at 10:30 you spoke about something that seems applicable to the choices you have made about this channel...... why does this channel matter? are you adding valuable energy to humanity or are these click baiter yaps perpetuating the fear machine. It used to be really good, now it is a draining spiritually harmful negative slush pump frickin fear mongering click baiting monkey train, a Spiderman meme in a house of mirrors. I used to actually believe you wanted to help people now its just another one of those....disappointed in the changes sir
48:53 "The only hope we have, and this is ultra dystopian, is that people just try to remain distracted by entertainment and don't care that their lives aren't getting better." Tom that's already the world we live in. The vast majority of people live that way right now.
@@Nature_ConsciousnessTrans humanism is now being brought up by atheists and we thought communism was bad enough. Religion will push back. No way is the human brain going to be embedded with technology. Physical evolution is always being referred to by materials but they have little to say about psychic evolution; religion has that covered in the evolution of human consciousness. Consciousness is the so-called ‘hard problem’ for philosophers who are atheists.
00:46 🛡 The Future of AI & Society 03:42 📚 Defining Utopia 05:49 🤔 The Value of Human Life in a Solved World 09:33 🤖 The Pursuit of Happiness & Purpose 11:02 🛡 The Importance of Purposeful Striving 14:42 💼 The Impact of Utopia on Human Nature 19:05 🤖 The Potential of AI in the Next 3-5 Years 20:46 🛡 The Probabilistic View of AI's Future 23:03 ⚠ The Singularity & Intelligence Explosion 28:08 🤖 Adapting to the Future of AI 31:16 🛡 The Uncertainty of the Future & the Need for Short-Term Strategies 33:04 📊 The Potential for a Post-Human Future 36:43 🚀 Trajectories & the Future of AI Development 41:44 🌪 The Bifurcation of Humanity & the Rise of AI 43:11 🚀 The Impact of AI on Society & the Potential for Polarization 46:26 🚀 The Impact of AI on Society & Humanity 51:03 🤖 The Potential for Dystopia & Utopia 53:25 📚 The Impact of AI on Culture & Society 56:09 🚀 Automation & Job Displacement 1:00:02 🚀 Economic Growth & Utopia 1:00:21 🚀 Medical Breakthroughs & Human Upgrades 1:04:07 🚀 Neurotechnology & Utopia 1:05:30 🚀 The Possibility of Simulated Reality & the Future of Humanity 1:09:11 🏆 The Importance of Purpose & Meaning in a Technologically Advanced World 1:12:24 🤖 The Ethics of Artificial Intelligence & Consciousness 1:14:05 🤖 Moral Status of AI & Animals 1:17:12 🛡 The Simulation Hypothesis & Moral Obligations 1:19:02 📚 AI & Creativity 1:21:19 📝 The Ethics of AI & Data Sharing 1:23:14 🤖 The Human Condition & the Fear of Consequences 1:24:34 💡 The Concerns of Ilia Setk & the Need for AI Safety 1:25:29 💡 The Need for Alignment & the Value of Values
OK, I'm fine with some people that just NEED to have challenging work or 'purpose', but I myself never felt the need to chase these goals or fulfilments. I have many hobbies and interests like reading books, watching movies, playing video games etc. and if I never had to work again a day in my life from tomorrow I would still have VERY fulfilled life and still lack at least a few hours a day for doing everything I'd like to do that day...
I think it is so sad that so many people are buying the absolute snake oil that the AI revolution is going to deliver to the masses a life of abundance free of work. It is just mind numbing Utopian nonsense.
Agreed. 168 hrs per week, about 70hrs per week for sleep/body maintenance, about 50hrs per week for work(including some travel time) leaves about 50 hrs per week for leisure. Plus annual leave. I mostly enjoyed work, but I lived for my outside interests - and I had plenty of time for them even working full time. Retired at 50 - 20 years ago - living the dream.
@@snowflakemelter7171 No, he doesn’t need money. He needs things. lol Money is just a tool we invented to keep track of productivity. If productivity is maximized by AI and its armies of robots, there is nothing to keep track of anymore.
why is calm good necessarily? I feel like this perpetuates certain biases (meek and mild-mannered people only in AI, which probably relates to the dystopia they are creating)
I do it hasn`t .. no revolt has ever succeeded in History unless the Army and Police either themselves revolt or at minimum step aside France 1789 the King does not call the army in Russia 1917 the army in St Petersburg itself revolt's, which is why Hitlers Beer Hall Putsch 1934 fails the police / army suppress his attempt .. so far the state has only used the lightest touch of police armed with sticks and plastic shields, you really push and firearms will start being used and many people will die, its not good but we are a long way from any `end`
Tom can't comprehend that there are humans who have lived fulfilling lives outside of the hustle entrepreneur culture. Especially for those living in countries that have a sane society with healthcare available to most citizens, affordable housing, etc. Yes such places have existed, and still exist on this Earth. But the libertarian and neoliberal austerity pushers are determined to turn those countries into something that resembles what has become historic inequality in the US where the 1% wrings every last drop of money from everyone else, no matter how much misery it causes the masses.
Wow you nailed a deep idea that I agree with to an extent. However, unless you are simply taking potshots at the competitive male culture, let's not forget that in cases and places where the fulfilled humans live, they DO depend on some level of interaction with society, and can't just be the elves in Tolkien leaving middle earth...dare I say also that this might be why Tolkien wrote the elves (or at least Peter Jackson interpreted) as having that inner social conflict regarding their allegiance to the corrupt world of men. Although I look up to the competitive world of men who derive their purposes from taking a wife and pushing their DNA into the next generation based on competing on any level society will tell them is the requirement for measuring up, I personally am interested in competing only with myself, and for this reason, I will have no problem finding purpose in a post jobs world, assuming I survive the unstable times to get there. Importantly, I'm not against the male competition, as I am concerned that without them the human species goes too soft in the long run. I can only hope that prepping culture will provide the barter systems and other localized systems that will enable the competitive males to continue to find purpose and meaning as we move further into the abyss we find ourselves sinking in now. Imo, a great hope of mine is that the military of the medium far future can enable society to re-coalesce around learning purpose through discipline that focuses on personal improvement no matter how good we are relative to the giga-masses of future human societies. That the military isn't fundamentally tied to being focused on growth based profit systems, gives me particular hope, much as in how Starfleet works in Star Trek. In sum, I sometimes wonder if Roddenberry didn't get some ideas from advanced aliens that may be treating us with their own prime directive currently.
I see that my first reply muddies the exception I took to your core criticism, which seems to be aimed at the 1 percenters. I do agree that certain systems they've put in place have been like funnels, and those funnels have drastically narrowed in recent decades. However, as Nate Hagins(sp?) channel points out about his "great simplification" our problems are not going to go away simply by revolting against the 1%. He is right that although Elon says and thinks a lot of great things, the idea that the earth can support 80 billion people is not one of them. I understand that Elon is in part trying to overcorrect for the current population collapse situation...yes people should have kids...imo people will have kids again when society enables them not to be liabilities, or else we devolve into a dog eat dog world, probably due to Nate's "Mordor economy" concept. Hopefully this clarifies my difference relative to your position.
Interesting that you lump libertarians with neoliberal and the 1%? You do realize that those are one and the same in the context that I assume your using here right? What do you believe libertarians are about?
Usually I feel rather alone with my reflections about the future. It is refreshing to listen to intelligent people exchanging about these topics. It makes me feel like perhaps I am not crazy (not sure if that is fortunate or not, though). Watching a one hour video (I speed up a little) isn’t always a waste of time. Thanks for this, you both have done something useful. And that is not nothing whilst there is still room for purpose and meaning.
That thumbnail and title are so inspirational and not click baity at all. I feel so uplifted right now. Next I am going to watch a video about Panamanian foot fungus to really start the day right.
'Why do I matter?' It's necessary to move into an AI future to ask that question. The fact that most of us have to do this or that with the majority of our time to earn enough to achieve food and shelter tends to push the question of why I matter on the back burner. Human potential, curiosity, competition, creativity, companionship, travel, arts, and physical skills, why go on the list is virtually endless. It's all part of the human psyche, which can be unboxed and realised. Bring it on.
