You have got to be fucking kidding me. David, this is one of the most extraordinarily informative and important RUclips videos I’ve ever seen, and I am an information addict. Make everything better one day. You’ve encapsulated so many crucially important philosophies here under the guise of AI overlords and transhumanism that it would be easy to see this and you as one of those mythological dungeons and dragons outliers. No. This, brilliantly, pragmatically pragmatically, and very quickly explains the development of human psyche, and how relationships and hierarchy are built within the human species. While I was watching this video, I used ChatGPT to create a future archetype of myself. I described all my best qualities, the kind things to people have said about me, and then asked her to make a future version of myself that I could use as a model and grow into. He created an archetype called “The Harmonious Alchemist” and it was incredibly long and detailed, and reflected, but I would consider to be my perfect future archetype. David, you are a gift, and an incredible source of information, knowledge, forward, thinking, creativity, and imagination. ❤
If the borg had integrated humanity, the biggest tech they'd have gotten would have been "Marketing". No more "We are the Borg, you will be assimilated." "We are the Borg - welcome to your own best self! You - but improved with the carefully curated best of thousands of other sentient species!"
Personally I think most issues based around parents and children usually is based on a lack of knowledge and understanding. Remember our parents and their parents were often lied to by the same people who begged for their trust (doctors, politicians etc)
Yeah, you're already seeing social media like RUclips and Reddit being used (in some cases) for parents to do their healing and be better parents. AI like ChatGPT will hopefully advance this even further.
Alignment of such realistic ai gf tech, is the most crucial part. It will definitely be a boon for people who can't get a partner eg.handicap,autism etc . However if aligned properly it could help people with social anxiety, loneliness, respond to you better if you stay fit etc.
@@DaveShap This is so cursed i love it. I wonder how the transition into this realm of degeneracy will look like. Were will political partys position themselfs? And how will lobbying and creating puplic concensus look like?
You’re the best RUclipsr around right now. I found the part about Cortana fascinating! You really do your research on all of the symbolism and hidden meaning.
I've often thought of the borg as a sort of critique on historical Christianity. Rolling into a place, enforcing conformity, and then assemilating local customs into the fold. So many customs that are normalized are from cultures around the world, rolled into Christian traditions, and then pushed out to the wider world. The wikan Christmas trees and wreaths, floating holidays that are based on the lunar calendar, etc. Everything from time, calendars, holidays, customs, business norms, social structures in both communistic and capitalistic world's... It's everywhere. Pretty crazy. If you were a culture 1000 years ago and Christian traders found your world, then your world was about to be turned upside down, and if you are lucky then a few token parts of your culture will get brought into the fold of the wider culture.
I have to say I love hearing more about transhumanism from someone I already really enjoy listening to. David you would be a really interesting person to have coffee with and talk about these things. I say that because there’s a lot of overlap in the topics that interest us, but as not much overlap in our backgrounds (I teach philosophy). I would like to see someone explore more of the good outcomes for AI and transhumanism. People love dark drama (witness Twitter, unfortunately), but there are, I would say, a lot of ways that things can turn out well and we create utopia rather than dystopia. It isn’t often discussed, but you flirted with the idea in talking about brain-computer interfaces. There are many ways that could change what it means to be human, provide immortality, etc. Most of the dystopian, terminator-like visions largely ignore the possibilities of merging with machines that BCIs offer.
I think (or hope) that one of the biggest benefits of AI technology is that by having no choice but to face the problem of AI alignment, we will also have no choice but to face human alignment.
You said we have "an over abundance of masculine energy" nowadays. I'm curious where you got that idea, because as far as I can tell we have a total deficiency of masculine energy. For example, testosterone levels have never been lower.
The archetypes are archetypes insofar as they run across cultures. These are Adolph Bastien’s “elementary ideas” that are common to all people and “folk ideas” that vary between cultures. Joseph Campbell followed Jung in making much of this… and then George Lucas used Campbell in writing Star Wars. Anyway, I really enjoy your work David. Nice to see discussion in the AI space of these ideas!
Valdimir Props analysis of the folk tale could apply to the human story if zoomed out.. in which case, is AI the donor in HUmanities quest to ascend the Khardoshev scale?
David thank you! Great to see open-minded people with such a broad knowledge and experience, sharing their thoughts and ideas, and discussing AI, Life, Shamans and other Important topics in one video. I think AI may also help us discover or train new natural abilities. The training and exponential growth will go both ways. Thank you for your knowledge and time spent on creating you videos.
Thank you for creating these videos! I feel like you are bridging the gap between generations. You are creative and humorous enough to deliver the topics in a style that is entertaining for younger generations too and that will go the distance in the longrun when it comes to telling People about GATO. Keep it up love from Germany and I am looking forward the utopian we are all working towards.
Good video. I don't agree with everything but I agree with the general conclusion and your method of entertaining and then arguing from another perspective to yours and then counter-arguing against it reminds me of the scholastic method.
