Persona 5 Royal - BAD Ending
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Persona 5 Royal - BAD Ending 
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Do you want to live a beautiful lie or the ugly truth.
That's the point of this story arc.
Quest for greatness ugly truth? Imao, true ending got white day with waifu, what could be better? XD
Quest for greatness How do you know that the world in this ending is a lie? That's what really fucks me up about this lol. Who's to say that one reality is any more "real" than the other?
I mean take vaccines for example--are vaccines beautiful lies because they're man-made things to make our lives easier and protect us from disease? If so, should we get rid of them and live in the ugly truth of polio and smallpox? If not... is it really fundamentally different to what he did, eliminate hardships through man-made means?
Quest for greatness damn drv3 and p5r
Quest for greatness damn drv3 and p5r
Beautiful lie.
Notice how the credits are tilted like something’s off
Exactly this is actually the Fake reality ending not a bad ending its a neutral/good ending with the fighting Maruki option leading to the true ending
Not only that, but the names of the developers even shimmer and glow
Mr Supreme I almost wish they were all changed to Takuto Maruki, also in the End card everyone else is looking at each other but Joker and Akechi are looking right into the camera, right at you. They know you chose this for them
They Aslo have that glow
The change of instruments in Reality and Ideal for the credits make you think it's a new Freedom and Security. That's kind of the point. Someone else is controlling your future. Is it even your happiness?
the "everyone lives in a terrible sitcom forever" ending
Joker:Honey im Home
...........
Wanda!
more like romcom
Joker: *makes some random weird observation on physics and star wars reference* bazinga
Yea that’s just marukis really In a nutshell
It's tough to visualize why this is a bad ending until the get the true ending. In the true ending, they all part ways because they decide to improve themselves. Ann never studies away in this reality, Haru never decides to start her own dream coffee shop, Makoto doesn't move out to go to college. Everyone is happy in Maruki's reality but it's a comfortable happiness, and they're kept from striving for greater things and just live in the world as is.
Ok now I see why this is the bad ending. They all just stay the same, nobody improves their life in anyway. Their just content with the world around them and don’t strive for anything. Ya that can be a good/bad thing but as seeing them in the game with their problems and struggles it really does make sense that they all part ways. To become better people’s. Wow. That really is a concept if you put it into perspective, and I couldn’t have done it without this comment to clarify why this is bad. Thank you.
Not to mention what Maruki is doing is... basically just the same thing Yaldabaoth was doing, except softer and with less malicious intent. @@thedudeiscool5132
if you think about it, it's a bit similar to the original p5 true ending
in that ending, they just decide to move on, which isn't bad by the way, but also to forget about everything they wanted instead of fighting for it
after seeing royal's true ending makes me think how simple and conformist original p5's true ending was
@@F1areon yalda's whole thing was that "humans are stupid, therefore i rule!!!!" so to prove a point he ruled the world for a day but is disproved
maruki touches more on giving people what they want, yalda's thing was less about giving people what they want and more about ruling over people over a bad guy that people don't seem to mind about(kinda a political vibe, i like it)
maruki's thing was just no malicious intent and more of a "i am your savior, i give you everything" kinda thing
Yeah, but at its core it's still humanity giving up any and all autonomy over their lives to a single god-like entity who will call all the shots whether the people like it or not (and if the god-like entity turns out tyrannical, a la Yaldabaoth? The people are FUCKED). THAT'S why it's bad. @@javacrow_
“Say cheese!”
Protagonist: 😐
classic persona protag lol
I mean can you really blame him? He's having to constantly be living in this world knowing completely that there is something wrong and it's not the true reality he knew
SoloJustus same with Akechi lol
Devenante if wasn’t mistaken both of them don’t remember about the offer and that memory got replaced by the new fake reality memories
feeling something's off but can't remember how it is?
Damn that's a harsh world to live in
SOJIRO ASKING YOU TO STAY
NOOO
IT HURTS
Best dad
I actually teared up at the thought of sojiro adopting Akira
Which if you consider Maruki's worldview, that's actually the reality the protagonist wants
@@beeaggro2593 or the one Sojiro wants, since Ren was the son he never had
Wish it was in the true ending 🥺 Let me call Sojiro Dad damn it!
It actually terrifies me seeing sumire’s name as Kasumi in this ending.
same :(
Especially when you know he can just bring back her sister like he did Wakaba
@@shadowantix8018 lol true
@@shadowantix8018 holy fuck i never thought of that
@@shadowantix8018 that wasn’t her wish though
I love how this reality doesn’t portray Maruki as a ruler or god. Just an ordinary guy taking someone’s picture. Shows he really had no desire for power like the other villains. He was just doing what he thought was right.
That's funny. I got the impression that he was a god
One may also say that's the most dangerous kind of villain - the one who portrays themself as a hero
That fits more Akechi for most of P5 than Maruki. The difference between them is Maruki, while perhaps not seeing himself as a hero, IS a genuine believer in that he's doing the right thing.
And he just so happens to share the refusal to give up on his goals that the protagonist in the true ending does.@@hoangnguyen6569
The true ending is better because human Morgana disturbs me.
XD
Agreed
Draaxus they took any chance to call him hot and it was disturbing
It's something about his eyes...the look weird.
100%
That picture of Joker and Akechi playing chess is so bitter sweet
That’s when the music breaks and it broke me too :(
they look so happy :(
So nice but damm, it give me depression
And they are looking at the player in that pic
@@jojogacha974 yeah, like if they said "we know the truth"
From the wiki:
The interview also details how the two new endings of Royal (the ones designed around Maruki's machinations) were designed so that neither one should be the definitive "true" ending. The development team called the two endings the "stay ending" and "return ending," referring to whether the player chooses to remain in Maruki's reality or to go back to the original reality. The conclusion to the story was meant to be "there is no single path to justice."
This is the comment I’ve been looking for for weeks. Tysm for posting this, because this is such a big piece of info about Maruki and his ending ❤
Akechi and joker looking at the camera genuinely gives me chills man,they know that you picked the wrong ending
Notice how here it says “end” but in the true ending it says “Fin”
Arman Yusaf whats that mean
Javier F since this is just a bad ending so it’s like everything here just ended all of a sudden like it’s ending the game ended but with the true ending it’s like everything you need to do is done and it’s all wrapped up so it’s finished everything is finished and you can move on
@@gamerlife4276 and fin is end in spañish
hacking the day that’s not Spanish it’s Latin, it just it originated from italy and the Spanish using it I’m their films in the early 1900
All false/bad endings get ‘End’
Everything hits so hard...Sojiro asking you to be under his care, Futaba having her mother back, even Akechi being the guy he always wanted to be. The fact that this ending is the bad one really cements the fact that P5 is really a game of society and "unjust-ness". Nothing can be perfect, but you must keep looking forward and creat your own path of freedom.
Captain Roosevelt what are you talking about? The ending where you spend white day with Kasumi is the real perfect happy ending :)
Just because it's not the ending you work the hardest for doesn't make it the bad ending. The whole point of this is that there's no real objective right answer. Should people live with their tragedies and grow instead maybe? Or perhaps not grow at all from it. Or should they simply be given a world in which they can be happy? There's no objective right answer, there's just the answer that the protagonist chooses in each ending.
You said it truly like a poet hmph you know a happy looking ending actually being a bad one and a sadder looking ending being really happy is not far off from everything in reallity roses always have thorns and a corpse lily doesent....
Captain Roosevelt like how you wrote this entire comment and still managed to misspell “ create “
@@suave605 ikr. happens every time
I love the symbolism of Maruki offering to take the picture instead of Akechi, therefore putting Akechi "back in the picture" like he did in this version of reality by reviving him and having him remain friends with the thieves.
The philosophical meaning behind this whole semester is incredible and I truly appreciate the work Atlus did! Maruki is now one of my favorite characters along with Akechi and the complete opposite ideologies that they represent is really interesting. Sumire was a great addition as well and is top tier girl along with Futaba
But still Akechi is like already the other guy not really him
Saying that he will be working freelance kinda scares me tho... Like he is now getting an introvert job which is not him at all
Yeah, having Maruki take the pic was a great touch.
The thing that truly makes this ending "bad" is the fact that this reality has no place for Maruki. No one remembers him anymore. The world may be under his control, but it is one that he cannot be a part of. He created a perfect reality for everyone...except himself.
While true, the real thing that makes it bad is that the ideal world he speaks of is impossible if you just think about it for more than 2 seconds. People's dreams come in conflict with each other, like how winning a competition means someone else has to lose for example. And what happens once Maruki dies? He's still human even if he has the power of a god.
