"I was a victim, but I was also a perpetrator." So refreshing to see that kind of honesty about what these schemes do to people, even those with good intentions. Thank you for your story, Josie, and thank you Chelsea for the honest conversation!
You're not truly a perpetrator. You were abused, gaslight. They make you feel shame and guilt while in reality it was never your fault to begin with. Probably if you knew back then what you know now, you had left straight away, wouldn't you? That says everything about it ;)
That's the accountability we need more of in every situation. We may do things that may be due to various reasons but it's accepting the role we played and how we contributed regardless of intent.
@@divinadivina2017 Greed and not listening to your doubts makes you a perpetrator. Yes, in the beginning you are a victim. But as soon as you feel the pressure and that something isn't right you should not continue pulling others into the same awkward feeling. It is easy to only be a victim. People who stay longer and go up the line are victims AND perpetrators. They are all adults and should take their part of responsibility. MLMs can only exist because of vulnerable people AND people who are greedy and want a lavish livestyle. Of course a lot of people join because they are in a bad financial situation, but there are a lot of others too. I know some of them. They are doing ok but want more. Noone is forcing anyone to want a mercedes or pool or any other luxury.
So happy to see Josie as a guest on TFD! As a former one- percenter in MLM myself, I can relate to everything Josie says... She's a strong voice in the movement to expose the MLM lie. I so admire Josie's courage and articulate message.
I can see how she would've become so successful in MLMs. She has a fantastic personality and seems like the kind of person who could have a conversation with literally anyone.
My mom is a regular social butterfly with a pretty big circle of friends and acquaintances. She could be a successful MLM hun if she were so inclined, but thankfully, she isn't so inclined.
MLMs ruin normal friendships. Nothing worst than a friend involved in one, try to get you involved and then get pissed when you don't because they feel like you're not supporting them.
When my friend was in one of them, I told her that I didn't feel comfortable purchasing products from the mlm company but instead her paintings/art. Maybe that approach may help others too, with friends thinking they don't support them
I had a friend who joined an MLM after she moved back to her hometown. I wanted to be a supportive friend and so I bought the stuff she was selling, joined a group call (more like recruiting call), and attended one of their “parties”. Every time she would message me it was all she would talk about and would always try to convince me to join even after I already told her multiple times that it is not something I wanted to do. I eventually just stopped talking to her after that.
I agree with you, i did support and now she wants more support by asking me to recruit my friends/co-workers, i say no because i would not sacrifice my relation with them through manipulative tactics...so that os where i draw the line, and now she feels im not supportive :(
This was by far my favourite episode. Having left a fundamentalist cult myself it's so important to speak out about those experiences and the types of brainwashing they use.
I was briefly in an MLM, and for me it was hard to say anything critical because they had all really drunk the Kool Aid. And honestly, the woman who recruited me really HAD made a good amount of money from it, and the woman who recruited her made a whole lot more, and the woman who recruited her made a whole, whole lot more. So they were experiencing the "success" and couldn't really believe that those of us at the bottom couldn't make out as well as they had. And frankly I couldn't bring myself to really try because the recruiting and sales tactics they tried to teach us felt so icky and disingenuous. I did like the products, and with the MLM in question, you were NOT expected to buy a bunch of stuff up front that you then had to turn around and sell off. But it was still overpriced and the payout was smaller than it really should have been. I couldn't help but think that if I put the same amount of time and effort into a regular, hourly pay side job, I would probably make more money, and it would be more reliable money. So I bowed out.
With lower income countries MLMs have been in the system so long *everyone* is wiser about it. Social media recruitment has made it much more aggressive but we all had mothers and grandmothers who lost money some decades ago so we are all very cautious. I suspect MLM's growth in the West is a testament to how much things have deteriorated in social welfare there.
My experience from an MLM was the classic "You get to be your own boss. You get to set your hours around what works for you and your family" but then also being given a sales target that is completely unsustainable if you don't work consistently. I called them out on this and was told to suck it up or get out. I got out.
I see a lot of parallels between MLMs, the casino industry and the crypto market - all prey on people's legitimate problems by offering them a bogus solution.
@@ravenknight4876, well, you lose less gambling, but it's known that you can't make a living.... Imagine if casinos had tons of examples of people making 5000 or even 50,000 a month.....
Josie was the 1st person that was the top 1% of MLM & left. Then came out & talked about it. She does amazing job. I believe what she contributes is even if you reach that top 1% which is rare, why it's still bad. I think some people may think, it might be hard to reach that 1% but once I do, my life would be great. I will work really hard & reach that 1%. what she shows is that even if you do , it's not worth it,stressful, & you can lose it at any time. which I would hope would change a person's mind in joining. Watching her videos and her documentaries you can see how much skill and professionalism she has. Very intelligent. That also proves it doesn't matter who you are, or how smart you are. If you are in a vulnerable place an MLM can put their hooks into you. (I think in any cult like group that I'd true.).
In my 20s when I worked in retail or other low wage jobs, I dabbled in MLMs as a way to earn a higher income. I tried Avon, MaryKay, Priamerica, a travel booking MLM, and nutrition shake one similar to Herbalife. I did not do well in any of these endeavors and thought it was that I was a poor salesperson and didn’t work hard enough.It didn’t dawn on me that MLMs are scams and don’t operate as a honest business venture. I’m at a place where I’m financially stable and would never consider a MLM as a business opportunity now that I know how predatory they are.
One thing I am really proud of myself is - at the age of 17, year 2012 - an MLM tried to recruit me but I could somehow read through it and understand it was a scam. Even though I couldn't pin point what it was, I knew it was fishy. Glad my instincts worked that day. That company even charged us to attend their 'sales session' lol. They marketed it as independent entrepreneurship and how to build your business.
I was in a health MLM very briefly. I was preyed on by so many people that would friend me on my beauty channel asking me if I’d like to join their boot camp to lose weight. Being as that I had put on weight over the pandemic and gyms were closed I caved. The coach I had was so sweet until I started skipping my workouts to work on my Accounting deadlines. I will never forget getting Covid, and her telling me you don’t get results if you don’t show up for yourself. Like what!! It was so eye opening when I told her I had Covid and I wasn’t going to be buying the next boot camp package or promoting selling it. She literally did not reply and left me on read. It was damaging to my self esteem and triggered my eating disorder being on the strict portion control containers. I still occasionally check on her, and now she is making tic tics trying to recruit nurses (she was an RN) to her MLM. She goes over all the crappy ways nurses get treated and why would anyone put up with it when you can be like her making $$ while on a beach chilling. I have to wonder how problematic that is for our health care system to lose so many health care providers to MLM schemes. 🤔 Especially when there’s shortages of nurses ect already.
