In the USA when I was growing up, we still used Mr and Mrs and their last name as a sign of respect. Over the years it disappeared, although it appears to be a minor thing, I do think it has caused some additional issues. Working along side Indonesian here, not saying Pak first when addressing one another, did cause some issues. We seen not using it as a sign of friendship, or partners saw it a sign of disrespect.
Haha that reminds me of my parents, they reckon Aussies are disrespectful calling their elders by first name. I never know Mr and Mrs used to be norm in US, I thought it’s only for Mr President .
@@Hendra23155 When my kids were young and I was asked what they should call me, I responded with Mr. Fox. You almost never hear it said now a days. It definitely was the norm during the 1960s through 1980.
It must have been the norm everywhere. In South Africa around 2000, people started using first names only. English speakers probably earlier than that. Around the same time full suits and ties stopped being a requirement. The good thing is that older people won't be treated as outsiders, and the uncomfortable issue of at what age difference you can use first names is gone.
You know my mother is half French half Vietnamese and was raised in Vietnam. growing up we always addressed our elders as Mr. and Mrs. as we were taught by my Asian mom
Yes addressing our elders properly is big thing in most Asian cultures so you can imagine my parents’ reaction when Aussies call their elders by first name only haha
Hello Hendra! Thank you for your informative video! It is invaluable information for someone like myself who will be moving to Jakarta in a couple of months! You taught me a great deal! Terima kasih banyak, teman saya!
as an Indonesian, I found it funny when you say left hand used for bums lol but yeah, those you shared are all right. I'd love to hear another experience you had here ~
Bapak (Mr) and Ibu (Mrs) will do. Manners (tata karma) matter a lot to Javanese , they often smile even though they disagree with you to avoid confrontation and just want to be polite. All the best with your Mr :)
jangan lupa ko, tambahin: berhati2 menyebrang di indonesia, meskipun lampu tanda nyebrang sudah hijau :D karena disini lampu lalu lintas sering diabaikan :D
bener sekali Mak Gedmbyah haha, thanks berat dah mampir. Aku tambahin disini aja ya: Also: "Please look around before crossing even though pedestrian traffic light turns green - motorists often ignore this"
As someone looking to spend a lot of time in Bali< thank you for this information. In regards to religious conversations do you think Indonesians enjoy speaking in these topics or it’s more of a taboo topic?
It seems to be a common question to ask one another what their religion is. At first I found it very unusual, no I think it helps with knowing how to respect one another's belief. For example, if you know someone is Muslim, you would insure anything that you may cook for them would not have pork. More in depth conversations on religion, I would avoid it with people other than those you are very close to. I am not sure I have been to a place, that religion, along with politics of being a sensitive topic.
If you ask out of genuine curiosity or sincere wish to learn and understand where they are coming from they will gladly have religious conversations. Wish you have great time in Bali :)
as a muslim, you can ask the islam's lore publicly as long as without any negative objective or curiosity. but if you try to bait into heated argument which religion is right or wrong you probably discuss it in private. To be honest, as a dude that attend in islamic school, and public school (variaty religion), I never discuss about religion seriously to friends because its not "fun" topic to discuss. its just there are more interesting events and topic to talk about. But between muslims, we might make non-offensive joke about islam culture. but if you do make a joke about other religion (between muslims of course), we might not continue the discussion or quickly change the topic.
@@Hendra23155 once I had a business date in Jkt in a sky bar .after one hour of waiting II called and asked where he is. He replied sonn there I am already in the elevator.... What he didn't tell me: He was in the elevator at home😭. You know what that means considering JKT traffic😂🤣😂
you are right, Pak (short for Bapak) or Bu (short for Ibu) will do for 95% cases. Tuan/Nyonya sounds overly formal. Having said that I remember seeing a letter addressed to my dad from bank: Kepada Tuan xxxx (To Mr xxxx). Thanks for your feedback :)
@@Hendra23155I have lived on and off in Indonesia since 1996 and found that Tuan was used almost exclusively for male foreign citizens. The form Nyonya was used for foreign ladies and Indonesian ladies in the same manner,
@@anthonyhewitt6752 thanks for sharing your perspective Anthony! I only come across Ibunda in songs, poems or some Sinetron (soap opera) so far. It’s news to me that it’s considered disrespectful to call Bu or Ibu to foreign ladies. We call our First Lady Ibu Negara so not sure why some find it disrespectful
@@Hendra23155 Some Indonesian mothers are known to all as Bunda (mother), including within my own keularga besar, rather than Ma, Mama, or Ibu. Foreign lady custom will take husband's name, so Nyonya is correct title, whereas Indonesian custom will keep father's name, so Ibu is correct - Nyonya is too formal. First Lady never uses husband's name so is always Ibu Negara - I have never heard . I don't recall meeting any unmarried foreign lady but by same logic (father's name) maybe known as Nona.
@@anthonyhewitt6752 thanks for explaining this Anthony, much appreciated. Nona is pretty rare, I don’t recall calling someone Nona ever in my life. Wish you and your keluarga besar a happy new year 2022.
Yes, and about using Mr and Mrs, in formal situation such as workplace or office, it is really common for a superior to call his or her subordinate using Mr or Mrs,.Pak/Bu. While using pak/bu is imperative from lower rank to higher rank,.for the higher rank to lower rank, it is a cultural norm.
🤣🤣 I forgot one time when I went back to Indonesia I used my left hand to gave my passport. And what happened nexts was I got eyes glared from the Person that helped me.
Mantap videonya Ko...tapi kalau bisa tambahkan atau konten baru terkait orang asing yang mungkin tidak tahu kalau misalnya di suatu daerah ada tempat2 yang disakralkan, misalkan pohon besar, batu besar, dll. seperti di Bali kemarin ada warga asing dr Russia yg pose telanjang dada di pohon yang dikeramatkan di Bali, yang akhirnya membuat mereka harus berurusan sama pihak berwajib atau sama penduduk setempat (suruh bayar denda misalnya) bahkan sampai depostase. perihal beginilah yang seharusnya WNA juga harus tahu ko. jadi biar tidak terjadi apa2 sma yang mau datang bertandang ke Indonsia - Jalan di depan orang yang lebih tua harus bilang permisi, kalau bisa agak sedikit menunduk ko...wkwkwk (misalnya di gang kecil, apalagi yang lagi berkerumun 🤣) Terima kasih banyak untuk video kerennya.
