there are a lot of people that lack that knowledge. Maybe this could be a good thing for them.
How are high pressure fuel pumps on a gas engine with water in the fuel? Do they have fuel / water separators or is this not a factor on a gas engine? Chrysler loves to use plastic cooling components that always fail. Just look at their 3.6. The fix is an after market aluminum oil cooler.
I've never heard of it being an issue on gasoline HPFP's. I believe diesel and water are much closer in density so they tend to stay mixed, where as gasoline and water separate quickly because gasoline is only 70% the density of water. Water settles in the gas tank and is removed(since the pump feeds from the low point of the tank) before large quantities could accumulate.
@@logantcooper6I’m curious too. I’ve been able to find a couple threads about issues people have had, but most of those were software issues? Nothing mechanical yet, and software issues don’t scare me. Especially not on a engine this new, and in the Wagoneer
@@logantcooper6electrical mainly. There's a video from tow truck Dustin someone's grand wagoneer broke down the same day a guy drove it off the lot LOL
Based solely off of the pictures seen of the engine in these videos, my bet is that they will prove to be reliable in the long run. Yeah, they will have to change their thermostat addition/manufacture but that is a very addressable thing to do and compared to Toyota's approach and Ford's 3.5 ecoboost when it first came out, it is pretty damn good. Or, at the very least, less bad. :) Also, I am really not bothered by the lack of dipstick; fuel tanks have used electronic meters for years and been very, very reliable. I am excited to see my oil levels as I like to be aggressive with my oil changes. Plus, RAM is right - this will mean more people actually doing oil changes and as a result I bet Ford, Chevy, GM, Toyota all follow suit.
I mean I guess as a mechanic having a dip stick is just so nice and simple when doing your own oil change but most people won't be. I hope this engine is a success.
As of now we do not know what major problems this engine will have if any. But what we do know for sure is that the hemi was FAR from perfect. In my opinion Ram did a good thing ditching the hemi. Think about it the hemi was 21 years old and still had cam and lifter problems and not to mention the annoying exhaust manifold issue.
I prefer simple reliable engines with moderate power. My first pickup that I purchased with my own money was a 1983 Ford F-150. Actually to be honest, my dad purchased because I had to drive from our ranch to junior high and high school every school day. Our ranch was 80 miles away from Artesia NM. Our elementary school was called Penasco Elementary. It was 25 miles from our home and had 3 teachers who lived at the school and taught k-2, 3rd-5th and 6th-8th. There were approximately 18-22 kids every year I attended. Once we graduated from 8th grade we had two choices. To drive to Weed (yep that’s the name) NM about 50 miles in the Lincoln national forest and attend a junior high/high school with about 35 kids or drive a better safer straighter road 80 miles to Artesia. So Dad made me a deal. He bought the new F-150 4x4 and I cut firewood 3 months a year and then on Saturdays during school when I could. From 1982 to end of summer 1985, I cut 2000 cords of wood and also managed a crew of 10 men who cut, split and loaded another 3000 cords of wood. I also worked for free during branding, marking, shearing, shipping seasons for our livestock. Anyway by the time I finished 2 years of college that 1983 pickup had 210,000 miles on it. Here’s the interesting thing about the pickup. It had a 4-speed manual transmission and an Inline normally aspirated 300 ci. 6 cylinder. As soon as I got the truck I installed a 5.5” Skyjacker lift kit along with 36” mud tires (they looked a lot like Toyo MT’s) all bias ply. Anyway we installed a 45 gallon propane tank in the back and I ran both gasoline and propane. I sold the truck in 1987 at auction. It looked brand new as I had really taken care of it. It was a bid with no backing out to the winning bid. I got $7500 dollars which was amazing considering when it was brand new it only cost $11900 with tax title and license. That engine never had a single issue. It turned the 36” tires just fine with 4:10 gears. Believe it or not, I drove it to California (900 miles one way), to visit grandparents several times and also drove it home from college once a month (200 miles one way). On the highway at 60 mph (speed limit was 55 mph back then) averaged 22 mpg on propane and 25 mpg on gasoline. Before pain lifted the truck, I had to work on my own time and save up about $3200 to buy the wheels, lift, ring gears/pinions, and a roll cage. I installed everything myself. So it took about 1-year to get the lift installed. During that time the pickup got 28-30 mpg on gasoline and 25-27 using propane at 55-60 mph on level roads. I think inline 6 is a great design. I just love the quiet rumble of a V-8 (I’ve never installed loud exhaust).
high stroke to bore ratio doesn't really impact knocking, but it does give you a better combustion chamber geometry (closer to spherical) which leads to less heat transfer into the block during compression, which is what actually improves efficiency.
