Raid Leading: Leading Your Team Effectively
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- So the transition from heroic to Mythic can be painful but that pain is dependant on the person in charge.
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More of this type of content Preach! I want to continue to improve as a player and I believe this has always been your best type of content.
I had a raid leader from the start of BC who yelled, shamed, tricked people into harder raids, wanted the prestige of being one of the top server guilds, hated farming gear etc. As a result the majority of the raid was very undergeared. We held our own because of having good players and we eventually finished BC.
He started punishing people in wrath when we had more people than raid slots. Your screen shot reminded me of it. It eventually got to the point where he made two raid groups, A-team and B-team. A-team was his friends and players who didn't argue with him. B-team was everyone else. Its not hard to guess what happened. B-team did better than A-team, so much so that they grabbed 3 server first kills in Ulduar in the first night of their existence. I left the A-team as I reached my breaking point with the RL. We were third to kill Yogg on our server. RL had a spit and kicked everyone out of the guild that night. It was hilarious.
Him and his friends then spent the rest of the xpac trying to get down Yogg. They eventually did it near the end of the xpac (way overgeared) but had to transfer off the server because they had become a joke.
B-team succeeded because the RL was a no nonsense guy who listened to his raid, kept an eye on everyone's gear, helped people who were unsure of something, and wasn't afraid to say he was wrong.
this sounds like a perfect drama time story
I recently went through a similar conversation with my son (16), who is now playing WoW on his own account after watching me play it since he was a young child. I explained it to him like this:
There are many types of raid groups... loot collectors, progression killers, social time, parsers, speed clearers, and the list goes on. You need to determine what type of player you are first. You then need to determine which days and times are good for you and your other hobbies and obligations. This creates your raid schedule and determines what type of guild you are looking for.
Once you do that, you need to search around for a guild to find a like minded group that raids on your schedule. That group may be on your server... it could be on a different server... it could be on a different faction... it could be in a different region.
If the guild's raid schedule isn't quite right you, it will eventually cause a problem. If the guild's prevailing raiding goal does not match your own, it will eventually cause a problem. There is a reasonable chance you were not honest with yourself during your assessment. There is a reasonable chance the guild misrepresented itself. People are easily confused between what they think they want and what they actually want.
At this time, he is still trying to figure out exactly what he wants to do. He will most likely end up with a guild that comfortably clears most of heroic and a few bosses on mythic since that is more in line with what he really enjoys, which happens to be parsing.
As player who goes through phases, including parsing phases, I would say that going for parses is all well and good, but gets very frustrating very quickly if your fellow raiders are just after the kill, no matter how messy the kill is. When it comes to the patchwerk fight of the raid (I guess Champions or Grong), the guild will reliably 1-shot them but a messy kill robs you of the chance to parse well for an entire reset, which is the most angering aspect of raiding for me when working on my parses.
What’s parsing?
Just wanted to chime in and say when I used to play WoW I was one of those Heroic only raiders. I'd fill in for a spot sometimes during Mythic fights until the core members could show up, and I'm more than capable of performing at that level, I just can't be bothered to do the 300% more work to get there. Farming mats for pots/flasks/enchants/gear, as well as AP and the hours upon hours of wiping just isn't my idea of a fun time. I totally understand the mindset for it, and I know how exhilarating it can be to finally down that boss, the commitment is just too much for me. Heroic is only marginally more challenging than Normal, so I'm not falling asleep at the keyboard, but it's not soul-crushing like Mythic. I can do the difficulty. I can't do the tax. So thank you for shedding some light on those players like us who are happy settling for 2nd best. :)
The Heart of Azeroth level issue is one of finding a raid team with similar time investment and mindset. I've been in guilds where the norm was for raiders to spend no more then 5 hours online in a week (Mostly older players with more real world taxes on their time), for that group farming neck levels would require almost all their non-raiding time and would be a non-starter.
The important thing (IMO) is to find a guild where the other raiders are willing to put in a similar amount of time and effort, or where you don't mind putting in a little more then others.
This needa to get Highlighted Preach because this is literally spot on.....so many times I've joined a guild where ppl dont even do keys they literally just log on for raid night...super casual...and tbh it burnt me out of raiding because its not fun carrying ppl that arent willing to get better skill wise or even gear wise outside raid...it became unfair to me and felt like a waste of time or a job....finding a likeminded guild with ppl that have simliar schedules is key...it may even req a server transfer unfort. the game is way more enjoyable tho with a decent grp of ppl u can become friends with and grow together....in every area of the game not just raid.
