@Dantes230 Karl Schrekt, former Justicar of Clan Tremere and current leader of house Tremere has a whole chapter in Becketts Jyhad Dirary. It talks about rumors of a worm ruling the clan and how the house needs to be cleaned of outside influence. Come V5 and the prime chantry is destroyed but its noted that the defenses were shut down at the last second right before the second inquisition's attack. Its highly likely to be an inside job because no enemy should have been able to do that. Karl was already talking about cleaning house in Beckett's diary so he had the motive and lo and behold he immediately takes control of the clan right after the strike. You can put two and two together.
Dude thank you. Thank you so much for making these videos. You probably hear that enough but you have no idea the subtle magic and fire of inspiration the world of the darkness can trigger in those with the eyes and hearts to see. It's like we were born this way. May all your wishes manifest.
Underrated channel, seriously thank you so much for putting these up. I wasn't very well versed onto VTM lore (only played Bloodlines) but the lore is sooooo rich and you tell it so well.
@@lazarofstygia2241 I love Warlocks, and oddly I really do enjoy the RP that comes from Vienna being out of the picture, because it opens up a lot of avenues - that being said the way it was done was incredibly shoddy
Honestly I'd love to know more about Meerlinda; she seems way more forward thinking than most of the Tremere management. More concerned with keeping the dumpster fire that is both the Tremere and the Camarilla on the rails and from exploding spectacularly.
Meerlinda is the Tremere Councilor for North America, and is working in her Dallas Chantry using genetic research to try and find the true name of humanity (The Gehenna Sourcebook, confirms that she is infact successful in this endeavor... exactly according to Tremere, Saulot and Tzimisce's plans) The big question is are the council actually destroyed in V5 or are they in hiding after the shattering of the Pyramid. After all, even during a daytime strike with drones, 7 extremely paranoid Methusalahs aren't something you can just kill in one day, especially when even in the 1200s, the Vienna chantry was over 12 stories deep in the earth and warded to high hell (also with Hermetic Bans for certain powers, as mages tend to do so its not even Techocracy bullshit levels of tech that brought Vienna down), which is also backed up by: Vienna police/SWAT Mercenaries Ghouls Tremere Men at Arms Remaining loyal Gargoyles, Gargoyle Dogs and Bats Fleshcrafted Abominations other Elders of the Clan And then 7 Methusalahs. Yeah Vienna should have been a code Ragnarok level event, Vienna would have had to have been wiped off the map to fully destroy the Vienna Chantry. And even then that wouldn't be a confirmed kill on Methusalahs we know for a matter of fact have rituals that can teleport them away.
@@ssjjshawn Yep! But it's the reason I mentioned her in this, largely because again, I find her interesting in that having her territory function seems to be her main goal (other than maybe something about the true name of humanity?) and she's doing that DESPITE three antediluvian's looming over her shoulders.
@@idigamstudios7463 Well Meerlinda is also the Tremere who along with Hardistat held the first meetings and came up with the ideas that formed what would become the Camarilla. Meerlinda also explicitly drew herself back and let Mistress Fachon step into the role as one of the Founders cotare. Id say its an extremely high chance that alongside being the Counciler for North American, that she may also be the Tremere representative in the Inner Circle of the Camarilla. She is noted to be by far the most diplomatic Tremere Methusalah, and like I priorly said she was one of the two Vampires that came up with the initial Idea of the Camarilla. Its likely she doesn't have that much lore on her because of her status as a member of the Inner Circle internally at Old White Wolf. We had suspects for the other Inner Circle members, and all of them tend to be very important in Vampire History just not much lore on them Directly. Basically she's a plot device character, so looking too closely starts to unravel some threads
Very interesting video. Even though I already knew basically everything you mentioned (I've been storytelling and reading every possible book of the WoD for more than 2 decades), it's very good to see this kind of content being made. I just don't understand the order though, because Goratrix and Etrius are certainly much more relevant to Tremere's history than Aisling Sturbrigde, for instance. In any case, congratulation! It's a pity V5 utterly destroyed one of the most interesting and well-developed clans in the setting, but in any case, it's hard for me to agree with basically anything V5 did until now, I simply ignore it in my games.
