Who says they would need to be a majority? There's a small minority of different groups controlling everything in this country and other nations around the west. The question isn't one of whether they become a majority. The question that should be posed to the existing majority is - Will you put up with it? And so far, I haven't seen a pushback from the majority over poverty causing climate change policy and green energy, wokeism, political correctness on steroids, assault on freedom of speech, bodily autonomy, medical freedom, all of these things and more are slowly being eroded, simply because the majority take it all for granted.
@@vladimirsak That's not enough. There's millions of people in this country who just idly stand by and don't say a word about any of it. We've been conditioned over the course of so many years, to believe in growing government authority and expanding regulatory interference in our lives, on every level. You'd think the majority of people would be up in arms about it, but most aren't because they're too stupid, too ignorant, too lazy and too comfortable to actually give a shit.
I think Ed did well here. He made the point that basically everyone thinks we shouldn’t harm animals for unnecessary reasons, they just don’t realise or haven’t considered that basically all of the reasons we harm animals are unnecessary. Scrolled through the comments section and of course it’s a load of people not engaging with his arguments. Classic.
A Bolt To The Back Of The Head "A Pretty Painless Way To Go" I'm guessing he's talking from experience then ...or he'll be happy to prove his point that it is indeed "Painless".
@@jamesjohnson2394 They don't lie in pain, the shock incapacitates their nervous system they don't feel anything because they can't, go and get taserered, once the shock is over youre not in pain, you cant move either, in some instances you'll be so numb and out of it youll lose control of your bladder,
Brilliant debate. I watched some undercover videos of what goes on in abattoirs and factory farms a few years back, what I saw was enough to convince me that my meat eating days were over.
Terrible debate. They couldn't have gotten anyone worse to debate for the meat eating side. There are many important reasons why we should be eating meat and all he had to say was "well I want to eat animals because I'm better than them" (paraphrasing). Check out Alan Savoury, Paul Mason, Shawn Baker. The world and humans are completely fuc**d if everyone or the majority of us go plant based.
Because you are ignorant and uneducated and consuming propoganda and not content of actual traditional non factory farmed animals that ed attacks and endangers
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Based on these arguments, veganism makes a lot more sense. I don't know who Chris is but he doesn't appear to be able to think anything through with any logic.
Chris also kept saying “I’ll never see the chicken the same as a human” when clearly Ed made the point that we don’t have to be the same to deserve moral value above the sensory pleasure others seek.
Do you know how risky it would be to rely on a plant based diet? Have you ever grown veg? I have and still do, I had an entire crop of potatos fail last year thanks to disease, unlike with animals you cant spot disease until it's time to harvest. Do you know how much gas, gas eco warriors say we need to cut down on, is emitted from growing veg? its not as clean people think. As for the idea animals shouldn't be eaten, you gunna go and tell bears to stop eating chickens too, they don't just do it our of need they're built to eat those things not veg? Its the circle of life, what happens if we stop eating meat? How do we control populations of animals so cows don't end up over breeding? That would be bad for the environment. These sorts of do gooder arguements are the same sort of arguments that lead to the net zero drive, look how well that's working out now.
@@justroberto5052 So should a chicken not eat a worm? It doesn't need to eat it, it does it for pleasure, what's the difference? There's no victim to music apparently....Keisha would argue that's not the case, so would the families who have lost musicians to drugs that seem to plague the music industry.
@@libertasdemocratiam887 my man, your first argument has been so well explored and documented by so many different sources that just a quick google search will lead you to the peer reviewed estudies. Nobody is saying that producing vegs is clean or free from suffering, but it's a ton of times cleaner and with least suffering than producing meat. And yes, potatoes can die mysteriously one day, but it's disingenuous to claim that as a reason to rely more on meat. Most of the world already relies on potatoes, and corn and starchy vegetables to survive since it has been the MOST reliable food source throughout our existence. Yeah, not all people can switch to an only plant diet, but Ed's argument is that if we can do it, then we should do it
@@libertasdemocratiam887 chickens don’t have moral agency, just like adults with learning disabilities who bite and scratch me at work, we don’t lock them up for assault because they lack capacity to understand moral dilemmas.
I imagine any carnists watching feel incredibly let down by Christopher. He didn't even try to hide the fact that he doesn't care about animal suffering to anything other than dogs and cats.
It wasn't fair at all. I'm vegan, but there are omnivores who have knowledge are genuinely interested in discussing this. Chris was not one of those. I felt sorry for him. He looked stupid and I doubt he is.
If you search his name on GB news he‘ll turn up to talk about any subject whatsoever. They must struggle to get experts on be it presumably due to money or credibility.
Im not vegan but Ed really gave a lot of food for thought. Its been made normal to think that its ok for the animals we eat to suffer and that the ones we want as pets are to be loved. It does jar with me.
@@milenaantoska233 my cattle have a better life than me. All the food they can eat , if they get sick for any reason I ring the vet and they are here within the hour. You try seeing a doctor as quick as that. this suffering argument is nonsense.
@@sandman8993 sounds like the notion is “bad for business” in your case :) all the best though! Legend has it some cattle farmers went vegan and created a sanctuary for cows 🐄 💕 touch wood my healthy lifestyle has kept the doctor away for a long time 😉
They folks will never become a majority, too many of us like meat, it’s a free democratic country, it’s all about choice, meat has been eaten for thousands of years
Just because we have done something do thousands of years doesn't mean we need to keep doing it. It is all about choice and that means that any society including a democracy if enough people want to stop the suffering of animals then it could happen. Like we have done with other things like slavery and women's rights. Not comparing them just making the point that if there is a demand for social change it will happen.
They don't need to become a majority. The majority of the country isn't woke, yet look what's happened to our entertainment industry. The majority of the country aren't calling for green energy and zero emissions, that cause price hikes and lead to poverty, yet here we are. A small percentage of people get to decide what's best for us as a collective. There's your "free democratic country."
What? Like breathing? We've done that for thousands of years. Should we stop that too? We are made to meat eat. This cry for social change is more politics than health based.
A really reasonable and at some times quite persuasive debate. However I can't help but think if the subject of Halal slaughter could be brought into the mix. Animals who are slaughtered by Halal methods do undergo needless suffering, in the name of religion. That should definitely be banned. But of course, Islamophobic, blah blah.
So why don't I see you advocating for the closing down of the Catholic Church ? Are you more concerned with the fate of cows than that of children? Or, like you said, are you just an Islamaphobe?
Halal methods are much more humane in terms on animal raising and slaughter. Studies have found halal slaughter to be much less painful to animals than using bolt guns
Halal is vicious and disgusting. Vegans are against it. but, we do treat animals equally bad in the UK through non-religious practice. Look at the footage of UK practices Phil. Its disgusting.
Hey, how can you tell if someone enjoys violently abusing and exploiting the bodies of other sentient creatures? Don't worry,..... they'll let you know. = )
You realise currently there are more cows than ever? Because the demand for meat is increasing There wouldn’t be so many cows if not for the meat industry
Thank YOU for sharing the interview. The interviewer was very fair to both sides. Some people really think (and say) the earth is flat. Some people really think (and say) "a lot of animals get a better death than human beings do". Some people really are fixed forever in their traditional ways and they are just not open to accepting new facts (i.e. a plant-based diet is much better for our health, environment and mind). Having said that, I'm pretty sure and hopeful that Ed managed to change quite a few (currently non-vegan) open-mined viewers who watched the interview.
but thankfully not enough of us to spell out speciecide to the cows and sheep and pigs who live at the moment only because they make money. what would happen say a nicola sturgeon type fascist forced us to be vegan and the humanely butchered millions of livestock or does ed have a "moral" about that or is he just moraly bankrupt in a minority whining about how he is moraly superior to the majority of the meat eating human race whilst giving no arguement or discourse on what we should do with the livestock
lol exactly, Crocodiles are usually surrounded by freshwater algae they could consume abundantly but would rather wait hours and sometimes days for a stray Antelope to wander in.
@@PeaceDweller sorry to point out the obvious, but anatomically we are very different from a crocodile, our teeth for instance are more similar to that of a horse. Additionally, our intestines are a great deal longer compared to natural carnivores. Most carnivorous animals have short intestines so dead flesh doesn’t putrify by sitting around for a long time.
@@PeaceDweller We are and they do but it doesn't make up nearly the same proportion of their diet as the average human's. Also the fact that another species of ape does something isn't exactly solid grounds for an argument that we should do it too
@@la8920 Yes indeed he's the top act he'll be on straight after Mr. Smug Sanctimonious Bastard, who unfortunately wouldn't know funny if it bit him on the arse!
That is what the vegan said. Its just about discussing this topic which is often avoided because omnivores are such sensitive snowflakes. How dare other people decide not to eat meat and want to talk about why.
Yeah, we're just not going to pretend that it's alright for you to violently exploit the bodies of other sentient creatures for your own gratification. = )
No is the simple answer, there are many studies that attribute mankind becoming omnivorous with the explosion in our advancement in comparison with other animals.
@@tonypetts6663 Then why is there no difference in intellegence between vegeterians and meat eaters? Just because two things happen around the same time does not mean they are related.