I find myself, unsubbed for the game for 6 months+, not subbed to any wow guys on youtube, not following them on twich... Yet I've watched every single Preach video and enjoyed it. Keep it up Mike!
I'm kinda the same. Don't watch the TDPs, but I find this analytical-style content interesting despite falling off from WoW altogether.
Same except i watch most of the WoW RUclips community channels
Prydaz for myth would be a good example of the strength of defense
My guild used Prydaz for atleast 75% of all our mythic progress kills in Legion. So good.
Kenny Larsen was the last leggo I got on my main warrior, feelsbadman
@@eliasrispling2945 It was the first lego I got, was about to cry. Then they buffed it and we remained together for so many months.
Not really. It became a requirement to push higher end keys because the dungeons were designed in such a way that it is impossible to avoid damage in the first place.
@@codypettigrew9972 I'll never forget living with like 5% hp on tyrannical EoA
I left my raid team two weeks ago over frustrations that were SO SIMILAR to the person who tweeted you that I honestly went back to see if they were in my guild. (I knew they weren't when they said they'd joined two weeks ago, since that's impossible. My guild doesn't recruit.) I think your communication point it spot on, it's not the lack of progression that caused me to leave but the frustration build-up over weeks of not knowing WTF we were actually doing. That said, my guild flat out doesn't recruit (entirely separate cause of frustration, that is) and I think the reason we do dumb shit like save Mythic kills for the last raid of the week is because the raid leader knows people don't show up on Sundays, so he tries to keep the Mythic loot as incentive to actually show the hell up. Which sucks ass because previous content takes longer AND if people don't show on Sunday still (let's be honest, the people not showing on Sunday don't care that much about loot since they clearly don't care that much about raiding in general) we have to suffer through 18 manning Champion of the Light.
Preach the issue you described about people not showing up for BWL but having like 60 people online for MC. Oh my god. It's 2019 and this still happens. Be ready for classic mates. Be ready.
Well classic you only needed 15 consitant and good players. The rest just have to be the bare minimum of not dying or killing someone else.
KDTV lol loser it’s 25 the 15 are the extra weigh
+Volkain10 dude that’s not the point noob if people rather farm then it’s either move on or get with the program
@@RazorClaw999 Using insults like 'noob' and 'loser' in 2019. Either you're a failing 40+ year old desperately holding onto the memory of a foregone era, or a really pathetic teen trying to be edgy online. And I don't know which is sadder.
@@RazorClaw999 Riplee is right bruh. Just looking out but even if you disagree try to be somewhat courteous or at the VERY LEAST not entirely douchey... Maybe you will get your point across better
The problem finding technique that is an industry standard is the 5 Whys. If you can ask 5 whys deep into a problem you are likely getting to the root of the cause. Why tank die -> used a CD early, why did use cd early -> healers couldn't heal tank fast enough, why healer couldn't heal tank -> dps was standing in something they shouldnt . . . etc.
Recently been asked if I wanted to raid lead our mythic team on Queens Court progressions and going forward.
Not too sure how I even came up as a possible RL, thisnis my first time raiding mythic but I do have a good feel for each class, have played every class at 120 to a reasonable level.
Still this video is helpful, would love to see more along this series.
So how did it go? :)
@@SttravagaNZza we got queens court and even went onto C.E in Nyalotha 😁
Missing your streams preach! Hope you're feeling better
damn Preach....I wish hotties were missing me! haha
Im horny and sad reading this...
When a game that is suppose to fun becomes a never-ending frustration, it is time to change what you are doing.
i'm not even a raid leader...
i haven't even played WoW in years...
But now i'm a better raid leader. Thanks Preach!.
The gear and comp vs player error realisation is something I got a feel for about 3 years into raid leading, somewhere at the end of TBC/early wrath. 10 years later and It was still almost impossible to tell anyone outside of my core raid group that was the case, tbh the core group didn't get it either, but they trusted me at that point.
Communication in a team is absolutely crucial to it's success in any environment, particularly from the leader(s). If the group members don't know what the leader wants, the group will never function properly. That's just flat fact. You can't meet expectations or hit goals if they aren't clearly defined unless it's sheer accident. Sure, your group may down Mythic Grong because the Raid Leader pointed you at it and said "Kill." but if you don't know why it'll take you 10x longer than a guild that's motivated and happy to do it (with equivalent skill and gear, of course). Absolutely solid video Preach, would love a series in the future about maybe starting/running a guild if you've got any insight on that? I'd love to start a raiding Heroic/Mythic guild but I feel like I'll be absolutely swamped with trying to get things done AND handle real life, as well as trying to recruit and all that.