In the case of Clan Tremere, I made the list more chronological than in order of importance. While Etrius/Goratrix are critical to the history of the Clan, Sturbridge is (or was pre-V5) the future of Clan Tremere. But yes, the Company did gut the Tremere in order to make the Thin-Bloods more 'special.'
The clan I used to break a campaign and the lone time I was a That Guy player. Bad ST, lots of borderline abusive play, and I hit my "fuck it" point and brought in Melvin: a master of Technomancy and Computers. Managed to collapse a Prince, the Primogen Council, the Archons above said Prince, and basically everyone who wasn't a Tremere via hacking and magic.
I'll leave it at, "It's amazing what Computer Use, Intelligence, and Technomancy 5 can do." Part of it is also I can barely remember major details because it was in HS
Since they stole their blood from the Tzimisce it is probable that they had a natural predisposition to their disciplines in the early nights. The Tremere's disciplines (Auspex, Dominate, Thaumaturgy) only differ from the Old Clan Tzimisce in one place: Animalism rather than Thaumaturgy.
The Camarilla might still want Valerius' head on general principle. Which is a shame because he's a walking encyclopedia of True Magick, Thaumaturgy, and Dark Thaumaturgy.
How do you know Etrius made human sacrifices to demons? I can't find that anywhere on google. What is the source? Tremere were very much against human sacrifice before and after they became vampires.
@@daleicious1528 it still has a definition, preferring old traditions/status qoue. But yes those old traditions change, when Christians came to the roman empire they were hippies and now they are the conservatives haha.
I do know a lot people hate v5 Vienna. Im ok with it due to the fact eventually any place goes down. Also the fact it may have been foul play made it easier for me. God like as the supernatural our none are without error.
And you have to wonder how much of that was actually planned by Saulot/Tremere itself - I would be very surprised if it turned out to actually be dead. Although getting rid of those other scheming elders could be beneficial to it.
During that time, mortals lost faith in superstition and magic and more started to turn to the sciences/natural philosophies to explain the world. As the World of Darkness is changed by the perception of mortals, magic shifted and started to shrink and become more difficult to access. Magic is still accessible in the modern day, but nowhere near as powerful as it used to be, Paradox is a bigger issue and the technocracy isn't helping that at all.
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The vienna chantry is hinted to be an inside job with clues in becketts jyhad dirary. Simply put, the clan is now free of Saulots influence.
@Dantes230 Karl Schrekt, former Justicar of Clan Tremere and current leader of house Tremere has a whole chapter in Becketts Jyhad Dirary. It talks about rumors of a worm ruling the clan and how the house needs to be cleaned of outside influence. Come V5 and the prime chantry is destroyed but its noted that the defenses were shut down at the last second right before the second inquisition's attack. Its highly likely to be an inside job because no enemy should have been able to do that. Karl was already talking about cleaning house in Beckett's diary so he had the motive and lo and behold he immediately takes control of the clan right after the strike. You can put two and two together.
@@AquilaGuardso it was Karl that shut the defenses down, interesting, thanks. About that worm, I wonder where it is now? (Saulot)
@@alexandrucatalindragan6842 I believe that its rumored to have escaped. Dun Dun Dun!!!! lol ;)
Wherever it needs to be to further the story that you setup for a chronicle / game.
Dude thank you. Thank you so much for making these videos. You probably hear that enough but you have no idea the subtle magic and fire of inspiration the world of the darkness can trigger in those with the eyes and hearts to see. It's like we were born this way. May all your wishes manifest.
I appreciate you taking the time to listen.
I still listen to this video man. Cure all!
"Whatever happened to a knock on the door and a gift basket?"
Me: ...Aaaaaand subscribed.
Underrated channel, seriously thank you so much for putting these up. I wasn't very well versed onto VTM lore (only played Bloodlines) but the lore is sooooo rich and you tell it so well.
I'm loving the salt over V5 Vienna
I'm not much for the Warlocks, but them getting caught with their pants all the way down at the seat of their power is not good.
@@lazarofstygia2241 I love Warlocks, and oddly I really do enjoy the RP that comes from Vienna being out of the picture, because it opens up a lot of avenues - that being said the way it was done was incredibly shoddy
Honestly I'd love to know more about Meerlinda; she seems way more forward thinking than most of the Tremere management. More concerned with keeping the dumpster fire that is both the Tremere and the Camarilla on the rails and from exploding spectacularly.
