Celebrity Plastic Surgery, Beauty Gaslighting, & The Myth Of Skincare
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- Опубликовано: 25 дек 2022
- Chelsea speaks with plastic surgery and beauty expert @LorryHill about the cost of cosmetic and plastic surgeries, the beauty maintenance celebrities are really buying into, and how we're all buying into a lie when it comes to celeb beauty secrets.
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I watched this yesterday and can’t stop thinking about something… I’m 52. I’ll be 53 in 3 weeks. And while there is some “reckoning” that has to be done as you cope with your aging face, honestly, IT’S NOT THAT BAD, Y’ALL. It’s definitely not “invasive procedure” bad. If I could give some very tiny advice to anyone considering dropping over $10k to alter your face: stop looking at people who earn a living on camera to be your role models. Look at your peers in real life, because real life faces age, and aging is ok. Take good care of yourself. Mind your weight fluctuations and sun exposure, stay hydrated, and invest in good medical care. Being healthy and happy is far more beautifying than chasing fantasy ideals under the knife. If you have dysmorphia, seek mental care before cosmetic changes. Getting older is ok, aging is ok, and neither of those will stop you from living your best life. Being in your 50’s is actually kind of awesome when you embrace it, because the iron grip of youthful beauty standards finally starts to let go a little bit, and a sense of confidence and ease in being who you are starts to come through. Sometimes I joke that I’m entering my “hag” era, and I can’t wait!
As far as managing your face in your 50’s goes, Trinny Woodall is kind of my favorite role model. She has all of the non-invasive tools, but any work that she has done isn’t interfering with her facial expression or the quality of her skin. She looks like she’s in her late 50’s, but she looks f*cking stunning and better than she did in her late 30’s. Not younger, not as young as, but better.
I agree with you 💯 percent! When I asked my dermatologist what I can do about this or that on my face, she tells me “don’t look in the mirror so much”. I love it
I love to hear the wisdom of women over 50! Thank you!
Thank you for the wonderful advice. As someone in my 30's, I've started to embrace "aging" because I feel wiser and more knowledgeable and mature with more life experience. It's definitely a valuable asset to have in life, and I've heard that the older you get, the less you care about what people think, and I find that liberating.
Trinny Woodall? Lmao have you seen her lips 😂
@Wulf Sorenson true, but that aside she's not trying to look like anything other than her age and she looks perfectly fine.
Thank you so much for having me on Chelsea; your channel and audience are AMAZING ❤
I love you Miss Hill, YAAAS QUEEN
Love your honesty!!
❤❤❤❤❤ I love you so much 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Such a great collab 🥰❤
You go girl!
They don’t have to talk about it BUT if they’re selling products based on their appearance they shouldn’t lie and say it’s due to that product. They really think we are all naive enough to believe them… some people really are and defend them.
This is how I feel!! Like I don’t think every single celeb needs to disclose the list of the procedures they’ve had done, BUT they should be open about it if it impacts what they’re selling us. What bugs me the most is actually fitness influencers who will sell “booty busting” workouts and claim they got their body from diet and exercise, but then show obvious signs of plastic surgery like lipo scars and a butt that protrudes from the sides.
@@taylorgayhart9497 this reminds me of Liver King!
I think this is the biggest issue I see right now for skin, hair, and diet. People forget that these folks have entire teams that help them look the way they do from stylist, personal trainners, chefs, make up artist, hair stylist, ect.
They don’t have to address it, but if they choose to address it they shouldn’t lie repeatedly and intensely. The media, and fans alike, are often unapologetic and relentless with making accusations, so I could understand the motivation to lie in response. The lies aren’t without consequence tho and contribute to unrealistic beauty standards. To date the Kardashian Jenners have been firm in denying they’ve had their bodies worked on, with the admittance of a nose job being as far as they’ve gone, and I can’t help but feel society would be better off if they just never said anything
Yes, J. Lo and Kim K. do that.
I love Lorry. She’s so honest about her own experiences and just a sweetheart. I do think it’s so important that she points out subtle plastic surgery that is intentionally performed to make the average feel like she’s looking at a genetically superior person on screen.
2 things. Loving yourself and therapy for body dysmophia is cheaper than a face lift. Aging is normal and something we need to stop stigmatising.
amen.
Couldn't agree more
So true!
I am almost 40 and work with a lot of college aged students. I get told I look younger for my age all the time and I am like have you guys actually looked at someone who is in their late 30's. I look like my age and I am proud of that. I think social media and celeb's being worshiped have definitly skewed the idea of what you're supposed to look like as you get older. I think a lot of the issue is that we are still an agesit society even though we "celebrate" certain celeb's/models/instgram influencers for "aging gracefully".
You are so right! I will say you do look young (you’ve taken care of yourself and have good genes!) but its believable that you’re almost 40. Happy holidays!
@@pri.sci.lla. thank you, it’s definitely both genetic and trying to take care of myself since I have had a host of health issues (this pic is also old my hair is salt and pepper at this point lol). Have a great holiday!!!
This is so true. I feel like “you look young for your age” is the new way of saying you’re beautiful but, really, just say what you mean. We’ve totally lost touch with what normal people look like.
@@Ineverusemychannel this makes me think "you look good for you're age" is really "you look good in spite of your age", it's all very interesting.
@@holographicwing guess I’m down bad since I’m a mom as well lol
Gosh - me watching the interview somewhere in Europe and thinking - how about just living with the face/body I was born with and accepting it these days?
hmmm…is the pressure to look young and glam really lower than in the US? 🧐🧐…would be nice if it was BUT, sadly, i don‘t think so :((…think of Italy, horrible culture when it comes the outer beauty…greetings from Switzerland!!
Maybe in Europe lol. Depends. If you have cultures of false meritocracy and individualistic competition or culture of dignity with collectivist care? I feel like culture with a good safety net who believe in dignity and treat elderly people well, and educate the young more equally, like Finland, probably would be less vain. But I'm the US there's a big fear that finding work will be harder if you look old. People write you off unless you have a huge record of accomplishments before you look old , even for work that isn't in media, but like knowledge based jobs because of ageism in tech, thinking older people can't be software engineers, make websites, or debug programs.