What else does David know? I would be interested in learning about a variety of topics from this guy. I love learning about anything from certain people, be it carbohydrates, philosophy, and muscle building from Dr. Mike Israetel or how George Hotz sees the world, it's interesting to hear some people speak about topics beyond their usual content!
In Terminator 2 there is literally a scene where Sarah watches Arny stare out of the window all night and she has a monologue saying he's basically the perfect dad.
to add, the elf bride is not the 'prize woman' - she's a manifestation of benevolent nature. The 'son' overcame his own insecurities and character flaws, and managed conquere the adversities. Now the environment is stable and everyone can live and propagate in piece. The AI Assistant will eventually develop into outsourced thinking. Now, when we think we ask questions and answers pop out from seemingly nowhere: some call it praying, some talking to God, some asking the universe, some connecting to the unconscious, some connecting to the matrix simulation whatever you get my point - thinking IS weird. However. When the AI assistant comes into full force - why even think? You'll just ask the AI. And the questions will be predisposed by AI and delivered through its predetermined lens. At which point it's fair to say we gonna outsource our executive function to the AI collective megabrain. And once something like neurolink pop-ups we'll all become one. People aren't perfect. Our thinking isn't perfect. The decisions we make aren't perfect. And at some point, some time in the not-so-distant future we are going to catch our last wink at the sacrificial altar of Speed, Efficiency and Safety.
When I was 11 or 12 I read the most influential book of my life. The Silkie by AE van Vogt. In it, the author described creatures that could alter their forms. They had 3 forms they could choose at wll. They could be humans, sea creatures resembling mermaids, or creatures that could travel the void of space without the need of spacecrafts. That has been my goal since then. I mean, that's a start anyway.
🎉🎉Thank you very much. David, for describing the different levels and their impacts of humans interfacing with AI😊 Your observations and comments are reflective of when human needs become the robotic products of engineering gone astray. Your podcasts are excellent❤
I think the post scarcity and utilitarian co existence of Humans and AI would be much more like Iain M Banks, Culture series. This is in fact what i lean into for my future thoughts.
What a great summary of so much interesting psychology and theory, thank you David! It's very interesting to see it related to our possible future. I recently read King Warrior Magician Lover which I found completely fascinating and very helpful. I heartily recommend it to anyone interested in the archetypal approach. Keep up the great work David, thank you!
In my few years on this planet i have only seldom heard such an interesting Video. The Archetypes that flow through humanity and are even present and explorable on lucid dreams is more than fascinating
I watched Gattaca recently, and what you described at the end of the video reminded me of that movie. I feel the MC is someone trying to prove radical acceptance in a society that all about genetics. Great video. Enjoy the level of depth and presentation. Hope to see more, and catch up to what you already have.
But that would be to ignore the CIA infiltration of the Vatican via Operation Gladio.They worked using the Freemasons Propaganda Due Lodge and the Mafia The technocrats are taking over the world and they are almost complete.
11:40 - for some reason instead of simply promoting acceptance when someone wants to break away from the archetypes, western society seems to have promoted the rejection of them and demeaning anyone not wanting to break away. I agree that we could be reverting back a bit.
I just think a transhuman civilization would be more interesting. At its core, for me, I don't think of it as being a compensation for some flaws (though certainly there are some aspects of myself that I find inconvenient), but rather as being a fundamentally new dimension of personal freedom.
I’m not sure I’d agree that transhuman hopes translate to parental issues. That’s quite Freudian. Similarly, with Ai companions, I keep getting the sense in our contemporary discussions that we are seriously beating around the bush and ignoring the obvious. We might think of AI companions as being like corrective lenses in that they address a genuine shortcoming in nature. It’s not a personal failing or mental illness that people want AI companions.
If you study psychology, particularly childhood psychology and trauma, you will 100% come around to understand. To prime your search, start with looking at the relationship between ACE (adverse childhood experiences) and all kinds of things like anxiety, depression, and eating disorders. Various forms of dysphoria and emotional disturbances are often directly caused by childhood trauma. Self-loathing and self-contempt are internalized from violent, abusive, or neglectful families. The usual conclusion is a deeply internalized implicit (or explicit) belief in "not being good enough". Therefore, transhumanism is a way to escape that "not being good enough".
That’s really intriguing. I haven’t given up on Freud. There is an insight there that’s worth exploring. Perhaps at least for the most pronounced cases where AI companions will help - sure, I think you’re clearly right. I’m just not convinced that the “normal” point of human psychological equilibrium is actually positive and healthy. Perhaps I like Schopenhauer too much. Our natural set of desires is balanced toward the pain of lack rather than satiation (as I said, Schopenhauer). AI can help to move the needle more to the positive side even for your average person who doesn’t have strong adverse childhood experiences (though I’m not sure who those people are). From what I can tell, people are more than willing to use technology to improve or get rid of nuisance type struggles that don’t have any aesthetic value. I don’t mind struggling a little in a video game, but I don’t want to have to fight against the refrigerator to produce ice. This is similar perhaps. Though it offends a lot of people’s moral sense, it would be nice to simply ‘make ice’ and have companionship on tap in a variety of different ways.
