Myth 6/6 is win for M+ only player. I'll finally be able to reach ilvl equality with CE Mythic raiders after enough GVaults. The problem isn't Myth 6/6. The problem is M+ only players can only get ONE Myth track piece per week and I'll take that every day over never having a chance to reach the same ilvl as CE Mythic raiders
So why the heck aren't they also extending the hero track to 8/8.. Would accomplish the same goal of stretching out the gearing process but does not widen the gap between m+ and m raid while also including heroic raiders
@@claankz When you said " Would accomplish the same goal" I thought you meant INSTEAD of having Myth be 6/6 just do Heroic to 8/8 and leave Myth as 4/4. I would have no problem with them making Hero 8/8 as long as they keep Myth 6/6 so M+ can push their vault gear all the way up.
As a dev, the code lock thing at the beginning. To somewhat simplify. That "lock" will probbaly be on client side and game engine. So they can ship "THIS" version of the game and deploy it for launch. Tuning numbers could potentially can be done at anytime as that is usually just changing numbers in some database in the backend, whcih arent typically tied to a client-side lock.
I'm in a casual family guild. We do Normal Raid, maybe 8/9 Heroic with about 10-14 people. We do M+ up to maybe 8's (old 18's). I don't pug at all. Delves even as is, will be great to do late at night when none of my guildies are on. Or if we dont have enough for a full M+ group. In those cases currently, if I've done WQ's and LFR, I have nothing else Solo to do. It's fine to want Delves to be better, but even as is, its a form of progression that doesn't exist. We casuals just like spending time in the game. It doesn't have to be super hard or complicated to be fun. It's really just instanced WQ's.
@@craigmitchell3205I’m sure. 1 hour in she’s said one thing and it wasn’t a take on anything except that dratnos was fast with a response. Insane takes! Woahhh count me in. Not saying she’s bad but man this simping is out of control.
I love this episode so much! The mix of random conversations is great. During the Cataclysm expansion, I primarily focused on PvP, with occasional dungeon runs to help the guild level up. I was constantly on Ventrilo, playing with friends in premade groups for battlegrounds, rated battlegrounds, and arenas. I created several alts like a warrior, holy paladin, and mage, and exclusively focused on PvP. There was fantastic guild and faction competition back then because everything was purely server-based. We used to have massive brawls with another PvP guild across the world whenever someone got ganked while questing. Thanks to the "Have Group, Will Travel" ability, we could summon a full party anywhere. This was also the first time I started using key bindings and macros. I remember my arms warrior had 36 key binds, and I thought it was the coolest thing ever!
I think the problem lies with the weekly real life time gate. If you play the game a lot and do not mythic raid, after a certain time on your main, you can NOT get any more upgrades from M+ end of dungeon and are ONLY getting gear upgrades from the vault, which starts to drain motivation to play. Doing 8 keys just for a vault feels more like a checklist chore and not really compelling. I usually quit playing after I get all heroic track pieces BiS and upgraded but never ever ever finish an entire season with full vault Myth track BiS. Ever. I am willing to do work for gear, but I want to do the work when I have time/want to do the work. I do not want to wait 15 weeks like, by that time the hype is gone, other game releases have came out, friends are doin other stuff. Why the hell are we waiting to the end of the season to push high keys because our gear is finally high enough, instead of the beginning of the patch when everyone actually wants to play the game????????
Also saying Multistrike was just like crit is crazy. Yea i mean functionally it's rng more damage, but the dopamine you get when you double cast spells is way higher, take it from an ele shaman player.
Fronk make sure to be recording Max's stream for RWF so you can mash all the notable bits into a video which can then be reacted to on the first Poddy episode after the race. Also we are still waiting for the Max/Dratnos (+ others?) predictions, class talks, and to know if RWF is going to be on YT or not. Could also do comparison videos of Twitch chat vs YT chat during yap streams if there's a severe lack of content.
I would like to see a bonus episode where Fronk would cut the vid in a way, that everyone would just praise him, how awesome job he is doing. It would be like a puppet master directing his puppets, making them say whatever he wants. :D Great content guys and awesome editing Fronk!
@@Ermji I think that was for the items you bought from dinars. But with the new system it would work really well I think. For example it could cost like 2 or 3 of the crafting aspect items to upgrade between tracks. But they definitely need to increase aspect drops for this. 1020 aspect crests to upgrade everything is ridiculous.