@@Iquey The economic and social conditions in the states definitely reward and encourage vanity.
I wish they would have talked a bit more about how capitalism and society pressure women into procedures and injections. Instead they leaned a bit to hard into “plastic surgery is okay!” Which it is btw! They didn’t really critically analyze where these desires to alter our appearances come from
Exactly what I was thinking! Make your own choices, whatever, but at least touch on the structures that inform those choices
100%
im happy that we can have open and honest conversations about the topic but i still find it so limited ... im worried about what is starting to be perceived as a flaw.
Whenever the plastic surgery topic comes up I'm disappointed that the topic of superbugs and antibiotics never comes up considering that will be the leading killer by 2050.
This is a personal opinion of mine, but if we really wanna get deep into this, it would also be interesting to consider how many people are chronically ill in the world and 'another medical procedure' is such a horrible thing to even consider and go through and such a contrast from a lot of the plastic surgery being normalised nowadays including the facelift by 50... im personally hoping that by investing a lot of this money on my mental health i will avoid the need for this and support my body and health for when inevitable things hit.
Lastly, even though is great to have an open conversation about this topic I also find it sad when this topic comes up of how is talked about in such a blaze way... your body can't differentiate life-saving and other types of surgery...ITS A HUGE DEAL! you shouldn't just "get over the fear of surgery". it's 1000% comprehensible for many people to avoid invasive plastic surgery for so many reasons, its irresponsible to say "just get over your fear of plastic surgery and do it" in my personal view
Yes! I feel like these conversations are often so limited bc even youtubers like lorry and chelsea are in that world of being in front of a camera for work - my mum and her friends are all in their 50s and have done none of the stuff that they talk about here.. but they talk about it like it’s as common as getting your kitchen renovated? I don’t think plastic surgery is as common in the everyday world as analyses like these make them seem. I came away from this thinking maybe I should get work done one day when I’ve always been against it for myself. Check out Jessica Defino’s work she really gets into the gritty political and sociological side of all this stuff.
@@lovelyreader773 agreed.
This is what I was waiting for
Can we address the fact that Kim Kardashian was voted “Most Symmetrical face in the world”… like of course it is, it was MADE symmetrical by a doctor lmfao.
I think she was a lot prettier when she didn’t have her face totally symmetrical.
@@mcsmaria28 I think this! She was gorgeous to start with
She looks weird and over done. Not attractive at all. Compare her to Paris Hilton whose had very minimal work done.
Lorry Hill’s channel has been the best thing to hit RUclips in years, every video is worth a watch. Learned so much from her.
Yes! She’s a gift!
When I was younger a friend of my parent's passed away getting a facelift and it has stuck with me for years. There are things I would love to do but I always think 'is it worth dying for' and I can't bring myself to do it.
I just started watching Lorry's channel because of this video, and I'm not exaggerating when I say within the day, she has already made me feel so much better about how I look. And that's been something I've really been struggling with, especially the last couple years. There are so many people I never realized had anything done who have been beauty icons for me, and Lorry is truly a gamechanger. So thankful for what she does.
This means so much to me; thank you 🙏🏻
Lorry is really sweet, and deeply empathic. After one of her videos I feel so much better about myself- and I have started to see the beauty in everyone's face.
I had upper blepharoplasty earlier this year at 42. I told everyone and their dog I had it done because I felt like it would be deceptive to suddenly look a bit different and people not know why. Having had it done, I absolutely DO have better peripheral vision now which is great!
Thank you so much for sharing your experienc. I'm 43 and considering having it done next year. Anything you would recommend I be aware of, like the recovery/ downtime?? Sorry to plug you with all these Qs, I have not met anyone my age who's had it done 😀
@@roxydee1452 The surgery is so minor and barely painful, you wouldn't believe it. I was given a prescription for a painkiller to use after the surgery, and I took 2 ibuprofen when I came home from surgery and took a nap. That was the only pain medicine I took. And I was back working the next day. I have a dog walking/pet sitting business and I was right back at it. I looked a bit rough for a few days, but once the stitches came out at a week, you'd have not noticed anything wrong. Given how easy it was and how thrilled I am with the results, I wish I had done it sooner. I've heard recovery is slower with much older patients, but in my early 40s it was a piece of cake. I've had stubbed toes that hurt worse. 🤣 If you have a job where you see a bunch of people, then you might want a week off or a week working from home if that's an option. But if you don't need to see people and look professional, then you'd just need one day off.
Oh, and I'd say results were final at 4-6 weeks. All scabbing & minor bruising was gone at 10-14 days. After that, the very minor swelling took a few weeks to go away. But no one but I could tell there was swelling at all after 2 weeks.
I was 34 the 2nd time and 27 at 1st. I paid for 800e euros more 7 years ago actually for the 1st blepharoplasty and saw very little results. That is why research is important.
Now after my 2nd upper blepharoplasty I am pleased with the results (except at the 1st time scars were prettier, but as I wrote the results were not good at all 1st time). I had 2 years ago my 2nd blepharoplasty and I just wish I did it sooner.
@@Letty4 I agree.
I never would have thought of putting the two of you together but you're such a perfect fit with so much cross over. The costs of maintaining our appearance are REAL, our "worth" as women being tied to our youthful appearance, and it goes on and on and on. I've been a fan of both of your channels for a long time now, you are quite lone voices in spaces for women that have huge gaps. Thank you for this great collab!
Why do we have to maintain? Why normalize fake?
I look older than my age thanks to chronic illness - yet many people think I’m younger because of my overall energy. I’m just me - I like to laugh, I love to make people laugh, I’m emotional and I express these with my face, and I smile a lot showing off my wrinkles. I feel like many people are not themselves but always trying to act a certain way, fit into norms set by ‘society’. Chronic illness has taken away from me (career, money, social life, sleep!) but it has also showed me to live and to live fully. ❤
Beautifully said x
I was at my gym once and I admired an older woman on her skin/face! She literally looked like a teenager. Of course I gave her kudos…and she told me she has a dermatologist and she gets facials from his esthetician. She gave me his info and I ended up going to his website…her dermatologist was a plastic surgeon. Although she wasn’t truthful, I can say his work speaks for himself! I take nothing away from the fact she looked FANTASTIC!