I still have products I bought that we’re going to help me get the shredded body of my dreams. It was such a waste of money because I hated the taste of them, and many are high in sugar content which is not good for my health problems.
Hey, dont feel hit in your selfesteem. I was in it as a distributor but never used the products to achieve my goals. What opened my eyes is a weekend event I went to when I realised I was in a cult. Like you I was preyed on and my friend got me into it. They use guilt to make you feel worthless, it's a cult technique. It's really a blessing in disguise that she was rude, belive me. I lost my friend in the MLM, were no longer friends but I feel so liberated and relieved I am out :)
@@ct9914 Thanks. It does leave you feeling so icky to know you’ve been used. But I’m glad we both had experiences of being treated rudely in a way that made us see it for what it is. I have just a few close friends now, and they are 💯 not MLM pushers. I don’t even reply to ppl that dm me and push MLM’s on me now. Not even to say no, I just block them or mute their pages.
Chelsea, you gave us a great take on faith manipulation in MLM that I didn't know before. It turns out that tropes from evangelical Christianity have been co-opted by many industries, not only MLM
Thank you so much for the invitation, TFD! For anyone in need of resources after leaving a cult-like organization, I highly recommend: *Books:* Combating Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan, Troublemaker by Leah Remini, & The Witness Wore Red by Rebecca Musser. *Podcasts:* A Little Bit Culty, Scientology: Fair Game, & Born Again Again. *RUclips:* Dr. Tracey Marks, Doctor Ramani, & TheraminTrees.
I was in a (what I believe to be) MLM for 9 months in Brooklyn selling VZ fios door to door. Super toxic. Male dominated. Very sexist. Aggressive recruiting. Big promises no payout. Crazy long hours. 6 days a week but constantly shamed if you took Sunday off. It was the worst thing ever and I became so brainwashed that when I would interview others I def felt like the perpetrator. They recruited young low income people and were promised the millionaire life on an entrepreneur. I was making no money at all for 80+ hour weeks. Tons of gas lighting. They denied they were an MLM but it was very culty. After someone left we were not allowed to say their name no matter how close friends we were / are with them. They taught us leaders a script on how to manipulate these young kids if their parents wanted them to quit. Leaving was the best decision I ever made!!
this sounds like the "slave circle" business model. Do a search on RUclips and there's some pretty interesting information on these kinds of companies. They're not straight MLM in the conventional sense but they are very scammy and manipulative.
I can really relate to this coming out of an abusive workplace as a mental health paraprofessional. “Don’t you wanna help people?” is a huge manipulation tactic.
I started watching Josie’s channel not too long after she started making anti-MLM content on RUclips and was really excited to see her name in the thumbnail of this video!
This is gold. Always wondered what the 1%ers life was like in the MLM because if you go down the hypothetical road of market saturation of MLM the distributors on the bottom will always be miserable
I lost a lot of money in MLM in my late teens... and I remember feeling a struggle with charging people with money the owed me. Specially the people that hide from you. Till this day, is something I don't like and I thought I just can't be a salesperson. But as an educator and psychologist, I don't have a problem teaching or motivating or trying to convince, because in these scenarios I am trying to make a difference vs. MLMs where I was just trying to profit with products that most I didn't even believe in them. Now I am a sucker for subscriptions- but even though you get incentives for referrals, you don't depend on referrals and is still a loosing game because I end up with a lot of products I dont need. So compplicated! but thanks for the video
I used to work at a local health shop And one of my customers was a real estate agent who was invested in multiple MLM companies. She really liked me and how I was big on natural health. And she like my sale style. Which was always to just use facts and not try to bombard people, but to just present them with information and let them make decisions. She actually flew me to Louisville Kentucky For convention and completely covered my food and flight. It turns out that this convention was a Pep rally. It was so weird and hookie. Everyone was mumbling their new Age i aM statements. I seriously felt like I was in loony house. It was hard to connect with anyone because most of the people were super excited and weird and they just didn't seem genuine. There was one guy I connected with who is actually a millionaire from The company and he was a little different because he seemed more genuine. But other than that, he was still drinking mccoolid.
Except Reddit is good. It's not a braggy, look-at-me selfie culture like Instagram or TikTok. Reddit actually makes you think Yeah, a couple news aggregators too...despite everything...
Hairstylists I feel like are always getting convinced into mlms. When I was in hair school they’d tell us we’d never be successful if we weren’t also having a side hustle while working 14 hrs, 6 days a week. Hustle culture is so prevalent it was almost shameful not to be working and mlm too.
You can side hustle and not do MLM’s. 14 hrs, 7 days a week is how most wealthy live. The only people I know that stop after 8 hours are poor or some very rare indirect family members to extreme wealth.
@@lijohnyoutube101 the reason why poor people stop after 8 hours is because they cannot afford to work bonebreaking jobs 14 hours a day for their health (as josie told in the Video, the long working hours worsened her existing health problems) or they dabble in kids, which is a side-hustle all on its own without getting paid. And do not tell me the rich people do that too, for they have nannies and people that clean after them and often enough money to go out eating every day. They simply do not need to do as much work at home because they can simply pay others to do that work for them. Next thing you can come home to early is care for the elderly parents. So much to do for poor people that can just be bought away if you have that kind of money.
@@lijohnyoutube101 hi. No. The majority of wealthy people do not work 14 hours a day. Wage-slaves work multiple jobs, have erratic hours and NO savings. Healthcare is tied to employment. Executive pay is Bloated. Executive pay is tied to short term- Quarterly- earnings. Please do not perpetuate the lie that working more leads to wealth. Because, you are saying, poor Americans just don't work hard enough, when the truth is; Americans aren't paid enough. In the U.S., the class you are born in, is the class you will die in.
Bummer she's mostly blurry. I guess the AF gets focused on the wrong part of the room.This whole show is very important for all women to watch. Thank you both for this interview.
I love how she brings up the Real Housewives' involvement in MLMs. I think an alternative motivation of those women to get deeply involved in MLMs as wives of famous men is fear that their husbands will leave them. I feel like they assume this fame and money will be fleeting (possibly due to our culture's expendable mindset towards "beautiful women") so they really feel pressure to cash in their fame as much as possible while they have it.
❤️ yes I feel so bad for them. Because it makes our relationships weird/disingenuous when we try to sell and make money on our friends and family. And I’m sure they don’t want that, they’re just trying to “hustle” because people tell them to.
