Addiction, Delusion, And Awkward Facebook Messages: Inside An MLM
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I grew up Mormon in Utah, where MLMs are HUGE. Lots of LDS stay-at-home moms who have been conditioned from birth with an MLM mindset, since their religion is basically an MLM. When you've been taught "Every member a missionary" your entire life, and taught all sorts of tactics to get your non-Mormon friends to join the church (which incidentally collects 10% of their income, while you get....blessings?), it's a pretty natural transition to recruiting all of your SAHM friends to join your MLM.
I feel this having grown up Mormon as well. 😅
Wow that is a great insight. Very logical conclusions. Gave me much to think about.
Yeah when my father joined the LDS (along with his new wife) I remember thinking it sounded like an exploitative business/pyramid scheme but I didn't know what an MLM was back then. I think they took more than 10% of his income too
Maybe it's not a coincidence that words like "conversion" is are used in marketing lingo?
Grew up Mormon as well and can confirm this. People in my church attempted to recruit me when I was in University and I also saw a lot of people I know get involved as well.
Everyone has to, at some point in their life, encounter one or another MLM for the first time. So educating people about them is a never ending task.
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@Luci Evelyn Monat a year or two ago hit Australia (it's mostly an over-expensive hair care MLM that currently has several lawsuits going about making people's hair fall out). Sad part is, the Aussie side wasn't even its own branch from the U.S. market. Those who joined early in Australia aren't going to be at the top, they had to sign up under a U.S. consultant, so already, a good chunk of the money from whatever they sell or whomever they recruit, is going to fuel their American upline.
But, the whole reason they decided to branch off is because Monat's reputation (both for hair being lost and for being an MLM), meant recruitment had stagnated. The American market was dry. And so...they had to find a new target. My condolences to Australia. But this is the example of how MLM's are not sustainable at play right before our eyes. If each person in an MLM recruited five people, you'd max out the population of the Earth by about rung 13. There isn't infinite growth, especially since the main consumers of the business are the consultants.
@Luci Evelyn That wasn't meant to be condescending, sorry if you read it that way. I think I was more explaining for anyone else who also might read the comments. I'm also rather passionate in my distaste of MLM's, so I can get rather heated, lol. Sorry about the soliloquy.
@Luci Evelyn what was condescending?
At least until we can effectively regulate them. Fighting for regulations is also important.
30:52 "the demographic of people dying of alcoholic liver disease and drinking exponentially more than any other group is women with small children..." well that's a terrifying sentence on multiple levels.
Raising your children with little help is extremely stressful. I ate, other mothers started smoking, them drank. I was far away from family and friends when we started a family, so I only had the help of my husband and it was exhausting. Being a single mother has to be even worse.
@@solidstate9451 Absolutely. I'm sure a stronger support network would decrease this trend.
I will never understand why a woman would want to have children. 🙄
@@jswan312 I will never understand why anybody doesn't love math. But here we are!
That's why I believe in prohibition. Since alcohol is prohibited for muslim in my country, very very small percentage of them die due to alcohol related stuff like drunk driving or liver disease. Though they do die due to diabetes and obesity, since instead of going drinking at night, they go out to eat.
I don't know that this interviewee is as far removed from her exploitative practices and MLM roots as she thinks she is. This was incredibly difficult to watch, but I hope she continues to heal and develop her self-awareness.
She claims she didn't know for years that the girls under her weren't making money, what a bunch of horseshit. No one who makes it to the top for years in one of these can do so and be so oblivious. She saw the winds were changing and decided to get out of the grift and now she gets a book deal. I'd love to see proof she isn't still collecting checks from her downline
I hate MLM weird Facebook messages...like lady I haven't spoken to you in 10 years don't "hey babe" me
How interesting to hear one say 'The group was not super duper religious, but we still had prayer breakfast, thanking God...'. For someone outside US that is super duper religious. Very religious people I know go to church every Sunday and anything more than this is super duper extra trooper religious. Since not very religious people I know visit church only on weddings, funerals, Christmas and Easter.
