and thats why you dont raise river in a spot where your only getting better to call, if you wanna be greedy and go for thin value thinking he can call with weaker hands, you have to be prepared to let go of the hand if he comes over the top
You sir are a wise man. That river raise by Eric was a jackass raise. In the majority of situations similar to this one, when your opponent checks then calls then he decides NOT to check the river and bets into you, that leaves you with only 2 options. You must call or fold !!! You never raise the river!!!!!!!!
When Eric raises the river what is he hoping to get called by? Charles called the flop so he has something. I would just call because Charles can have all the two pairs and sets and when he shoves on you he is never bluffing.
@@jacobgoldman5780 Snap-fold. NO way he's bluffing; if he's shoving loosey like "screw it", he's still beating top pair lmao. *"Best hand you'd fold?"* -Bruh I'd fold bttm set here some of the time. Have fun being married to your A2 tho Jon.😆 --You gotta look at it as if you were bluffing, cuz that's essentially how it went down. Muck and move on..
Eric can get called by AQ of spades, AJ of spades, AT of spades, A8 of spades, A7 of spades, A5 of spades, A4 of spades, A of spades X, KK, QQ, JJ TT, K9 suited, Q9 suited, J9 suited…. Should I go on?
30s to figure out how much is in the pot. 3s to actually make a decision. Coming from mostly online play, keeping up with pot size and stack sizes is 90% of my tanking, then when I figure all that out, what to do is usually fairly quick.
I try to keep with within the 10-30 second range, but typically I take a little more time when considering big bluffs and big value bets. Unless there's the rare situation where I have a hand that beats a super nutted hand that I know will call for all the chips. Then my decisions get way fast lol but most of my home game regs recognize that a longer than 30 second tank from as being inherently polarized anyway.
Yea think Charles is trying to get called by the weaker part of Eric’s range. I will say the snap check on the turn that Eric did is usually a strong hand trying to induce. See that move all the time from recreational players in mid stakes games.
Persson re-raised $55k when Charles only had $69k behind. Why waste anybody's time here, I would have shoved all in right away just as Charles did. Taking your time in this spot for 30 seconds or more to me makes the strength of Charles' hand even more obvious.
Opponent checks and then calls your bet. Check, check on the turn. On the river opponent bets into you. Doesn’t matter the amount he bets on river because now when he bets the river after checking the flop and turn, you can throw your poker math book out the window!!! You now only have two choices on the river. You call or fold. You never raise in that situation!!
Yeah Eric made a bad raise on the river, but I don't think that's an easy fold at all. He's paying 34k to potentially win 216k, which gave him roughly a 1:6 pot odd. Yeah I know Jonathan said in spots like this pot odd doesn't matter, but I still think it kinda does. Anyway, Eric should just have called the river.
He didnt say pot odds dont matter. Perhaps you dont really understand what pot odds means. To call with 6 to 1 pot odds after the call means you have to win 1 out of 6, or 16.6%, times to break even. Jonathan said he didnt think Erik would win 1% of the time the way the hand played out, let alone the 16.6% he needed due to pot odds.
I agree with you guys and Johnathon. Agree, agree, agree. However, sometimes you must throw the poker math book out the window!! Know this, when I want my opponents to call my bet, I make damn sure I give them the proper pot odds to call. They do the math, they call, I win!! 😊
@@curthennig9448 34k to lose 181k actually! Poker is way more than math. You have to know when you’re beat. That was a huge jackass raise on the river. In that scenario ( opponent check calls, then on river he bets into you), you only have 2 options = fold or call!!!
Tbh I agree w everything Jonathan said except for Charles 3bet river shove I think taking time makes it look like you’re thinking through it while also possibly making Eric think more about the hand but honestly when Eric has that much money invested and top top he’s just always calling that’s his style
Sometimes you must throw the math out the window!! Opponent checks, you bet your A-K, opponent calls. Turn is check, check. On the river the opponent bets money( any damn amount doesn’t matter) , now you only have two options. You call or you fold. You NEVER raise your opponent on river in situations such as this one. That was most certainly a jackass raise.
Yup im just a bad novice in poker but even i have noticed how the OOP river snap shoves are absolutely never a bluff. Idk, maybe thats exactly what leveled Erik to make the call, he himself is a player i could expect to make that play as a bluff.
The reasoning seems a little self-defeating, though. What you're saying is: No one would bluff here because I'm guaranteed to call. Therefore, I should fold. Well, doesn't that give someone incentive to bluff here?
@@stevezagieboylo9172 yes, bluff is a possibility. When someone checks then calls your bets, then he bets into you on the river, you now only have 2 options. You call his river bet, or you fold to his river bet. Call or fold!!!!! NEVER raise his river bet!!!!!
Well yes but also no. Firstly you shouldn't fold everything other than nuts - there will be value hands you call with (like A6 that he mentioned) - you call some to not be exploited in the spot and maybe you win vs some stuff too. And most of his raises for value will be better than the thin AK given he checked the turn. So opponent is still v likely to call your jam even if there are hands he should fold. Secondly, if you play like a maniac and are jamming in spots that nobody bluffs in - well you're going to get found out v quickly and it'll be costly too.