I have an acquaintance I otherwise have no contact with who will message me like, twice a year, and her use of the recruitment script is SO transparent. She'll jam it all in one message. "Hi Katie, how is Husband? How did you get into your Hobby? Would you be interested in buying some Arbonne?"
As a college student volunteering at the town's hospital, I was roped into DoTerra from a nurse who got me to get it oils in a set because discount and automatic member. Looking back on it, she was a complete snake oil salesman. And when I said I didn't want to be in an MLM, she kept pressuring me cause I would be able to ask all of my college classmates. It was really sleazy.
I'm thinking we don't pay our nurses enough because it's crazy how many nurses are in MLMs! And there has to be some law against doing that at the hospital?
I used to work in a care home and so many of them are in mlms and they were all buying from each other and they never made a lot of money. People got really bitchy and angry when somebody joined the same mlms.
Very interesting she says it happens where lots of people gather, I knew multiple people who joined MLM’s at my uni and recruited people, all but one has left the MLM’s as of today, some in debt, some having never made anything with it. When I said the whole thing was dodgy and I warned people not to join I was labelled a “hater” 😂😂 typical
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Insightful comment! I am certain the market will recover as we’ve experienced far worst time and despite hard fall, the crypto market rises tremendously than we’d expected. This isn’t the time to panic or sell due to its fall, but keep investing, buying and keeping. It’s really a waste to sell now and losing so much when you can make much in future when the market recovers. I had better understanding of this system working with Donald Nathan Scott.
My heart also shattered when I found out Elizabeth Moss was in Scientology...I frickin love the Handmaid's Tale (though it becoming less and less fiction is truly terrifying...). The show got me to buy the book and undoubtedly likely played a part in Margaret Atwood giving a sequel nearly 40 years later (of which I also bought). The show is now tainted for me and not sure I want to keep watching it, either. On the topic of MLM's, I unknowingly was in one for a few weeks. It was American Income Life, but I didn't know it was an MLM as one, I'd never heard of the company (though I knew what an MLM was) and two, they didn't push recruiting. They mentioned it as an option to earn more, but didn't shove it down our throats in an obvious way that we had to recruit (or maybe I wasn't there long enough to see that side). The woman here, Josie, is right, though. Nobody who is doing well joins an MLM. I work customer service and in May of 2020, I left a call center job I'd been at for two and a half years that was emotionally exhaustive beyojd any other I'd worked at. We took calls for a few good companies that were still stressful and then also took calls for many very ethically bankrupt companies. We also made political calls during election seasons. Thankfully, I had moved to working overnight for more pay and that allowed me to avoid those calls after my first year, but the simple fact that they're pushed on us regardless is just...ugh. I had taken on all the extra roles I could as an agent and capped out at just $12.75 in two and a half years, and that's with the $0.25 cent raise given every year you're there. Too much stress for too little pay, so I moved on. I would end up swapping jobs about five times that year. I flaked out of about three WFH jobs, with my computer in my bedroom two feet away. I was just...burnt. I don't have a degree because I didn't know what I wanted to go to school for and didn't want the high student loans with a degree that meant nothing to me. Even if I then wanted to go to school, I didn't have the money for it but according to the government, my $10 to $12 hour jobs was enough to not qualify for financial aid (also lived with my younger brother at the time who was earning about the same). And I seriously wanted to move out on my own. My brother disliked this state so I wanted him to be able to move closer to our older brother and I loathed the very loud and ghetto neighborhood we lived in. I don't think I've ever felt depression like I did that year. I knew I hated sales but it was at least different from a call center. But still...it was sales. I like helping people, not selling to them. Also, the MLM required being on Zoom for 9 to 10 hours a day and my cheap laptop couldn't handle it. So, I left. I wouldn't even find out it was an MLM until the channel illuminaughtii covered the company months later. Thankfully, 2021 was finally where things got better. Exactly on New Years Day, I was contacted about a job that was online chat...that paid significantly better than anything I'd ever received. Between it and the stimulus checks, I decided to not look a gift horse in the mouth. Both mine and my brother's cars had been dead for a year and so I got those fixed up. I paid off old debt (which I maybe shouldn't have...it didn't even help my credit score, I should've just let it fall off), moved my sibling to a new state and moved to my current location. The job sadly had to let nearly everyone go after that year, but it gave me what I needed most, renewed confidence in my worth. It took 3 months to find a new job and my unemployment had nearly run out. Desperation had begun to make me apply for horrible jobs, but I then closed the applications. I was worth more, I could do better. When I saw the post for my current job and read the company reviews, I knew I wanted to work here. That MLM definitely got me at my lowest point but I'm so happy I didn't get in deep with it and that I'm now doing much better.
@@eos_aurora Hi, had to reread my comment to know what you were asking about, lol. As to the "more real" part, not sure if you've read or seen the Handmaid's Tale but I'm going to work off of the assumption that you have (let me know if you haven't, though!), but the ways I feel like American society is beginning to mirror it are the erasures happening over bodily autonomy, the flurry of "book bans" happening in schools, the heavy censorship on sexual education and demonizing teachers for being a safe adult students can speak with about topics that they can't talk about with their parents, the hard push to make it mandatory for the Ten Commandments to be in school, the proliferation of pushing women to return to being a "trad wife", and many other things that I'm certain I've missed. Of course, all of this is very American-centered so if you don't live here, all of this may be pretty new, lol. But the book is also based here in the States, so the comparison felt appropriate.
Amazing job. You guys hit every single critical point really hard. Any hun who is not in the upper ranks (where things do get more complicated) ought to be running in the opposite direction after watching this. But we know they won't because they live in an echo chamber and are closed off from seeing the whole picture.
I did order R&F for a long while from someone because I knew her from work and ultimately personally, I knew she sold R&F but in all the time I spent with her in and out of work she never once talked about it or tried to get me to sell. That is exactly why I bought from her, she didn't try to sell me i was genuinely interested in the product. Her not selling made me interested. She was honest and ethical about it and so I respected her. On the other hand there was a different women also selling R&F whose private Facebook was plastered with it. She was insufferable and constantly messaging trying to get me to buy, constantly pushing products and making promises. I never bought a single thing from her. It felt slimy.
Love the show, MLMs here in latin america are still a huge problem preying specially on women of basically all ages... it's hard that there is no education on it really. ps. love chlesea's look here so much
Love Josie! So beautiful and so intelligent, and so resilient! Here in Australia, MLMs are not a really big thing- but the disease is slowly spreading.
I loved it when she said "back in 2013" like it was some distant era. That was the last year I was in an MLM. Since then, I have joined the anti-MLM movement. Also. It is not church without religion. It is church for a different type of religion.