@@kevinkelly2162 because vegan is a modern phenomenon ....if we were all veggos we would still be cavemen...meat eating gave us the ability to consume a lot of protein quickly so we could do other stuff ,like becoming civilised,...herbivores do little but graze all day ,the carnivore can do what he likes ,'cause he gets his energy so much quicker
@@kevinkelly2162 The change to omnivore happened many millennia ago, when survival and reproduction were the main goals of existence. It took many more millennia to develop into the complex societies that exist now that started to develop ideas such as vegetarianism and veganism based on cultural/religious/ethical reasoning. The ancestors of all these groups come from the same background, the omnivorous homosapien, and have only existed for a relatively short period of our time here on earth. Yes they may have been times when survival precluded meat from the diet due to local issues but once introduced, meat was used wherever possible.
I concur - It's more difficult to get a good spread of the essential amino acids from non-animal sources, i.e. meat, eggs, and dairy are the best. There's lots of areas that are able to be grazed by animals, but can't have human-edible crops grown on properly - if most of the water they consume is rainwater, and most of the food they consume is grass, then that's stuff we can't use ourselves converted into human-edible produce.
@@ekksoku more difficult? Well for me it’s been easier and cheaper to eat legumes, pulses and beans instead of flesh. Cooks faster, no cholesterol or saturated fat and significantly cheaper. No problem getting protein, you must be over 35 using arguments like that shows a lack of nutrition understanding. The academy of nutrition and dietetics, British dietetics association and American dietetics association all state that plants based diets are nutritionally adequate for all stages of human life, provide decrease risk for dietary diseases and are environmentally more sustainable.
Balanced diets don’t have to contain animal products. When you say balanced, that means a balance of nutrients, which can be done without slitting an animals throat, Ian you middle aged dingbat.
@@justroberto5052 rare steak, 2-3 minutes each side - bosh. Also yes - you can get an adequate diet from those things - but it's more effort to analyse the essential amino acid spread across them - that is if you're trying to maximize your macros for muscle gains with the least amount of time on your hands around your busy schedule. "you must be over 35 using arguments like that shows a lack of nutrition understanding." I bet you don't even know the amino acid content of any of those foods, nor are you balancing them to get the optimal intake required for muscle growth and repair. If all you're trying to do is survive, you can survive being malnourished for years. If you're trying to thrive, grow muscle mass, and have optimal recovery from 6 days of weight lifting a week - that is either very expensive to do (i.e. vegan non-whey protein), or very time intensive to do the research on all of the foods needed to be consumed to hit all of those macros as a vegan. take your arrogant "lack of nutritional understanding" and be malnourished somewhere else. Side note: I was Vegetarian for 15 years.
Sorry but it’s not a balanced diet. People need meat. When my daughter went vegetarian for 8 years she had multiple health issues and her hair stopped growing. When she ate a balanced diet again she was well. For some people vegetarianism works well and good for them. For many it doesn’t. Personal choice for all.
Yeah I know right! she didn’t need to be unhealthy or malnourished for so long. So many others I know of too with auto immune issues different cancers etc went through the same prolonged health hardships when deviating from the diet we were literally made to consume since evolution.Thankfully on her own terms and in her own time, with personal choice the right health choices for her were arrived at.
@@firequeen7872 I find it's best to follow the science and not anecdotal reports. Just curious, would you be willing to slice the throat of a cow, sheep or pig and watch as it bleeds to death?
I will never give up meat and tonight I'm having a nice juicy steak with blood running out of it, so if this vegan activist would like to join me for dinner he's more than welcome.
Why does everybody need to force their preferences on everybody else these days? Young man, your evolution owes much to meat...and you might want to take notice that other creatures are a blend of herbivores, carnivores and omnivores. You do you....and let the rest of us do us.
@@catmeatlover99 You are correct that the young man didn't suggest forcing.....the title of the video asks if vegans could ban meat if they became the majority. He does pass judgement, though, on those who do eat meat. Believes that veganism is a "moral philosophy ". I do find it interesting that it is rarely acknowledged by vegans that plants are also living things....
@@bbrine3294 Well that's because veganism is a question of morality, is it justifiable to exploit and kill other SENTIENT beings for sensory pleasure? I don't wish to be rude but the question of plants is always bought up in vegan circles, and the answer is simply, plants are alive but they are not sentient. They do not have the ability to think, feel happiness, feel sad, to have their own wants and needs, unlike animals which do. My question to you, if I was to kick a cat and then kick a carrot, how would this make you feel? I'd like to hope you would be disgusted at me kicking the cat, the carrot tho, not so much?
I do not mind Vegans, personal choice, what is incredibly dangerous if a road to effectively presumptively place veganism as the primary or even only choice
@@milenaantoska233 Every human being is unique, some people go very well on aVegan diet. Others though it is like self flagellation, why are they punishing themselves like in a cult. Veganism seems to be an ID as opposed just another diet. Also why are they so wedded to total veganism, I grow many of my own veg, I love veg, but why are the so absolutely fixed on just eating these set foods it seems quite a limited perspective IMHO. Eating these myriad of animal products is the default for humans. Additionally it disturbs me greatly the Frankenstein crops being grown and sold in stores. Greeny hipppy types would once care greatly about this GMO topic, now vegans and notional greens could not care less or appear not to.
@@milenaantoska233 Saying it's "healthy" is a matter of opinion not a universal fact. The Vegan experiment is a very new one in the West and hasn't been tried and tested for generations and generations. I believe a medical study was even released from Germany a few months back confirming that Vegan diets contribute to weak bone density. Also countries like Japan, South Korea and parts of Southern Europe eat Meat & Fish regularly and have extermely low cases of heart disease & cancer. Also, Human beings have survived & thrived on an Omnivorous diet since the beginning of humanity itself. To suggest we should now all become Vegans is a dangerous walk into the unknown.
Yes its hard eating burritos, chilli con carne, pizzas, stuffed potatoes, fresh fruit and vegetables, smoothies, and basically every normal item of food just without the animal products. So much suffering.
Well done ED. The different between human and animals basically is the mind. Human mind is having a broader perspective discernment, kindness, loving, compassion, righteous and wisdom etc. Animals couldn’t owing to its past lifespans negative karma of ignorance when they were humans.
I sort of agree, but sort of disagree. I agree because we need to stop our animal dependence. I disagree because how will blind people navigate the world? Fortunately we can create better technologies to help blind people.
@@goranbreskic4304 I agree, I think someone like Steve Rinella makes a really good defense of eating meat, as I say, I'm an omnivore, I'm a Chef, I eat meat a lot, but I can respect why people go vegan.
I like vegans, couldn't eat a whole one but... If the UK was to become vegan we would have to import more food than ever, I'm sure the lentil eating greens will love that. To put that into context, I live in Wales where 70% of farmland is not suitable for crop production, this is according to the Welsh national farmers Union. Not sure about England and Scotland but I would imagine that at least Scotland would be equal or even worse percentage wise.
False, U.K. can produce all good required for essential nutrition, but even imported plant foods are significantly less impactful than local animal products, travel accounts for 6-10% of emissions. If we can go to the moon or Mars, we can grow fucking plants in the U.K. lol.
What do you think these animals eat? Plants. We already import ridiculous amounts of food to feed livestock. We would actualy import less if we stopped producing meat. We feed 70billion animals a year to eat. Why not just feed 6billion humans instead?
'70% of farmland is not suitable for crop production', which is why we vegans suggest we REPURPOSE THE LAND AND GROW CROPS WE CAN ACTUALLY EAT. If all carnists ate like Americans, we'd need three more Earth-sized planets just to fit the livestock.
@@willsgarden6740 "Will's Garden 5 hours ago Are large fields of grass not a monocrop?" - Not if they are natural "large fields of grass". If you are referring to lawns, then in many cases, yes. There should be less lawns, but lawns generally aren't covering the space that mono-cropping agriculture is, and certainly not the space if we were all to 'go vegan'.
@@j2174 from the reading I have done. Majority of crops are fed to livestock. That's why they are burning the Amazon rainforest right? Keep blaming the vegans if it makes you happy though :)
@@willsgarden6740 " Will's Garden 2 minutes ago @J from the reading I have done. Majority of crops are fed to livestock. That's why they are burning the Amazon rainforest right? Keep blaming the vegans if it makes you happy though :) " - "from the reading [you] have done" - so not that much then? - Riight. From "grass is monocrops" to "you're blaming vegans". Didn't take you long eh? Where did I "blame the vegans" specifically? - Keep pretending you're morally superior or rational, or that you're well-read on the subject in any sort of meaningful way besides in a closed bubble of your ideology. You're no better than the people who say they are going to eat an extra steak to stick it to vegans. At least in their case, they are often joking and attempting to be humourous (even if its generic), whereas your ilk enjoys going around flaunting your alleged superiority, no matter how incorrect you happen to be.
@@j2174 just a tip, no need to copy and paste my comment. It is very easy to see my comment as it's above yours and just makes it harder to read. I took your original comment as having a dig at ed (the vegan in the video). As in your blaming vegans for monocropping or even insinuating that he doesn't know about the issues of monocrops. If that's not what you meant could you please expand on it. It's not a controversial opinion that majority of crops are fed to livestock, many online sources will confirm this for you. Google is your friend. Most the land being burnt in the Amazon rainforest is for soybean that are fed to livestock. I bring this up because your mentioned natural grassland. What percentage of meat is raised on natural grassland you think. By natural I mean land that has not been cleared of forest and native wildlife? I don't think I am better than anyone. But I'm sure the animals that I'm not paying people to slice the throat of think I am a better person than you. You can frame it however you like but I'm here to speak for the millions of animals tortured and killed every year. They cannot speak so humans need to speak for them.