Aah ya bener2, buat org luar cm pohon apa istimewanya, gak sadar (atau cuek) buat org lokal sakral. Thanks berat buat masukannya, gw masukin dlm daftar topik2 brikutnya 🙏
I think number 10 mostly coming from Javanese culture, i'm from eastern Indonesia we speak directly when found someone's doing bad thing or making mistake. You can see how Manadonese, Ternatenese and Ambonese talked, they speak directly and no basa-basi
Thanks for the insight my friend! Probably because most our past and current national leaders hail from Javanese background and for better or worse that trickles down to our national psyche. My Manadonese friend doesn’t speak direct language, not sure if spending her working life in Jakarta rubs on her.
History shows that the decline of a country or society begins with the decay of it's language, which is powerfully connected to it's values. I recall my linguistics professor emphasizing the importance of correct pronunciation, and how they way people speak, determines the health of a society. Sadly, the custom of respectfully addressing older people and those in higher positions disappeared decades ago in the USA, and our respect for each other, and values, seemed to die soon after. The use of profanity in the USA has become so common it's lost it's shock value. In recent years, verbal bashing, trolling, and cancel culture has imploded, and we are now seen as the Un-united States of America. Hopefully Southeast Asians will continue their beautiful customs, respectful disposition, and language. I've been traveling throughout Bali and Thailand for the past 7 months. There is so much more respect, and much less conflict in Southeast Asia, than the USA. The USA recently had it's 146th mass shooting of 2023, and it's only April.
Even as an Indonesian, I feel really disgusted when the religion is being weaponized recently, since about 15 years back then, I think. The most recent issue, is about masjid's TOA. People protested in public places in Jkt, but, when they prayed, the act was just....unbelievebly dumb. Like, it was clearly violating & disrespecting the rules of praying. People finally realized that some people using religions as excuses for their own egos. You can ask many people about this matter, and surely, some of them will strongly agree with what I said.
Yep, don't forget the case about radical majority religions that try to convert minority or discriminate them. Some of them use religion on their business or love affair to convert you into part of them, that's not a secret.
@@Hendra23155 As a bule with Indo wife from Semarang, the absolute worst thing by far is the screeching azan from numerous TOAs starting at 3:45am. It's nothing less than sonic terrorism.
I mean why would anybody carry drugs in this day and age with all the technology anyways I watch “locked up abroad”. And Indonesia was one of the country’s that was being featured .the girl got caught
@@robertfox374 True even if you use an airline from INA The flight attendant will give you a notification about the prohibition as well as the punishment
I wonder, i am going there this summer, and i read giving small gifts is ok, but is it ok for me to give the parents a big gift or a lot of money, would this be frowned upon , or seen as disrespect?
Yeah small gift is ok , preferably something unique from your country, it’s your sincerity that counts. Giving money is common among families esp those living in small cities or rural areas, but not stranger/visitor to local unless they ask because of your appearance (some locals think fair skinned foreigners are all rich!$
@@Hendra23155 I am a little tanned, i asked her myself how her parents would feel about a gift, she responded anything is fine ,except no cigarretes :)
actualy the number one is do not offend the majority of that religion! thats strict or else u will have big problem. on the other hand, if the majority offend u, just keep silent and pretend nothing happen, if u react, u will get blamed.
@@ardaffarandra8260 probably what he is trying to say is it should be ok to disagree or raise a genuine complaint in respectful way. Most religions promote peaceful resolution, unfortunately some take it far too personal and treat legitimate complaint as an attack to their belief or right to practice religion. Wish we practice more musyawarah mufakat with goodwill
I have often wondered where the right hand, left hand thing comes from. Obviously there are strong pronouncements / customs from Islam regarding this, but it was a custom in Asia before Islam. There is a right hand and left hand dichotomy in tantric Hinduism too. Is the toilet explanation a retrospective explanation? What came first? That the left hand was less noble and hence used for the toilet, or that it was used for the toilet and became less noble? That Asia did not use toilet paper is not an explanation either, as it should be MORE the case here...
From my limited experience only Muslim and Arabic speaking communities find it offensive to hand stuff with left hand, not sure whether it’s prevalent in Asian countries
Personal prescribed medication should be ok as long as it’s accompanied with doctor’s letter. Please check with Indonesian embassy or consular general they should be able to give you definite answer
@@Hendra23155 islam fanaticism , before 2013 it's not like how today is . it change the nation image and culture so much (lets not talk about it). -tank top and such is a common and normal clothes used in public back then too . too many hor*y people nowadays . (also point number one). -national ideology ain't working so much lik e it used to be (again it started from 2013...) -no more booze on mini market In Java Island also happen since 2013 , before that i can still buy some i mean a lot *IMPORTANT* : t̲h̲i̲s̲ ̲o̲n̲e̲ ̲i̲s̲ ̲a̲ ̲m̲i̲s̲u̲n̲d̲e̲r̲s̲t̲a̲n̲d̲i̲n̲g̲ ̲f̲o̲r̲ ̲f̲o̲r̲e̲i̲g̲n̲e̲r̲,̲ ̲i̲t̲'̲s̲ ̲n̲o̲t̲ ̲b̲e̲c̲a̲u̲s̲e̲ ̲t̲h̲a̲t̲ ̲t̲h̲i̲s̲ ̲i̲s̲ ̲a̲ ̲"̲m̲u̲s̲l̲i̲m̲"̲ ̲c̲o̲u̲n̲t̲r̲y̲ ̲,̲ ̲i̲t̲'̲s̲ ̲a̲c̲t̲u̲a̲l̲l̲y̲ ̲b̲e̲c̲a̲u̲s̲e̲ ̲t̲h̲e̲r̲e̲'̲s̲ ̲a̲ ̲l̲o̲t̲ ̲o̲f̲ ̲u̲n̲d̲e̲r̲a̲g̲e̲ ̲k̲i̲d̲ ̲b̲u̲y̲i̲n̲g̲ ̲a̲l̲l̲ ̲t̲h̲o̲s̲e̲ ̲b̲o̲o̲z̲e̲ ̲a̲n̲d̲ ̲t̲h̲e̲ ̲r̲u̲l̲e̲ ̲a̲b̲o̲u̲t̲ ̲s̲h̲o̲w̲i̲n̲g̲ ̲a̲n̲ ̲I̲D̲ ̲d̲i̲d̲n̲'̲t̲ ̲w̲o̲r̲k̲ ̲o̲u̲t̲ ̲l̲i̲k̲e̲ ̲s̲u̲p̲p̲o̲s̲e̲d̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲,̲t̲h̲e̲ ̲c̲l̲e̲r̲k̲ ̲j̲u̲s̲t̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲l̲a̲z̲y̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲a̲s̲k̲ ̲"̲w̲h̲e̲r̲e̲'̲s̲ ̲y̲o̲u̲r̲ ̲I̲D̲"̲, now you could only found booze on minority neighborhood ,and in supermarket like carrefour.