I actually don’t think I’m excited for the 13th delve because it’s role agnostic. I have a feeling it’s just going to be tuned awful because every spec does the same thing, so it’s going to be awful for every spec.
Would love to hear more from the man of the people, tettles and megasett. I was lucky enough to tune in to the last parts of the actual stream, and there were so many views it got the conversation flowing even better
One thing the Pod isnt thinking about but most players dont get or view vault myth track as the end. As a heroic raider. Myth is nice but heroic gear is where i stop caring
Delves were made for myself based off of every description in this podcast so far "Solo" content? Amazing. Seems like expanded world questing? I love dailies like a weirdo (I have been doing Argent Tournament for months and almost finished with all MoP dailies).
My personal opinion concerning the upgrade system is simply the requirement of lower tier crest farming. I would hope they add a system that allows you to get lower tier crests when completing higher key levels. This would make gearing alts much easier
Titanforging in the current system could be OK, a raid drops 1/8 champion for 1st boss on normal. It could be ok for that to 'titanforge' up to a 8/8 champion.
I think a warforge of 2/8 and titanforge of 4/8 would be more reasonable. If you scaled the 7 tier jump there would be people in RWF getting 6/6 myth track in the first week swinging stuff out of control.
re: delves, they’re meant to be a solo equivalent to m+ and raids. they’re not going to tailor them to specific classes or specs because that’s not the point. kill 12 kobolds, pick up 10 candles but way more difficult is nothing like what we have now, and it’s super rewarding to overcome a challenge on your own. and how can you say “just play elden ring” to wow players who enjoy wow and enjoy their characters?? like they play nothing like each other I haven’t played delves so maybe it won’t be any good, but I’m still looking forward to it in the way it’s been described. if nothing else it’s a good stepping stone toward group content because you can actually feel the impact of your decisions and understand your mistakes. it’s hard to get better without external feedback, and group content doesn’t really give you that unless you’re in a group with people you know. I learned more about how to play well doing horrific visions than I ever have in any other content.
i do have to say the majority of what i have seen in the havoc disc is not blaming Realz, it's some blaming of whoever either did or didn't replace him and much more blaming Blizz's whole process and lack of response to any feedback. Realz did great things in dragonflight for the design of DH (a couple questionable things like chaotic disposition) while also working on another class, and was very open to feedback, so im glad he got a promotion and hope he is happy with whatever he is working on now. I just wish they had assigned someone with any sense of how the class works or what the players do/dont like as his replacement, instead of what seems to be someone who never looked at DH before they got the position.
Funny how dorki says how terrible the last boss in rise is because of tons of group dmg and having to be moving yet his favorite dungeon has the epitome of that in the 3rd boss(sanguine depths) 😏
Imo 3rd in SD was way less about dodging swirlies and more about the orb and shield mechanic on higher keys. The arena is also much smaller. Last boss on Rise is absolute ass to heal since your dps are running after the adds, and you have to sit in the soaks to not kill the group.
I think one of the major things that the increased myth tracks brings, that was overlooked, is that it will naturally nerf the raid (and dungeons) week after week. One of the major criticisms of the last raid was guilds reaching the end bosses with roughly the same ilvl as Liquid, and hitting a wall. Allowing for all the gear to go 6 ilvls higher should fix that. No real downside to the 6/6 myth track for the majority of players as it is simply in addition to what we already had, and allows us to progress further than before. I would still love to see a faster acquisition rate or a catch up for alts though.
I believe another option to reduce the heating back between those who only Play m+ vs those who mythic raid is to have it where when you complete keys that give you myth track gear in your vault have a chance to upgrade your drop to myth track.
As a high rated pvper I’m looking forward to delves so i can gear up pve gear and play with my wife. My wife and I loved torghast just because we could both do it together and it had progression. She is also good at pvp but prefer scalable content. My brother and dad are also coming back to the game to play them. My best friend also mainly does solo content along side pvp so delves for my circle of people are going to be really awesome.
I think the extended mythic track is to help people outgear encounters as the season goes on. This is a direct response to Max pointing out that liquid/echo were very close to the ilvl cap when they killed fyrakk.
Add an extra layer to the discount on upgrading gear on alts and add a 50% discount on crest spending next to the already existing Flightstone discount you get from having a higher ilvl item on a specific slot on your main. Easily implemented and solves all alt gearing shenanagans.