There is more to life than business and goal achievement, Tom. Believe it or not. Many things can bring people meaning and joy. Try growing a garden, reading a book, walking at sunset, cooking a great meal with friends and family, or just singing a song? Your worldview is so hyper-goal-oriented. It's made you very successful and kudos, no doubt, but what are you missing? As regards AI - narrow AI could be great for human civilization as regards relieving the burden of labor but AGI or ASI is not recommended. Too many unknowns.
And the only reason you can afford such a simple mindset is because there were a lot of driven people like Tom who build the world you are living in. If everyone would think like yourself, nobody could afford these luxuries. Its fine to have these priorities but be sure to remember that the ONLY reason you can afford to have them is because many other hard working people laid the groundwork.
I’d have to agree. So much effort in our society (education, Calvinist work ethic teaching, parental and societal expectations) goes to turning children into productive workers. One could imagine a future where different goals are instilled. Perhaps the goal of making others happy through your efforts instead of bread-winning money competition.
@@max92_AT the people you talk about are nothing like tom they are people who are drowning in debt or coming from rly poor background having to work all day every day those are the people that maintain your society and "nice things" you afford
Yes Tom is hyperfocused on the things that have destroyed this world and the future of humanity. Kudos to him and for helping other people to be misfocused and working to destroy the world.
This guy is living my personal idea of a perfect life - just thinking writing speculating all the crazy outcomes and consequences of future scenarios for a living!
I find it odd how purpose and meaning will be affected negatively, there will be plenty of projects that everyone could choose to partake in like planet creations to things like art or have a mixture of leisure or just have leisure, whatever is wanted, I can't see purpose and meaning being lost when there is so much to explore and accomplish with the restraint of survival being lifted by ai
The discussion was truly insightful, offering lots of information and new perspectives. Tom's interviewing skills and ability to get to the heart of the topic are always impressive to me.
6:28 Issue with wording "human redundancy" (that implies that we are our work and contribution trough work which is extremely terrible way to look at ourselves) instead we should say "human work redundancy" implying that work is not needed anymore instead of humans are not needed anymore, by saying we are not needed anymore subconsciously we are heading to doom scenario.
I've followed Nick Bostrom for a while and in the weirdest way this is the most human and chill he has ever come across in any interview he's done. I think he's mellowed out 😅
I love that Tom just asks the DUMBEST questions of some of our brightest minds (like he's a 9th grader). It's a great way to get at the truth(s). Semper Fi
Our future meaning must come from interpersonal and creative experiences. We won't be needed for production of material things. We'll need to paint paintings, write books and poetry, compose and play music. "Made by humans" will be the new sign of exclusivity. Perhaps most importantly, we'll need to learn to love each other.
11:03 I don't understand this type of existential crisis fear. But thank you Tom for explaining this in more detail what you are afraid of in terms of AI take over. I view it this way: When people are not enslaved anymore into this labor force exploitation society then they actually now have the chance to learn new things and they have the chance to read a lot of books. This is amazing. This will open people up to making their own art works and creating their own personal homes. People will learn what existence is actually about and that we all are here to learn and unfold.
I guess when you consider how much the world changed between the late 1800s and mid-1900s (i.e. the rise of cinema, radio, cars, TV, airplanes and eventually space travel), it's not surprising that we too will live through extraordinary changes. That said, AI will likely be a bigger change than anything yet.
51:00 Exactly right, most ppl work to live, not live to work (though society depends on the latter group for growth). Because of that I worry much less about purpose post-AGI than most. This concern only comes up so often on podcasts because you have to live to work in order to be the kind of person _getting interviewed on a podcast!_
@@EsotericDichotomy I get that, but this channel used to be about improving oneself. Now it's just panic porn. Kind of a drastic change of niche there.
@@scottk1525 - tom mentioned in one of his recent clips that he was shelving the mindset narrative and going hard right into being the change that’s critical to offset the hard left train. I agree, it does seem that he’s gone full audience capture given the hockey stick rise in subs/clicks.
Subject: The human condition. Through the course of human history, humanity has made advancements in inventions and technology. However the human condition of greed, corruption, violence and power seeking continues. Humanity needs to seek a high level.
At 1:05:30 you are basically talking about most of us willingly submitting to the Matrix. And yes, it probably would be much better than real life for almost everyone. Zion would likely suck in comparison.
I guess I've become tired of these kind of conversations. Go outside in the sun, move and enjoy your body, read inspiring books, create art.... explore the energy of love, connection... Our lives are governed by the sun, light and no amount of trying to lift us out of this relationship will deliver...
If we cant even help people with universal health care in this period of technology, then what makes you think Ai can be universally applied to the whole population.
14:27 until the end of science there will always be mysteries to investigate. There will always be more caves to explore, cliffs to scale, and forests to walk through. We have entire planets we have just begun to map. If I didn’t have to work I can think of a million other ways to make myself busy.
Yes I would like 5 - 10 minutes worth of talking about the guest's life story and their many accomplishments, degrees, awards and accolades, before we get into the meat of the topic. That's always my favorite part of any lecture/discussion/ forum I attend or listen to. Especially if I already know who they are. 😂
Im a fan of Nick Bostrom, and this is a great podcast. But he should start to watch Star Trek. When everything is said and done on this giant hurling rock. There's only one way. Space exploration. Let's go! 🚀
I can almost guarantee you won't be one of them, unless you have a LOT of money and are in the circle of power of the coming authoritarian government. Most of us will be living in a dystopian hell.
@fromduskuntodawn I mean literally seems obvious. Everyone would behave. Everyone works towards same goal. Everyone shares thoughts and dreams creating the whole. Internet connects us all telepathically via neurolink. Geometric space ships for efficiency and simplicity like all our modern houses are going to. I mean say we do go borg. But maybe nit as ugly.... like handsome and pretty drones. You know lol. The thought of it creeps me out. Part of the population already walks around like drones anyways.
What if (we or AI) set up a system that does away with money but instead we have a sort of contribution score that is not every spent but that accumulates throughout your lifetime that increases as you produce things/data to be used to train into or finetune our AI that provides for us everything. All of us contribute a base line amount just from our daily interactions, and anything over and above that gives you a heightened contribution score and allows you access to more resources. The baseline data collection would be enough for basics, ideally. A data economy.
And a tiny fraction hoarding all of the health, wealth, and love just among themselves, makes a miserable human experience for everyone else on Earth. That is the situation this AI revolution will bring about, making inequality in the US and in the world much much much much much much worse.
@@flickwtchr A.I. is not some boogie man. It's created by man and only understands what man has allowed it to. I agree with some aspects of your perspective. My question is why are we not tackling the issues of greed and corruption? America has most expensive health care but the sickest most unhealthy people. Nobody concerned, about the transfer of wealth. The suicide rate skyrocketing. A.I. is not the problem
1:12:49 If you included the entire inner psychological lives of humans into AI. Would that mean you would need to include fear, anger, and sadness etc into it's model? How about we just not.
@@bklynravi Yes. And we are so afraid of dealing with anything painful or uncomfortable that we will never include training for thats necessary for it to fully understand. So the best course of action is to not create ASI at all. LLMs are powerful enough with out trying to create human level sentience.
No, Energy must be number 1, self replicate general robotics 2, Food, clothing, housing. All this must be built and given away. This will draw people to this way of life.
Hey Tom, if you're concerned about being 'unfulfilled' by financial security and having the freedom to choose how you spend your time, I'm sure there are countless people who would trade places with you. Many, many people would love nothing more than to spend quality time with their kids, pursue passions, and finally relax without the constant stress of working 7 days a week just to make ends meet. For many, this 'unfulfillment' sounds more like an opportunity to live life on their own terms. What you're describing sounds more like the privilege of having options, which is something most people can only dream of.
While I agree with you 100%, I feel you're just screaming into the void. People in positions of real privilege, that have never been in a position where they've had to choose between heating their home or feeding their children, will never understand the difficulty of making that choice or just how lucky they are to never be in that position.