I would love it if this turned into a series on organizing a raiding guild, I had stepped up to RL as a replacement for our old one since he caused half our core team to gquit two weeks into H uldir progression. recruiting is hard because we don't have much progression from our missed tier
@4:30 yes, it was very familiar to me.
one example was me and my guild were on Heroic Avatar in Tomb of Sargeras, and we were constantly running out of the platforms in the lower room with the boss being at 3% - 4% HP remaining. I made a suggesstion about using the vantus runes I stockpiled earlier that day, and the RL said "No, we don't need them." We would continue to wipe on Avatar until the final pull where I took it upon myself to give everyone a vantus rune. We all used them, and on THAT pull, we downed the boss with half the platform in the lower room remaining. I was properly benched for three weeks for my insubordination, but I still stand by my decision to give my raid team those vantus runes this day.
Hope you didnt stay after that
i couldn't leave them then, and i won't leave them now. they're the closest thing i have to friends and are more family than my own
@@davidmcfall9169 thats a real scummy thing for them to do though
i made my opinion, RL said no, I decided to step out of line, and I paid the price.
Minor domo I understand where your coming from but fuck RL like that man, i felt the same way about a certain guild, i was always the enthusiastic one giving out ideas and stuff until one day i was kicked like it was nothing because i was sick of failing at a certain boss over and over again. No contact ever since
It feels like everything is about communication. What does the raiders want, what does the raid leader want, what does the GM want?
If the GM and RL(they don't need to be same person) wants to be a mythic guild and the raiders doesn't want to be mythic maybe it's time for a new home.
Regarding that the first 3 bosses are easier.
My guild ended on 4/8 M uldir, imo because roster problems(in the last 2 months we had 3 raids because otherwise we where around 15 online). We killed Zekvoz after 151 wipes, waiting for some people understand how to survive overlapping mechanics. If you are new to the guild, no issues that you die. If you die and have 150 pulls before, why don't you learn?
We took down Grong in maybe 20-30 pulls. The first 3 bosses on mythic are very easy.
Just a quick point. RL and GM shouldn't be the same person... Separation of power is a good thing.
@@mandabob3001 Agree!
WTB old Surv Hunter back plz, watching the surv hunter pov at the start of the video made me miss it again :(
I've steered away from hardcore raiding more recently, for the most part. Before a change in raid leads, we had one that would not take advice from ANYONE. It was his way and his way only. Needless to say, this is the same guy that comes to raid unprepared (no flask/food/pots). Our new raid lead has more of an open ear to strategy shifts if one isn't working the way it should, but we still have those people that just don't seem to want to be there and just zone. Gets a bit annoying after awhile.
I've considered setting up my own guild but it seems quite daunting. Any chance on a future video for starting up a new guild Preach?
Thank you Ma Lin. That would be good. I'm not in a position to set up a guild just yet but do intend to in the near future.
I mean it is a bit different going from Heroic to Mythic than going from MC to BWL. I would argue MC to BWL is a linear progression path from one piece of tier content to another and the other is the same content, but harder for better gear. A better comparison would be like saying you've completed BoD and then 15 people in the guild saying they don't wanna do Crucible of Storms.
Can Preach make a raid tier/difficulty overlap chart? At what point in Normal does the difficulty equal the first boss of heroic? Same tier at what point does the last few bosses of heroic equal the difficulty of the first boss of Mythic? So on and so forth.
it's almost always last 3 = first 3. *almost. last 3 bosses on previous difficulty usually equal first 3 bosses on next difficulty. there are some exceptions, but that's generally pretty reliable. : )
We have the same issue in my guild. Absences during progress (it's amazing how many irl issues ppl have) and suddenly 26 ppl appear when we have cleared it. Annoying af. Have no desire to carry those who couldn't be arsed to pitch when it was difficult. Same thing with mythic, suddenly everyone disappears again.
I am in a 8/9 HC and 3/9 M guild now with very unstable roster - the raid leader is semi decent but always shouts at people - because these guys don't know how to do mechanics after many wipes. They say I must stay because they are reforming the raid team but they cant even kill Jaina HC. Very worried about things and not sure if Im going to be staying much longer if things don't get sorted out. Blizzard needs to deal with the dwindling raiding numbers because 20 people seems a bit stiff for most guilds.