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Well she gave his name so she kind of was honest while not declaring it publicly imo
Why does society so often think older women running around looking like teenagers is a ‘fantastic’ look? I personally think they look silly and fake AF
She didn't even have to tell you anything though. Especially since you came up to her not the other way around
That’s hilarious I feel like that’s her joke w herself.
Lorry has singlehandedly made me so much more confident about my appearance. I went from wanting tons of surgeries to "fix" my face to really accepting my face and only saving up for a future facelift in a couple decades lol
I usually really like this channel but I cannot abide blatant normalization of major plastic surgery as if it’s something financially attainable or necessary for most women. Like how careless and ultimately misogynistic. No one talks this way about men and male faces and aging.
I agree & a facelift in your forties or any other age is ridiculous!
I would LOVE to see Lori do a video on Blake Lively's procedures. I think the subtlety and tasteful outcome of her procedures are way underrated. She is one of the few celebrities who didn't overdo plastic surgery.
I think she has done one! I remember watching one a little bit ago
@@SaccharineCHNOS you are right. She has a video on Blake Lively.
😃 I found the video, thank you for repying!!! 🥰
Why do we normalize getting it done at all?!?
@@lijohnyoutube101 Whoever wants to normalize it for themselves, should be allowed to do so. I'm not going to police anyone's body, even if celebrities overdo it, that's their choice and I will have to respect that.
Only half way through the episode, and I’m really hoping they’ll brooch the subject of how predatory the industry that has sprung up around plastic surgery is… I do post-op massage for all kinds of surgery but have seen a lot of plastic surgery clients. there is so much misinformation floating around and clinics that I don’t believe actually take care of their patients. It’s so clear to me that the industry in Florida and some other places really just churn people through with no regard for their well being.
And it makes it frustrating for those who need surgery and people assume you’re lying. I legit had sinus surgery for a deviated septum this year (35 yrs old), and everyone thought it was code for nose job. Like,“No Janet, I have chronic sinus infections. Would you like to see my CT scan?” They left me alone once it was obvious my nose still looks the same, just the mechanics inside work better, but it would’ve been nice to not have been questioned in the first place.
Edited to add: My husband is prescribed Ozempic for his diabetes and yes, it made him violently ill until he became accustomed to it. And because of people taking it for weight loss, there was a shortage for a bit that affected him and those like him who NEED it for their health.
Very true, there are reasons other than solely for vanity. I have a skeletal underbite, I was scammed by an ortho for convincing my parents it was me pushing my teeth out with my tongue, my teeth are lined up perfectly. I eat bone in chicken wings with a fork and knife…..but jaw reconstruction is a serious decision and has a long and hard recovery. But, the pro is not vanity, it is letting me chew normally. Cosmetic surgery has a function in this world.
To be fair a septoplasty is pretty much a rhinoplasty to fix functional issues. Tons of people do both together or say they are having septoplasty when they are doing a rhinoplasty.
Omg that’s me and my husband. He is diabetic and uses ozempic and I definitely need sinus surgery. My dad had to get it in his early 30s too because our nose just sucks and we have horrible sinus infections & allergies
@@holographicwingI feel your pain! My GP referred me to an ENT. He had me get a CT scan first because he knew the ENT would want to see it and that expedited the process a bit too.
@@kool2btrue Yes, but it sucks being told you’re doing something for vanity when you literally have sinus cavities full of bacteria that can’t clear up with antibiotics. My nose looks exactly the same. I understand some people have a “two birds, one stone” approach, but that wasn’t my situation.
This interview missed the mark for me. It’s important to consider the predatory factors that make women feel like they need these procedures in the first place. And the language that kept coming up of having “good” or “bad” features is rooted in alllll kinds of racism, ageism, misogyny… As much as I can appreciate both these creators for what they’re hoping to do, this is a very out of touch conversation.
Appreciate this comment.
Beauty is actually universally acknowledged as the same across cultures. Look up “the beauty mask”
yeah i really disliked the interviewee who was defending this horrible industry.
1) Agreed. I was hoping this interview would at least touch on racism, ageism, misogyny, classism... etc. So, I'm a bit disappointed. (p.s. If you make a podcast, I will listen to it!)
2) I'm torn about criticizing this interview because I can see so many people have found comfort and reassurance from this content. I think anything that helps shed light on unrealistic beauty standards is probably helpful. However, as a society, we're stuck in this hamster wheel of feeling inadequate and then seeking validation by either participating in that predatory system or pointing out all of the flaws in the system and criticizing those who conform. Without shifting paradigms, this cycle will continue. I really like The School of Life for this type of paradigm shift. Here's an example for those who are interested: ruclips.net/video/F7_kJijFhyE/видео.html
3) Speaking from my own experience, when I've felt badly about some aspect of my appearance, focusing on what others are or are not doing to their bodies has not provided a sustained sense of relief from that pain. Nor has it resulted in addressing the underlying issue(s) that contributed to those negative feelings. There is room for both debunking "beauty" myths and addressing root causes, but the current ratio is like 99:1 where I think it should be closer to 1:99.
This conversation really was not it. I feel like listening to two extremely privileged women who are talking about everything they have had done and everything that needs to be done for the audience in order to prevent the unpreventable - ageing.
Barely 5% of people have 20.000$ let in their bank account to spend it on plastic surgery. Not emphasizing enough what can be done if you have a low budget - lexercising escpeciallly lifting weights and most importantly eating plant based - showcases the inability of both of them to put themselves into the position of those who are not privileged.
I recently watched Lorry's video about Zac Efron, and it really brought home for me how toxic the entertainment industry must be. Like if Zac Efron could end up feeling so insecure about his appearance that he wanted to get multiple procedures done, no one is safe. It's just sad.