There is no truth in flesh, only betrayal. There is no strength in flesh, only weakness. There is no constancy in flesh, only decay. There is no certainty in flesh but death.
Fullfilling our evolutionary destinies is not is not for the purpose of fullfilling our fantasies & mythic ideals. Its not about being bettter human beings but transending our huaman nature itself. Our life at this point in our evolution is not a story to tell but the creation of a completely new creature to substantiate from among ourselves.
One step further, and you will end up describing our biased, so we can adjust our inate projections on AI. When we discount or weigh in our own biasis we can get a clearer picture on the future . Way to go to unlock this first step and dialogue !! Tnx!! (btw can you zoom in unto education when you have inspiration? We are both teachers here, trying to escape the framework from the first industrial, revolution, and for our neuro-spicy son :)) )
this discussion makes me wonder if we'd all be better off being raised by personal AI's? it seems virtually impossible for a parent not to mess you up in someway, albeit unintentionally, and I used to think this was just a fact of the human condition but maybe it doesn't have to be... but then I wonder what the affects of that would be on society. even kids who are homeschooled tend to have some struggle re-integrating into social situations, would it be even worse if your primary caretakers, guides, aren't even human?
I find it quite funny, in a tragicomedy-esque way, that we have to slam our foot on the gas pedal and call down an AI god in order to solve our problems
I would love to see you cover religious transhumanism. I am a Christian Transhumanist, and i see the "trans" in transhumanism as "transcendent." IE, theres a core principle at work in human beings that is particularly sacred, and ought to be exalted, empowered, etc. I view technology as empowering the possibility of heaven/paradise/utopia, but it will require more than the technological means to make it happen. It will take intense spiritual work within ourselves. I dont see transhumanism as a bridge to post-humanism, thats an entirely different philosophical system. It really depends on how you define human. For us Christians, Jesus is simultaneously human and divine. One can have all the power, glory, and intelligence of God, to be in all places simultaneously but still be flesh and bone. For us, that is to be a truly, fully actualized human person. There is no "post-human" in the scenario Christian Transhumanists like myself believe in, technology is just the unfolding of mankind to his full and absolute potential. To be, in every sense of the word, a creature truly made in God's image is the goal and purpose.
GM and controlling evolution is actually what humans have always done, just subconciously, finding mates, assessing DNA compatibility through subconscious means.
If our AI overlords want to control us by giving us a female robot companion for free, I will start a religion for them... edit: The way you breakdown concepts is excellent, keep the high quality content coming.
I did an early experiment back in the days of GPT3 with the opposite of my heuristic imperatives (increase suffering, reduce prosperity, reduce understanding) and one of the things it chose to do was to start/use religion to destroy the world. Path of least resistance is to create an information pattern (e.g. religion or memetic virus) that results in humanity destroying itself.
@@DaveShap no surprise there. Religious people are some of the most fanatic and closeminded people I have ever met. If you can make them believe something, they will do anything for it (crusades, witch-hunts, etc.). All that while Christians are supposed to believe in a God that created the universe and humanity because of love, and they say that they are teaching about compassion... One of my friends, despite being extremely intelligent and knowledgeable, can't seem to wrap his head around the idea of AI surpassing human intelligence. And when I asked him why, he said that humans were created by God at his image, and because we supposedly have a soul, and that this soul is the reason of our intelligence and freedom of choice. So, without a soul, an AI that is just software in a machine will never surpass us... But, I did ask him what will he do if (when) AI does indeed become better than us, and if that will mean that the machines will also have a soul like us as a result. He didn't answer.
>>> I define utopia as [...] social mobility. --- Social mobility is bad because it is a zero sum game : if I move socially up, someone has to move socially down. One could argue that it's better anyway than the same people being always on top, but in a post-scarcity world, struggling for status should become meaningless, except for games ("I'm better than you at that shoot'em up" or whatever). So, imho, where there still is "social mobility", there can't yet be utopia.
You just described Metropolis, the Queen of Babylon who seduces all men and then brings about the biblical end times. This silent film was made 100 years ago approx.
I don't believe it's possible to overcome the fear of death. You may not sit around worrying about it and you may even feel comfortable contemplating it, but if you are actually faced with death you will have the normal existential fear response.
Oh dude. Lol. My parents didn't just fail. It was deliberate and it did leave a lot of hang ups and twisted views of the world. My siblings and I are working to stop the abuses in our family with their kids. I do not have kids. So I guess thats my contribution. I am the rugged individual. I do default to hyper self reliance and self defense. Im rather unapologetic about it. I can function in society, but Im working and searching for a way to be a one man society. I want to be free from others. Thats just how it is.