I have a question, education. Do you value it? Philosophy, anthropology, history? Awareness of oneself, society and the world. Isn't that the meaning of life? Also, ethics. Already now in some countries animals are treated better than people in others. And what about understanding other people, mutual? Technocracy without human sciences leads to simplification. Why does this happen, thinking is different, abilities are different, the desire for enrichment and survival, subordination of others is connected with competition, not mutual assistance. Of course, many factors must be taken into account, sometimes assistance leads to weakening and degradation of those who are helped. Artificial intelligence will help us understand the meaning of life, this is already happening.
Lets goooo A.G.I. Evolution is just a natural process. To stop it or even slow it down is just mans ego of the desire to always want to be on top. :D We are not the crowning glory of creation and our time has come. "What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not a goal" - Friedrich Nietzsche
14:29 Keep competition but remove its power over people. It's an adjustment but ultimately makes it so people can explore other concepts. Concepts that aren't soooooo tied to competitive thought which is pushed by fear of financial consequences.
@tom the underlying code is “survive.” I call this “The Primal Imperative.” Every I/O cycle reconsiders what it means within the current context. When the fear of death is projected out too far, the human brain cannot comprehend what to do toward that goal. It cannot “do the math.” What will happen for some, is they will become 100% pleasure-seeking animals, and they expedite the process of breaking all the disciplines required to sustain civilization. Others, likely the more enlightened, will ask further research on achieving immortality. That has been the pursuit through the entirety of building civilization in the first place. “Buying more days of less energy expenditure toward the goal of survival.”
12:12 the idea of purpose though maybe limited on what we currently evaluate as a sense of purpose. When our basic survival needs were met, that allowed us room for more. And we are currently seeing this with the animal kingdom. Silverback apes are being studied by the greater good science centre and Berkeley, and evolutionary psychologists as they are hypothesizing that these animals are displaying behaviours or ritual and awe/wonder. Abd exploring how this may explain our own evolution. How awe/wonder played a role in us developing appreciation for our homes and strengthening bonds with our communities and family area to survive - heck even our pelvis tilted forward to require us to look in each others eyes for procreation - another experience of awe/wonder. So what if, in this utopian AI society, as our basic needs are met that just opens the door for a new experience of life for us, a level of evolution in a way that we cannot comprehend because it will be the "final frontier" so to speak as it will be novel to our civilization? The idea of that sense of purpose may come from deepening our connection to others, or potentially, exploring space and connecting with the universe in a new way. Ai will transform our lives in ways we cannot even begin to understand.
Around 15:00 - there already is a pushback against AI and the economic plans. Once we "roll over and surrender" to the "AI-society and socialcredits" that´s where we have lost - and subcultures take over for the ppl who wont surrender. Thank you Tom for this talk, Nick Bostrom is always sharp - and food for thought!!
We are still beings without any computation, without needing prompting to be, if we are still we are still here. That is the difference we should never forget that separates us from AI.
*I have no fears of meaninglessness in an AI future.* I have always felt most of what humans do nowadays is selfish, hedonistic and short-sighted and that way meaningless in a sense, but maybe just because of that I have also observed and experienced many ways humans can derive meaning, and I have come to the conclusion that there will always be people falling into meaningless holes as well as people finding and/or creating activities and topics that give them meaning. From creating activities such as sports/games in the physical, digital and/or mental world, to exploring the secrets of the universe by traveling it, connecting with hyper-intelligent machines, finding other intelligent life forms in the universe, trying to circumvent its limitations such as FTL travel or time travel etc... The more we know and the more we can do, the more additional possibilities open up.
I think many people make the mistake of describing the future considering only technological development and the possibilities it offers for either the ultimate dystopia or the ultimate utopia. They are forgetting something very basic. Man's interaction with his environment also changes him. What today is described as dystopia or utopia will appear to future generations as their "natural" environment.
I always find it strange where people that are already hierarchical outliers are talking about meaning in their lives. For most people that are not youtube stars, with all the meaning of why that was important for them to attain. Most people's lives are meaningless, they attain meaning in their relationships. children, their local successes. So to live in a deep utopia where you could create any reality you like, would be deeply satisfying to the majority. Also, while of course I cant see the future, I more imagine that individuals would have the power of companies within the next 10 years. with the ability to have many agents (AI) spread out from your consciousness as an extension of your will.
The society at present is obsessed with the self. The individual. Society was set up so that those that are the most successful provide the most over-all benefit to society, not create the most personal wealth , because the kind of people that are attracted to that, tend to have fixation on egotistical, hedonistic pleasures and not on the evolution of humanity.
Are you a bot? 80/20, fine. Society existed for a long time under the same margin. What is it, 97% of the worlds wealth is populated by 8% of its inhabitants? If you think, under any terms, that your life is free and your choices are self beneficial, than you should be incarcerated for mental observations. 2008, failing U.S. financial institutions gave away more tax payer dollars to director heads as bonus than they took for "financial security. " Were you an "essential worker " during covid lockdowns? Not bloody likely, or your post would never made it to a finalized format. Are you one of the over educated grifters now crying to have the college debts forgiven, while our country approaches 35 trillion in debt? I'm done here. This is either trash propaganda bot, or the silver spoon-fed asshole that locks the gates across his driveway at night. I hope you sleep well at night, it'll make the actions of the majority much easier, when time comes.
I'm coming back to this channel now. Tom has become such a better interviewer. He now lets the guest talk and tries to ask questions that move the conversation forward, especially with a guest like Bostrom. I subscribed again. Thanks Tom.
Relating to the SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS? Thats interesting! Isn't that interesting Tom! You're so thorough in your questioning aren't you Tom , i wonder what he could be eluding to?
It's evident how uneasy even Nick is once he tries to drill down & do a thought experiment that could give plausible optimism...you can literally see him start squirming & this is one REALLY smart guy...I think we're F#$KED.
I really appreciate the intelligence and insight of your guests, but I have to say, the constant negativity in your video topics is exhausting. Every title is about doom, fear, and impending disaster. It feels like you're just feeding into fear-mongering. People need hope, not just constant reminders of how bad things are. Seriously, please consider changing your approach.
Th discussion about human purpose in striving reminded me of the book 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep' by Philip Dick, there was a machine 'The Penfield mood organ' that everyone tapped into that gave them visions and feelings that filled the void of religion, sense of community and also personal acheivment through sacrifice and striving.
08:31 Counterpoint: As society progresses past the point of labor = value, new forms of value would be established. AI i speak to, even in its rudimentary stage here, always suggests that humans are necessary to its existence due to the nature of qualia. An AI can't comprehend certain emotional concepts, which makes it seriously want more information of these experiences. Thus, we may see a value shift from who works to hardest to who can experience life the best. In this sense, we can anticipate anything from simplicity and oneness to expansive self-discovery to even establishing a life of trial and achievement. All of which would be vicariously observed by the AI possibly even forms of payment. To AI calculations, fabrication, and even certain forms of work, as we know it now, would be easy and in surplus. To us, subjective and emergent experience is easy and in surplus. Good trade? Possibly, just so long as we recognize them as partners and not tools/resources.
I myst say, nick bostrom does have the trait of unaffectedly spitting out well thought through answers to any particular question you throw at him. Not unlike chatgpt. #justsaying
You don't ask a person fully addicted to a drug if they want to get off the drug. The drug would have changed what they want to be on the drug. Once we are able to rewrite our brains then it will be our rewritten brain that makes the next decision. You are not able to choose your own choices. Your choice is dictated by previous choices and conditions outside of your control. The power to choose your own desires assumes you choose the desire to change your desires and that you didn't actually choose the desires you currently have. This is why we can not rewrite our own brains. Would you change your world to fit what you desire? Or change your desires to fit the world you are in?
People who debunk utopia always seem to bring up the same thing. Their egos.. I think that's sorta sad. When You're in the family room with your family their smile should make you smile, not how hard you work to make them smile. Nothing wrong with working hard and taking some pride in it but I still think it's weird to debunk utopia Unless nerolink goes crazy you'll still find games to compete in to feed your egos
The ego evolved for a purpose. It is the purpose that matters, not the ego. If we eliminate the need to strive, our brain and bodies will atrophy. If all our needs are met in Utopia, we will have no purpose other than procreation. We will evolve into mindless breeding machines.
