I am very fond of the idea that, just as the Beast turns vampires base nature more predatory, it also subtly lessens their parental instincts. This is the only logical explanation in my mind as to how beings of such age and intelligence could repeatedly make such obvious child rearing mistakes over and over again across the centuries.
I mean, one needs only look at older individuals IRL to see that age and recurring experience is not inherently conducive to wisdom. Just as humans get more set in their ways as they age, so do vampires. They resist change, and will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to believe they're right in doing so.
@@Tencelas One could argue that the term human is extremely vague and could be used to describe almost any attribute that exists and is thus pretty useless as a description. Your talking about a category that includes both Ghengis Khan and Helen Keller.
@@lazarofstygia2241 Not necessarily the entire Sabbat, just the Path of Night followers, even though Monçada follows the Path of Power and the Inner Voice. Still pro-gamer move being able to use holy powers without acting like a paladin.
@@DarkAdonisVyers was it true faith? Or just a intimate check with 8 wins? Inquiring minds want to know. Could one even use dominate in a way to make it seem like faith... Look deeper. Be more cynical. # hail litu
I loved the occult rites of the lassombra described in the dark ages setting. I always thought combining the dark ages books with v20 gave all the clans so much flavour and depth...
Lasombra is my favorite. They remind me heavily of the Orzhov Syndicate vampires from Ravnica. "Mafia Catholic Shadowmancers". Lasombra is the direct inspiration for a lineage from my own VtM homage in OSR rpg: Nosumbra. Very much Dorian Grey syndrome where they are beautiful to behold except in their own eyes: their reflected image reveals the monstrosity and grotesquery of their true form. Still a work in progress; I am considering each Nosumbra only seeing it's own true form....hence other vampires look exactly as they seem, stoking the vile envy and consuming jealousy of each Nosumbra for it's fellows, fraying the otherwise firm clan family bonds. That was a ramble, don't mind me; Too much afternoon vitae- I meeeean coffee. Great vid!
*_Terrific!_* I especially loved the last few, as the *Clan Novels* are some of my favorite books to read. I first read the series when it was 13 paperbacks. And then I read it two more more times when it was published as four giant trade paperbacks in chronological order. I'm continually surprised at the quality of the writing in that series. Although, I probably shouldn't be, given how well the narrative elements of the game are written. But still, you don't expect this from books inspired by a role playing game. . .At least, _I hadn't._ They are _easily_ *my favorite vampire books.* While I'm in my early 50s, I certainly haven't read _all_ of the vampire novels out there. So, take that as you will. 🤷🏼♂️ Great video!
I mean Tzimisce see humans as tools and materials just as much as Lasombra, plus I'm like 70% sure that Tzimisce were made specifically with Dracula in mind but idk, he could've just as easily been Nosferatu
Are people playing "Nursery by Night" nowadays?? Why else would you need this secondary knowledge of child-rearing ? To be fair, Giovani do seem to be parents as competent as parents can be, better than most, since their family remains strong. With new talents entering the night generation after generation. Perhaps the Tzimisce are decently able to raise children as well, since they have considerable success in keep lineages of ghouls. Of course, the Tzimisce raise those children as war-hounds, not exactly the same than raise them as future people. Still, the Giovany example remains valid! It's not a problem of vampires in general, just a problem of Lasombras. I think I saw in the Arch channel something about the next "Vampire Bloodlines" attempt being intended to have a elder as PC. If they go for that, they could include some mechanic to allow us to raise our biological children (generated before embrace) or adoptive ones. Up to the point in life when they are adult, and we must choose to let them die from old age or embrace our pets. That would be an interesting, and unexpected, spice for a Bloodlines game. A drop of The Sims. If they do that, then the secondary trait of child-rearing may prove to be a valid investment of XP.