I try to take the same amount of time for all my decisions on most streaks, maybe 10/15 seconds. Unless I am facing a river bet and I am never raising.
This is IMO, but I can't stand HC, we went there to play and it was more like a bar, where people just happen to play poker, than a real card casino. We literally went from the Lodge in Austin, hopped a plane, and were at Hustler within a few hours, and it was like night and day. One was fun with serious games and cool people, and the latter was full of drunks blowing off steam (and pots) yelling and acting a fool. Sure, if you just want to fleece rich drunk guys, while dodging professional ladies (at least that's what they looked like), it's your spot, but not if you want good poker.
Usually think about 10 seconds or so. Id like to think I've payed out the scenario in my head if they do raise what ill do. So i reevaluate agreeing with what i thought i do before i do it. Wrong most of the time. 😂
definitely a string bet, that last stack shouldn't be included, he didn't vocalise all in. but you know how it goes in these bigger games, floor hates to get involved
@jackspinner4727 Washington State. Maverick gaming. I've played in one and have heard from players and employees: he has no clue what he's doing. I work for his competition and it's not even close.
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and thats why you dont raise river in a spot where your only getting better to call, if you wanna be greedy and go for thin value thinking he can call with weaker hands, you have to be prepared to let go of the hand if he comes over the top
You sir are a wise man. That river raise by Eric was a jackass raise. In the majority of situations similar to this one, when your opponent checks then calls then he decides NOT to check the river and bets into you, that leaves you with only 2 options. You must call or fold !!! You never raise the river!!!!!!!!
Excellent point.
Why can’t we ever see Perrson vs Tony G?
When Eric raises the river what is he hoping to get called by? Charles called the flop so he has something. I would just call because Charles can have all the two pairs and sets and when he shoves on you he is never bluffing.
He's hoping to get called by AQ, AJ other Ax if that bets. Yes he should fold to the allin though
@@jacobgoldman5780 Snap-fold. NO way he's bluffing; if he's shoving loosey like "screw it", he's still beating top pair lmao. *"Best hand you'd fold?"* -Bruh I'd fold bttm set here some of the time. Have fun being married to your A2 tho Jon.😆 --You gotta look at it as if you were bluffing, cuz that's essentially how it went down. Muck and move on..
You are confusing Eric with a thinking player…
Eric can get called by AQ of spades, AJ of spades, AT of spades, A8 of spades, A7 of spades, A5 of spades, A4 of spades, A of spades X, KK, QQ, JJ TT, K9 suited, Q9 suited, J9 suited…. Should I go on?
@Texasfishingfamily Good points, but never is an unwise statement.
30s to figure out how much is in the pot. 3s to actually make a decision. Coming from mostly online play, keeping up with pot size and stack sizes is 90% of my tanking, then when I figure all that out, what to do is usually fairly quick.
in a 'unique' river situation i'd usually take ~15s. I'm not very good so this is the time it takes to "review" everything and pick my final answer
I try to keep with within the 10-30 second range, but typically I take a little more time when considering big bluffs and big value bets. Unless there's the rare situation where I have a hand that beats a super nutted hand that I know will call for all the chips. Then my decisions get way fast lol but most of my home game regs recognize that a longer than 30 second tank from as being inherently polarized anyway.
I don't play with guys with exposed arm pits. Just a thing I have.
You and negranue both.
Miss these big friday games back when hustler was fun to watch
Eric Persson, the Homer Simpson of poker.
But the way he owned PH was so good
@@DH-rs6cqI watched that so many times😂
@@humanze it's so funny
Yea think Charles is trying to get called by the weaker part of Eric’s range. I will say the snap check on the turn that Eric did is usually a strong hand trying to induce. See that move all the time from recreational players in mid stakes games.
Persson re-raised $55k when Charles only had $69k behind. Why waste anybody's time here, I would have shoved all in right away just as Charles did. Taking your time in this spot for 30 seconds or more to me makes the strength of Charles' hand even more obvious.
Opponent checks and then calls your bet. Check, check on the turn. On the river opponent bets into you. Doesn’t matter the amount he bets on river because now when he bets the river after checking the flop and turn, you can throw your poker math book out the window!!! You now only have two choices on the river. You call or fold. You never raise in that situation!!
Yeah Eric made a bad raise on the river, but I don't think that's an easy fold at all. He's paying 34k to potentially win 216k, which gave him roughly a 1:6 pot odd. Yeah I know Jonathan said in spots like this pot odd doesn't matter, but I still think it kinda does.
Anyway, Eric should just have called the river.
He didnt say pot odds dont matter. Perhaps you dont really understand what pot odds means.
To call with 6 to 1 pot odds after the call means you have to win 1 out of 6, or 16.6%, times to break even. Jonathan said he didnt think Erik would win 1% of the time the way the hand played out, let alone the 16.6% he needed due to pot odds.
I agree with you guys and Johnathon. Agree, agree, agree. However, sometimes you must throw the poker math book out the window!! Know this, when I want my opponents to call my bet, I make damn sure I give them the proper pot odds to call. They do the math, they call, I win!! 😊
34k to win 181k actually.
