Bought my P1cc 10 years ago in the UK when i fitted kitchens it has been used and abused its cut granite with diamond blades and now here in NEW Zealand its finally getting an easier life as i make motorhomes now, Without doubt its the best jigsaw that has ever been manufactured, my first jigsaw was a professional Bosch one around the late 80s since then i have destroyed countless makitas, matabos, hitachi (didn't last long) and a festool jigsaw before buying the mafell, this one is the one to buy, Good demo of what the jigsaw can do especially when fitted with Mafell's blades.
I've found it one of the more dependable jigsaws I've owned too. One thing I didn't mention is I find it doesn't get that hot compared to others and isn't as hard on blades. Because it doesn't have guide rollers maybe? Not sure. I do still think the corded Bosch GST160's and Festool Trions are are good solid machines but the only jigsaw I'd swap to now is a cordless P1CC if Mafell ever make one.
@@BischBaschBosch 900W + 20% loss in driver = 1080W 1080/18V= 60A The 8Ah pack is good up to 80-88A so it can be done. 8Ah minus 20% cut off = 6.4Ah 6.4/60x3600=384 s or 6 min and 24 sec. run time on one 8 Ah battery.
Hi 👋, A Great territorial on the Mafell P1CC , I purchased mine when I first came out many years ago great bit of kit well worth the money. Now retired , and still going strong, PHIL FROM THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOULIN FRANCE.
@@BischBaschBosch Hi 👋, Yes Moulin is A mill , in English. As for MAFELL I have a lot of there tools, Festool is a great tool as well, I have a lot of of there tools as well, I am now 71 years young, I wished I was still at work, I miss it a lot. I still do a little bit but on my own property. And over the last two or three years I’ve got more into listening to music, This is why I put the comment at that at the end. Obviously from Pink Floyd, THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON , OR IN MY CASE MOULIN. 🌘😂 🎵. Keep up the great work stay safe look forward to your next territorial, PHIL FROM THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOULIN. 🤔🤣
@@philvale5724 I was just in France for the first time this past fall. I was in the Normandy area . The carpentry and construction blew me away. I loved just driving around and looking at the houses and older buildings. Cheers from the US
I think why they don't come with a light is that in many parts of Europe and the world they actually hold/use the jigsaw "upside-down" (to us Brits anyway) and so the light would be shining in your eyes or just out of sight completely. I have had the p1CC for nearly 2 years and have fully converted to the reverse cut, its a game changer, lets say you take a piece of kitchen end panel and pencil a scribe on to it, you can use the jigsaw with no fear of chip out on the face side due to the blade cutting down through the face instead of up like the regular pistol grip jigsaws, (i did use to use down cut blades before this but they were a pain to get hold of) My biggest issue was that they didnt design the box with a 110v plug in mind and so i cut out the plastic below the tilt base so that sat deeper in the box allowing just enough room to store the plug, or you end up cutting it off like you did!! Nice review dude!
Good point Chris. I use mine upside down a lot too. I only filmed on top cuts as it's easier to film. These barrel grips are actually designed with upside down use in mind. On my 18v Bosch barrel grip, you can turn the light on/off so you don't get blinded. I never got on with down cut blades either. Found they could get a bit jumpy. Another bonus about upside down cutting is, light or no light, you line is always unobstructed. Ideal for scribes. Cheers.
Are you using this saw upside down when you are doing your end panels or any scribes for that matter? I think that’s what you said -I’m just not 100% Thinking on picking this saw up , just got their track saw a little bit ago and never had a jig saw that was “true” Thanks
Thanks mate. Yeah, until they bring out a cordless replacement (which they keep promising) this will hopefully help folk know what they can expect. It's a beast!
Great review, very informative and clear concise feedback. Funny you mention dust collection, that is also an issue for the Festool 420 that i think we all wish could be improved. A favorite function of the 420 for me is the lights along with the lights shutting off when placed upside down, but the Mafell has always peaked an interest for me as i hear about its "zero blade deflection". At this point, i think i will wait as ive wanted a cordless jigsaw for convenience purposes over the corded.
Thank you!! It really is surprising how effective a shroud around the blade is for jigsaws. My cordless Bosch has one and is almost distress with it. Has a light you can turn on and off too. I still prefer the Mafell for its faults. It just feels like a confident, unimpeded cut if that makes any sense. Is the 420 the old Trion? Good saw.
@@BischBaschBosch the 420 is their newer jigsaw. Offered in both d-handle and barrel. Once I got my hands on a barrel grip, I’ve never looked back. Especially when you add a Collins coping foot, it’s really nice to hold. I think my favorite thing about the festool as well it’s that it’s lightweight (corded, can’t speak for cordless). Makes a difference when coping but the weight is nice to have when cutting from the top
@@BischBaschBosch I really need to stop watching your videos because I am going to go broke and the wife is going to divorce me. I have bought several Jigsaws and I just came to the conclusion that there is no solution to a wondering blade.
@@rickyperkins232 Ha! Well, if it's s tool you need or use every day to earn your keep, you can tell her it's an investment. That's what I do😁 Yeah, blade deflection is always a thing with jigsaws, even with the Mafell. Only the cunex blades make the difference really. Although they genuinely do enable a square cut they only make them in 75mm and quite an aggressive tooth pattern. No fine cut or long blade options. For these you have to use standard blades - which can deflect. There are other things going for the Mafell as well though. Its really powerful. Really solidly built (this makes it quite heavy for a corded). Plus there's the accessories available to make versatile, as shown in the vid. Hell of an investment for a jigsaw but never regretted buying it.
Tis a thing of beauty! Very impressive accuracy of cut. Mafell may be pricey but if you need the accuracy and bomb proof durability, they are well worth the money. It needs an l.e.d. on it though...as I get older I can't follow a pencil line unless it's lit up like a Christmas tree
Nice video's you have...I've been using this Jig Saw for about 8 years now...replacing a Metabo Jig saw which was 20 years old and with a tiny screw in filament bulb !!! WHY Mafell can't build in a light is baffling !!!! superb tool though with plenty of grunt...!!!
Cheers Peter. Well, as normal jiggies go, the Trion is a good solid one. I think at this price range, these tools have to be something you need. Is a hell of a saw though.
Interesting video but what's the point of that power and rigidity if the biggest cunex blade available only cuts to about 60mm. I would want it for railway sleepers fence posts and the like, at least 110mm depth of cut.
Cheers. The power it has is to push a nearly 3mm wide cunex blade through wood at 50-60mm. That's circular saw territory. For cutting sleepers, sure, you could slot in one of the oversize standard jigsaw blades at 140-210mm in length but the blade all wander. Fine for one or 2 cuts but, if you want to do a lot of sleeper cuts, a jigsaw is the wrong tool for the job. You'll want a chainsaw.
Great Vid, have a the Mafell plunge saw and jigsaw and wanted to pick your brains over the square you used attached the rail in the jigsaw video. I have used the bevel square rail attachment that I got with my saw but don’t believe it to be very accurate. have you had experiences with this?. What rail square do you use?. I cut a lot of sheeted materials and I need to find a more accurate method. Many thanks and keep up the good work. 👍
Thanks Stephen. The rail square I was using is the one from benchdogs.co.uk . The Bosch/Mafell rail compatible one is a recent addition to the range. This one was kindly sent to me by BD. Personalised too! I'll be doing a review of it soon.👍
First of all, thanks for the video and cool that you're also (still) answering so thoroughly. I was wondering if you could also give me some advice, a DIY-er with ambitions to do more home rebuilding in the next couple of years. I was looking for the proper saws in order to this work, a part of which is rough construction work, but one of the most challenging things that see are things such as kitchen tops that need a very neat finish (I am thinking of the laminated kinds of 4 to 5 cm thickness). There's other stuff I'd use this for, but you've demonstrated already how well this works for solid wood. As this is not my profession, I was thrilled to find out that with some of the more expensive jigsaws, e.g. the Bosch Professional GST 160 CE or a GST V18-155 SC, you could hook this up to a rail such as the one you use (FSN 1100) by making use of this plastic adapter (FSN SA), and you'd be able to cut 'perfect' straight lines. As these jigsaws are of a better kind, also non-straight lines should be doable (such as the corners for a kitchen sinks with rounded corners), I hoped. As it is not a problem for me to spend twice the time or even more on that on a certain cut, I thought this might be a decent approach, and I'll invest in a proper plunge saw or maybe even a circular saw later on. Not completely convinced yet, looking into the different jigsaw mechanisms (e.g. the double roller on the GST 160 CE) and already thinking why they don't just make thicker or wider jigsaw blades for reducing the deflection, I ended up looking for comparisons and found your video, which was very useful. I was wondering if you think this approach while investing in this Mafell P1CC makes any sense or am I too far off what is sensible (I'll skip the Makita, Bosch Professional, Festool, etc. like many others have seem to have gone through). To me, it looks like the Mafel P1CC can make very decent 90 degrees cuts that are will be hard to distinguish from proper circular saw cuts. And investing in this Mafel P1CC means investing for something for life, which is something I can appreciate. I'll have a saw that can do the corner cuts very well and the straight line cuts quite decently, just much slower and by spending more money on blades I guess. But I'll only be doing this work where 90 degrees cuts are a important less than 10 times per year, so that is fine. Does this make any sense, you think? :-). If I phrase this differently: what are the specific reasons for still not using this tool for work with rails? Is it mainly a time-is-money reason, are the blades to expensive for these large cuts, or is the result still less than desirable if you demand a professional finish? Or something else of course. As for the Cunex W1 blades, which are the main star and differentiator of the machine as you seem to mention (and that makes a lot of sense to me), they seem relatively rough / have a relatively low tooth count. Do they provide a fine enough finish for something like this laminated wood? Edit: I can also see the Mafel P1CC doing very well in cutting the bottom of baseboards that are to be placed on an uneven floor, something that can be done with a circular saw, jigsaw, planer or belt sander I understand.