First - meat is a crucial component of a healthy diet, and the more of your calories are made up of meat the healthier you tend to be. Second - I notice those outraged by the killing of animals always seem to be mad keen on abortion.
Are our mainstream vegetables and fruits real???...by that I mean the natural ones not the veggies that were grown with man made fertilizers, man made herbicides, manmade pesticides and the Franken veggies and fruits. Also the clearing of trees for the land and slaughter of animals that eat the crops. These new to our biological systems are pro inflammatory and do not provide complete nutrition. The way our protein is now raised for commercial use is out of hand as well, take a perfectly healthy animal nutrient wise then raise it with high omega 6 fat producing food... Using a cookie cutter approach for anything human has been proven so wrong on so many levels. The vegan activists will have to try and pry my healthy meat and fat out of my dead disease free hands before I give it up. A human can thrive on nose to tail beef, not so much with veggies alone.
The GMO crops etc are actually fed to livestock. Havent these animals also been breed and genetically manipulated to suit humans needs. Chickens being a great example, they do not exist in the wild. It seems to me that those who eat meat are the ones eating the Franken foods as you put it.
@@willsgarden6740 They are called junglefowl and are truly wild, having never been domesticated or tended to by humans. There are some cases of domesticated chickens escaping their enclosures and living together in wild flocks, known as feral chickens. These birds have become wild again and will roost in bushes or low tree branches to stay clear of predators. Many farms have wild chickens in the chickens live in the "yard" or in a large open screened enclosure that slowly moves along the ground providing fresh grubs,seeds and grass. They even clone meat and it is approved. If you eat the protein from the box stores one is going to eat mostly "Franken food" as you put it because some have been given gmo corn. A animal and fish which are able to eat their natural foods in the wild will have all the nutrients needed.
@@willsgarden6740 I cannot have regular dairy, can have goat or Buffalo yoghurt etc.due to intolerance. I live on the west coast and catch eat 98% of wild caught seafood. My protein choices are animals that spend their lives on green natural food that they have to forage for. In the winter months my egg source is ducks. When I do have a successful hunt My groceries are augmented with that. Your sarcasm is noted.
Kevin be like "Yeah, you got some good points, but whatabout whatabout whatabout..." I suggest you watch videos by CosmicSkeptic, a vegan who doesn't shy away from the topic of religious slaughter.
Serious question: what are China and India doing? They are almost 40% of the world's population... there is an estimated 500 million "black citizens" in China to add to the official 1.5 billion they say are their population. plus there's all of Africa too, the middle east, south America, all the ex URSS countries. The western countries account for a fraction of the planet's population. So yes, we go all vegan, what are all the others doing?
@@Assassin99584 And omnivores can meet their nutritional needs from a wide variety of sources, it's in the name. That's why we can be perfectly healthy without animal products.
You realise he was invited onto the show to talk about this. But how dare he talk about topics that you dont like. Where did he say he would force anything upon you? Sensitive snowflake.
Lucky spoon fed type's who can choose when and what to eat. The vast majority of the world's population isn't that lucky and as such they eat whenever and whatever they can. You carry on eating your factory manufactured vegan chemical slop chum,
The vast majority of poor people live on a diet of rice and grains, because that is the cheapest of foods. Once a country starts becoming wealthier, dairy and meat consumption goes up. Though using poor people to deflect on why YOU can't go vegan is pretty poor form.
Who do these people are who think they can tell someone else what they should eat. What about the exploitation of habitats to feed these ignorant people.
@@GamborHibor No, we don't and our teeth can't rip flesh. We use tools and cooking to process the meat so we can eat it. Eating raw meat is more effort than eating a raw tomato, carrot, etc. Sandman 89 might want to ask his dentist about the argument about anything delicious being something we're supposed to eat, though. Sugar, sugar, sugar ...😁
@@GamborHibor That's correct. Molars are only good if you're just eating plant matter that's broad and soft, i.e. leaves. To bite into hard crunchy foods like apples and carrots you need sharp pointy teeth. Teeth also have functions beyond just eating.
I totally agree with you Chris.. Who cares im going to eat a bacon and egg sandwich.. Sad this Ed is given time on main media.. just shows how main media is manipulated to try and push narratives on people.. Save animals eat vegans instead ..lol.. ( joke by the way) Karen.. hhaa
While I don't eat meat which is my choice. If everybody did turn vegan what do we do with all the animals we have? Whose going to look after them until they die of old age are we going to stop them breeding the next generation and what do we do with the bodies when they do die?
Well as you mention, we breed the animals by doing very awful things to which they do no consent. So as it is a supply and demand market. As demand slows, so does supply.
@@bens7183 like Chris Kresser? Just curious do you listen to people like Dr Gregor, Dr McDougall, Dr Joel Kahn, Dr Caldwell Esselystein, Dr klapper etc. Or just listen to one side while ignoring the other? I find it helps to listen to both sides then make an informed decision.
@@willsgarden6740 joe rogan is the counter to the propaganda that’s being thrown out nonstop by the likes of the bbc. They have been banging the vegan drum for years now, so it’s great to get the otherside. Go listen to it yourself.
IDK, could meat eaters make being veganillegal if they are a majority? Can they outlaw whatever they don't like? Who has heard the silent scream of the carrot or the lettuce as it is pulled out by the roots and chopped up? How about we all mind our own business?
Not at all. Plants that could have been food for lots of people are now being fed to animals to feed fewer. We're growing crops to feed animals for meat. It makes no sense.
The ironic part is that majority of crops grown are fed to livestock. Do you know why they keep burning the amazon, for soy bean farms, to feed to beef. But keep blaming the vegans if if makes you feel better.
Emm,..... zero. If more of the world was vegan we would need fewer crops, so there would be less deforestation. Feeding 8 billion humans requires less land than feeding 8 billion humans and 70+ billion farm animals.
@@jamesbyrne3033 And more destruction of forestry for vegans to eat simple as that and everyone has a choice and Shouldn't be made to feel bad for eating what they want.To many wokes do as we say or your evil . Animals kill for food human beings are omnivores and the body needs meat to be really healthy . People want to eat meat it's nothing to do with anyone and they should keep their noses out of others business.Millions of acres of land have been ruined for crops millions of animals displaced but vegans don't look at that ,only their selfish ways.
@@paulAnthony7236 The soya crops are being grown to feed farm animals Paul. More vegans means fewer farm animals which means fewer crops. You should feel bad about a choice that violently exploits the body of another sentient creature. = )
The problem is that many non essentials we have even highly processed vegan foods damage the environment through polution. All life is important even plant life.Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life.he suffered as the lamb of God to take away the sins of the world .the problem is much deeper.
Animals don't have rights to life. Just ask a lion, or a bird, or a fish, or a lizard, or a snake, or a cat, or a dog, or an alligator, or a hippo, or an elephant etc etc etc. Rights are granted in law by humans, Ed seems like a nice boy but not terribly informed about what rights are and were they actually come from. In fact humans don't even have a right to life, those of you who believe this nonsense must have missed the current controversy unfolding in the Ukraine. In Australia the Police can kill you "in the line of duty" and not a lot gets done. So much to a human right to life. A pointless discussion run by the over privileged and over indulged.
I wonder where the Innuit would grow their fruit and vegetables in the Artic and where would remote Aftican tribes do the same in scorching 40-50 degree heat with very little water available.
no need to wonder, you're not an inuit or in a remote african tribe, you live in a nice comfy country with an abundance of plant based food. though, if you are concerned about your water consumption, perhaps try cutting down on your meat, considering the amount of water used to raise cattle vs water used for crops
Do any of these people know what would happen if people stopped eating meat we would not be able to produce fertiliser that is not natural to grow crops all the farm animals would be extinct nearly overnight as there would be no point to keeping them and as we all know crops failure is quite high in some part's of the of the planet one failure could result in millions of lives a happy medium is the best we can opt for.
Yeah but we also know that this scenario is just not going to happen it will be a gradual change. There will be fewer and fewer animals over years. The same goes for fertilisers, there already are plant based ones and they’ll get better and more effective over time.
We should go over to mixed use cattle , both milk and meat use the skin for leather. With sheep we need to wearing more wool. Most synthetic materials use plastics in them and many are non recyclable or bio degradable. There was a time where it was said that the only part of a pig you didn't use was it's squeak. Plus of course so much of our land in the UK is only usable for livestock.
The world is created with hierarchy. As Al Murray said "its business relationship, I'm hungry and the cow is made of beef. It's not personal". The moral high ground is to go with the natural hierarchical model.
@@gazrygames2481 there is a natural order. Nature is not about getting food from the freezer or simply grazing a field. We are omnivore with canine teeth, some can fight against nature but others will go with nature. Obviously this means applying the best care for the cattle throughout their lives. The modern food industry is broken and evil but old school organic is the way to ensure quality and moderate consumption.
@@hano552 why does it mean ‘providing the best care for the cattle’ that’s also against nature? Nature is cruel, bite-into-their-throat and let them bleed out in pain, break their legs, make them run in fear. Using your logic of ‘it happens in nature so it’s ok for us to do it’ I can just pin an animal down and start eating it while it’s alive. Come on, be consistent. You can’t use nature to justify eating animals in one sense then argue against what happens in another. The natural hierarchy in animals is to subjugate the weak, this even means our own species. Lions have been known to eat their own young, animals rape eachother, humans have been killing eachother in nature for millennia. These are all ‘natural’. Using your logic, all of these actions are ok for humans to do as ‘the moral high ground is to go with the natural hierarchical model.’