It goes to show that the "ideal" reality he creates is no more than his deluded attempts at control. He may believe he's making people happy, but all he is doing is giving people no other option but to be happy.
@@nazufluff yeah this is basically a utopia, world without conflict is really weird and uncomfortable
@@kozuta8858 No that is not what I meant at all. It's not a world without conflict, it's a world where conflict is not allowed to exist. Maruki is judge, jury, and executioner of people's wills and emotions. Though the game does a very poor job of addressing why his plan is a horrible terrible one so I don't blame you for not realizing that.
@@nazufluff I know, I'm actually agreeing on what you first said. Also I haven't finished the game yet since I cannot play it sadly lol
@@nazufluff I wouldn't say the game does a very poor job of addressing why the plan is bad, I feel like it just respects the audience's intelligence enough for them to come to their own conclusions. Writing that beats you over the head, especially in a story with mature themes, is bad writing. The majority of people who think this is a good idea just haven't thought it through enough, and that's on them--not the game.
I love that the credits theme is a remix of Maruki’s theme. Cuz you live in his world now.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed that, credits got creepier as I realized. lol
And it’s so good
The bad ending always has the final dungeon music.
Anyone else hear how Robbie’s delivery for “Detective Prince” Akechi is different in the bad ending than when he was still pretending? “Nice Boy” Akechi’s delivery used to have a certain... smarminess to it. Here, he just sounds happy.
Yes. He can actually be a person he has always wanted to be. It's really sad :(
God I love Robbie’s voice acting, it’s so natural it’s disconcerting. Really makes you appreciate the little touches he brings to Akechi’s delivery.
Exactly... Goro sounds so genuinely happy in this as if he finally became the person he wanted to be.
Exactly, but know it's not what he himself wanted makes it all the more disturbing
Wdym
The scene with Maruki gave me chills. It was just so creepy how absolutely no one remembered him and how he is kinda just God ease dropping on his people
eavesdropping
That grin at the end by Joker (and a few other points) implies that he’s the only one who knows what’s going on, and is relishing in it.
The fact that Robbie Daymond can pull FOUR different tones of voice for one character is astounding. Which makes it all the more interesting when it comes to Akechi's voice during the bad end. It isn't of a liar like Crow, it isn't of a psychopath like the black masked Akechi, and it isn't of a smug bastard like 3rd semester Akechi.
It's so eerie to actually hear him sound happy, and they pulled it off extremely well. ESPECIALLY when the last image depicts him and Joker staring at the camera, as if they both know about the past world. The world is happy on the inside... But crooked on the outside.
Wouldn't it be happy on the outside, but crooked on the inside? They have a happy face, it seems happy, but on the inside it's all an illusion. None of it is real, and they no longer have a choice.
ive been thinking about this since reaching the third semester, it really is a testament to how skilled he is as a va. doing a bunch of crazy voices is still impressive, but being able to do the same character voice in 4 distinct, yet believable tones is super impressive to me. the liar akechi who's cordial while secretly disdainful of everyone around him, the psychotic sadist akechi becomes when he's in battle, the third semester akechi who's cold and distant, and the akechi of this ending who's truly happy and carefree are all so believable that it really adds a new level of depth to the character that wouldn't be there if the performance was just "adequate".
He literally is the only person who respects the Japanese pronunciation in this dub. If he says Takuto Maruki, it IS supposed to sound like that in Japanese, or at least should be very, very close (hard R and all)
Maruki was such an amazing character. They absolutely nailed the final arc in every way shape and form.
Seriously, I just finished royal and was really impressed with how much they put into the extra arc. Might be my favorite palace and antagonist, definitely top 3 at least.
He is the goodest bad guy that we have ever gotten
Which is saying a lot, because you literally fought a God before Maruki. I dunno how they made him more epic than that but they did.
@@patrickbaker1457 I mean, he had literally taken on Yaldabaoth's powers and role when you fight him, so...
yeah
he's doing bad to our destiny but not a "villan" per se
it’s way too perfect
yusuke considers transferring to shujin
my same reaction
Exactly
Yeah, an art student with talent tranferring to a regular school with one year of school left? He's there on a scholarship which covers his room and board, Shuujin is a regular highschool with a great reputation for sports. So, unless actualization can cover his rent and meals...
@@Mysticgamer except that Madarame is alive in this reality. Probably Yusuke still lives in his house and has no problems with money.
@@Mysticgamer "unless actualization can cover his rent and meals..." It can. You know how many people won the lottery or who made millions playing the stock market? A bunch of pedestrians whom Joker can listen in on while exploring Maruki's actualized world.
Morgana carrying Ann's bags like the good simp he is
His dream is to be Ann's top simp
If Ann was a twitch streamer Morgana would be the type of guy to brag about being her #1 donator
@@dhans9662Morgona would be that one chat moderator who couldn't even get a high five from the E-thot
When you go into the thieves den and look read the description of last picture. It says “ a glimpse of a happy world made into reality. What could that pair be looking at...?”
True "are you happy for yourself making them choose this ending" moment
Bruh moment
They know
I was always going to pick the true ending just because I wanted to see the fight, but I felt terrible about doing it until Maruki said something along the lines of “You no longer have to suffer, I can fix reality” when you confront him in his palace before being joined by the rest of the thieves. That’s when it hit me that in a way, this is just the same trap that Yaldaboath offered, freedom from having to think for yourself.
What I love about Royals final dilemma is that it feels personal in a way that the original just doesn’t. When the question of whether or not you should fight for your own free will is posed by some monstrous deity surrounded by a tower of mindless sheep in literal prison cells, it’s easy to sit there and say to yourself “yea, I’m a free thinker, no way I’d want to end up like them”. But when that deity is someone who’s been with you from nearly the start of your journey and who genuinely cares about you and your dreams and the prison cells are happy, idyllic lives, that you as the player are forced to snuff out one by one, the decision to break free is so much less obvious and so much more painful, and as a result feels that much more meaningful.
Sam Harman underrated comment
Yeah couldn't agree more, but what makes the dilemma more personal to me is when the game pointed out maruki's happiness standard test is also the same with mine lol
Well put
Finally an actual smart people in the sea of idiots lol.
So underrated.
The free will thing didn't bother me, I'm a deterministic person, to me there is no free will.
Notice how protagonist and akechi are the only ones looking at the player
*they’re the only ones who know*
that IS eerie, though I got the impression that Akira is the only one who remembers and not Akechi. Otherwise I don't even think Akechi would go along with it
@@YoonchiYa The entire Bad End, I was waiting for Akechi to just make it clear he remembered. I could *feel* the paranoia.
It never gets directly confirmed, but that look tells you everything you need to know.
@@LieutenantAmerica I read more comments and it seems like it's the general view that he DOES know but that Maruki basically rearranged his cognition to be someone who happily accepts such an ending (I think?)
I don't know why but I just have so many questions about this ending
@@YoonchiYa It's almost like they are judging you for picking the bad ending
I always thought thats why he gives up on his primary ambitions and goes freelance. He knows that his path in life matters little now. He is back to his deceptive self when he speaks to the others. He thinks little of them for succumbing to the promises of maruki
Akechi’s character in the Royal arc can be summed up in an old adage of sorts - ‘I’d rather you all hate me for everything I am, than love me for something I’m not’.
He wants to be himself, flaws and all. The sheer transformation he goes through in that regard is astounding. I loathed him prior to the Royal arc beginning, but I found a new respect and appreciation for his character in this story. He knows he’s fucked up, but that’s the hand he was played in life and he’d rather fight it than hide from it.
I think that's why he wants to go against Maruki so much because it doesn't feel right that everyone forgives him/forgot whar he did because he knows he did terrible things and he's tired of keeping up a facade after so long
This is expert writing.
I legitimately didn't know what to think. I chose this ending thinking "there has to be a catch, I wanna see what happens". But no, everything is *perfect.* I legit thought it would end in a jumpscare or Maruki killing us all - but it is a legit *perfect* ending. And I actually teared up in a few spots.
And yet, it's the bad ending. Judging from the comments, I see why now.
the "catch" is that both Joker and Akechi clearly remember what they went through earlier, and it keeps them separate from the rest of the group. This is shown by Akechi offering to take the picture, he clearly in uncomfortable self-inserting into a group of people he almost killed, and then by Ren who looks on at Maruki walking away, clearly knowing who he is and probably wondering if he did the right thing, before he physically has to step back into the group, further denoting that he will always have knowledge they don't.
The game knows the best writing it serves up still will always be "video game writing"
The catch probably lies in Maruki's second awakening persona, as we see it has a special voice and has the ability to 'use' hosts, possibily, it is Yadlbalth's dying will reincarnated as we know it, and through Maruki, anyone like the phantom thieves will be crushed, and mental shutdowns storm the real world all over again.