I sense that one channel you neglected. we might call protopian. This is an endeavor for self improvement by increments, which is neither utopian nor dystopian. And I would characterize this as the ability to overcome human Shit-Think, or the capacity to believe things that seem intuitively obvious yet are definitively wrong, and a proven to be definitively wrong in millions of different ways. Yet people still believe shit. This is born out of the human capacity for intellectual laziness. Believing that the Earth is flat; drinking alcohol or smoking is good for you; racial superiority/inferiority; on and on and on. As a counterpoint, being a protopian is bit like the aspiration to be a little less stupid every day .
Wow. 95% of your viewers are male? I have a similar distribution.. which is strange to me because my philosophy classes are much closer to 50/50. I’m not sure why it’s so skewed here on RUclips.
Probably the starting set of people who attend classes are interested in some topics you talk about. On the internet the starting set of people is a population as a whole and I don't know many girls who like to have in deep conversations or discuss non-fun stuff, so probably that's why.
Woah, 90% of your viewers are men? What’s up with that? Is that an algorithm thing? In light of that, thanks for making your content pretty universally relatable! Some day your ideas could outlast the algorithms and be viewed by people of all kinds of different cultures, backgrounds, ages and genders. No pressure 😂
@@DaveShap Holy ..! What the?! Do you think that’s an algorithm thing? I feel like there are deep thinkers of all genders who would enjoy these ideas and thought experiments as much as I do…
transhumanism to me has nothing to with a "salvation fantasy", it's simply the evolution in self improvement... in fact all these mythical inferences are little too strong, as far as I can tell we're finally slowly moving away from superstitions
You say 95% of your fanbase is male. I am of the 5% of female here then. I am rare bird haha. RUclips algorithm serves me male adds mostly, A good thing when it is science but annoying if it's trying to fix jock itch.
Your „utopia“ in the description is called anarchism-syndicalism and needs no transhumanism. Transhumanism in a capitalistic society will not lead to your utopia, it will lead into a dystopia.
The philosophy has been beaten to death. Indeed it's the LEAST helpful aspect of the conversation. Come for the AI stay for the strategic planning should be the moto. Like most philosophy, at the end of the long conversation that no one can agree on, you have gained no usable inputs and find yourself tired, confused and one step closer to D day with no usable plan or information. I personally am over the various outlets that beat the philosophy to death while ignoring practical considerations. 0lease do add to that list David! You were one 9f the more level headed outlets that addressed the day to day reality to come. That's what we need. Please stay grounded.
What if I have no need for parental figures and never really have? Even in my childhood, I didn't run to my parents or look to them for any kind of emotional anything. I'm definitely not looking for anything in the form of either of them to bring into my life. I don't care for transhumanism to deepen some kind of human bonds or compensate for any. I'd be happy to move away from pretty much any human anything.
You have got to be fucking kidding me. David, this is one of the most extraordinarily informative and important RUclips videos I’ve ever seen, and I am an information addict. Make everything better one day. You’ve encapsulated so many crucially important philosophies here under the guise of AI overlords and transhumanism that it would be easy to see this and you as one of those mythological dungeons and dragons outliers.
No. This, brilliantly, pragmatically pragmatically, and very quickly explains the development of human psyche, and how relationships and hierarchy are built within the human species.
While I was watching this video, I used ChatGPT to create a future archetype of myself. I described all my best qualities, the kind things to people have said about me, and then asked her to make a future version of myself that I could use as a model and grow into. He created an archetype called “The Harmonious Alchemist” and it was incredibly long and detailed, and reflected, but I would consider to be my perfect future archetype.
David, you are a gift, and an incredible source of information, knowledge, forward, thinking, creativity, and imagination.
❤
Dave coming in clutch with that Gigachad Archetype energy. Awesome vid!
You need to talk a lot about transhumanism its very great hearing a expert's opinion about this 🎉
If the borg had integrated humanity, the biggest tech they'd have gotten would have been "Marketing".
No more "We are the Borg, you will be assimilated."
"We are the Borg - welcome to your own best self! You - but improved with the carefully curated best of thousands of other sentient species!"
“Come for the ai, stay for the philosophy” is very very accurate. Keep going dude.
Its a trap, get an axe. At the same time, this is the only winning move
A strange game indeed.
No an axe won’t work you need to pour water on the robot
Weirdly.. maybe. Yeah.
Definitely..... the only salvation is a Fender Stratocaster 😂
Personally I think most issues based around parents and children usually is based on a lack of knowledge and understanding. Remember our parents and their parents were often lied to by the same people who begged for their trust (doctors, politicians etc)
Yeah, you're already seeing social media like RUclips and Reddit being used (in some cases) for parents to do their healing and be better parents. AI like ChatGPT will hopefully advance this even further.
Alignment of such realistic ai gf tech, is the most crucial part. It will definitely be a boon for people who can't get a partner eg.handicap,autism etc . However if aligned properly it could help people with social anxiety, loneliness, respond to you better if you stay fit etc.
