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The US approach since the end of WWII has been to build wunderwaffe in the quantities that everybody else builds waffe. Like, most navies would be glad to have Frigates in the quantity we build carriers. We occasionally throw nearly Tomahawks at a single target. The thing about those wunderwaffe is that they can actually simplify a lot of logistics issues. If it takes 1000 conventional artillery rounds to hit a target. it might only take a dozen precision munitions, or a single precision air strike. That makes US logistics way harder to interdict because a handful of fancy munitions getting to the front is enough to take out multiple major targets. One small convoy on a mountain road is way harder to notice than 50 trucks on a main highway. Because the US is all about power projection, a 10x improvement in weapon performance is a 10x reduction in cargo ships, transport planes, merchant marine crews, needed to get the thing where it needs to be. And even with the US focus on few high value weapons, the US military is still mostly a logistics organization with a handful of combat troops actually consuming the munitions.
Excellent video. I agree with you. The Storm Shadow's last success again proves that it is working. "If it works, don't change". Europe should produce more Storm Shadows instead of designing a new hypersonic missile. The animations are simple but good. Please keep making. By the way, the A380-based SCALP-EG carrier news was a fruit of yellow journalism. I remember the French Air Force commander of the time made fun of the journalists.
@@Draksyl You are right. Since I saw the FC/ASW footage in the video, I assumed it would be hypersonic. But still, I think the well-working Storm Shadow is a better option than spending money on a new missile.
@@habahan4257 - Storm Shadow is going through its mid life update at the moment but that only buys another 10-15 years of service life. FC/ASW is designed to fill that future gap using more modern technologies for greater operational capability in a wider range of circumstances than the current missile is capable of dealing with 👍
It goes back earlier than the 1980s, I did the error analysis on the proposed guidance system as an employee of BAe in the 1970s, as part of my doctorate.
@@warhead_beast7661 it was seriously damaged by multiple helicopter attacks whilst at sea after which it limped back to port,was abandoned by its crew and later sank alongside the pier with just it's conning tower showing above the water so it was technically "sunk"
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Very interesting video, congratulations; regarding the validity of SCALP type missiles compared to more advanced (but not available and very expensive) hypersonic missiles I agree with what the channel claims. But we must also consider the propaganda effect of such a weapon and the trust it could generate in the armed force that had it at its disposal, even if this trust could be a double-edged sword.
It's doing pretty well against high end Russian air defense which are considered some of the best in the world. It is definitely a force multiplier for air power in denied airspace. For that capability, the cost is more than justified.
@@shesathome I've seen no credible evidence of *any* storm shadow interceptions. I see wide use of MALD dummies, and extensive Russian claims of interceptions, but any video claims I've seen are clearly way to high for storm shadow.
@@thenegociater3387 No one in sane mind would use landing ship to attack Odessa or Nikolayev. This will be a land assault or stranglehold. Russian landing ship is probably a write-off, sub can be restored. The dock itself was damaged, that's a problem. Really worth 10,000,000 £ incl. shipping! Isn't it?
@@thenegociater3387 We don't really know whether the hull was damaged and how severely. Nevertheless the Russians will find the way around the Straits controlled by Türkiye to smuggle subs and frigates to Sevastopol.
indeed some of the new hypersonic missiles being developed in the usa are $100m a copy. too expensive for large deployments. storm shadow mk2 could be made with cheaper more modern components?
@@shesathome Yes. Just about the entirety of American military development is intended to counter China right now. It's not exactly a secret or anything either when multiple officials have said that deterring China is the number one goal right now.
Storm shadow is far from unique. There are multiple other cruise missiles available to NATO. Just UK has stocks of storm shadows nearing the end of their shelf life, and is saving the cost of decommissioning them. The storm shadow is larger than can be carried in the internal storage of most current aircraft, so for stealth aircraft, not a good load. Smaller lighter storm shadow equivalents, at lower cost, but with similar mission capabilities and more modern electronics, would be extremely useful.
My money is on the Taurus, as it has longer range due to its turbofan engine. SAAB is involved so its EW will be at least as good as the Storm Shadow, likely even better.
taurus has a longer range and it's half the price. if you're bound to the export ver. (290km), then price would make even more sense. but both are pretty capable, you would be well served with whichever tbh
Good evening Detective. I saw news a few weeks ago about a successful hypersonic missile launch from the Landes test range (near Bordeaux in France). Maybe it was the prototype of this new missile? Now this type of hyper sonic or hyper speed missile is surely reserved for very high value targets, Chinese aircraft carrier style? Because Russia does not have ships worthy of this type of machine. Anyway, this is just speculation on my part. Sincerely.
the reviews are great, but I disagree that there are no 'game-changing' weapons, as HIMARS and Storm Shadows forced the Russians to move their ammunition depots, seriously damaging logistics and greatly reduced their attack capacity... and today they destroyed (or seriously damaged) 1 landing ship and a submarine!