@@gazrygames2481 humans are permitted to eat other (already dead) humans under exceptional circumstances. There are exceptions at the outer limits. But generally, we are at the top of the hierarchy. So we look after the cattle, we kill them with minimal pain and we eat them. Also humans are not an animal but a special creation. Certain animals and plants are created for our consumption. Other animals are prohibited for humans. I wouldn't worry too much about this topic as the lease on mankinds time on earth expires around or just before 2100. Plus there is a nuclear war predicted very soon - all the prophecies that preceed this have come to pass. So there are bigger concerns heading our way as we rapidly head from 8 billion to zero in short space of time.
Humans are omnivores. It's OK if individuals want to make food choices for themselves, but that won't change our basic biology. No group should tell another what to eat.
So because we can eat meat, does mean we should. Humans can kill other humans, that doesnt make it right. If you can live a life doing things simply because you can. Well that is pretty messed up.
does an unfertilised egg involve a victim? and if so who is it? then is the argument the means of its harvest as opposed to it being eaten at all? and would it be wasteful if it wasnt eaten or if left would it be eaten by something else and thus our fault for not removing it, i could go on ;-)
What happens to all the male chicks in the egg industry. There are plenty of videos on youtube that will show you. I bet your too afraid to watch them though.
@@willsgarden6740 always one, for clarity my answer was facetious, not sure how you get either a male or female chic from the unfertilised egg I initially referred to. Anyway got go, KFC calling :-)
Have to Say. I like the idea of vegans and vegetarians. Wouldn't bother me, if i ate in this way. As, long as i am Healthy. As, of me typing this message, at this moment in time. 20.47pm on the 13/03/2022 I, think, i will find, i will eat, anything, to keep me strong and healthy. Things are Going To Change. Dramatically. Keep Strong, Eat Well. 💭🤺
People don’t realise if 60% of the population went fully vegan the soil would only have 12 years lifespan in the uk . It’s currently 95 -100 years left
No not a chance will I do what others say I am feed up with what we can eat or what we can't do or we say this country has 'realy lost its own peole and it will never be back.
No one's telling you what to do, we're just not going to pretend that it's alright for you to violently abuse and exploit the bodies of other sentient creatures for your own gratification. = )
Who says they would need to be a majority? There's a small minority of different groups controlling everything in this country and other nations around the west. The question isn't one of whether they become a majority. The question that should be posed to the existing majority is - Will you put up with it?
And so far, I haven't seen a pushback from the majority over poverty causing climate change policy and green energy, wokeism, political correctness on steroids, assault on freedom of speech, bodily autonomy, medical freedom, all of these things and more are slowly being eroded, simply because the majority take it all for granted.
Yeah the vegans are already controlling a disproportionate space.
Very well said Donna 👏👍
There are push back groups. "Together" for example in UK.
@@vladimirsak
That's not enough.
There's millions of people in this country who just idly stand by and don't say a word about any of it. We've been conditioned over the course of so many years, to believe in growing government authority and expanding regulatory interference in our lives, on every level.
You'd think the majority of people would be up in arms about it, but most aren't because they're too stupid, too ignorant, too lazy and too comfortable to actually give a shit.
Oi vay
I think Ed did well here. He made the point that basically everyone thinks we shouldn’t harm animals for unnecessary reasons, they just don’t realise or haven’t considered that basically all of the reasons we harm animals are unnecessary. Scrolled through the comments section and of course it’s a load of people not engaging with his arguments. Classic.
Hypocrite
@@Assassin99584 you need to go shower it’s been 9 months
@JustRoberto
Not a particularly intelligent thing to say. You may not agree but that's no reason for insults, that's what unintelligent people do.
@@reverendrocksteady whatever you say
@@reverendrocksteady how is he a hypocrite? You can explain to me intelligently and I’ll give an intelligent response.
Thanks Ed, if meat becomes illegal and we are forced to be a vegan, I know exactly who to look for in the streets.
A Bolt To The Back Of The Head "A Pretty Painless Way To Go" I'm guessing he's talking from experience then ...or he'll be happy to prove his point that it is indeed "Painless".
It doesn't knock them out they die in agony for us to eat steak. Disgusting.
@@jamesjohnson2394 They don't lie in pain, the shock incapacitates their nervous system they don't feel anything because they can't, go and get taserered, once the shock is over youre not in pain, you cant move either, in some instances you'll be so numb and out of it youll lose control of your bladder,
@@jamesjohnson2394 Also seeing as I've asked others I've responded too, have you ever actually grown veg and fruit?
Who is this guy "on the other side" - Chris Snowdon? LOL he didn't even come with any argument. I hope has wasn't paid for this...?
If you search his name and GB news he seems willing to talk about anything and everything. And clearly without and concise argument.
Brilliant debate. I watched some undercover videos of what goes on in abattoirs and factory farms a few years back, what I saw was enough to convince me that my meat eating days were over.
Terrible debate. They couldn't have gotten anyone worse to debate for the meat eating side. There are many important reasons why we should be eating meat and all he had to say was "well I want to eat animals because I'm better than them" (paraphrasing). Check out Alan Savoury, Paul Mason, Shawn Baker. The world and humans are completely fuc**d if everyone or the majority of us go plant based.
Because you are ignorant and uneducated and consuming propoganda and not content of actual traditional non factory farmed animals that ed attacks and endangers
Ed's arguments were very coherent and persuasive
Totally agree - I think he wiped the floor with Chris and I eat meat more or less every day
The arguments for not slitting throats needlessly are pretty solid yeah…
@@connorglaze538 .. Time-Iapse, 6-10 days 🧟♂️🦠🍖🔴..(inside your stomach) ruclips.net/video/KtK3KgSMHe4/видео.html .. 🤮 NO fibre !!! Stays in your body and r🧟♂️ts away 🧟♂️🦠💩🍖🔴... P.H. 4 !!!! PIaque forms eating animaIs and eggs and fish etc 🤮🤮🤮.....
That’s why I’m vegan, Iots of fibre if you eat pIants and fruit and nuts and berries and tubers and Ientils beans etc. P.H. 7-10, no smell. No pIaque anywhere....
until you wonder whats gonna happen to the animals once they dont make money
@@Almighty01Man I can't tell if you're being ironic or moronic
Based on these arguments, veganism makes a lot more sense. I don't know who Chris is but he doesn't appear to be able to think anything through with any logic.
Chris also kept saying “I’ll never see the chicken the same as a human” when clearly Ed made the point that we don’t have to be the same to deserve moral value above the sensory pleasure others seek.
Do you know how risky it would be to rely on a plant based diet? Have you ever grown veg? I have and still do, I had an entire crop of potatos fail last year thanks to disease, unlike with animals you cant spot disease until it's time to harvest. Do you know how much gas, gas eco warriors say we need to cut down on, is emitted from growing veg? its not as clean people think. As for the idea animals shouldn't be eaten, you gunna go and tell bears to stop eating chickens too, they don't just do it our of need they're built to eat those things not veg? Its the circle of life, what happens if we stop eating meat? How do we control populations of animals so cows don't end up over breeding? That would be bad for the environment. These sorts of do gooder arguements are the same sort of arguments that lead to the net zero drive, look how well that's working out now.
@@justroberto5052 So should a chicken not eat a worm? It doesn't need to eat it, it does it for pleasure, what's the difference? There's no victim to music apparently....Keisha would argue that's not the case, so would the families who have lost musicians to drugs that seem to plague the music industry.
@@libertasdemocratiam887 my man, your first argument has been so well explored and documented by so many different sources that just a quick google search will lead you to the peer reviewed estudies. Nobody is saying that producing vegs is clean or free from suffering, but it's a ton of times cleaner and with least suffering than producing meat. And yes, potatoes can die mysteriously one day, but it's disingenuous to claim that as a reason to rely more on meat. Most of the world already relies on potatoes, and corn and starchy vegetables to survive since it has been the MOST reliable food source throughout our existence. Yeah, not all people can switch to an only plant diet, but Ed's argument is that if we can do it, then we should do it
@@libertasdemocratiam887 chickens don’t have moral agency, just like adults with learning disabilities who bite and scratch me at work, we don’t lock them up for assault because they lack capacity to understand moral dilemmas.
I imagine any carnists watching feel incredibly let down by Christopher. He didn't even try to hide the fact that he doesn't care about animal suffering to anything other than dogs and cats.
Carnism tho
It wasn't fair at all. I'm vegan, but there are omnivores who have knowledge are genuinely interested in discussing this. Chris was not one of those. I felt sorry for him. He looked stupid and I doubt he is.
@@goranbreskic4304 arguing against Veganism is a stupid position to hold though.
If you search his name on GB news he‘ll turn up to talk about any subject whatsoever. They must struggle to get experts on be it presumably due to money or credibility.
@@justroberto5052 there’s no arguments in favour of veganism
Im not vegan but Ed really gave a lot of food for thought. Its been made normal to think that its ok for the animals we eat to suffer and that the ones we want as pets are to be loved. It does jar with me.
Please explain how they suffer! Your being brainwashed man!
@@sandman8993 explain how they don’t suffer ? Of course they do
@@milenaantoska233 my cattle have a better life than me. All the food they can eat , if they get sick for any reason I ring the vet and they are here within the hour. You try seeing a doctor as quick as that. this suffering argument is nonsense.