For laminate kitchen worktops, or indeed melamine faced material such as that used for the cabinets,, your best tools for a clean finish (that doesn't chip the brittle laminate) are routers and plunge saws. Using a sink cut out as an example, you d route a shallow pass - 4-5mm - to deal with the laminate, following a template. You can then use a jigsaw to more quickly cut out the central waste part. Then switch back to the router to flush trim. The same sort of cut out with a plunge saw is much quicker. Lay out your cut out with tape. Align a short guide rail and do a shallow pass for the laminate first, then full depth plunge cut. Where material is left at the corners due to the circular blade you just finish with a fine hand saw. You can use jigsaws for scribing cabinets or worktops to walls but you must use a fine tooth blade to limit chip out. If you've not done it before, I'd highly recommend practicing on an offcut. The Cunex blades are no good for such work. They're more of a first fix construction tool. If the scribe at the back of a worktop is more or less a straight line, use a plunge saw and just refine with a block plane The p1cc with standard jigsaw blades is no more reliably square cutting than any other good quality jigsaw. For fairly solid advice and demonstration of kitchen fitting, including masons mitres, Skill Builders channel has a decent series from some time ago. Hope this helps.👍
@@BischBaschBosch Thanks for the info, that does help. I should really look into a plunge saw instead I believe, for the P1CC money I could get a decent plunge saw instead, or still spend some extra and go for the Mafell MT 55, although at plunge saws, I think there is less to gain from a Mafell than with the jigsaw. And a router is also something I should consider. But I barely know those tools yet. From what I understand, I'd need a relatively big one that can do the 5 cm worktops. What I don't fully understand is that you say that the Cunex jigsaw blades are a "first fix construction tool". I'm not a native English speaker and I don't understand what this means. Moreover, I was wondering where you use the Mafell jigsaw and Cunex W1 blades for. I do understand the part that they do not have a fine tooth blade, so this could lead to more chip out, although this is somewhat of a surprise to me after I've taken a look at various reviews and marketing materials from Mafell. Maybe they were not using the cunex W1 blades in those cases. I've started to check out the Skill Builders kitchen series and also some kitchen worktop videos from LTW carpentry ruclips.net/video/cXOwH9pWIQI/видео.html. Thanks again.
@@odi8359 "First fix" refers to initial framing. Second fix is fit and finish - in the U.K. anyway. I honestly think a good idea for you would be to buy used machines. Spend any saved money from your budget on decent blades and cutters. For example a decent "triple chip " blade for a plunge saw, specifically made for laminates. Best if luck.👍
Did you add the quick disconnect? Great video ! I just got the mafell t-55 track saw and track today . Still geeking out over how perfect it is ….this jigsaw is on my list after I get their dual doweler Cheers!
Yeah, I put the connectors on. They're Neutrik Powercon True1 Top connectors. I have a video on them somewhere. Been a big fan of Mafell saws and routers for years. Very well built and specced. Not cheap but, worth the money if you're a serious user.👍
@@BischBaschBosch Thanks BischBaschBosch, happy holidays - I checked out that video and will be popping those connectors on some other tools - especially ones that are long past voiding a warranty
Not anytime soon mate. I'm much more likely to get the new Lo55 router first. I don't work on site anymore and am workshop based. Only use a jigsaw now and again so the old corded mafell will suffice.👍
Looks a great bit of kit and would be tempted to buy one. Do you know what the longest cunex blade is? Would work perfect on the track cutting insulation boards if these blades are available.
As jigsaws go, it's quite a machine. They are working on a cordless version apparently. Only 1 size of cunex blade unfortunately. 75mm. Good for about a 50mm cut. The teeth are quite aggressive too so not great for insulation. I have used a long bosch blade in it for insulation. Can't remember it's code but looks like a bread knife. Works well on 150mm celotex.
I would say to check the most obvious first. Check the blade you're using is actually straight. Also check that your base connection is free of debris and seated properly. If it is under warranty, send it back to Mafell, describing the problem.
No probs. Was answering comments when yours popped up.😁 . I'd say your best bet for decorative corbels is first make a ply temple of your pattern. Mark your piece and cut about 8-10mm into the waste with a jigsaw with a long blade. Then fix your template and use a router with a long flute and guide bearing top (shank end) to finish nicely. This should give you nice clean uniform results.
Great video as always, thank you. I'm considering getting one as I'm tiered of wandering blades. The thing I'm concerned about it is the price of the CUnex W1 blades. Do they last longer than a normal bosch blades. they are like 4 times the price, do they last 4 times longer as well ? I guess the fact that there is no blade guide, there would be less friction, therefore less heat which is the enemy of blades. I go through so many blades, I need to take that into consideration. What is your take on that ? Thank you for your advice and all your great videos.
Thanks alec. I find they last very well. Whether that's due to them keeping an edge I don't know. Might just be they're an aggressive tooth pattern and super stiff so cut well even if dull🤷♂️ I tend to use a ranch of bosch blades for general cuts and only whip out the Cunex where it's important to have that straight 90 cut. Very competent jigsaw though, even with other blades. I know mafell are working on a cordless version if that interests but seems slow in coming.
@@BischBaschBosch I did hear about that somewhere and I think they run on metabo battery line. Will have to see if it holds up that extra power as well as the corded one. It might weigh quite a bit though 😅 I ordered some bosch T144 DHM blades in the mean time to see if they really last 50x longer as they advertise. The precision ones are also thicker and wonder a bit less. Thanks for your input on the Cunex blades. Have a nice holiday and keep up the good work.
Yes, they're Neutrik Powercon True1 TOP connectors. I show fitting them in the following vid with links in that videos description.👍ruclips.net/video/jnQPcGuLKzk/видео.html
I disagree with dust extraction with an extractor its almost perfect and without one the jigsaw uses its own motor to blow the dust thru the hole in the front and out the back i think its best in class. Another unique thing about the jigsaw is because it doesn't use a roller u can flip around the blade for cutting from below. Great review I enjoyed it where did u get the cord adapter for shorteni g the cord?
You know, I did mean to mention both of those things - the blower and ability to cut backwards. Some of these points get lost in the process sometimes. They do for me anyway. I find the blower one side, extraction the other works OK with a fine cut blade, pendulum backed off. But in my experience, as soon as you use a more coarse blade and pendulum setting, the blade action throws dust up, This doesn't give the extraction a chance to remove it. The blower and blade action mean chips/dust just get thrown up and rightwards. That's why I mention it'd benefit from a shroud. Don't know why Mafell don't make one having put so much thought into the blower/extraction. The cable connectors are Neutrik PowerCon True1. Obsolete now but their new version is the PowerCon True1 Top. They're compatible. The only real difference is the Top have silver/grey detail rather than yellow. Did a vid on them as it happens: ruclips.net/video/jnQPcGuLKzk/видео.html
I think Mafell will slowly expand their wireless range, being in the CAS (Cordless Alliance System), with Metabo providing the know-how. Their drill-drivers are Metabo based anyways.
Another great video, do you have any experience using the KSS saws from mafell ? I'm looking for a bit of a do it all circular saw and its between the kss and hkc55 at the moment. I'm a home gamer so its not for professional use but I hate cheap tools so price isn't really a concern.
Hi Tomo. I don't have a Kss but have used them. They are pretty much a do it all saw. Not only do they have/work with cross cut rails but also standard guide rails. While more akin to a standard circular saw, they do have the ability to plunge cut also. They don't have quite the finesse of a dedicated plunge saw but a good contender for "if you could only have 1 saw..."