Actually I believe one of the most significant weapons are the long range European howitzers. In the early phases of this war, Ukraine took very heavy casualties from Russian artillery, which out-ranged the older ex-soviet guns that was all the Ukrainians had available to them. The boot is on the other foot now, with Russian artillery casualties now huge as, like when the Russians had that advantage, the Ukrainians can now destroy the Russian artillery without risk to themselves. (From counter battery fire, from tubed weapons) It's still shoot and scoot, but the time for Russia to get an accurate missile strike against the Ukrainian guns, and the relatively crappy counter battery radar of the Russians, mean that The targets are long long gone.
Storm Shadow doesn't have remote self destruct system, wouldn't this lead a missile turning into an unexploded ordinance? No offence and any concerns we simply are curious about their thoughts in the design of this regard.
The two are not exclusive. Remote self destruct means that the missile has a potential vulnerability if enemy electronic warfare systems can activate it. The video claimed that the storm shadow is programmed with a "safe abort" area, where the missile attempts to divert to if it looses target lock. This is a very acceptable alternative to a remote self destruct, except that there is no call back once a strike is launched.
both storm shadow/scalp and taurus have a "safe divert" to explode in a safe place determined in mission plan. its suposed to be activated if the AI doesnt recognize the target at the designated place or if the AI assumes there too much risk of collateral damages. all this is "allegedly", of course
Can it change the outcome of the battle? I think so. Did Ukraine have any other weapon capable of accurately striking Russia's BSF headquarters in a large city with minimal collateral damage? True there is no currently conceivable magic weapon that wins wars (well besides our little boy and fat man at the end of WWII). But in Ukraine's case a wonder weapon can simply be a capability they don't possess.
7:23 Can some math guy tell me how many of these you'd have to fire to establish a success rate as specific as 97 per cent? Wouldn't you have to fire basically 100 or more, to come up with that rate? Did they fire 100 or more of this specific missile in this operation/conflict? Feels like a lot.
There are many ways, including test fire, real use, simulations and probability calculations (sometimes called Monte Carlo simulations), But can also do simple upscaling. If 1 of 30 missiles were shot down or malfunctioned, you are near a 97% confirmed success rate, but the military is commonly not happy with such numbers. Then you must also take into account that these numbers are not static. The 5.56 NATO round has served well. But now plate-carriers are becoming standard, thus NATO is looking back to the 7,62 or forward to 6.8 mm rounds for example. There are always new countermeasures on the horizon.
Ukraine has been given hundreds of these as they are close to their use by date and are due for replacement, in the next few years they will get hundreds more😊
ruSSia is NOT dealing with it at all ! They just lost a subamarine and a landing ship to SCALP/Storm Shadow ! Imagine losing that against a "no existent" navy !
@elsenm3965 yes russia aren't dealing with it at all however it is low visibility not stealth and uses electronic warfare systems and decoy missiles but it wouldn't surprise me either if the Russian defense systems just malfunctioned either at this point lmao
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The US approach since the end of WWII has been to build wunderwaffe in the quantities that everybody else builds waffe. Like, most navies would be glad to have Frigates in the quantity we build carriers. We occasionally throw nearly Tomahawks at a single target.
The thing about those wunderwaffe is that they can actually simplify a lot of logistics issues. If it takes 1000 conventional artillery rounds to hit a target. it might only take a dozen precision munitions, or a single precision air strike. That makes US logistics way harder to interdict because a handful of fancy munitions getting to the front is enough to take out multiple major targets. One small convoy on a mountain road is way harder to notice than 50 trucks on a main highway. Because the US is all about power projection, a 10x improvement in weapon performance is a 10x reduction in cargo ships, transport planes, merchant marine crews, needed to get the thing where it needs to be. And even with the US focus on few high value weapons, the US military is still mostly a logistics organization with a handful of combat troops actually consuming the munitions.
Good point! I hadn't thought of it in that way👍
Excellent video. I agree with you. The Storm Shadow's last success again proves that it is working. "If it works, don't change". Europe should produce more Storm Shadows instead of designing a new hypersonic missile.
The animations are simple but good. Please keep making.
By the way, the A380-based SCALP-EG carrier news was a fruit of yellow journalism. I remember the French Air Force commander of the time made fun of the journalists.
FC/ASW (successor program) has stealthy non hypersonic variants as well as the less subtle variants......