What’s a little ironic, and I say this as someone who super duper religious, my religious beliefs are why I would never need to seek community within an MLM.
Oh to clarify: my church is not super infused with MLMs. (One person I can think of but that’s it.)
Totally off topic: I have no idea how to pronounce your name, but just by looking at the spelling of it, it looks really cool. 😊
And, totally on topic: as a US citizen, I *do not* like how overzealous certain religious peoples have become here. Mainly Evangelicals & Fundamentalists, and Christian Nationalists. *They frighten me.*
The way some religious groups want to completely erase Separation of Church & State, and the ones who have been slowly stripping away civil & human rights from others, is disgusting and heartbreaking.
I was raised Christian, and while I don’t really identify with the religion anymore (and also flat out reject the indoctrination), I still respect & revere Jesus as the teacher of ultimate love, empathy, and compassion that he was.
And not for *ONE SECOND* do I believe that he would support any of the zealots I speak out against. I think he’d be utterly ashamed of them, honestly.
Lastly, as someone who’d unfortunately been suckered into MLM’s (Plexus and Mary Kay- twice for MK 😩) there’s definitely an injection of religion in them. Especially Mary Kay. When getting business cards made through MK, you have the option of having “God First, Family Second, Business Third” printed on them. Lots of “god talk”, lots of “prosperity gospel” bullshit peppered in.
I *REALLY* hate that last one. It’s so harmful & predatory towards very vulnerable people. Pastors who preach that should be deeply ashamed of themselves. That’s one of the *least* “Jesus-approved” things I can think of.
@@brittanygancarz2475 I’m really glad to read that your beliefs stop you from getting involved in any of that MLM crud. Christianity has really been woven into MLM culture, and it’s so predatory, and just plain fake! I think it was Chelsea who said it in the video, but I’m like 110% positive Jesus could not care less about MLM’s!! I believe he’d speak out against it.
When I was 20 I was a single mom of a 1 year old and was the perfect target for an mlm. I didn't know anything about them, so when I encountered one I was like oh this sounds great! When the breakdown was happening I was like "oh like a pyramid!" (Completely naive to their legality) The guy freaked out and was like no no no, and then somehow that made my spidey senses tingle. Well, before signing up I tried bringing in a friend and when we left he broke down the sales tactics and so I ultimately didn't join it and I'm forever grateful to him
I know a lot of “huns” but I’m not a poster I’m a lurker on social media so I’ve never had the “hey hun” message but on Mat leave I was doing my daily walk outside and a car stopped right next to me and ask me if I was looking for extra income whilst off with baby.. was really pushy about having a talk with me but I managed to get them away by saying I’d take a card and think about it. It was so surreal
Thanks for bringing more awareness. I feel this women was in the MLM for as long as it was benefiting her . She was fully aware that her recruits were not making money and the damage it was causing and chose to keep up the with the lies and manipulation cause she did not want to be affected I m not buying that she was disillusioned by the MLM at all she clearly is an intelligent women enough to oversee all those recruits and con them she knew what was up . She cut and run when sh-t was going to hit the fan (Plato) and left those recruits hanging.
all interesting, but a little ironic that in the middle of all these scams directed at women there is an ad for shopping...
Can't say I'd buy her book as I think she has made enough money now from MLM related activities but it was an interesting discussion to listen to.
Am I the only one that has a feeling that she does not answer the questions ? Seriously I can't sympathise with her, she must have known what she was doing at some point.
@@emilypaulson this doesn’t help; it makes it look like you just want to money with your book...
@@valivali8104 I agree 100%. She made money were she was. Now she wants to make money from her book. I don't know why I get the feeling something is "fishy" there in all deminer. Seriously I cannot place my finger where is
So if she made millions off the MLM and feels that she exploited people, did she return the money to her victims? How has she made amends for her abusive and exploitive behavior. You’ve brought up this line of thinking in other videos, and here was a chance to directly ask those questions! But you didn’t…
Yeah, the irony of her now selling a book about her experience…
@@tasyarodz It was not enough she earned in this MLM, she has to earn more money...