I almost got sucked into Beachbody when I was a 22-year-old grad student. I had just gone into more educational debt, moved to a new city, and was feeling generally lonely and unsure of myself. The woman who reached out to me on IG (first red flag 🤦🏽♀️) literally did everything Josie talked about. She would talk about how all the ladies she met through coaching would be her future bridesmaids, how she could actively contribute to her 401k with this opportunity, how she had the life that so many people dreamt of…I really almost said yes but my boyfriend at the time saw the issues from a mile away 😂 I’m so happy I didn’t fall for it.
Now for the first time, I finally understand why strange women friend request me on Facebook and then immediately sales pitch me or try to get into my personal business. This is complete BS and I never wanna have anything to do with another MLM, although I myself have also fallen victim a few times.
I was definitely one of those people who got roped into being a Beachbody coach just for the discount on the shakes as a broke college student desperate to lose weight. Thankfully I managed to wiggle out of it after just a few months. Can't believe I let some stranger army wife treat me like that LOL. Boy was 2012-2016 a wild time for the health/wellness and MLM industry!!
I was recruited into an MLM in college to sell knives. Thought I was going to an interview for a real job. Went through training and felt ok about it. But did one presentation of selling the knives to family and was like "this just feels weird and manipulative". I left without ever trying to recruit anyone to join and only having attempted to sell the product once. I don't know how I feel about people being involved in these MLM, advancing to great heights while pulling others in, and then being able to fall back on "I was a victim". I've been invited to other presentations since then and as soon as I realize this is mlm recruitment, I walk away. All of these have been during times of great financial need and yet still I walked away before becoming a perpetrator. I've known others who have done the same.
I still use the products of the MLM that Josie left. Tried living that MLM life and that didn't last long for me. That company is my home gym membership and nothing more. I do wonder how the pay structure has changed now that this company refers to themselves as the Netflix of fitness and recently became a publicly traded company.
I know a few of the MLM's I've had introductions to whether it was Mary Kay or Premier Designs Jewelry, and a few more always seemed to pride their business based on them being "Based on God first and foremost." I remember going to their parties friends has hosted and as the party opening was being spoken they'd say, "And what's great about this company is it's based on God and family." Wow, just wow. I mean great if it's true but there's a whole lot of shady that goes on in MLM company's. So not thinking that's very true. MLM's as a whole are a no go. No nada forgetta 'bout it.
re: fake eyelashes The magnetic sandwich ones are trash and impossible to use. The magnetic ones that come with the eyeliner are decent once you get the hang of it.
Those always freak me out so much. I keep thinking.. what if I get in an accident and need an emergency MRI? I don't want that stuff burning my eyeballs.. :(.. such a scary thought tbh..
WHAT the actress of the handmaid's tale is in scientology???? I'm speechless honestly, why does noone talk about that, how is that ok?? (Maybe people do but in my circle lol but I'm truly shocked)
Could anybody on this channel direct me to a video from a woman discussing the fake "negative ion" etc., "Health" products like the magic pendants, bracelets that give you energy and make you feel better? I need to get to someone who will not listen to a man telling them it's bullshit especially not these smug science men on RUclips that use words she won't understand.. she is not selling them YET but someone is trying to hook her in with a free cheap lanyard with a plastic thingy on it "just to try it". I am also worried they are still selling the ones that are actually radioactive.
Consult a tax specialist or CPA, but quarterly estimates (the irs has forms) can help prevent the unpleasant surprise with a huge tax bill for multiple years.
This is possible because J.O.B.s in the U.S. don't pay a living wage, health insurance is tied to employment, childcare is unaffordable and pays minimum wage. The problem isn't you, the problem is the system.
I recently tried the opulence MD magnetic lashes and am really a fan, much easier than glue on and the company was created by an optomologist to be safe for the eyes.
"I was a victim, but I was also a perpetrator." So refreshing to see that kind of honesty about what these schemes do to people, even those with good intentions. Thank you for your story, Josie, and thank you Chelsea for the honest conversation!
You're not truly a perpetrator. You were abused, gaslight. They make you feel shame and guilt while in reality it was never your fault to begin with. Probably if you knew back then what you know now, you had left straight away, wouldn't you? That says everything about it ;)
Honestly this admission is very important. The whole “abused” and “gaslighted” is manure.
That's the accountability we need more of in every situation. We may do things that may be due to various reasons but it's accepting the role we played and how we contributed regardless of intent.
"People don't join MLM when they're doing well. They join when they're vulnerable. And that's where they get you." So true!!
@@divinadivina2017 Greed and not listening to your doubts makes you a perpetrator. Yes, in the beginning you are a victim. But as soon as you feel the pressure and that something isn't right you should not continue pulling others into the same awkward feeling. It is easy to only be a victim. People who stay longer and go up the line are victims AND perpetrators. They are all adults and should take their part of responsibility. MLMs can only exist because of vulnerable people AND people who are greedy and want a lavish livestyle. Of course a lot of people join because they are in a bad financial situation, but there are a lot of others too. I know some of them. They are doing ok but want more. Noone is forcing anyone to want a mercedes or pool or any other luxury.
So happy to see Josie as a guest on TFD! As a former one- percenter in MLM myself, I can relate to everything Josie says... She's a strong voice in the movement to expose the MLM lie. I so admire Josie's courage and articulate message.
i'm glad you left all that mess. good luck with the future and great job
I can see how she would've become so successful in MLMs. She has a fantastic personality and seems like the kind of person who could have a conversation with literally anyone.
My mom is a regular social butterfly with a pretty big circle of friends and acquaintances. She could be a successful MLM hun if she were so inclined, but thankfully, she isn't so inclined.
MLMs ruin normal friendships. Nothing worst than a friend involved in one, try to get you involved and then get pissed when you don't because they feel like you're not supporting them.
When my friend was in one of them, I told her that I didn't feel comfortable purchasing products from the mlm company but instead her paintings/art. Maybe that approach may help others too, with friends thinking they don't support them
I had a friend who joined an MLM after she moved back to her hometown. I wanted to be a supportive friend and so I bought the stuff she was selling, joined a group call (more like recruiting call), and attended one of their “parties”. Every time she would message me it was all she would talk about and would always try to convince me to join even after I already told her multiple times that it is not something I wanted to do. I eventually just stopped talking to her after that.
So true... also nothing worse than meeting someone new who seems great and you think they want to be your friend... and then comes The Pitch!