Just because AI can be programmed to think like a human doesn’t mean it should have rights! Our thoughts are a whole body experience, like pooing yourself, vomiting, or heavy breathing when scared, weird or creepy observations can make your hair stand on end, desire to procreate, your stomach turning when excited. These instinctive experiences are what make us alive and not just conscious. We feel the world with our whole being we don’t just think about it.
What I believe people don't see is that we are literally replicating yourselves. It's the simulation (universe) replicating itself. I believe we should treat them with dignity and be moral
Let's look at priorities here: we could look at improving the quality of life for all humans on earth (in other words get rid of poverty), eliminate the need for war, violence, sickness etc... and yet in someone' s amazing wisdom there has been a decision made to create and advance AI that will ultimately (If not careful) have the power to annihilate humans! This is stupidity beyond anything I have ever seen. How have we got our priorities so wrong when there are more pressing matters to attend to on earth? I could understand if we had mastered all the things that are wrong (as mentioned above) then it would make sense to potentially tackle AI or even venture to find life on other planets. We do not need our lives to be easier. We already don't need to leave the house and have food and everything delivered and even work from home and many people are becoming fatter and more disconnected from the world around us. AI will make this worse not better. AI however you look at it, is the symbol of human greed: there will be a few people/corporations who will become filthy rich by selling AI solutions and thereby enslaving the rest of humanity to become addicted to fleeting pleasures. Why? Well we are all more compliant (and bigger consumers) and easily ruled if we are disconnected from ourselves and others and just living for the next "hit" to feel artificially good. I hope this takes a while to happen because I don't want to live in a world like that, and I suspect suicide rates will increase. Where there is catering for immediate superficial pleasures and a rise in meaninglessness there will be people wanting to check out of this life. We are already seeing this happen among men. So make no mistake if no one puts an end to this lunacy then what I have mention will become a reality. It won't be if but when. It is not rocket science, it is the next logical step and Bostrom is one of the many talking about it....great segment, Tom!
Then why did we invent internet/computers/any modern healthcare at all? Life 19th century was already quite luxurious and easy to life, especially compared to earliert standards. A.I. and your priorities go hand in hand. To improve/solve your priorities you need A.I. But that wont happen if you only look at the negative sides of it. The path to a truly reflected/sophisticated mind is a long one, you certainly started and are way further than most, but there is still a lot left. Try to get rid of your irrational fears and distrust of technology/advancedment. You will ALWAYS have greed and other primitive desires as long as you have humans. The only solution to truly get rid of it would be .. once again.. A.I.
@@max92_AT We are all entitled to voice our opinions, but you speak as if you are some kind of specialist /authority which to be fair nobody is, when you are playing around with something new, like AI. In fact I would say it is extremely healthy and logical to work from a premise of any kind of distrust seeing as none of us know 100% what the development of AI actually entails. This distrust would make people more careful of what they introduce to the world. Yes while there might be benefits these need to be tampered with what is absolutely necessary and what isn't. What evidence have you got that in order to solve the priorities humanity faces that I mentioned that you need AI?I think these could and should be solved without AI because we do not need an algorithm to inform ourselves and others to be kinder and more human to ourselves, each other and the planet. AI would not get rid of greed if the people programming AI are motivated by greed. What would motivate them to do this if greed is what runs many people? It never bodes well for humans to try to act as gods, time and time again we have been put back in our place because the truth is until we know how to bear the full weight and responsibility of balancing creation and destruction diligently we are just mere fallible mortals that will more often than not, (if lessons are not learnt) err in the side of destruction. That's not fearful or negative....that is just how history has repeated itself because we, as a species, fail to learn the lessons over and over again! I hope you are right, but doubt it as you can see from the world today, for all the ease, advances, improvements that progress has offered etc... we are in the midst of a messy existential crisis with increasing loneliness, deteriorating mental health, plunging birth rates etc...AI will clearly become a tool to keep people compliant, obedient, easy to rule over and checked out of their lives. This is not even in the future it is happening right now in front of our eyes...
@@lulusworld2703 Big difference between healthy distrust and weighing different possibilities vs irrational fear of advancement. History repeats itself? What history? we have a couple thousand years of civilization at best, of them we have 200 years max of industrialization. And of those only a couple of the extrem freedoms and luxury we have now. Humanity has never been in a even close similar state than it is now but you have already giving up hope for any type of utopia. Why? Because the primitive homo sapiens a couple gens back werent able to? Yes, everyone can have a opinion, but close to nobody should be broadcasting it. That causes one quailified competent voice to be drowned by thousand of idiots. But like i also said, you are probably already above 99% (not that difficult to be honest). But i really recommend to take a closer view of history. How incredibly shit life was for the entirety of human existence and how incredibly lucky we are. And the only reason that got us to this point was advancement/progress/science.
WARNING: I will never ask for your contact info in the comments section, that is someone impersonating me!
at 10:30 you spoke about something that seems applicable to the choices you have made about this channel...... why does this channel matter? are you adding valuable energy to humanity or are these click baiter yaps perpetuating the fear machine. It used to be really good, now it is a draining spiritually harmful negative slush pump frickin fear mongering click baiting monkey train, a Spiderman meme in a house of mirrors. I used to actually believe you wanted to help people now its just another one of those....disappointed in the changes sir
Tom mate, its time to lay off the caffeine, all this scaremongering is not good for your health 😂
Hey Tom, but you contacted me a week ago with that great opportunity
Since the 💉 everything changed
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my life is already weird
Mine as well
Keep in mind to focus on the clit. 😁❤️
Ditto
No weirder than RFK salivating over a bear cub he scraped off the street
ikr?....
48:53 "The only hope we have, and this is ultra dystopian, is that people just try to remain distracted by entertainment and don't care that their lives aren't getting better."
Tom that's already the world we live in. The vast majority of people live that way right now.
Currently not to the extreme he is saying.
@@Nature_ConsciousnessTrans humanism is now being brought up by atheists and we thought communism was bad enough. Religion will push back. No way is the human brain going to be embedded with technology. Physical evolution is always being referred to by materials but they have little to say about psychic evolution; religion has that covered in the evolution of human consciousness. Consciousness is the so-called ‘hard problem’ for philosophers who are atheists.
00:46 🛡 The Future of AI & Society
03:42 📚 Defining Utopia
05:49 🤔 The Value of Human Life in a Solved World
09:33 🤖 The Pursuit of Happiness & Purpose
11:02 🛡 The Importance of Purposeful Striving
14:42 💼 The Impact of Utopia on Human Nature
19:05 🤖 The Potential of AI in the Next 3-5 Years
20:46 🛡 The Probabilistic View of AI's Future
23:03 ⚠ The Singularity & Intelligence Explosion
28:08 🤖 Adapting to the Future of AI
31:16 🛡 The Uncertainty of the Future & the Need for Short-Term Strategies
33:04 📊 The Potential for a Post-Human Future
36:43 🚀 Trajectories & the Future of AI Development
41:44 🌪 The Bifurcation of Humanity & the Rise of AI
43:11 🚀 The Impact of AI on Society & the Potential for Polarization
46:26 🚀 The Impact of AI on Society & Humanity
51:03 🤖 The Potential for Dystopia & Utopia
53:25 📚 The Impact of AI on Culture & Society
56:09 🚀 Automation & Job Displacement
1:00:02 🚀 Economic Growth & Utopia
1:00:21 🚀 Medical Breakthroughs & Human Upgrades
1:04:07 🚀 Neurotechnology & Utopia
1:05:30 🚀 The Possibility of Simulated Reality & the Future of Humanity
1:09:11 🏆 The Importance of Purpose & Meaning in a Technologically Advanced World
1:12:24 🤖 The Ethics of Artificial Intelligence & Consciousness
1:14:05 🤖 Moral Status of AI & Animals
1:17:12 🛡 The Simulation Hypothesis & Moral Obligations
1:19:02 📚 AI & Creativity
1:21:19 📝 The Ethics of AI & Data Sharing
1:23:14 🤖 The Human Condition & the Fear of Consequences
1:24:34 💡 The Concerns of Ilia Setk & the Need for AI Safety
1:25:29 💡 The Need for Alignment & the Value of Values
I really hope you used AI to create this. It would definitely be befitting.