This whole video is really skeevy and I'm very disappointed in Chelsea for doing this interview. With the exception of "retiring the husband" none of this information is new, and at no point does this person express remorse for how much damage she caused, how she predated upon others and made millions, and I don't believe for a second that she didn't grasp what she was doing. And I know everyone needs to get paid, but The Financial Diet is doing ads for SaksOffFifth now, being a mouthpiece for an entire shopping model that tries to push inferior product to shoppers who are fooled by thinking that it must be Saks--it's no different than a TJ Maxx, Marshalls, Burlington, or similar. You're not going to find great deals on luxury goods: you're going to find inferior goods with a downmarket branding.
Remorse would mean donating the money she made. I also agree that Saks isn't a great company to be promoting because it's not an alternative to the textile manufacturing status quo that exploits workers and the environment.
This was such a good episode - talking about the dangers of MLM, talking about mom wine culture, talking about the systemic defects that aren't supporting moms/women/families
Many years ago before the internet I was invited to and attended many home “parties” selling everything from jewelry , home decor , make-up etc. I did begin to realize the more alcohol served the longer people stayed and more products people bought. 😮 I have a vague memory of Oprah doing a segment on this where some husbands wanted to sue the hosts of these parties who got their wives drunk and subsequently bought hundreds of $’s worth of crap!
I have been to perhaps 15-25 of those in life, not a single one had alcohol served.
"The reason I didn't look into crypto is it seemed like a pyramid scheme." Sounds to me like you understand crypto just fine.
I consider crypto more as gambling...
A couple job interviews turned out to be sales recruiting. After a bank's financial advice wing hit a group of us with a personal testimony that stressed that anyone who didn't join the sales team was stupid, I turned to my host, holding my portfolio of writing and design, and calmly asked, "You don't have an on-site marketing support position to fill, do you?"
She atones for nothing, tries to sell us a new book, goes with a victim narrative, and you are giving her a platform to do that.
Thank you!!! I just about fell over when she said she had no idea the girls under her weren't making money. What a joke.
I was looking for this comment. Sounds like a natural progression out of the MLM in a way in which she can still cash in. Very disingenuous and zero self reflection (at best).
I absolutely hate the idea of unintentionally invalidating someone who has been truly victimized by an MLM. But I'm NGL this comment is kind of a 🚩🚩🚩. This is exactly the type of thing that MLMs would pose as a regular person to comment in response to someone speaking out. Because that's what ab*sers do. They work very hard to shift blame and discredit anyone who calls them out.
Sure, this woman didn't directly come out and say “I was wrong for recruiting others”. But she definitely didn't lean too much into the victim narrative either. There were plenty of indirect acknowledgements of her role presented in the context of her actual experience within a system that's literally designed to gaslight and otherwise manipulate victims into being confused about the reality of the situation.
The decision to speak out in order to advocate and educate is, in itself, an act of atonement. One that's much more impactful than simply saying “Yeah, I shouldn't have recruited ppl. My bad.” without any action. Direct apologies without any meaningful action are most commonly motivated by a desire to save face, rather than a genuine sense of remorse and accountability.
Advocacy and education are labor and people deserve to be compensated for their labor. The fact that she “pitched” her book here does not indicate that she's solely looking to make money off of her experience. Every author on this channel gets their book mentioned. That's standard practice across media outlets.
The fact that she invested the labor into writing an educational book regarding MLMs is also not akin to former MLM-distributors who exploit their MLM experience to make money other ways. Those people quietly step away from the MLM in order to continue capitalizing directly off of the following that they built while distributing for the MLM. Speaking out against the MLM discredits their influence, so they frame their departure as moving on “from a great company!” in order to pursue some other avenue. Most commonly becoming regular influencers, starting their own product lines, or literally starting their own MLMs.