@@RohanSanjith sure. short stroke tends to work better for higher RPMs. Long stroke is more torquey and more efficient. there's also dimension constraints; if your bores are huge your v8 won't fit in a corvette
The thermostat problems at 30k has told me that they didn't do much endurance testing. (and imagine what will pop up at 75k) Yes, Alex...it is way complicated. imho the best engine on the market (for 1500 trucks) is still the GM 5.3 or 6.2. Minus those stupid junk collapsible lifters. great video, friend 🙂
I expect there will be electrical problems, not major ones. But the engine block looks strong. Because inline 6 cylinder. Fear of turbos but if they use the same turbo technology as the Cummins I think we will be Excellent but we have to see
Your comparison between the duramax and the hurricane regarding the number of turbos isnt a great comparison. 1. The diesel has no throttle so it can still be flowing a lot of air mass at low RPM to help spool the turbo. Gasoline direct injected engines are using the throttle plate to control air flow and therefore exhaust mass is limited until you hit the gas and the throttle opens up. 2. The duramax turbo is a VNT or variable A/R which means it can get the exhaust velocity up high even at low RPM. High exhaust velocity means its hitting the turbine at high speed and can spool quickly. VNT tech is very rare on gas engines. I believe Porsche uses them on the 911 Turbo. 3. Feeding 3 cylinders into a single turbo means there will be 3 distinct exhaust pulses entering the turbine. This effectively gives the engine the same advantage as you would get from having a dual volute or twin scroll turbo. Ford and Toyota achieves the same thing by having two banks of 3 cylinders feeding each turbo. Feeding all 6 cylinders into one turbo is not so efficient, especially when the manifold runners wouldnt be equal length. Trying to feed 6 cylinders into a single turbo on a gas engine is probably gunna lead to some very long runners and, since the runners are likely incorporated into the head, may be close to impossible.
When I first heard about the i6 hurricane engine, I was really interested, but the more I learned about it, the less I even want to ever deal with it. Throw in the over use of plastic and thermostat issues, Stellantis has some work to do on revising it. Hopefully this isn't the case, but it could turn out to be like the eco diesel (pre emissions "fix"), good until it's not, and when it's not, self-grenade'ing levels of bad.
I like the hurricane on paper to a point.. ive leased 3 5.7 RAMs..my 3rd is about to go back at end of lease in a few weeks.. my dealers have tried everything to get me to buy a new one with the hurricane.. I just dont dig it.. it sounds whimpy... it looks wimpy when looking at its metal mass in comparion to a 5.7.. complexity is a part of all engines these days.. the 5.7s had the cylinder cut out ECO nodes.. I just cant help but wonder under heavy load day in and day out how a small displacement engine running high cylinder pressures on small journals.. how will it play out in terms of wear? my other issue is a friend of mine that has a grand wagoneer which is on its second engine.. his first ate a turbo at 30k.. his new one is setting boost codes now at about 20K..
@@JK-qe6qq Ok, well, since you have no idea, turbos are really not a major failure point in these engines. They routinely last 100's of thousands of miles. And even if they were, they are cheap. A 3.5L Ecoboost turbo is about $400 and is very easy to change. Certainly no worse than changing manifolds or bad lifters on a hemi🤣
I just got a new Laramie pack 2. No one will understand the power till they ride one. I could give a damn about the lack of pipe sounds like the Hemi. Doesn't phase me at all. This truck is the best ride by far compare to Ford, GMC and Tundra. Hands down. Superb ride, very smooth, almost zero vibes at any speeds. Its an Escalade with a bed. I leased it with the option of a buyout, if she will be good to me. Time will tell.
I have read that Chrysler put in a cast crank, not a forged crank, and also cast rods and pistons. IF TRUE, and in conjunction with 20 pounds boost on the standard engine and even more boost on the high-performance engine, they are going out of their way to solicit some expensive broken parts. Can you confirm for us, one way or the other, if this is true.
Alex seemed like a nice truck but I'm more interested in the other trucks that you reviewed. not too long ago is 3.5, 2.7,5.3 Chevy, 6.2 Chevy, and Dodge,5.7 hemi truck. but out of all those trucks, in your opinion, what will be the most dependable longest lasting truck? To haul a travel trailer, 4,500 pounds. Occasionally, and firewood and whatnot like A truck should be used. Not for being like a minivan or SUV for home kids around.Which one will last longer? They all seem to have their problems. Chevy and Dodge have cam lifter issues Ford has Issue with the valves on the 2.7, cam tensioners on the 3.5, so I was wanting to know out of all those trucks Back to 2015, even which would be the most dependable longest lasting for a regular average joe like me.
Can you look into the check engine light and misfiring that's being reported on 5thgenrams forum? Lot of reports of issues like this, no real fix yet that I can see.
I believe due to the dual turbo setup the use an oil level sensor instead of dip stick is cause the turbo's will malfunction and start pushing oil into the intake
Remember, it isnt brand brand new. Its Been out a couple years at Jeep. Plus with the amazing discounts you can get on RAM right now (17K off msrp on a Big Horn) we ended up with a new one and love it so far. Except for being able to sniff smell taste and touch the oil on the dipstick. What are we making out with these things? That part doesn't bother me at all.
@tylerkraemer it has built in redundancies so is safe and honestly has been so nice. Never have to pop the hood, can check the oil every single day from the comfort of the driver's seat. I get it, it bucks the norm especially for us older cats. And maybe it's too far of a bridge for some folks even in light of the other cajillion things that are monitored by electronics. That's a shame though, because this truck is smoother, faster, quieter, best ride, etc out of the other 1/2 ton varieties IMO and that's a shame to miss all that over something so trivial.
Algo para comentar: motores modernos son eficientes y ecológicos pero complejos y eso vale para todos no solo para este en particular. El sonido apagado también está ligado a las nuevas normativas, pero ya saldrá algo after market para los que les guste el espectáculo. Por último no entiendo la comparación con el Duramax, lo único que comparten es la arquitectura 6L 3.0 pero es diesel y el Hurricane es gasolina
OH! Dip stick! Is there a cartridge filter and extraction connection on top so I could vacuum oil the oil and swap the filter on the top side? Or am I forced to roll around on a creeper, old school?