Meerlinda is the Tremere Councilor for North America, and is working in her Dallas Chantry using genetic research to try and find the true name of humanity
(The Gehenna Sourcebook, confirms that she is infact successful in this endeavor... exactly according to Tremere, Saulot and Tzimisce's plans)
The big question is are the council actually destroyed in V5 or are they in hiding after the shattering of the Pyramid.
After all, even during a daytime strike with drones, 7 extremely paranoid Methusalahs aren't something you can just kill in one day, especially when even in the 1200s, the Vienna chantry was over 12 stories deep in the earth and warded to high hell (also with Hermetic Bans for certain powers, as mages tend to do so its not even Techocracy bullshit levels of tech that brought Vienna down), which is also backed up by:
Vienna police/SWAT
Mercenaries
Ghouls
Tremere Men at Arms
Remaining loyal Gargoyles, Gargoyle Dogs and Bats
Fleshcrafted Abominations
other Elders of the Clan
And then 7 Methusalahs.
Yeah Vienna should have been a code Ragnarok level event, Vienna would have had to have been wiped off the map to fully destroy the Vienna Chantry. And even then that wouldn't be a confirmed kill on Methusalahs we know for a matter of fact have rituals that can teleport them away.
@@ssjjshawn Yep! But it's the reason I mentioned her in this, largely because again, I find her interesting in that having her territory function seems to be her main goal (other than maybe something about the true name of humanity?) and she's doing that DESPITE three antediluvian's looming over her shoulders.
@@idigamstudios7463 Well Meerlinda is also the Tremere who along with Hardistat held the first meetings and came up with the ideas that formed what would become the Camarilla.
Meerlinda also explicitly drew herself back and let Mistress Fachon step into the role as one of the Founders cotare.
Id say its an extremely high chance that alongside being the Counciler for North American, that she may also be the Tremere representative in the Inner Circle of the Camarilla. She is noted to be by far the most diplomatic Tremere Methusalah, and like I priorly said she was one of the two Vampires that came up with the initial Idea of the Camarilla.
Its likely she doesn't have that much lore on her because of her status as a member of the Inner Circle internally at Old White Wolf. We had suspects for the other Inner Circle members, and all of them tend to be very important in Vampire History just not much lore on them Directly.
Basically she's a plot device character, so looking too closely starts to unravel some threads
Hey when it comes to the main chantry, I suspect the Second Inquisition had Technocracy assistance with dealing with those defenses.
Damn, Virstania is t h i c c.
Started a VTMB playthrough as Tremere a few days ago.
Im in my first playthrough ever. Doin a brujah
Very interesting video. Even though I already knew basically everything you mentioned (I've been storytelling and reading every possible book of the WoD for more than 2 decades), it's very good to see this kind of content being made. I just don't understand the order though, because Goratrix and Etrius are certainly much more relevant to Tremere's history than Aisling Sturbrigde, for instance. In any case, congratulation!
It's a pity V5 utterly destroyed one of the most interesting and well-developed clans in the setting, but in any case, it's hard for me to agree with basically anything V5 did until now, I simply ignore it in my games.
In the case of Clan Tremere, I made the list more chronological than in order of importance. While Etrius/Goratrix are critical to the history of the Clan, Sturbridge is (or was pre-V5) the future of Clan Tremere.
But yes, the Company did gut the Tremere in order to make the Thin-Bloods more 'special.'
Thank you for upload :)
The clan I used to break a campaign and the lone time I was a That Guy player. Bad ST, lots of borderline abusive play, and I hit my "fuck it" point and brought in Melvin: a master of Technomancy and Computers. Managed to collapse a Prince, the Primogen Council, the Archons above said Prince, and basically everyone who wasn't a Tremere via hacking and magic.
Would love to have more details on that, and i'm sure i am not alone.
I'll leave it at, "It's amazing what Computer Use, Intelligence, and Technomancy 5 can do." Part of it is also I can barely remember major details because it was in HS
Wow so cool man
I still feel like a dickhead all these years later
Now there’s a question… What disciplines did the original House Tremere vampires have prior to Tremere and Etrius discovered Thaumaturgy?