@@justyuyun1557 I won't disagree with what you are saying. I noticed more people are wearing religious themed attires (nothing wrong with that btw) when I visited my hometown Jakarta 2.5 years ago. General elections used to be about economy, economy and economy. That's why I was surprised religion took prominent role in last election. It was first time cleric was picked up for vice president role.
Interesting Now with the drugs what about prescription drugs like your medicines and stuff? If you take off your shoes when you go in someone's house can you at least leave socks on I don't like running around barefoot.
Doctor prescribed drug is fine, please have the prescription ready and check with your local Indonesian consular. “Recreational drug” like narcotics is a big no. Sure you can keep your socks on of course :)
people will get ackward if you call them Tuan and nyonya. Bapak dan Ibu before their first name is consider polite and formal enough. Your gestures when you interact with them are more important.
Agree my friend, other viewer pointed this out also in comment. Calling superior Tuan is rather rare, I see it mostly on letter from bank e.g. kepada Tuan xxxx
Great video help me understand not to be so western in a little more delicate now I guess that’s what my Indonesian wife means by need to be more smooth
I had been thinking of visiting rural Java and Sumatra because of several RUclips sites showing beautiful countryside and smiling people. BUT NO, I see now that the mindset is just too conservative. I appreciate your honesty. It has saved me a big mistake. There is another site, a very positive vlog of 10 things to know about JKT, by a well-traveled young westerner who has recently settled there with his wife. They love it, but part way in, he asks any Indonesians who might be watching why he seems to draw so much attention, a friendly curiousity, while he is filming unobtrusively, or just out walking? He points out that in all other SE Asian, people hardly notice. The answers were various but can you guess the main reason? It seems that except for Bali, most Indonesians have very little contact with foreigners. Even in Jakarta, the average person might see only one foreigner in a year. I can't think of any other world city of that size, some 25 to 30 million, which isn't a magnet for foreign visitors or students. That certainly scares me off. I'm not a rabble rouser, but whenever I have spent extended time in ultra conservative countries, there comes a point when you get tired of making small talk, all the time. Ultra conservative dictatorships are also the places which have the worst environmental record, and Indonesia is among that group. I know I would get tired of turning a blind eye and biting my tongue on that issue...... no matter how friendly the people and how reasonable the cost of travel. I realize you can't speak freely if I were to ask you. But, it must be incredibly difficult to return to Indonesia when you've been living abroad in free country.
Even in Jakarta, the average person might see only one foreigner in a year. ==> that's true and honestly Jakarta doesn't have much much cultural experience to offer anyway, it only has shopping malls and traffic jam is horrible. Most westerners in Jakarta I know teach English or expats. Yes, I choose my words carefully in vids knowing well some topics are just completely off the table (at least in public) or easily misinterpreted. I am not complaining btw, it comes from acceptance that it's just the way it is in conservative country. A friend of mine decided to go back to Indonesia to work. It only lasted a year. She is used to speak her mind freely even to boss. Short story, the culture shock is too much and she is now back to Sydney living happily ever after haha.
Thank you for the unexpected reply! Unexpected in that I thought you would be deeply offended. Meantime, I went ahead and watched your "4 things to know if you take an Indonesian wife". It touched on some things I did not mention in my first comment. Fifteen years ago, I joined a religion where we see life very much like Moslems, as a deep relationship with God. We still practice chastity, i.e.no sex outside of marriage, and teach our young people accordingly. It's easier to maintain chastity when all the single people around you think and act the same way. When you look back to the West, that is the way everyone was brought up, from ALL religions, until the mid to late 1960s. Up to then, a couple living together unmarried, were frowned upon and socially ostracized, just as you've described in present day Indonesia. Especially in my rural farming community. If a girl became pregnant, she would often have to move away, and the baby given up for adoption. Then it hit like a storm, the Sexual Revolution, and seemed to spread like wildfire around the westernized World in TWO years. It started in Scandinavia and Britain, where young adults of the opposite sex, of all western religious backgrounds, and often still attending churches, synagogues and temples, decided to start living together. The euphemism used was a 'trial marriage. You've mentioned that in Australia that arrangement is now called a de facto marriage, and I assume it now has some legal status as it does in my country. The legal term here is a 'commom-law marriage'. There was a 20 year lag after the S.Revolution, where laws were enacted to protect women and children from financial abandonment. In Islam, I believe those protections were already written into the teachings of the Prophet. To be continued ......... My discussion of historic attitudes is leading up to a number of things. In particular, I'm grateful for one thing covered in your videos. It has already helped me understand why I no longer be offended by certain questions always asked to me when I have visited ultra-conservative countries..........
@@gardengeek3041 why would I feel offended 😂, I appreciate people sharing their thoughts and I am happy to do same. Everyone has a blindside, it’s best people engage each other and share their perspectives respectfully even though they don’t always agree on everything.