For me the catch is seeing Sumire winning the competition but still believing she's Kasumi, I honestly wanted to stay with everyone, and be happy together, but I can't accept seeing her like that again.
It’s because living in a perfect environment and quite literally a FAKE reality is running from the truth. Like sumire still being “Kasumi.” And now your essentially living in a sitcom like another commenter said.
Despite what everyone says this is not a “bad” ending it’s just not the true one
I think another reason this a bad ending, besides the fact that everything is fake, is that no one grows anymore. In this end, no one made any plans for the future. Because of the fact that they’re constantly happy they don’t seek change, and they aren’t going to look towards the future for something more. In the true ending, for example, Makoto goes apartment shopping w Sae after deciding to become a police commissioner. She’s thinking and preparing for the future in that case, she’s going to continue to grow and learn through life. But in this ending, what is she doing? She graduated, yes, but now what? From the credits, is she just going to stay home and cook for her family? She’s happy in the moment, but she doesn’t have anything for the future. She didn’t learn her sense of rebellion, she doesn’t have any ambitions anymore.
And I guess that’s what I appreciate about this ending, it shows how being constantly happy and content stunts ones growth. They’re just going to stay there, forever, unchanging.
That’s also why I enjoy the true end, because they all move forward to the future. They all have aspirations and goals to look forward to. They aren’t going to wish for what could’ve been, because they’ve accepted there’s no point, and frankly, they’re better people from what happened to them.
Well said, this comment is underrated
I think it ultimately comes down to a numbers game. Maruki himself admits that to get past your hangups and grow as a person is the ideal situation, but counters by saying that not all people (or most, rather) can actually do that. So many are trapped by their realities that all that can really be done for mass salvation is this plot.
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@Novem's Natural Roll taking away what makes someone themselves for the sake of blind happiness is overall wrong. Some pain is essential to live, and everyone has a right to live their own life... Not what someone else thinks their best life should be
@Novem's Natural Roll there is no concept of happiness without pain. Without pain happiness is an empty emotion. You are Very Very wrong In My Opinion.
So Joker has to always live with the feeling that something's off, or wrong, with what's going on.
That's an awful life no matter how you go about it.
What is This? He’s looking right at you in the end card, same with Akechi. They know somethings wrong, but at that point you’ve given in to Maruki. They can’t do anything about it anymore.
When he and Akechi are looking at the player it's like they're saying "You did this. Are you proud of yourself? We're all living a lie now thanks to you."
@@GobaGNon ITS 3AM AND THAT IS GENUINELY FREAKING ME OUT OH MY GOOOD
@@myeeeeeh Jesus Christ that's fucking deep my dude
I mean, is it though? It's implied joker fully remembers what happened, and nobody questions it unless asked about it.
that moment when akechi joined the group picture after maruki offered to take the shot hit really hard for me.
"you're all friends right?"
It has a deep meaning. He is reconnecting Akechi with the rest of the group, hence 'putting him back in the picture'
Seeing this after the passing of Billy Kametz hits too hard man.. especially since this is the “bad” ending, yet everyone is still so happy.
Cause it's basically fake that's why it says end and not fin
It's not a bad ending. The game never says it's a bad ending.
Just letting you know Sumire is mentally dead in this ending
*read the second half of this comment, people keep replying to it without reading lol *
And kasumi is in the other ending.
Also I might be being stupid but that's what I think. I actually just beat the game, and the true ending is without a doubt the worst persona ending I've seen, so I'm a little bitter. I don't even agree with the bad ending choice, but I think it's a way more satisfying way to wrap up the story than p5r true end :( If they straight up didn't have a new ending, and just had P5s ending, I would be happy
Edit: I slept on it, looked up the lyrics to the credit song and really considered the theme of the game, and I completely change my mind to be honest. Everything I said is wrong. I love the ending. Also edit:, but my 3 favourite endings have all made me feel like this. I'm so sad that it had to end like that, but then I can't get it out of my mind for weeks or months and I realize "yeah this is 10/10"
@@ftl_ow what makes the true ending so bad, its about the same as the vanilla p5 ending.
@@ftl_ow The worst persona ending!? Have you seen P3's ending? That is on a whole other level of worst but goes well with the theme.
@@mat8791 read the second half of my comment
@@mat8791 lol you think p3's ending is bad? Look at p2's ending, specifically innocent sin, main box cover "waifu" dies, world ends, and everyone is sent to a different world without their memories.
As nice as it is for the characters to essentially have their dreams come true, they basically have no freedom. Everything they do is just the perfect choice, characters act in their most ideal ways, a complete simulation where everyone’s lives have already been predetermined, like they’re lifeless puppets. There’s no substance to their lives. It’s creepy to think about.
Here's another wrinkle to think about: What happens when they get old? Do they get old? Infirmity, of any type, leads inevitably to pain, both your own and that of the people around you. But being young for years, decades, centuries on end would inevitably break the illusion, so where is the line drawn?
@Daniel Paul So do they age perpetually, or do they die? Because either would lead to pain, at least how Maruki describes it.
Daniel Paul There is a way of getting out of that reality. It’s called the true ending
It’s the opposite extreme of adult control. Made Maruki interesting to me.
This reminds me of a priest and a vampire...
This ending is so disturbing to me.
I think it is very powerful how they show dictatorship and totalitarianism in both of its aspects; framed as awful and evil, with Yaldabaoth, and then kind and gentle, with Maruki.
What people fail to realize is that Maruki is deeply human. That is like the point of his character. And what do humans do? Get bored. Change. Lose focus. Crave power and control.
What do you think would happen to a man, no matter how kind or well-intentioned he is, who desperately craves control over the chaos that is life, given an infinite amount of time and a self-imposed duty to maintain this saccharine concept of reality?
He will eventually cave. Every person is a figment of his cognition now. We see that his biases are already leaking into reality, with the news broadcasts lauding Japan as a paragon nation.
He's short-sighted, like this decision is.
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." ;)
Thank you for giving an answer that goes beyond the suffering builds character argument. If everyone is living their best life and nothing needs to change... then why does the concept of a paragon still need to exist?
Also the mention of Yaldabaoth: what Maruki's ultimately doing here isn't much different from what Yaldabaoth wanted to do. It's just made softer and cutesier and more appealing to people. @@catkaboodle
@@F1areon The sitcom life of your dreams!
...But if your dreams are incompatible with his, you don't get to have a life at all.
Or he just goes into your mind and forcibly alters you so that your dreams ARE compatible with his. @@catkaboodle
@@F1areon One could say that what Maruki does is no different from the phantom thieves either. The only difference being the scale and issue
The end credits show everyone's dream - Haru is with her dad near Big Burger with a queue outside, Makoto is with Sae and her dad, Futaba is with Sojiro and her mom, Anne is with Shiho, Morgana is carrying shopping for Anne, and Joker is... Joker is with Akechi. Akechi is his dream, not just his 'way out' of prison in the fake reality.
I love this reality though
@@pancakegamer335living with fake versions of your dead relatives?
The fact that this bad ending is fully voiced, well-acted AND because of that, hits all the feels... shows you just how effective Maruki's entire motivation is. It's clearly twisted and distorted, but not without well-meaning and clear thought.
Honestly, his palace is probably my favorite part of the game now, right next to Futaba's.
PS. The creepiest part about this ending honestly is that the MC KNOWS that this is fake, despite the actualization overtaking pretty much everyone else. Yet, he chooses to entrap everyone because he thinks its for the best. Very classic thought experiment in a video game.
That's why I love this game. :)
i still want to kick Marukis nuts for a bit due to the 1st half of his palace, but still Maruki is definitely one of the better Persona villains, not to mention one of the best developed imo.
Even in a “perfect” world, Joker’s spirit of rebellion continues to burn. I’d actually be interested in seeing someone come up with a story of Joker deciding to finally fight back after the new reality takes over. Done right, it could be really engaging.
This ending feels 100% great the best choice. Why? No more creeps can practice their ways forever restricted, plus other stuff
@@princecharming8125 however at the same time it feels wrong it feels great but there is a part of me at least screaming at me this is not right
@@Aquabzs It’s because it’s a false reality where your all being controlled so it’s not genuine happiness and while it does reverse all the damage that happened during your life as well as others lives the price is everyone loses their freedom which in other words…
It’s nothing more than a dream world you can never wake up from
From a writing standpoint, this ending completely undermines everything that was fought for in Persona 5.