Fully with you Max about needing a faster catch up method for alts. I will absolutely quit before doing all that regear again Also the talking over Meg is pretty wild
to expand on what max said at 33:00 what makes it even worse is when you're staring down the barrel of "okay, i need 120 myth track crests to max out my character, nice! thats like 5 dungeons and im good to go on myth track crests, but i also need 400 hero track crests to be able to use those 120 myth track crests" "okay, so now i have to either farm 25 meaningless lower tier dungeons to get those 400 hero track crests, OR i can farm 50 of the higher tier dungeon so that it caps my myth track crests before it even STARTS to drop the lower tier crests for me" the simplest solution is that instead of having to cap your crest to get the lower tier crest from that dungeon level, 2 weeks in, dungeons that drop myth also drop half as many hero track crests -> 4 weeks in they also drop champ track (or vet, i dont really know what crests are directly below hero track) -> 6 weeks in dungeons that drop myth also drop vet/champ (whichever wasn't dropped at week 4) or something along those lines, so that as you're 2 months into the patch playing an alt, you dont have to do 40 6's to get all the crests you need to upgrade gear that you're getting dropped from a 10 or a 12 or a 14, or whatever key level you're doing above the key level you have to farm crests at if you play an alt week 2, you only have to do ~20(timed) dungeons before the catchup mechanic starts if you're playing an alt week 4, now you're staring down the barrel of 40 or more before the catchup mechanic even STARTS for you, which means most of the time by the time you GET TO THE CATCHUP you've either quit the alt because you're like "holy shit this sucks" or you've already bit the bullet and went to farm the crests the natty way and are mad that you had to do 40 6s just for crests to catchup to use the crests you got out of the 10s you farmed the hero track gear in in the first place
Not sure if anyone else feels this way, but I view WoW as a hobby. I like to play it when there's hype and the guild is poppin' and tons of people online and we're pushing in raid and m+ etc etc. And I love to play in the off-season when the tourists are gone and the locals hang out and do meta achievements or farm tmogs or crank shadowlands tables...whatever. There's something to do, no matter the season. I log in to wow everyday and what I do just depends on the season. Sometimes it's fast and sometimes it's slow, but it's the game I play either way.
24:00 such an elite take from most of you guys. Like is top 1% not considered high keys? Literally every CE raider who wants to push themselves now can do that WAY better than before when you had "push weeks" You can just send keys whenver you have time for it thats like 98% of the m+ players lol I predict we will have INSANE increase in m+ keys at the +10 and above level
1:32:47 "Imagine if right smack dab at the beginning of the pandemic it was season 4 BFA" it actually was lol BFA s4 started on Jan 21st, 2020. That is essentially the start of the pandemic. I realized this because COVID is exactly why I got into WoW again in the first place, and I started up during season 4 BFA in like early to mid February since quarantine/lockdowns were starting to roll out.
Something I think they missed talking about regarding gearing alts. The fact that I had to spam 5s to get wyrm crests, while getting champion gear sucked! Atleast they changed that in TWW, now I can farm 7-8s to get hero track items and wyrms crests. I still think they should buff crest drops for alts aswell
Why has the myth track change been taken as gospel at this point ? Haven't these things been commonly tooltip bugs before? No blue post or confirmation from blizzard, right?
If you actually check the adventure guide in Retail RN myth track caps at 4 instead of 6 so either it will extend in like... a month due to leaving dragonflight fully (This sort of feels unlikely), or it was just a bug.
@@fleshhunter8703 agree with this and am kind of surprised there's no word from blizzard and everyone assuming it's not a bug. (not saying it's defo a bug either ofc).
What if they added a form of titanforging that if you did a high m+ (idk lets just say like 12-15+) there was a chance the gear at the end could drop and/or titanforge within the myth track, that way it not only gives incentive to do higher keys but also makes them still worth doing when youre at the point of gearing where you're just hoping your vault gives you an upgrade.
"Imagine if right at smackdab the beginning of the pandemic it was Season 4 BFA" wasnt that like literally what happened? S4 BFA was Jan 21 2020 and the pandemic started March 11 2020
As a heroic raider and casual M+ player, the gearing through raid and M+ as well as great vault was perfect in season 4. I always felt like I could upgrade something or get better gear by pushing a higher key. Or just get crests by doing a little lower but easier one. This new system is just going to make it take longer and basically not make me want to play M+ really at all. After raid is done, I’ll just take my alt to raids and skip M+. It’s a bigger grind for minimal gains. With warbands we are supposed to play alts and not be stuck on mains forever.