I really wish that there was more of a discussion about the pressure to get plastic surgery in the first place. I don't like the way Lory kept saying "you need to..." about different procedures, and the general way she (and Chelsea) talked about aging, as though it was a terrible thing that you have to prevent via procedures or you'll look sloppy. As though getting work done is a given, and as though 30k for a procedure to change how you look or look younger is something that should be budgeted for the same way having your kitchen redone should be budgeted for. These are not necessities. Everyone can do whatever they want, and of course being transparent is great, but the entire tone of this interview just left me feeling really yucky. I am not against plastic surgery or botox or whatever at all, but it isn't normal or common, except for maybe people in the 1% or people who want to be perceived as such or people spending truly obscene amounts of money on something they feel like they have to do to be seen as beautiful and young by society. Also, I know that sometimes this channel can be out of touch regarding different spending brackets, but getting elective procedures costing tens of thousands of dollars and portraying it as something that "needs" to happen is so tone deaf.
Agreed. I hardly know anyone in my daily life who has these kind of procedures, so I never even thought about it. Then hearing conversations like this make me feel like it’s a necessity when I’d never given it much thought before.
@@jessaleesimonson6836 Same - none of the older women in my life have even gotten botox, never mind surgery, and I've never once thought they should have. They look great, they're just not 25 anymore, and that's ok! When Lorry said "I felt I did need the cutting type of face lift", at 42, I'm here at 44 like... :/ I never want a face lift, and don't want to ever feel like I'm supposed to get one. It's depressing.
this! no shade to lorry (or TFD for hosting), but I hate the phrase "you need" in regards to plastic surgery. I've considered a few non-invasive procedures so I'm not anti-surgery -- but I don't *need* them. they would be total luxuries. I'm also on camera every day for my job, so I think it's a little different. none of the women in my personal life have even gotten botox, and so many of them look objectively good and "youthful"... surgery is not the only way, nor is looking youthful the most important thing.
Honestly it was a creepy episode of two women talking about all the cosmetic surgery they want to have in the future - which is fine, spend whatever you want on things that are not harming others, but I got a lot more “plastic surgery wish list and thinly veiled snark on celebrities” than insight into the pressure people are under to look youthful well beyond their youth.
If I had to guess, when she emphasizes "the need to do xyz", it's more a way of justifying or rationalizing for her own benefit why she does / did it. We all do that kind of mental game when we want to make sense of our decisions and how we see the world and ourselves. The only issue is that she's trying to make it a logical straightforward if not self evident thing when it's not. You'll never not age and your body keeps the score, especially when it comes to invasive and traumatic interventions.
I don't dislike her videos, they're pretty enlightening and entertaining to demystify Hollywood basically. however her videos about her own surgeries are frankly scary (especially her vlog post face lift surgery) and made me think long and hard about how out of touch this whole normalization of "cosmetic procedures" are. On top of being expensive, they are actually serious physical *surgeries* altering your body (not just your appearance) with all the potential things that could go wrong (cutting nerves and tissues and muscles is not "normal", anesthesia and meds and recovery after that are also something your body could do without in general). I don't really understand how the physical trauma of what you're putting your body through for the sake of chasing the illusion that you'll turn back time can simply be ignored or brushed over.
I don’t think likening surgical procedures to make up is a fair comparison. The consequences (physical, financial or otherwise) are on completely different scales. Of course someone can be « addicted » to make up and that can feed into body dysmorphia but imo it’s dangerous to say surgical procedures are just another « beautifying » tool women can add to their arsenal. I echo the sentiment I’ve seen in other comments, I wish this episode had gotten more into the pressure women are under to conform and look « good »
100%! So little is considered even in the open and honest conversations about plastic surgery!
Whenever the plastic surgery topic comes up I'm disappointed that the topic of superbugs and antibiotics never comes up considering that will be the leading killer by 2050.
This is a personal opinion of mine, but if we really wanna get deep into this, it would also be interesting to consider how many people are chronically ill in the world and 'another medical procedure' is such a horrible thing to even consider and go through and such a contrast from a lot of the plastic surgery being normalised nowadays including the facelift by 50... im personally hoping that by investing a lot of this money on my mental health i will avoid the need for this and support my body and health for when inevitable things hit.
Lastly, even though is great to have an open conversation about this topic I also find it sad when this topic comes up of how is talked about in such a blaze way... your body can't differentiate life-saving and other types of surgery...ITS A HUGE DEAL! you shouldn't just "get over the fear of surgery". it's 1000% comprehensible for many people to avoid invasive plastic surgery for so many reasons, its irresponsible to say "just get over your fear of plastic surgery and do it" in my personal view
I'm so glad you had Lorry on the show! She is so awesome. She's really helped me have more realistic expectations for aging.
This entire video exposes what a superficial society we are now.
I watch both of your channels from time to time. But this conversation was difficult to listen to and I honestly did not finish watching. Orthodontics have a lot of medical benefits. Misaligned teeth and jaws can lead to facial pain, tooth breakage, and difficulty keeping teeth and gums clean and healthy long-term. I was a bit surprised Lorry did not counter that statement that was made about orthodontics because I believe I have heard she has a dental background. I have also known two different people that had what amounted to an eye lift but it was medically indicated and covered by insurance to alleviate a tear duct issue. It was recommended by their eye doctors, not a plastic surgeon. Both people that had it done are people that would not go under a knife unless it was medically necessary. Plastic surgery just isn't of any interest to them.
In general, I think this conversation really reinforced a lot of societal pressures. I am a solidly middle-class person. I am neither rich nor poor. I cannot even imagine having the time or money to afford much of what was being discussed as minimal and common like lasers, peels, etc. I especially cannot imagine being able to take the time for myself it requires to recover after a more invasive cosmetic procedure. When I think about aging, I think more about really taking care of my overall health. It is okay to look my age. I had a friend in high school with the same birthday. He died in a car accident soon after graduation. We lived in the same area and graduated from the same school. But I have gotten to do so many things he never had a chance to do. Since then I have unfortunately known of a few others from my childhood and teen years that have already passed away. The older I get, the more I think about how many people I have literally outlived through no fault of their own and through no special action of my own. It just happened. And I am not even considered "old." I am in my 30s! Getting older is a privilege. I am getting fine lines and some loss of fullness in my face because I have had enough days on this Earth to have all sorts of emotions and expressions. I have been fortunate to use my face long enough to wear it out a little bit. Sadly, not everyone gets to achieve that.