@@curthennig9448 34k to lose 181k actually! Poker is way more than math. You have to know when you’re beat. That was a huge jackass raise on the river. In that scenario ( opponent check calls, then on river he bets into you), you only have 2 options = fold or call!!!
@@albertforletta1498 I agree. I was just correcting the person that said 34k to win 216k.
Tbh I agree w everything Jonathan said except for Charles 3bet river shove I think taking time makes it look like you’re thinking through it while also possibly making Eric think more about the hand but honestly when Eric has that much money invested and top top he’s just always calling that’s his style
Dudes getting 5 to 1. If you fold this hand youll get destroyed by getting shoved on and folding all the time
Sometimes you must throw the math out the window!! Opponent checks, you bet your A-K, opponent calls. Turn is check, check. On the river the opponent bets money( any damn amount doesn’t matter) , now you only have two options. You call or you fold. You NEVER raise your opponent on river in situations such as this one. That was most certainly a jackass raise.
Yup im just a bad novice in poker but even i have noticed how the OOP river snap shoves are absolutely never a bluff. Idk, maybe thats exactly what leveled Erik to make the call, he himself is a player i could expect to make that play as a bluff.
The reasoning seems a little self-defeating, though. What you're saying is: No one would bluff here because I'm guaranteed to call. Therefore, I should fold. Well, doesn't that give someone incentive to bluff here?
@@stevezagieboylo9172 yes, bluff is a possibility. When someone checks then calls your bets, then he bets into you on the river, you now only have 2 options. You call his river bet, or you fold to his river bet. Call or fold!!!!! NEVER raise his river bet!!!!!
Well yes but also no. Firstly you shouldn't fold everything other than nuts - there will be value hands you call with (like A6 that he mentioned) - you call some to not be exploited in the spot and maybe you win vs some stuff too. And most of his raises for value will be better than the thin AK given he checked the turn.
So opponent is still v likely to call your jam even if there are hands he should fold. Secondly, if you play like a maniac and are jamming in spots that nobody bluffs in - well you're going to get found out v quickly and it'll be costly too.
Did Charles string bed all in on the river? I sure didn't see his mouth move.
Sorry, "string bet"".
Eric is one of the worst players with money that ive ever seen. He has no clue and obviously just has money.
Is he still playing?
I try to take the same amount of time for all my decisions on most streaks, maybe 10/15 seconds. Unless I am facing a river bet and I am never raising.
Honey! he called my 3bet with 9s!
they 3bet almost every hand in this game
Eric likes to bully people which is how he gets his thrills. Set slow plays, top pair slow plays, set bets huge, top pair raises.
This is IMO, but I can't stand HC, we went there to play and it was more like a bar, where people just happen to play poker, than a real card casino. We literally went from the Lodge in Austin, hopped a plane, and were at Hustler within a few hours, and it was like night and day. One was fun with serious games and cool people, and the latter was full of drunks blowing off steam (and pots) yelling and acting a fool. Sure, if you just want to fleece rich drunk guys, while dodging professional ladies (at least that's what they looked like), it's your spot, but not if you want good poker.
Usually think about 10 seconds or so. Id like to think I've payed out the scenario in my head if they do raise what ill do. So i reevaluate agreeing with what i thought i do before i do it. Wrong most of the time. 😂
Bart Hansen commentating is wonderful
I'll wait at least 30 seconds. Just to consider other possible hands...ect
1 second..that is why my win rate is not as high as it should be
I mean he didn't bet the Ace because he's slow-playing, thinking he's dominating... But yeah, gotta bet with that pot already.
Personally.
I don't even think
Erik was paying attention .
His play,I took his mind for a second
And cost him about 90K
Probably more than 10 seconds. But not 30... 😅
Potentially looked like a string bet by Charles there.
definitely a string bet, that last stack shouldn't be included, he didn't vocalise all in. but you know how it goes in these bigger games, floor hates to get involved
It’s possible that he did announce the all in. Maybe we just couldn’t hear it. 🤷🏻
Dont mean to be a dick but that is a really easy fold. Eric butchered that hand on every street.
10 seconds every hand. Be consistent!
i think maximun time.
Won $116 k off that eric dude. Why just throw money away ?
The poker brat is my most famous.
Very fast 3 sec
I just don't like Eric at all.
I knew Persson would disappear eventually.
thing is.. eric is terrible at poker..
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I will never watch another one of this guys videos again… He just turned a 1 minute hand into a ten minute video by rambling nonsense… 🤮
errr no it was a pretty good video, with good advice in a realistic spot.
@@slowfuse keep watching then
@@Phuture33 Cool bro. The tables need shallow thinking players like yourself. We appreciate the donations.
If you actually listen to him everything’s he says makes sense
He plays poker like he runs his crappy casinos, like a moron. Sorry pal, Fortune is #1 and always will be.
Where are his casinos and how many?
@jackspinner4727 Washington State. Maverick gaming. I've played in one and have heard from players and employees: he has no clue what he's doing. I work for his competition and it's not even close.
The most annoying, irritating, screeching voice of all commentators in poker. Jonathan Little!😮
He knows poker dude.
Eat that humble pie, haha