Comments planted by MLMs exploit the slowly growing awareness that some distributors intentionally continue capitalizing off of their following by conflating anti-MLM activism with a new business venture. That's exactly what this comment is doing. (1/4)
But allow me to elaborate on the idea of placing the blame onto anyone who actively recruits, especially those with significant downlines:
Let me start off by saying that I have never been involved with an MLM. I just study them along with similar systems, like cults and narcotics cartels.
This disclosure is important for two reasons. One, this response isn't coming from a place of defensiveness. I am emotionally disconnected from the experience of bringing others into a harmful system.
And, more importantly, I am emotionally disconnected from the experience of being exploited by an MLM system.
Emotional detachment allows me to postulate about each perspective within these systems, but I cannot (currently) fully comprehend the pain and trauma of the experience. If your (anyone who reads this comment) anger towards upline members is the result of being victimized by an MLM, whether currently or formerly, I am unimaginably sorry that that happened to you. You did not deserve to be exploited and ab*sed.
Regardless of who you are or what types of values that you held or currently hold, it's not fair that this has happened to you. That's one of two primary reasons why I chose to study such systems. Understanding is crucial to (hopefully) dismantling such systems and (again, hopefully) preventing similar systems from forming in the future. (2/4)
The other primary reason is to (hopefully) prevent victims of these systems from being further victimized under the guise of accountability and justice. An obsession with “justice” is prevalent across many subcultures in the United States and, unfortunately, this obsession often casts victims as perpetrators.
The true perpetrators often further exploit this obsession with justice by wilfully shifting the blame onto adjacent scapegoats. The true perpetrators of MLMs actively work to shift the blame and focus onto anyone who successfully recruited others, particularly those with expensive down lines.
This isn't to say that anger towards uplines is invalid. All emotions are valid, that's the nature of emotions as internal experiences. But perception, particularly in the context of intensely negative emotions, can be flawed. The perception that those who recruited others are perpetrators who are simply playing the victim is flawed. It's little more than further manipulation and exploitation from the true perpetrators.
People with predominantly antisocial personalities (ie those who would run their own MLMs, if given the opportunity) can be found within the distributor ranks. But that's only because these people can be found in every area of society. They gravitate towards positions of power, but they're not exclusive to positions of power. Nor are power positions exclusively made up of people who are high in antisocial personality traits.
The vast majority of MLM top earners are there solely because they joined during the early days of the “company”. They experienced the same manipulation and ab*se that the lower levels were subjected to. But they experienced it for a much longer duration and much more intensely than those at the bottom. The longer you're subjected to ab*se, the more intense it becomes and the more difficult it is to recover from. So, despite the fact that they *may have* made a decent amount of money rather than losing money, they are still victims of a ruthless system and they paid a substantial amount in non-financial terms.
The idea that recruiters must have known better, but chose to act out of malice is only accurate in terms of the relatively small percentage of MLM participants whose personalities are predominantly antisocial. The much more common scenario is one where the MLM exploits the recruiter’s empathy while simultaneously working to manipulate the recruiter into believing that they are happier with the company than they actually are.
That's why it's almost universally framed as “you are a bad person if you fail to share this wonderful opportunity with others”. The displays of wealth and luxury that can only be obtained via a massive downline play to people with more antisocial personality types, while the guilt of failing to bring others into this potentially for wealth and luxury is plays to the much more common predominantly prosocial personality types. (3/4)
Ahhh so early today! Listening to these MLM videos is like rubber necking, both macabre but strangely irresistible. Thanks for the great content!
So good.
I think we need to call MLM’s what they are: the long con.
The products are never open market competitive, and it’s about selling the idea not the product.
The fact that ex-con artists are positioning themselves as naifs is a wee bit disingenuous, though.
My parents had a friend try to con them on Amway when I was 9 and I could smell a rat.
I have a kneejerk dislike of this stuff.
I have also done cold calling for banking and it’s not easy, so it takes a special con artist soul to sell junk products and buy-ins on a no-win situation.
