New Fram Extra Guard PH16 Oil Filter vs. Old Fram Extra Guard PH16 Oil Filter Comparison
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New Fram PH16 oil filter versus this Old Fram PH16 oil filter year (1998)? Let's open them up and see what's inside!
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The lack of quality control (or consistency) on Fram Filters never ceases to amaze me, especially on their air filters that rarely have a tight or even a 'decent enough' fit in the air filter box
Thanks, maybe same here.. interestingly, I used to load up,on lots of FRAM ( air, gas(?) pvc,oil for couple vehicles, because 3D Discount store had great stock next to my Drugstore , that I worked at… etc. Oddly, FRAM was a go-to for My 1970:Coronet (383:4BBL TURQUIOSE), 77 TA SE 6.6 L, etc. Seem to remember good quality: though my perspective different nowadays.
Regarding AIR FILTERS :
For Trips: I run a K&N Air Filter -- becuase it's the ONLY air filter that WORKS WHEN IT'S WET -- Running at high speeds in the pouring rain, while driving through the forest in Maine, the OEM Paper Air Filter got water-logged and damned near shut me down. It took a LONG TIME to find the problem, and no way to FIX it - except to remove the air filter and run without it until we're out of the rain. K&N to the rescue !
Ah, but the K&N is a P.I.A. to maintain, and it really doesn't filter very well until it has been run for 25-35 thousand miles -- most people clean them MUCH TOO OFTEN, which robs their efficency.
Anyways, the hot set-up for EFFICIENT Air Filters for the '92 - '10 Panther cars is :
FRAM # TGA 5056 -- the new "Tough Guard" series air filters are a BIG improvement over their cheaper "Extra Guard" series.
With today's extended-length service intervals, it pays to invest in top-quality lubricants and filters.
www.mercuryforum.com/forum/grand-marquis-14/1995-grand-marquis-restoration-8937/
@@SlikLizrd You must be thrilled - two Fram filters in one review. You didn't even have to visit their page!
@@SlikLizrd thanks… interestingly, I ran three VEHICLES (* m@ny years/miles on K & N AIR FILTERS, Oil changes frequent & observations)*: never had any “noticeable (??)issues…. Anyways, moving to high *dust/ particle/dirt area ,observation , & deeper **reasearch : I switched back to ORIGINAL MANUFACTURE AIR FILTERS ( WIX BACK UP,ETC)….I believed & Seemed ( not really Engineering validated ), to have some MPG IMPROVEMENTS/ PERFORMANCE , (?) especially in a 1997 DODGE INTREPID ,Six CYL HP…..
@@opera93 Yes, Opera, the K&N is a fine quality Air Filter -- Used 'em in several different vehicles, since the desert-racing days of the '70s.
Never had a serious "issue", but, at my age, it's too much hassle to maintain a K & N
Air Filter properly.
My new practice is to change Oil & Air Filters YEARLY , with no regard for miles traveled. Thanksgiving Week-end is perfect for me.
I'm not surprised that you "noticed a difference" between the OEM filter and the K & N in your Intrepid -- viewers of other forums have made similar comments.
Measuring the differences between one Air Filter and another is an excercise in hair-splitting -- the U-Tuber's "tests" of air filters borders on the ridiculous -- but they're pretty funny !!
When the poop hits the propellor, you'll always be safe with an OEM air filter.
Happy New Year !!
The atomic-orange can of death. I used to use these all the time in the 80's and a lot of the 90's until news of the cardboard used inside got to me. Never had a problem with them but now that I know there are much better out there I tend to avoid them.
I have a few odd unused oil filters around here for cars I no longer own. I'd love to send them to you (at my cost of course) but I don't know how to go about doing that. Anything for science! 😁
I'd be interested in an '80s filter. Send me an email: Poker4me007@gmail.com
Surprised to see such a unique bypass valve on the older fram ! The only thing going for the newer fram is the silicon ADV ! Great video ! Have a happy new year pete !! 🥃
Thanks, Scotty!
Happy New Year!
I remember my Auto mechanics teacher saying the Fram filters were really good, and this was in 1992-3. Hastings used to be the worst filters since they just had wrapped cotton/poly filtering media, not pleated , the very first plastic and spring endcap bypass came into production and the Nylon plastic used to break down for a few years until the new plastic PA6 material was used. in 1999, Fram decided it was a better idea to change their superior design to what everyone else was doing for cost savings in production for more profits, that is when Fram went into decline but for a different reason, that is when people first learned of the foam end caps when most Frams had Metal end caps. The one you opened must have been a transition filter around 1998-1999. I wish Fram would go back to 90's style bypass but with silicone and the new filtering media. I bet they would be among the best again. Great Video, I had forgotten why Fram was so good back then.