Bad guild if yall are 3/9m and havnt killed jaina heroic yet lmao. My guild killed heroic jaina in 5 pulls 2nd day the raid was out. Theirs much better guilds out there and if yall cant kill heroic jaina, you wont get passed opulence mythic
@@BruceWillis57 its what I was worried about, maybe its time to move but everywhere else wants god like logs or 4/9M
@@BruceWillis57 maybe. but is'nt it a bit ridiculous how you ploster yourself here ^^ Jeah but I admit, killing opulence(m) before Jaina(h) is very unlikely
@@bracksza If you're in that spot. Maybe you should look for a just slightly better guild. Playing on a higher standard is just training. So If you think
you're good and you want to get the same result in less training, you'll have to deal with recruitment that is highly aware of how the entry in
the mythic scene works. Mythic Raids are a teambased mode. You'll need to learn how to improve yourself and twist your mindset. You'll need to learn
your own thing. You'll play tactics and look for logs, but often it just does not reflect the reality of your environment. Learn the objectives as a team,
stop tunneling and do your job. If you're honest, you will see how often you fck up and start being more patient with others.
#1 thing I recommend is improving yourself first and foremost, if you can get to a point where you understand everything that is happening in a fight, and if you personally aren't screwing up, you can't necessarily carry a team to victory, but you can certainly find out where your guild's weaknesses are and how to not make those mistakes in choosing your next guild
Good video boss! What guild are you in also out of curiosity?
I am having very similar problems raid leading a guild at the moment and had to do something similar to the story at the start recently. I had to prioritise the guilds kill profile over the desires of the raiders because we are constantly short of people and there just isn't enough raiders to go around right now so I extended the lockout to get Jaina HC killed. I try my best to communicate this stuff with the guild through discord pins and by talking to them during trash but I still find that no matter how hard I try many of them just don't understand why a guilds kill history is more important right now to get people to pick us than a couple bits of maybe loot from spending all night on Grong with 17 people. 3 times in as many months we have had small groups of players talk on /g about how much the officers are crap and aren't even trying and then just leave to go and start their own mythic guild together, and all 3 of those new guilds are now dead and I am being pressured to start accepting these people back to make up the numbers. I really don't want to take them back even if it means not progressing yet, am I being too stubborn or is keeping known dead weight out of the group better as I think it is? I'm pretty new to raid leading and I am really having a hard time understanding how to build this team into something worthwhile when I can barely get 20 average people into the group week after week let alone develop a strong core of decent raiders. I know people are getting unhappy and I try hard to enforce a set of rules that are conducive to a successful raid environment but it really is so hard when I face the fact that I can tell people they must sign up or they aren't invited for example, so we can plan the raids ahead of time but the reality is even if I back down and take the people who refused to sign up we still only manage 18 people with 2 crap people quitting the guild and 2 crap people being recruited in the same space of time. I don't want to quit but I'm banging my head against what feels like an impossible task with not enough progress to get the decent people to join and not enough decent people joining to get the progress. Ok rant over.
listen this is gonna be a shitty time no matter what. swallow your pride, and even your standards, to get bodies in. This is the growing pain that every single guild ever must struggle with. That weird half-way point where you finally have about 10 truly decent players and that's it. the rest are unreliable, or not good, or whatever. you need progress in order to recruit and you need bodies in order to progress.
Take back the shit heads. Take any other crappers you can fish up, anyone that shows even a remote interest in raiding. take them all. keep your attitude neutral and your standards low. for now. get some small amount of progress. whatever you can squeeze out of the turds you had to take. once you have just enough progress to start getting decent players in, throw those recruitment posts up. Trial anyone and everyone. This will be a long, slow, arduous process. But, if you can be patient, and keep sight of the end goal, you will eventually wind up with 20 reliable, decent players, plus a few more hopefuls on the bench. trust me, this will eventually happen.
However, like I said, you will most definitely have to go through the phase where you're literally scraping the bottom of the barrel.
It's either that, or ditch the guild and find a new guild that's got better progress. Start at the bottom of said new guild and work your way up.
Those are the options my friend.
I am neck level 44, and I only did bod normal/heroic+champions mythic, 3 islands, emmisaries and weekly 10. So no excesive farming at all apart of weekly stuff, and I stopped clearing heroic/normal a week ago too.
So story of him being lvl 45 now without farming too is possible. You had to farm for it, because you did it before new artifact knowledge.
I think you'll find that to a LOT of people raiding simply doing the emissaries and 3 islands every week IS farming. After all, that's exactly what farming is - repeatedly doing trivial content for arbitrary gains. Myself, I stopped doing islands every week months ago, and only ever do emissaries if I'm running low on resources. My neck level has *just* hit 38 this week (would probably be at ~40 if I hadn't switched mains, which is a whole other thing to consider with neck levels).