You can get a nice cut with a kss. Blade choice and condition is always key of course. But the MT55 has a much high rpm. This is beneficial for clean cuts, especially on laminates.
May I ask for some advice? I work almost entirely on cabinetry, so I'd basically only ever be using a jigsaw to scribe face frames etc. I love my Mafell Track saw and am trying to work out if this jigsaw is overkill for the sort of thing I'd be doing? For cordless stuff I'm on the dewalt battery system so the alternative would be the 18v dewalt barrel grip saw. Any thoughts on which way I should go? Thanks for a great channel
It's a good question. Personally, using the mafell with the cunex blade I find excellent for scribes. Not just because the blade has next to no wander like other jigsaw and blade combos but also, the cunex blade being so stiff, it's great for undercutting scribes. You can use it to carve away. Far more effective than standard blades. That said, it's quite an investment compared to others. Very hard for me to say whether it's worth it for you. I also have an 18v Bosch barrel grip. There's a lot to be said for the convenience of a cordless jigsaw. Especially onsite. Hope this helps in some way.
Thanks Max. Generally, pendulum off is for a fine/clean cut, on is for a more aggressive cut. Pendulum is useful for cuts along the grain (rip) or thicker stock for example. It's also faster cutting. Medium will reasonably clean and quick. On plywood, I tend to have the pendulum off or on a low or medium so as not to splinter the edges too much. Have it off for metal cutting too. You can sort of match the setting by blade too. The finer tooth the blade, the less pendulum generally. Hope this helps.
Great video mate, looking to get one myself soon, I want to put on the Festool converter on. I see you’ve changed your cord. Was it a simple process? Cheers
Cheers buddy. It's a decent jigsaw for sure. I use the Neutrik True 1 Top connectors. Piece of cake to fit. I did a video on them if you're interested here: ruclips.net/video/jnQPcGuLKzk/видео.html I think if you wanted to fit a Festool Plug-it cable, they come with a short cord already attached to the connector so fitting it would be slightly different. You'd have to open the saw body where the power cord enters, unscrew the old cable and change for the Plug-it. Still, no more difficult than wiring a standard plug end of the day.👍
Hi. A few Chinese outlets sell the same stuff - aliexpress, wish even ebay and amazon etc. I use banggood though as, to the UK at least, I've found they deliver the quickest. 8-10 working days most of the time. I've a host of Banggood tool review vids on my channel and a playlist of them all. They all have the Banggood links in the description too. I've also noticed that Rutlands has started selling a lot of these Chinese tool too, though anodised black and branded Rutlands. Hope this helps.
Do you have any idea when the cordless version is coming to market? I have gotten spoiled with my FLEX jigsaw, no cord,, lots of light, it blows to clear the line of site with 24 volt stack lithium ion batteries.
No mate. Been hearing from retailers and importers that they've been "working on it" for about 5 years now. Still nothing. I'm surprised tbh. They've successfully produced cordless versions of their other smaller saws🤷♂️
@@NonaNona-zh4mt I think when it comes to Mafell and their cordless jigsaw, they suffer from nuclear fusion syndrome - it's always just around the corner, yet never seems to happen! Some reps at fairs last were saying they had actually started working on one and "might be next year" but who knows🤷♂️
Thanks Mark! I mean, possibly if mounted upside down. Although for detailed scroll type work you'd need a fine jigsaw blade in which case, there's no real benefit of the mafell over any other decent jigsaw. I think for delicate work I'd still choose a scroll saw. Capable as the mafell is, it's more of a construction and fabrication tool.
How did you get the p1cc base plate to engage when the blade was pushed to the front? I can get it slid forward but can't get the base plate to tighten up
It should engage just fine bud. If yours isn't, remove the base plate and make sure the slot in the base for blade-front is dust free. You could also try backing off the allen a 1/4 turn or so for the little locking plate. I had to tweak the tightness of mine so it was just right in both positions.
@BischBaschBosch I've just had a good look at my base plate and I've just noticed that the groove edges have broken off, I'll order a replacement. Thanks for getting back to me
Good review man. I’ve got one but don’t tend to use it. Cordless makita mostly. But if they released a cordless p1cc I’d be havin it. Have you tried the Collins copeing foot on it?
Same, I have the DJV 181, I love it now that I managed to find out how to turn off softstart. How is the Mafell stability/flexing compared to the Makita?
Cheers Rory. Do love the idea of the coping foot but the Mafell compatible one is about 80 quid I think. Not sure I'd use it enough to warrant it. I find the Mafell with a cunex blade ideal for most of my scribes. The blades so stiff I use it almost like a carving tool, the base riding on an edge if you catch my drift.
Great video and lots of good information. I’m in the market for a new jigsaw and looking at getting a collins coping foot - this video has helped a lot! One question not covered: where can I find the really small systainer and what’s the name of it? I imagine it’s really good for storing jigsaw blades. I can find the Festool SYS3 XXS but can’t seem to find the Mafell equivelent one. I’d appreciate any help on this!
Cheers David. They are a great jigsaw. If it was cordless and had a light, it'd be the ultimate! The Cunex blades and it's power do set it apart from others though. Not used the coping foot. Not really need for what I do now. I would imagine that the coping foot with a cunex blade would a perfect combo! The little box is called a micro systainer. The mafell ones were a promotional item so hard to find. They do come up in eBay now and again. Found a link to someone selling them in Europe - www.gereedschappro.nl/mafell-micro-systainer-t-loc-grijzig-met-rood-uniek-en-alleen-bij-ons-microsys
Thanks for getting back to me. I’m close to pulling the trigger on a P1 CC. I do a lot of renovation work and will look into getting the coping foot as well (don’t really need the rail and already kneedeep in Festool). I managed to find the microsystainers from a company in Holland - just ordered four of them! (these should be a regular as they are great for bits and bobs)
Cheers Jason. I get sent the squares and whatnot from Banggood to review. For the money they're spot on for the most part. They don't do that square any more unfortunately. Lots of stuff like it reviewed if you browse my channel mate.👍
Unfortunately, the cunex blades that allow for good square scroll cuts are only available in 75mm. You can buy longer standard bayonet blades of course but these would be as prone to wander as with any other premium jigsaw. Why Mafell haven't released a 125mm version of the cunex for 4" stock I don't know. As it stands, 2" is about the max for the cunex.
For home shop use I generally spare no expense, Lie-Nielsen, Festool, Veritas, Woodpecker, et al. When it comes to leaving tools overnight on a job site there's always the concern of having them stolen. Having a $540 jigsaw stolen would hurt a lot worse than a $200 saw. Still, I'd love to have that mafell.
Nice. I tend not to leave stuff overnight unless there's someone on site. For the most part, I use my 18v Bosch jigsaw on site. Depends on the nature of the work though. I'm careful with all my tools tbh. I'm insured too.😁👍
I see that buying Tanos cases and roughing them up, dressing them as old-ass broken cheap tool boxes and then transplanting your inserts from mafell/festool/trend boxes into them is a thing now 😁
Can anyone comment on the size of the handle? I have smaller hands and am wondering if there is a chance it will fit. Can't get my hands on one to try out.
That's a good question. This Mafell, like a lot of barrel/body grip jigsaws is quite chunky. About the size of a can of Coke in diameter. If this would make things difficult, you might be better off with a bow handle jigsaw. Unfortunately, Mafell don't make a jigsaw of this type.
Yeah, they're Neutrick Powercon True 1Top connectors. Been using them a couple years now. No issues. I like em. Did a video on them with links in its description if interested.👍 ruclips.net/video/jnQPcGuLKzk/видео.html
After using the machine professionally for 5 years almost daylie and owning it since 3 years myself, i just found all the included addons in the systainer for dust extraction and splinter guard. Like wtf have I been doing with my life. Thanks for the vide mate!
Is the €486,- for the P1cc maxi max worth the price.Is there a better option in the market. Is the price 578.- for the MT55CC worth the price. Is there a better option in the market. I owned the festool tsc 55 cordless it was realy weak and shit to use.