@@lazarofstygia2241 Un-Leemited POWAHH! Unrelated but "Elder Scrolls: Oblivion" takes on a very different, altogether more interesting meaning in the context of V5 Lasombra
You tend to use really good background music for this kind of videos, if it's not much to ask, may we get a list in the community notes, so that everyone that wants to know can see for themselves, instead of asking?
A 3rd gen Lasombra could EASILY take out a huge group of mortals. Dominate level 7 and command a couple dozen of them to start killing the rest of them. Obtenebration level 10 creates a black hole to suck them into the Abyss. Potence level 9 and celerity level 2 and every swing of his arms would kill everyone within reach.
@Dantes230 In WoD, the U.S. government knows a lot about the Kindred, i.e. Project Twilight. Once they knew where he was they could start dropping 30,000 LB Bunker Busters once the sun came up. They could drop a 20 megaton nuke if necessary. Snipers with 25mm rifles could shoot him from over 1000 meters. Apache helicopters, AC-130 Gun Ships, A-10s and F-35s. Lasombra don't have Fortitude or Celerity in clan so they wouldn't have high levels of either. Although with the 3rd gen you don't really know their capabilities. Any Kindred that is over 12,000 years old could even have an out of clan discipline at level 10. That one Nictuku, Vasilev or something, she is about 12,000 years old and is god-like. So the 3rd gen are older and more powerful than that. Auspex level 10 is like seeing the future so kind of hard to defeat a 3rd gen with that. Celerity level 10 is like teleporting from one place to another. Fortitude level 10 is almost invulnerability. Protean you sink hundreds of feet into the ground or into the center of a mountain. Animalism level 10 and you control every animal within 10 miles or something, in Africa you'd have an army of hundreds of lions, cheetahs, leopards, gorillas, baboons, elephants. rhinos, hippos, snakes, crocodiles, etc. You could only beat that with a nuke. Presence/Dominate level 10, you walk into Fort Bragg and have Delta Force, 5th Special Forces Group, 82nd Airborne and 101st Air Assault as your personal army, again, have to drop a nuke. Obfuscate level 10, you could replace the President, maybe, as it doesn't work on cameras. Did I forget anything ? One thing I've always said, Cain would have such powerful Temporis he could do anything he wanted.
@@damianayre2130 They confirmed he didn't, and to his knowledge/memory it was an Assimite who drank the Antediluvian, while Montano couldn't remember anyone who did and realized his memory was tampered with. And the Assimite who supposedly did that extremely rare diablore has mostly done nothing since, which is suspicious
Nit sure if Lazar of stygia still does videos but I found some net vampires that need some videos going through my books there are the gargoyles the lasombra and tzimicie anttrinebu clan samidie and the rediscovered salubri the cappadocians and the recently awakend Lazarus
Nice one! My Magister's got Gratiano in his lineage. Serves currently as an archbishop in Hamburg, Germany and follows the "Path of Power and the Inner Voice". Oh, by the way, there's another source that says that Monçada followed the PIV as well. Not the "Path of Night".
Oh, well, I am playing as a Keeper of the Monçada lineage, and he now is a templar in an assault of the Anarch Free State despite being less than a year old an still somehow maintaining a decent Humanity. But he is slowly getting towards following Path of Power and Inner Voice. Or Path of Night.
Lasombra the guys that never goes out anywhere before they are told by mom or dad, if they say jump you jump. They are so goddamn scared of going out and get diablerized to get their powers stolen, because the hole they live in is dark....and they love the dark their dad is in the dark somewhere, we dont know exactly where but Giovanni probably know.
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I am very fond of the idea that, just as the Beast turns vampires base nature more predatory, it also subtly lessens their parental instincts. This is the only logical explanation in my mind as to how beings of such age and intelligence could repeatedly make such obvious child rearing mistakes over and over again across the centuries.
Or maybe thy just can't learn their lesson.
@@spiritofarkham1235 bam
I mean, one needs only look at older individuals IRL to see that age and recurring experience is not inherently conducive to wisdom. Just as humans get more set in their ways as they age, so do vampires. They resist change, and will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to believe they're right in doing so.