I agree with you, i did support and now she wants more support by asking me to recruit my friends/co-workers, i say no because i would not sacrifice my relation with them through manipulative tactics...so that os where i draw the line, and now she feels im not supportive :(
This was by far my favourite episode. Having left a fundamentalist cult myself it's so important to speak out about those experiences and the types of brainwashing they use.
I was briefly in an MLM, and for me it was hard to say anything critical because they had all really drunk the Kool Aid. And honestly, the woman who recruited me really HAD made a good amount of money from it, and the woman who recruited her made a whole lot more, and the woman who recruited her made a whole, whole lot more. So they were experiencing the "success" and couldn't really believe that those of us at the bottom couldn't make out as well as they had. And frankly I couldn't bring myself to really try because the recruiting and sales tactics they tried to teach us felt so icky and disingenuous. I did like the products, and with the MLM in question, you were NOT expected to buy a bunch of stuff up front that you then had to turn around and sell off. But it was still overpriced and the payout was smaller than it really should have been. I couldn't help but think that if I put the same amount of time and effort into a regular, hourly pay side job, I would probably make more money, and it would be more reliable money. So I bowed out.
This kinda mimics our broader economy. Those who have success can't imagine how others cannot have success. It becomes blinding.
OMG!!! All my channels collide!! Josie is how I found y’all and so many others!!! Heart is so full! I appreciate y’all ❤️
With lower income countries MLMs have been in the system so long *everyone* is wiser about it. Social media recruitment has made it much more aggressive but we all had mothers and grandmothers who lost money some decades ago so we are all very cautious. I suspect MLM's growth in the West is a testament to how much things have deteriorated in social welfare there.
MLMs have always been around in the US. I believe the development of social media made MLMs surge once again 😖
My experience from an MLM was the classic "You get to be your own boss. You get to set your hours around what works for you and your family" but then also being given a sales target that is completely unsustainable if you don't work consistently. I called them out on this and was told to suck it up or get out. I got out.
I see a lot of parallels between MLMs, the casino industry and the crypto market - all prey on people's legitimate problems by offering them a bogus solution.
That's a great point. I've heard of the crypto comparison before, but never considered the gambling connection.
Gambling is much more honest, though.
@@ravenknight4876, well, you lose less gambling, but it's known that you can't make a living.... Imagine if casinos had tons of examples of people making 5000 or even 50,000 a month.....
Josie is THE perfect guest to have on this topic!!
Josie was the 1st person that was the top 1% of MLM & left. Then came out & talked about it.
She does amazing job. I believe what she contributes is even if you reach that top 1% which is rare, why it's still bad.
I think some people may think, it might be hard to reach that 1% but once I do, my life would be great. I will work really hard & reach that 1%. what she shows is that even if you do , it's not worth it,stressful, & you can lose it at any time. which I would hope would change a person's mind in joining.
Watching her videos and her documentaries you can see how much skill and professionalism she has. Very intelligent.
That also proves it doesn't matter who you are, or how smart you are. If you are in a vulnerable place an MLM can put their hooks into you. (I think in any cult like group that I'd true.).
In my 20s when I worked in retail or other low wage jobs, I dabbled in MLMs as a way to earn a higher income. I tried Avon, MaryKay, Priamerica, a travel booking MLM, and nutrition shake one similar to Herbalife. I did not do well in any of these endeavors and thought it was that I was a poor salesperson and didn’t work hard enough.It didn’t dawn on me that MLMs are scams and don’t operate as a honest business venture. I’m at a place where I’m financially stable and would never consider a MLM as a business opportunity now that I know how predatory they are.
Can u tell me more and how mach have you been there and if u did will or not
One thing I am really proud of myself is - at the age of 17, year 2012 - an MLM tried to recruit me but I could somehow read through it and understand it was a scam. Even though I couldn't pin point what it was, I knew it was fishy. Glad my instincts worked that day. That company even charged us to attend their 'sales session' lol. They marketed it as independent entrepreneurship and how to build your business.
We're proud of you, too!!
I was in a health MLM very briefly. I was preyed on by so many people that would friend me on my beauty channel asking me if I’d like to join their boot camp to lose weight. Being as that I had put on weight over the pandemic and gyms were closed I caved. The coach I had was so sweet until I started skipping my workouts to work on my Accounting deadlines. I will never forget getting Covid, and her telling me you don’t get results if you don’t show up for yourself. Like what!! It was so eye opening when I told her I had Covid and I wasn’t going to be buying the next boot camp package or promoting selling it. She literally did not reply and left me on read. It was damaging to my self esteem and triggered my eating disorder being on the strict portion control containers. I still occasionally check on her, and now she is making tic tics trying to recruit nurses (she was an RN) to her MLM. She goes over all the crappy ways nurses get treated and why would anyone put up with it when you can be like her making $$ while on a beach chilling. I have to wonder how problematic that is for our health care system to lose so many health care providers to MLM schemes. 🤔 Especially when there’s shortages of nurses ect already.
I still have products I bought that we’re going to help me get the shredded body of my dreams. It was such a waste of money because I hated the taste of them, and many are high in sugar content which is not good for my health problems.
Hey, dont feel hit in your selfesteem. I was in it as a distributor but never used the products to achieve my goals. What opened my eyes is a weekend event I went to when I realised I was in a cult. Like you I was preyed on and my friend got me into it. They use guilt to make you feel worthless, it's a cult technique. It's really a blessing in disguise that she was rude, belive me. I lost my friend in the MLM, were no longer friends but I feel so liberated and relieved I am out :)
@@ct9914 Thanks. It does leave you feeling so icky to know you’ve been used. But I’m glad we both had experiences of being treated rudely in a way that made us see it for what it is. I have just a few close friends now, and they are 💯 not MLM pushers. I don’t even reply to ppl that dm me and push MLM’s on me now. Not even to say no, I just block them or mute their pages.
@@lyndamariepibus8403 same here and we move on with the life that we want for ourselves, not theirs 😃
Chelsea, you gave us a great take on faith manipulation in MLM that I didn't know before. It turns out that tropes from evangelical Christianity have been co-opted by many industries, not only MLM
Thank you so much for the invitation, TFD! For anyone in need of resources after leaving a cult-like organization, I highly recommend:
*Books:* Combating Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan, Troublemaker by Leah Remini, & The Witness Wore Red by Rebecca Musser.
*Podcasts:* A Little Bit Culty, Scientology: Fair Game, & Born Again Again.
*RUclips:* Dr. Tracey Marks, Doctor Ramani, & TheraminTrees.