Idk Delves seems really amazing, my Dad plays every so often but retail there is a little too much happening but he told me delves are incredible simple and bearable he enjoys them... Both me and him agreed it does require them to continue developing on it
As a pug player i'm always happy for gear equity between M+ and Mythic Raiding, the mid legion nerfs to M+ gearing caused me to quit until Dragonflight this month
Copeium for sure! What happened to the whole we are taking away from the end of this to make sure the beginning and moving forward is stellar... I have a feeling this will be reoccurring and yeah we are slowly and slowly getting less for our money and getting raked over those investor coals.
@@Gaius_Sinstone yah hes still asking for that regardless lol. And i agree, having a lower max:others ratio is always good. I like max, but hes like when you shoot a machine gun in a video game, it heats up pretty fast and u have to let it cool down
@@quintit I don’t disagree but, he didn’t ask for anything, he just implied they brought her on the podcast & didn’t let her talk, which isn’t true. It was just a stream they happened to be chatting on
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The crest costs we talked about: i.imgur.com/hpv0Tqi.png
Myth 6/6 is win for M+ only player. I'll finally be able to reach ilvl equality with CE Mythic raiders after enough GVaults. The problem isn't Myth 6/6. The problem is M+ only players can only get ONE Myth track piece per week and I'll take that every day over never having a chance to reach the same ilvl as CE Mythic raiders
So why the heck aren't they also extending the hero track to 8/8..
Would accomplish the same goal of stretching out the gearing process but does not widen the gap between m+ and m raid while also including heroic raiders
@@claankz Wrong. Because very rare items would still be above the Myth 4/4 track an that ilvl still unattainable by M+ only players.
@@googleaccount2821 what are you talking about? 8/8 hero was in addition to 6/6 myth.. just so that they don't widen the gap.
@@claankz When you said " Would accomplish the same goal" I thought you meant INSTEAD of having Myth be 6/6 just do Heroic to 8/8 and leave Myth as 4/4. I would have no problem with them making Hero 8/8 as long as they keep Myth 6/6 so M+ can push their vault gear all the way up.
The fucking picture of Dratos realizing he forgot to hit record got me so good
For the first seven minutes I honestly couldn’t tell if Dratnos was a photo or listening intensely.
Hell yeah! Love Megasett getting some exposure super underrated!
growl on tilt over delves is HILARIOUS lmaoooo
I loved that part hahahahahah
@@Queluhhh growl goated
Timestamp plzzz
ROOOFL best part of the podcast
@@syriek 1:25:00
"WHO ARE THESE DELVE ANDYS!?"
I loved it when Growl lost his shit.
mole people 😂
Dratnos, Dorki, and Max are easily in my top 10 guests on Poddy C
"My dad plays delves" , please invite megasett more often holy shit HAHAHAH she killed growl there so bad
"ARE THE DELVE PEOPLE WITH US IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW!?!?!?!?!?" - Growl
love it
DrattyT intro means it's gonna be a good one.
Going to put this here. I am a subterranean human that wants to do delves so I can brainlessly clear big world quest as a bear.
"big world quests"
bro I love your energy
Growl and Megasett are based and intelligent, and Tettles is
So what you‘re saying is the original PoddyC cast is useless… 🤣🤣🤣
Finally I get to listen to Angry Growl again 🙂
Fronk you're an absolute legend. Max, Dorki, Dratnos, pay this man well.
Fronk's alt account has been discovered
great comment thanks fronk
As a dev, the code lock thing at the beginning. To somewhat simplify. That "lock" will probbaly be on client side and game engine. So they can ship "THIS" version of the game and deploy it for launch. Tuning numbers could potentially can be done at anytime as that is usually just changing numbers in some database in the backend, whcih arent typically tied to a client-side lock.
Meg as a guest on a normal episode would go so hard
I appreciate the picture that was picked for dratnos
Meg is the new Growl
I just loved how Growl rages. You guys make my week.
Dratnos looks like he is watching Boromir's speech to Aragorn at the end of LOTR.