@@sandman8993 Check out some factory farming footage and you'll soon see
@@sandman8993 sounds like the notion is “bad for business” in your case :) all the best though! Legend has it some cattle farmers went vegan and created a sanctuary for cows 🐄 💕 touch wood my healthy lifestyle has kept the doctor away for a long time 😉
They folks will never become a majority, too many of us like meat, it’s a free democratic country, it’s all about choice, meat has been eaten for thousands of years
As a person who is a vegetarian by choice, I agree. I don’t have anything against those who want to eat meat. Freedom of choice will always be King
Just because we have done something do thousands of years doesn't mean we need to keep doing it. It is all about choice and that means that any society including a democracy if enough people want to stop the suffering of animals then it could happen. Like we have done with other things like slavery and women's rights. Not comparing them just making the point that if there is a demand for social change it will happen.
They don't need to become a majority.
The majority of the country isn't woke, yet look what's happened to our entertainment industry.
The majority of the country aren't calling for green energy and zero emissions, that cause price hikes and lead to poverty, yet here we are.
A small percentage of people get to decide what's best for us as a collective. There's your "free democratic country."
What? Like breathing? We've done that for thousands of years. Should we stop that too? We are made to meat eat. This cry for social change is more politics than health based.
They used to say that about slavery too.
A really reasonable and at some times quite persuasive debate. However I can't help but think if the subject of Halal slaughter could be brought into the mix. Animals who are slaughtered by Halal methods do undergo needless suffering, in the name of religion. That should definitely be banned. But of course, Islamophobic, blah blah.
So why don't I see you advocating for the closing down of the Catholic Church ? Are you more concerned with the fate of cows than that of children? Or, like you said, are you just an Islamaphobe?
@@kevinkelly2162 You won't see people talking about the Catholic Church here because the subject at hand is about animal welfare.
Halal methods are much more humane in terms on animal raising and slaughter. Studies have found halal slaughter to be much less painful to animals than using bolt guns
@@circle_line - Which studies exactly? I suspect that these "studies" of yours are mythical.
Halal is vicious and disgusting. Vegans are against it. but, we do treat animals equally bad in the UK through non-religious practice. Look at the footage of UK practices Phil. Its disgusting.
Looks like someone thinks we need to be distracted with a NEW fake problem.
As always, all is distraction.
Ed legs shaking this nervous energy is really common with vegans its down to nutrient deficiency
If they banned meat I would just eat vegans
Hey, how can you tell if someone enjoys violently abusing and exploiting the bodies of other sentient creatures?
Don't worry,..... they'll let you know. = )
@@jamesbyrne3033 triggered vegan cult drone
We have to eat cow.....they release methane...
You realise currently there are more cows than ever? Because the demand for meat is increasing
There wouldn’t be so many cows if not for the meat industry
Thank YOU for sharing the interview. The interviewer was very fair to both sides. Some people really think (and say) the earth is flat. Some people really think (and say) "a lot of animals get a better death than human beings do". Some people really are fixed forever in their traditional ways and they are just not open to accepting new facts (i.e. a plant-based diet is much better for our health, environment and mind). Having said that, I'm pretty sure and hopeful that Ed managed to change quite a few (currently non-vegan) open-mined viewers who watched the interview.
but thankfully not enough of us to spell out speciecide to the cows and sheep and pigs who live at the moment only because they make money. what would happen say a nicola sturgeon type fascist forced us to be vegan and the humanely butchered millions of livestock or does ed have a "moral" about that or is he just moraly bankrupt in a minority whining about how he is moraly superior to the majority of the meat eating human race whilst giving no arguement or discourse on what we should do with the livestock
That animals eat meat out of necessity is like saying they eat food out of necessity.
lol exactly, Crocodiles are usually surrounded by freshwater algae they could consume abundantly but would rather wait hours and sometimes days for a stray Antelope to wander in.
@@PeaceDweller sorry to point out the obvious, but anatomically we are very different from a crocodile, our teeth for instance are more similar to that of a horse. Additionally, our intestines are a great deal longer compared to natural carnivores. Most carnivorous animals have short intestines so dead flesh doesn’t putrify by sitting around for a long time.
@@milenaantoska233 Are we that anatomically different to Chimps and Gorillas who also consume Meat?
@@PeaceDweller gorillas are plant based
@@PeaceDweller We are and they do but it doesn't make up nearly the same proportion of their diet as the average human's. Also the fact that another species of ape does something isn't exactly solid grounds for an argument that we should do it too
We should not ban it.
How do you know if someone's a vegan? . . . . . . . . . . They'll tell you!
Attention everyone, we have Mr comedy in the house today
@@la8920 Yes indeed he's the top act he'll be on straight after Mr. Smug Sanctimonious Bastard, who unfortunately wouldn't know funny if it bit him on the arse!
My mouth my choice. I can eat whatever I want and it’s none of your business. Don’t force your beliefs on other people.
Most people aren't animal lovers. They're pet lovers. VFTA🌱✊
I like to think pet love breeds animal love.
Most pets are animals.
No one is forcing me to stop eating meat.
That is what the vegan said. Its just about discussing this topic which is often avoided because omnivores are such sensitive snowflakes. How dare other people decide not to eat meat and want to talk about why.
Yeah, we're just not going to pretend that it's alright for you to violently exploit the bodies of other sentient creatures for your own gratification. = )
Agree with u paul, vegans are hypocrites them there are vegan for the animals not vegans there see veganism as a diet.
I wonder if mankind would be where we are if our distant forefathers had never become meat eaters. Just a thought.
No is the simple answer, there are many studies that attribute mankind becoming omnivorous with the explosion in our advancement in comparison with other animals.
@@tonypetts6663 Then why is there no difference in intellegence between vegeterians and meat eaters? Just because two things happen around the same time does not mean they are related.
@@kevinkelly2162 because vegan is a modern phenomenon ....if we were all veggos we would still be cavemen...meat eating gave us the ability to consume a lot of protein quickly so we could do other stuff ,like becoming civilised,...herbivores do little but graze all day ,the carnivore can do what he likes ,'cause he gets his energy so much quicker
@@cyrilsquirrel2874 it’s not modern at all, it’s ancient
@@kevinkelly2162 The change to omnivore happened many millennia ago, when survival and reproduction were the main goals of existence.
It took many more millennia to develop into the complex societies that exist now that started to develop ideas such as vegetarianism and veganism based on cultural/religious/ethical reasoning.
The ancestors of all these groups come from the same background, the omnivorous homosapien, and have only existed for a relatively short period of our time here on earth. Yes they may have been times when survival precluded meat from the diet due to local issues but once introduced, meat was used wherever possible.
I like veg...but vegan diet is so utterly boring and a punishment
Why do vegans look like vegans and meat eaters look like Warriors?
Wow I’ve seen some mighty vegan warriors, rumour has it gladiators were mostly vegetarian
@@milenaantoska233 whom are you getting your information from.. Plz don't say Ed.. hhahaa
@@milenaantoska233 Vegans fart a lot
@@milenaantoska233 That rumour has been mixed up through time. The truth is that Gladiators ate the vegetarians 😊
@@hamshanksproductions7161 haha and vegans too I hope 👀 I wouldn’t say no to a vegan or vegetarian gladiator 🤣 consent is key 😉
Ed can do what he likes, but a balanced diet is healthy. I won't preach at you as to what you should eat so don't preach at me.
I concur - It's more difficult to get a good spread of the essential amino acids from non-animal sources, i.e. meat, eggs, and dairy are the best.
There's lots of areas that are able to be grazed by animals, but can't have human-edible crops grown on properly - if most of the water they consume is rainwater, and most of the food they consume is grass, then that's stuff we can't use ourselves converted into human-edible produce.
@@ekksoku more difficult? Well for me it’s been easier and cheaper to eat legumes, pulses and beans instead of flesh. Cooks faster, no cholesterol or saturated fat and significantly cheaper. No problem getting protein, you must be over 35 using arguments like that shows a lack of nutrition understanding.
The academy of nutrition and dietetics, British dietetics association and American dietetics association all state that plants based diets are nutritionally adequate for all stages of human life, provide decrease risk for dietary diseases and are environmentally more sustainable.
Balanced diets don’t have to contain animal products. When you say balanced, that means a balance of nutrients, which can be done without slitting an animals throat, Ian you middle aged dingbat.
@@justroberto5052 rare steak, 2-3 minutes each side - bosh.
Also yes - you can get an adequate diet from those things - but it's more effort to analyse the essential amino acid spread across them - that is if you're trying to maximize your macros for muscle gains with the least amount of time on your hands around your busy schedule.
"you must be over 35 using arguments like that shows a lack of nutrition understanding." I bet you don't even know the amino acid content of any of those foods, nor are you balancing them to get the optimal intake required for muscle growth and repair.
If all you're trying to do is survive, you can survive being malnourished for years.
If you're trying to thrive, grow muscle mass, and have optimal recovery from 6 days of weight lifting a week - that is either very expensive to do (i.e. vegan non-whey protein), or very time intensive to do the research on all of the foods needed to be consumed to hit all of those macros as a vegan.
take your arrogant "lack of nutritional understanding" and be malnourished somewhere else.
Side note: I was Vegetarian for 15 years.
He's not preaching at you, you clicked on a video about veganism, don't act like it's being rammed down your throat
Sorry but it’s not a balanced diet. People need meat. When my daughter went vegetarian for 8 years she had multiple health issues and her hair stopped growing. When she ate a balanced diet again she was well. For some people vegetarianism works well and good for them. For many it doesn’t. Personal choice for all.