@@asphtherogue True, but farming he is talking about mythic raiders did, was before new knowledge and included doing insane number of islands to reach that level.
Also, this is content I would be doing anyway, I am not doing this to farm ap, I really dont care about my neck level at all. I do emmisaries for paragon rewards and 3 islands for a chance at pets/mounts+some residuum.
Guild message of the day is there for a reason: "Good job on blah blah, guys! Gonna extend lockout next week and work on first boss Mythic!" That was literally our GMOD last week. I guess it could be tricky if raid lead and GM aren't the same person and don't like each other somehow. I prefer when RL and GM are different people. The GM can focus on social issues and structure, the RL can focus on strategy and group comp.
GMOD is a great way to communicate, unfortunately some people ignore the guild message of the day completely. Don't ask me why or how, it just seems that in my old guild we would put up the GMOD on Mondays (we were a weekend raiding guild) and come the following raid days people would have not prepared or have no idea what was going on. Like WTF!?!!? Also it seems (in my experience this expansion) people don't check the calendar.
what i learned over the years is that in "weaker" guilds farm nights and morale boost they give is crucial and extremly important . i agree with all of your points but i still would value killing first boss on mythic more and only then moving to Jaina because of how big morale boost people get from nice shiny gear. because on this level of raiding gear >>>> anything.
But once those people have the new shiny gear from first easy mythic bosses, they wont want to do jaina heroic cause now theres "no reason to"
I love all the mage gameplay in the background, my favorite class all the way from vanilla
I think whoever asked a bout this obviously needs to have a chat with his raid leader. In my guild for example we sometimes do other content than progression because people kinda get burned out when trying to progress (and wipe) for a entire evening so we fit in some easier(farm) content so we can have a less stressful/ chat-raid.
But then again that depends on what the goals are for the guild.
That's why you need to talk to your raid leader... do the goals of the guild line up with my personal goals for the game(do it outside of raid tho, no reason to annoy 18 other ppl during raids)
Really excited to watch this vid!!
Feel better bro!
I had a raid leader in WoD who probably shouldn't have raid leaded, but he was doing all the wrong decisions. we were on highmaul cleared all the bosses except the last one, but he wanted to go on heroic. I told him "no man we are only two people who can pull their weight in the raid you( unholy DK) and me (surv hunter at that time). he was no no we are ready oh we killed Kargath which was easy but after that wipefest wipefest. I asked him hey are we going to go on normal just to gear people up. He said people are well geared. I'm like "guy look at the dps meter, all other dps are WAY below what they are suppose to be doing. I'm all up for sticking with your guild, but heroic is not something you shoul look into just yet." He didn't listen so I quit and faction change to an horde guild and cleared heroic with a group that was ready. A good raid leader knows what his group can or can't do.
11:15 preach that’s a real scumbag thing to do... but people who leave after 1 wipe deserve to be kicked cause they have no time for anyone “one wipe and I’m out guy”
He knows that, which is why he keeps the screenshot he took to remind himself of the mistake he made. In the story it was something he did in classic, so about 15 years ago when he was likely just like most of our younger selves "arrogant assholes." Which requires maturing to get out of.
Kronosxviii1 yeah I know I watched the video... but your right on that takes some time to mature
@PreachGaming i made a new toon to lvl 120 2 weeks ago and i played it very casually with maybe 30 random wq done(mostly for resources or items), no island expeditions, rare mob hunting or dungeons . I played it just for the story. My warcampaign isnt yet complete and i have ilvl 360 blue items in all slots apart from an offhand and my neck level is 36.
Catchup system gone wild!
If you want more details id be happy to share but if you made a newbie project you would be surprised of the huge catchup mechanics and how quick you can get 370ish ilvl and start raiding nm bda
I hit level 38 with only 18 hrs played at level just clearing all the WQ's, 5 warfront runs and one LFR run and 373 ilvl. With 340 crafted boe's, warfronts and assaults gearing is easy mode now.
Well if someone has an advice for me, I'll take it:
I play in a casual guild, we cleared BOD in normal and are working our way through Heroic.
I enjoy raiding because it's just a fun time for me, I wouldn't mind more difficulty or ambition but I don't think I have the time to commit to it.
Aside from raiding, I do m+ a lot, in a casual way (like, I'm not trying to push +20's but we're working our way slowly to +15).