Well, i'm from Jakarta. It depends on which part of Jakarta u're visiting. If you're in the urban part, it will be OK i guess. But other parts of Jakarta is not that bad. I had met several white people yesterday in the most random places ever (proofs that we don't really meet foreigners here). One thing that comes from my mind is either they do business here or they marry some Indonesian. There's no way they go on a vacation to Jakarta😂. My family comes from Bataknese background, which is a local ethnic group in North Sumatera. I think North Sumatera (specifically Medan) is a safe place for Christians beside Jakarta and Manado. I don't get why do you think we are that conservative by watching this video. From what I can tell, it's just about the custom. If you think we are that conservative, then you'll be surprised at how Indonesians think of western countries. We judge a lot from the way you guys act in Bali.😂
om semalam saya todur jam 2 ,jam 5 pagi toa sangat keras suaranya yang baca alkuran kelek bange gue terbangun dikuping bener2 suara itu seperti speaker yang disumpelkan kekuping sangat mesok kependengaran hati kesel bange terus gue nyalain damgsut nella kharisma utk menghalu suara toa yg mendengung dikuping
Sy punya teman org London. Dia menjelek jelekan orang2 indonesia. Katanya orang indonesia suka kawin campur suka tinggal bersama sebelum menikah seperti yang dilakukan negara barat. Dan punya anak dr hasil tinggal bersama sebelum menikah. Dan banyak lagi... Katanya moral oran indonesia itu rusak. Tolong kalau bisa buatkan vidio dan luruskan pandangan ini.. Please...
kayak nya indonesia kejam soal narkoba karena belajar dari sejarah perang opium, di barat kan gak pernah terjadi tuh keruntuhan negara besar gara2 obat, jd mereka haha hehe aja soal narkoba
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Dude you deserve more attention
@@commentguy3112 thanks for your support Ryan :)
@@Hendra23155 its ok 👍🏻
Hope you get to places man
I tell my friend to sub :D
I'm mixed race white and Jamaican.I love indonesia so much.Such a beautiful country
Yes it is a beautiful country, thanks for stopping by :)
In the USA when I was growing up, we still used Mr and Mrs and their last name as a sign of respect. Over the years it disappeared, although it appears to be a minor thing, I do think it has caused some additional issues. Working along side Indonesian here, not saying Pak first when addressing one another, did cause some issues. We seen not using it as a sign of friendship, or partners saw it a sign of disrespect.
Haha that reminds me of my parents, they reckon Aussies are disrespectful calling their elders by first name. I never know Mr and Mrs used to be norm in US, I thought it’s only for Mr President .
@@Hendra23155 When my kids were young and I was asked what they should call me, I responded with Mr. Fox. You almost never hear it said now a days. It definitely was the norm during the 1960s through 1980.
It must have been the norm everywhere. In South Africa around 2000, people started using first names only. English speakers probably earlier than that. Around the same time full suits and ties stopped being a requirement. The good thing is that older people won't be treated as outsiders, and the uncomfortable issue of at what age difference you can use first names is gone.
You know my mother is half French half Vietnamese and was raised in Vietnam. growing up we always addressed our elders as Mr. and Mrs. as we were taught by my Asian mom
Yes addressing our elders properly is big thing in most Asian cultures so you can imagine my parents’ reaction when Aussies call their elders by first name only haha
As a fellow countryman, i'm proud of you!
Keep making good vid.
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Terima kasih Rico! Much appreciated :)
Hello Hendra! Thank you for your informative video! It is invaluable information for someone like myself who will be moving to Jakarta in a couple of months!
You taught me a great deal! Terima kasih banyak, teman saya!
Glad that you find it informative. All the best with your move to Jakarta! :)
as an Indonesian, I found it funny when you say left hand used for bums lol but yeah, those you shared are all right. I'd love to hear another experience you had here ~
Yeah haha, non-Indo find it hilarious. Thanks for dropping by :)
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My bf is from East Java Indonesia and I want to learn his customs and cultures and want to know how to address his parents thanks for the video 😊
Bapak (Mr) and Ibu (Mrs) will do. Manners (tata karma) matter a lot to Javanese , they often smile even though they disagree with you to avoid confrontation and just want to be polite. All the best with your Mr :)
@@Hendra23155 Thank you so much this helped a lot !!
@@sFlapperGirl anytime my friend :)
Great video being your first time in front of the camera. I learned so much about Indonesia.
Thanks Dave, much appreciated:)
Im from Suriname south America with Indonesian roots, i speak Javanees, my grandparents came from mid Java .🇸🇷
Amazing you still speak Javanese! Great you are still keeping in touch with your root.
sadly malaysia politician said suriname is a diaspora of malay.
Thank you for the well put together educational video. We should always respect the rules and culture of the country we are traveling to.
Thanks my friend, glad you find it informative!
thank you very much for the info,you did a great job.looking forward to more of your videos, stay well.
Thanks for your kind words Flores :)
As an Indonesian, that's really true
thanks! :)
Great video!
Thanks for sharing these tips ☺️
Looking forward for more videos
Thanks Gamer! Will do :)
jangan lupa ko, tambahin: berhati2 menyebrang di indonesia, meskipun lampu tanda nyebrang sudah hijau :D karena disini lampu lalu lintas sering diabaikan :D
bener sekali Mak Gedmbyah haha, thanks berat dah mampir. Aku tambahin disini aja ya:
Also: "Please look around before crossing even though pedestrian traffic light turns green - motorists often ignore this"
Bener...seperti orang buta warna ya hahah
I learned a lot, thank you sir
glad to hear that Gugu, thanks for stopping by :)
As someone looking to spend a lot of time in Bali< thank you for this information. In regards to religious conversations do you think Indonesians enjoy speaking in these topics or it’s more of a taboo topic?
It seems to be a common question to ask one another what their religion is. At first I found it very unusual, no I think it helps with knowing how to respect one another's belief. For example, if you know someone is Muslim, you would insure anything that you may cook for them would not have pork. More in depth conversations on religion, I would avoid it with people other than those you are very close to. I am not sure I have been to a place, that religion, along with politics of being a sensitive topic.
If you ask out of genuine curiosity or sincere wish to learn and understand where they are coming from they will gladly have religious conversations. Wish you have great time in Bali :)
as a muslim, you can ask the islam's lore publicly as long as without any negative objective or curiosity. but if you try to bait into heated argument which religion is right or wrong you probably discuss it in private.
To be honest, as a dude that attend in islamic school, and public school (variaty religion), I never discuss about religion seriously to friends because its not "fun" topic to discuss. its just there are more interesting events and topic to talk about.
But between muslims, we might make non-offensive joke about islam culture. but if you do make a joke about other religion (between muslims of course), we might not continue the discussion or quickly change the topic.
Mas Hendra,,,keren lho wlpun pertama on cam... Great job mas👏
Thanks berat mas :)
Thank you for posting this. It's very helpful to foreigners. Take care!
Glad you find it helpful my friend :)
Nice video brother, I am from Pakistan but now i am in Indonesia. Just learning new things
Welcome to Indonesia mate! Hope you re having great time :)
@@Hendra23155 thank you so much brother
Pembawaanya tenang, dan narasinya tidak terlalu vulgar.. keren pak..