How cool. My shop teacher in 90-91 said the same. Get the orange one it’s the best. I used it for years til I saw u tube.
Thank You!👍
@@reeksreeks3017 back then the filtering media was thicker and most likely better. Even a shop owner now says Fram has a defective insurance policy if any Fram caused engine damage there is some coverage for the shop. He says that's why we use it. No other filter has that coverage.
definitively the old one was better made, had better media better bypass even the cardboard end looks better made, they could definitely sell one of those
Extra Guard - 1991 FRAM releases its Extra Guard® product, which features glass media filter technology.
Very interesting to see old vs new. Great Video. Thanks, Whip! Happy New Year
Thank You and Happy New Year!
@@faxmen09 I was not implying anything. I was stating a *Fact*, Jack.
How nice of Kellie to send you these two filters! YaY to Kellie! Another great comparison! Have a Wonderful New Year's Eve! Can't believe another year has already gone by so fast! Happy & Healthy New Year to All! Hope it's a Great New Year! 🎆🎊🎉
I didn't put that in my comment but seconded, nice of Kellie to send two filters for old vs new comparison. 👍
Hi Ella,
Yes, it was nice of Kellie!👍
Happy New year Ella!
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@@WhipCityWrencher Thank You! ✨🎊🥰🎉✨
I used Fram back in the 70's because there was not much else out there to buy. I changed my oil more often back then. Now I use a higher quality filter.
Interesting to see what they have changed over the years. With that being said, it also shows the change in what our oils and our engines. How much different they've changed cleaner running for the most part.
Oil has definitely gotten better.
The old one looks to be better made....
Nice job Pete. I like that upper bypass valve. Best part of that filter to be honest. And have a happy new year!
Hi Jim,
Happy New Year!
Interesting set of videos.
That bypass valve was really interesting! But I don't understand why they put so much into making it when they were just going to use crappy end caps.
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Turns out that those "crappy end caps" are really not so "crappy" after all -- as can be seen in newer oil filter samples that show a return to the fiber end caps on some of the newer models sampled.
Unfortunately, we tend to get hung up on features that we really like -- and if anything changes, we wanna flip out and holler "They made it cheaper!" -- which may or may not be true.
Which filter would YOU buy ??
A 25-Micron rated filter with those "cardboard" end caps -- or a 35-Micron rated filter with "metal" end caps ??
I'm all about Micron Ratings -- not bothered with types of End Caps.
HAPPY NEW YEAR !!
@@SlikLizrd Which oil filters, other than those made by the filter experts Fram, use endcaps that are not metal?
Jay the Florida pool pump motor repair guy. When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info 2 see👨🔧good job WCW
Thanks, Jay!
I would not put fram filter on my vehicles if given to me ! !
Several years ago Consumer Reports did a test of oil filters and Fram tested well against other filters. Based on this, I used them for many 100s of thousand miles in multiple vehicles. Looks like they have really changed.
Best information says "several years" would be around 2005 or before. Much has changed including increased use of synthetic blend media and full synthetic media. Fram did make an excellent filter with the XG Ultra full synthetic media, but unfortunately current owner First Brands has cheapened the media, product.
I still believe that timely oil changes with the proper spec oil is more important than the filter choice.
@@tomtheplummer7322 If ya pump heavenly oil thru a shitty filter, you've wasted your oil money and risked damage to your engine.
I think you'll find that both Oil AND Filter are of equal importance.
@@SlikLizrd Make sure to get an oil filter with the Fram-approved stamped leaf retainer spring.
Back in the 80's and 90's I swore by Fram. In my personal vehicle at 1500 miles you could still read the writing on the dipstick through the oil film but if you used an AC Delco filter the oil was opaque by 1000 mi!es. On the heavy equipment that I worked on it didn't matter the oil was black on start up from it being a diesel. By the early 2000's we had to dispose of filters properly and we crushed them to get the oil out for disposal. This led to my first cutting open of the filter and the fram was so poorly made compared to the other filters in my opinion that I swore off of Fram. Wix or the Napa equivalent which are the same filter are now my filter of choice.
Thanks For Sharing!
I used to deliver to the Frame factory in Pawtucket RI, right where that filter was made, and they were #1 in the aftermarket filters in the world, as well as making filters for OEM and under discount brand names produced with cheaper specs. This was in the early eighties and the plant has long since been closed as production moved elsewhere ( overseas?). It's easy to see why they were the best. Sadly for my cars, I' be been using them until a few years ago, and now I seek out filters at the dealer, or use another brand.