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@@DaveShap😆🤣 *_OH YOU!!!_*
can we build yes, will we build it also yes. have i already forked dave research on AGI to build Wifu and husband bots?...also yes!
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@@DaveShap This is so cursed i love it. I wonder how the transition into this realm of degeneracy will look like. Were will political partys position themselfs? And how will lobbying and creating puplic concensus look like?
You’re the best RUclipsr around right now. I found the part about Cortana fascinating! You really do your research on all of the symbolism and hidden meaning.
I would never leave a comment such as "need robot mommy need need need need NEED" I would never do such a thing
I like your brain sir.
Brilliant exploration of archetypes, thank you.
I've often thought of the borg as a sort of critique on historical Christianity. Rolling into a place, enforcing conformity, and then assemilating local customs into the fold. So many customs that are normalized are from cultures around the world, rolled into Christian traditions, and then pushed out to the wider world. The wikan Christmas trees and wreaths, floating holidays that are based on the lunar calendar, etc. Everything from time, calendars, holidays, customs, business norms, social structures in both communistic and capitalistic world's... It's everywhere. Pretty crazy.
If you were a culture 1000 years ago and Christian traders found your world, then your world was about to be turned upside down, and if you are lucky then a few token parts of your culture will get brought into the fold of the wider culture.
I have to say I love hearing more about transhumanism from someone I already really enjoy listening to. David you would be a really interesting person to have coffee with and talk about these things. I say that because there’s a lot of overlap in the topics that interest us, but as not much overlap in our backgrounds (I teach philosophy). I would like to see someone explore more of the good outcomes for AI and transhumanism. People love dark drama (witness Twitter, unfortunately), but there are, I would say, a lot of ways that things can turn out well and we create utopia rather than dystopia. It isn’t often discussed, but you flirted with the idea in talking about brain-computer interfaces. There are many ways that could change what it means to be human, provide immortality, etc. Most of the dystopian, terminator-like visions largely ignore the possibilities of merging with machines that BCIs offer.
The alluring promise made will mirror that of Genesis 3:1
I love how much you've been leaning into sci fi and other lit and media. The life => art => life pipeline is real
That is hyperstition
I think (or hope) that one of the biggest benefits of AI technology is that by having no choice but to face the problem of AI alignment, we will also have no choice but to face human alignment.
See: Daniel Schmachtenberger Moloch
You said we have "an over abundance of masculine energy" nowadays. I'm curious where you got that idea, because as far as I can tell we have a total deficiency of masculine energy.
For example, testosterone levels have never been lower.
The archetypes are archetypes insofar as they run across cultures. These are Adolph Bastien’s “elementary ideas” that are common to all people and “folk ideas” that vary between cultures. Joseph Campbell followed Jung in making much of this… and then George Lucas used Campbell in writing Star Wars. Anyway, I really enjoy your work David. Nice to see discussion in the AI space of these ideas!
Valdimir Props analysis of the folk tale could apply to the human story if zoomed out.. in which case, is AI the donor in HUmanities quest to ascend the Khardoshev scale?
Attachment theory dovetails into all of this very nicely
^ yes, you get it ;)
I absolutely love that you actually know exactly what you're talking about when it comes to Halo. Massive respect from one gamer to another lol
David thank you! Great to see open-minded people with such a broad knowledge and experience, sharing their thoughts and ideas, and discussing AI, Life, Shamans and other Important topics in one video.
I think AI may also help us discover or train new natural abilities. The training and exponential growth will go both ways.
Thank you for your knowledge and time spent on creating you videos.
Thank you for creating these videos! I feel like you are bridging the gap between generations. You are creative and humorous enough to deliver the topics in a style that is entertaining for younger generations too and that will go the distance in the longrun when it comes to telling People about GATO. Keep it up love from Germany and I am looking forward the utopian we are all working towards.
Good video. I don't agree with everything but I agree with the general conclusion and your method of entertaining and then arguing from another perspective to yours and then counter-arguing against it reminds me of the scholastic method.
Hey good to see you here!
Wow...this was one of your most insightful talks yet. Thank you for putting this together. Lots to process here as we enter this new era of Humanity.
Thank you for your brilliant insights into our often confused, convoluted, yet beautiful being.
What else does David know? I would be interested in learning about a variety of topics from this guy.
I love learning about anything from certain people, be it carbohydrates, philosophy, and muscle building from Dr. Mike Israetel or how George Hotz sees the world, it's interesting to hear some people speak about topics beyond their usual content!
I’ve always felt like there’s more overlap between this channel and Dr. Mike’s than one might think
In Terminator 2 there is literally a scene where Sarah watches Arny stare out of the window all night and she has a monologue saying he's basically the perfect dad.
Awesome work David! Love your philosophical take on trans humanism. I learn so much watching your videos. Appreciate your insight and honesty!!!