The "team" I do m+ with are "leftovers". Basically, there was only one m+ team in the guild (the two GM's, the RL, a guy and me) but I got suddenly ignored when a more geared healer and someone who was in the guild for a longer time than me, came back to play.
I was a little annoyed but I was honest with my own skills -> It was my first time playing as a healer, which is now my main, and I was still learning.
I played mostly with pick ups and managed to push higher keys than they ever did.
Season 2 rolls around and by way of fate, I got grouped with 3 other guys from the guild to do m+. We get along really well, like real friends well. So we played a lot together and started pushing higher keys than the GM's and RL group. It wasn't really an ambition at the time, it just worked out that way.
One of the GM went batshit crazy on us on discord for "not playing with other people" (there only 4 of us so we always do a rotation with a dps from the guild if one is available and geared. Also, I have more time to play than others so I did a lot of carries to help other level up their gear or their rerolls), that we are "not sharing with the guild" (as far as I have missed Uldir one night and same for BOD, we do carries, I always do potions and feasts for the raids, and I give anything for free if I'm asked. I also always give away the gear I don't need if I loot), that we "pick our team" (which they do as well, clearly but also everyone knows you're not going to push keys if you take with you people with really bad dps, and also, I go and help there people push their keys!!).
The other GM (they are a couple) would just post passive-aggressive message in the guild chat the whole time.
I was baffled by the whole thing and honestly put it down to the fact that they were jealous and wanted to access the same key level but instead of just asking us if we could either do their keys with them or that one of them would join us so they could have a chance at a better key the next week, he just yelled at us.
Said we were "putting competition in the guild" and "shunning people out", which we weren't, we were just playing and taking with us guildies which had the dps to come.
I realized afterwards that they were annoyed because they like to "compose" their m+ team and as we were playing together, we were not "available" whenever they wanted.
That THEY don't like to playing with people who don't have yet the gear or dps, so they would rather that we deal with them.
It lasted a week and a half, I was walking on eggs and dreading every time I came online that I would get another earful.
I was really close to quitting the guild but stayed because of my friends and because... the guild just doesn't have enough people for a good raid roster.
We started BOD with a dps switching to healer every raid night because I was the only person playing healer.
So they managed to find two new healers :
- A friend of a member who had just quit her guild and was used to play at a higher level
- A guy who used to be in a mythic progression guild until now
(we are a really casual guild so don't ask me why he wanted to join, I have no clue).
Anyway, both have a lot of experience raiding and I told them I didn't. Also, during Uldir (we had two permanent healer then, one who left the guild and the other one who switched to dps), we never coordinated healing so I said that I would be happy to take in any advice and/or coordination we could create.
The friend would always criticize my choice of healer (I main a MW) with the RL for weeks, which was irritating me but I honestly do not want to fight on it. I like my MW and we're a casual guild so I don't think I need to switch. Plus, they never asked me or suggested that I do so.
She also said that she doesn't get along with other women (which I am) and decided to become the boss of healers in raid.
I don't really care who is the boss, but instead of having a plan and explaining it while talking strategy before the boss, she doesn't say anything and then yells at me or makes snide remarks after a wipe about my healing. (By the way, I consistently hit around 30k hps, and she's around 15k. I look at my logs and they are pretty all right for our level so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong).
I don't mind constructive criticism, but I can't read minds. If I'm not aware of the plan beforehand, I can't stick to it.
The other progression guy come to every raid night and basically contradicts and speak over our raid leader and his plans (to the point that the RL almost quit as he knew the guy from before and didn't want him to join the guild in the first place).
So now, I go to raid with a heavy heart because I'm getting yelled at by one person, the RL and the guy have fights, the planning is so confusing with three people basically trying to be the RL, and because there's all this tension because of the m+ situation.
I try to be cool about it, but it stills makes it less fun when you feel like a bunch of people in the guild are criticizing you behind your back and hating on you just for playing a game FOR FUN.
I just don't find it enjoyable as much to play with the guild (aside from m+ and I show up for raids) and decided to spend more of my time on my rerolls (which are not in the guild because the goal is to have some "chill time" not to be bothered every hour to go help someone push a +5).
However, that feeling is lasting.
Last night, I was online to go push some keys and one of the GM had a nervous poop in the chat because she demanded one of our dps switches to their group to help push a key. Rendering it impossible for us to play (as we don't play with pick ups at higher keys) so I just switched to my reroll.
I don't think I have a clear question but I wonder if I should just quit the guild or if I should stay and "let it go" (if I can)?
I can't really stay in that middle ground "I play with them the bare minimum" because this is not what my idea of wow or being in a guild is like.