Chelsea is imo rocking a distinctly "Cate Blanchett in Tár" kind of look (minus the glasses) and I'm here for it.
I always love hearing anti-MLM content. A great channel to get more insight into how awful MLM's are and to hear them from first-hand experiences is Hannah Alonzo's channel. I like how empathetic she is, even to those who were in deep with an MLM. We congratulate those who've gotten out. If you have an MLM horror story, or if you've recently seen something MLM related that stuck out to you (a social media post or video, news about an MLM, etc), she welcomes those for her horror story and top fails videos.
It doesn't feel like drama and it's not to stir up controversy (though you know you've made it when you have huns in the comments doing their damndest to prove you wrong), but to pick apart the predatory practices and contradictions of MLM's (and yes, most of the hun's arguments when backed into a corner end up devolving into "Well, that's just your opinion!", despite the factual numbers to show our "opinion" 🤦🏾♀️. My suggestion is to not engage with them, you only drive them into their MLM further. We just hope they'll see the light eventually).
She already has over 160 videos, and they got progressively longer as she went, so if you need a good binge, her videos are perfect.
When Isagenix tore through my regional Australian town *shudder* … absolutely LOVE this woman’s honesty, wow. Thank you for sharing your story so openly 😊
Ooooh a Sak’s sponsorship, so chic!
But the affordable Saks. It couldn’t be more on brand
I tried to delicately tell my MIL that her business venture was an MLM with a shady product. She clearly didn't listen and lost a bunch of money and living hours.
Very interesting to hear the perspective of someone who was actually successful in an MLM but still saw their destructive nature and was able to get out!
Loved this book! Appreciate the honest, funny and self aware narrative. I saw some negative comments here and just wanted to reiterate Emily was preyed upon too, she just was successful prey. She owns that and has made money when others did not.
It is all hyped up to make people feel like they are missing out so it a convincing people to join whatever MLM company it is. I am 65 years old in 1983 I went to and Amway big meeting with thousands of people came in person I said to myself I am to shy I did not want that kind of spot light so I join but did nothing what made me join was my love for my relative was the only reason but I did nothing. after joining Amway. I notice many MLM are just like that special elite groups look a special way and I did not have any sales experience and I felt to weird to try sell to any one I knew and I knew a lot of people I came from family with 12 brothers and sisters not to mention all of my 6 aunts 8 uncles 150 cousins and many other relatives. So, that was my experience. I did not last even 3 months. I am glad I never recruited anyone. Thank You for this video.
really, really enjoyed this guest. she doesn't deflect responsibility and recognizes how she and other could justify / reconcile their decisions. she also brought a lot of info i'd never even thought about (the retiring your spouse concept is h o r r i f y i n g) and the privilege of having a working and financially stable spouse in a scam that targets single / vulnerable women (FUCKING EW). thank you for asking amazing questions as well, Chelsea~!
Thank you!
I had heard of "retiring your husband" (I hate that phrase)...I did not know it meant him joining the MLM, too 😖😖😖
Some interesting points raised. America is one of the few countries in the western world where there's no universal legal right to paid maternity leave, let alone paid paternity leave. Paid vacation entitlement also lags well behind many other countries, particularly in Europe. So much is talked about family values in the USA, and yet nothing does more to undermine families than the American economic system.
This woman doesn't seem to have empathy, calling your financial life devastated by an MLM deemed an "oopsie"...
Thank you for this refreshing conversation about the reality (read: financial danger) experienced by most MLM-particpants. I also appreciated the frank discussion about alcohol and mommy wine culture. Can't wait to read this book!
So impressed with this interview, can’t wait to read her book
Thanks Chelsea
Awesome video and topic. Pregnancy autonomy would be a good series, these topics are overlooked.