Beautifully said, what an inspiring message. ❤
The pressure is extreme. Nowadays it's the pressure of having a high paying job/respectable job, being thin, being beautiful, being amazing at other hobbies outside of their job etc etc. All at once!
Lorry is right about paparazzi. I know someone who interned at TMZ and he said that paps almost never know where celebs are. Sometimes they do and they'll stalk them, it does happen. But most of the time they are called by the celeb or their agent.
ITA with all the cultural pressure and BS that was NOT in this discussion, but for me, I was so disappointed at how little FINANCIAL discussion went into this *TFD* video. No dollar figures until 47 minutes in, and then zero acknowledgement of how outrageous it is for 90% of the population to consider spending as much as a house downpayment or a new car or a kitchen renovation on their face. Sure, it's a choice, every spending decision has tradeoffs, yada yada, but c'mon. Do you want to be able to retire comfortably or work until you drop, pay rent forever, never travel out of the country, because you thought that looking like someone who has been blessed with longevity was just the worst.
I have a bit of a different perspective on this, for me I think that I’ve never seen celebrities as people to look like, they are out of my league, and so the idea that I could get plastic surgery to look like them puts that in my mind as a possibility. I’d rather be sold a cream that doesn’t work than a surgery that does, I don’t want to live in a world where a significant percentage of average people are getting surgeries they don’t need.
yes!! Im so worried about what is being perceived as flaws nowadays and wish to a certain degree it wasnt as normalised.
100% ppl should do whatever they want w their bodies but still... the conversation should be much deeper
Whenever the plastic surgery topic comes up I'm disappointed that the topic of superbugs and antibiotics never comes up considering that will be the leading killer by 2050.
This is a personal opinion of mine, but if we really wanna get deep into this, it would also be interesting to consider how many people are chronically ill in the world and 'another medical procedure' is such a horrible thing to even consider and go through and such a contrast from a lot of the plastic surgery being normalised nowadays including the facelift by 50... im personally hoping that by investing a lot of this money on my mental health i will avoid the need for this and support my body and health for when inevitable things hit.
Lastly, even though is great to have an open conversation about this topic I also find it sad when this topic comes up of how is talked about in such a blaze way... your body can't differentiate life-saving and other types of surgery...ITS A HUGE DEAL! you shouldn't just "get over the fear of surgery". it's 1000% comprehensible for many people to avoid invasive plastic surgery for so many reasons, its irresponsible to say "just get over your fear of plastic surgery and do it" in my personal view
If anyone’s wondering who the British actor she’s talking about at the end who had the mysterious “glow up” (aka jaw implants) in anticipation of a new marvel movie, I think it’s Will Poulter. There was huge buzz about him having a glow up awhile back, and it’s definitely looking like it wasn’t all natural…
Hello, I’m a clinical pharmacist who helps physicians manage GLP1s like Ozempic for weight loss and diabetes. There are a few key points that were left out of this video that are worth expanding on.
1. Medications like Ozempic, Trulicity, and Mounjaro are only FDA-labeled for Type 2 diabetes with uncontrolled blood sugar (not weight loss, prediabetes or diet-controlled diabetes). This means that if a clinician prescribes them “off-label” and their patient has a side effect (some, like pancreatitis, can be quite serious) they are more at fault. I am very up front with my patients and will only prescribe GLP1s labeled for weight loss (Wegovy or Saxenda) if weight-loss is the goal.
2. Physicians are not used to prescribing these medications. I often see providers prescribe the lowest dose of these products and never increase it. Not only are patients/insurances paying $700-1,000/month for these medications, but they likely aren’t seeing the weight-loss they were promised.
3. The weight loss seen in practice is much lower than what was seen in clinical trials. People should keep in mind that trials for medications like Wegovy enrolled participants who were so motivated to lose weight that they were willing to use an experimental weight-loss medication. It’s helpful to compare Wegovy’s STEP-4 trial for weight loss to Ozempic’s trials for diabetes; both have the same active ingredient (semeglutide). After 40-weeks, participants on Wegovy 2.4mg/week lost 36 lbs where participants on Ozempic 2mg/week only lost 14 lbs. My interpretation is that GLP1 medications are not very effective for passive weight loss.
4. Should insurance cover these medications? It’s a nuanced conversation and I certainly have my hot takes, but keep in mind that private insurance is still a miniaturized form of socialized medicine. Members pay premiums to cover for the care of those that need it. Should insurers cover a very expensive medication when it’s used off-label and often at doses that are too low to be effective? I would argue no.
5. The hype and demand for these medications have made them nearly impossible to find. There are currently shortages of Trulicity, Ozempic and Mounjaro. I have many patients who worked hard to control their blood sugars and decrease their risk of heart/eye/kidney damage by using these medications. It’s disheartening to see their blood sugars back-slide during this time.
There’s certainly a lot more to talk about and I would be happy to discuss this topic further if you want to reach out.
Shouldn't we be discussing the problem of ageism and toxic beauty ideals before we make plastic surgery the "norm?" Shouldn't we be promoting healthy self esteem instead? Plastic surgery isn't a problem in itself but what message are we sending? This episode just felt wrong on so many levels.
ABSOLUTELY.
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT THIS
This discussion made me sad. In my opinion, women who are so consumed by the comparison with Hollywood stars are better off working on their mental health and life purpose than spending their energy researching "improvements" others made to their body as to maybe get ideas of what they could do themselves. This whole video seemed like a commercial for aestethic interventions and felt pretty triggering for me, a woman who worked her entire life to make peace with her flaws.
I whole-heartedly agree. And I hope you're able to continue protecting your peace. ❤️❤️
Just as a note, when she says “diabetes” she means type 2. Those drugs can be very dangerous for people with type 1
It can help with t1ds who experience insulin resistance too. I have t1d and it’s helped me cut my long acting insulin in half and lose weight. However, it happened slowly over a realistic period of time-appx 20 pounds in about 1 year. You just need confidence to adjust your insulin/have a good team to review your numbers with but it’s not ‘dangerous’ for t1ds if needed.