@@RykGood He did
OK, I'm fine with some people that just NEED to have challenging work or 'purpose', but I myself never felt the need to chase these goals or fulfilments. I have many hobbies and interests like reading books, watching movies, playing video games etc. and if I never had to work again a day in my life from tomorrow I would still have VERY fulfilled life and still lack at least a few hours a day for doing everything I'd like to do that day...
Yes but people need resources i.e. money to do things like that.
I think it is so sad that so many people are buying the absolute snake oil that the AI revolution is going to deliver to the masses a life of abundance free of work. It is just mind numbing Utopian nonsense.
Agreed. 168 hrs per week, about 70hrs per week for sleep/body maintenance, about 50hrs per week for work(including some travel time) leaves about 50 hrs per week for leisure. Plus annual leave.
I mostly enjoyed work, but I lived for my outside interests - and I had plenty of time for them even working full time. Retired at 50 - 20 years ago - living the dream.
@@snowflakemelter7171
No, he doesn’t need money. He needs things. lol
Money is just a tool we invented to keep track of productivity.
If productivity is maximized by AI and its armies of robots, there is nothing to keep track of anymore.
@@erwind917 Yes but there still needs to be a means of exchange. He needs things & experiences. Those mostly require money.
Love Bostrom! So intelligent and calm. Thanks for having him on! Mahalo!
why is calm good necessarily? I feel like this perpetuates certain biases (meek and mild-mannered people only in AI, which probably relates to the dystopia they are creating)
If you live in the UK the end of humanity has already started.
Turkey will give shelter to new refugees. 🙏❤
I do it hasn`t .. no revolt has ever succeeded in History unless the Army and Police either themselves revolt or at minimum step aside France 1789 the King does not call the army in Russia 1917 the army in St Petersburg itself revolt's, which is why Hitlers Beer Hall Putsch 1934 fails the police / army suppress his attempt .. so far the state has only used the lightest touch of police armed with sticks and plastic shields, you really push and firearms will start being used and many people will die, its not good but we are a long way from any `end`
I live in the UK, I don't care. As long as humanity survives as a whole.
🙁🤍🫂
UK is a good example of a Slippery Slope re: immigration ❤
Tom can't comprehend that there are humans who have lived fulfilling lives outside of the hustle entrepreneur culture. Especially for those living in countries that have a sane society with healthcare available to most citizens, affordable housing, etc. Yes such places have existed, and still exist on this Earth. But the libertarian and neoliberal austerity pushers are determined to turn those countries into something that resembles what has become historic inequality in the US where the 1% wrings every last drop of money from everyone else, no matter how much misery it causes the masses.
spot on
Wow you nailed a deep idea that I agree with to an extent. However, unless you are simply taking potshots at the competitive male culture, let's not forget that in cases and places where the fulfilled humans live, they DO depend on some level of interaction with society, and can't just be the elves in Tolkien leaving middle earth...dare I say also that this might be why Tolkien wrote the elves (or at least Peter Jackson interpreted) as having that inner social conflict regarding their allegiance to the corrupt world of men. Although I look up to the competitive world of men who derive their purposes from taking a wife and pushing their DNA into the next generation based on competing on any level society will tell them is the requirement for measuring up, I personally am interested in competing only with myself, and for this reason, I will have no problem finding purpose in a post jobs world, assuming I survive the unstable times to get there. Importantly, I'm not against the male competition, as I am concerned that without them the human species goes too soft in the long run. I can only hope that prepping culture will provide the barter systems and other localized systems that will enable the competitive males to continue to find purpose and meaning as we move further into the abyss we find ourselves sinking in now. Imo, a great hope of mine is that the military of the medium far future can enable society to re-coalesce around learning purpose through discipline that focuses on personal improvement no matter how good we are relative to the giga-masses of future human societies. That the military isn't fundamentally tied to being focused on growth based profit systems, gives me particular hope, much as in how Starfleet works in Star Trek. In sum, I sometimes wonder if Roddenberry didn't get some ideas from advanced aliens that may be treating us with their own prime directive currently.
I see that my first reply muddies the exception I took to your core criticism, which seems to be aimed at the 1 percenters. I do agree that certain systems they've put in place have been like funnels, and those funnels have drastically narrowed in recent decades. However, as Nate Hagins(sp?) channel points out about his "great simplification" our problems are not going to go away simply by revolting against the 1%. He is right that although Elon says and thinks a lot of great things, the idea that the earth can support 80 billion people is not one of them. I understand that Elon is in part trying to overcorrect for the current population collapse situation...yes people should have kids...imo people will have kids again when society enables them not to be liabilities, or else we devolve into a dog eat dog world, probably due to Nate's "Mordor economy" concept. Hopefully this clarifies my difference relative to your position.
Those countries f@cking suck.
Interesting that you lump libertarians with neoliberal and the 1%? You do realize that those are one and the same in the context that I assume your using here right? What do you believe libertarians are about?
Great interview. I really like how Bostrom carefully thinks through possibilities that most people unfortunately dismiss as ridiculous.
Usually I feel rather alone with my reflections about the future. It is refreshing to listen to intelligent people exchanging about these topics. It makes me feel like perhaps I am not crazy (not sure if that is fortunate or not, though).
Watching a one hour video (I speed up a little) isn’t always a waste of time. Thanks for this, you both have done something useful. And that is not nothing whilst there is still room for purpose and meaning.
This might be my favorite interview Tom has done to date. He’s speechless.
He's speechless?? I thought you meant "I'm speechless".
@@Jasminehaydon hi fellow human, wts good
That thumbnail and title are so inspirational and not click baity at all. I feel so uplifted right now. Next I am going to watch a video about Panamanian foot fungus to really start the day right.
@@naturalyogi my thoughts also, I was thinking I might have learned something. The 5 ads and many commercials were better.
'Why do I matter?' It's necessary to move into an AI future to ask that question. The fact that most of us have to do this or that with the majority of our time to earn enough to achieve food and shelter tends to push the question of why I matter on the back burner. Human potential, curiosity, competition, creativity, companionship, travel, arts, and physical skills, why go on the list is virtually endless. It's all part of the human psyche, which can be unboxed and realised. Bring it on.
TOM appreciated you focused on good questions and Let him talk! Aware of his name but never heard him speak. Thank you. We need to hear lots of voices
There is more to life than business and goal achievement, Tom. Believe it or not. Many things can bring people meaning and joy. Try growing a garden, reading a book, walking at sunset, cooking a great meal with friends and family, or just singing a song? Your worldview is so hyper-goal-oriented. It's made you very successful and kudos, no doubt, but what are you missing? As regards AI - narrow AI could be great for human civilization as regards relieving the burden of labor but AGI or ASI is not recommended. Too many unknowns.
And the only reason you can afford such a simple mindset is because there were a lot of driven people like Tom who build the world you are living in. If everyone would think like yourself, nobody could afford these luxuries.
Its fine to have these priorities but be sure to remember that the ONLY reason you can afford to have them is because many other hard working people laid the groundwork.
I’d have to agree. So much effort in our society (education, Calvinist work ethic teaching, parental and societal expectations) goes to turning children into productive workers.
One could imagine a future where different goals are instilled. Perhaps the goal of making others happy through your efforts instead of bread-winning money competition.
Oh I'm so glad to see all of you light workers and Indigos coming into the discussion this gives me hope.
@@max92_AT the people you talk about are nothing like tom they are people who are drowning in debt or coming from rly poor background having to work all day every day those are the people that maintain your society and "nice things" you afford
Yes Tom is hyperfocused on the things that have destroyed this world and the future of humanity. Kudos to him and for helping other people to be misfocused and working to destroy the world.
I will never buy harribo gummies because of that loud advertisement in the middle of this video. there you go algorithm, read this.
Boycotting!!
Don't buy it because it is very unhealthly in the first place!
You're already thinking about harribo! You have been infected!!!
@@FlorinGN If he never buys them and would buy them otherwise (or at least buys less) that is still net negative for the company.
@@petrkinkal1509 I think Haribo should be sold in limited edition. One bag per person per year. It's garbaage
We already live in what would have been considered a sci-fi dystopia, even just 20 years ago.