I'm in a casual family guild. We do Normal Raid, maybe 8/9 Heroic with about 10-14 people. We do M+ up to maybe 8's (old 18's). I don't pug at all. Delves even as is, will be great to do late at night when none of my guildies are on. Or if we dont have enough for a full M+ group. In those cases currently, if I've done WQ's and LFR, I have nothing else Solo to do. It's fine to want Delves to be better, but even as is, its a form of progression that doesn't exist. We casuals just like spending time in the game. It doesn't have to be super hard or complicated to be fun. It's really just instanced WQ's.
It doesn't even matter if they aren't that good rn, IF they keep on working on delves.
Can Megasett join every time? Literally the best takes on everything, and also super great delivery.
I’m sure that’s the reason..
@@benjaminghazi787 why are you under every comment praising her? Do you hate women?
@benjaminghazi787 well I like dudes, so... Daddy Dratty and Max win for those reasons.
@@craigmitchell3205I’m sure. 1 hour in she’s said one thing and it wasn’t a take on anything except that dratnos was fast with a response. Insane takes! Woahhh count me in. Not saying she’s bad but man this simping is out of control.
@@benjaminghazi787 honestly they just say anything. megasett barely says anything entire episode compared to max growl and tettles
I love this episode so much! The mix of random conversations is great. During the Cataclysm expansion, I primarily focused on PvP, with occasional dungeon runs to help the guild level up. I was constantly on Ventrilo, playing with friends in premade groups for battlegrounds, rated battlegrounds, and arenas. I created several alts like a warrior, holy paladin, and mage, and exclusively focused on PvP.
There was fantastic guild and faction competition back then because everything was purely server-based. We used to have massive brawls with another PvP guild across the world whenever someone got ganked while questing. Thanks to the "Have Group, Will Travel" ability, we could summon a full party anywhere. This was also the first time I started using key bindings and macros. I remember my arms warrior had 36 key binds, and I thought it was the coolest thing ever!
This honestly was the best poddyC ever. I loved the multiple personalities
I've rewatched the delves portion of this video 3 times. It's too funny. Growl is so based
I think the problem lies with the weekly real life time gate. If you play the game a lot and do not mythic raid, after a certain time on your main, you can NOT get any more upgrades from M+ end of dungeon and are ONLY getting gear upgrades from the vault, which starts to drain motivation to play. Doing 8 keys just for a vault feels more like a checklist chore and not really compelling.
I usually quit playing after I get all heroic track pieces BiS and upgraded but never ever ever finish an entire season with full vault Myth track BiS. Ever. I am willing to do work for gear, but I want to do the work when I have time/want to do the work. I do not want to wait 15 weeks like, by that time the hype is gone, other game releases have came out, friends are doin other stuff. Why the hell are we waiting to the end of the season to push high keys because our gear is finally high enough, instead of the beginning of the patch when everyone actually wants to play the game????????
Also saying Multistrike was just like crit is crazy. Yea i mean functionally it's rng more damage, but the dopamine you get when you double cast spells is way higher, take it from an ele shaman player.
"Code lock" for tooltips makes sense because of translating everything.
Fronk W with that picture of Dratnos!
The eating during audio content goes hard
Fronk make sure to be recording Max's stream for RWF so you can mash all the notable bits into a video which can then be reacted to on the first Poddy episode after the race.
Also we are still waiting for the Max/Dratnos (+ others?) predictions, class talks, and to know if RWF is going to be on YT or not. Could also do comparison videos of Twitch chat vs YT chat during yap streams if there's a severe lack of content.
i already rewatched the growl rant on the livestream a few times, that shit is hilarious
I would like to see a bonus episode where Fronk would cut the vid in a way, that everyone would just praise him, how awesome job he is doing. It would be like a puppet master directing his puppets, making them say whatever he wants. :D
Great content guys and awesome editing Fronk!
Im not even subbed to wow currently
But ill listen to my main healer brother growl talk about wow any time
This stream was so great, I listened to this a second time lol
I love the rants about Delves. I had so much fun with this episode.
The thing Growl needs to realize is that those people truly exist. People scratch their brains differently.
2 hour poddyc holy, its about to be a very poddy friday night
They need to implement a way to upgrade an hero track item to a myth track item once you reach a certain rating in m+.
Didn't they have that in the last season of Shadowlands?
@@Ermji I think that was for the items you bought from dinars. But with the new system it would work really well I think.
For example it could cost like 2 or 3 of the crafting aspect items to upgrade between tracks.