Yes type 2 diabetes is a choice
Agree with the overpriced skincare! Learned from my experience (or mistake 😅) its better to invest in dermatology than expensive skincare
My dermatologist gave me 1 product and works like magic. Ain't nobody got time for 12 step skincare
@@thisisyourfinalwarning 12 steps has got rid of breakouts for me. Different strokes, different folks.
Should mention all lower end.
I'm a Medical Aesthetician in dermatology, the best thing you can do for your skin is sunscreen, a quality L- ascorbic acid vitamin C, and a form of retinol. That is it.
I’d never heard of Lorry Hill before this video but I’m skipping on over to her channel as soon as I’m finished watching this. What a great conversation!
I do agree it’s best to assume any famous person has gotten something done, however big or small. Plastic surgery isn’t going anywhere, and so it should be ok to be transparent but I often think we gloss over not knowing the long term effect of certain “tweakments”. Even I looked into skin tightening only to discover that it could make certain things worse (melting the fat in your face), and with filler we’re seeing people now who’ve been doing it for years and the effect it’s had on the health of their facial tissue which makes something that should have been more straightforward (like a facelift) very challenging/complicated later on. It’s never ending. The beauty industry is a huge moneymaker and likely will continue to be.
I have a personal grievance/vendetta against how common nose jobs are because more often than not it’s used to erase “ethnic” features (rather than fix a functional deformity or an “extreme” variation).
100% .. im worried about what is being perceived as flaws nowadays.
Whenever the plastic surgery topic comes up I'm disappointed that the topic of superbugs and antibiotics never comes up considering that will be the leading killer by 2050.
This is a personal opinion of mine, but if we really wanna get deep into this, it would also be interesting to consider how many people are chronically ill in the world and 'another medical procedure' is such a horrible thing to even consider and go through and such a contrast from a lot of the plastic surgery being normalised nowadays including the facelift by 50... im personally hoping that by investing a lot of this money on my mental health i will avoid the need for this and support my body and health for when inevitable things hit.
Lastly, even though is great to have an open conversation about this topic I also find it sad when this topic comes up of how is talked about in such a blaze way... your body can't differentiate life-saving and other types of surgery...ITS A HUGE DEAL! you shouldn't just "get over the fear of surgery". it's 1000% comprehensible for many people to avoid invasive plastic surgery for so many reasons, its irresponsible to say "just get over your fear of plastic surgery and do it" in my personal view
@@rba4377the antibiotics issue is pertinent and not one I'd considered. To be fair to Lorry though she's probably dissuaded me more than encouraged me to have surgery after watching a few of her videos. She is extremely open about recovery and possible negative consequences
Lorry is so good at making you see any plastic procedures in a very sobering light. No they are not the worst, but they will also not make you look like a goddess - they are a problem solving tool. Looking at before and afters on realself also helps to even out your expectations/reality scales.
Patti Smith is my icon for aging. She is such an individual.
YES! A collab I didn’t know I needed. I found Lorry Hill’s channel this year and I’m so glad I did. She’s a breath of fresh air on RUclips for sure!
I enjoy Lorry’s channel because she focuses on the cosmetic work that may have been done and explains how she came to that opinion. It’s very focused and targeted, and eye opening for the audience.
This conversation however required a more intellectual approach, willing to look at the nuances of what’s really the trigger, the sociology of the whole thing. I don’t think that’s the strength of the two speakers. It’s a very interesting topic - bring on someone who can talk about the psyche, the societal conditioning, the euro centricity of the standards, the superiority / inferiority complexes etc. It’s a very deep topic that has a lot to uncover
Chelsea’s approach to beauty is similar to the approach to capitalism. She critiques aspects of the system and acknowledges the deep flaws, but ultimately her goal is to give tools to gaming the system, rather than exploring how to dismantle or deconstruct the system (which requires a deeper upstanding of all the mechanisms and likely not as profitable of a stance).
What an iconic duo! I hope these two make more content together in the future.
Please look into having Jessica DeFino on as a guest---she is incredible! She discusses the myth of skincare and the economical, environmental and ethical costs of the beauty industry and beauty culture. You must look into her!!!!
Yes! Totally agree I would love this
@@kalle-demos Right?! I don't have social media so I don't know how to get Chelsea and the gals to prioritize discovering her, but we all need more DeFino in our lives!
Yes!
On many occasions throughout highschool my own mother told me I needed a nose job. There were other things, but I feel like it was her comparing me to girls on reality TV that were getting surgery at 18-19 years old. If any of my peers had echoed those views I would have hopped in the seat the moment I had the opportunity.
Same. I know mine did not say it maliciously, but up until this day, I am very self-conscious about my nose. As a result, I make sure to tell my kids that their features are perfect (even if they aren't)
Late to this convo but enjoyed the vid regardless. I do wish it was discussed how problematic normalizing these procedures are though. Although transparency is important to help people see they're not looking at something realistic, I fear it makes more people, specifically women, believe this is normal/okay. Along with the risk involved, the cost is VERY prohibitive. I wonder how many women are in debt or facing financial hardship for these procedures. What I have found that many don't want to be e open about are the insecurities that are beneath many getting these things done, and they go beyond what we see in social media and TV. Those things just validate our fears but I think our peers have more influence. When we speak about celebs for better or worse or complain about our appearance we send a message to others that there is a "right" way to be. Even in this vid, Lorry mentioned "good genes" and a "good nose." Honestly, that's all relative and social conditioning. Although I think celebs like the Kardashians should be more honest, I do think this whole "if it makes me happy/self care" lingo we use to speak of this stuff is bull and toxic.
That was such a good intro Chelsea! I've followed Lorry Hill for years and that intro perfectly describes her mission, given that many people claims she shames plastic surgery when that's not the case at all!
I love that this podcast interviews most of the channels I watch and feel like no one else does! Love the depth our favorite CEO brings to the table!
This just felt like a bunch of plastic surgery advocacy, which to me, doesn’t seem like the best financial (or health) decision. How about we not focus on other people and their insecurities (which is normally why they get surgery in the first place) and just focus on our own lives?