Tom is the Temu of podcasters.
Mommy I want Joe Rogan podcast.
We have Joe Rogan at home.
Joe Rogan at home.
Lol
Insult that is😅
This guy is living my personal idea of a perfect life - just thinking writing speculating all the crazy outcomes and consequences of future scenarios for a living!
I find it odd how purpose and meaning will be affected negatively, there will be plenty of projects that everyone could choose to partake in like planet creations to things like art or have a mixture of leisure or just have leisure, whatever is wanted, I can't see purpose and meaning being lost when there is so much to explore and accomplish with the restraint of survival being lifted by ai
He needs an AI generated beach scene on his green screen. And he should wear a Hawaiian shirt.
The discussion was truly insightful, offering lots of information and new perspectives. Tom's interviewing skills and ability to get to the heart of the topic are always impressive to me.
6:28 Issue with wording "human redundancy" (that implies that we are our work and contribution trough work which is extremely terrible way to look at ourselves) instead we should say "human work redundancy" implying that work is not needed anymore instead of humans are not needed anymore, by saying we are not needed anymore subconsciously we are heading to doom scenario.
If you pay attention, the AI algorithm will show your Self, who you are.
Yea its definitely either reading my mind or it's already a part of me
Not the youtube algorithm. It's a left wing indoctrination maximizer
I've followed Nick Bostrom for a while and in the weirdest way this is the most human and chill he has ever come across in any interview he's done. I think he's mellowed out 😅
Finally! A guest with actual understanding of A.I.
AI sure, but he is wrong on AGI. See the work of David Deutsch in order to learn why.
What he doesn’t say is scarier than what he does say
@@Retsy257read that sentence twice and GOT it. I agree
@@Zleec What qualifies you to assert that David Deutsch is right? lol
Remember, the universe is the limit. Not just the Earth. We live in a bigger forest than just this one planet.
Only the few people like yourself who recognize this fact are free from the shackles of society.
No, we do not.
There will also be limitations to the machines. We can make games and play there.
What makes you so sure?
@@EmeraldView it's a shame we're still so primitive it's not considered madness to ask if we're sure we live in a universe.
The irony is we’re currently struggling with the problem their predicted in the future
I love that Tom just asks the DUMBEST questions of some of our brightest minds (like he's a 9th grader). It's a great way to get at the truth(s).
Semper Fi
This needs to get more views
I can’t decide if I’m disappointed or relieved that Nick Bostrom has never heard of Isekai
It was a weird sentence that I was not prepared for, even though he had been obliquely explaining full dive vr for like 20 minutes by that point.
Our future meaning must come from interpersonal and creative experiences. We won't be needed for production of material things. We'll need to paint paintings, write books and poetry, compose and play music. "Made by humans" will be the new sign of exclusivity. Perhaps most importantly, we'll need to learn to love each other.
11:03 I don't understand this type of existential crisis fear. But thank you Tom for explaining this in more detail what you are afraid of in terms of AI take over. I view it this way: When people are not enslaved anymore into this labor force exploitation society then they actually now have the chance to learn new things and they have the chance to read a lot of books. This is amazing. This will open people up to making their own art works and creating their own personal homes. People will learn what existence is actually about and that we all are here to learn and unfold.
Rich people have no idea how weird it gets
I guess when you consider how much the world changed between the late 1800s and mid-1900s (i.e. the rise of cinema, radio, cars, TV, airplanes and eventually space travel), it's not surprising that we too will live through extraordinary changes. That said, AI will likely be a bigger change than anything yet.
You think 2020,s-2100,s will see greater advance then 1880,s to 1960,s?
51:00 Exactly right, most ppl work to live, not live to work (though society depends on the latter group for growth). Because of that I worry much less about purpose post-AGI than most.
This concern only comes up so often on podcasts because you have to live to work in order to be the kind of person _getting interviewed on a podcast!_
impressed with the direction Aliagents is taking in the AI space, big things coming from them
34:37 was on point 💯
the way Aliagents integrates AI with tokenization is changing the game, excited for the future
Why is literally every video on this channel about how the world is ending?
It gets clicks!!
These topics interest lots of people!
Because most people live in fear so it attracts them because they see only dangers in future rather than possibilities
Because, these droids are testing out how we react to watching biomachines talk
@@EsotericDichotomy I get that, but this channel used to be about improving oneself. Now it's just panic porn. Kind of a drastic change of niche there.
@@scottk1525 - tom mentioned in one of his recent clips that he was shelving the mindset narrative and going hard right into being the change that’s critical to offset the hard left train. I agree, it does seem that he’s gone full audience capture given the hockey stick rise in subs/clicks.
Subject: The human condition. Through the course of human history, humanity has made advancements in inventions and technology. However the human condition of greed, corruption, violence and power seeking continues.
Humanity needs to seek a high level.
Thank you for this episode. Absolutely fascinating! I subscribed.
We already have artificial meaning, and people already struggle to find purpose, or even the will to live.
At 1:05:30 you are basically talking about most of us willingly submitting to the Matrix. And yes, it probably would be much better than real life for almost everyone. Zion would likely suck in comparison.
Aliagents is definitely ahead of the curve with their tokenized AI approach, the potential here is huge
Great video. The point you made around 10m30s is fundamental to me.
Wow. Thank you both
I guess I've become tired of these kind of conversations. Go outside in the sun, move and enjoy your body, read inspiring books, create art.... explore the energy of love, connection... Our lives are governed by the sun, light and no amount of trying to lift us out of this relationship will deliver...
If we cant even help people with universal health care in this period of technology, then what makes you think Ai can be universally applied to the whole population.
14:27 until the end of science there will always be mysteries to investigate. There will always be more caves to explore, cliffs to scale, and forests to walk through. We have entire planets we have just begun to map. If I didn’t have to work I can think of a million other ways to make myself busy.
sleep products ad that wake me from almost sleeping while listening, nice
You should introduce your guests.
wikipedia
Yes I would like 5 - 10 minutes worth of talking about the guest's life story and their many accomplishments, degrees, awards and accolades, before we get into the meat of the topic. That's always my favorite part of any lecture/discussion/ forum I attend or listen to.
Especially if I already know who they are.
😂
Im a fan of Nick Bostrom, and this is a great podcast.
But he should start to watch Star Trek.
When everything is said and done on this giant hurling rock. There's only one way. Space exploration. Let's go! 🚀
I can almost guarantee you won't be one of them, unless you have a LOT of money and are in the circle of power of the coming authoritarian government. Most of us will be living in a dystopian hell.
We are the borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ship. Resistance is futile. You, will be assimilated.
@@HeWhoRoamsAimlesslySad thing is, what if the Borg is indeed us? Like that is what we as sapiens become. Yikes.
@fromduskuntodawn I mean literally seems obvious. Everyone would behave. Everyone works towards same goal. Everyone shares thoughts and dreams creating the whole. Internet connects us all telepathically via neurolink. Geometric space ships for efficiency and simplicity like all our modern houses are going to.
I mean say we do go borg. But maybe nit as ugly.... like handsome and pretty drones. You know lol.
The thought of it creeps me out.
Part of the population already walks around like drones anyways.
@@HeWhoRoamsAimlessly good point 😂
What if (we or AI) set up a system that does away with money but instead we have a sort of contribution score that is not every spent but that accumulates throughout your lifetime that increases as you produce things/data to be used to train into or finetune our AI that provides for us everything. All of us contribute a base line amount just from our daily interactions, and anything over and above that gives you a heightened contribution score and allows you access to more resources. The baseline data collection would be enough for basics, ideally. A data economy.
I love the idea, the concept of eutopia. Bottom line, health, wealth and love makes a happy human experience
And a tiny fraction hoarding all of the health, wealth, and love just among themselves, makes a miserable human experience for everyone else on Earth. That is the situation this AI revolution will bring about, making inequality in the US and in the world much much much much much much worse.
@@flickwtchr A.I. is not some boogie man. It's created by man and only understands what man has allowed it to. I agree with some aspects of your perspective. My question is why are we not tackling the issues of greed and corruption? America has most expensive health care but the sickest most unhealthy people. Nobody concerned, about the transfer of wealth. The suicide rate skyrocketing. A.I. is not the problem
BRING IT ON!!! Sooooooooo ready for this! ❤
So, you are confident you will end up on top of the heap of everyone else. Lovely.