If its a personal choice, why is there a victim involved?
Yeah I know right! she didn’t need to be unhealthy or malnourished for so long. So many others I know of too with auto immune issues different cancers etc went through the same prolonged health hardships when deviating from the diet we were literally made to consume since evolution.Thankfully on her own terms and in her own time, with personal choice the right health choices for her were arrived at.
@@firequeen7872 I find it's best to follow the science and not anecdotal reports. Just curious, would you be willing to slice the throat of a cow, sheep or pig and watch as it bleeds to death?
The day that vegans become the majority and ban meat is the day I become a cannibal and start eating vegans.
Veal is a by-product of the dairy industry.
No its not. Veal production is banned in the UK and has been banned since 1990 and in the EU since 2003.
Go have a nice burger you will feel better
Actually, eating meat is healthier than being a vegan or vegetarian.
vegan studies says otherwise says the vegans
@@GamborHibor for a start you will be on average 25mm shorter
More great research from the university of Joe Roagan.
Actually, no it isn't. Certainly not red, fried or processed meat.
I will never give up meat and tonight I'm having a nice juicy steak with blood running out of it, so if this vegan activist would like to join me for dinner he's more than welcome.
It’s not actually blood but other than that I agree with you …
My gosh you're tough, please share more stories of your fragile masculinity.
Edgy! Boomer humor.
@@GlennLSmith masculinity? .. wow, you’ve been brainwashed by the media 😂
I doubt anyone wants to join you
Why does everybody need to force their preferences on everybody else these days? Young man, your evolution owes much to meat...and you might want to take notice that other creatures are a blend of herbivores, carnivores and omnivores. You do you....and let the rest of us do us.
How exactly is offering a differing view to the mainstream "forcing their preferences?". What a snowflake.
@@catmeatlover99 Article is about banning meat....
@@bbrine3294 and where did Ed say he wants to ban meat? Because all i heard was the anti-vegan talking about it.
@@catmeatlover99 You are correct that the young man didn't suggest forcing.....the title of the video asks if vegans could ban meat if they became the majority. He does pass judgement, though, on those who do eat meat. Believes that veganism is a "moral philosophy ". I do find it interesting that it is rarely acknowledged by vegans that plants are also living things....
@@bbrine3294 Well that's because veganism is a question of morality, is it justifiable to exploit and kill other SENTIENT beings for sensory pleasure? I don't wish to be rude but the question of plants is always bought up in vegan circles, and the answer is simply, plants are alive but they are not sentient. They do not have the ability to think, feel happiness, feel sad, to have their own wants and needs, unlike animals which do. My question to you, if I was to kick a cat and then kick a carrot, how would this make you feel? I'd like to hope you would be disgusted at me kicking the cat, the carrot tho, not so much?
Sweaty vegan.
I do not mind Vegans, personal choice, what is incredibly dangerous if a road to effectively presumptively place veganism as the primary or even only choice
Healthy, moral, ethical and conscious choice…Not quite like buying a pair of jeans ;)
@@milenaantoska233
Every human being is unique, some people go very well on aVegan diet. Others though it is like self flagellation, why are they punishing themselves like in a cult. Veganism seems to be an ID as opposed just another diet.
Also why are they so wedded to total veganism, I grow many of my own veg, I love veg, but why are the so absolutely fixed on just eating these set foods it seems quite a limited perspective IMHO.
Eating these myriad of animal products is the default for humans.
Additionally it disturbs me greatly the Frankenstein crops being grown and sold in stores. Greeny hipppy types would once care greatly about this GMO topic, now vegans and notional greens could not care less or appear not to.
@@milenaantoska233 Saying it's "healthy" is a matter of opinion not a universal fact. The Vegan experiment is a very new one in the West and hasn't been tried and tested for generations and generations. I believe a medical study was even released from Germany a few months back confirming that Vegan diets contribute to weak bone density. Also countries like Japan, South Korea and parts of Southern Europe eat Meat & Fish regularly and have extermely low cases of heart disease & cancer. Also, Human beings have survived & thrived on an Omnivorous diet since the beginning of humanity itself. To suggest we should now all become Vegans is a dangerous walk into the unknown.
I would be suffering on a vegan diet so no!
Our suffering is invalid and not important. The suffering of animals is more important says those vegans.
Yes its hard eating burritos, chilli con carne, pizzas, stuffed potatoes, fresh fruit and vegetables, smoothies, and basically every normal item of food just without the animal products. So much suffering.
No. Leave other peoples’ plates alone. It’s nobody else’s business.
Save cows. Eat vegans.
Nah, there’s no protein on ‘em.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@EpicWinz dunno. Grass fed beef is the best 🤣
@@Tessican Then we should feed the vegans to the cows
Well done ED. The different between human and animals basically is the mind. Human mind is having a broader perspective discernment, kindness, loving, compassion, righteous and wisdom etc. Animals couldn’t owing to its past lifespans negative karma of ignorance when they were humans.
The Vegan Society website states that they would like to stop the use of guide dogs.
Yep that’s the vegan death cult for you
I sort of agree, but sort of disagree. I agree because we need to stop our animal dependence. I disagree because how will blind people navigate the world? Fortunately we can create better technologies to help blind people.
I'm not vegan, nor will I become vegan, but I must admit Ed seems like a really nice bloke.
I once said I wouldn’t become vegan too, Ed seems lovely
He is prob psychologist and knows how to play with people's heads..
Don't plants have feelings ?
@@rcasper1809 no they don’t. Feelings come from a brain and nervous system which plants don’t have
He is. There are plenty of nice omnivores with actual arguments too, but they didn't invite them to this discussion.
@@goranbreskic4304 I agree, I think someone like Steve Rinella makes a really good defense of eating meat, as I say, I'm an omnivore, I'm a Chef, I eat meat a lot, but I can respect why people go vegan.
Democracy equals choice. That means what food we eat! Our choice! Vegan been proven to not supply all the nutrition needed!
Keep up the fight Ed !
😂🤣
I like vegans, couldn't eat a whole one but...
If the UK was to become vegan we would have to import more food than ever, I'm sure the lentil eating greens will love that.
To put that into context, I live in Wales where 70% of farmland is not suitable for crop production, this is according to the Welsh national farmers Union. Not sure about England and Scotland but I would imagine that at least Scotland would be equal or even worse percentage wise.
Can"t you grow lentils in UK. Canada is the largest producer of lentils, Surely you can grow them in England if Canada can grow them?
False, U.K. can produce all good required for essential nutrition, but even imported plant foods are significantly less impactful than local animal products, travel accounts for 6-10% of emissions.
If we can go to the moon or Mars, we can grow fucking plants in the U.K. lol.
What do you think these animals eat? Plants. We already import ridiculous amounts of food to feed livestock. We would actualy import less if we stopped producing meat. We feed 70billion animals a year to eat. Why not just feed 6billion humans instead?
@@bernarddebotte5902 the crops fed to livestock is inedible to humans.
'70% of farmland is not suitable for crop production', which is why we vegans suggest we REPURPOSE THE LAND AND GROW CROPS WE CAN ACTUALLY EAT. If all carnists ate like Americans, we'd need three more Earth-sized planets just to fit the livestock.
"Helps the environment, helps the planet" said no farmer worth their grain of salt ever
What made them think to get Chris Snowden on for this?
Ed wants to save the pigs and Chris looks like a pig
What does he think would happen to all the farm animals?
Farmers would stop breeding them to exploit and slaughter.
Do you understand what supply and demand means?
@@oliviacaraian3687 So in your ideal world there wouldn't be any farm animals?
Mono-cropping, he should research.
Are large fields of grass not a monocrop?
@@willsgarden6740 "Will's Garden 5 hours ago
Are large fields of grass not a monocrop?"
- Not if they are natural "large fields of grass". If you are referring to lawns, then in many cases, yes. There should be less lawns, but lawns generally aren't covering the space that mono-cropping agriculture is, and certainly not the space if we were all to 'go vegan'.
@@j2174 from the reading I have done. Majority of crops are fed to livestock. That's why they are burning the Amazon rainforest right? Keep blaming the vegans if it makes you happy though :)
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@J from the reading I have done. Majority of crops are fed to livestock. That's why they are burning the Amazon rainforest right? Keep blaming the vegans if it makes you happy though :) "
- "from the reading [you] have done" - so not that much then?
- Riight. From "grass is monocrops" to "you're blaming vegans". Didn't take you long eh? Where did I "blame the vegans" specifically?
- Keep pretending you're morally superior or rational, or that you're well-read on the subject in any sort of meaningful way besides in a closed bubble of your ideology. You're no better than the people who say they are going to eat an extra steak to stick it to vegans. At least in their case, they are often joking and attempting to be humourous (even if its generic), whereas your ilk enjoys going around flaunting your alleged superiority, no matter how incorrect you happen to be.
@@j2174 just a tip, no need to copy and paste my comment. It is very easy to see my comment as it's above yours and just makes it harder to read. I took your original comment as having a dig at ed (the vegan in the video). As in your blaming vegans for monocropping or even insinuating that he doesn't know about the issues of monocrops. If that's not what you meant could you please expand on it.