Right? All of the arguments against plastic surgery are ignored. There’s so much more to life than obsessing about your appearance.
And what is wrong with that ? If you have the time and money to afford to look good then good for you. It's not a necessity but let's not ignore our society's obsession and benefited that come with looking good and how it affects everyday life for the average person
I love Lorry Hill! I've learned so much from her channel and I feel like she presents everything with such a good lens.
Bring on Dr. Linkov please! He is a plastic surgeon and speaks well about the different medical risks for different procedures. Love this collab!
LOVE Lorry! Thanks for sharing this on RUclips!
I feel like there are a few seemingly conflicting thoughts around this discussion: 1) normalizing cosmetic procedures = feeding capitalist exploitation of insecurities; and 2) normalizing cosmetic procedures = promoting transparency, removing shame/stigma around vanity, and having realistic expectations of aging. It's likely both are true. But I think Chelsea has previously said she doesn't want to judge anyone for how they cope/conduct themselves in a patriarchal, capitalist society and on that, I agree and believe that's the scope/intention of this video.
But more broadly, I have to acknowledge it's hard to reconcile accepting yourself (not necessarily loving yourself, but making peace with your appearance) while an increasing number of people around you spend thousands of dollars to change themselves (because it's not just celebrities on camera now, it's anyone who is regularly photographed/recorded; and how many children nowadays say their career goal is RUclipsr?). It ends up being a hint that you're out of step if you want to keep up. Also, the people with means are able to be/stay pretty and the rest are stuck with their genes. In the end, for me at least, the question is: if it's normal it's probably not wrong, so if it's not wrong, is there any reason to discourage it? My gut says yes, but I don't actually know why that'smy answer. (Another metric: if it's not hurting anyone, why should we care? No it's not strictly hurting anyone, but does that mean it's not contributing to something harmful?) Before cosmetic procedures, at least it was just you were born pretty or not. But now, if you could make yourself prettier, why wouldn't you?
Chelsea is spot on, I try to dress better when I'm going to hang out with female friends who also dress well, because I want to look good next to them.
It's always fascinated me since I live in the midwest (IL) and I feel like people in movies and tv look nothing like all the real people I see daily
As an orthodontist, a beautiful smile is a happy side effect of treating conditions that are detrimental to overall health and life quality. Please be more informed when making such statements.
Absolutely love Lorry because she does her research, is non judgmental, has a great knowledge base, I respect Lorry because I truly believe she wants to educate these young people who are lied to daily!
This episode was like a Christmas present to me thank you both!!!
Glad to see two Queens ✨ together! I love both your content, humor and mission!
I should not be shocked that two women respect are gravitating towards eachother.
LOVE Lorry and her channel! She's so gentle and kind seeming in this interview 😍
Love Lorry! Her videos help me keep the anxiety around perfection in check.
I love both of you girls and have for over a year now. Was surprised to see this collab but loved it! The best. Keep it up!
What an amazing conversation. It is so refreshing! Love you both!
I need to know what British actor they're talking about. 👀
Shout out to Kevin Costner's digitally touched up hairline in Water World ✌️
(I don't know why)
Edit: I guess I just want people to know 🤷
Yes, please Lori talk about aging more. I am one of your followers, and I’m in my 50s
I’m so happy that Lorri’s Chanel has helped spread the truth about Cosmetics Procedures and non-invasive treatments.
Love this conversation! Thanks for both of you keeping it real
I have a hard time with someone who can't come out and say a nose job for a 14 year old is most likely an exploitation...or come out and call vain people vain. Or a vain society vain. Other cultures honor their elders; we are disgusted by the signs of age and do anything to get rid of them. Famous people don't age anymore; they stay frozen at some zombified late-30s stage, if not younger, which costs them tremendous time, effort and treasure to maintain, none of which they admit. For people who make their living in the public eye it's a matter of investment. Girls in particular are so pressured to conform to very unrealistic appearance standards; and the fact is, society will accept them better, you will be more successful, if you do. It's understandable that there's a reaction in the other way...I think strict extreme standards that expect people to be underweight leads to *both* anorexia and obesity problems.
I also disagree that minor modification = major, that is there's no difference. There is very much a difference between wearing some makeup and doing facial modification! Expense, time investment, and risk to your health, for starters!
That's another issue that is totally lost in all this - the health risks to having surgery of any kind. No surgery is without risk, and cosmetic procedures have resulted in death and permanent injury for lots of people, but that gets swept under the rug. *No* surgery should be undertaken casually.
Plus the serious likelihood that you will not like the results of the surgery; it may not go well, there may be complications, the skill of the practitioner may not be what you thought...
"No surgery is without risk" Absolutely. I don't think the risk has sunk in for Lorry. I watched one of her videos and she was surprised to experience a negative outcome (necrosis of the nose) of one of her surgeries and made it sound like her doctor did not inform her of the risk beforehand. I wasn't in the room with them but telling people that you can fucking die in surgery is standard practice for doctors.
Thabk you SO much for saying exactly what was on my mind. The RISKS and COST of make up vs PS is VAST. And it is ridiculous to compare them.
And 100% if you GIVE INTO that societal pressure, you are contributing to the social stigma against natural faces and advocating that PS faces are better and more valuable and contributing to that societal beauty shift. I'm liberal asf, but I simply dont care how "unfeminist" i sound when I say I don't agree with "if u wanna do it for yourself thats fine" bc few choices in life are ever only going to affect you in this life. To participate in PS, you are creating a shift in what beauty is and what is acceptable for a person to have on their face. You are contibuting to other ppl hating their own faces. You are contibuting to a culture where wearing your own natural face is shameful and undesirable. I don't love my profile and u know what? I could have a smaller nose. But quite frankly, I don't really notice that bc I am well loved by the ppl in my life despite that, and while PS can give me MORE romantic attention, I'm okay with the amount I already recieve, I don't need to be for everyone, and honestly, I value the ppl around me for more than just their looks and surround myself with others who also love my soul more than my skin. If you are constantly thinking about appearance, ask yourself why u do that and who you are surrounding yourself with that value appearance and whether they are a source of insecurity for you and whather that is the behavior, ideals, and values you actually want to emulate. If you do, at least you are now self aware of how much you value and prize vanity over other human characteristics. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but you can't be mad when you are judged based on the values you clearly hold.