@@gomerpyle7721 that’s the best part of my Pentastar… pull the dipstick, put the vacuum on her, while the oils coming out, swap filters. By the time her pans empty, I’m ready to refill the oil. 15 minutes and I’m done… no fuss, no mess.
He says “3 cylinders” in the beginning and wrong about that ecoboost. Only thing you got right was that open deck. But the ecoboost is easier to work on. Ecoboost still out run that mod for mod
The missing oil dipstick is a big one. I always check my oil in my 5.7 hemi for the manual check of level and the color. I do not trust the "oil life" too much reliance on a sensor going wrong. The people who buys these rams are the test market in the real world applications.
I guess I am mixed. Really a half ton pick up is for relatively light towing and loads. If you are serious, then you are going to use at least a 3/4 ton.
Hey Alex when I clicked on your video I got a add for alcohol it was a whiskey add. I was listening to a podcast with Cleetus McFarland and he said that he blocked alcohol and gambling adds and his add rates when up. Just a heads up I thought you would like to know. Update I clicked you video again to comment and I got the same alcohol add.
Why don't they run compounds instead of twin turbos? I had compounds in a 5.9 Cummins. That thing moved. As far as that motor goes, it won't matter unless they put them in 2500's or 3500's.
@@gncc600 I’m old school. Why let electronics (which are prone to failure) replace something that is simple and failure proof? Checking your oil level is pretty simple.
I want to know how reliable it is. My 3.6 pentascrap has not been reliable at all. I do however have an old 4.0 that has 226,000 miles that has been very good. These are in Jeeps.
@@GettysGarage more natural torque without getting into the boost, would have been smooth, very torquey, just maybe it would be a few less hp and have a bit of lag.
What an incredible risky move for the RAM brand to go with the SST I6. Market share for the brand is very low, and going with a brand new I6 could devastate the 1500 especially IF it turns out to have reliability issues. The incredible sound of the HEMI was a selling point for many and now the new SST exhaust note reminds me of a Japanese mini van mixed with a sac of broken sewing machines. I bet many salespeople will hold off on letting customers start up the truck… yes the power output is impressive. And inside I’m sure the sound is liveable. But many of the truck owners who just don’t care about the sound a truck makes, well… they are buying electric trucks anyways… I really hope RAM succeeds with this new line of motors, but they MUST rework the exhaust signature. I loved my 3500 Cummins inline 6. The sound is one of the best truck engine sounds on the planet. The SST I6 is exactly the opposite. Yes I’m kicking a dead horse… Oh and Alex, word of caution. Blur the speedometer when running your acceleration tests, at least once past limit. And might want to blur out plates. Just a thought. Keep up the vids they are top notch. Regular guy for regular peeps. Let us know if you come out to Alberta, I think you have a big fan base out here. We do luv trucks and truck content.
Manufacturers always over-think their products. Dodge should have just single turbo charged a 5.7 Hemi and called it a day. Same thind with GM. 5.3 LT with a single turbo in a silverado frombthe factory with a warranty. Id buy one instantly.
Huh, thanks for the sound comparison with the Hemi. Not gonna lie, that I-6 doesn't sound great, and I'm normally a sucker for the sound of an I-6, like the old GM 4.2 from the 2000's which I absolutely loved. I wonder if the Ram just has a bad exhaust system design from an auditory perspective?
@@Jay-me7gw Ah that would make sense. The GM 4.2L I-6 was non-turbo and sounded great mechanically and had a good exhaust note too. The BMW B58 also sounds great in my opinion and it is a turbo.
@@s.b.2088could be similar to S55/s58s case where bmw forgot how to put proper exhausts on their cars. Other than that,I'm interested in the H.O. hurricane and see what kind of power they make,dodge said they are 1000hp capable,top of it having forged internals and crank and being very similar to the S58 in more ways than one,so I'm curious to see how it does with power and etc despite its issues.
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This has become my new favorite channel.
Thank you sir!
Those damn leaves are killing me.
My OCD is off the charts with the leaves!!!! He is one of my favorite channels but DAMN!!!
Ford should comeback with a modern version of their good old inline 6 4.9 liters with overhead cams and a turbo it would probably eat alive anything else !Nice review.
Ford should take note!
100% imo too!
@@davidlefranc6240 ok boomer
@@gncc600you may say ok boomer but those old ford straight 6s were phenomenal engines, far better than anything today
I’m not a ford guy but the old 300 I6 was an absolute beast of an engine, my buddy beat the snot out of one in high school then sold it to the local marina, I still see that thing at the boat ramp
No one ever discusses this so I'll spill it out; 3 liters is just way too small for a very big heavy truck trying to do truck things. Sure it makes power! But when you ask a small engine to push around that much weight (especially when hauling or towing), mpg and reliability are going out the window. This engine needs to be WAY over 4 liters for that amount of work. The 3L would be a great engine for midsize truck, not a 1/2 ton.
I would tend to agree as I'm still rocking my 2001 5.9 Cummins. I wouldn't mind seeing a 4L similar to the time tested jeep 4L. Or a 5L. I guess time will tell.
you are right, the Ford 4.9 straight six 300 cubic inch engine was what they should have tried to do. This Ford engine was indestructible and non-turbo. Used in even the F-250. It pulled like a tractor and had no Timing chains or Belts, gear driven and bullet proof.