Whether they're worth it or not, only you can make that call really mate. You know best the type of work you do and your needs. For me, that I can get an edge 90 degrees to a face with the P1CC and Cunex blade means doing decorative rafter and pergola tails or corbels isn't a problem. If you need a jigsaw capable of doing such irregular cuts able to keep a 90 degree edge, it's worth it. Same would go for if you work a lot with solid hardwoods where the extra power the saw has makes cutting even the hardest woods a breeze by comparison. If you don't do/need these things or you need a cordless saw, the Mafell is probably not for you. Same goes for the MT55. All the plunge saws offered by the big name brands are pretty close in terms of performance. They're all pretty good in my view. What I really like about the MT55 is it's power (the corded model), ease of blade change (as I swap blades a lot when working), it's superb dust collection, it's fine tune features and it's scoring cut (though this for many is a controversial feature). If you were to ever get the cordless MT55, it'd be worth ditching the supplied 5ah Mafell batteries supplied and getting the 8ah Metabo batteries for it. This vastly improves performance. Still probably not a match in terms of power for corded saws or even the models of saw that use 2 batteries for 36v like the Festool or Makita. The Makita also has the scoring function as it happens, and if not the Mafell or Festool, that'd probably be the saw most would recommend. It's a really good value saw.
Cheers Brian. Yeah, it's capabilities are impressive (for a jigsaw) when paired with the cunex blade. Mafell are placed pretty much like Hilti in the tool market really. Meant for commercial, every day hard slogs. Most of their machines for specialist timber framers. And serious money to boot! Bits like this jigsaw, the plunge saw, the milling motor and the drill are their most "affordable" or accessible for the average Joe I suppose. Still not cheap of course!
Just ordered mine after waiting and hoping for past three years that the cordless version would be released. Sadly that doesn't look like it will happen. On one hand that is disappointing, but on the other it is exactly the reason why i don't mind paying a very high price for Mafell tools. They don't do compromises and they don't release half-baked products. As long as they cannot make s cordless version that would match the impressive 900w and still have acceptable battery run time, they won't make it, even if it still probably would sell like crazy. If this was festool, the poor machine would probably already have more letters at the back of the model name than latin alphabet can offer
It's a strange one isn't it? The reason the corded has 900w is due to the effort needed to push the cunex blade through stock at full depth. The cunex is near as damn it 3mm thick at the cutting edge! It's like a table saw cut! Like you say, it could well be they've not had good results with that blade in cordless tests - made more difficult by a jigsaws compact body? Either way, it's s hell of a jigsaw. Sure you'll love it.👍
@@BischBaschBosch i bet i will! So far never had a disappointment from that company, and i have a fair few from them by now. I held off on buying it for so long as I only did work on site, but now that i finally have my own workshop, cable machines make more sense again. That said, as soon as they release the cordless i will be snatching it up immediately
I really rate most Bosch jigsaw blades. Use them all the time. But no. They still deflect. Yet to see anyone claim it and show perfect 90 and 45 degree cuts through thick stock like i did in this vid. Only the Cunex can do this every time in my experience. Not trying to be an asshole, just my experience.
Currently, i think it's actually the second m8st expensive as mafell are promoting the release of their cordless version - with a light! The main reason the P1CC didn't include a light was these barrel grip jigsaws a most often used upside down - especially by European users. A light shining in your face is a bit pointless used this way. My 18v Bosch barrel grip has this fantastic innovation they call an "on/off" button, or something weird like that. Maybe it'll catch on😉👍
@@BischBaschBosch Yeah, I’ve seen the new cordless one at almost £800 🤯 I can’t imagine they’ll sell many at that price. It still doesn’t make sense as like you say the light can be turned off. You can do this with the festool one.
@@HarveyJohnWillmott 😂 Yeah, with the batteries and charger it's eye watering ££ for a jigsaw!:In fairness though, typically for Mafell, it does look a super sturdy, well made machine.
Further to previous comment i just thought of another power tool that i still have that i would rate more than the Mafell! I still have my ELU TGS 173 its perfect and still cuts true! Im guessing a lot out there wont know ELU Tools or the TGS: Dewalt purchased elu so they could manufacture the saw have a look after they cheapened it: ruclips.net/video/OOYtY2P-b1Y/видео.html
Elu did some great gear. Not only well made but quite often really innovative. Their 173 flipover saw is a classic. I've been keeping my eye out for one of their ETS 3001 push/pull table saws for some time. Pretty rare though.
Ha! Well, going by how long Mafell are taking to develop and release a cordless version, I'd say your money is safe for a little while yet. Hell of a jigsaw but a hell of a lot of money for one also!
@@BischBaschBosch I have seen them reviewed a few years ago and then had a go with one at a trade show. I have a lovely Metabo that does me fine but if that did need replacing I would probable treat myself to the Mafell. The design is just so good it doesn't have any competitors.
It's a barrel grip jigsaw so most of the time, it's used upside down. It would be nice to have a light though - for those occasions working from above.
@@BischBaschBosch Upside down, this will be one of the serving options. But the main thing is normal downward work. And using this jigsaw, you won't be able to see! To watch! cutting line, not to mention backlighting. It's a terrible failure, and it's very strange why no one talks about it.
@@tripleup2012 I don't know where you are but here in the UK and EU, this type of barrel grip jigsaw is mostly used upside down to cut scribes and cut aways. It's literally what they designed for! I'm saying this as someone with over 20years in the professional trade, not some youtuber learning as they go. I've had this jigsaw for about 8 years now. I can't think of a single occasion where sighting a line was a problem. If it's not for you, that's fine.
@@BischBaschBosch I am in Russia. Basically, we have marketers and people who have been paid for advertising telling the same tales. But still, no one buys this. If you've been "practicing" for 20 years, why are you sawing an arbitrary twisted line the same way you do in the demonstrations? In real work, this never happens. I have a GST 140CE jigsaw and for some reason it provides a great overview of the workspace, which is of course strange, but it is also designed to work with both trimmings and large slabs.
@@tripleup2012 Don't take the piss mate. I'm no salesman or marketer. I bought the tool with my own money. If you can't comprehend what's being demonstrated, just move on. Don't bang on about me telling "tales" or I'll just delete you fucking comments.
Amazon reviewers in Germany report issues with the electronics followed shitty customer service by the manufacturer and costly repairs. Not exactly what you expect from a premium priced tool maker.
Never had any electronics faults on any of my Mafell kit and so never needed any service. I have needed accessories from time to time though and my local dealer put me straight on to NMA Tools, the UK's Mafell importer, and they were extremely helpful. Lesson there is buy from a reputable dealer, not Amazon. Also worth noting that the minority who've had a negative experience are far more likely to leave reviews. I take em with a pinch of salt.
Bought my P1cc 10 years ago in the UK when i fitted kitchens it has been used and abused its cut granite with diamond blades and now here in NEW Zealand its finally getting an easier life as i make motorhomes now, Without doubt its the best jigsaw that has ever been manufactured, my first jigsaw was a professional Bosch one around the late 80s since then i have destroyed countless makitas, matabos, hitachi (didn't last long) and a festool jigsaw before buying the mafell, this one is the one to buy, Good demo of what the jigsaw can do especially when fitted with Mafell's blades.
I've found it one of the more dependable jigsaws I've owned too. One thing I didn't mention is I find it doesn't get that hot compared to others and isn't as hard on blades. Because it doesn't have guide rollers maybe? Not sure. I do still think the corded Bosch GST160's and Festool Trions are are good solid machines but the only jigsaw I'd swap to now is a cordless P1CC if Mafell ever make one.
@@BischBaschBosch 900W + 20% loss in driver = 1080W
1080/18V= 60A
The 8Ah pack is good up to 80-88A so it can be done. 8Ah minus 20% cut off = 6.4Ah
6.4/60x3600=384 s or 6 min and 24 sec. run time on one 8 Ah battery.
Hi 👋, A Great territorial on the Mafell P1CC , I purchased mine when I first came out many years ago great bit of kit well worth the money.
Now retired , and still going strong, PHIL FROM THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOULIN FRANCE.
Thanks Phil. Moulins eh? Almost dead centre of France! Yeah, as jigsaws go, the P1CC is impressive. Especially using the Cunex blades. 👌
@@BischBaschBosch Hi 👋, Yes Moulin is A mill , in English. As for MAFELL I have a lot of there tools, Festool is a great tool as well, I have a lot of of there tools as well, I am now 71 years young, I wished I was still at work, I miss it a lot. I still do a little bit but on my own property.
And over the last two or three years I’ve got more into listening to music, This is why I put the comment at that at the end.
Obviously from Pink Floyd, THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON , OR IN MY CASE MOULIN. 🌘😂 🎵.
Keep up the great work stay safe look forward to your next territorial, PHIL FROM THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOULIN. 🤔🤣
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I was just in France for the first time this past fall. I was in the Normandy area . The carpentry and construction blew me away. I loved just driving around and looking at the houses and older buildings.