But they definitely need to increase aspect drops for this. 1020 aspect crests to upgrade everything is ridiculous.
@@martinmcnugget2287 could easily be an item that costs 6 tokens of merit (the socket item)
I actually don’t think I’m excited for the 13th delve because it’s role agnostic. I have a feeling it’s just going to be tuned awful because every spec does the same thing, so it’s going to be awful for every spec.
i like these types of episodes from time to time
The audacity! After ten years of Titanforge Podcast, Dratnos dares to say: “This guy you might not know, Tettles”
So much shade, man.
But yes, we’re all here for Growl (Gronn?)
@@LuizGuilhermeTavares There's no shade, man. They are like best friends
Have never laughed as hard as I did during the growl blow up. Protect him we don't deserve him.
Would love to hear more from the man of the people, tettles and megasett. I was lucky enough to tune in to the last parts of the actual stream, and there were so many views it got the conversation flowing even better
One thing the Pod isnt thinking about but most players dont get or view vault myth track as the end. As a heroic raider. Myth is nice but heroic gear is where i stop caring
1:27:13 Meg laughing her ass off in the background is so good as Growl complete mental tilts his way through prepatch
You sure that was Meg? Sounded more like Tettles to me
@@billabong5366 I cant tell if its the quieter meg or the really trying hard to stifle the laugh tettles.....either way im about it
@@KillchainGames It's defiantly Tettles
Delves were made for myself based off of every description in this podcast so far "Solo" content? Amazing. Seems like expanded world questing? I love dailies like a weirdo (I have been doing Argent Tournament for months and almost finished with all MoP dailies).
In a thunderstorm, I would love to be next to Growl. He's always so fckn grounded
HATS OFF TO THE PODDY C !!! MAN THIS WAS A BANGGER LOVE ME SOME GROWL
Please bring Megasett’s DAD on for an actual episode
That wouldve been epic lmao
That Growl delve rage was freaking hilarious
for sure get more healers on to balance the tank bias with Megasett and yeah more Growl of course lol!
Maybe just me but eating while casting is not it
"Code Freeze" is the term. Never heard "code lock" in all my life
tettles talking shite once again fr
Same. I've heard "Feature Lock" but that was more in the neighborhood of scope creep than code freeze.
Mortdog (head dev for tft) has used code lock a couple times iirc. But he typically uses region lock
I live for Growl rants. I'm dying laughing.
48:16 healer priests sucking in beta is definitely not just a numbers issue but rather a having no interrupt + no useful utility this m+ season issue
Fronk you better be getting insane cheddar for this.
My personal opinion concerning the upgrade system is simply the requirement of lower tier crest farming. I would hope they add a system that allows you to get lower tier crests when completing higher key levels. This would make gearing alts much easier
Titanforging in the current system could be OK, a raid drops 1/8 champion for 1st boss on normal. It could be ok for that to 'titanforge' up to a 8/8 champion.
I think a warforge of 2/8 and titanforge of 4/8 would be more reasonable. If you scaled the 7 tier jump there would be people in RWF getting 6/6 myth track in the first week swinging stuff out of control.
GROWL ranting is the funiest shit ever, we need him here every single poddyc
Megasett officially made it
re: delves, they’re meant to be a solo equivalent to m+ and raids. they’re not going to tailor them to specific classes or specs because that’s not the point. kill 12 kobolds, pick up 10 candles but way more difficult is nothing like what we have now, and it’s super rewarding to overcome a challenge on your own.
and how can you say “just play elden ring” to wow players who enjoy wow and enjoy their characters?? like they play nothing like each other
I haven’t played delves so maybe it won’t be any good, but I’m still looking forward to it in the way it’s been described. if nothing else it’s a good stepping stone toward group content because you can actually feel the impact of your decisions and understand your mistakes. it’s hard to get better without external feedback, and group content doesn’t really give you that unless you’re in a group with people you know. I learned more about how to play well doing horrific visions than I ever have in any other content.
i do have to say the majority of what i have seen in the havoc disc is not blaming Realz, it's some blaming of whoever either did or didn't replace him and much more blaming Blizz's whole process and lack of response to any feedback. Realz did great things in dragonflight for the design of DH (a couple questionable things like chaotic disposition) while also working on another class, and was very open to feedback, so im glad he got a promotion and hope he is happy with whatever he is working on now. I just wish they had assigned someone with any sense of how the class works or what the players do/dont like as his replacement, instead of what seems to be someone who never looked at DH before they got the position.