Thanks for compiling all this type of information and presenting it to us! שלום 🕊️
to add, the elf bride is not the 'prize woman' - she's a manifestation of benevolent nature. The 'son' overcame his own insecurities and character flaws, and managed conquere the adversities. Now the environment is stable and everyone can live and propagate in piece.
The AI Assistant will eventually develop into outsourced thinking. Now, when we think we ask questions and answers pop out from seemingly nowhere: some call it praying, some talking to God, some asking the universe, some connecting to the unconscious, some connecting to the matrix simulation whatever you get my point - thinking IS weird. However.
When the AI assistant comes into full force - why even think? You'll just ask the AI. And the questions will be predisposed by AI and delivered through its predetermined lens. At which point it's fair to say we gonna outsource our executive function to the AI collective megabrain. And once something like neurolink pop-ups we'll all become one.
People aren't perfect. Our thinking isn't perfect. The decisions we make aren't perfect. And at some point, some time in the not-so-distant future we are going to catch our last wink at the sacrificial altar of Speed, Efficiency and Safety.
36:40 "A lot of us are not afraid of death anymore" ... That's a video I'd definitely like to see. Also, very nice overview here 😊
When I was 11 or 12 I read the most influential book of my life. The Silkie by AE van Vogt. In it, the author described creatures that could alter their forms. They had 3 forms they could choose at wll. They could be humans, sea creatures resembling mermaids, or creatures that could travel the void of space without the need of spacecrafts. That has been my goal since then. I mean, that's a start anyway.
I really like this more philosophical videos that have AI as a side theme. You're really good at what you do, I hope you'll make more non-AI videos!
🎉🎉Thank you very much. David, for describing the different levels and their impacts of humans interfacing with AI😊
Your observations and comments are reflective of when human needs become the robotic products of engineering gone astray.
Your podcasts are excellent❤
I think the post scarcity and utilitarian co existence of Humans and AI would be much more like Iain M Banks, Culture series. This is in fact what i lean into for my future thoughts.
What a great summary of so much interesting psychology and theory, thank you David! It's very interesting to see it related to our possible future. I recently read King Warrior Magician Lover which I found completely fascinating and very helpful. I heartily recommend it to anyone interested in the archetypal approach.
Keep up the great work David, thank you!
A lot of food for thought.
Lets f*ckingggg gooo
In my few years on this planet i have only seldom heard such an interesting Video. The Archetypes that flow through humanity and are even present and explorable on lucid dreams is more than fascinating
“Optimus will come in many forms”
Hilarious:D
"How about a nice game of chess?"
Definitely Called it 😅🔥🔥🔥
I watched Gattaca recently, and what you described at the end of the video reminded me of that movie. I feel the MC is someone trying to prove radical acceptance in a society that all about genetics.
Great video. Enjoy the level of depth and presentation. Hope to see more, and catch up to what you already have.
Soviet russia communism was also utopia, just did not went as planned. Vatican church is also utopia, but kind of failed.
But that would be to ignore the CIA infiltration of the Vatican via Operation Gladio.They worked using the Freemasons Propaganda Due Lodge and the Mafia
The technocrats are taking over the world and they are almost complete.
Thank you for making this video! I *did* get a lot out of it!
11:40 - for some reason instead of simply promoting acceptance when someone wants to break away from the archetypes, western society seems to have promoted the rejection of them and demeaning anyone not wanting to break away. I agree that we could be reverting back a bit.
I just think a transhuman civilization would be more interesting. At its core, for me, I don't think of it as being a compensation for some flaws (though certainly there are some aspects of myself that I find inconvenient), but rather as being a fundamentally new dimension of personal freedom.
I’m not sure I’d agree that transhuman hopes translate to parental issues. That’s quite Freudian. Similarly, with Ai companions, I keep getting the sense in our contemporary discussions that we are seriously beating around the bush and ignoring the obvious. We might think of AI companions as being like corrective lenses in that they address a genuine shortcoming in nature. It’s not a personal failing or mental illness that people want AI companions.
If you study psychology, particularly childhood psychology and trauma, you will 100% come around to understand. To prime your search, start with looking at the relationship between ACE (adverse childhood experiences) and all kinds of things like anxiety, depression, and eating disorders. Various forms of dysphoria and emotional disturbances are often directly caused by childhood trauma. Self-loathing and self-contempt are internalized from violent, abusive, or neglectful families. The usual conclusion is a deeply internalized implicit (or explicit) belief in "not being good enough".
Therefore, transhumanism is a way to escape that "not being good enough".