Cheers from the US
I think why they don't come with a light is that in many parts of Europe and the world they actually hold/use the jigsaw "upside-down" (to us Brits anyway) and so the light would be shining in your eyes or just out of sight completely. I have had the p1CC for nearly 2 years and have fully converted to the reverse cut, its a game changer, lets say you take a piece of kitchen end panel and pencil a scribe on to it, you can use the jigsaw with no fear of chip out on the face side due to the blade cutting down through the face instead of up like the regular pistol grip jigsaws, (i did use to use down cut blades before this but they were a pain to get hold of) My biggest issue was that they didnt design the box with a 110v plug in mind and so i cut out the plastic below the tilt base so that sat deeper in the box allowing just enough room to store the plug, or you end up cutting it off like you did!! Nice review dude!
Good point Chris. I use mine upside down a lot too. I only filmed on top cuts as it's easier to film. These barrel grips are actually designed with upside down use in mind. On my 18v Bosch barrel grip, you can turn the light on/off so you don't get blinded. I never got on with down cut blades either. Found they could get a bit jumpy. Another bonus about upside down cutting is, light or no light, you line is always unobstructed. Ideal for scribes. Cheers.
Are you using this saw upside down when you are doing your end panels or any scribes for that matter? I think that’s what you said -I’m just not 100%
Thinking on picking this saw up , just got their track saw a little bit ago and never had a jig saw that was “true”
Thanks
I know this video was done a few years ago, but it's still relevant. Good review. Thanks
Thanks mate. Yeah, until they bring out a cordless replacement (which they keep promising) this will hopefully help folk know what they can expect. It's a beast!
Great review, very informative and clear concise feedback. Funny you mention dust collection, that is also an issue for the Festool 420 that i think we all wish could be improved. A favorite function of the 420 for me is the lights along with the lights shutting off when placed upside down, but the Mafell has always peaked an interest for me as i hear about its "zero blade deflection". At this point, i think i will wait as ive wanted a cordless jigsaw for convenience purposes over the corded.
Thank you!! It really is surprising how effective a shroud around the blade is for jigsaws. My cordless Bosch has one and is almost distress with it. Has a light you can turn on and off too. I still prefer the Mafell for its faults. It just feels like a confident, unimpeded cut if that makes any sense. Is the 420 the old Trion? Good saw.
@@BischBaschBosch the 420 is their newer jigsaw. Offered in both d-handle and barrel. Once I got my hands on a barrel grip, I’ve never looked back. Especially when you add a Collins coping foot, it’s really nice to hold. I think my favorite thing about the festool as well it’s that it’s lightweight (corded, can’t speak for cordless). Makes a difference when coping but the weight is nice to have when cutting from the top
@@BischBaschBosch I really need to stop watching your videos because I am going to go broke and the wife is going to divorce me.
I have bought several Jigsaws and I just came to the conclusion that there is no solution to a wondering blade.
@@rickyperkins232 Ha! Well, if it's s tool you need or use every day to earn your keep, you can tell her it's an investment. That's what I do😁
Yeah, blade deflection is always a thing with jigsaws, even with the Mafell. Only the cunex blades make the difference really. Although they genuinely do enable a square cut they only make them in 75mm and quite an aggressive tooth pattern. No fine cut or long blade options. For these you have to use standard blades - which can deflect.
There are other things going for the Mafell as well though. Its really powerful. Really solidly built (this makes it quite heavy for a corded). Plus there's the accessories available to make versatile, as shown in the vid. Hell of an investment for a jigsaw but never regretted buying it.
Tis a thing of beauty! Very impressive accuracy of cut. Mafell may be pricey but if you need the accuracy and bomb proof durability, they are well worth the money. It needs an l.e.d. on it though...as I get older I can't follow a pencil line unless it's lit up like a Christmas tree
Yeah, it's a beast. I would love a light on it though. I'm a bit like you in that respect. I've really gotta book an eye test!😁
You can ad a small led light with velcro tape to stay in place
@@BarbaryStudio good idea👍
Nice video's you have...I've been using this Jig Saw for about 8 years now...replacing a Metabo Jig saw which was 20 years old and with a tiny screw in filament bulb !!! WHY Mafell can't build in a light is baffling !!!! superb tool though with plenty of grunt...!!!
Thanks mate. Yeah, it's a beast. Not only a light but would be really nice to see a cordless version too. 👍
Nice review! Would love one of these, but I use a jiggy so rarely I can’t really justify upgrading the Trion 🤷♂️👍👍
Cheers Peter. Well, as normal jiggies go, the Trion is a good solid one. I think at this price range, these tools have to be something you need. Is a hell of a saw though.
Interesting video but what's the point of that power and rigidity if the biggest cunex blade available only cuts to about 60mm. I would want it for railway sleepers fence posts and the like, at least 110mm depth of cut.
Cheers. The power it has is to push a nearly 3mm wide cunex blade through wood at 50-60mm. That's circular saw territory. For cutting sleepers, sure, you could slot in one of the oversize standard jigsaw blades at 140-210mm in length but the blade all wander. Fine for one or 2 cuts but, if you want to do a lot of sleeper cuts, a jigsaw is the wrong tool for the job. You'll want a chainsaw.
Nice video mate, I'd like to see a cordless version. But where did you get the micro mafell systainer from??
Cheers mate. Neat innit. Handy for storing some blades and splinter guards. Was just a random spot on eBay. They're not on there any more though.
Great Vid, have a the Mafell plunge saw and jigsaw and wanted to pick your brains over the square you used attached the rail in the jigsaw video. I have used the bevel square rail attachment that I got with my saw but don’t believe it to be very accurate. have you had experiences with this?. What rail square do you use?. I cut a lot of sheeted materials and I need to find a more accurate method. Many thanks and keep up the good work. 👍
Thanks Stephen. The rail square I was using is the one from benchdogs.co.uk . The Bosch/Mafell rail compatible one is a recent addition to the range. This one was kindly sent to me by BD. Personalised too! I'll be doing a review of it soon.👍
First of all, thanks for the video and cool that you're also (still) answering so thoroughly.
I was wondering if you could also give me some advice, a DIY-er with ambitions to do more home rebuilding in the next couple of years. I was looking for the proper saws in order to this work, a part of which is rough construction work, but one of the most challenging things that see are things such as kitchen tops that need a very neat finish (I am thinking of the laminated kinds of 4 to 5 cm thickness). There's other stuff I'd use this for, but you've demonstrated already how well this works for solid wood.
As this is not my profession, I was thrilled to find out that with some of the more expensive jigsaws, e.g. the Bosch Professional GST 160 CE or a GST V18-155 SC, you could hook this up to a rail such as the one you use (FSN 1100) by making use of this plastic adapter (FSN SA), and you'd be able to cut 'perfect' straight lines. As these jigsaws are of a better kind, also non-straight lines should be doable (such as the corners for a kitchen sinks with rounded corners), I hoped.
As it is not a problem for me to spend twice the time or even more on that on a certain cut, I thought this might be a decent approach, and I'll invest in a proper plunge saw or maybe even a circular saw later on.
Not completely convinced yet, looking into the different jigsaw mechanisms (e.g. the double roller on the GST 160 CE) and already thinking why they don't just make thicker or wider jigsaw blades for reducing the deflection, I ended up looking for comparisons and found your video, which was very useful.
I was wondering if you think this approach while investing in this Mafell P1CC makes any sense or am I too far off what is sensible (I'll skip the Makita, Bosch Professional, Festool, etc. like many others have seem to have gone through). To me, it looks like the Mafel P1CC can make very decent 90 degrees cuts that are will be hard to distinguish from proper circular saw cuts. And investing in this Mafel P1CC means investing for something for life, which is something I can appreciate. I'll have a saw that can do the corner cuts very well and the straight line cuts quite decently, just much slower and by spending more money on blades I guess. But I'll only be doing this work where 90 degrees cuts are a important less than 10 times per year, so that is fine. Does this make any sense, you think? :-). If I phrase this differently: what are the specific reasons for still not using this tool for work with rails? Is it mainly a time-is-money reason, are the blades to expensive for these large cuts, or is the result still less than desirable if you demand a professional finish? Or something else of course.
As for the Cunex W1 blades, which are the main star and differentiator of the machine as you seem to mention (and that makes a lot of sense to me), they seem relatively rough / have a relatively low tooth count. Do they provide a fine enough finish for something like this laminated wood?
Edit: I can also see the Mafel P1CC doing very well in cutting the bottom of baseboards that are to be placed on an uneven floor, something that can be done with a circular saw, jigsaw, planer or belt sander I understand.
For laminate kitchen worktops, or indeed melamine faced material such as that used for the cabinets,, your best tools for a clean finish (that doesn't chip the brittle laminate) are routers and plunge saws. Using a sink cut out as an example, you d route a shallow pass - 4-5mm - to deal with the laminate, following a template. You can then use a jigsaw to more quickly cut out the central waste part. Then switch back to the router to flush trim.