One could argue that the biggest flaw of vampires is that they are all simply too human.
@@Tencelas One could argue that the term human is extremely vague and could be used to describe almost any attribute that exists and is thus pretty useless as a description. Your talking about a category that includes both Ghengis Khan and Helen Keller.
Ambrosio Luis Monçada being able to use True Faith without even following the Road of Heaven. Truly a vampire's pro-gamer move.
If God has a use for monsters, then it behooves Cardinal Monçada to be the greatest monster possible. /SabbatLogic
@@lazarofstygia2241 Not necessarily the entire Sabbat, just the Path of Night followers, even though Monçada follows the Path of Power and the Inner Voice. Still pro-gamer move being able to use holy powers without acting like a paladin.
@@DarkAdonisVyers was it true faith? Or just a intimate check with 8 wins? Inquiring minds want to know. Could one even use dominate in a way to make it seem like faith...
Look deeper. Be more cynical.
# hail litu
@@stevesmith9617 His stat block confirms he has Truth Faith 3
Great vid! I am a big Lasombra fan.
Talley should've been here too.
I loved the occult rites of the lassombra described in the dark ages setting.
I always thought combining the dark ages books with v20 gave all the clans so much flavour and depth...
I agree! I ran a few Dark-ages, to Gehenna games. It worked out perfectly. :)
I really enjoy your content. I don’t get to play VTM anymore, so being able to hear the lore helps. Thanks for your time and content man!
this video is SO underrated. you did a great job w it and its sad to see such little interaction
Given that Lasombra & Tzimisce are my two most viewed, it just means there are people who have excellent and patrician taste in vampires.
Best clan!!
But also it terrifying me to think of their clans!!!
Awesome video man!
Thanks.
I'm glad i get to hear facinating lore about my favorite clan. Appreciated, and please keep up the great work
Will do as time permits.
Lasombra is my favorite. They remind me heavily of the Orzhov Syndicate vampires from Ravnica. "Mafia Catholic Shadowmancers".
Lasombra is the direct inspiration for a lineage from my own VtM homage in OSR rpg: Nosumbra. Very much Dorian Grey syndrome where they are beautiful to behold except in their own eyes: their reflected image reveals the monstrosity and grotesquery of their true form.
Still a work in progress; I am considering each Nosumbra only seeing it's own true form....hence other vampires look exactly as they seem, stoking the vile envy and consuming jealousy of each Nosumbra for it's fellows, fraying the otherwise firm clan family bonds.
That was a ramble, don't mind me; Too much afternoon vitae- I meeeean coffee.
Great vid!
I've been curious about the OSR but haven't sat down and read it yet.
That sounds cool to me, have you developed it further?
Fallout ×world of darkness that game would be epic
As much as I distrust Bethesda, an open world FO4 Vtm World Of Darkness game would be insanely amazing, what a dream
Talley is all I’m gonna say. This was great
Narses intrigues me so much I've no idea why
The way these names roll off your tongue is like honey. I'm impress.
Just the first i watched and it was not only insightful, but nice to listen. Audio could better, but it is clear enough. Great idea btw.
Loved the video. Only thing is Monçada, ç is pronounced SS instead of K.
Oops.
@@lazarofstygia2241 it's okay. Common mistake for english speakers.
*_Terrific!_* I especially loved the last few, as the *Clan Novels* are some of my favorite books to read.
I first read the series when it was 13 paperbacks. And then I read it two more more times when it was published as four giant trade paperbacks in chronological order. I'm continually surprised at the quality of the writing in that series. Although, I probably shouldn't be, given how well the narrative elements of the game are written. But still, you don't expect this from books inspired by a role playing game. . .At least, _I hadn't._
They are _easily_ *my favorite vampire books.* While I'm in my early 50s, I certainly haven't read _all_ of the vampire novels out there. So, take that as you will. 🤷🏼♂️
Great video!