The target mom, Starbucks, minivan, coach bag, ball cap, Ugg boots…..those who whine about “me time”🙄
Im embarrassed to say that I got caught up in MLM about 18-20 years ago. I didn’t get very far with it -duh! I remember sitting frozen by my phone in the evening trying to get up the nerve to cold call people. It ended up costing me about $2000 plus plane fare and hotel for trip or two to a big meeting for rah rah sessions of which Tony Robbins spoke . I never actually signed anyone up but got caught up in the hype.
I did dumb things in my youth, too. But MLMs aren't a big thing in Germany.
Not buying the trash book or feeling any sympathy for a woman who made millions off of scamming and exploiting other women.
Even though she’s actively trying to make up for the damage she’s done and trying to help other people avoid them?
Congrats on 1 million subscribers
TFD HIT ONE MILLY!!!!!! HEAR, HEAR!
The countless female friends you haven’t talked to since grade, middle and high school who find you on social media to “reconnect” via messaging you to ask you to buy pyramid scene products...then you get smart and start checking out their profiles before accepting their friend request to find out if their pages are full of the MLM shit. One of the qualifications for these “jobs” seems to be having at least 3 kids and a planning on procreating more. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I don’t buy anything she’s saying. I feel like she knew what she was doing in a first place and noticed a shift in culture so when it was not financially viable she switched sides to sell her book instead.
41:36 we are all Chelsea when Emily defined “retire your spouse”
I'm getting an Ad for the body shop on this video. The irony!
It is so great to have this insight!
I'm watching this so I don't buy her book. Thank you, TFD!
A great video, again. 🙂
The MLM i was in was like an alcohol-free zone.
This was am eye opening podcast for me. I realized some things after listening to this nice lady. Thank you for your time. Looking forward to reading your book. 😊
I’m confused how a woman so smart let herself get into this so deep. Surely she quickly understood it was nothing but predatory
Everyone can be tricked and scammed. Remembering that is best defense, since you are both less likely to fall into scam and it’s easy to seek help and report if you fall but realize that you felt into scam.
If you think that you can’t be scammed, you aren’t as careful and will unconsciously use every bias and fallacy to not admit that you were tricked. No matter how smart you are.
@@valivali8104 she wasn't the one being scammed, she made millions of dollars. SHE was the one scamming people and she acts like she didn't know
@@LexiLadonna where did you get millions of dollars?
Everyone who falls into these scams try to get others to join, because higher-ups manipulate them to think that hunbot-behavior is normal and good. If you do research, even by just watching good documents about MLMs, you'll realize how people can be tricked to join into toxic groups and scams and manipulated to do horrible things.
I understand why she seems like just scammer, not victim who was tricked to scam others, but with no good evidence calling her scammer isn’t fair.
@@valivali8104 “where did you get millions of dollars” - I think Chelsea says so in the beginning
@@freshfreshfreshfresh can you tell when? Even estimate?
She stayed for far too long knowing how bad it was... And smiling whilst talking about how bad it was, especially against other religions? Super super gross.
She has a bit of the “church lady voice”… I know it well because of my sister. Who is Baptist and made powerless by that male dominated church. I suspect a lot of women do this because they want to feel some empowerment. Too bad it’s at the cost of almost all of them.
I love her podcast!
So... is capitalism itself an MLM?
Yes! That's a very 2023 way to say what socialist thinkers in the early 1900s were saying. There were a few very famous illustrations/political cartoons from this period that show exactly on that sentiment by organizing the capitalistic societal structure into a pyramid. The largest group is and will always be the working poor, and they're at the bottom. The smallest is and will always be the ultra-wealthy at the top. If you're interested in seeing the illustrations, search for something like "Pyramid of Capitalist System."
No, in capitalism you get a salary.
No. That's socialism.
@@brucheweinberger6863 Socialism isn't an MLM 😂
@@SarahlovesSerge Neither is capitalism. But if the comparison to MLM to economic systems, then Communism is it.
Love love love 🎉thé blazer, Chelsea.
The low point is the way in for all the wellness bs too, and historically we have fallen for it, the saint’s creation myth, I just hear it as a creation myth now and see thru the bs. I did have CFS when I was younger for about 10 years and fell for a lot of those stories back then. Makes me so annoyed now I can see thru it and see people falling for it.