I drive by that building on my way to work at Pawtucket memorial hospital. They finally just leveled it a couple years ago. Sad. A lot of coworkers used to tell me about working there or at hasboro toys building the toys.
Yes Andrew, just went by last week. I remember the ladies in the cafeteria would give me a free breakfast. I was proud to be a tiny part of a great company. So sad for them now.
@@ajmedeiros77 Another sad story , Memorial Hospital
My wife was a patient there for years
The best hospital south of Boston.
Hi Steven,
Interesting, Thanks For Sharing!
Fram is still made in the USA!
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I think the '98 Fram filter might be better. Mainly the actual filter media itself looked more dense under the microscope 🔬 and that coincided with it's thickness.
I only use FRAM ULTRA though, but still an interesting video 👍
Happy New Year !
Thank drum!
Happy New Year!
Great job Pete
Thanks Dwayne!
I was hoping you'd be able to do this comparison on an older Fram. I saw a video doing this same comparison 10-12 years ago. Most of the difference was the new one had sloppier pleating/gluing. You're right about the date. The first letter is the plant or line code followed by the year, Julian calendar date then shift.
I personally wouldn't use one, but those basic Fram filters aren't as bad as internet 'lore' makes them out to be. I did use a bunch in the '80's before I got better filters just because Fram saturated the market. Everywhere you went all they stocked was Fram. The ironic thing is it's not the end caps on the extra guard but the media and other aspects that are bigger drawbacks. Those fiber end caps only purpose is to seal the pleated media. They don't provide any structure. The reason Fram gives is that when bonding the cellulose media to a similarly porous material you get a stronger bond vs a smooth surface. Different media such as 'glass or synthetic have different properties. Like I said, I wouldn't use one because I prefer to use more 'premium' parts, but it's not going to 'kill' your engine. I'd be more concerned about what's going on with Wix.
Thank Vince!
Thanks for commenting. What’s with WIX, MY GO TO BRAND( after Boss , RP)???
@@opera93 Same as practically all other businesses these days. Can't keep trained workers therefore quality problems. Some are because of Mann, some the economy. The quality has slid off a cliff recently, off shore manufacturing, QC issue. recently a lot of filters didn't have the center tubes properly perforated. Last I checked Boss was OK and Fram premium filters are OK. Some of the Wix efficiency numbers have changed too. I haven't used a Wix in 3 years. Used to be OK years ago.
@@vincemajestyk9497 thanks…… oddly, just put WIX AIR, IN My 2007 Canyon…….(I normal to use OEM , IN AIR FILTERS , last several years, but WIX , & in ADVANCE )…. Interestingly, I just changed to POINT S SHOPS/ MONTANA *& they went to VALVOLINE PRODUCTS, maybe their “Filters (?), were/ was “Purolator Made; and , I not much problems with other VALVOLINE sfuff.).. I am 75 years young, cutting way back in **wrenching on my two =ehicles, & to Apartments’s……
That is what I miss about oil filters is they had the vehicle and interchange printed on the boxes. Now you either just have to know, or hope the book or the computer that never works will tell you the number, and usually will not have all brands listed that are on the shelf. Looking at you Wal-Fart! I think the old filter is better. I would guess filtration media in the 90's was probably 90-95% at 30-40 microns. Things like complicated VVT that exist now days didn't exist so the filtration didn't need to be so high.
I noticed a couple days ago Wal-Fart did away with their electronic cross reference units on the shelf. Now you must have internet access to scan a QR code and get info online
@@182QKFTW Thanks for giving me ANOTHER reason to NOT SHOP at WalMart.
I still run the orange can of death on my cars because they are cheap, and I change my oil every 3000 miles for stop and go driving and 5000 miles for highway driving. It does not matter what oil filter you use as long as you change your oil ON TIME. NO filter will prevent engine damage if you go way beyond the recommend oil change interval. Oil is cheap, engine replacement is not.
That old FRAM is weird with that bypass
12:23 That looks like cosmoline. Used as a rust preventative on alot of stuff coming from overseas. It is oily when applied but dries similar to that.
Could be GT, I felt some oil on my hands earlier so that's what I thought it was, and didn't rub it till the camera was rolling.LOL
Everything costs more and is cheaper made compared to older products. The price increase isn't enough, so they cut quality on top of it to make even more profit.
Thanks, Pete and Kellie
Nice look at a retro filter. I just can't get past the "felt/cardboard end caps". I could never trust them. Happy New Year and everyone be safe.