Excellent review! With the Stellantis problems, caution is prudent for 2 years as I had the Ecodiesel in 2016 and took a bath on depreciation!
I don’t care how much power it makes I’ll NEVER CALL HIM DAD EVEN IF THERES A FIRE
I used to smoke pot with the 3.0 liter hurricane.
No power tools Dale
No dipstick new v6 dodge ram no wonder going bank rupt 2000 v10 dually how roll blew diesel up v10 viper motor in it halls butt
V6 no dipstick computer tells u how much oil has
😮 better buy extended warranty 7 yr 100 thousands miles warranty maybe 5 yrs 100000 mile warranty powering train
Dude I love how you review and explain it’s so simple and you make it interesting buddy just keep doing what you are doing and love the texts in the videos 💯 lots of love from Alberta !
Hopefully it's a good engine, soo far my 5.7 has 121k miles and no issues, my 6.4 has 33k miles and it just purs
It isn't
@@davidmopar8446 what year is your 5.7?
@@joshblubaugh6050 2014
@@atg1338straight 6 is the most iconic design engine design. Plus it’s closed deck. Easier to work on than the complicated V8.
@@atg1338you have one?
Yep, let’s give it a couple years!
exactly my thinking.
As always, an understandable and cohesive review that makes sense.
Yeah man. I have a Canyon AT4X AEV and loooove the engine. Very nice. The 2.7 is a little mule. I'm very skeptical about this new i6 from ram. They have never been great with complex electronics. I'd buy one if it had a single turbo. I wish it had the iron cylinder liners my truck has. Great content bud. Happy holidays!
It's going to be the nail in the coffin.
can't wait for Towing Video with duramax LZO 3l diesel. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This.
Me neither!
I love the channel and was looking forward to this engine in this platform. I can't wait for the towing and fuel economy loops. Keep up the great work!
Always loved engines and powertrains since I was a little kid, really like learning about them, awesome channel, keep it going!
Now I have to wait for another day to see the towing loop results
Can’t wait
Please add an oil dip stick. That’s how I quickly pull oil to send to be tested. Also it’s how I look at the color and smell…
Finally I’d be happier with higher fuel mileage and lower power as long as I could hit 0-60 with passengers at a safe merging speed. To me 0-60 in 12-14 seconds is fine. In a half ton truck I’m fine with a 8000 tow and 1800 payload.
I love the sound of my current truck, 2007 king ranch F-150 with 5.4 3v
Here is what I wish Ram had done. Completely new design small displacement v-8 normal aspiration. Also would like a hybrid on the V-8 with 30 miles battery only. That would give most drivers no need to burn gasoline 80% of the time.
It's a Volvo supplied engine with Mopar insight. The lack of a dipstick for the oil is very European, it uses a sonar sensor bolted on the bottom of the pan. In order to properly do an oil pump on this, you have to drop the transmission. Hard to say how these will hold up long term. Also, do not fill these up with the full 7qt of 0w20 oil, everything will tell you it's over filled. 6.8qt or about the 6.5L mark on some oil jugs will be well within the safe range.
@@Ratkill9000 nothing made by Chrysler holds up. Why do you question this?
@@gncc600 I'm not. I work for the freaking company as a auto tech. I'm waiting to see how fast these will blow up.
A dipstick isn't just used to check oil level. You can actually look at and smell the oil for anything out of the ordinary. That's a no go for me.
Me too brother, that was a huge oversight!
Makes it easier to taste it too.
Your not going to be able to do anything anyways if you do find fuel in the oil. It's not like your going to adjust your fuel mix.
The fact is... It's modern day. Not 1983.
The engine uses precise fuel management and mixtures. Your nose ain't going to figure shit out
I'm grateful that Ford continues to offer their customers choice. Seems like Ram could at least allow a N/A or single turbo option for those of us that prefer maximum reliability.
I believe their idea is to use that 3.6L V6 as their reliability option, but its a pretty gutless engine. My opinion is Ford is making the best half-tons right now due to their drivetrain reliability and options. I haven't been impressed with GM's v8s with the cylinder deactivation in them, but that baby duramax is pretty cool
Staright 6 is all about reliability. A NA V8 is very complex, especially in the heads. Thats why they ate camshafts and lifters. NA engines have a lot of stress.
@@James-t3c The 5.7 ate cam shafts and lifters because if its Mopar its subpar.
Just like how this 'super reliable' I6 cant' make it 40K before the thermostat shits the bed.
I love the straight 6 design. It’s inherently balanced as opposed to a V6 configuration. I like this engine in the ram too. Why not go to 3.5L like ford and a 3.4L like Toyota? More Cubes mean more power. Add more stroke for the additional cubes, more torque. I expected Ram to make a 3.0L straight 6 diesel designed in house. Maybe they will one day if a diesel friendly administration makes it into White House.
Really the I6 is just their overbuilt hurricane 2.0L I4 with 2 more cylinders with a closed deck design. The H.O has more power because of it having forged both internals and crank with a low compression ratio.
there is a stoichiometric sweet spot for combusting air and gasoline under boost at around 500 ml's per cylinder. There is a reason nearly every V6 is between 2.8 and 3.5 litres.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 Closed deck is supposed to be very stout. This is a good engine. I think the eco boost is an open deck design.
Maybe like many said, add some size and only one turbo?