White Wolf turned out a lot of material in the 1990s, some better than others, but all of it was interesting and fun.
id say lasombra are more a mix of tremere and ventrue, rather than just being sabat ventrue. theyre occultists but theyre also nobles.
That why i like the lasombra clan in the vampire masquerade i wish i could choose them in bloodlines 2
@Dantes230 Abyss Mystics.
An antediluvian of the ocean is far more sinister to me than any other
@Dantes230*cough* Absamilliard *cough* *cough*
why does this dude only has a few thousands views ? the fuck...
Just now finding these, there's a few names I would have liked to see on here. But great video and great idea.
The Lasombra are a pretty robust clan. The list had to be pared down to fit.
I ❤️ Love Vampires. Thank you very Much ❤️😇🙏
I honestly thought Dracula would be Lasombra when i started learning. I thought they fit him better
I mean Tzimisce see humans as tools and materials just as much as Lasombra, plus I'm like 70% sure that Tzimisce were made specifically with Dracula in mind but idk, he could've just as easily been Nosferatu
Are people playing "Nursery by Night" nowadays?? Why else would you need this secondary knowledge of child-rearing ?
To be fair, Giovani do seem to be parents as competent as parents can be, better than most, since their family remains strong. With new talents entering the night generation after generation. Perhaps the Tzimisce are decently able to raise children as well, since they have considerable success in keep lineages of ghouls.
Of course, the Tzimisce raise those children as war-hounds, not exactly the same than raise them as future people. Still, the Giovany example remains valid!
It's not a problem of vampires in general, just a problem of Lasombras.
I think I saw in the Arch channel something about the next "Vampire Bloodlines" attempt being intended to have a elder as PC. If they go for that, they could include some mechanic to allow us to raise our biological children (generated before embrace) or adoptive ones. Up to the point in life when they are adult, and we must choose to let them die from old age or embrace our pets.
That would be an interesting, and unexpected, spice for a Bloodlines game. A drop of The Sims.
If they do that, then the secondary trait of child-rearing may prove to be a valid investment of XP.
Imagine how cool VTM Fallout would be loool
Hey i love your videos. where is the background music from? and could i maybe use it for my campaign?
The Lasombra are Vampire's Sith.
Obtenebration is a path to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.
@@lazarofstygia2241 Un-Leemited POWAHH!
Unrelated but "Elder Scrolls: Oblivion" takes on a very different, altogether more interesting meaning in the context of V5 Lasombra
@@tylerh2548 Please elaborate
@@tylerh2548 oblivion is bs
Well Nietzsches übermench is absolutely mandatory step in reaching real understanding of reality.. So i will definetely watch the video ^^
You tend to use really good background music for this kind of videos, if it's not much to ask, may we get a list in the community notes, so that everyone that wants to know can see for themselves, instead of asking?
A 3rd gen Lasombra could EASILY take out a huge group of mortals. Dominate level 7 and command a couple dozen of them to start killing the rest of them. Obtenebration level 10 creates a black hole to suck them into the Abyss. Potence level 9 and celerity level 2 and every swing of his arms would kill everyone within reach.
@Dantes230 In WoD, the U.S. government knows a lot about the Kindred, i.e. Project Twilight. Once they knew where he was they could start dropping 30,000 LB Bunker Busters once the sun came up. They could drop a 20 megaton nuke if necessary. Snipers with 25mm rifles could shoot him from over 1000 meters. Apache helicopters, AC-130 Gun Ships, A-10s and F-35s. Lasombra don't have Fortitude or Celerity in clan so they wouldn't have high levels of either. Although with the 3rd gen you don't really know their capabilities. Any Kindred that is over 12,000 years old could even have an out of clan discipline at level 10. That one Nictuku, Vasilev or something, she is about 12,000 years old and is god-like. So the 3rd gen are older and more powerful than that. Auspex level 10 is like seeing the future so kind of hard to defeat a 3rd gen with that. Celerity level 10 is like teleporting from one place to another. Fortitude level 10 is almost invulnerability. Protean you sink hundreds of feet into the ground or into the center of a mountain. Animalism level 10 and you control every animal within 10 miles or something, in Africa you'd have an army of hundreds of lions, cheetahs, leopards, gorillas, baboons, elephants. rhinos, hippos, snakes, crocodiles, etc. You could only beat that with a nuke. Presence/Dominate level 10, you walk into Fort Bragg and have Delta Force, 5th Special Forces Group, 82nd Airborne and 101st Air Assault as your personal army, again, have to drop a nuke. Obfuscate level 10, you could replace the President, maybe, as it doesn't work on cameras. Did I forget anything ?