Haha makasih Mas Abdul :)
i'm indonesian and i can confirm this vid is 100% accurate
thank you for this great video
Thanks Nizar! Nice being endorsed by fellow Indo :)
@@Hendra23155 sama2 PAK 😂
I enjoyed this vedio
Ramiz
@@sha7092 thanks Ramiz, glad you enjoy it
Tip nr two is most valuable! Took me years to get used to the time concept!.
Don't worry my friend. Born and raised there and I am still trying to get used to it haha :)
@@Hendra23155 once I had a business date in Jkt in a sky bar .after one hour of waiting II called and asked where he is. He replied sonn there I am already in the elevator.... What he didn't tell me: He was in the elevator at home😭. You know what that means considering JKT traffic😂🤣😂
@@hubertusgrafstrachwitz388 hahahaha that’s classic!
Very well done ... informative and you seemed nice and relaxed in front of the camera.
Thanks Judith :) Truth is I am so nervous, still working on confidence, delivery and pronunciation :)
@@Hendra23155 English is very good despite strong accent. and wow .. look how well you write in English as well.
Very good video! Thank you so much, we learned a lot before our trip to Bali.
you're welcome Sadina, hope you have great time in Bali! :)
"DON'T" are more for local, but for expats mostly we will understand, so nothing too worry :)
true, most of us, Indonesians don't make a fuss. I hope this video will get them up to speed faster :)
DONT Use Tuan/Nyonya this word only use in Movie or books. Juz use Pak/Bu + Name
you are right, Pak (short for Bapak) or Bu (short for Ibu) will do for 95% cases. Tuan/Nyonya sounds overly formal. Having said that I remember seeing a letter addressed to my dad from bank: Kepada Tuan xxxx (To Mr xxxx). Thanks for your feedback :)
@@Hendra23155I have lived on and off in Indonesia since 1996 and found that Tuan was used almost exclusively for male foreign citizens. The form Nyonya was used for foreign ladies and Indonesian ladies in the same manner,
@@anthonyhewitt6752 thanks for sharing your perspective Anthony! I only come across Ibunda in songs, poems or some Sinetron (soap opera) so far. It’s news to me that it’s considered disrespectful to call Bu or Ibu to foreign ladies. We call our First Lady Ibu Negara so not sure why some find it disrespectful
@@Hendra23155 Some Indonesian mothers are known to all as Bunda (mother), including within my own keularga besar, rather than Ma, Mama, or Ibu. Foreign lady custom will take husband's name, so Nyonya is correct title, whereas Indonesian custom will keep father's name, so Ibu is correct - Nyonya is too formal. First Lady never uses husband's name so is always Ibu Negara - I have never heard . I don't recall meeting any unmarried foreign lady but by same logic (father's name) maybe known as Nona.
@@anthonyhewitt6752 thanks for explaining this Anthony, much appreciated. Nona is pretty rare, I don’t recall calling someone Nona ever in my life. Wish you and your keluarga besar a happy new year 2022.
Yes, and about using Mr and Mrs, in formal situation such as workplace or office, it is really common for a superior to call his or her subordinate using Mr or Mrs,.Pak/Bu. While using pak/bu is imperative from lower rank to higher rank,.for the higher rank to lower rank, it is a cultural norm.
agree my friend :)
nice video! Keep it up :)
Thanks Jun, much appreciated :)
🤣🤣 I forgot one time when I went back to Indonesia I used my left hand to gave my passport. And what happened nexts was I got eyes glared from the Person that helped me.
Haha now you can imagine how hard being a left-handed in Indo
I know. 🤣 I guess cuz I’m way too long for being outside Indonesia. Btw are in Indonesia or Australia?
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@@nurzhu8027 haha ic. I am in Sydney, Australia:)
Cool !! I would love to visit Sydney one of this days.nice talking to you 😊
come my friend, Aus border is now open! :)
Great suggestions bro. Thank u
Glad you find it useful my friend
Baru lewat videonya bro, salut penjelasannya bagus 👍👍
Makasih banyak apresiasinya! :)
Mantap videonya Ko...tapi kalau bisa tambahkan atau konten baru terkait orang asing yang mungkin tidak tahu kalau misalnya di suatu daerah ada tempat2 yang disakralkan, misalkan pohon besar, batu besar, dll. seperti di Bali kemarin ada warga asing dr Russia yg pose telanjang dada di pohon yang dikeramatkan di Bali, yang akhirnya membuat mereka harus berurusan sama pihak berwajib atau sama penduduk setempat (suruh bayar denda misalnya) bahkan sampai depostase. perihal beginilah yang seharusnya WNA juga harus tahu ko. jadi biar tidak terjadi apa2 sma yang mau datang bertandang ke Indonsia
- Jalan di depan orang yang lebih tua harus bilang permisi, kalau bisa agak sedikit menunduk ko...wkwkwk (misalnya di gang kecil, apalagi yang lagi berkerumun 🤣)
Terima kasih banyak untuk video kerennya.
Aah ya bener2, buat org luar cm pohon apa istimewanya, gak sadar (atau cuek) buat org lokal sakral. Thanks berat buat masukannya, gw masukin dlm daftar topik2 brikutnya 🙏
Everything are utterly right. But tips number 2 is just damn soooo rightt :)
also number 10-
Yeah I am Indo and still adapting hahaha
Pretty good tips im currently living in indonesia ive lived in indonesia my whole life so yea very god tips
thanks! I do hope it'll help people out there who plan to visit Indonesia one day :)
Hello Bro Hendra, I was Thomas from Solo, I like your vlog somuch
Hello Pak Thomas, thanks for stopping by my humble vlog :)
I think number 10 mostly coming from Javanese culture, i'm from eastern Indonesia we speak directly when found someone's doing bad thing or making mistake. You can see how Manadonese, Ternatenese and Ambonese talked, they speak directly and no basa-basi
Thanks for the insight my friend! Probably because most our past and current national leaders hail from Javanese background and for better or worse that trickles down to our national psyche. My Manadonese friend doesn’t speak direct language, not sure if spending her working life in Jakarta rubs on her.
Very informative thanks
Thanks my friend, glad you find informative:)
Good video
@@RhinoInternational86 thanks my friend, really appreciate that.
@@Hendra23155 keep going
Terima kasih banyak! Saya suka itu!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Sama-sama :)
great video sir
Thanks Pak Achmad:)
What kind of work do you do? Good video.