The conversation about the intersection between MLMs and Christianity was interesting because in my experience with MLM, it didn’t overlap with religion. Just wanted to say that MLM isn’t always religious.
Oh, yeah, MLM isn't always religious. I think what people are saying about MLMs and religion usually comes down to:
1) In MLMs people are told to recruit people in their social networks and some people turn toward their network at church to do that, because it's a place they know people beyond close friendships
2) and I don't at all fault religious people for missing this one: the focus on Belief in MLMs, where the MLM might not be religious at all but they will use the ways of talking that religious organizations use (this is why people sometimes call MLMs cults) and because people who ARE religious are use to that sort of way of talking about and focusing on Belief as a concept might not notice it as much and/or might be more susceptible to it because it seems familiar in some way to them
Oh yeah, not always. It's not inherently baked into the nature of an MLM. But, when church-going people join MLMs, the social circle they often wind up selling and recruiting in is their church friends. And then those church friends do the same thing with their church friends. And next thing you know, your church group is full of MLM ladies talking about how God has answered their prayers through the MLM.
(Also worth noting, the sales tactics that are frequently taught to sales consultants in MLMs are weirdly similar to the evangelizing tactics that are frequently taught to members of evangelical churches.)
Additionally, some of the largest and oldest MLMs have their basis in religious areas or lean into religion. Amway, Mary Kay, and LuLaRoe come to mind. Many of them are popular in more rural areas or former industrial towns, which tend be more socially conservative and religious.
Where have you experienced MLM's? I can't think of a single person who hosted a party or messaged me that wasn't from my religious circle. So I'm really curious where else they tend to happen!
@@sunflowervibes3041 MLMs are very prevalent in the first generation immigrant communities because when there’s a language barrier, even doctors from overseas need to work as waiters in restaurants. It’s very easy to recruit people when they’re desperate and see no other options to earn money.
While this was informative and I managed to make it through the entire episode by occupying myself with the comments, I feel the overall message would be more effective if given by an interview with one of the many, many #antimlm creators on RUclips who did NOT make it to the top of their MLM, who perhaps lost tens of thousands of dollars in one or more MLMs. There are many who, instead of trying to make millions by selling a book that capitalizes on how they previously made piles of money on the backs of others in their MLM, are now trying to use social media to educate vulnerable people on the predatory aspects of MLMs. This interview was pretty much an ad for her second book.
I mean….I think it’s also good to get the perspective of some one who was successful in the MLM and were able to get out. It really shows that being successful and having a lot of money doesn’t make you fell happy or fulfilled. Like how in this case being in an MLM worsened her alcoholism.
It seems disingenuous to promote someone who made money and was successful in an MLM knowing that those in her downlines were hurt by her recruiting them. I'd rather hear from someone who wasn't successful and found their way out, and who isn't trying to promote interest in their book.
There are many incredibly well spoken anti-MLM RUclipsrs that report on what is going on in this industry that are trying to get the word out and warn others about MLMs and their predatory nature that would be excellent guests.
I hear what you're saying, but I do think it's also nice to hear from people who were successful in MLMs about why they're bad. I personally know a few people who have done really well in MLMs (one of them recruited me), and it's very hard to convince them that the MLM is a problem when it's working well for them. They need to hear from people like this who were also doing well but who were nonetheless disillusioned.
She admits that the advice she was giving her downlines was the same advice that she was following. It didn't work for them but it worked for her. No one can be successful in an MLM without recruiting others into it. This guest at some point had to realize what she was doing to others and continued to do it. It's disgusting to take advantage of others like that.
MLM's did already exist in the 1920s
1M!
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More money = god loves you -> God loved Al Capone, Pablo Escobar, Joaquín Guzmán Loera, Lucky Luciano, Harvey Weinstein, ...