_...But I guess that was the point, wasn't it?_
most likely
if it didn't it wouldn't be a bad ending
I mean imagine you can have everything you've ever wanted but you'd have to live a lie
@dark zeratul But with this ending you're not living your own life. Sure life will be exactly as you want it but it wouldn't be due to your hard work and devotion. It would simply be a life that someone else decided would be perfect for you. Like living in a simulation. I wouldn't call that living
@@nosferatu3726 It's not really a lie. His reality becomes truth and isn't an illusion. The moral of this ending is that you threw away everything you fought for.
I'll miss him. Rest in Peace Billy Kametz.
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Maruki telling Akechi that he's friends with the gang always melts my heart.
This ending is the only reason we see Futaba in a Shujin outfit
I don't like futaba but, it hit hard.
and p5d!
@@DaPootisBird What is p5d?
sonicboom126 persona 5 dancing
@@DaPootisBird Man that was so obvious.
God Maruki is one of the best antagonists I've ever seen he's so sympathetic and his motives are purely to help others no matter what. I will say though he is definitely wrong making the illusion world I love seeing people like Akechi and Sumire who had such terrible lives actual have happier endings but to hide from reality isn't the way to do things we have challenges and tragedies in are lives for a reason to make us stronger and define who we are it's unnatural for everything to be perfect even if we so desperately wish life was.
Also I feel like Akechi isn't actually happy but is just wearing a mask with all this considering the end pic shows him and Joker looking at the camera implying they both know the truth (the Thieves Den confirms this fact and even highlights it in the description of the picture) also doing this actually completely kills off Sumire for real since the only thing left is "Kasumi" so Sumire is basically dead and is never coming back only thing left is a shadow of her sister who acts like her (despite the real Kasumi being dead) it's kind of messed up if you think about it
@@souju7317 He isn't like a villain because, by definition, he really isn't one, he is just an antagonist and a great one at that.
Thats why i think Maruki is so brilliant, his motives are still a correct way of thinking, its still flawed, but enough that i was genuinely doubting that the True Ending was actually the Good Ending, when a Antagonist makes you question your own morals and what makes a human being...well, human, you can tell he was made well.
The worst part is how Maruki isn't even lying to you like Yaldabaoth. He made a world in which all desires were fullfilled.
I really just wish that he was more of a persistent force throughout the game beyond his social link. What little we got of him was great, but just imagine what a whole game that explores an antagonist like him would be like. I really hope Atlus takes notes from this on how to write villains for the series in the future.
17:13 oof it's like Joker and Akechi know they're stuck in this reality and are forced to be wearing smiles. this ending high-key creeps me out ngl, they have no free will. even in maruki's palace it's explained that they never get to really achieve their dreams and wants in life. if it's too risky, Maruki doesn't let them do it. in the true ending, they all follow their passions. this ending is just... not right
Despite how happy everyone looks, it makes me sad knowing that they’re not thinking for themselves anymore. Almost like puppets.
Especially Akechi. It’s sounds so disturbing with how happy and cheerful he sounds. You can tell that’s not what he’s really like.
to me, this ending isn't about being denied freewill, rather being denied hardship. to me, none of them are "puppets", rather they are unhindered. Morgana is a human and therefore never has to grow out of his delusion that he is one, Haru's dad is a good, loving person, both preventing any of his amoral business practices and preventing Haru from ever needing to self actualize against him, Futaba's mom is alive and seemingly in a relationship with Sojiro, giving her proper parental figures and preventing the trauma that would cause her to fall into depression, etc. To me, these people are still quote unquote "free" to make their own decisions in life, but aren't ever challenged to become better, like well the real human experience. they will never "grow" because they will never have to.
Akechi is condemned to eternally being on TV
@@quinnmarchese6313 They are actually denied free will. The only choices you make are remedial ones like do you want waffles or pancakes for breakfast. Everything beyond that you have no control. You are literally scripted.
@@elld1995 i don't agree. there isn't exactly enough info in the ending itself for you to be able to make that exact claim. thats your extrapolation, and its a totally fair one, but i just don't agree.
@@quinnmarchese6313 no info? Akechi is literally proof. If you look at the last credit photo while everyone is in the Cafe both Akechi and Joker look at you the player. If you look at the photo in the game in thieves den mode the description of the photo is that they both look at the player knowing it's all a fake reality but are unable to even talk about it or act out. All they are able to do is being forced to smile and fake be friends. Hell Maruki literally said he will rewrite their minds. If they truly had free wills then Akechi would literally rebel and same with Joker but they can't despite mentally knowing what's going on.
can we talk for a minute about sojiro's offer for you to stay at the cafe? you don't have a *choice* to say no, as both options point to yes.
Why would anyone want to say no? Living with Sojiro is awesome
If you would pick no, every persona fan would kill you
Of course not.
You like it here, don't you?
Why would you want to leave?
*Maruki intensifies*
I mean it kinda shows that you don't have control over your choices anymore. Maruki decides your life now , even if it is perfect , it's not really "your" life anymore
mrbutter 100 That’s basically every option in Persona 5. Illusion of choice
When you just want to simp and keep Akechi alive but he is literally the person who is telling you to escape this fake reality.... God, this decision hurts me.
Yeah I simped for Akechi hard, no homo tho
We don't want him to disappear/die because we're hardcore simps xd
He does live though because in the true ending you see him outside the train window...
@@devenante3463 That is up for the audience to decide. Nothing is true. You can use the argument that they took out a scene that confirmed he's alive, but it was taken out for a reason. It's up for us to decide. I'd like to believe he's alive aswell but don't pretend that it's canon, alright?
Yeah I thought at first that this reality wasn't so bad, but if Akechi feels bad then we have to get outta here.
This decision made me consider everything about these characters it hurt I did choose to fight against it cause story but... when looking at the bad “ending” I’m kinda jealous this isn’t what we got
And also when sojiro asked for us to stay and joker answers with “I want to stay forever” that gave me chills
You can be jealous that this isn't what we got, but comparing the true ending to this one, I think the true one ends up being a lot more powerful as a result... The thieves broke apart and are starting to live their own lives planning for the future. They have moved past their previous struggles by themselves, and have grown because of it. All that because they decided to take responsibility and control for themselves and fight through the concequences with their own strength
The "I want to stay forever" line is very much what Morgana said during the Okumura arc
RIGHT?? AND THE FACT THAT BOTH DIALOGUE OPTIONS REMAIN A SINCERE-SOUNDING "YES"
Sojiro asking Joker to stay was when it really hit me that this ending is _too_ perfect.
I really like how the game treats this ending as a full completion, not just another throwaway bad ending. It means that you can leave them happy living in that world, and I really like that.
yes but look at the way Joker and Akechi look at the camera, sitting alone, seperate from their friends. I think this implies they know what you did. They know they're trapped. While the rest of your friends party and play, they sit alone staring at the camera, directly at you. You did this. You took away their choice. It teally is thought provoking
@@royalcass Lmao, are those expression looks like saying "feel guilty for trapping us here". They look at the camera cause Joker was the protagonist. You know on those ending where the MC would look at the audience since it's their final goodbye since you finished the game/show or something.
@@royalcass this comment has English teacher levels of reaching
@@user-wu8qc9bb3e No, they're not necessarily saying feel guilty, it's just a reminder. It's symbolic, and my interpretation. You may not agree but you should be able to see how one could draw this conclusion
@@ThatGuyKh1 It's just my interpretation, sorry for looking deeper and seeing things differently i guess. I never said you have to agree
Sumire being Kasumi for eternity gives me all kinds of bad feelings. Actually this ending gives me a quiet feeling of dread that just won't go away even though i got the true ending. I don't really know why though... Everyone's happy but it irks me in the Lovecraft way. Which is really fitting considering the final palace
Edit: I think i figured out why. I think it's cause the phantom thieves shown here aren't who they are. Sumire and Akechi bring obvious examples but also everyone else feels like a surface level being. They're cardboard cut outs not people full of life
Tron Joestar also side note: Sumire is mentally dead in this ending :)
@@unamite3762 and so is kasumi in the true ending
Grace the difference is: kasumi is actually dead. Plus I don’t think so. I think she’s sort of living on in Sumire. Hence her appearing during her awakening, as well as the showtime she’s in. Seeing as bonds are incredibly important in this game (moreso in p4) I think it’s feasible enough to assume she’s not 100% dead. Whereas Sumire would be should you decide to go with Maruki’s “perfect” world
@@karenbier44 kasumi is dead no matter what. The "Kasumi" we see here is an imitation by Sumire. But no matter how good it may be, she's still an imitation. Sumire is essentially lobotomized here and it gives me the big sad
That's exactly why this is the bad ending even though everyone is happy. You stripped away what made the characters themselves, leaving only the superficial aspects of them. The part that irked me was how they were talking about being together forever and how Yusuke thought about moving to Shujin.