Hi Jonathan, Happy New Year!🎆
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The second number of the date code is the year. You must nail down the decade yourself, which is easy by the copyright year and style of the packaging. The new filter was 2022 and the old filter was 1998
Because of branding AlliedSignal on the container, most likely before 2000 when AlliedSignal bought Honeywell and adapted Honeywell as the corporate name. Sadly, Fram and several well-known auto parts companies have bought and sold by different corporate entities. IMHO, if seems each time they get bought and sold, there's an effort to cheapen the product.
I miss the old cans without the suregrip, made them look less cheap
The 90s is probably the last time I used any Fram filter that wasn't the Ultra so It looks like I haven't missed anything. Used to like Wix but it looks like most of their production has moved to China. What's a feller to do? Looks like Luber Finer to me. Still made in the USA and cheap too.
Since filter says AlliedSignal (not Honeywell) on old Fram, date code likely indicates made Jan.1998. Box printed 1994. The thread end bypass 'similar' design to 'current majority' Motorcraft filters for FoMoCo vehicles. Also, no doubt more costly to produce then the dome bypass of the new. I don't buy that base end vs dome makes a "significant" difference. Both work. The old filter element does appear to be better made, but unlike new, it has no efficiency rating. 😥The design of old bypass is cool, the adbv attached. New has silicone so it wins that part. I don't care for 'sure grip' on new, makes using fitted cap wrench an issue. Interesting to see differences old vs new, but not a big fan this Fram fiber end cap construction. Thanks for vid. Happy New Year Whip.
You're Welcome, faxmen09!
Happy New Year!🎆
@@WhipCityWrencher I hope you and your family have a great New Year. 👍
@@faxmen09 Thank You!
Let’s open her up. That’s what she said
Can you do a 3 way for Fram. Extra guard vs tough guard vs ultra
It will be a while, I put it on my to do list.
The allied signal Fram filters were good filters in their day. After Fram changed hands things slid.
After they changed hands from Rank Group to current First Brands that's true. Not from Honeywell (same company as AS) to Rank. The latter made some improvements in the filters.
Older fram filter pleats ang glue area to carboard is more proffesionally made. Nothing like the older Frams. Too bad today many brand filters being damage with the sloppy job glue they use.
@6:38 & that's why FRAM is known as the Orange can of death ! "Avoid the orange can, avoid the FRAM "™️ ,especially the newer ones,the older one looks way better than the new
While I sort of agree with you, that end of the filter is the adbv end. If the compression spring doing its job, the silicone adbv likely seals the area shown in use. But, it would be better for the endcap to extend over tube. Just playing devil's advocate here, no particular fan of Fram filters with fiber caps.
Still the basic fram is basic. All the more reason to run away
It is interesting that at one point, Fram made filters with a base end bypass. I agree that it would be preferable for an oil filter going into bypass to not wash the debris previously filtered back into the engine.
If I was designing an oil filter from the ground up and was not being beholden to the bean counters, it would have at least a synthetic blend media, a base end bypass, a silicone anti-drain back valve and (gasp!) a coil spring. From what I have seen, I think Wix made the last oil filters meeting those criteria but has moved to a dome end bypass and a stamped leaf retainer spring - probably to meet a financial, not engineering, target.
Would you consider the bypass valve the same as an anti drain-back valve?
In this case the old Fram does both.
On the old Fram the outer area of the nitrile adbv serves that function (adbv). The inner/central part of nitrile adbv, serves as part of the bypass valve. It's a very unique design and one you won't see on any current thread/base end bypass today. Wix and Motorcraft with base bypass both use separate adbv and bypass pieces.
Definitely 1993 or newer till 1999 ,as the AlliedSignal is one word ,pre 1992 -1985 Allied-Signal had the hyphen- between Allied & Signal, that's how you tell the difference between Allied-Signal made filters from 1985-92 ,it's Allied Signal from 1993 -1999 before Allied Signal became Honeywell ownership & dropped the name entirely........hopefully oneday you get to cut open the 80's FRAM filter
Hi Mark,
Thanks for the info, I hope I open one of those 80s Fram someday also.😊
What's up with the crossed-out info, Man ?? They zapped me a few days ago -- but with no explanation, we can't be expected to correct our "errors".
HAPPY NEW YEAR !!
@@SlikLizrd Must be the all-powerful Fram making corrections.
@@SlikLizrd probably screwtube getting screwy with censorship
Junk they should be ashamed I know people putting these on NG LP stand by generators worst filter possible for that application