It's not a controversial opinion that majority of crops are fed to livestock, many online sources will confirm this for you. Google is your friend. Most the land being burnt in the Amazon rainforest is for soybean that are fed to livestock. I bring this up because your mentioned natural grassland. What percentage of meat is raised on natural grassland you think. By natural I mean land that has not been cleared of forest and native wildlife? I don't think I am better than anyone. But I'm sure the animals that I'm not paying people to slice the throat of think I am a better person than you. You can frame it however you like but I'm here to speak for the millions of animals tortured and killed every year. They cannot speak so humans need to speak for them.
nut case veganisme, 😒
Haha as usual, a very weak argument to support not being vegan.
First - meat is a crucial component of a healthy diet, and the more of your calories are made up of meat the healthier you tend to be.
Second - I notice those outraged by the killing of animals always seem to be mad keen on abortion.
Vegans are never gonna get meat banned. Meat is the healthiest and most nutritious food that we can eat as humans
@Sweet PS Yes, it is. Meat is the healthiest food that we can eat, it is full of nutrients and vitamins for us
@Sweet PS Yes, and they are food. That’s why they exist
@Sweet PS Your emotional appeals are irrelevant. Animals are food, get over it
Mmm, meat is not the healthiest food for us, and you are a animal too. Wouldn't want to be turned into a burger would you?
Each to his own.
And its always fucking HIS own.
What does that mean?
Exactly. Some of us happen to think that violence and cruelty for no good reason are OK. Why can't these vegans accept that?
When we have to start eating each other, vegans and vegetarians will be the most expensive meat,
Fed on greens with no chemicals. Yummy.
Why would we eat each other? Ew.
Are our mainstream vegetables and fruits real???...by that I mean the natural ones not the veggies that were grown with man made fertilizers, man made herbicides, manmade pesticides and the Franken veggies and fruits. Also the clearing of trees for the land and slaughter of animals that eat the crops. These new to our biological systems are pro inflammatory and do not provide complete nutrition.
The way our protein is now raised for commercial use is out of hand as well, take a perfectly healthy animal nutrient wise then raise it with high omega 6 fat producing food...
Using a cookie cutter approach for anything human has been proven so wrong on so many levels. The vegan activists will have to try and pry my healthy meat and fat out of my dead disease free hands before I give it up.
A human can thrive on nose to tail beef, not so much with veggies alone.
The GMO crops etc are actually fed to livestock. Havent these animals also been breed and genetically manipulated to suit humans needs. Chickens being a great example, they do not exist in the wild. It seems to me that those who eat meat are the ones eating the Franken foods as you put it.
@@willsgarden6740 They are called junglefowl and are truly wild, having never been domesticated or tended to by humans. There are some cases of domesticated chickens escaping their enclosures and living together in wild flocks, known as feral chickens. These birds have become wild again and will roost in bushes or low tree branches to stay clear of predators.
Many farms have wild chickens in the chickens live in the "yard" or in a large open screened enclosure that slowly moves along the ground providing fresh grubs,seeds and grass.
They even clone meat and it is approved.
If you eat the protein from the box stores one is going to eat mostly "Franken food" as you put it because some have been given gmo corn. A animal and fish which are able to eat their natural foods in the wild will have all the nutrients needed.
@@oldie4210 so you only eat wild caught animals and don't consume milk or dairy. Or are you having some sort of imaginary argument?
@@willsgarden6740 I cannot have regular dairy, can have goat or Buffalo yoghurt etc.due to intolerance. I live on the west coast and catch eat 98% of wild caught seafood. My protein choices are animals that spend their lives on green natural food that they have to forage for. In the winter months my egg source is ducks. When I do have a successful hunt My groceries are augmented with that.
Your sarcasm is noted.
@@oldie4210 do you think it's sustainable for everyone to eat that way?
I am willing to go to the last full measure for my right to eat natural meat and be a normal natural human. Tell the vegans.
Meatflake
@@samibaozilover nice snowflake compensation
@@samibaozilover that sounds delicious. Make me a meat flake to eat
Really good debate.
I would like to ask him if halal meat should be banned. That might shut him up 😂
Kevin be like "Yeah, you got some good points, but whatabout whatabout whatabout..."
I suggest you watch videos by CosmicSkeptic, a vegan who doesn't shy away from the topic of religious slaughter.
@@artistsanomalous7369 Wtf medication are you on?
They could try, I would start eating vegans if they did, good for the environment. Lol.
Try what?
We could try, but we get so tired.
You’ll get used to it after a while.
Serious question: what are China and India doing? They are almost 40% of the world's population... there is an estimated 500 million "black citizens" in China to add to the official 1.5 billion they say are their population. plus there's all of Africa too, the middle east, south America, all the ex URSS countries. The western countries account for a fraction of the planet's population. So yes, we go all vegan, what are all the others doing?
We are omnivores. It's nature.
It's also natural to avoid violently exploiting the bodies of other sentient creatures when you don't need to. You choose to do it anyway.
@@jamesbyrne3033 humans are biological omnivores facts don’t care about your feelings
@@Assassin99584 And omnivores can meet their nutritional needs from a wide variety of sources, it's in the name.
That's why we can be perfectly healthy without animal products.
@@jamesbyrne3033 enjoy your supplements
@@Assassin99584 What supplements?
The meat eater really didn't try to listen and understand anything ed said at all...
Why can't he be a vegan and just get on with his life quietly, I don't want to be vegan and would object to it being forced upon me...
You realise he was invited onto the show to talk about this. But how dare he talk about topics that you dont like. Where did he say he would force anything upon you? Sensitive snowflake.
Lucky spoon fed type's who can choose when and what to eat. The vast majority of the world's population isn't that lucky and as such they eat whenever and whatever they can. You carry on eating your factory manufactured vegan chemical slop chum,
The vast majority of poor people live on a diet of rice and grains, because that is the cheapest of foods. Once a country starts becoming wealthier, dairy and meat consumption goes up. Though using poor people to deflect on why YOU can't go vegan is pretty poor form.
Who do these people are who think they can tell someone else what they should eat. What about the exploitation of habitats to feed these ignorant people.
I thought that's what the video was all about? Because your dietary habits cause unjust suffering for a selfish and unnecessary reason?
Meat wouldn’t be so delicious if we weren’t supposed to eat it 😆
@@londonlion5179 those vegans says our canine is used to rip vegetables and fruit 😵
Heroin wouldn't feel so amazing if we weren't supposed to inject it. Gotta love boomer logic.
@@GamborHibor No, we don't and our teeth can't rip flesh. We use tools and cooking to process the meat so we can eat it. Eating raw meat is more effort than eating a raw tomato, carrot, etc. Sandman 89 might want to ask his dentist about the argument about anything delicious being something we're supposed to eat, though. Sugar, sugar, sugar ...😁
@@GamborHibor That's correct. Molars are only good if you're just eating plant matter that's broad and soft, i.e. leaves. To bite into hard crunchy foods like apples and carrots you need sharp pointy teeth. Teeth also have functions beyond just eating.
Yes. Just like smoking
why do we give these peolple air time, they can have their opinions but dont try and force it on others I will never be vegan
What's the matter Chris, do you not like hearing opposing opinions?
I totally agree with you Chris..
Who cares im going to eat a bacon and egg sandwich..
Sad this Ed is given time on main media.. just shows how main media is manipulated to try and push narratives on people..
Save animals eat vegans instead ..lol.. ( joke by the way) Karen.. hhaa
If it’s about the animals … I’m not interested!
It was never about us in the first place. Militant Vegans only care about Vegan humans and animals.
While I don't eat meat which is my choice. If everybody did turn vegan what do we do with all the animals we have? Whose going to look after them until they die of old age are we going to stop them breeding the next generation and what do we do with the bodies when they do die?
Well as you mention, we breed the animals by doing very awful things to which they do no consent. So as it is a supply and demand market. As demand slows, so does supply.
I’m going to buy a Big Mac soon after watching this.
I’m not sure a Big Mac is a good advert for meat!
Edgy! #Boomer humor
@@willsgarden6740 we do a little trolling 😂
Yes, that's a psychologically healthy reaction and doesn't at all look like a defence mechanism coming from a place of insecurity.
Listen to joe rogan episode 1784 for the truth on the great vegan con. Meat all the way for me.
Yes I also like to get my information from a comedian/ufc commentator.
@@willsgarden6740
The information comes from the guests.
@@bens7183 like Chris Kresser? Just curious do you listen to people like Dr Gregor, Dr McDougall, Dr Joel Kahn, Dr Caldwell Esselystein, Dr klapper etc. Or just listen to one side while ignoring the other? I find it helps to listen to both sides then make an informed decision.
@@willsgarden6740 joe rogan is the counter to the propaganda that’s being thrown out nonstop by the likes of the bbc. They have been banging the vegan drum for years now, so it’s great to get the otherside. Go listen to it yourself.
IDK, could meat eaters make being veganillegal if they are a majority? Can they outlaw whatever they don't like? Who has heard the silent scream of the carrot or the lettuce as it is pulled out by the roots and chopped up? How about we all mind our own business?
Exactly, minding our own business would mean not eating animals right. Because the lives of others are not our own business correct?
Why is it everytime I see these vegans sprouting this plant based nonsense I feel like tucking into a big porterhouse!
Probably because your a boomer.
You feel like violently abusing an animal? That's probably because you're a violent animal abuser. Mystery solved.
If they do then you can see the land degredation & exploitation trying to grow food for 7 billion people.
Majority of crops are fed to livestock btw.
Not at all. Plants that could have been food for lots of people are now being fed to animals to feed fewer. We're growing crops to feed animals for meat. It makes no sense.