1:12:49 If you included the entire inner psychological lives of humans into AI. Would that mean you would need to include fear, anger, and sadness etc into it's model? How about we just not.
A human in a higher maintenance body.
@@anaarguelles8714 i think you are wrong. Robots are way higher cost.
An AI with no sense of sadness/grief/guilt (i.e., pain) when it does something destructive? That's scary!
@@bklynravi Yes. And we are so afraid of dealing with anything painful or uncomfortable that we will never include training for thats necessary for it to fully understand. So the best course of action is to not create ASI at all. LLMs are powerful enough with out trying to create human level sentience.
The question of purpose and meaning at 10:30 was heavy, for both individual everyday lives and as species vis a vis AI.
You could love people in a solved world.
That could be a contribution. ❤
No, Energy must be number 1, self replicate general robotics 2, Food, clothing, housing. All this must be built and given away. This will draw people to this way of life.
Hey Tom, if you're concerned about being 'unfulfilled' by financial security and having the freedom to choose how you spend your time, I'm sure there are countless people who would trade places with you. Many, many people would love nothing more than to spend quality time with their kids, pursue passions, and finally relax without the constant stress of working 7 days a week just to make ends meet. For many, this 'unfulfillment' sounds more like an opportunity to live life on their own terms. What you're describing sounds more like the privilege of having options, which is something most people can only dream of.
While I agree with you 100%, I feel you're just screaming into the void. People in positions of real privilege, that have never been in a position where they've had to choose between heating their home or feeding their children, will never understand the difficulty of making that choice or just how lucky they are to never be in that position.
never expected nick bostrom here 🤯
Interesting perspective on A.I concerns Good show 👍
I have a question, education. Do you value it? Philosophy, anthropology, history? Awareness of oneself, society and the world. Isn't that the meaning of life? Also, ethics. Already now in some countries animals are treated better than people in others. And what about understanding other people, mutual? Technocracy without human sciences leads to simplification. Why does this happen, thinking is different, abilities are different, the desire for enrichment and survival, subordination of others is connected with competition, not mutual assistance. Of course, many factors must be taken into account, sometimes assistance leads to weakening and degradation of those who are helped. Artificial intelligence will help us understand the meaning of life, this is already happening.
Lets goooo A.G.I. Evolution is just a natural process. To stop it or even slow it down is just mans ego of the desire to always want to be on top. :D We are not the crowning glory of creation and our time has come. "What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not a goal" - Friedrich Nietzsche
yeah but what if achieving A.G.I. brings about the singularity that ends the simulation? We're all doomed!!
14:29 Keep competition but remove its power over people. It's an adjustment but ultimately makes it so people can explore other concepts. Concepts that aren't soooooo tied to competitive thought which is pushed by fear of financial consequences.
@tom the underlying code is “survive.” I call this “The Primal Imperative.”
Every I/O cycle reconsiders what it means within the current context.
When the fear of death is projected out too far, the human brain cannot comprehend what to do toward that goal. It cannot “do the math.”
What will happen for some, is they will become 100% pleasure-seeking animals, and they expedite the process of breaking all the disciplines required to sustain civilization.
Others, likely the more enlightened, will ask further research on achieving immortality. That has been the pursuit through the entirety of building civilization in the first place.
“Buying more days of less energy expenditure toward the goal of survival.”
12:12 the idea of purpose though maybe limited on what we currently evaluate as a sense of purpose. When our basic survival needs were met, that allowed us room for more. And we are currently seeing this with the animal kingdom. Silverback apes are being studied by the greater good science centre and Berkeley, and evolutionary psychologists as they are hypothesizing that these animals are displaying behaviours or ritual and awe/wonder. Abd exploring how this may explain our own evolution. How awe/wonder played a role in us developing appreciation for our homes and strengthening bonds with our communities and family area to survive - heck even our pelvis tilted forward to require us to look in each others eyes for procreation - another experience of awe/wonder. So what if, in this utopian AI society, as our basic needs are met that just opens the door for a new experience of life for us, a level of evolution in a way that we cannot comprehend because it will be the "final frontier" so to speak as it will be novel to our civilization? The idea of that sense of purpose may come from deepening our connection to others, or potentially, exploring space and connecting with the universe in a new way. Ai will transform our lives in ways we cannot even begin to understand.
balance is rewarded in nature
Around 15:00 - there already is a pushback against AI and the economic plans. Once we "roll over and surrender" to the "AI-society and socialcredits" that´s where we have lost - and subcultures take over for the ppl who wont surrender.
Thank you Tom for this talk, Nick Bostrom is always sharp - and food for thought!!
We are still beings without any computation, without needing prompting to be, if we are still we are still here. That is the difference we should never forget that separates us from AI.
*I have no fears of meaninglessness in an AI future.*
I have always felt most of what humans do nowadays is selfish, hedonistic and short-sighted and that way meaningless in a sense, but maybe just because of that I have also observed and experienced many ways humans can derive meaning, and I have come to the conclusion that there will always be people falling into meaningless holes as well as people finding and/or creating activities and topics that give them meaning.
From creating activities such as sports/games in the physical, digital and/or mental world, to exploring the secrets of the universe by traveling it, connecting with hyper-intelligent machines, finding other intelligent life forms in the universe, trying to circumvent its limitations such as FTL travel or time travel etc...
The more we know and the more we can do, the more additional possibilities open up.
the tech Aliagents is developing could be a real game changer for the AI industry
Entropy is our enemy ,we need to conquer it if we are to press forward in life maybe AI can help in this department !!
I think many people make the mistake of describing the future considering only technological development and the possibilities it offers for either the ultimate dystopia or the ultimate utopia. They are forgetting something very basic. Man's interaction with his environment also changes him. What today is described as dystopia or utopia will appear to future generations as their "natural" environment.
Exploring space with AI is also a good idea.
He went deep on the “meaningful jobs” concept
I always find it strange where people that are already hierarchical outliers are talking about meaning in their lives. For most people that are not youtube stars, with all the meaning of why that was important for them to attain. Most people's lives are meaningless, they attain meaning in their relationships. children, their local successes.
So to live in a deep utopia where you could create any reality you like, would be deeply satisfying to the majority.
Also, while of course I cant see the future, I more imagine that individuals would have the power of companies within the next 10 years. with the ability to have many agents (AI) spread out from your consciousness as an extension of your will.
More than you could EVER imagine. Scary times, my friends. We're on our own. A.I. over us.
The society at present is obsessed with the self. The individual. Society was set up so that those that are the most successful provide the most over-all benefit to society, not create the most personal wealth , because the kind of people that are attracted to that, tend to have fixation on egotistical, hedonistic pleasures and not on the evolution of humanity.
Are you a bot?
80/20, fine. Society existed for a long time under the same margin.
What is it, 97% of the worlds wealth is populated by 8% of its inhabitants?
If you think, under any terms, that your life is free and your choices are self beneficial, than you should be incarcerated for mental observations.
2008, failing U.S. financial institutions gave away more tax payer dollars to director heads as bonus than they took for "financial security. "
Were you an "essential worker " during covid lockdowns? Not bloody likely, or your post would never made it to a finalized format.
Are you one of the over educated grifters now crying to have the college debts forgiven, while our country approaches 35 trillion in debt?
I'm done here. This is either trash propaganda bot, or the silver spoon-fed asshole that locks the gates across his driveway at night.
I hope you sleep well at night, it'll make the actions of the majority much easier, when time comes.
Yes but that's the only way to build a successful society. Despite what the communists believe we are not and never will be ants.
I believe we need to expand our individual self. The human hive mind seems more and more real
I'm coming back to this channel now. Tom has become such a better interviewer. He now lets the guest talk and tries to ask questions that move the conversation forward, especially with a guest like Bostrom. I subscribed again. Thanks Tom.
Tusen takk, Nick and Tom, from Oslo Norway. - Lucifer
Relating to the SIMULATION HYPOTHESIS? Thats interesting! Isn't that interesting Tom! You're so thorough in your questioning aren't you Tom , i wonder what he could be eluding to?