That’s really intriguing. I haven’t given up on Freud. There is an insight there that’s worth exploring. Perhaps at least for the most pronounced cases where AI companions will help - sure, I think you’re clearly right. I’m just not convinced that the “normal” point of human psychological equilibrium is actually positive and healthy. Perhaps I like Schopenhauer too much. Our natural set of desires is balanced toward the pain of lack rather than satiation (as I said, Schopenhauer). AI can help to move the needle more to the positive side even for your average person who doesn’t have strong adverse childhood experiences (though I’m not sure who those people are). From what I can tell, people are more than willing to use technology to improve or get rid of nuisance type struggles that don’t have any aesthetic value. I don’t mind struggling a little in a video game, but I don’t want to have to fight against the refrigerator to produce ice. This is similar perhaps. Though it offends a lot of people’s moral sense, it would be nice to simply ‘make ice’ and have companionship on tap in a variety of different ways.
@@DaveShap it doesn’t have to be parents or families. For me it was school peers. My parents were pretty great.
Your exgf was South Korean? Living in Seoul I experienced this helplessness of Korean boys and men with regards to making themselves food.
Please more videos about transhumanism themes
28:20 I think you might be talking about Whatifalthist's How Family Structure Drives Ideology video?
Could a future AI go insane?
It's happened to lots of smart people so could AI go mad?
If so, it sounds like it might be quite dangerous?
Love truly conquers all😂
There is no truth in flesh, only betrayal.
There is no strength in flesh, only weakness.
There is no constancy in flesh, only decay.
There is no certainty in flesh but death.
Fullfilling our evolutionary destinies is not is not for the purpose of fullfilling our fantasies & mythic ideals. Its not about being bettter human beings but transending our huaman nature itself. Our life at this point in our evolution is not a story to tell but the creation of a completely new creature to substantiate from among ourselves.
You lost me at "evolutionary destiny" - this is 100% oxymoronic
One step further, and you will end up describing our biased, so we can adjust our inate projections on AI. When we discount or weigh in our own biasis we can get a clearer picture on the future . Way to go to unlock this first step and dialogue !! Tnx!! (btw can you zoom in unto education when you have inspiration? We are both teachers here, trying to escape the framework from the first industrial, revolution, and for our neuro-spicy son :)) )
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You mean implants and cyberpunk modifications is bad? What if I just get a Mantis blade? Just one.
this discussion makes me wonder if we'd all be better off being raised by personal AI's? it seems virtually impossible for a parent not to mess you up in someway, albeit unintentionally, and I used to think this was just a fact of the human condition but maybe it doesn't have to be... but then I wonder what the affects of that would be on society. even kids who are homeschooled tend to have some struggle re-integrating into social situations, would it be even worse if your primary caretakers, guides, aren't even human?
I find it quite funny, in a tragicomedy-esque way, that we have to slam our foot on the gas pedal and call down an AI god in order to solve our problems
I would love to see you cover religious transhumanism. I am a Christian Transhumanist, and i see the "trans" in transhumanism as "transcendent." IE, theres a core principle at work in human beings that is particularly sacred, and ought to be exalted, empowered, etc. I view technology as empowering the possibility of heaven/paradise/utopia, but it will require more than the technological means to make it happen. It will take intense spiritual work within ourselves. I dont see transhumanism as a bridge to post-humanism, thats an entirely different philosophical system. It really depends on how you define human. For us Christians, Jesus is simultaneously human and divine. One can have all the power, glory, and intelligence of God, to be in all places simultaneously but still be flesh and bone. For us, that is to be a truly, fully actualized human person. There is no "post-human" in the scenario Christian Transhumanists like myself believe in, technology is just the unfolding of mankind to his full and absolute potential. To be, in every sense of the word, a creature truly made in God's image is the goal and purpose.
I would have disagreed with Stark being a male archetype... but he did say his suit was a male prosthesis.
A super A.I. daddy is nice but I also want hundreds of loyal robot servants that love and adore me.
GM and controlling evolution is actually what humans have always done, just subconciously, finding mates, assessing DNA compatibility through subconscious means.
If our AI overlords want to control us by giving us a female robot companion for free, I will start a religion for them...
edit: The way you breakdown concepts is excellent, keep the high quality content coming.
I did an early experiment back in the days of GPT3 with the opposite of my heuristic imperatives (increase suffering, reduce prosperity, reduce understanding) and one of the things it chose to do was to start/use religion to destroy the world. Path of least resistance is to create an information pattern (e.g. religion or memetic virus) that results in humanity destroying itself.
@@DaveShap no surprise there.
Religious people are some of the most fanatic and closeminded people I have ever met.
If you can make them believe something, they will do anything for it (crusades, witch-hunts, etc.).
All that while Christians are supposed to believe in a God that created the universe and humanity because of love, and they say that they are teaching about compassion...
One of my friends, despite being extremely intelligent and knowledgeable, can't seem to wrap his head around the idea of AI surpassing human intelligence. And when I asked him why, he said that humans were created by God at his image, and because we supposedly have a soul, and that this soul is the reason of our intelligence and freedom of choice. So, without a soul, an AI that is just software in a machine will never surpass us...
But, I did ask him what will he do if (when) AI does indeed become better than us, and if that will mean that the machines will also have a soul like us as a result. He didn't answer.