I was in a (what I believe to be) MLM for 9 months in Brooklyn selling VZ fios door to door. Super toxic. Male dominated. Very sexist. Aggressive recruiting. Big promises no payout. Crazy long hours. 6 days a week but constantly shamed if you took Sunday off. It was the worst thing ever and I became so brainwashed that when I would interview others I def felt like the perpetrator. They recruited young low income people and were promised the millionaire life on an entrepreneur. I was making no money at all for 80+ hour weeks. Tons of gas lighting. They denied they were an MLM but it was very culty. After someone left we were not allowed to say their name no matter how close friends we were / are with them. They taught us leaders a script on how to manipulate these young kids if their parents wanted them to quit. Leaving was the best decision I ever made!!
this sounds like the "slave circle" business model. Do a search on RUclips and there's some pretty interesting information on these kinds of companies. They're not straight MLM in the conventional sense but they are very scammy and manipulative.
Oh no, 💔 I hate that that happened. I worry for young people. They’re so vulnerable.
Starting to feel like Capitalism itself is one big MLM.
yess!!! the system is totally rigged in favor of those at the top
It is.
Yep.
😂
when people say “your 9-5 is pyramid shaped” as a way to tell you they’re not in a pyramid scheme… are so close to getting it….
I can really relate to this coming out of an abusive workplace as a mental health paraprofessional. “Don’t you wanna help people?” is a huge manipulation tactic.
I felt the same pressure, when I was being exploited by a non-profit. To be young and caring didnt help me put some healthy boundaries at all.
🙃
Love bombing phase, it becomes a Narcissistic relationship.
Candid interview. Very brave. Very necessary. Very awesome!!
Josie was my introduction to the antimlm world. whch eventually led me to TFD. this video was amazing! you both are such amazing women.
This is my favorite genre of content. So interesting to learn about and I'm so glad it's getting out there!
I started watching Josie’s channel not too long after she started making anti-MLM content on RUclips and was really excited to see her name in the thumbnail of this video!
Omg I LIVE for Josie’s content! Her channel is SO good-she goes in deep and gives quality interviews!
Love Josie! Her channel is totally bingeable.
This is gold. Always wondered what the 1%ers life was like in the MLM because if you go down the hypothetical road of market saturation of MLM the distributors on the bottom will always be miserable
I lost a lot of money in MLM in my late teens... and I remember feeling a struggle with charging people with money the owed me. Specially the people that hide from you. Till this day, is something I don't like and I thought I just can't be a salesperson. But as an educator and psychologist, I don't have a problem teaching or motivating or trying to convince, because in these scenarios I am trying to make a difference vs. MLMs where I was just trying to profit with products that most I didn't even believe in them. Now I am a sucker for subscriptions- but even though you get incentives for referrals, you don't depend on referrals and is still a loosing game because I end up with a lot of products I dont need. So compplicated! but thanks for the video
I used to work at a local health shop And one of my customers was a real estate agent who was invested in multiple MLM companies. She really liked me and how I was big on natural health. And she like my sale style. Which was always to just use facts and not try to bombard people, but to just present them with information and let them make decisions. She actually flew me to Louisville Kentucky For convention and completely covered my food and flight. It turns out that this convention was a Pep rally. It was so weird and hookie. Everyone was mumbling their new Age i aM statements. I seriously felt like I was in loony house. It was hard to connect with anyone because most of the people were super excited and weird and they just didn't seem genuine. There was one guy I connected with who is actually a millionaire from The company and he was a little different because he seemed more genuine. But other than that, he was still drinking mccoolid.
"I don't have social media." Girl is livin' the life !
Except Reddit is good. It's not a braggy, look-at-me selfie culture like Instagram or TikTok. Reddit actually makes you think
Yeah, a couple news aggregators too...despite everything...
@@bettinaberesh315 it's all a distraction. we don't need it unless we choose to.
Hairstylists I feel like are always getting convinced into mlms. When I was in hair school they’d tell us we’d never be successful if we weren’t also having a side hustle while working 14 hrs, 6 days a week. Hustle culture is so prevalent it was almost shameful not to be working and mlm too.
You can side hustle and not do MLM’s.
14 hrs, 7 days a week is how most wealthy live. The only people I know that stop after 8 hours are poor or some very rare indirect family members to extreme wealth.
@@lijohnyoutube101 😮
@@lijohnyoutube101 the reason why poor people stop after 8 hours is because they cannot afford to work bonebreaking jobs 14 hours a day for their health (as josie told in the Video, the long working hours worsened her existing health problems) or they dabble in kids, which is a side-hustle all on its own without getting paid. And do not tell me the rich people do that too, for they have nannies and people that clean after them and often enough money to go out eating every day. They simply do not need to do as much work at home because they can simply pay others to do that work for them. Next thing you can come home to early is care for the elderly parents. So much to do for poor people that can just be bought away if you have that kind of money.
@@lijohnyoutube101 hi. No. The majority of wealthy people do not work 14 hours a day.
Wage-slaves work multiple jobs, have erratic hours and NO savings.
Healthcare is tied to employment.
Executive pay is Bloated.
Executive pay is tied to short term- Quarterly- earnings.
Please do not perpetuate the lie that working more leads to wealth.
Because, you are saying, poor Americans just don't work hard enough, when the truth is; Americans aren't paid enough.
In the U.S., the class you are born in, is the class you will die in.
Bummer she's mostly blurry. I guess the AF gets focused on the wrong part of the room.This whole show is very important for all women to watch. Thank you both for this interview.
I love how she brings up the Real Housewives' involvement in MLMs. I think an alternative motivation of those women to get deeply involved in MLMs as wives of famous men is fear that their husbands will leave them. I feel like they assume this fame and money will be fleeting (possibly due to our culture's expendable mindset towards "beautiful women") so they really feel pressure to cash in their fame as much as possible while they have it.
Great point
I have been waiting for someone to do a video on Tori Spelling and her involvement in MLM's! Can't wait!
Dear Josie! So good to see you. Love your content AND this conversation with Chelsea :)
I love her documentary style videos. they are beyond quality.
So many TEACHERS fall into the MLM industry! I had so many coworkers while I was a teacher selling Lularoe, Agnes and Dora, Limelife, Beachbody, etc.
❤️ yes I feel so bad for them. Because it makes our relationships weird/disingenuous when we try to sell and make money on our friends and family. And I’m sure they don’t want that, they’re just trying to “hustle” because people tell them to.
I have an acquaintance I otherwise have no contact with who will message me like, twice a year, and her use of the recruitment script is SO transparent. She'll jam it all in one message. "Hi Katie, how is Husband? How did you get into your Hobby? Would you be interested in buying some Arbonne?"