I agree that waiting a couple of years for the bugs to be worked out is a good idea. No dipstick? There’s two sides to this. When I met my wife she was attending medical school and driving a Geo Tracker. It turns out that with 35,000 miles on the vehicle, she had never had the oil changed because she didn’t know she was supposed to. It may sound funny, but there are a lot of people that lack that knowledge. Maybe this could be a good thing for them.
That will never be a good thing for anybody.
How are high pressure fuel pumps on a gas engine with water in the fuel? Do they have fuel / water separators or is this not a factor on a gas engine? Chrysler loves to use plastic cooling components that always fail. Just look at their 3.6. The fix is an after market aluminum oil cooler.
I've never heard of it being an issue on gasoline HPFP's. I believe diesel and water are much closer in density so they tend to stay mixed, where as gasoline and water separate quickly because gasoline is only 70% the density of water. Water settles in the gas tank and is removed(since the pump feeds from the low point of the tank) before large quantities could accumulate.
A big no. Stellantis is having a lot of issues with this in the grand wagoneer, not to mention the questionable future of stellantis as a company.
What issues?
@@logantcooper6I’m curious too. I’ve been able to find a couple threads about issues people have had, but most of those were software issues? Nothing mechanical yet, and software issues don’t scare me. Especially not on a engine this new, and in the Wagoneer
@@logantcooper6electrical mainly. There's a video from tow truck Dustin someone's grand wagoneer broke down the same day a guy drove it off the lot LOL
There have been a few issues. Not many like some are saying.
Got to jealous love fan boys of other makes....
Based solely off of the pictures seen of the engine in these videos, my bet is that they will prove to be reliable in the long run. Yeah, they will have to change their thermostat addition/manufacture but that is a very addressable thing to do and compared to Toyota's approach and Ford's 3.5 ecoboost when it first came out, it is pretty damn good. Or, at the very least, less bad. :) Also, I am really not bothered by the lack of dipstick; fuel tanks have used electronic meters for years and been very, very reliable. I am excited to see my oil levels as I like to be aggressive with my oil changes. Plus, RAM is right - this will mean more people actually doing oil changes and as a result I bet Ford, Chevy, GM, Toyota all follow suit.
I mean I guess as a mechanic having a dip stick is just so nice and simple when doing your own oil change but most people won't be. I hope this engine is a success.
A fuel meter being off won't cause a critical engine failure.
@@GettysGarage it doesn't matter, a dipstick is a requirement for all petro engines on the planet regardless of an oil sensor
Everybody with a newer vehicle already has a display that tells them to go to the dealer every 5-10,000 miles.
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As of now we do not know what major problems this engine will have if any. But what we do know for sure is that the hemi was FAR from perfect. In my opinion Ram did a good thing ditching the hemi. Think about it the hemi was 21 years old and still had cam and lifter problems and not to mention the annoying exhaust manifold issue.
If they had upgraded and modernized the hemi over the years then it likely could have stuck around but they did not.
I prefer simple reliable engines with moderate power. My first pickup that I purchased with my own money was a 1983 Ford F-150. Actually to be honest, my dad purchased because I had to drive from our ranch to junior high and high school every school day. Our ranch was 80 miles away from Artesia NM. Our elementary school was called Penasco Elementary. It was 25 miles from our home and had 3 teachers who lived at the school and taught k-2, 3rd-5th and 6th-8th. There were approximately 18-22 kids every year I attended. Once we graduated from 8th grade we had two choices. To drive to Weed (yep that’s the name) NM about 50 miles in the Lincoln national forest and attend a junior high/high school with about 35 kids or drive a better safer straighter road 80 miles to Artesia. So Dad made me a deal. He bought the new F-150 4x4 and I cut firewood 3 months a year and then on Saturdays during school when I could. From 1982 to end of summer 1985, I cut 2000 cords of wood and also managed a crew of 10 men who cut, split and loaded another 3000 cords of wood. I also worked for free during branding, marking, shearing, shipping seasons for our livestock.
Anyway by the time I finished 2 years of college that 1983 pickup had 210,000 miles on it. Here’s the interesting thing about the pickup. It had a 4-speed manual transmission and an Inline normally aspirated 300 ci. 6 cylinder. As soon as I got the truck I installed a 5.5” Skyjacker lift kit along with 36” mud tires (they looked a lot like Toyo MT’s) all bias ply. Anyway we installed a 45 gallon propane tank in the back and I ran both gasoline and propane.
I sold the truck in 1987 at auction. It looked brand new as I had really taken care of it. It was a bid with no backing out to the winning bid. I got $7500 dollars which was amazing considering when it was brand new it only cost $11900 with tax title and license.
That engine never had a single issue. It turned the 36” tires just fine with 4:10 gears.
Believe it or not, I drove it to California (900 miles one way), to visit grandparents several times and also drove it home from college once a month (200 miles one way). On the highway at 60 mph (speed limit was 55 mph back then) averaged 22 mpg on propane and 25 mpg on gasoline. Before pain lifted the truck, I had to work on my own time and save up about $3200 to buy the wheels, lift, ring gears/pinions, and a roll cage. I installed everything myself. So it took about 1-year to get the lift installed. During that time the pickup got 28-30 mpg on gasoline and 25-27 using propane at 55-60 mph on level roads.
I think inline 6 is a great design. I just love the quiet rumble of a V-8 (I’ve never installed loud exhaust).