For some reason, the part where Ryuji does the goofy thing with his mouth and the mic and none of his friends make call him weird for it is the scariest part. It feels so forced and unnatural. It's really like a happy go lucky, nothing will go wrong children's cartoon where every character gets along 100% of the way.
The Only thing i do like about this ending is that both Akechi and Sumire/Kasumi whatever are 100% part of the group now instead of being the Two Outlandish members who only show up in extremely particular situations.
Akechi and Joker hit me in a way I really wasn't expecting.
I feel you, I was holding it like a champ after seeing the other pictures, then that one went in and it sent me to sleep
Really ,make me feel
Dude, everything with them in Royal hit me in a way I wasn't expecting that the main game just didn't do.
*Our Light Intensifies*
@@supremeoverlord0 Maruki is my favorite Antagonist by far. Followed by Gaunter O’Dimm lol
@@immortalslime2908 Maruki is so good. 🥺
This ending hurts my heart. I can't bear to watch everyone blissfully unaware of whats truly happened. It may be a "happy" ending, but certainly not a good one.
Khyn Win Maung does akechi doesnt realize too?
@@javierf6162 only Akechi and the protag are seemingly aware of this
Exactly what Diogenes once taught. Sometimes happiness is not as good as you think. It simply makes you more ignorant of the harsh world you live in.
It's not happy at all. Would you call a person laughing at a dead man on the ground happy?
@@dontlistentome7498 yes
Honestly this ending makes me think about what happened to other people in the franchise like Adachi. Dude hated the world normally, so what would happen with him? Would he still be locked up. Would he start to enjoy time with Yu Dogima and Nanako? Or any members of the investigation team. They were enjoying their life in Inaba what would change for them?
Pretty sure adachi would "suffer" the same fate akechi did. Live as a good person under maruki's thumb and become friends with his used-to-be enemies
Imo it's safe to assume Adachi got rewritten to have a "happy" life like Akechi
Given Okumara and Madarame got rewritten lives, it's probably safe to assume Maruki would be willing to help even the vilest if either a) he sees reason to pity them, having become monsters due to an awful past even if not justifying their present day actions, or b) even a single person believes there is/was still genuine good in them (like Yusuke with Madarame)
Honestly I'd be willing to bet Maruki even spared Strega
I see so many people saying this ending sucks basically because it’s not right since it’s not the real reality. That’s true, but you honestly can’t judge those who agree with this ending. Everyone has their breaking point, for some, it may be losing a family member. For others, it could be losing multiple family members, everyone’s breaking points are different, but we all have them. So with enough suffering, all of us would eventually pick this option if we had a choice like this irl.
Honestly, that’s what makes this split so perfect. The choice to live in bliss, in a world devoid of the struggles you once fought tooth and nail against and all of your wishes granted, despite knowing it’s not your own, or the choice to live a life with conflict, loss, and suffering knowing it’s the truth of the world. It’s honestly a tough one. People have different opinions on it, and who knows if those opinions would stay if they were given the option?
Sometimes, pain just hurts. It hurts without making you stronger. It hurts without teaching you anything. It hurts without helping you find out how strong you are. Sometimes, it just hurts. How long can platitudes like "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" or "you can make it through this" help someone before they... take drastic measures to get away from the pain? I would accept his offer, if I had a say-so in it.
Morgana admits himself that theres plenty of people who would objectively live a better life in marukis reality
Sojiro adopting you is giving me second thoughts on the true ending
I mean MCs parents didn't contact him for like a year so yeah , it would be best for him to stay with Sojiro , who treats him like an actual human.
David Diaconu Maybe probation laws are different in Japan. Who knows? He could have called them before he changed into his bedtime clothes or on his way back to Leblanc. Either way, it’s not that important so maybe that’s why the game left it out.
i just headcanon that joker eventually takes over leblanc even in the true ending, or just moves back after a few years because it’s where he belongs or something. regardless i just want sojiro to adopt me
i have a head canon that he doesn’t like his parents either like at all, perhaps they called and he didn’t answer them
ʇɹɐǝɥ ɐɹʇɔǝןǝ same. i head canon then beint abusive to him so he doesn’t wanna go back, so he stays with sojiro after explaining his home situation
You know what they say
"If something seems too good to be true, it probably is."
Isn't
@@squirtleislife1312
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@Fran reading this back, I thought it meant "if something seems too good to be true, it probably *isn't* true", when the original comment was saying that it *is* probably too good to be true. Pretty dumb misunderstanding from my part I gotta say
@@squirtleislife1312 That's why you shouldn't be a grammar Nazi, because in the end you correct it wrong and just embarrass yourself.
@@Benjamin-ml7sv how did I embarrass myself? I misunderstood what the op said and corrected my mistake afterwards, what's wrong with that
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Everyone, to Billy Kametz.
This ending's negative meaning really resonated with me as a fan of Higurashi. There is an arc where one of the girls gets to see a world where her friends "avoided" their struggles, they never came to pass, much like this (details avoided). A perfect world. And she realizes she doesn't like it. The people she meets no longer feel like, no longer *are* her friends. To do our best without worrying about what could've gone better is what we're here for. Facing hardships and forging our hearts with them, that's part of being human; and it drives our connections with others, too. A world without strife is a world without meaning.
I sympathize with and even greatly admire Akechi's decision, even though I'm sure it was somewhat driven by his past hurt. As a side note; I can now safely say that Akechi's VA delivered easily one of the best performances I've heard in any game. The contrast between both of his main Akechi voices is incredible, but this ending knocked it out of the park. His voice here feels like a shadow of what he could sound like without his usual bitterness, it's well-balanced and the difference is delicately handled. It's even worse because it is closer to a "normal" Akechi voice, but it is so wrong to listen to in context because it actually means everything about him that was him, even though it wasn't particularly happy, has been removed. To the point where it's disturbing. It is a complete betrayal of Akechi's trust to force him into this. That alone would probably be enough to get me to not do this to him if I had the choice.
This was the ending they deserved...
but didn't need
wait do they deserved this?
how are we sure about it?
@@sharkicito9210 i mean they are the good guys who done a lot, so i guess they deserved this
jose p They deserved to be happy. This may be the bad ending but it’s not really a “bad ending.”
@@supergohansonic nah it's bad.
I wouldn't say "deserved," more like "desired." As much as you or I want Akechi to have this reality, he definitely doesn't deserve it. Don't forget he was a demented serial killer.
If you really think about it, this ending undermines everything in the entire sub-series up to this point.
Persona 2 was about seeing through delusions and trying your best in being true to yourself. (Something that Sumire struggles with but learns to overcome.)
Persona 3 was about accepting loss and learning to grow from it. (Again with Sumire and even Haru have to cope with)
Persona 4 was about seeking the truth, even if it's ugly and working to make yourself better by embracing it instead of running away. (Yusuke was hit hard with this one)
Persona 5 was about taking control for yourself and not letting anyone dictate your path or destiny. (Ren, Ryuji, Ann and Makoto all find ways to overcome this)
This ending, as sweet as it is, spits in the face of all of that. Accepting a delusion as reality, throwing away your growth from everything you've lost along the way, willingly living in a lie and letting someone else run your life in their own version of what is "ideal." In one fell swoop, Ren basically demolishes everything his predecessors fought, bled and died for.
On the bright side, if no one is left with negative emotions, it means no more cognitive entities like Izanami that are drawn to a collective desire. It also means that, with everyone happy and no one wanting to die anymore, Minato can finally be free of his prison.
PhoenixBlazer39 I personally find the idea of Minato being set free in Maruki’s reality a little sad. Yeah he’s finally free, but he’s not only not allowed to live his life how he chooses, but I can’t help but feel that what happened to the P-Thives in the beginning of the third semester will just happen to SEES. It’d be a world where their likely friends but not nearly as close as they were in the original reality. He’d be free, but not in the world he died for.
Deeeeeeeep
It's especially true for me in Persona 3's context. Because this LITERALLY gives me a similar vibe as the ending where you kill Ryoji.
In all of an instant, everyone lives in ignorant bliss, Aigis/Sumire are now removed from everyone's cognition for good, even the post-credits is a picture of everyone enjoying life that slowly fades. Nyx and Maruki's Finale was also called the "Promised Day" in Japanese.
It's to a point where when you tell me the Actualization Persona he was running was actually an AI made by someone (else) who used to work in the Kirijo Group and formed a splinter of Cognitive Psience and the end goal of Cognitive Psience is to entirely remove the desire of death from mankind I will believe in it.