The same sort of cut out with a plunge saw is much quicker. Lay out your cut out with tape. Align a short guide rail and do a shallow pass for the laminate first, then full depth plunge cut. Where material is left at the corners due to the circular blade you just finish with a fine hand saw.
You can use jigsaws for scribing cabinets or worktops to walls but you must use a fine tooth blade to limit chip out. If you've not done it before, I'd highly recommend practicing on an offcut.
The Cunex blades are no good for such work. They're more of a first fix construction tool.
If the scribe at the back of a worktop is more or less a straight line, use a plunge saw and just refine with a block plane
The p1cc with standard jigsaw blades is no more reliably square cutting than any other good quality jigsaw.
For fairly solid advice and demonstration of kitchen fitting, including masons mitres, Skill Builders channel has a decent series from some time ago.
Hope this helps.👍
@@BischBaschBosch Thanks for the info, that does help. I should really look into a plunge saw instead I believe, for the P1CC money I could get a decent plunge saw instead, or still spend some extra and go for the Mafell MT 55, although at plunge saws, I think there is less to gain from a Mafell than with the jigsaw. And a router is also something I should consider. But I barely know those tools yet. From what I understand, I'd need a relatively big one that can do the 5 cm worktops.
What I don't fully understand is that you say that the Cunex jigsaw blades are a "first fix construction tool". I'm not a native English speaker and I don't understand what this means.
Moreover, I was wondering where you use the Mafell jigsaw and Cunex W1 blades for.
I do understand the part that they do not have a fine tooth blade, so this could lead to more chip out, although this is somewhat of a surprise to me after I've taken a look at various reviews and marketing materials from Mafell. Maybe they were not using the cunex W1 blades in those cases.
I've started to check out the Skill Builders kitchen series and also some kitchen worktop videos from LTW carpentry ruclips.net/video/cXOwH9pWIQI/видео.html.
Thanks again.
@@odi8359 "First fix" refers to initial framing. Second fix is fit and finish - in the U.K. anyway. I honestly think a good idea for you would be to buy used machines. Spend any saved money from your budget on decent blades and cutters. For example a decent "triple chip " blade for a plunge saw, specifically made for laminates. Best if luck.👍
Great video. Mafell should pay you. I'm a DIYer with an upcoming remodel job on a room in my house. I will buy this tool before I start!
Thanks Bob. Mafell pay me? Chance would be a fine thing!!😂 Great saw though. Especially with the cunex blade. 👍
Did you add the quick disconnect? Great video ! I just got the mafell t-55 track saw and track today . Still geeking out over how perfect it is ….this jigsaw is on my list after I get their dual doweler
Cheers!
Yeah, I put the connectors on. They're Neutrik Powercon True1 Top connectors. I have a video on them somewhere. Been a big fan of Mafell saws and routers for years. Very well built and specced. Not cheap but, worth the money if you're a serious user.👍
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Thanks BischBaschBosch, happy holidays - I checked out that video and will be popping those connectors on some other tools - especially ones that are long past voiding a warranty
I am still waiting on the P2 question. Will you review the P2 any time soon?
Not anytime soon mate. I'm much more likely to get the new Lo55 router first. I don't work on site anymore and am workshop based. Only use a jigsaw now and again so the old corded mafell will suffice.👍
Looks a great bit of kit and would be tempted to buy one. Do you know what the longest cunex blade is? Would work perfect on the track cutting insulation boards if these blades are available.
As jigsaws go, it's quite a machine. They are working on a cordless version apparently. Only 1 size of cunex blade unfortunately. 75mm. Good for about a 50mm cut. The teeth are quite aggressive too so not great for insulation. I have used a long bosch blade in it for insulation. Can't remember it's code but looks like a bread knife. Works well on 150mm celotex.
Tengo un problema con la sierra mafell. La hoja de sierra no queda perpendicular al plato cuando la introduzco.
I would say to check the most obvious first. Check the blade you're using is actually straight. Also check that your base connection is free of debris and seated properly. If it is under warranty, send it back to Mafell, describing the problem.
Thank you for the quick response! Is it possible to plunge cut from both sides?
No probs. Was answering comments when yours popped up.😁 . I'd say your best bet for decorative corbels is first make a ply temple of your pattern. Mark your piece and cut about 8-10mm into the waste with a jigsaw with a long blade. Then fix your template and use a router with a long flute and guide bearing top (shank end) to finish nicely. This should give you nice clean uniform results.
Great video as always, thank you. I'm considering getting one as I'm tiered of wandering blades. The thing I'm concerned about it is the price of the CUnex W1 blades. Do they last longer than a normal bosch blades. they are like 4 times the price, do they last 4 times longer as well ? I guess the fact that there is no blade guide, there would be less friction, therefore less heat which is the enemy of blades. I go through so many blades, I need to take that into consideration. What is your take on that ? Thank you for your advice and all your great videos.
Thanks alec. I find they last very well. Whether that's due to them keeping an edge I don't know. Might just be they're an aggressive tooth pattern and super stiff so cut well even if dull🤷♂️ I tend to use a ranch of bosch blades for general cuts and only whip out the Cunex where it's important to have that straight 90 cut. Very competent jigsaw though, even with other blades. I know mafell are working on a cordless version if that interests but seems slow in coming.
@@BischBaschBosch I did hear about that somewhere and I think they run on metabo battery line. Will have to see if it holds up that extra power as well as the corded one. It might weigh quite a bit though 😅 I ordered some bosch T144 DHM blades in the mean time to see if they really last 50x longer as they advertise. The precision ones are also thicker and wonder a bit less. Thanks for your input on the Cunex blades. Have a nice holiday and keep up the good work.
Did you do the quick connect on the power cable yourself?
Yes, they're Neutrik Powercon True1 TOP connectors. I show fitting them in the following vid with links in that videos description.👍ruclips.net/video/jnQPcGuLKzk/видео.html
I disagree with dust extraction with an extractor its almost perfect and without one the jigsaw uses its own motor to blow the dust thru the hole in the front and out the back i think its best in class. Another unique thing about the jigsaw is because it doesn't use a roller u can flip around the blade for cutting from below. Great review I enjoyed it where did u get the cord adapter for shorteni g the cord?
You know, I did mean to mention both of those things - the blower and ability to cut backwards. Some of these points get lost in the process sometimes. They do for me anyway. I find the blower one side, extraction the other works OK with a fine cut blade, pendulum backed off. But in my experience, as soon as you use a more coarse blade and pendulum setting, the blade action throws dust up, This doesn't give the extraction a chance to remove it. The blower and blade action mean chips/dust just get thrown up and rightwards. That's why I mention it'd benefit from a shroud. Don't know why Mafell don't make one having put so much thought into the blower/extraction. The cable connectors are Neutrik PowerCon True1. Obsolete now but their new version is the PowerCon True1 Top. They're compatible. The only real difference is the Top have silver/grey detail rather than yellow. Did a vid on them as it happens: ruclips.net/video/jnQPcGuLKzk/видео.html
I think Mafell will slowly expand their wireless range, being in the CAS (Cordless Alliance System), with Metabo providing the know-how. Their drill-drivers are Metabo based anyways.
True. It's only a matter of time. They are already developing a cordless P1CC according to some reps/dealers
Another great video, do you have any experience using the KSS saws from mafell ? I'm looking for a bit of a do it all circular saw and its between the kss and hkc55 at the moment. I'm a home gamer so its not for professional use but I hate cheap tools so price isn't really a concern.
Hi Tomo. I don't have a Kss but have used them. They are pretty much a do it all saw. Not only do they have/work with cross cut rails but also standard guide rails. While more akin to a standard circular saw, they do have the ability to plunge cut also. They don't have quite the finesse of a dedicated plunge saw but a good contender for "if you could only have 1 saw..."
@@BischBaschBosch Thanks for the reply bisch, is the cut quality approaching anything you'd get with an mt55 type saw ?
You can get a nice cut with a kss. Blade choice and condition is always key of course. But the MT55 has a much high rpm. This is beneficial for clean cuts, especially on laminates.
May I ask for some advice? I work almost entirely on cabinetry, so I'd basically only ever be using a jigsaw to scribe face frames etc. I love my Mafell Track saw and am trying to work out if this jigsaw is overkill for the sort of thing I'd be doing? For cordless stuff I'm on the dewalt battery system so the alternative would be the 18v dewalt barrel grip saw. Any thoughts on which way I should go? Thanks for a great channel
It's a good question. Personally, using the mafell with the cunex blade I find excellent for scribes. Not just because the blade has next to no wander like other jigsaw and blade combos but also, the cunex blade being so stiff, it's great for undercutting scribes. You can use it to carve away. Far more effective than standard blades. That said, it's quite an investment compared to others. Very hard for me to say whether it's worth it for you. I also have an 18v Bosch barrel grip. There's a lot to be said for the convenience of a cordless jigsaw. Especially onsite. Hope this helps in some way.