Just not having a dip stick alone, I'll never spend my hard earned $$$ sad because I had high hopes with this new "hurricane" motor, I
high stroke to bore ratio doesn't really impact knocking, but it does give you a better combustion chamber geometry (closer to spherical) which leads to less heat transfer into the block during compression, which is what actually improves efficiency.
Many American V8s came with short stroke design.
@@RohanSanjith sure. short stroke tends to work better for higher RPMs. Long stroke is more torquey and more efficient. there's also dimension constraints; if your bores are huge your v8 won't fit in a corvette
Great video Alex.
Always enjoy the in depth info you provide.
The thermostat problems at 30k has told me that they didn't do much endurance testing. (and imagine what will pop up at 75k)
Yes, Alex...it is way complicated.
imho the best engine on the market (for 1500 trucks) is still the GM 5.3 or 6.2.
Minus those stupid junk collapsible lifters.
great video, friend 🙂
Uh well that’s a serious problem.
@@fjoco1 tbf, none will last 100k
and that is sad
I’d argue the 5.0 is currently the best 1500 engine on the market
GM v8’s in the 1500 segment are trash. The 5.0 coyote is far superior and has the track record to prove it.
@@tylersimpson3512 probably
The problem it is in a Ford.
I expect there will be electrical problems, not major ones. But the engine block looks strong. Because inline 6 cylinder. Fear of turbos but if they use the same turbo technology as the Cummins I think we will be Excellent but we have to see
Your comparison between the duramax and the hurricane regarding the number of turbos isnt a great comparison.
1. The diesel has no throttle so it can still be flowing a lot of air mass at low RPM to help spool the turbo. Gasoline direct injected engines are using the throttle plate to control air flow and therefore exhaust mass is limited until you hit the gas and the throttle opens up.
2. The duramax turbo is a VNT or variable A/R which means it can get the exhaust velocity up high even at low RPM. High exhaust velocity means its hitting the turbine at high speed and can spool quickly. VNT tech is very rare on gas engines. I believe Porsche uses them on the 911 Turbo.
3. Feeding 3 cylinders into a single turbo means there will be 3 distinct exhaust pulses entering the turbine. This effectively gives the engine the same advantage as you would get from having a dual volute or twin scroll turbo. Ford and Toyota achieves the same thing by having two banks of 3 cylinders feeding each turbo. Feeding all 6 cylinders into one turbo is not so efficient, especially when the manifold runners wouldnt be equal length.
Trying to feed 6 cylinders into a single turbo on a gas engine is probably gunna lead to some very long runners and, since the runners are likely incorporated into the head, may be close to impossible.
When I first heard about the i6 hurricane engine, I was really interested, but the more I learned about it, the less I even want to ever deal with it. Throw in the over use of plastic and thermostat issues, Stellantis has some work to do on revising it. Hopefully this isn't the case, but it could turn out to be like the eco diesel (pre emissions "fix"), good until it's not, and when it's not, self-grenade'ing levels of bad.
5.7 all the way baby
Any day everyday
look forward to all your reviews!
I like the hurricane on paper to a point.. ive leased 3 5.7 RAMs..my 3rd is about to go back at end of lease in a few weeks.. my dealers have tried everything to get me to buy a new one with the hurricane.. I just dont dig it.. it sounds whimpy... it looks wimpy when looking at its metal mass in comparion to a 5.7.. complexity is a part of all engines these days.. the 5.7s had the cylinder cut out ECO nodes.. I just cant help but wonder under heavy load day in and day out how a small displacement engine running high cylinder pressures on small journals.. how will it play out in terms of wear? my other issue is a friend of mine that has a grand wagoneer which is on its second engine.. his first ate a turbo at 30k.. his new one is setting boost codes now at about 20K..
Europe has used high strung turbo engines for decades without issues with journals or bearings.
Hurricane winner! Way better than 3.0 duramax!!
I’d be willing to bet you the duramax pulls better and of course is cheaper on fuel.
Higher HP + Better Mpg = Increased Complexity.
I love the growl of the V8.... I dont like my wallet screaming bloody murder to fill up the tank.
I’m also concerned from a reliability standpoint, life of the turbos. How long will they last.
Like any other gas turbo engine!!
@@JK-qe6qq So a long time?
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Don’t know all I’ve ever had in trucks are V8’s
Don’t want any 6 cylinder turbos!!
@@JK-qe6qq Ok, well, since you have no idea, turbos are really not a major failure point in these engines. They routinely last 100's of thousands of miles.
And even if they were, they are cheap. A 3.5L Ecoboost turbo is about $400 and is very easy to change. Certainly no worse than changing manifolds or bad lifters on a hemi🤣
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Been waiting for this review.
I think a lot of these manufacturers are going to have to step up and offer 100,000+ mile warranty to start selling units
This right here! They won't though because then they wouldnt be able to fleece you into buying one of their extended ones.
Que belleza de Camioneta 😍 RAM es RAM... Son las mejores Camionetas del mercado automotriz
Definitivamente las más problemáticas jajaja agárrate una coyote v8 F150 o una Tundra V8 y les dan mil vueltas a esta
Do you have a spreadsheet of each trucks fuel economy whilst towing?
I just got a new Laramie pack 2. No one will understand the power till they ride one. I could give a damn about the lack of pipe sounds like the Hemi. Doesn't phase me at all. This truck is the best ride by far compare to Ford, GMC and Tundra. Hands down. Superb ride, very smooth, almost zero vibes at any speeds. Its an Escalade with a bed. I leased it with the option of a buyout, if she will be good to me. Time will tell.