@@inky_the_inkling3908 You know what? Perhaps it could be starting from a goal to entirely remove the concept of Nyx from man.
Maruki is now my go-to example whenever someone asks what a Hufflepuff would look like as a villain.
LITERALLY
damn. Dats crazy
Well now I can’t unsee it
12:40 Man Akechi and akira playing chess. Thats a nice touch. But sadly this reality was never meant to be.
Yeah, agree. I never picked this ending in the game and accidentally wrote over my save file to see what this looked like, but at least I've got RUclips. So happy I didn't pick this ending, though. Feels wrong. The way they look at each other there pains me.
In the end card after the credits of the ending notice how only Akechi and the Protagonist is looking at the camera AKA you is if their asking you the player if you really thought this was right or if you really wanted this I dunno I just find it interesting they're the only ones looking at the camera
If you read the description of the photo in the Gallery, it reads "A glimpse of a hppy world made into reality. What could that pair be looking at...?" It's 100% intentional that they're smirking at you.
@@MasterOfBasara I know I saw it in the Theives Den Really makes you wonder why they're smirking at you it's also kind of eerie that it implies both Akechi and The Protagonist is aware of all this it's even more creepy that Akechi somehow acts as if nothing is wrong despite him being aware as well
@@novembermann4854 Well, it's never been hard for him to put on the mask
@@treyla140 I feel like Akechi was alive in Persona 5 R or at least him being alive wasn't entirely because of Maruki since how could Maruki ever know Akechi was in Shido's palace and I don't think he's ever told Maruki anything about his wish or anything in general in fact I don't think he ever did visit Maruki or told him his wish but I feel like Akechi must have survived some how considering how he is and the fact that the true ending hints it and the fact that if Maruki did bring Akechi back he wouldn't have suspected anything to be different and be under the affects of Maruki already like with Madarame and Okumura who in that reality never did anything evil or bad and are acting completely harmless and good (Madarame even stranger since he's done bad things before even adopting Yusuke like letting his mother die) so yeah I think Akechi did survive without much of Maruki's effect since if Maruki was the one who brought him back he would have suspected it or he would have acted differently from the cognitive change
@@novembermann4854 I think so too. Joker's wish wasn't to bring him back but to meet again. So for me this dream reality just created that opportunity, it didn't REVIVE him.
And also the fact, that unlike every other "resurrected" person (Wakaba or Haru's dad) Goro didn't disappear (after the "wisher" realized he's not exactly real, it worked like that before)
There's just no way even Akechi himself knew if he survived or not, he has no memory of Shido's palace. The reasoning of that, I believe, isn't Maruki's intervention, but psychotic breakdown that Goro inflicted on himself. It has a history of erasing memory...
8:34 Akechi offering to serve as the camera man was the point at which I realised he's voiced by the same guy who did Final Fantasy XV's Prompto..... I half expected him to go "Now, IT'S PICTURE TIME!"
I knew his voice sounded familiar!
Robbie Daymond was fantastic in this role
Wait, he VOICED Prompto? Damn what an amazing reach
Really good ‘bad ending’.
You’ve spent 100+ hours going through and overcoming hardships and problems with your friends. That’s completely erased in Maruki’s reality, making what you did in the 100+ hours feel pointless, and it makes you feel empty that you went through all that, only to end with you and your friends to never address it. This is all intentional of course, the ‘true ending’ is bittersweet because of all of the hardships you had to face to end up just going home away from your friends. This ending is bittersweet because of the lack of hardships you had to face to end up exactly where you want to be.
It reminds me of one of the ‘bad endings’ in Persona 4 when you burn Adachi’s letter that holds evidence that proves him guilty. Making what you did in the 100+ hours preceding that scene to feel as if it ended at nothing being improved or resolved, and you’re back at square one after everything that happened, if anything in a worse place, because now you’re forced to answer his calls, and he’s lured you into a life of crime that you will never escape from.
Also I noticed that Maruki wanting to take the picture instead of Akechi taking the picture is symbolic of Maruki bringing Akechi back to life to be happy, while sacrificing his own life (social life with Rumi) to make everyone else happy.
I’m excited what kind of bittersweet ‘sad endings’ they come up with in future Persona games. Atlus is really good at that.
except, with Maruki tinkering, the P4 would be different, too. Adachi wouldnt be the criminal and will remain friends with Dojima family and Narukami. Nanako can have her deceased mother back. Rise and Yukiko wouldnt be so depressed and tired in their lives. Yosuke will get along with Saki Konishi and work together in Junes. Kou will befriend Chie. It's honestly even frightening how much possibilities for "rewriting" lies ahead. That's what makes Maruki an awesome character, with twisted, but honest and well-minded morale compass
I’ve only played 3 persons games but reading your comment make realize something.
All the true endings in p3/(p3p), p4/(p4Golden), and p5/(p5Royal) have you leaving your friends at the end. Your character dies in 3, golden leaves to go back home, and in 5 the same thing. Sure I’m two of them they can visit or whatever but… Like Lemme keep my friends dang it!
Granted I never finished The Answer in p3- I just know the protag became a ‘seal’ for nyx- WHICH ALMOST SEEMS LIKE CAME BACK IN THIS GAME.
This is so fucked. Everytime I watch it, it makes me feel like the bad guy. I have to be the one that says they can't have this, and its genuinely painful.
Interesting that this ending, sumire’s name stays kasumi and not sumire like how she “wanted”
Thats because the doc decides what is best for you. Remember the palace tests? If a dream is hard you are better off geting a new easier dream.
Natsu 2G yeah, I really do like the palace and it’s dynamics they really made the third semester thought provoking
Wait if Maruki had the power to over write reality, why didnt he just bring kasumi's sister back to life like he did futaba, haru, makoto?
Mysticgamer pretty sure sumire wished to actually be kasumi instead of wanting kasumi back alive for the most part but idk LOL
@@Mysticgamer but are they realy alive? Or are they imaginary? From what i understand Doc only makes you belive they are there.
The beginning could have Been the point where the Justice Arcana breaks like back in P3 and P4.
Daniel Paul it’s a feature of the older games! If you made the wrong dialogue choices or neglected certain confidants, they’d start to doubt you, and if you pushed it too far, their confidant with you would break. I agree, having akechi’s confidant break then and there probably would be a powerful moment.
that feature was removed from the game but those events of the arcana breaking are still in the files and can be viewed on youtube
I remember in P3P that if you play as FeMC and you choose to decline being Akihiko's girlfriend, his connection will break. That was rank 9 Star Arcana if I remember correctly
What sucks is that feature was already implemented in the game to an extent but got cut, also wheat sucks is ackechi was an automatic confidant meaning he didn’t get one anyway. If you’re bored you can go look up the reversed confidants on RUclips, their pretty cool.
It feels so sad that everyone's happy ending counterpoints their goal on their SLs.
-Ryuji accepting he doesn't need to be liked by the track team anymore to feel like someone in this life since Kamoshida didn't break his leg or ever abused of any sports team.
-Ann overcoming her sadness and lets know Shiho that she will encounter with her being stronger than ever since Shiho didn't attempt against her life.
-Morgana accepting his fate on the Phantom Thieves, even if it doesn't gets him to be human, having his desires filled from the start and he had no reasons for anything about distortions.
-Futaba learning about an approach to deal with her shyness after being shut-in for so long, since she has her mother to support her always
-Yusuke looking for his rise as artist by his own talents and faith since Madarame always loved him as a son and teaches him everything he knows.
-Makoto learning on her own ways of justice and getting to make people snap out of it, since she doesn't have to worry about any criminalities with her sister and father with her.
-Haru overcoming all of her problems with the company and her fiancée, since her Father never passed away and let her with the burden and never sold her as a business boost.
-Akechi sacrificing himself for the sake of everyone of your friends, he never had a revenge desire, nor Shido ever gave him a reason to, so he can live his life as he always wished.
-Sumire learning about her own strenghts and weakness to slowly grow when she had the 1st place from the start and is the best gymnast.
Everyone lost their reason to have their own rebellion will. No Palaces ever happened, so they never needed to change a pacific and joyful life. No second intentions happened, they will never need a reason to awaken to a Persona, they just will carry on living breaking their own growth.
I love the third semester and Maruki as a character. He also really, REALLY highlights the key differences between himself and the Phantom Thieves. There is also one scene that truly stood out to me as I'm currently replaying it (new game+) with Yoshizawa, Akechi and Joker all at the cafe. Yoshizawa specifically calls out why the Phantom Thieves as an organization shouldn't exist long-term AND why Maruki's plan is a bad one. She is thinking about personal growth and how society needs to get better through self-improvement of its individuals rather than having it forced on them.