Thanks James, I am just small potato in banking industry:)
i think you need to add some BGM or music, for the video to make it a little better,,,
there is a lot of non copyrighted BGM out there,,
Agree my friend, there's a lot to improve. Unfortunately with full time work and young kids I need to make do with whatever spare time I have.
Thank you for this information.
My pleasure :)
Just respect each other
Agree my friend!
History shows that the decline of a country or society begins with the decay of it's language, which is powerfully connected to it's values. I recall my linguistics professor emphasizing the importance of correct pronunciation, and how they way people speak, determines the health of a society. Sadly, the custom of respectfully addressing older people and those in higher positions disappeared decades ago in the USA, and our respect for each other, and values, seemed to die soon after. The use of profanity in the USA has become so common it's lost it's shock value. In recent years, verbal bashing, trolling, and cancel culture has imploded, and we are now seen as the Un-united States of America. Hopefully Southeast Asians will continue their beautiful customs, respectful disposition, and language. I've been traveling throughout Bali and Thailand for the past 7 months. There is so much more respect, and much less conflict in Southeast Asia, than the USA. The USA recently had it's 146th mass shooting of 2023, and it's only April.
Yeah it’s really sad what’s happening in US. I grew up watching American movies and listening to her boy bands. I hope Americans can fix its mess
My Indonesian wife planned so badly, I would ask her her plan to go somewhere with friends and could tell how late she'd arrive. Usually 1h or so.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Your Voice is so rock solid 😁
Haha thanks :)
Even as an Indonesian, I feel really disgusted when the religion is being weaponized recently, since about 15 years back then, I think. The most recent issue, is about masjid's TOA. People protested in public places in Jkt, but, when they prayed, the act was just....unbelievebly dumb. Like, it was clearly violating & disrespecting the rules of praying. People finally realized that some people using religions as excuses for their own egos. You can ask many people about this matter, and surely, some of them will strongly agree with what I said.
i don't even know when maghrib begins :0
I don't need to ask around to be honest, it's all over the news, that's one of ugly sides we need to fix in Indonesia.
Yep, don't forget the case about radical majority religions that try to convert minority or discriminate them. Some of them use religion on their business or love affair to convert you into part of them, that's not a secret.
@@Hendra23155 yes you're right, got to fix it fast. Otherwise it will become like another Malaysia.
@@Hendra23155 As a bule with Indo wife from Semarang, the absolute worst thing by far is the screeching azan from numerous TOAs starting at 3:45am.
It's nothing less than sonic terrorism.
I mean why would anybody carry drugs in this day and age with all the technology anyways I watch “locked up abroad”. And Indonesia was one of the country’s that was being featured .the girl got caught
Exactly! I can’t believe it’s still happening. Carrying drugs to Indonesia is signing yourself up to death row. I truly hope foreigners learn this!
Totally agree. Not to mention there are numerous warning prior to entering the country to include the punishment.
@@robertfox374 True even if you use an airline from INA
The flight attendant will give you a notification about the prohibition as well as the punishment
I wonder, i am going there this summer, and i read giving small gifts is ok, but is it ok for me to give the parents a big gift or a lot of money, would this be frowned upon , or seen as disrespect?
Yeah small gift is ok , preferably something unique from your country, it’s your sincerity that counts.
Giving money is common among families esp those living in small cities or rural areas, but not stranger/visitor to local unless they ask because of your appearance (some locals think fair skinned foreigners are all rich!$
@@Hendra23155 I am a little tanned, i asked her myself how her parents would feel about a gift, she responded anything is fine ,except no cigarretes :)
@@TGSM19 sound like a good girl:)
Terima kasih Hendrah! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
sama-sama Ebrihim! :)
Good one, pretty much cover it all
Thanks Sonrisa! :)
actualy the number one is
do not offend the majority of that religion! thats strict or else u will have big problem. on the other hand, if the majority offend u, just keep silent and pretend nothing happen, if u react, u will get blamed.
Can’t fault you on that:)
@@ardaffarandra8260 probably what he is trying to say is it should be ok to disagree or raise a genuine complaint in respectful way. Most religions promote peaceful resolution, unfortunately some take it far too personal and treat legitimate complaint as an attack to their belief or right to practice religion. Wish we practice more musyawarah mufakat with goodwill
Hi bro how can U reach you I wanna talk to you
Hello you can reach me at hendrayou@protonmail com
Thanks Hendra 👍
No worries Michael, glad you find it informative:)
I have often wondered where the right hand, left hand thing comes from. Obviously there are strong pronouncements / customs from Islam regarding this, but it was a custom in Asia before Islam. There is a right hand and left hand dichotomy in tantric Hinduism too. Is the toilet explanation a retrospective explanation? What came first? That the left hand was less noble and hence used for the toilet, or that it was used for the toilet and became less noble? That Asia did not use toilet paper is not an explanation either, as it should be MORE the case here...
From my limited experience only Muslim and Arabic speaking communities find it offensive to hand stuff with left hand, not sure whether it’s prevalent in Asian countries
Thank you brother!
No worries! :)
3:49 opium war
Most likely, it came from my history teacher after all! I wasn’t aware of Opium war back then :)
What about prescribed medications? Do I need a doctor's letter?
Personal prescribed medication should be ok as long as it’s accompanied with doctor’s letter. Please check with Indonesian embassy or consular general they should be able to give you definite answer
it wasn't like this back then .... its change . everything change
Hello Yuyun, do you mind to share what have changed please?
@@Hendra23155 islam fanaticism , before 2013 it's not like how today is . it change the nation image and culture so much (lets not talk about it).
-tank top and such is a common and normal clothes used in public back then too . too many hor*y people nowadays . (also point number one).
-national ideology ain't working so much lik e it used to be (again it started from 2013...)