The Goat is growling
Funny how dorki says how terrible the last boss in rise is because of tons of group dmg and having to be moving yet his favorite dungeon has the epitome of that in the 3rd boss(sanguine depths) 😏
Imo 3rd in SD was way less about dodging swirlies and more about the orb and shield mechanic on higher keys. The arena is also much smaller. Last boss on Rise is absolute ass to heal since your dps are running after the adds, and you have to sit in the soaks to not kill the group.
Worth the trip to arrive at point where Growl has a melt down leaving meg and tettles in tears laughing.
Growl for President 2028 LETSGO
I think one of the major things that the increased myth tracks brings, that was overlooked, is that it will naturally nerf the raid (and dungeons) week after week. One of the major criticisms of the last raid was guilds reaching the end bosses with roughly the same ilvl as Liquid, and hitting a wall. Allowing for all the gear to go 6 ilvls higher should fix that. No real downside to the 6/6 myth track for the majority of players as it is simply in addition to what we already had, and allows us to progress further than before. I would still love to see a faster acquisition rate or a catch up for alts though.
I believe another option to reduce the heating back between those who only
Play m+ vs those who mythic raid is to have it where when you complete keys that give you myth track gear in your vault have a chance to upgrade your drop to myth track.
As a high rated pvper I’m looking forward to delves so i can gear up pve gear and play with my wife. My wife and I loved torghast just because we could both do it together and it had progression. She is also good at pvp but prefer scalable content. My brother and dad are also coming back to the game to play them. My best friend also mainly does solo content along side pvp so delves for my circle of people are going to be really awesome.
I think the extended mythic track is to help people outgear encounters as the season goes on. This is a direct response to Max pointing out that liquid/echo were very close to the ilvl cap when they killed fyrakk.
Add an extra layer to the discount on upgrading gear on alts and add a 50% discount on crest spending next to the already existing Flightstone discount you get from having a higher ilvl item on a specific slot on your main. Easily implemented and solves all alt gearing shenanagans.
I’m soooo here for the delve rant, fax no printer 😂❤
Fully with you Max about needing a faster catch up method for alts. I will absolutely quit before doing all that regear again
Also the talking over Meg is pretty wild
to expand on what max said at 33:00 what makes it even worse is when you're staring down the barrel of "okay, i need 120 myth track crests to max out my character, nice! thats like 5 dungeons and im good to go on myth track crests, but i also need 400 hero track crests to be able to use those 120 myth track crests"
"okay, so now i have to either farm 25 meaningless lower tier dungeons to get those 400 hero track crests, OR i can farm 50 of the higher tier dungeon so that it caps my myth track crests before it even STARTS to drop the lower tier crests for me"
the simplest solution is that instead of having to cap your crest to get the lower tier crest from that dungeon level, 2 weeks in, dungeons that drop myth also drop half as many hero track crests -> 4 weeks in they also drop champ track (or vet, i dont really know what crests are directly below hero track) -> 6 weeks in dungeons that drop myth also drop vet/champ (whichever wasn't dropped at week 4) or something along those lines, so that as you're 2 months into the patch playing an alt, you dont have to do 40 6's to get all the crests you need to upgrade gear that you're getting dropped from a 10 or a 12 or a 14, or whatever key level you're doing above the key level you have to farm crests at
if you play an alt week 2, you only have to do ~20(timed) dungeons before the catchup mechanic starts
if you're playing an alt week 4, now you're staring down the barrel of 40 or more before the catchup mechanic even STARTS for you, which means most of the time by the time you GET TO THE CATCHUP you've either quit the alt because you're like "holy shit this sucks" or you've already bit the bullet and went to farm the crests the natty way and are mad that you had to do 40 6s just for crests to catchup to use the crests you got out of the 10s you farmed the hero track gear in in the first place
Not sure if anyone else feels this way, but I view WoW as a hobby. I like to play it when there's hype and the guild is poppin' and tons of people online and we're pushing in raid and m+ etc etc. And I love to play in the off-season when the tourists are gone and the locals hang out and do meta achievements or farm tmogs or crank shadowlands tables...whatever. There's something to do, no matter the season. I log in to wow everyday and what I do just depends on the season. Sometimes it's fast and sometimes it's slow, but it's the game I play either way.