I have read that Chrysler put in a cast crank, not a forged crank, and also cast rods and pistons. IF TRUE, and in conjunction with 20 pounds boost on the standard engine and even more boost on the high-performance engine, they are going out of their way to solicit some expensive broken parts. Can you confirm for us, one way or the other, if this is true.
Just bought one, so far i like it way more than my Ram with the 5.7. Fingers crossed.
Why do some posts say it’s an inline 6 yet when you google the engine it’s self it looks like a V6 . So what actually is it??
You can have both, a dipstick and a level sensor
The closed deck and the spray cast cylinder sleeves are game changing. The dip stick thing doesnt matter because the sensor detects quality and level.
Alex seemed like a nice truck but I'm more interested in the other trucks that you reviewed. not too long ago is 3.5, 2.7,5.3 Chevy, 6.2 Chevy, and Dodge,5.7 hemi truck. but out of all those trucks, in your opinion, what will be the most dependable longest lasting truck? To haul a travel trailer, 4,500 pounds. Occasionally, and firewood and whatnot like A truck should be used. Not for being like a minivan or SUV for home kids around.Which one will last longer? They all seem to have their problems. Chevy and Dodge have cam lifter issues Ford has Issue with the valves on the 2.7, cam tensioners on the 3.5, so I was wanting to know out of all those trucks Back to 2015, even which would be the most dependable longest lasting for a regular average joe like me.
Is there/will there be a non turbo version of this engine? I’m more interested in that if they ever put it in Wrangler/Gladiator
Love your channel. Hate what they did to that truck.
Pretty truck! Love the color. Love your channel 🎉
Love to see a larger displacement, naturally aspirated version.
Good advice Alex,definitely wait few years to buy
Love this new Ram, its just a whole other Level.
In regards to the turbo lag, I would need to see the acceleration from idle or close to it to believe it.
Can you look into the check engine light and misfiring that's being reported on 5thgenrams forum? Lot of reports of issues like this, no real fix yet that I can see.
I agree on waiting to buy
I believe due to the dual turbo setup the use an oil level sensor instead of dip stick is cause the turbo's will malfunction and start pushing oil into the intake
Two small turbos of course theyll spool up quickly
Remember, it isnt brand brand new. Its Been out a couple years at Jeep. Plus with the amazing discounts you can get on RAM right now (17K off msrp on a Big Horn) we ended up with a new one and love it so far. Except for being able to sniff smell taste and touch the oil on the dipstick. What are we making out with these things? That part doesn't bother me at all.
A lot of people including myself would like to physically look at the oil level and not trust a computer to do that for you.
@tylerkraemer it has built in redundancies so is safe and honestly has been so nice. Never have to pop the hood, can check the oil every single day from the comfort of the driver's seat. I get it, it bucks the norm especially for us older cats. And maybe it's too far of a bridge for some folks even in light of the other cajillion things that are monitored by electronics. That's a shame though, because this truck is smoother, faster, quieter, best ride, etc out of the other 1/2 ton varieties IMO and that's a shame to miss all that over something so trivial.
*"no Toyota problems"* so good start for something totally new for a Detroit product. Definitely sounds like a lawnmower 😊😊
Rather see Hemi with turbo or twin turbo. Then I’d be interested. What’s wrong with cummin turbo? For heavy duty?
A hemi with a turbo would suck.
Algo para comentar: motores modernos son eficientes y ecológicos pero complejos y eso vale para todos no solo para este en particular. El sonido apagado también está ligado a las nuevas normativas, pero ya saldrá algo after market para los que les guste el espectáculo. Por último no entiendo la comparación con el Duramax, lo único que comparten es la arquitectura 6L 3.0 pero es diesel y el Hurricane es gasolina
Thanks for your opinion. I would rather have 5.7 hemi.
OH! Dip stick! Is there a cartridge filter and extraction connection on top so I could vacuum oil the oil and swap the filter on the top side? Or am I forced to roll around on a creeper, old school?
It's a spin on oil filter on the bottom near the oil pan.
I wish it was topside. I think all cars should be that way
@@gomerpyle7721 that’s the best part of my Pentastar… pull the dipstick, put the vacuum on her, while the oils coming out, swap filters. By the time her pans empty, I’m ready to refill the oil. 15 minutes and I’m done… no fuss, no mess.
1:54 yep it’s fall up there. (All the leaves on the HVAC grill).
Much better than when they put the pentastar in it. That one was a dog.
There is a 1000 horsepower crate version for sale so it probably handles the 500 horsepower pretty reliably
He says “3 cylinders” in the beginning and wrong about that ecoboost. Only thing you got right was that open deck. But the ecoboost is easier to work on. Ecoboost still out run that mod for mod
The missing oil dipstick is a big one. I always check my oil in my 5.7 hemi for the manual check of level and the color. I do not trust the "oil life" too much reliance on a sensor going wrong. The people who buys these rams are the test market in the real world applications.
Change the oil every 5k miles and be done
Love my HO Cummins 3500 and loved my 6.4 Power wagon and 5.7 Hemi trucks. I am going with this is a dud but the inline 6 balance may save the day
I think you'd have to be a fool to buy a stellantis product.
what's the most reliable 375-415 horsepower 6 or 8 cylinder engine in 2025?