Growing food for 7 billion humans is easier than growing food for 7 billion humans and 70+ billion farm animals.
@@willsgarden6740 majority of crops fed to livestock is inedible to humans by they way
@@Shamrock299 But what is important is the amount of land used to grow the food. Not who it's being fed to.
Have Dr Aseem Malhotra on to counter this carbage narrative.
How many woods forests have been wiped out to make room for crops loss of habits aswell for vegans to eat .They don't think of that.
The ironic part is that majority of crops grown are fed to livestock. Do you know why they keep burning the amazon, for soy bean farms, to feed to beef. But keep blaming the vegans if if makes you feel better.
Emm,..... zero.
If more of the world was vegan we would need fewer crops, so there would be less deforestation. Feeding 8 billion humans requires less land than feeding 8 billion humans and 70+ billion farm animals.
@@jamesbyrne3033 And more destruction of forestry for vegans to eat simple as that and everyone has a choice and Shouldn't be made to feel bad for eating what they want.To many wokes do as we say or your evil . Animals kill for food human beings are omnivores and the body needs meat to be really healthy . People want to eat meat it's nothing to do with anyone and they should keep their noses out of others business.Millions of acres of land have been ruined for crops millions of animals displaced but vegans don't look at that ,only their selfish ways.
@@jamesbyrne3033 Look at all the land in South America that's been ruined for soya.You say zero shoes actually how much you know .
@@paulAnthony7236 The soya crops are being grown to feed farm animals Paul. More vegans means fewer farm animals which means fewer crops.
You should feel bad about a choice that violently exploits the body of another sentient creature.
= )
The problem is that many non essentials we have even highly processed vegan foods damage the environment through polution. All life is important even plant life.Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life.he suffered as the lamb of God to take away the sins of the world .the problem is much deeper.
Animals don't have rights to life. Just ask a lion, or a bird, or a fish, or a lizard, or a snake, or a cat, or a dog, or an alligator, or a hippo, or an elephant etc etc etc.
Rights are granted in law by humans, Ed seems like a nice boy but not terribly informed about what rights are and were they actually come from.
In fact humans don't even have a right to life, those of you who believe this nonsense must have missed the current controversy unfolding in the Ukraine.
In Australia the Police can kill you "in the line of duty" and not a lot gets done. So much to a human right to life. A pointless discussion run by the over privileged and over indulged.
You seem like a very troubled person and I hope you are seeing a psychologist.
I wonder where the Innuit would grow their fruit and vegetables in the Artic and where would remote Aftican tribes do the same in scorching 40-50 degree heat with very little water available.
no need to wonder, you're not an inuit or in a remote african tribe, you live in a nice comfy country with an abundance of plant based food. though, if you are concerned about your water consumption, perhaps try cutting down on your meat, considering the amount of water used to raise cattle vs water used for crops
@@catmeatlover99 😂listen to you ye big girl's blouse😂
Sorry is that the position you’re in?
Yeah, totally relevant to your situation there 🙄
@@CarnismDebunkedhypocrite 🤮
Watch them try!
Do any of these people know what would happen if people stopped eating meat we would not be able to produce fertiliser that is not natural to grow crops all the farm animals would be extinct nearly overnight as there would be no point to keeping them and as we all know crops failure is quite high in some part's of the of the planet one failure could result in millions of lives a happy medium is the best we can opt for.
Yeah but we also know that this scenario is just not going to happen it will be a gradual change. There will be fewer and fewer animals over years. The same goes for fertilisers, there already are plant based ones and they’ll get better and more effective over time.
@@backtotopic4208 yes because killing animals slowly over the years allows vegan moralists to exterminate without public horror
Why does GB News keep asking stupid questions . For crying out loud . Get a bloody grip of your selfs.
Thank you for bring up Ed Winters on your show, and thanks so much Ed for opening the world’s eyes, one person at a time ❤
We should go over to mixed use cattle , both milk and meat use the skin for leather. With sheep we need to wearing more wool. Most synthetic materials use plastics in them and many are non recyclable or bio degradable. There was a time where it was said that the only part of a pig you didn't use was it's squeak. Plus of course so much of our land in the UK is only usable for livestock.
Yes, absolutely, wool underpants are a definite penance …
@@andyxox4168 😂🤣😂
The world is created with hierarchy. As Al Murray said "its business relationship, I'm hungry and the cow is made of beef. It's not personal". The moral high ground is to go with the natural hierarchical model.
Might makes right then. Just because you can physically do something then it’s ok. Great moral philosophy (sarcasm)
@@gazrygames2481 there is a natural order. Nature is not about getting food from the freezer or simply grazing a field. We are omnivore with canine teeth, some can fight against nature but others will go with nature. Obviously this means applying the best care for the cattle throughout their lives. The modern food industry is broken and evil but old school organic is the way to ensure quality and moderate consumption.
@@hano552 why does it mean ‘providing the best care for the cattle’ that’s also against nature?
Nature is cruel, bite-into-their-throat and let them bleed out in pain, break their legs, make them run in fear. Using your logic of ‘it happens in nature so it’s ok for us to do it’ I can just pin an animal down and start eating it while it’s alive.
Come on, be consistent. You can’t use nature to justify eating animals in one sense then argue against what happens in another.
The natural hierarchy in animals is to subjugate the weak, this even means our own species. Lions have been known to eat their own young, animals rape eachother, humans have been killing eachother in nature for millennia. These are all ‘natural’. Using your logic, all of these actions are ok for humans to do as ‘the moral high ground is to go with the natural hierarchical model.’
@@gazrygames2481 humans are permitted to eat other (already dead) humans under exceptional circumstances. There are exceptions at the outer limits. But generally, we are at the top of the hierarchy. So we look after the cattle, we kill them with minimal pain and we eat them. Also humans are not an animal but a special creation. Certain animals and plants are created for our consumption. Other animals are prohibited for humans.
I wouldn't worry too much about this topic as the lease on mankinds time on earth expires around or just before 2100. Plus there is a nuclear war predicted very soon - all the prophecies that preceed this have come to pass. So there are bigger concerns heading our way as we rapidly head from 8 billion to zero in short space of time.
Humans are omnivores. It's OK if individuals want to make food choices for themselves, but that won't change our basic biology. No group should tell another what to eat.
vegan study says otherwise said by those vegans.
So because we can eat meat, does mean we should. Humans can kill other humans, that doesnt make it right. If you can live a life doing things simply because you can. Well that is pretty messed up.
dont say they didnt warn you…
No real argument about the value of not eating meat just make you feel guilty about killing an animal..
does an unfertilised egg involve a victim? and if so who is it? then is the argument the means of its harvest as opposed to it being eaten at all? and would it be wasteful if it wasnt eaten or if left would it be eaten by something else and thus our fault for not removing it, i could go on ;-)
maybe those vegans don't mind if the eggs are eaten by other animals but we humans are not supposed to eat it says the vegans
What happens to all the male chicks in the egg industry. There are plenty of videos on youtube that will show you. I bet your too afraid to watch them though.
@@willsgarden6740 always one, for clarity my answer was facetious, not sure how you get either a male or female chic from the unfertilised egg I initially referred to. Anyway got go, KFC calling :-)
Keep eating meat folks . Eat cheese as well . Ignore these sniveling vegans abut if you see one chase it away
Bro chill.
@williamshanks8959 nope wime will not chilli 🤮
Halal? Don't think they have a bolt gun,
Carnivores will Be forced to eat the vegans and vegetarians if they ban meat.
Have to Say.
I like the idea of vegans and vegetarians.
Wouldn't bother me, if i ate in this way.
As, long as i am Healthy.
As, of me typing this message, at this moment in time.
20.47pm on the 13/03/2022
I, think, i will find, i will eat, anything, to keep me strong and healthy.
Things are Going To Change.
Dramatically.
Keep Strong, Eat Well. 💭🤺
I'd love it if they did, just to see the reaction of the gammons.
Watching this while eating a burger
Hey. How do you know if someone enjoys violently exploiting the bodies of other sentient creatures.
Don't worry, ... they'll tell you.
@@jamesbyrne3033 exploitation tho bodies tho
Hypocrite
@@jamesbyrne3033 you eat what you please but don't preach to the world
@@michaellewis8876 No one's preaching. It's just some observational humour my man. Lighten up. = )
@@jamesbyrne3033 90% of vegans preach to others.
People don’t realise if 60% of the population went fully vegan the soil would only have 12 years lifespan in the uk .
It’s currently 95 -100 years left
How do we fertilise the land.. animals s***
Most animals are factory farmed in sheds thats why they are supplemented with b12 ,they don't live in fields.
Provide evidence for your lies please
@@justroberto5052 show the evidence of EDs lies.. you vegetable
No not a chance will I do what others say I am feed up with what we can eat or what we can't do or we say this country has 'realy lost its own peole and it will never be back.
No one's telling you what to do, we're just not going to pretend that it's alright for you to violently abuse and exploit the bodies of other sentient creatures for your own gratification. = )
@@jamesbyrne3033 abuse tho
@@Assassin99584 It means, cruel and violent treatment of a person or animal.
@@jamesbyrne3033 wrong killing for food isn’t abuse and buzzwords aren’t arguments try again
@@Assassin99584 Nope, that's the dictionary definition of the word.
You are wrong. X'D
The Winstons were a victim of Drum ‘n’ Bass haha
Meanwhile in Ukraine!!!!!