-no more booze on mini market In Java Island also happen since 2013 , before that i can still buy some i mean a lot *IMPORTANT* : t̲h̲i̲s̲ ̲o̲n̲e̲ ̲i̲s̲ ̲a̲ ̲m̲i̲s̲u̲n̲d̲e̲r̲s̲t̲a̲n̲d̲i̲n̲g̲ ̲f̲o̲r̲ ̲f̲o̲r̲e̲i̲g̲n̲e̲r̲,̲ ̲i̲t̲'̲s̲ ̲n̲o̲t̲ ̲b̲e̲c̲a̲u̲s̲e̲ ̲t̲h̲a̲t̲ ̲t̲h̲i̲s̲ ̲i̲s̲ ̲a̲ ̲"̲m̲u̲s̲l̲i̲m̲"̲ ̲c̲o̲u̲n̲t̲r̲y̲ ̲,̲ ̲i̲t̲'̲s̲ ̲a̲c̲t̲u̲a̲l̲l̲y̲ ̲b̲e̲c̲a̲u̲s̲e̲ ̲t̲h̲e̲r̲e̲'̲s̲ ̲a̲ ̲l̲o̲t̲ ̲o̲f̲ ̲u̲n̲d̲e̲r̲a̲g̲e̲ ̲k̲i̲d̲ ̲b̲u̲y̲i̲n̲g̲ ̲a̲l̲l̲ ̲t̲h̲o̲s̲e̲ ̲b̲o̲o̲z̲e̲ ̲a̲n̲d̲ ̲t̲h̲e̲ ̲r̲u̲l̲e̲ ̲a̲b̲o̲u̲t̲ ̲s̲h̲o̲w̲i̲n̲g̲ ̲a̲n̲ ̲I̲D̲ ̲d̲i̲d̲n̲'̲t̲ ̲w̲o̲r̲k̲ ̲o̲u̲t̲ ̲l̲i̲k̲e̲ ̲s̲u̲p̲p̲o̲s̲e̲d̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲,̲t̲h̲e̲ ̲c̲l̲e̲r̲k̲ ̲j̲u̲s̲t̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲l̲a̲z̲y̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲a̲s̲k̲ ̲"̲w̲h̲e̲r̲e̲'̲s̲ ̲y̲o̲u̲r̲ ̲I̲D̲"̲, now you could only found booze on minority neighborhood ,and in supermarket like carrefour.
@@justyuyun1557 I won't disagree with what you are saying. I noticed more people are wearing religious themed attires (nothing wrong with that btw) when I visited my hometown Jakarta 2.5 years ago. General elections used to be about economy, economy and economy. That's why I was surprised religion took prominent role in last election. It was first time cleric was picked up for vice president role.
thanks mr.
you're welcome Mr Zhong :)
Interesting
Now with the drugs what about prescription drugs like your medicines and stuff?
If you take off your shoes when you go in someone's house can you at least leave socks on I don't like running around barefoot.
Doctor prescribed drug is fine, please have the prescription ready and check with your local Indonesian consular. “Recreational drug” like narcotics is a big no.
Sure you can keep your socks on of course :)
Thank you
people will get ackward if you call them Tuan and nyonya. Bapak dan Ibu before their first name is consider polite and formal enough. Your gestures when you interact with them are more important.
Agree my friend, other viewer pointed this out also in comment. Calling superior Tuan is rather rare, I see it mostly on letter from bank e.g. kepada Tuan xxxx
@@Hendra23155 ah i see..in written, yeah....but almost never in conversation,
@@tyowongndeso only in sinetron maybe haha
@@Hendra23155 hahaha
Info akurat.
Makasih y Mas Nasrul :)
10 things not to do in Indonesia
1. Critical Thinking
Frustrated with Indonesians? Hehe. It might feel that way coz for some feeling/sentiment comes first .
I’m from Indonesia 🇮🇩 but Indonesia
MERCI🙏🌹🇨🇵
wkwkwk,...bener banget, jeli ni si Bapak.
Yoii kan org indo pak haha
60% is Islamic basic so this is so easy for me as bule 🔥 🔥
Then you are one of rare bules my friend!
True
Thanks Mas Dody :)
damn, as native, i didn't know all about this before.
You are joking right? 😜
@@Hendra23155 yes, maybe because different perspective, usually, i always watching what not do in another country.
I'm diabetic--I cannot walk barefoot. Can I bring Inside shoes (slippers) and explain to host?
I guess Indonesian hosts will understand if you need to wear indoor slippers :)
as an Indonesian we are unity in diversity.
Yesss my friend
unity diversity mana wkwkw. smpe skrng masih bnyak gnggu orang lain, sampe kubur mati pun di gangbusters demi nama agama. unity mana.
@@danielk9422 nah itu emank perlu dibenahi, emank realitanya msh byk intolerance biarpun bhineka tunggal ika
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No need to call sir and madam, just bapak or ibu
that's right my friend :)
Great video help me understand not to be so western in a little more delicate now I guess that’s what my Indonesian wife means by need to be more smooth
Haha it takes time my friend, your wife gets your back you would be fine :)
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Yeah I shot all my videos using mobile phone haha. Please give a Like and Subs so I can buy better gears :p
I had been thinking of visiting rural Java and Sumatra because of several RUclips sites showing beautiful countryside and smiling people. BUT NO, I see now that the mindset is just too conservative. I appreciate your honesty. It has saved me a big mistake.
There is another site, a very positive vlog of 10 things to know about JKT, by a well-traveled young westerner who has recently settled there with his wife. They love it, but part way in, he asks any Indonesians who might be watching why he seems to draw so much attention, a friendly curiousity, while he is filming unobtrusively, or just out walking? He points out that in all other SE Asian, people hardly notice.
The answers were various but can you guess the main reason? It seems that except for Bali, most Indonesians have very little contact with foreigners. Even in Jakarta, the average person might see only one foreigner in a year. I can't think of any other world city of that size, some 25 to 30 million, which isn't a magnet for foreign visitors or students.
That certainly scares me off. I'm not a rabble rouser, but whenever I have spent extended time in ultra conservative countries, there comes a point when you get tired of making small talk, all the time. Ultra conservative dictatorships are also the places which have the worst environmental record, and Indonesia is among that group. I know I would get tired of turning a blind eye and biting my tongue on that issue...... no matter how friendly the people and how reasonable the cost of travel.
I realize you can't speak freely if I were to ask you. But, it must be incredibly difficult to return to Indonesia when you've been living abroad in free country.
Even in Jakarta, the average person might see only one foreigner in a year. ==> that's true and honestly Jakarta doesn't have much much cultural experience to offer anyway, it only has shopping malls and traffic jam is horrible. Most westerners in Jakarta I know teach English or expats.