Can’t wait for you to unpack “best seller list”
I can't take this victim mentality from a woman who made millions of dollars from taking advantage of other women. SHE was the predator, not the victim. You're just giving her a platform to promote her book. There are plenty of other people who could have these same discussions and insights who didn't profit from these disgusting schemes.
But then again I'm sure using a someone who was controversial was a calculated move on your part to drive engagement...
I so agree
Don’t you think it’s possible that she’s trying to redeem herself? That she maybe wants to atone for the bad things she’s done?
Whenever they mention "retiring" their spouse, it makes me think of their spouse as a racehorse or something. So weird.
Hey Chelsea, I have to point out that you're wrong about the social aspect. Most crypto socializing goes on through Discord servers and closed communities. Coffeezilla has pointed this out repeatedly using evidence.
Interesting interview. I won’t buy her book, let alone her pre-sale pitch.
Speaking of pre order and books, Chelsea where can we get yours?
I know its not a pre order as you've already written it but I cant find it anywhere
Whoa whoa, I'm into crypto. But I buy and sell on my own (I didn't join any pyramid scheme nor do I know anyone in my circle who does). I buy my own crypto and I have it sitting and staked (like a savings account it earns 14.5% -ATOM using a ledger). If you do this on your own without anyone associated with it and with your own research, I think it's ok. BUT if you join an MLM and they sell you crypto, that's a big NO! They scam you right off the bat.
I tried. I tried listening to this whole thing. Impossible
Liked and shared! 🎉
Congras on 1m sub🎉
The upspeak is maddening
Oh FFS
Maybe if you're not an expert in psychiatry you should interview one instead of putting misinformation out there. Where is the scientific evidence that there is a correlation between overconsumption of alcohol and use of antidepressants?
Regarding crypto you dont seem to have good educational understanding of what it is. People in Venezuela survived on this due to their failed economy.... Banks is printing money and creating inflation.... Btc is not about "making money"..... Satoshi Nakamoto did not intend that.,,,, read the damn white paper or watch Andreas Antonopoulus talks...
I think crypto was mischaracterized in this video. It's a high-risk investment vehicle that needs better regulation, but even after the prices dropped, it's still beating the market compared to five years ago. There are definitely some scams out there, and a lot of people unfortunately lost money chasing the bitcoin highs. But if you only use money you won't need to access for several years, it's worth considering. Major investment firms and governments hold crypto, so I don't think it's going away anytime soon. A lot of young men seem fascinated by it and get social value from discussing it, but what distinguishes it from an MLM is that you don't rely on selling your friends product to make money.
Partially agree that It's mischaracterized. At the same time, Ponzi scheme seems more apt for crypto, especially DeFi. High risk investment vehicle at best, which sucks cause the initial premise of crypto was that it was a new currency (but it sucks at being currency).
A LOT of projects in the DeFi space (I'm betting most or all) involve the premise the end product/service will go up in value or earning "yield".
That "yield" could legit from from new buyers into the project. Or it comes from lending to someone, who in turn lends to someone, who in turn lends to someone, and so on... with no real economic activity other than selling a product or service that's supposed to go up in value. Pure ponzinomics.
@Chukuemeka Oje Yikes, I'm not familiar with DeFi and wasn't aware of how widespread this was. I will say my experience with crypto as a "HODL"er has been largely positive.
@@EmilyCarrollCello Completely understandable; a lot of people have had a positive experience and crypto has bounced back even stronger after each crash.
But yeah, the fact that the advice is to "HODL" is a problem for something that is pitched as something better than fiat currencies. Why does on HODL? What does one do when they get to their preferred investment goal?
Also... people make money in ponzi schemes all the time (and not just the creator of the scheme). Early adopters/those who get in/get out early.
My biggest problem with crypto is that almost everything to do with crypto is supposed to go up in value (especially the product or service). And because it functions like an investment (instead of money) you constantly need new people to jump in.
Play-To-Earn games are the best example of what might happen when you ponzify an industry.
Irresponsible. Not every MLM is “taking your money”.
Which one do you distribute for? 😂
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