"I have a hard time with someone who can't come out and say a nose job for a 14 year old is most likely an exploitation." For real. 14yos are little kids. Omg, don't tell a 14yo that's she's right to hate her perfectly good nose and that she ought to get it "fixed". That's anti-woman, anti-girl, and I hate it.
I also agree that there's a difference between wearing makeup and getting unnecessary surgery. I think they were being dishonest when they implied that it's impossible to rank those things and say one is worse than the other. No woman has ever died from putting on a little mascara. Can we say the same thing about women submitting to unnecessary surgery???
And then they start justifying cosmetic procedures because it gives you a high. LIke when Lorry was talking about recovering from her face lift. So... getting your face sliced up is physically harmful and agonizing, immediately afterword you regret it, during the long recovery you still kinda regret it, after it's finally healed you get a temporary "high". And then after a little while they want to get another procedure done so that they can feel that "high" again. For what? Don't they see how dangerous that is? Are they really that lacking in self-awareness? They're just addicted to the high of self-harm. And they freely admit it as if that isn't deranged and sad.
Loved this collab! I'm subscribed to you both!
Anyone else feel like there was double thinking happening in this episode? In the same breath they were criticizing celebrities for never talking about the work they've had done, but then they bleep out the name of a male celebrity who's obviously had it?
And it seemed totally arbitrary whether they talked about plastic surgery as being excessive or being a totally normal thing.
They bleeped it out to avoid potential ligation. As they mentioned, some celebs will go after you for slander for even mentioning they had work done.
Oooh two of my favorite channels combined! Didn’t know you two knew each other! This is such a treat!
Loved this collab!!
The concept of beauty as goodness and ugliness being the outward mark of evil dates back to at least ancient Greece
👏 bravo❤ two of my faves!!!! Thank y’all!
my two favorite channels collide! so happy for this conversation, love Lorry Hill!
36:25 Actually it is not a really new trend, the bodybuilding community is doing it. Men are taking it because allegedly it helps you stay young. I take metformin too and it is for Insuline resistance, and I can confirm that the results in terms of weight loss are great but VERY slow if your body needs it (it is not about digesting slower as said, but the blood sugar levels stay stable and you are not immediately hungry after eating like diabetes type 2 patients are). The good thing is that you are not always tired and hangry. It is also hard to appreciate food if you have a metallic taste on your mouth all the time, and tend to get spicy food, just to taste something. Horrible side effects like diarrhea, stomach cramps and feeling nauseous hours after eating. Taking Metformin on an empty stomach is also a disgrace.
It makes me so happy when two of my favorite RUclipsrs collaborate!
Brows lips lashes girl here too! I think those little definitions are what make me feel that goes from a mess to put together.
Oh wow. So happy to see Lorry on here. That's dope. What a great collaboration! 👍🏾
She weirdly looks and speaks like someone in their 20s. She's about 2x that age and regardless of how "good" the procedures are, people look weird and, at times, are hard to look at.
Oh! que sorpresa 2 de mis youtubers favoritas juntas!! 🤩
Two of my very favorite RUclipsrs TOGETHER! 🥰
It seems like a lot of problems talked about here could be resolved if we just got rid of the celebrity 😂 A girl can dream
In a sense we can, limiting my exposure to media by only watching movies and not having tv or social media helps a lot in being confortable with myself. I hope the same for everyone because we really don't need those things ! My next move is to get rid of youtube ;) I'm tired of looking passively at something when I can do something while listening to music or podcast.
Are there people out there at 70/80/90 years old with a face-lift or other surgeries? I'd love to know what you look like as you age
Thank you, Chelsea & Lorry Hill. I deeply appreciate that you, Chelsea, and the people you interview often recognize and openly acknowledge the various types of privilege. Thank you for that. My philosophy simply put is: Your Body, Your Choice. My Body, My Choice. I'm sick of people shaming others, or backbiting. What someone else does to their appearance or what others wear is of little consequence to The Big Picture. Let's just be kind & compassionate to ourselves and each other and Mother 🌍 Love this channel! Thank you, Chelsea!
omg I love Lorry!!! this was such a great video
What an amazing episode! I love Lorry! I need to start saving for a facelift!
J'adore Lorry! Quelle belle surprise de la voir sur votre chaîne que j'aime tout autant! ☺️🙌
My mom identifies as a tomboy; she has short hair, never wears dresses or makeup. Because of this I grew up not doing makeup because my she never showed me how or pressured me to (& we couldn't afford it). So I feel very comfortable not wearing any makeup or even sometime having a Pimple patches on my face. I now have adult acne and see a dermatologist. But I still rarely wear makeup aside from eyeliner & mascara unless it's a special occasion
Thank you Lorry!!!
Hi Chelsea! Could you please fix the sound quality on the podcasts it is way too low volume wise and a little muffled so we have to turn it way up and when ads come up it's like instant wiplash!
Such a fun and honest chat
I'm curious to check out her channel, but she did not seem very interested or excited about being Chelsea's guest. I usually put on the video and go about my business around the house and listen to the interviews, but this time I watched it; she barely made eye contact.
Well, I've just watched one of her videos, and her demeanor is basically the same. So, looks like that's the way she speaks. No harm, no foul.
I'd rather have someone be authentically low key than fake enthusiasm:) besides she was a much more pleasant guest than the minimalists lol
My friend has a migraine more days than not in a year and one of the things they do for her is the botox. I can imagine it helps because I get migraines too and they start as tension headaches. So, if those muscles are relaxed it would help prevent the migraine.
I get Botox for migraines and it’s a little bit that, but it also has a really cool interaction with inhibiting the creation of a neurochemical called CRPG that is believed to be part of the migraine mechanism in the brain.
Botox is crazy because it works so different on everybody!! I got botox for cosmetics reasons and I had a migraine for a week straight.
I LOOOVEEE when my favorite channels cross over!