As a college student volunteering at the town's hospital, I was roped into DoTerra from a nurse who got me to get it oils in a set because discount and automatic member. Looking back on it, she was a complete snake oil salesman. And when I said I didn't want to be in an MLM, she kept pressuring me cause I would be able to ask all of my college classmates. It was really sleazy.
I'm thinking we don't pay our nurses enough because it's crazy how many nurses are in MLMs! And there has to be some law against doing that at the hospital?
I used to work in a care home and so many of them are in mlms and they were all buying from each other and they never made a lot of money. People got really bitchy and angry when somebody joined the same mlms.
@@sbg1911There ought to be policies in corporations against encouraging ppl to participate in Lifespring type cults, too!
Josie, wow! The guests on TFC have been incredible lately! ❤️
Very interesting she says it happens where lots of people gather, I knew multiple people who joined MLM’s at my uni and recruited people, all but one has left the MLM’s as of today, some in debt, some having never made anything with it. When I said the whole thing was dodgy and I warned people not to join I was labelled a “hater” 😂😂 typical
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Insightful comment! I am certain the market will recover as we’ve experienced far worst time and despite hard fall, the crypto market rises tremendously than we’d expected. This isn’t the time to panic or sell due to its fall, but keep investing, buying and keeping. It’s really a waste to sell now and losing so much when you can make much in future when the market recovers. I had better understanding of this system working with Donald Nathan Scott.
I am beyond obsessed with Josie and I sort of assumed that Chelsea was also a fan of hers. lol. I was wondering if she'd ever end up on TDF. lol
Josie!!! So happy you guys made a video with her!
My heart also shattered when I found out Elizabeth Moss was in Scientology...I frickin love the Handmaid's Tale (though it becoming less and less fiction is truly terrifying...). The show got me to buy the book and undoubtedly likely played a part in Margaret Atwood giving a sequel nearly 40 years later (of which I also bought). The show is now tainted for me and not sure I want to keep watching it, either.
On the topic of MLM's, I unknowingly was in one for a few weeks. It was American Income Life, but I didn't know it was an MLM as one, I'd never heard of the company (though I knew what an MLM was) and two, they didn't push recruiting. They mentioned it as an option to earn more, but didn't shove it down our throats in an obvious way that we had to recruit (or maybe I wasn't there long enough to see that side). The woman here, Josie, is right, though. Nobody who is doing well joins an MLM.
I work customer service and in May of 2020, I left a call center job I'd been at for two and a half years that was emotionally exhaustive beyojd any other I'd worked at. We took calls for a few good companies that were still stressful and then also took calls for many very ethically bankrupt companies. We also made political calls during election seasons. Thankfully, I had moved to working overnight for more pay and that allowed me to avoid those calls after my first year, but the simple fact that they're pushed on us regardless is just...ugh. I had taken on all the extra roles I could as an agent and capped out at just $12.75 in two and a half years, and that's with the $0.25 cent raise given every year you're there. Too much stress for too little pay, so I moved on.
I would end up swapping jobs about five times that year. I flaked out of about three WFH jobs, with my computer in my bedroom two feet away. I was just...burnt. I don't have a degree because I didn't know what I wanted to go to school for and didn't want the high student loans with a degree that meant nothing to me. Even if I then wanted to go to school, I didn't have the money for it but according to the government, my $10 to $12 hour jobs was enough to not qualify for financial aid (also lived with my younger brother at the time who was earning about the same). And I seriously wanted to move out on my own. My brother disliked this state so I wanted him to be able to move closer to our older brother and I loathed the very loud and ghetto neighborhood we lived in. I don't think I've ever felt depression like I did that year.
I knew I hated sales but it was at least different from a call center. But still...it was sales. I like helping people, not selling to them. Also, the MLM required being on Zoom for 9 to 10 hours a day and my cheap laptop couldn't handle it. So, I left. I wouldn't even find out it was an MLM until the channel illuminaughtii covered the company months later.
Thankfully, 2021 was finally where things got better. Exactly on New Years Day, I was contacted about a job that was online chat...that paid significantly better than anything I'd ever received. Between it and the stimulus checks, I decided to not look a gift horse in the mouth. Both mine and my brother's cars had been dead for a year and so I got those fixed up. I paid off old debt (which I maybe shouldn't have...it didn't even help my credit score, I should've just let it fall off), moved my sibling to a new state and moved to my current location. The job sadly had to let nearly everyone go after that year, but it gave me what I needed most, renewed confidence in my worth. It took 3 months to find a new job and my unemployment had nearly run out. Desperation had begun to make me apply for horrible jobs, but I then closed the applications. I was worth more, I could do better. When I saw the post for my current job and read the company reviews, I knew I wanted to work here. That MLM definitely got me at my lowest point but I'm so happy I didn't get in deep with it and that I'm now doing much better.
Becoming more real…how?
Also, terrifying story! Glad you didn’t get sucked in
@@eos_aurora Hi, had to reread my comment to know what you were asking about, lol. As to the "more real" part, not sure if you've read or seen the Handmaid's Tale but I'm going to work off of the assumption that you have (let me know if you haven't, though!), but the ways I feel like American society is beginning to mirror it are the erasures happening over bodily autonomy, the flurry of "book bans" happening in schools, the heavy censorship on sexual education and demonizing teachers for being a safe adult students can speak with about topics that they can't talk about with their parents, the hard push to make it mandatory for the Ten Commandments to be in school, the proliferation of pushing women to return to being a "trad wife", and many other things that I'm certain I've missed. Of course, all of this is very American-centered so if you don't live here, all of this may be pretty new, lol. But the book is also based here in the States, so the comparison felt appropriate.
Amazing job. You guys hit every single critical point really hard. Any hun who is not in the upper ranks (where things do get more complicated) ought to be running in the opposite direction after watching this. But we know they won't because they live in an echo chamber and are closed off from seeing the whole picture.
This peek behind the curtain is such an important step in figuring out how to educate more people before they get involved in these scams. Thank you!
I love your videos!! I skip right through those ads you throw at us, but other than that keep up the great work!!
TWO of my favorite RUclips content creators!!
Thank you. ❤ Josie's laugh and smile.
I love her channel! Thanks for having her on your show.
I did order R&F for a long while from someone because I knew her from work and ultimately personally, I knew she sold R&F but in all the time I spent with her in and out of work she never once talked about it or tried to get me to sell. That is exactly why I bought from her, she didn't try to sell me i was genuinely interested in the product. Her not selling made me interested. She was honest and ethical about it and so I respected her.