One thing I've always said, Cain would have such powerful Temporis he could do anything he wanted.
@Dantes230 I never came across that in any of the books, but I'm only into OLD WoD, before Gehenna.
It's likely in those ancient days, Lucian had not yet mastered his Obtenebration or his Dominate.
@@ssjjshawn Did they ever verify that Gratiano had become 3rd Gen by diablerie ?
@@damianayre2130 They confirmed he didn't, and to his knowledge/memory it was an Assimite who drank the Antediluvian, while Montano couldn't remember anyone who did and realized his memory was tampered with.
And the Assimite who supposedly did that extremely rare diablore has mostly done nothing since, which is suspicious
Thank you for upload :)
Damn i miss your videos 😢
Nit sure if Lazar of stygia still does videos but I found some net vampires that need some videos going through my books there are the gargoyles the lasombra and tzimicie anttrinebu clan samidie and the rediscovered salubri the cappadocians and the recently awakend Lazarus
Oh, I do.
Nice one! My Magister's got Gratiano in his lineage. Serves currently as an archbishop in Hamburg, Germany and follows the "Path of Power and the Inner Voice".
Oh, by the way, there's another source that says that Monçada followed the PIV as well. Not the "Path of Night".
Oh, well, I am playing as a Keeper of the Monçada lineage, and he now is a templar in an assault of the Anarch Free State despite being less than a year old an still somehow maintaining a decent Humanity. But he is slowly getting towards following Path of Power and Inner Voice. Or Path of Night.
I was wondering the whole video what's the background music, soo atmospheric
It is Vampire The Redemption's OST. You are welcome.
@@BaldPolishBiotechnol a massive thank you!
Lucita is my favorite.
Spanish princesses with daddy issues. Can't beat it.
name of music?
It's pronounced MON-SAH-DAH. The cedilla under the Ç is an S sound.
Ok so you pronounce the laten for lasombra correctly but bruja (brew-ha) is too much?
Isn't Marcus Vitel still alive in the new V5 continuity?
Apparently he is.
He is, but is tricky...and very amazing. You can check it here: www.drivethrurpg.com/product/225322/V20-Becketts-Jyhad-Diary
That's a strong maybe my dude..
I think the hint is it's actually Sybil in disguise
Lol at "low-rent Ventrue".
My favorite clans in vampire the masquerade is either the brujah or the lasombra
3:56 i liked it
Antediluvians don't make very good parental figures.
i wonder what Mesaiaesoterica thinks about that..the on;y 1 living vampire in PL, on FB
Hellooooo Carolina Valez!
"the use of a weapon so terrible that not even the antedeluvians could survive it - Nukes!"
Ravnos founder who took one to the face and lived - "lol".
Your awesome
Lasombra the guys that never goes out anywhere before they are told by mom or dad, if they say jump you jump. They are so goddamn scared of going out and get diablerized to get their powers stolen, because the hole they live in is dark....and they love the dark their dad is in the dark somewhere, we dont know exactly where but Giovanni probably know.
Where's our homeboy Talley?
Shadow people, are only real in your dreams.... hold on a second
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I just made this vid get 666 likes, and I'm very proud of that.
I thought Palonia was dead?