Yoshizawa specifically says that any society that keeps the Phantom Thieves as a safety net won't last long because it won't know how to solve its own problems and Maruki is deliberately making it so that EVERYONE has no problems at all, but even that is based entirely on his perception of what each individual needs to be happy, not what they actually need.
It's like Maruki learned the theories to make counseling work but so fundamentally disagrees with the idea that people need to face their own pain and grow past it because he hates the idea of people suffering so much that he'd rather them just not have any.
As a councilor he goes out of his way to try and "fix" people's problems and even tells Joker as much. He has no interest in helping people find ways to fix their own problems and helping them find the tools to do so. It's like Maruki has no faith in humanity's ability to grow and improve itself because he can't accept his own pain and loss and just refuses to deal with it; instead he runs away from his own pain because he can't accept that life just isn't fair.
You know it's a real JRPG because the sunshine-and-rainbows happy ending is the "bad" ending
*cough* DQ11
Anthony Derome it was for veronica ok
That ending is the opposite if sunshine and rainbows. It's terrifying. Knowing every choice you make will lead to the same outcome. Not being able to feel anything except happiness forever is a prison. This ending is The worst fate of the team. Death almost seems more comforting than this ending
@@dontlistentome7498 its infinite happiness and bliss
persona 4 golden had a happy ending for everyone even adachi if u consider the ending for ultimax
In this ending does anyone else get the feeling that Ren and Akechi are judging you
definitely
They know what you did
Yeah they're basically telling you "this was your choice was it worth it are you truly happy with this".
Not sure about Akechi, but Ren is for sure.
Edit: Thought you meant another scene, but now I see that Akechi is totally judging you as well
maruki: i can end your suffering
joker: i dont wanna go to bed early
maruki: i cant do that
joker: *sends calling card
The real reason he declined Maruki's proposal
AKECHI BEING GENUINELY HAPPY LITERALLY MADE ME SO HAPPY I CRIED
The true Akechi would only be genuinely happy being laid back to rest not being controlled by anyone
@Novem's Natural Roll Did you not pay attention to Akechi's final moments in Shido's palace?
Nothing is genuine about this ending, ESPECIALLY not Akechi's "happiness."
GENUINELY happy is different, this is an controlled happy.
Except he isn't genuinely happy. He is a brainwashed puppet. The real Akechi is locked away in his psyche, railing at you for denying him his one wish.
Ah yes P5R, the game where a happy ending is a bad ending and a empty ending is a good ending
It's more like a straight cliffhanger than an empty ending.
well it's more like a true ending where it's canon but doesn't mean it's good
Wouldn’t call it empty just regular. The Yu Narukami left on a Train just like Ren did this time around.
@@Omegaslashbuster1 It's not about the train, it's about the buildup to that scene as well as the scene itself. The P4's good ending has Yu's friends say their goodbyes but then chase after the train as he goes until they get to the edge of the platform-- they actually missed him that much by that point, which is a testament to the depth of their friendship. Even vanilla P5's ending was more conclusive-- similar to P4's good ending, except that Joker's friends are the ones driving him back home themselves.
This is just a cliffhanger. No finality to it. And that's lame.
This ending is a Good ending
While the Depression ending is the bad ending
This is literally infinite tsukiyomi 😢
Maruki is literally Aizen too, even down right to the shaggy unkept hair when he is hiding his true self and slicking it back when he isn't LUL
Also That Shirou Kotomine from Fate with the whole Salvation for the whole world
Devil_Beast 1109 thats exactly what I thought the moment I saw his new look LOL
Yeah except Infinite Tsukuyomi was bad for ONE reason
It was killing the people under control
This is just the perfect life, and there's nothing wrong with that
GudMast3r 13 however this is still considered as they have sacrificed everything they have worked hard for just to live in a false reality and essentially everyone is brainwashed at this point except for the main character.
Random thought - from a certain perspective, this ending is a criticism of utilitarianism. We see in the ending that Maruki is perfectly able to maximize the pleasure (i.e. Ryuji's part of this ending) and minimize the pain (i.e. Futaba's, Akechi's parts come to mind) with near-perfect efficiency. And yet the ending still feels wrong - something has been lost in creating a society of maximum utility, and that something is ambition of all sorts - Makoto is the best example here, as she's shown to have likely given up on her dream to become a police commissioner nor does she start moving out. In this we see how the game makes the claim that people are more than a simple engine for utility to be created, as the lives of the people in Maruki's world are made less fulfilling because they have lost their ambitions.
I don't know what possessed me to write this but I think it was a good decision lol
Maybe having less ambition is a good thing if it brings more color into your everyday life
@@r4tl_But less ambition makes you weaker, and stunts your growth as an individual person.
No matter what angle you look at this ending with, it’s always the same.
And that’s the underlying issues that are extremely prominent behind the scenes.
Akechi and [Protagonist name] just stare at us at the end, like: Yeah, you. I know you did it, you chose this.
"Man, this is weird.. all this aint feelin real to me just yet, like were in a dream yknow?"
"I wouldnt mind that."
These are some lines taken from p5's true ending......
I wonder if this ending is based off of that line.... Could be possible
wait. On the very ending? Because morgana said something that he can't fly and the protagonist saw that it's because of the crystal star.
No "bad ending" in any other game has ever made me feel so conflicted. Not only are the PT's leading completely happy lives, in this reality Saki, Shinjiro, Chidori, Mitsuru's dad, Yukari's dad, and even Door-kun are probably alive too.
Akihiko's sister is probably alive in this world too.
OH FRICK I DIDNT EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT AAAAAAAAA
I mean chidori is alive in P3P (idk about fes) if you get junpei to go visit her enough times.
Actually Chidori is alive even in the real reality. It’s confirmed in arena ultimax that the ending where she gets revived is canon.
Did Maruki's reality take over the entire world or just Shibuya?
This ending actually made me cry, first time a videogame made me do that. I really wasn't expecting such an incredibly conflicting moral question when starting "post game"
The sound of chains when you accept the alternate reality hits hard. The fact the credits are on their side showing how things are off is great, too.
The credits being slanted are an interesting detail and really solidify how off this ending feels to me.
Not to mention about the distorted version of Maruki's theme.
@@Kagetora- This is a better version wym
@@Miunim distorted doesn’t mean worse
@@fishfood8711 I didn't think he meant like "bad song" type of worse. I probably should've worded that better
That's what got my attention too. It's so creepy
This is literally just nihilism. It's a creative bad ending however, gotta applaud them.
i like how none of the endings, strictly speaking, are "bad" since what maruki is doing isn't really evil.
Why nihilism?
@@alexhawryczszuk7359 because if you choose the bad ending you live in world where everyone is happy but your choices cease to matter.
@@pforgottonsoul i am honestly strugling to see why this ending is bad
@@alexhawryczszuk7359 well it kinda comes down to the point of view, basically in this ending you are trading free will for happiness.
Nooo my hundreds of hours of character development
I love how the final credits are slanted in this ending. Gives you the feeling that this is wrong, it’s not the way it’s supposed to be. Subtle but effective
What actually hurt me the most in the "true" ending is how Sumire just walks past me in the last scene even though we said I love you to each other. now THAT was a bad ending!
Lol exactly. I know the developers can't animate a different ending based whether or not you romanced Sumire (Even though they probably could tbh) . But for fuck sake it's like they never even met. "Keep your head up, that's what you told me" Bitch, I just reserved a fancy restaurant for you and bought you flowers XD. It was intended though, the true ending was supposed to symbolise a bittersweet resolve, the way she said that was supposed to be 'moving' I guess you could put it. Still dumb though.
Eh I liked it, like maybe she just didn’t want to say goodbye to not jinx or anything. Ya know superstitions and stuff I mean she wouldn’t want anything to happen since well Kasumi. Or maybe I’m overthinking it lol
Charmander 8bit it just means she didn’t feel the need to say goodbye. After all, to me it is strongly implied they keep in touch afterwards, and hang out too specially if you dated.
Yeah I feel like the ending could of been done a bit better, I'd even argue that the OG ending was better. I just wish kasumi was given a bit more attention in the game
Or you can just romance Makoto, what? I can have a different "best girl", however I will say this I prefer vanilla P5's true ending over this Royals true ending. Mainly because it had the group have one last journey together as to oppose this ones where you just get a taxi with Maruki while your friends play distraction. As for this bad ending honestly the only problem I have with this one is Human Morganna, its strangely unsettling for me, maybe it's his voice, maybe it's the fact that he looks exactly like Akira without the curly hair, or maybe it's the fact that this implies a canonization of MorgannaxAnn shipping in this alternative reality which I'm not going to lie I hate, cause dammit Ryuji deserves love and him and Ann have the best chemistry between party members not counting Akira. Anyways that got way more out of my original point than I intended oops 😅 either way I feel like Royal added just enough to make the endings more symbolic and reaffirming the ideals of the game but the pay off is admittedly less satisfying which I suppose fits the theme but dammit ATLUS can you give your game characters actually happy endings for once? Please!?!