Yes, I choose my words carefully in vids knowing well some topics are just completely off the table (at least in public) or easily misinterpreted. I am not complaining btw, it comes from acceptance that it's just the way it is in conservative country. A friend of mine decided to go back to Indonesia to work. It only lasted a year. She is used to speak her mind freely even to boss. Short story, the culture shock is too much and she is now back to Sydney living happily ever after haha.
Thank you for the unexpected reply! Unexpected in that I thought you would be deeply offended.
Meantime, I went ahead and watched your "4 things to know if you take an Indonesian wife". It touched on some things I did not mention in my first comment.
Fifteen years ago, I joined a religion where we see life very much like Moslems, as a deep relationship with God. We still practice chastity, i.e.no sex outside of marriage, and teach our young people accordingly. It's easier to maintain chastity when all the single people around you think and act the same way.
When you look back to the West, that is the way everyone was brought up, from ALL religions, until the mid to late 1960s. Up to then, a couple living together unmarried, were frowned upon and socially ostracized, just as you've described in present day Indonesia. Especially in my rural farming community. If a girl became pregnant, she would often have to move away, and the baby given up for adoption.
Then it hit like a storm, the Sexual Revolution, and seemed to spread like wildfire around the westernized World in TWO years. It started in Scandinavia and Britain, where young adults of the opposite sex, of all western religious backgrounds, and often still attending churches, synagogues and temples, decided to start living together. The euphemism used was a 'trial marriage. You've mentioned that in Australia that arrangement is now called a de facto marriage, and I assume it now has some legal status as it does in my country. The legal term here is a 'commom-law marriage'. There was a 20 year lag after the S.Revolution, where laws were enacted to protect women and children from financial abandonment. In Islam, I believe those protections were already written into the teachings of the Prophet.
To be continued ......... My discussion of historic attitudes is leading up to a number of things. In particular, I'm grateful for one thing covered in your videos. It has already helped me understand why I no longer be offended by certain questions always asked to me when I have visited ultra-conservative countries..........
@@gardengeek3041 why would I feel offended 😂, I appreciate people sharing their thoughts and I am happy to do same. Everyone has a blindside, it’s best people engage each other and share their perspectives respectfully even though they don’t always agree on everything.
Well, i'm from Jakarta. It depends on which part of Jakarta u're visiting. If you're in the urban part, it will be OK i guess. But other parts of Jakarta is not that bad. I had met several white people yesterday in the most random places ever (proofs that we don't really meet foreigners here). One thing that comes from my mind is either they do business here or they marry some Indonesian. There's no way they go on a vacation to Jakarta😂.
My family comes from Bataknese background, which is a local ethnic group in North Sumatera. I think North Sumatera (specifically Medan) is a safe place for Christians beside Jakarta and Manado.
I don't get why do you think we are that conservative by watching this video. From what I can tell, it's just about the custom. If you think we are that conservative, then you'll be surprised at how Indonesians think of western countries. We judge a lot from the way you guys act in Bali.😂
om semalam saya todur jam 2 ,jam 5 pagi toa sangat keras suaranya yang baca alkuran kelek bange gue terbangun dikuping bener2 suara itu seperti speaker yang disumpelkan kekuping sangat mesok kependengaran hati kesel bange terus gue nyalain damgsut nella kharisma utk menghalu suara toa yg mendengung dikuping
kasihan bener, yo wes mau gimana lagi klo tinggal deket mesjid.
SAE PISAN KANG HENDRA...
Matur nuwun! :)
I tell you what brother, being called Pak was like when clubs stop asking for your ID.
Really? Haha
And one more , dont talk rude to older people !
oh yes that's right. I think being polite to everyone (including youngsters) is universal culture in modern wold.
bagus
Makasih Ernestine:)
Sy punya teman org London. Dia menjelek jelekan orang2 indonesia. Katanya orang indonesia suka kawin campur suka tinggal bersama sebelum menikah seperti yang dilakukan negara barat. Dan punya anak dr hasil tinggal bersama sebelum menikah. Dan banyak lagi... Katanya moral oran indonesia itu rusak. Tolong kalau bisa buatkan vidio dan luruskan pandangan ini.. Please...
Itu mah orang rasis aja,, apakah mereka gk pernah dengar pasangan internasional? Bilang orang tidak bermoral tapi merekanya lebih tidak bermoral,,
Mgkn Bule itu saat tinggal di INA berada dilingkungan yg spt itu jd dlm imajinasinya smua sama
By the way I'm from indonesia I live in jakarta Jakarta is the capital Of indonesia.🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩
I am from Jakarta too
Komplit
Makasih ya :)
And I wanna know do you speak Indonesia Sir
Of course, kan orang Indo lahir gede di Jakarta :)
hahaha..why you asking that weird question dude?
Where are you from Mister are you from Indonesia sir yes or not
Born and grew up in Jakarta, Indonesia Mr Ikhwan Dika:)
Are u Indonesian or Chinese?
Indo, born and grew up there :)
Indonesians are never late for paid flights. No jam karet at the airport!
Hahaha you are right, maybe we should charge people every time they turn up late for appointment :p
@@Hendra23155 Absolutely. Time is money, no pathetic dribble about traffic jams (macet).
Hi Hendra do you have a email if I can kindly send you a email?
HendraYou@protonmail.com
When will Indonesia make it law not to spit everywhere and spread TB.
@@nomad90125 pray hard so I can become president and pass the law 😜
if u come to netherlands u can be who u are whit out all silly usless rules
Haha I see. Netherlands is definitely more liberal (freedom) than Indonesia.
@@Hendra23155 never park your car in front somebody else his house it can bring u mad faces hahahhaha
@@Hendra23155 never break into the sound sythem of the mosk and stream on the rolling stones when azan starts they almost killed me
kayak nya indonesia kejam soal narkoba karena belajar dari sejarah perang opium, di barat kan gak pernah terjadi tuh keruntuhan negara besar gara2 obat, jd mereka haha hehe aja soal narkoba
Mungkin kali ya, saya liat disini beberapa liat narkoba sarana rekreasi dan bener2 kaget gitu aja bisa sampe hukuman mati.
@@Hendra23155 soalnya gak cuma di indonesia aja, di china (obviously), vietnam, singapura, thailand jg gitu.
the number 1 thing not to do in Indonesia: do not travel to Indonesia! I got a self imposed travel ban to Indonesia since January 2023
?? Why??
Don't insult religion, sometimes this topic in public being Toxic
Very true my friend, it’s a no go zone!