24:00 such an elite take from most of you guys.
Like is top 1% not considered high keys? Literally every CE raider who wants to push themselves now can do that WAY better than before when you had "push weeks"
You can just send keys whenver you have time for it thats like 98% of the m+ players lol
I predict we will have INSANE increase in m+ keys at the +10 and above level
"Soo uhh ugh, soo here's the deal" - Dr. Atnos
Me - Let's fking gooo!
Pre-poddy Dratnos is always good, but the opening line being “here’s the deal” is very good
1:32:47 "Imagine if right smack dab at the beginning of the pandemic it was season 4 BFA" it actually was lol BFA s4 started on Jan 21st, 2020. That is essentially the start of the pandemic.
I realized this because COVID is exactly why I got into WoW again in the first place, and I started up during season 4 BFA in like early to mid February since quarantine/lockdowns were starting to roll out.
Cata Heroics were fire. Some of my most fun dungeon times. Like five man raids almost
huge W for having megasett on
Growl popping off about delves is funny af
This was the best intro yet Mr dratty nos
Something I think they missed talking about regarding gearing alts. The fact that I had to spam 5s to get wyrm crests, while getting champion gear sucked!
Atleast they changed that in TWW, now I can farm 7-8s to get hero track items and wyrms crests.
I still think they should buff crest drops for alts aswell
Why has the myth track change been taken as gospel at this point ? Haven't these things been commonly tooltip bugs before? No blue post or confirmation from blizzard, right?
If you actually check the adventure guide in Retail RN myth track caps at 4 instead of 6 so either it will extend in like... a month due to leaving dragonflight fully (This sort of feels unlikely), or it was just a bug.
@@fleshhunter8703 agree with this and am kind of surprised there's no word from blizzard and everyone assuming it's not a bug. (not saying it's defo a bug either ofc).
Ya megasett!!! Woo!
When I think of PoddyC I think of some old man sitting on the toilet reading a newspaper.
What if they added a form of titanforging that if you did a high m+ (idk lets just say like 12-15+) there was a chance the gear at the end could drop and/or titanforge within the myth track, that way it not only gives incentive to do higher keys but also makes them still worth doing when youre at the point of gearing where you're just hoping your vault gives you an upgrade.
"Imagine if right at smackdab the beginning of the pandemic it was Season 4 BFA" wasnt that like literally what happened? S4 BFA was Jan 21 2020 and the pandemic started March 11 2020
Growl is, indeed, my favorite.
As a heroic raider and casual M+ player, the gearing through raid and M+ as well as great vault was perfect in season 4. I always felt like I could upgrade something or get better gear by pushing a higher key. Or just get crests by doing a little lower but easier one. This new system is just going to make it take longer and basically not make me want to play M+ really at all. After raid is done, I’ll just take my alt to raids and skip M+. It’s a bigger grind for minimal gains. With warbands we are supposed to play alts and not be stuck on mains forever.
The Growl rant was absolutely incredible.
growl man of the people with the delve take
Idk Delves seems really amazing, my Dad plays every so often but retail there is a little too much happening but he told me delves are incredible simple and bearable he enjoys them...
Both me and him agreed it does require them to continue developing on it
As a pug player i'm always happy for gear equity between M+ and Mythic Raiding, the mid legion nerfs to M+ gearing caused me to quit until Dragonflight this month
Copeium for sure! What happened to the whole we are taking away from the end of this to make sure the beginning and moving forward is stellar... I have a feeling this will be reoccurring and yeah we are slowly and slowly getting less for our money and getting raked over those investor coals.
If there was a way to highlight who was talking, it would be hugely helpful
Double the cat, double the chaos.
Max, did you not think to eat before the stream? Toothbrush my guy....stop using your tongue
it was nice of you guys to invite meg on to listen to the podcast
So i guess you forgot the part where this wasn’t the podcast, just clips edited from stream
@@Gaius_Sinstone yah hes still asking for that regardless lol. And i agree, having a lower max:others ratio is always good.
I like max, but hes like when you shoot a machine gun in a video game, it heats up pretty fast and u have to let it cool down
@@quintit I don’t disagree but, he didn’t ask for anything, he just implied they brought her on the podcast & didn’t let her talk, which isn’t true. It was just a stream they happened to be chatting on
@@Gaius_Sinstone i think the only part that she appeared to get talked over was growls rant, which I thought was part of the joke tbh