Edit: Also I know this comment doesn't fit the thread I just had to say that and what was meant to be a joke comment went a bit out of my control, sorry
This ending is so on point with the bad ending from Persona 3; both of them look innocuous unless you know the context of which they are set in and their thematic implications. *And make no mistake about it, this is a really, REALLY bad ending.*
The fact that Mementos requests still occur in this world shows you that it is truly impossible to make everyone truly happy at all times. Those who are unhappy now lack the option of doing something about it, as their fate is essentially predetermined, steered in the direction that "maximizes the happiness of society". Those who do benefit will not be willing to discover new people, new places, or new experiences, since comfort breeds stagnation, and stagnation prevents people from growing as individuals. This is not only a world in stasis, but one devoid of the hope of being freed from it.
The mementos requests thing is such a good point and one that I hadn’t considered consciously. Subconsciously though I think they were a big part of why I went for the true ending.
Actually, the requests are just because his world is just halfway rolling in. If he gets his way, those people will be truly happy and it's STILL not good. Remember the new quests are just people going into extremes because of depression.
The only reason the mementos requests kept coming was because Maruki hadn’t fully spread his influence. He can only do it one person at a time even when he has control over mementos do it would obviously take a huge amount of time to end ALL suffering but it definitely would be possible
It’s so picture perfect it made me sick...as much as there were things I wished were true about this ending, it completely throws persona’s message out the window. It’s just like that ending that happens when you except evil Igor’s offer in the original...what a “selfish child” you would have to be to choose this
I love how it’s so happy yet bleak. It’s heartwarming but heartbreaking and disturbing. Nothing can be this happy, that’s life and part of that is accepting that. P3, P4, and all of the first P5 taught us this. Also this would by in large free Minato but at what cost? Maruki forgot something that all the teams (S.E.E.S/SO, IT, and PT) before and hopefully after him have/will learn. That life isn’t always fair or gonna be ideal. But it’s those bad experiences that we are supposed to learn from that make us the people we are. Otherwise we are no better than the things that put us down. You’re supposed to rise above the grain. Not succumb to it and hide in a fake reality. That’s no better than succumbing to pure insanity. And Maruki failed to see it that way.
I'm happy that everyone is happy and leading a perfect life but wow can you constantly feel a eerie undertone throughout the whole ending. Brilliant.
Undertone? Maruki is literally taking a picture of them while smirking.
You can’t hide from the truth no matter how sad or scary it is.
That’s been the message in 3, 4, and 5.
3. Don’t take the easy way out. The Answer: he’s gonna and you have to move on.
4. Your anger doesn’t make you right, don’t act hastily just to sate your revenge. Believing one person just because you don’t want them to be bad won’t help anyone.
5 : Despite how much the truth hurts and how much you want to deny it you can’t. You have to stand up to the truth and carve out your own path through it.
69. who tf designed the shadows, they look like if my nans nan fused with a toddler, and then just scribbled faces.
Funny how part 5 completely contradicts part 4.
@@Trolly5 Well his interpretation of Part 4 contradicts Persona 5 completely, because in Persona 5 the characters are using their abilities for revenge.
Probably the hardest part of all of this is not only the fact Maruki created this world for everyone but himself but also the fact that because his intentions are good, you simply just don’t want to tell him no
The Ideal and the Real. The name of the song is pure genius. The Ideal ending, being the Bad Ending, is ideal for the Phantom Thieves. The Real ending being the one and only True Ending, where reality shifts to the events of the original game, to "what should've happened." I love it but at the same time the Ideal ending is bittersweet because they settled and didn't grow as people like they did in the Real ending
everybody good
til Sojiro asks Joker to stay
That's what makes it perfect.
WAY too perfect i must say...
I see people people saying that this is actually the best ending because it's not really a fake reality, just a different "better" one, but what I don't think people understand is that this reality erases all conflict by Maruki's rather twisted values. While not necessarily wrong, we can see in his palace that he believes not even trying is better than trying and succeeding if the path to your success was even a little painful, for example, we all waited like a year to be able to get our hand on Royal, and even had to cope with it being out on japan like 6 months before it came to the west, I'm sure at some point we felt anxious or inpacient due to the wait, right? Well if it was in Maruki's reality he would just make you not have been interested in the game at all, that way you don't suffer, it doesn't matter if you really wanted to play it, the new you won't, with this example sure it's just a game, but try to apply this logic to bigger problems in your life and tell me: will the new you even be you? Or will it be a different person in your body?
This is a question the game poses like once, they talk about their teacher that was usually grumpy having turned into a completely different type of person, is that still him? I don't think so.
While this reality may seem perfect, people don't have the free will to choose their own paths anymore, and in some cases they don't have the freedom to choose who they are at all
Funa ! Brilliant comment
I don’t think so my guy. His motive is not just to end suffering and boost happiness. If it wasn’t then he wouldn’t have brought back Wakaba. Futaba is no longer suffering from her death so why would there be any point to bringing her back? It would only be to boost happiness. So by that logic he would just make it so that the game would come out much earlier than the Japanese release in all parts of the world
@@gerdderd8037 What are you talking about? Maruki is overcorrecting everything, he is eliminating the origin of people's suffering.
Futaba has suffered and still suffers time from time, the same with Soijoro. Futaba's suffering isn't severe to the point where she can't go on and live life.
But there are points where she's anxious where it's a bit hard. We as humans still experience that from time to time.
Maruki's goal was to create paradise a world free of those feelings.
An ideal happiness for everyone
You would have been incapable of having any reflections or a troublesome past.
Because he would have removed that from ever happening
Also Wakaba is still a person and she too has suffered.
Wouldn't she have liked to be alive to be with her daughter?
It's ideal that she lives as well.
Remember when the gang confirmed if the people brought back was real or not? Because they would be killing them basically?
I think the truly messed up part was using people's cognition to raise the dead
No one who goes through a hardship simply is better at the end.
We're much more complex than that.
MindsTouchWorlds The only time Futaba was visibly sad about her Mother’s death AFTER she joined the Phantoms Thieves was when she came back to life and then suddenly disappeared again. And in regular P5 she is never visibly sad in the same time frame at all.
@@gerdderd8037 I have both P5 and P5R, I only completed P5R so I'm going with that knowledge, now this is me talking about before the new semester and I'm not counting the extra phone calls.
the point I'm making is, Yes she is still sad about losing her mother and yes she would love to her back.
Futaba's entire life and perception was shaped from her losing her mom.
The change of heart made was what allowed herself to see the truth and not blame herself for mothers death.
It didn't fix everything.
Her reason for joining the phantom thieves to begin with was to find out what happened to her mom.
From there on she's struggling with anxiety and wanting to bond more with Soijoro.
She still has to put in the work on fixing her life, that pain she felt is NOT absent only more manageable.
Throughout her confidant rank, she makes mentions of her mom, things she do to make her happy.
The idea of the list she put together to overcome fears.
Futaba also realizes that she has to live for herself as well.
You can still be sad and miss someone without screaming or crying the reason why you feel that way.
Emotions and understanding does not need to spelled out to real or felt.
Here's an Example, not part of the game but just so you can understand how emotions can be conveyed through dialogue without spelling it out for you.
I'm sad I miss my mother very much I wish she would come back.
This reminds me of the time my mother and I would do arts and crafts together. We had so much fun.
Pain does not need to be seen for it to be real.
What about high functioning depression?
What about.. now I feel I'm delving too far in to this.
Unfortunately in real world not everyone will tell you what's on their mind
Now to finally bring Royal into the mix.
Maruki's reality was created with everyone's ideals in mind.
So Futaba got her mom back thus eliminating that entire emotional journey she had to go through.
Now if you want me to go and gather every single dialogue of Futaba's line and do a breakdown with you. I'm going to need a bit more time.
Also Futaba was pretty pissed with Shido so theres one mention of visible proof.
Please also remember Futaba's mom was gone for a while, the other members who lost family was a bit more recent for them and handled differently by them.
Time can mend but it won't ultimately heal unless you make the change in yourself.
I can't really put it into words but there's just something really unsettling about the look in both Akechi's and Joker's eyes at the ending photograph as they stare at you. It's both gentle and eerie at the same time.
9:44 Rest In Peace Billy Kametz