Thoughts?
For information, there's only about 9-10 players who are geared for higher keys, the rest of the raid team isn't (5 people) and the rest of the guild does neither raid or m+.
It's a tiny guild, and the "level" difference was blamed on "my" team...
Just leave and find a better guild. It is your hobby, why would you go into raid nights with a heavy heart?
If some of these people are your friends quitting the guild doesn't mean you have to stop playing with them. Do they have the same frustrations as you? If some of the people in your guild are toxic you shouldn't stay just keep in touch. Make a discord/chat channel if you want to keep in touch. Maybe make it a personal M+ channel up to you
@@Eisenk They have the same frustration. I didn't even get the brunt of the GM going crazy, one of my friends did. (But the GM gquitted but was still coming to raid then now he's fully back but on another toon... the behavior is so confusing. He would come an apologize the next day after all the yelling and I told him to stop talking to me about this).
The RL doesn't play with the GM'S anymore cause he defended us saying that we should just do whatever we want, so he considered quitting as well.
This whole this is just a mess tbh.
Oh and they are all adults, it's not like they are teenagers or something. They are all 30+ yo 😒
I'm in my 20's and one of the youngest.
I just wonder if it will calm down after a while or if it's a lost cause I think 😂
@@FreshSalad645 thats a huge lost cause, my first real guild is where I had to carry some old people who expected me to carry them, or else I was being elitist or that I was rude. I was 100% willing to carry useful alts for the guild but no way was I going to sit and help people get this gear that they werent able to effectively use. I would leave and find a much better guild, since you said that youre doing 15+s youre doing what the average midtier raider is doing, I would say to join a guild from 3-6/9 mythic. This tier is super inflated in progress, so an aotc guild during antorus with the same players might be say 5/9 this tier
If an update matters to anyone, here it is :
The GM went craycray again and decided to kick the Raid Leader as he took our defense. Bear in mind, the RL has been playing for 10 years in the guild and is IRL friends with them. Not anymore, I guess.
I was waiting to see if I'd get kicked too. I just wanted to see who they would kick basically and how.
They waited until no one from the guild was online to kick my friends and I. Another one quit because he was so done with this BS. So now, there's 6 of us out of this guild.
They also sent each of us the same message about "I have nothing against you but we needed to clear this situation and the best way was to get rid of everyone at once".
You shot yourself in the foot man.
The 6 of us were deciding wether to split up or try to join a guild together (but which guild is going to take in half a raid roster...) when we saw someone from our (now previous) guild in Boralus. He /s to us that his dream was to make his own guild so we decided that we'd join as long as we get to do our m+ and eventually raid.
It's now done. We all joined a new guild.
As the evening went on, more of our (previous) guildies logged on and saw that the usual players doing m+ on Sunday nights were not online, so one of them /w me asking what was up, why we left the guild.
I tried to say what happened, but they already knew as the GM was just spewing hatred on us behind our backs to people who had nothing to do with the "issue".
I told them about the new guild, and they quit our old guild to join us. We almost have a full raid roster now as basically, their entire raid roster left as well as guildies who just played m+ with us. It took less than an hour :'D
I find it hilarious that I got yelled at because my friends and I "didn't play enough with the rest of the guild" and "are not friends with the rest of the guild", when in fact, they left as soon as we did because we played more with them than the GM themselves.
I'm looking forward to this new adventure and hopefully, we'll be in shape to raid soon.
(I did look to "move up", but I'm not certain I will have time in the next few months to dedicate to a more hardcore progression. If I end up feeling the need to move up, I'll see what I'll do then)
Thanks for all your advices.
Preach please stop teasing me with Nighthold, I truly love and miss that raid to much and would go back again and again.
I wouldn't take the gear from the Darkshore warfront quest too much into that equation you're going on about around 18:50, not only have I gotten repeat rewards, but also rewards that were worse than what I already had for the slot back when I didn't have but 2 pieces of BoD gear. It's the problem with RNG having no real bad luck prevention.
My problem with mythic was waiting for everyone else to get the fights right.
Nothing sucks more than being in a safe spot and someone else decides to make a beeline out of their safe spot to kill you. Thank you mythic Taloc. -_-
@Fiif No disagreement. That's just the part that frustrates me in high level content in MMOs.
Wait people didnt figure out taloc?
Preach you the man! Big fan bro.
I don’t mind mythic progression & lord knows I love getting new gear for my battle Barbie, but I also know I’m not a mythic raider.
So when the guild does mythic I show up, but it’s hard to enjoy myself.