@@Draksyl You are right. Since I saw the FC/ASW footage in the video, I assumed it would be hypersonic. But still, I think the well-working Storm Shadow is a better option than spending money on a new missile.
@@habahan4257 - Storm Shadow is going through its mid life update at the moment but that only buys another 10-15 years of service life. FC/ASW is designed to fill that future gap using more modern technologies for greater operational capability in a wider range of circumstances than the current missile is capable of dealing with 👍
A380 vis missile is joke 😂 but A400 m is more believable with long rangé version
It goes back earlier than the 1980s, I did the error analysis on the proposed guidance system as an employee of BAe in the 1970s, as part of my doctorate.
Now it even has become a anti Submarine and anti ship missle XD the first sub to be destroyed in anger since ww2
been a few subs go down since 1982 defo comes to mind
Last Ukrainian's strike sinking à sub at port in Crimea was said to use à "poseidon" ukrainian missile same as for Moscva
I'm pretty sure a Royal navy helicopter destroyed an Argentine sub in 1982
@@tigerland4328 wasn't that just damaged and captured in port?
@@warhead_beast7661 it was seriously damaged by multiple helicopter attacks whilst at sea after which it limped back to port,was abandoned by its crew and later sank alongside the pier with just it's conning tower showing above the water so it was technically "sunk"
The storm shadows have performed well, and the 160 mald decoy missiles really make it almost impossible to intercept.
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A wonderful video about designed storm shadows missiles shared by an excellent (weapon detective) channel..video clearly explained all characteristics of those magnificent missiles .also, video clearly explained historical backgrounds of designed this effective Storm shadow missiles.. thank you ( weapon detective) channel for sharing.
Little known fact - the french version of the storm shadow comes equipped with optional little white flags of surrender!
Quite an interesting movie. I really like it
Very interesting video, congratulations; regarding the validity of SCALP type missiles compared to more advanced (but not available and very expensive) hypersonic missiles I agree with what the channel claims. But we must also consider the propaganda effect of such a weapon and the trust it could generate in the armed force that had it at its disposal, even if this trust could be a double-edged sword.
Weapons Detective, you are becoming a philosopher 😅
Our chief is indeed a philosophy graduate. :)))
😊😊 just look at recents results, very good !! And very hard to stop UK/FR quality for 🇺🇦
It's doing pretty well against high end Russian air defense which are considered some of the best in the world. It is definitely a force multiplier for air power in denied airspace. For that capability, the cost is more than justified.
7 out of 10 Storm Shadows launched on Sevastopol were intercepted and destroyed. Purty well I'd say!
@@shesathomethat’s what the Russians claim…
How many of them were decoys? Is it even true?
@@shesathome I've seen no credible evidence of *any* storm shadow interceptions. I see wide use of MALD dummies, and extensive Russian claims of interceptions, but any video claims I've seen are clearly way to high for storm shadow.
@@thenegociater3387 No one in sane mind would use landing ship to attack Odessa or Nikolayev. This will be a land assault or stranglehold. Russian landing ship is probably a write-off, sub can be restored. The dock itself was damaged, that's a problem. Really worth 10,000,000 £ incl. shipping! Isn't it?
@@thenegociater3387 We don't really know whether the hull was damaged and how severely. Nevertheless the Russians will find the way around the Straits controlled by Türkiye to smuggle subs and frigates to Sevastopol.
indeed some of the new hypersonic missiles being developed in the usa are $100m a copy. too expensive for large deployments. storm shadow mk2 could be made with cheaper more modern components?
The hypersonic missiles the US is developing are mostly intended to sink carriers so it's okay for them to be really expensive.
@@matteusvirtanen392 Russia has no carriers except one in the docks. Whose carriers US is going to sink, Chinese, uh?
@@shesathome Yes. Just about the entirety of American military development is intended to counter China right now. It's not exactly a secret or anything either when multiple officials have said that deterring China is the number one goal right now.
Storm shadow is far from unique. There are multiple other cruise missiles available to NATO. Just UK has stocks of storm shadows nearing the end of their shelf life, and is saving the cost of decommissioning them. The storm shadow is larger than can be carried in the internal storage of most current aircraft, so for stealth aircraft, not a good load.
Smaller lighter storm shadow equivalents, at lower cost, but with similar mission capabilities and more modern electronics, would be extremely useful.
The missile replacing the storm shadow is already in development by mbda and countries can choose either a stealth variant or hypersonic variant
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Good vid.
Since it was as French missile, we preferred the French pronunciation.
Very effective
nice
Make video on JASSM
Which is better between storm shadow/scalp eg vs taurus kepd?
My money is on the Taurus, as it has longer range due to its turbofan engine.