Great review, thanks! Can you provide advice on when to set the pendulum high vs low vs middle? Thanks!
Thanks Max. Generally, pendulum off is for a fine/clean cut, on is for a more aggressive cut. Pendulum is useful for cuts along the grain (rip) or thicker stock for example. It's also faster cutting. Medium will reasonably clean and quick. On plywood, I tend to have the pendulum off or on a low or medium so as not to splinter the edges too much. Have it off for metal cutting too. You can sort of match the setting by blade too. The finer tooth the blade, the less pendulum generally. Hope this helps.
Great review. Looks a very nice machine
Cheers Matt. It is a nice machine. Probably overkill for most but the things it does well, it does like no other jigsaw.
Great video mate, looking to get one myself soon, I want to put on the Festool converter on. I see you’ve changed your cord. Was it a simple process? Cheers
Cheers buddy. It's a decent jigsaw for sure. I use the Neutrik True 1 Top connectors. Piece of cake to fit. I did a video on them if you're interested here: ruclips.net/video/jnQPcGuLKzk/видео.html
I think if you wanted to fit a Festool Plug-it cable, they come with a short cord already attached to the connector so fitting it would be slightly different. You'd have to open the saw body where the power cord enters, unscrew the old cable and change for the Plug-it. Still, no more difficult than wiring a standard plug end of the day.👍
Where would you recommend getting your Chinese tools from? Ie the squares you were using??? Or other similar items.
Hi. A few Chinese outlets sell the same stuff - aliexpress, wish even ebay and amazon etc. I use banggood though as, to the UK at least, I've found they deliver the quickest. 8-10 working days most of the time. I've a host of Banggood tool review vids on my channel and a playlist of them all. They all have the Banggood links in the description too. I've also noticed that Rutlands has started selling a lot of these Chinese tool too, though anodised black and branded Rutlands. Hope this helps.
@@BischBaschBosch thanks mate. Quickest reply ever 👍
@@SparkWah 😂 You just happened to catch me doing the socials rounds.👍
Do you have any idea when the cordless version is coming to market? I have gotten spoiled with my FLEX jigsaw, no cord,, lots of light, it blows to clear the line of site with 24 volt stack lithium ion batteries.
No mate. Been hearing from retailers and importers that they've been "working on it" for about 5 years now. Still nothing. I'm surprised tbh. They've successfully produced cordless versions of their other smaller saws🤷♂️
@@BischBaschBoschit has been about a year since you answered this fellow, any word now on a cordless version or is Mafell attached to their cord?
@@NonaNona-zh4mt I think when it comes to Mafell and their cordless jigsaw, they suffer from nuclear fusion syndrome - it's always just around the corner, yet never seems to happen! Some reps at fairs last were saying they had actually started working on one and "might be next year" but who knows🤷♂️
@BischBaschBosch so I saw one guy in Germany post a short with a Mafell cordless jigsaw. Do you have any good news on this saw?
Love your channel! Thanks! If I owned this, wourld there be any need for a scroll saw?
Thanks Mark! I mean, possibly if mounted upside down. Although for detailed scroll type work you'd need a fine jigsaw blade in which case, there's no real benefit of the mafell over any other decent jigsaw. I think for delicate work I'd still choose a scroll saw. Capable as the mafell is, it's more of a construction and fabrication tool.
How did you get the p1cc base plate to engage when the blade was pushed to the front?
I can get it slid forward but can't get the base plate to tighten up
It should engage just fine bud. If yours isn't, remove the base plate and make sure the slot in the base for blade-front is dust free. You could also try backing off the allen a 1/4 turn or so for the little locking plate. I had to tweak the tightness of mine so it was just right in both positions.
@BischBaschBosch I've just had a good look at my base plate and I've just noticed that the groove edges have broken off, I'll order a replacement.
Thanks for getting back to me
Good review man. I’ve got one but don’t tend to use it. Cordless makita mostly. But if they released a cordless p1cc I’d be havin it.
Have you tried the Collins copeing foot on it?
Same, I have the DJV 181, I love it now that I managed to find out how to turn off softstart.
How is the Mafell stability/flexing compared to the Makita?
Cheers Rory. Do love the idea of the coping foot but the Mafell compatible one is about 80 quid I think. Not sure I'd use it enough to warrant it. I find the Mafell with a cunex blade ideal for most of my scribes. The blades so stiff I use it almost like a carving tool, the base riding on an edge if you catch my drift.
How do you turn off the soft start bud?
I’ve got the competing foot, if you want I can lend it to you to review?
@@rorylobban4789 ruclips.net/video/qRs0JI2on6c/видео.html it’s a button combo
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Great video and lots of good information. I’m in the market for a new jigsaw and looking at getting a collins coping foot - this video has helped a lot!
One question not covered: where can I find the really small systainer and what’s the name of it? I imagine it’s really good for storing jigsaw blades. I can find the Festool SYS3 XXS but can’t seem to find the Mafell equivelent one. I’d appreciate any help on this!
Cheers David. They are a great jigsaw. If it was cordless and had a light, it'd be the ultimate! The Cunex blades and it's power do set it apart from others though.
Not used the coping foot. Not really need for what I do now. I would imagine that the coping foot with a cunex blade would a perfect combo!
The little box is called a micro systainer. The mafell ones were a promotional item so hard to find. They do come up in eBay now and again.
Found a link to someone selling them in Europe - www.gereedschappro.nl/mafell-micro-systainer-t-loc-grijzig-met-rood-uniek-en-alleen-bij-ons-microsys
Thanks for getting back to me. I’m close to pulling the trigger on a P1 CC. I do a lot of renovation work and will look into getting the coping foot as well (don’t really need the rail and already kneedeep in Festool).
I managed to find the microsystainers from a company in Holland - just ordered four of them!
(these should be a regular as they are great for bits and bobs)
Best review! Thanks.
Thank you!👍
Nice video mate. Where did you get the red square from. It looks like a nice piece. I know how good the jigsaw is as I have one myself. 😉👍🏻
Cheers Jason. I get sent the squares and whatnot from Banggood to review. For the money they're spot on for the most part. They don't do that square any more unfortunately. Lots of stuff like it reviewed if you browse my channel mate.👍
Bisch Basch Bosch nice one. I’ll will have a look over the next few days. 😊 thank you.
Could I cut scroll work on a 4x4. I’m making an arbor and need a detail on the end tails?
Unfortunately, the cunex blades that allow for good square scroll cuts are only available in 75mm. You can buy longer standard bayonet blades of course but these would be as prone to wander as with any other premium jigsaw. Why Mafell haven't released a 125mm version of the cunex for 4" stock I don't know. As it stands, 2" is about the max for the cunex.
For home shop use I generally spare no expense, Lie-Nielsen, Festool, Veritas, Woodpecker, et al. When it comes to leaving tools overnight on a job site there's always the concern of having them stolen. Having a $540 jigsaw stolen would hurt a lot worse than a $200 saw. Still, I'd love to have that mafell.
Nice. I tend not to leave stuff overnight unless there's someone on site. For the most part, I use my 18v Bosch jigsaw on site. Depends on the nature of the work though. I'm careful with all my tools tbh. I'm insured too.😁👍
I see that buying Tanos cases and roughing them up, dressing them as old-ass broken cheap tool boxes and then transplanting your inserts from mafell/festool/trend boxes into them is a thing now 😁
Can anyone comment on the size of the handle? I have smaller hands and am wondering if there is a chance it will fit. Can't get my hands on one to try out.
That's a good question. This Mafell, like a lot of barrel/body grip jigsaws is quite chunky. About the size of a can of Coke in diameter. If this would make things difficult, you might be better off with a bow handle jigsaw. Unfortunately, Mafell don't make a jigsaw of this type.
What make are your power cable connectors and are they any good?
Yeah, they're Neutrick Powercon True 1Top connectors. Been using them a couple years now. No issues. I like em. Did a video on them with links in its description if interested.👍 ruclips.net/video/jnQPcGuLKzk/видео.html
where did you get the Mafell mini sys box please
It was just a random find on eBay. I think they were a promotional item originally.
After using the machine professionally for 5 years almost daylie and owning it since 3 years myself, i just found all the included addons in the systainer for dust extraction and splinter guard. Like wtf have I been doing with my life. Thanks for the vide mate!
😂😂 Better late than never bud!
Was ist das für ein Kabel Adapter?
The cable adapter plugs are Neutrik Powercon True One. I have a video on them (link below) 👍 ruclips.net/video/jnQPcGuLKzk/видео.html
Educational video, thank you kindly.