It looks like they where on hold, waiting for the inner council to make the clan run
@@Ezojazol Surely it doesn’t work like that…
@@____________838 read their lore dude, it seems they took a while before they came out as vampires
@@Ezojazol doesn’t mean they could /pause/ their vampiric blood giving them Disciplines
Since they stole their blood from the Tzimisce it is probable that they had a natural predisposition to their disciplines in the early nights. The Tremere's disciplines (Auspex, Dominate, Thaumaturgy) only differ from the Old Clan Tzimisce in one place: Animalism rather than Thaumaturgy.
I DEMAND Great and Mighty Kevin to be number one
The redemption music makes this 300% better
It's creepy, just like the Warlocks.
Your comment on Etrius' understanding of Christian theology made me laugh out loud.
But where is THE GREAT AND MIGHTY KEVIN?!
Oh, true, he defected.
So did Goratrix and Virstania, what's your point?
for the House and the Clan. :)
Very nice, wish u had tell us more about both John Dee and Karl Schrekt
Meerlinda is quite beautiful, imo
My Pontifex Can't Be This Cute.
9:24
… Ooooo-kay then.
Right?
Yeah....
Valerius is a cool character, would be nice to see/read him again in V5
The Camarilla might still want Valerius' head on general principle. Which is a shame because he's a walking encyclopedia of True Magick, Thaumaturgy, and Dark Thaumaturgy.
@@lazarofstygia2241 exactly! would be an interesting plot if Carna finds him and he joins her. ha, their faces than!
I don't know if Valerius would be safe joining up with a Vampire on who is one frenzy away from Wassail.
@@lazarofstygia2241 You think she is? Than lets her faction, not herself.
In Milwaukee by Night, Carna was sitting at Humanity 1, so she was pretty Beastly.
No word about Tremere, the leader.
No Carna? or Karl Shrekt?
Unfortunately no. Some Warlocks ended up on the editing room floor.
Do you list them by awesomeness?
When possible.
Small correction on the name lf the priest to successfully convert swedes: Ansgar, not Ansar
Also, the Anarch Free States didn't fail, they still exist, even grow. (Seen in V5 Anarch and LA by Night).
In V5, that is true. Prior to those retcons... I would be spoiling the next video.
@@lazarofstygia2241 Thats okay. Just wondered. Technically we knew from Bloodlines, forgot that too.
anyways, great videos!
How do you know Etrius made human sacrifices to demons? I can't find that anywhere on google. What is the source? Tremere were very much against human sacrifice before and after they became vampires.
It is found in House of Tremere under the heading Etrius' Hell-Mouth.
Took a quiz now I'm here. Huh.
Must have been one hell of a quiz.
@@lazarofstygia2241 it was a quiz to see what clan I'd be in.
How does everyone get to pronouncing Sturbridges name as “Ash-ling” when there’s no H? Truly just curious if there’s a irl or lore reason.
It's an Irish name.
Considering Etrius the conservative side of the Tremere is very telling of the Tremere in general. Lol
Well, "conservative" means different things to different people and at different places.
@@schonlingg.wunderbar2985 not really, it has a definition.
@@Michael-bn1oi Language isn’t some sacred thing, definitions change.
@@daleicious1528 it still has a definition, preferring old traditions/status qoue. But yes those old traditions change, when Christians came to the roman empire they were hippies and now they are the conservatives haha.
Have not rolled with the Tremere in many, many moons,
I do know a lot people hate v5 Vienna. Im ok with it due to the fact eventually any place goes down. Also the fact it may have been foul play made it easier for me. God like as the supernatural our none are without error.
And you have to wonder how much of that was actually planned by Saulot/Tremere itself - I would be very surprised if it turned out to actually be dead. Although getting rid of those other scheming elders could be beneficial to it.
Why was magic wanning
During that time, mortals lost faith in superstition and magic and more started to turn to the sciences/natural philosophies to explain the world. As the World of Darkness is changed by the perception of mortals, magic shifted and started to shrink and become more difficult to access.
Magic is still accessible in the modern day, but nowhere near as powerful as it used to be, Paradox is a bigger issue and the technocracy isn't helping that at all.
You are here by ordered by decree of the Council of Seven to Report To Hong Kong Chantry .... shit .
New lore has some super dumb stuff like that yeah.
Zao Lat was a bastard.