Wher is the oil dipstick? :)
It does have a dipstick but it sits behind the steering wheel. 🤣🤣
Love that👍👍🤣🤣
Oh, Hell...
lol hey now
Got one. I really don't give a hoot about the sound.
Does it have direct injectors?
Excelente video con esa RAM
I guess I am mixed. Really a half ton pick up is for relatively light towing and loads. If you are serious, then you are going to use at least a 3/4 ton.
I like the idea, straight 6 to me is the best engine design, but not so sure about the execution.
I want to see a 8L I-6 gasser when they eventually replace the 6.4, something beastly without emissions
I get my oil done but I always check the oil stick ofter service in front of the mechanic. So not having an oil stick it's not a choice for me
Hey Alex when I clicked on your video I got a add for alcohol it was a whiskey add. I was listening to a podcast with Cleetus McFarland and he said that he blocked alcohol and gambling adds and his add rates when up. Just a heads up I thought you would like to know. Update I clicked you video again to comment and I got the same alcohol add.
I'm sure it will be very durable and last forever...lol Right! Been making V8s for 75 years and still can't get it right. Like this will be any good.
As usual great video
Reliability?
Why don't they run compounds instead of twin turbos? I had compounds in a 5.9 Cummins. That thing moved. As far as that motor goes, it won't matter unless they put them in 2500's or 3500's.
The Ecoboost doesn't have issues with its open deck even at 700+hp. So while closed is technically stronger practically it doesn't matter.
I was gunna say this. The Ecoboost doesnt seem to have issue with the block strength, at least not from what I have seen.
Ehhh yeah except a water pump behind the timing cover, numerous oil pump design flaws. . .
No oil dipstick just seems like a silly oversight. IMHO.
@@sled9263 Has an oil sensor. Why do you need a dipstick?
@@gncc600 I’m old school. Why let electronics (which are prone to failure) replace something that is simple and failure proof? Checking your oil level is pretty simple.
@@sled9263 People don't check oil anymore. Most people will never open the hook on their vehicle the entire time they own it.
@@gncc600 not a valid excuse in my opinion. To each their own though
How long will twin turbos likely last on a Ram being used roughly?
Twin turbos seem to last a long time in diesels…
I want to know how reliable it is. My 3.6 pentascrap has not been reliable at all. I do however have an old 4.0 that has 226,000 miles that has been very good. These are in Jeeps.
A brand new machine should usually be reliable, since the parts are all new! I have a 2006 Honda dirtbike and a new 2023 KTM, the KTM is more reliable
Enjoy your videos 👍🏻
I hope it turns out to be a good engine. As bad as the ram , jeep etc. quality is they need all the help they can get
Hell yeah I should. In 5-6 years. Lightly used.
Why didn’t they just go with a bigger displacement and a single turbo?
Atleast no MDS!?
A 3.5-4L single turbo with a real thermostat would have been nice.
Yes sir, little bigger displacement and a single turbo would of been a very streamlined set up.
@@GettysGarage more natural torque without getting into the boost, would have been smooth, very torquey, just maybe it would be a few less hp and have a bit of lag.
@@GettysGarage BMW's b58 is a 3 litre single turbo.
What an incredible risky move for the RAM brand to go with the SST I6. Market share for the brand is very low, and going with a brand new I6 could devastate the 1500 especially IF it turns out to have reliability issues. The incredible sound of the HEMI was a selling point for many and now the new SST exhaust note reminds me of a Japanese mini van mixed with a sac of broken sewing machines. I bet many salespeople will hold off on letting customers start up the truck… yes the power output is impressive. And inside I’m sure the sound is liveable. But many of the truck owners who just don’t care about the sound a truck makes, well… they are buying electric trucks anyways… I really hope RAM succeeds with this new line of motors, but they MUST rework the exhaust signature. I loved my 3500 Cummins inline 6. The sound is one of the best truck engine sounds on the planet. The SST I6 is exactly the opposite. Yes I’m kicking a dead horse…
Oh and Alex, word of caution. Blur the speedometer when running your acceleration tests, at least once past limit. And might want to blur out plates. Just a thought. Keep up the vids they are top notch. Regular guy for regular peeps. Let us know if you come out to Alberta, I think you have a big fan base out here. We do luv trucks and truck content.
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Manufacturers always over-think their products. Dodge should have just single turbo charged a 5.7 Hemi and called it a day. Same thind with GM. 5.3 LT with a single turbo in a silverado frombthe factory with a warranty. Id buy one instantly.
Huh, thanks for the sound comparison with the Hemi. Not gonna lie, that I-6 doesn't sound great, and I'm normally a sucker for the sound of an I-6, like the old GM 4.2 from the 2000's which I absolutely loved. I wonder if the Ram just has a bad exhaust system design from an auditory perspective?
its probably because its being sent through the turbos and that breaks up the exhaust pulses.
@@Jay-me7gw Ah that would make sense. The GM 4.2L I-6 was non-turbo and sounded great mechanically and had a good exhaust note too. The BMW B58 also sounds great in my opinion and it is a turbo.
@@s.b.2088could be similar to S55/s58s case where bmw forgot how to put proper exhausts on their cars. Other than that,I'm interested in the H.O. hurricane and see what kind of power they make,dodge said they are 1000hp capable,top of it having forged internals and crank and being very similar to the S58 in more ways than one,so I'm curious to see how it does with power and etc despite its issues.