Nice one!!👍
Is the €486,- for the P1cc maxi max worth the price.Is there a better option in the market.
Is the price 578.- for the MT55CC worth the price. Is there a better option in the market.
I owned the festool tsc 55 cordless it was realy weak and shit to use.
Whether they're worth it or not, only you can make that call really mate. You know best the type of work you do and your needs. For me, that I can get an edge 90 degrees to a face with the P1CC and Cunex blade means doing decorative rafter and pergola tails or corbels isn't a problem. If you need a jigsaw capable of doing such irregular cuts able to keep a 90 degree edge, it's worth it. Same would go for if you work a lot with solid hardwoods where the extra power the saw has makes cutting even the hardest woods a breeze by comparison. If you don't do/need these things or you need a cordless saw, the Mafell is probably not for you. Same goes for the MT55. All the plunge saws offered by the big name brands are pretty close in terms of performance. They're all pretty good in my view. What I really like about the MT55 is it's power (the corded model), ease of blade change (as I swap blades a lot when working), it's superb dust collection, it's fine tune features and it's scoring cut (though this for many is a controversial feature). If you were to ever get the cordless MT55, it'd be worth ditching the supplied 5ah Mafell batteries supplied and getting the 8ah Metabo batteries for it. This vastly improves performance. Still probably not a match in terms of power for corded saws or even the models of saw that use 2 batteries for 36v like the Festool or Makita. The Makita also has the scoring function as it happens, and if not the Mafell or Festool, that'd probably be the saw most would recommend. It's a really good value saw.
The damn thing cuts like a band saw! Amazing. Never seen that from a jigsaw.
Yeah, pretty much. I'll stress again though, the results shown here are only when you combine the jigsaw with Mafells double thick Cunex blades 👍
Think there is a video of a guy cross-cutting a 15 cm beam with this saw, quite impressive
Yeah, it's a strong saw - both in build and power.👍
Wow, that 45 degree cut looked like it was glue ready! Pretty amazing from a jigsaw (even if it cost more than my first table saw). hahaha Cheers!
Cheers Brian. Yeah, it's capabilities are impressive (for a jigsaw) when paired with the cunex blade. Mafell are placed pretty much like Hilti in the tool market really. Meant for commercial, every day hard slogs. Most of their machines for specialist timber framers. And serious money to boot! Bits like this jigsaw, the plunge saw, the milling motor and the drill are their most "affordable" or accessible for the average Joe I suppose. Still not cheap of course!
Great review, looks very nice
Cheers Kieth. Beast!
Something else I need (want) to buy 😊👍😊
It is a great jigsaw. Very powerful, versatile and, with the cunex blade, the most accurate jigsaw.
Just ordered mine after waiting and hoping for past three years that the cordless version would be released. Sadly that doesn't look like it will happen.
On one hand that is disappointing, but on the other it is exactly the reason why i don't mind paying a very high price for Mafell tools. They don't do compromises and they don't release half-baked products. As long as they cannot make s cordless version that would match the impressive 900w and still have acceptable battery run time, they won't make it, even if it still probably would sell like crazy.
If this was festool, the poor machine would probably already have more letters at the back of the model name than latin alphabet can offer
It's a strange one isn't it? The reason the corded has 900w is due to the effort needed to push the cunex blade through stock at full depth. The cunex is near as damn it 3mm thick at the cutting edge! It's like a table saw cut! Like you say, it could well be they've not had good results with that blade in cordless tests - made more difficult by a jigsaws compact body? Either way, it's s hell of a jigsaw. Sure you'll love it.👍
@@BischBaschBosch i bet i will! So far never had a disappointment from that company, and i have a fair few from them by now. I held off on buying it for so long as I only did work on site, but now that i finally have my own workshop, cable machines make more sense again. That said, as soon as they release the cordless i will be snatching it up immediately
Nice review 👍🏼
Thanks! 👍
I use the 144d and the cut is still perfect...
I really rate most Bosch jigsaw blades. Use them all the time. But no. They still deflect. Yet to see anyone claim it and show perfect 90 and 45 degree cuts through thick stock like i did in this vid. Only the Cunex can do this every time in my experience. Not trying to be an asshole, just my experience.
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it looks very nice, but I just don't see the need for this type of tool.....
Fair enough bud. If you can't see the need, you probably don't need it. I do a lot of curvy work so for me it's proved invaluable.
@@BischBaschBosch thanks for your reviews....and the tool you invented for the track saw is excellent
@@bricemadden5717 that's very kind. Thank you Brice.
Thourough presentation
Cheers.👍
It’s mad how the most expensive jigsaw on the market doesn’t have a light.
Currently, i think it's actually the second m8st expensive as mafell are promoting the release of their cordless version - with a light! The main reason the P1CC didn't include a light was these barrel grip jigsaws a most often used upside down - especially by European users. A light shining in your face is a bit pointless used this way. My 18v Bosch barrel grip has this fantastic innovation they call an "on/off" button, or something weird like that. Maybe it'll catch on😉👍
@@BischBaschBosch Yeah, I’ve seen the new cordless one at almost £800 🤯 I can’t imagine they’ll sell many at that price. It still doesn’t make sense as like you say the light can be turned off. You can do this with the festool one.
@@HarveyJohnWillmott 😂 Yeah, with the batteries and charger it's eye watering ££ for a jigsaw!:In fairness though, typically for Mafell, it does look a super sturdy, well made machine.
Still waiting on the cordless to drop. Be retired by the time it does
😂 Yeah, I've a feeling they've dropped the idea for whatever reason🤷♂️
Further to previous comment i just thought of another power tool that i still have that i would rate more than the Mafell! I still have my ELU TGS 173 its perfect and still cuts true! Im guessing a lot out there wont know ELU Tools or the TGS: Dewalt purchased elu so they could manufacture the saw have a look after they cheapened it: ruclips.net/video/OOYtY2P-b1Y/видео.html
Elu did some great gear. Not only well made but quite often really innovative. Their 173 flipover saw is a classic. I've been keeping my eye out for one of their ETS 3001 push/pull table saws for some time. Pretty rare though.
I said I would never buy a jigsaw that cost that much. Then you mention a future cordless. I already have to batteries. Oh dear. Here we go again.
Ha! Well, going by how long Mafell are taking to develop and release a cordless version, I'd say your money is safe for a little while yet. Hell of a jigsaw but a hell of a lot of money for one also!
@@BischBaschBosch I have seen them reviewed a few years ago and then had a go with one at a trade show. I have a lovely Metabo that does me fine but if that did need replacing I would probable treat myself to the Mafell. The design is just so good it doesn't have any competitors.
It's funny, the jigsaw costs $900, but you can't see the cutting line. A great solution)))
It's a barrel grip jigsaw so most of the time, it's used upside down. It would be nice to have a light though - for those occasions working from above.
@@BischBaschBosch Upside down, this will be one of the serving options. But the main thing is normal downward work. And using this jigsaw, you won't be able to see! To watch! cutting line, not to mention backlighting. It's a terrible failure, and it's very strange why no one talks about it.
@@tripleup2012 I don't know where you are but here in the UK and EU, this type of barrel grip jigsaw is mostly used upside down to cut scribes and cut aways. It's literally what they designed for! I'm saying this as someone with over 20years in the professional trade, not some youtuber learning as they go. I've had this jigsaw for about 8 years now. I can't think of a single occasion where sighting a line was a problem. If it's not for you, that's fine.
@@BischBaschBosch I am in Russia. Basically, we have marketers and people who have been paid for advertising telling the same tales. But still, no one buys this. If you've been "practicing" for 20 years, why are you sawing an arbitrary twisted line the same way you do in the demonstrations? In real work, this never happens. I have a GST 140CE jigsaw and for some reason it provides a great overview of the workspace, which is of course strange, but it is also designed to work with both trimmings and large slabs.
@@tripleup2012 Don't take the piss mate. I'm no salesman or marketer. I bought the tool with my own money. If you can't comprehend what's being demonstrated, just move on. Don't bang on about me telling "tales" or I'll just delete you fucking comments.
Amazon reviewers in Germany report issues with the electronics followed shitty customer service by the manufacturer and costly repairs. Not exactly what you expect from a premium priced tool maker.
Never had any electronics faults on any of my Mafell kit and so never needed any service. I have needed accessories from time to time though and my local dealer put me straight on to NMA Tools, the UK's Mafell importer, and they were extremely helpful. Lesson there is buy from a reputable dealer, not Amazon. Also worth noting that the minority who've had a negative experience are far more likely to leave reviews. I take em with a pinch of salt.
I haven’t had any electronics problems either in one year of use