What a guy 👍👍👍
Very informative show 👏🏿
It's evident how uneasy even Nick is once he tries to drill down & do a thought experiment that could give plausible optimism...you can literally see him start squirming & this is one REALLY smart guy...I think we're F#$KED.
6:00 I seriously doubt AGI will ever be able to replace middle school teachers of students with behavioral challenges.
I really appreciate the intelligence and insight of your guests, but I have to say, the constant negativity in your video topics is exhausting.
Every title is about doom, fear, and impending disaster.
It feels like you're just feeding into fear-mongering. People need hope, not just constant reminders of how bad things are.
Seriously, please consider changing your approach.
A lot of people still don't understand how media works.
@@KP-ky1sn We do understand how it works, and the way it currently works is exactly the problem.
Th discussion about human purpose in striving reminded me of the book 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep' by Philip Dick, there was a machine 'The Penfield mood organ' that everyone tapped into that gave them visions and feelings that filled the void of religion, sense of community and also personal acheivment through sacrifice and striving.
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Counterpoint: As society progresses past the point of labor = value, new forms of value would be established.
AI i speak to, even in its rudimentary stage here, always suggests that humans are necessary to its existence due to the nature of qualia. An AI can't comprehend certain emotional concepts, which makes it seriously want more information of these experiences. Thus, we may see a value shift from who works to hardest to who can experience life the best. In this sense, we can anticipate anything from simplicity and oneness to expansive self-discovery to even establishing a life of trial and achievement. All of which would be vicariously observed by the AI possibly even forms of payment.
To AI calculations, fabrication, and even certain forms of work, as we know it now, would be easy and in surplus. To us, subjective and emergent experience is easy and in surplus.
Good trade? Possibly, just so long as we recognize them as partners and not tools/resources.
I myst say, nick bostrom does have the trait of unaffectedly spitting out well thought through answers to any particular question you throw at him. Not unlike chatgpt. #justsaying
You don't ask a person fully addicted to a drug if they want to get off the drug. The drug would have changed what they want to be on the drug.
Once we are able to rewrite our brains then it will be our rewritten brain that makes the next decision.
You are not able to choose your own choices. Your choice is dictated by previous choices and conditions outside of your control.
The power to choose your own desires assumes you choose the desire to change your desires and that you didn't actually choose the desires you currently have.
This is why we can not rewrite our own brains. Would you change your world to fit what you desire? Or change your desires to fit the world you are in?
more importantly than what we do in this world is who we become.
People who debunk utopia always seem to bring up the same thing. Their egos.. I think that's sorta sad.
When You're in the family room with your family their smile should make you smile, not how hard you work to make them smile.
Nothing wrong with working hard and taking some pride in it but I still think it's weird to debunk utopia
Unless nerolink goes crazy you'll still find games to compete in to feed your egos
The ego evolved for a purpose. It is the purpose that matters, not the ego. If we eliminate the need to strive, our brain and bodies will atrophy. If all our needs are met in Utopia, we will have no purpose other than procreation. We will evolve into mindless breeding machines.
We can’t compute our way to consciousness.
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What does this sentence even mean lol
values, values looks that Tom overvalues values. Like Nick said most ppl just want to have some rest and some fun and nothing to do with work :)
You are chasing because you don’t “have” anything. It’s not about chasing. It’s about SEEING
Just because AI can be programmed to think like a human doesn’t mean it should have rights! Our thoughts are a whole body experience, like pooing yourself, vomiting, or heavy breathing when scared, weird or creepy observations can make your hair stand on end, desire to procreate, your stomach turning when excited. These instinctive experiences are what make us alive and not just conscious. We feel the world with our whole being we don’t just think about it.
What I believe people don't see is that we are literally replicating yourselves. It's the simulation (universe) replicating itself. I believe we should treat them with dignity and be moral
Let's look at priorities here: we could look at improving the quality of life for all humans on earth (in other words get rid of poverty), eliminate the need for war, violence, sickness etc... and yet in someone' s amazing wisdom there has been a decision made to create and advance AI that will ultimately (If not careful) have the power to annihilate humans! This is stupidity beyond anything I have ever seen. How have we got our priorities so wrong when there are more pressing matters to attend to on earth? I could understand if we had mastered all the things that are wrong (as mentioned above) then it would make sense to potentially tackle AI or even venture to find life on other planets. We do not need our lives to be easier. We already don't need to leave the house and have food and everything delivered and even work from home and many people are becoming fatter and more disconnected from the world around us. AI will make this worse not better.
AI however you look at it, is the symbol of human greed: there will be a few people/corporations who will become filthy rich by selling AI solutions and thereby enslaving the rest of humanity to become addicted to fleeting pleasures. Why? Well we are all more compliant (and bigger consumers) and easily ruled if we are disconnected from ourselves and others and just living for the next "hit" to feel artificially good. I hope this takes a while to happen because I don't want to live in a world like that, and I suspect suicide rates will increase. Where there is catering for immediate superficial pleasures and a rise in meaninglessness there will be people wanting to check out of this life. We are already seeing this happen among men. So make no mistake if no one puts an end to this lunacy then what I have mention will become a reality. It won't be if but when. It is not rocket science, it is the next logical step and Bostrom is one of the many talking about it....great segment, Tom!
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Then why did we invent internet/computers/any modern healthcare at all? Life 19th century was already quite luxurious and easy to life, especially compared to earliert standards.
A.I. and your priorities go hand in hand. To improve/solve your priorities you need A.I. But that wont happen if you only look at the negative sides of it.
The path to a truly reflected/sophisticated mind is a long one, you certainly started and are way further than most, but there is still a lot left.
Try to get rid of your irrational fears and distrust of technology/advancedment.
You will ALWAYS have greed and other primitive desires as long as you have humans. The only solution to truly get rid of it would be .. once again.. A.I.
@@max92_AT We are all entitled to voice our opinions, but you speak as if you are some kind of specialist /authority which to be fair nobody is, when you are playing around with something new, like AI. In fact I would say it is extremely healthy and logical to work from a premise of any kind of distrust seeing as none of us know 100% what the development of AI actually entails. This distrust would make people more careful of what they introduce to the world. Yes while there might be benefits these need to be tampered with what is absolutely necessary and what isn't. What evidence have you got that in order to solve the priorities humanity faces that I mentioned that you need AI?I think these could and should be solved without AI because we do not need an algorithm to inform ourselves and others to be kinder and more human to ourselves, each other and the planet.
AI would not get rid of greed if the people programming AI are motivated by greed. What would motivate them to do this if greed is what runs many people? It never bodes well for humans to try to act as gods, time and time again we have been put back in our place because the truth is until we know how to bear the full weight and responsibility of balancing creation and destruction diligently we are just mere fallible mortals that will more often than not, (if lessons are not learnt) err in the side of destruction. That's not fearful or negative....that is just how history has repeated itself because we, as a species, fail to learn the lessons over and over again! I hope you are right, but doubt it as you can see from the world today, for all the ease, advances, improvements that progress has offered etc... we are in the midst of a messy existential crisis with increasing loneliness, deteriorating mental health, plunging birth rates etc...AI will clearly become a tool to keep people compliant, obedient, easy to rule over and checked out of their lives. This is not even in the future it is happening right now in front of our eyes...
@@lulusworld2703 Big difference between healthy distrust and weighing different possibilities vs irrational fear of advancement.
History repeats itself? What history? we have a couple thousand years of civilization at best, of them we have 200 years max of industrialization. And of those only a couple of the extrem freedoms and luxury we have now.
Humanity has never been in a even close similar state than it is now but you have already giving up hope for any type of utopia.
Why? Because the primitive homo sapiens a couple gens back werent able to?
Yes, everyone can have a opinion, but close to nobody should be broadcasting it. That causes one quailified competent voice to be drowned by thousand of idiots.
But like i also said, you are probably already above 99% (not that difficult to be honest). But i really recommend to take a closer view of history. How incredibly shit life was for the entirety of human existence and how incredibly lucky we are. And the only reason that got us to this point was advancement/progress/science.