On the other hand there was a different women also selling R&F whose private Facebook was plastered with it. She was insufferable and constantly messaging trying to get me to buy, constantly pushing products and making promises. I never bought a single thing from her. It felt slimy.
Love the show, MLMs here in latin america are still a huge problem preying specially on women of basically all ages...
it's hard that there is no education on it really.
ps. love chlesea's look here so much
such great value and authentic content, thanks girls
Love Josie! So beautiful and so intelligent, and so resilient! Here in Australia, MLMs are not a really big thing- but the disease is slowly spreading.
I LOVE JOSIE!!!! What a collab!!! Yessssss.
I love Josie. I also follow TFD on Instagram, so I’m excited to have found this channel! This was an excellent interview. 💛
I love Josie, this was great episode!
Excellent collaboration!! Loving this!
The is a good reason why there are so many MLMs in Utah….
the guest's laugh is SO good!
I loved it when she said "back in 2013" like it was some distant era. That was the last year I was in an MLM. Since then, I have joined the anti-MLM movement.
Also. It is not church without religion. It is church for a different type of religion.
I almost got sucked into Beachbody when I was a 22-year-old grad student. I had just gone into more educational debt, moved to a new city, and was feeling generally lonely and unsure of myself. The woman who reached out to me on IG (first red flag 🤦🏽♀️) literally did everything Josie talked about. She would talk about how all the ladies she met through coaching would be her future bridesmaids, how she could actively contribute to her 401k with this opportunity, how she had the life that so many people dreamt of…I really almost said yes but my boyfriend at the time saw the issues from a mile away 😂 I’m so happy I didn’t fall for it.
In the MLM model the money flows up. Celebs use it to vacuum up $$ from below. The industry literally has the top 1% leaching on the rest.
Yesss Josie!!! Adore her channel, honesty, and perspective!
Now for the first time, I finally understand why strange women friend request me on Facebook and then immediately sales pitch me or try to get into my personal business. This is complete BS and I never wanna have anything to do with another MLM, although I myself have also fallen victim a few times.
Top leaders, also live in fear that they will be sued by corporate if they speak out.
I love her channel!! we getting all the TEA. :) im a Previous MLM'er..I resonate w the shame of being a victim/perpetrator
The entrepreneur bootcamp is done. Is there a recording that can be bought?
Great guest. Yup us hairdressers are big targets for MLMs.
I was definitely one of those people who got roped into being a Beachbody coach just for the discount on the shakes as a broke college student desperate to lose weight. Thankfully I managed to wiggle out of it after just a few months. Can't believe I let some stranger army wife treat me like that LOL. Boy was 2012-2016 a wild time for the health/wellness and MLM industry!!
Omg I love her!!!! I have watched a ton of her videos.
Lady's, great video, the truth is all important ✌️🥇❤️
Any reason why this isnt on spotify? Would have missed this great interview if i hadnt seen it come up in my youtube feed as well...
Great guest!
Well said … really Shocking!
The couple in The Vow have a podcast where they constantly acknowledge they were perpetrators.
I was recruited into an MLM in college to sell knives. Thought I was going to an interview for a real job. Went through training and felt ok about it. But did one presentation of selling the knives to family and was like "this just feels weird and manipulative". I left without ever trying to recruit anyone to join and only having attempted to sell the product once. I don't know how I feel about people being involved in these MLM, advancing to great heights while pulling others in, and then being able to fall back on "I was a victim". I've been invited to other presentations since then and as soon as I realize this is mlm recruitment, I walk away. All of these have been during times of great financial need and yet still I walked away before becoming a perpetrator. I've known others who have done the same.
Love her documentaries!! 👏🏻👏🏻
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I still use the products of the MLM that Josie left. Tried living that MLM life and that didn't last long for me. That company is my home gym membership and nothing more. I do wonder how the pay structure has changed now that this company refers to themselves as the Netflix of fitness and recently became a publicly traded company.
Oh I love this guest!
Josie's great! Great crossover
So this isn’t Katy Mixon from Eastbound & Down?
Great episode as always
Why isn't this episode in the podcast feed? I'm on Overcast and see "Future Hindsight" instead
I know a few of the MLM's I've had introductions to whether it was Mary Kay or Premier Designs Jewelry, and a few more always seemed to pride their business based on them being "Based on God first and foremost." I remember going to their parties friends has hosted and as the party opening was being spoken they'd say, "And what's great about this company is it's based on God and family." Wow, just wow. I mean great if it's true but there's a whole lot of shady that goes on in MLM company's. So not thinking that's very true. MLM's as a whole are a no go. No nada forgetta 'bout it.
Josie! I'm glad she's still talking about her story.
Commenting for reach. These stories need to be amplified.
re: fake eyelashes
The magnetic sandwich ones are trash and impossible to use. The magnetic ones that come with the eyeliner are decent once you get the hang of it.
Those always freak me out so much. I keep thinking.. what if I get in an accident and need an emergency MRI? I don't want that stuff burning my eyeballs.. :(.. such a scary thought tbh..
@@puccarts my thoughts exactly. Temptimg but the stuff its made of creeps me out
Wait! How was that intro to THIS EPISODE not a satirical lead in to the topic?
WHAT the actress of the handmaid's tale is in scientology???? I'm speechless honestly, why does noone talk about that, how is that ok?? (Maybe people do but in my circle lol but I'm truly shocked)
Could anybody on this channel direct me to a video from a woman discussing the fake "negative ion" etc., "Health" products like the magic pendants, bracelets that give you energy and make you feel better? I need to get to someone who will not listen to a man telling them it's bullshit especially not these smug science men on RUclips that use words she won't understand.. she is not selling them YET but someone is trying to hook her in with a free cheap lanyard with a plastic thingy on it "just to try it". I am also worried they are still selling the ones that are actually radioactive.
Fantastic, thanks
we make roughly 70k a year both 1099 what is a quarterly tax? im having a panic attack
Consult a tax specialist or CPA, but quarterly estimates (the irs has forms) can help prevent the unpleasant surprise with a huge tax bill for multiple years.
@@MelanieSkipper THANK YOU THANK YOU night sleep, fresh faced and ready to go take it on. Thank you for your reply
Question: why is this episode on RUclips but iTunes is “future hindsight”? Saying TFC is taking a break this week?
I'm curious is Arbonne also a MLM?
This is possible because J.O.B.s in the U.S. don't pay a living wage, health insurance is tied to employment, childcare is unaffordable and pays minimum wage.
The problem isn't you, the problem is the system.
I recently tried the opulence MD magnetic lashes and am really a fan, much easier than glue on and the company was created by an optomologist to be safe for the eyes.
MLMs should be ban from the US