SAAB is involved so its EW will be at least as good as the Storm Shadow, likely even better.
taurus has a longer range and it's half the price. if you're bound to the export ver. (290km), then price would make even more sense. but both are pretty capable, you would be well served with whichever tbh
Good evening Detective.
I saw news a few weeks ago about a successful hypersonic missile launch from the Landes test range (near Bordeaux in France).
Maybe it was the prototype of this new missile?
Now this type of hyper sonic or hyper speed missile is surely reserved for very high value targets, Chinese aircraft carrier style?
Because Russia does not have ships worthy of this type of machine.
Anyway, this is just speculation on my part.
Sincerely.
the reviews are great, but I disagree that there are no 'game-changing' weapons, as HIMARS and Storm Shadows forced the Russians to move their ammunition depots, seriously damaging logistics and greatly reduced their attack capacity... and today they destroyed (or seriously damaged) 1 landing ship and a submarine!
You could argue that every weapon is a game changer so the word has no meaning, but it's a great headline for media like this channel and every other😁
@@HJJ135nukes are the real game changer. They can even change landscapes
Actually I believe one of the most significant weapons are the long range European howitzers. In the early phases of this war, Ukraine took very heavy casualties from Russian artillery, which out-ranged the older ex-soviet guns that was all the Ukrainians had available to them. The boot is on the other foot now, with Russian artillery casualties now huge as, like when the Russians had that advantage, the Ukrainians can now destroy the Russian artillery without risk to themselves. (From counter battery fire, from tubed weapons) It's still shoot and scoot, but the time for Russia to get an accurate missile strike against the Ukrainian guns, and the relatively crappy counter battery radar of the Russians, mean that The targets are long long gone.
SCALP / Storm shadows just destroyed a submarine and a landing boat !
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Oh its a wonder weapon , just like the previous 8 or 10 .
It seems to work great. It can even destroy submarines!
Storm Shadow doesn't have remote self destruct system, wouldn't this lead a missile turning into an unexploded ordinance? No offence and any concerns we simply are curious about their thoughts in the design of this regard.
The two are not exclusive. Remote self destruct means that the missile has a potential vulnerability if enemy electronic warfare systems can activate it. The video claimed that the storm shadow is programmed with a "safe abort" area, where the missile attempts to divert to if it looses target lock. This is a very acceptable alternative to a remote self destruct, except that there is no call back once a strike is launched.
both storm shadow/scalp and taurus have a "safe divert" to explode in a safe place determined in mission plan. its suposed to be activated if the AI doesnt recognize the target at the designated place or if the AI assumes there too much risk of collateral damages.
all this is "allegedly", of course
Can it change the outcome of the battle? I think so. Did Ukraine have any other weapon capable of accurately striking Russia's BSF headquarters in a large city with minimal collateral damage? True there is no currently conceivable magic weapon that wins wars (well besides our little boy and fat man at the end of WWII). But in Ukraine's case a wonder weapon can simply be a capability they don't possess.
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7:23 Can some math guy tell me how many of these you'd have to fire to establish a success rate as specific as 97 per cent? Wouldn't you have to fire basically 100 or more, to come up with that rate?
Did they fire 100 or more of this specific missile in this operation/conflict?
Feels like a lot.
There are many ways, including test fire, real use, simulations and probability calculations (sometimes called Monte Carlo simulations), But can also do simple upscaling. If 1 of 30 missiles were shot down or malfunctioned, you are near a 97% confirmed success rate, but the military is commonly not happy with such numbers.
Then you must also take into account that these numbers are not static. The 5.56 NATO round has served well. But now plate-carriers are becoming standard, thus NATO is looking back to the 7,62 or forward to 6.8 mm rounds for example. There are always new countermeasures on the horizon.
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Errm ww1
IS the worls Scalp too offensive for this channel?
French I presume? ^^
Ukraine has been given hundreds of these as they are close to their use by date and are due for replacement, in the next few years they will get hundreds more😊
Good weapon made in Taiwan👍
not Stealth at ALL russian dealing with so whey See IT
ruSSia is NOT dealing with it at all !
They just lost a subamarine and a landing ship to SCALP/Storm Shadow !
Imagine losing that against a "no existent" navy !
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The meaning of stealth is not invisible but too hard to detect.
@@elsenm3965it's like those terrorist strikes on the very heart of US military - pentagon on 9/11. Does that mean US military is banana ?
@elsenm3965 yes russia aren't dealing with it at all however it is low visibility not stealth and uses electronic warfare systems and decoy missiles but it wouldn't surprise me either if the Russian defense systems just malfunctioned either at this point lmao
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