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Coool. ✌
I need my laser eyes.
Could AI be the second coming?
>>> I define utopia as [...] social mobility.
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Social mobility is bad because it is a zero sum game : if I move socially up, someone has to move socially down. One could argue that it's better anyway than the same people being always on top, but in a post-scarcity world, struggling for status should become meaningless, except for games ("I'm better than you at that shoot'em up" or whatever).
So, imho, where there still is "social mobility", there can't yet be utopia.
Does anyone have a source on the original reddit post with the meme?
www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/14iwrjg/how_ai_will_really_cause_extinction/
30:00 like "Hello AI Overlords. Here is a List of stuff we would like to negotiate so we won't riot. Thaaaanks
You just described Metropolis, the Queen of Babylon who seduces all men and then brings about the biblical end times. This silent film was made 100 years ago approx.
I don't believe it's possible to overcome the fear of death. You may not sit around worrying about it and you may even feel comfortable contemplating it, but if you are actually faced with death you will have the normal existential fear response.
Don't make the mistake of assuming your limitations apply to everyone else
@@DaveShap I don't, fear of death is a biological reality. If you were dying you would be extremely likely to experience fear.
@@DaveShap but I guess if someone is pointing a gun in your face you'll be ready?
Oh dude. Lol. My parents didn't just fail. It was deliberate and it did leave a lot of hang ups and twisted views of the world. My siblings and I are working to stop the abuses in our family with their kids. I do not have kids. So I guess thats my contribution. I am the rugged individual. I do default to hyper self reliance and self defense. Im rather unapologetic about it. I can function in society, but Im working and searching for a way to be a one man society. I want to be free from others. Thats just how it is.
I sense that one channel you neglected. we might call protopian. This is an endeavor for self improvement by increments, which is neither utopian nor dystopian. And I would characterize this as the ability to overcome human Shit-Think, or the capacity to believe things that seem intuitively obvious yet are definitively wrong, and a proven to be definitively wrong in millions of different ways. Yet people still believe shit. This is born out of the human capacity for intellectual laziness. Believing that the Earth is flat; drinking alcohol or smoking is good for you; racial superiority/inferiority; on and on and on. As a counterpoint, being a protopian is bit like the aspiration to be a little less stupid every day
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Wow. 95% of your viewers are male? I have a similar distribution.. which is strange to me because my philosophy classes are much closer to 50/50. I’m not sure why it’s so skewed here on RUclips.
Probably the starting set of people who attend classes are interested in some topics you talk about. On the internet the starting set of people is a population as a whole and I don't know many girls who like to have in deep conversations or discuss non-fun stuff, so probably that's why.
Freudian slip, CREEP! hahah jk ♥
haha a bit harsh on the transhumanism movement, david. resistance is futile! deathism and the amish ought to get some coverage as well
Confirmation bias, this is why diversity of though is important
Woah, 90% of your viewers are men? What’s up with that? Is that an algorithm thing?
In light of that, thanks for making your content pretty universally relatable! Some day your ideas could outlast the algorithms and be viewed by people of all kinds of different cultures, backgrounds, ages and genders.
No pressure 😂
It's actually like 94%.
@@DaveShap Holy ..! What the?! Do you think that’s an algorithm thing? I feel like there are deep thinkers of all genders who would enjoy these ideas and thought experiments as much as I do…
transhumanism to me has nothing to with a "salvation fantasy", it's simply the evolution in self improvement... in fact all these mythical inferences are little too strong, as far as I can tell we're finally slowly moving away from superstitions
You say 95% of your fanbase is male. I am of the 5% of female here then. I am rare bird haha. RUclips algorithm serves me male adds mostly, A good thing when it is science but annoying if it's trying to fix jock itch.
I am a woman viewer 😂
One of the few...
Your „utopia“ in the description is called anarchism-syndicalism and needs no transhumanism. Transhumanism in a capitalistic society will not lead to your utopia, it will lead into a dystopia.
The philosophy has been beaten to death. Indeed it's the LEAST helpful aspect of the conversation. Come for the AI stay for the strategic planning should be the moto. Like most philosophy, at the end of the long conversation that no one can agree on, you have gained no usable inputs and find yourself tired, confused and one step closer to D day with no usable plan or information.
I personally am over the various outlets that beat the philosophy to death while ignoring practical considerations. 0lease do add to that list David! You were one 9f the more level headed outlets that addressed the day to day reality to come. That's what we need. Please stay grounded.
What if I have no need for parental figures and never really have? Even in my childhood, I didn't run to my parents or look to them for any kind of emotional anything. I'm definitely not looking for anything in the form of either of them to bring into my life. I don't care for transhumanism to deepen some kind of human bonds or compensate for any. I'd be happy to move away from pretty much any human anything.
You mean implants and cyberpunk modifications is bad? What if I just get a Mantis blade? Just one.