I'm the Guild Master and Raid Leader of Ante Bellum Hyjal-Horde EU, currently 6/9 MM. I can relate to so much of the points you did explain. The goal of my guild is simple. End the tier to get CE before the next no more no less. We killed mythic G'Huun 3 weeks before BoD starts. Despite all these feats of strenghts, some guys just quit with no warning, some never show up again.. But this is life folks. From Uldir mythic to now, there is just me , a friend of mine , my hpal and my holy priest , everyone else is new. But our roster is now better than it ever was. Communication is the key to all folks, I'm handling all stuff by myself and get shit done. I evict people who are bad and dont wanna get better, I evict people who always rant (What's surprising is that its not the best players). But I'm enjoying it, dont rage dont yell just do. If you feel that you comrades dont do enough talk with them talk with your officers if It doesnt get better move on. There is really no point to be top 10 or top 5 , there is if you want The hall of fame , dont be discouraged and have fun :)
The original situation from the guy that wrote to you is almost identical to my current situation. I dont have the same opinions as him and my raid leader has some different philosophies but still the similarity is uncanny.
Vanilla / burning crusade. I was in a guild, we were ranked 35th in the world. You just showed up & nuked down the bosses, that was it. There was virtually zero chat over ventrilo. We split for no real reason when Wrath came out, my experience of guilds after that was that it was a lot of hand holding & nonsense.
Best advice, don't lead at all. Let people do their job. If they suck, replace them until you get someone that doesn't suck or need their hand held.
Awesome video. Love your content.
That scenario sounds exactly like my guild in every way. Like.... did someone in my guild ask that?
Though we are now 3/9 mythic.
Something worth saying, because as a raid leader myself I've noticed EVERY single raider is clueless about this. If you just keep farming bosses because someone needs something off it, you will NEVER progress. At some point you have to say "We have enough gear"
Can you do a mythic+ affix guide for those of use noobs that don't know? Basically what each of them do and how to handle them depending on how it affects your role, tank, healer, etc. Or certain combinations. Stuff like that.
We been doing light mythic work for a few weeks. I had someone come into Discord and tell us how doing mythic was going to kill the guild. He provided no logic it was an emotional droning on his part even when we explained we have no intent of being "hardcore". Honestly that is my biggest complaint as someone who raided top 100 back in the day is having people tell us the moment we change a difficulty we are now a "hardcore" group and how little clue they have as to what top progression is vs "eh lets do some mythic bosses".
I started 4 weeks ago neck lvl 42 no "farming" 4 islands a week for the bonus...war turnins...emmisarys and many table missions and neck lvl 42. 2% to 43
My guild actually 18 manned Mythic masters the other night, we felt quite good about that lol
Damn it preach where’d you find that thumbnail image I want it for a wallpaper
How is it that these guys are heroic/mythic raiders and only have lvl 35 and 36 necklace? I haven’t done a dungeon/raid in BFA and don’t do islands and mine is 39.
I don't get it either. I started playing again 3 weeks ago and I'm already 38.
5man heroics were my shit in TBC/Wrath, great times.
I buy the 45 and not farming. I'm 42 and havent logged on in 4 weeks due to work. And I have only had 2 weeks away from work to log on since BoD dropped. I farmed hard at launch until they turned off AK. By which I mean doing every WQ with ap and weekly islands, and i did that again in after BoD launches. Hell I had 4 characters at around 37 when AK got turned off.
There are different levels of " farming " that people have. For me, doing every/nearly every AP quest on top of doing your weekly set of islands is farming because they don't really offer much else as alternate rewards. Unless you are spamming islands for pets and shit, which I wasn't.
Then to some people doing that is just normal and farming would be doing all that on top of meticulously spamming mission table + taking time to grind extra island expeditions. So while many people might not go to this extreme, not everyone has it in them to drag themselves through spamming world quests each day and honestly that's the main way you'd be 40+ so early on
@@Zasaramel Doing every single AP WQ each day most certainly counts as farming. There are many other ways to get extremely efficient AP though. Doing every single Emissary, IE weekly cap, missions, Warfront mats hand-ins, single mob kill AP WQs or just random AP WQs that happen to be in your path as you're doing anything else in the world. On top of that, you will also get a decent amount of passive AP from your in-game activity of choice: Raiding, M+, Arena, BGs.
You will not be 45 if you're purely raidlogging, but it's very possible if you're only doing the efficient stuff mentioned above. 10% away from 45 myself as I'm writing this, and I have NOT kept up with everything I mentioned above, and most certainly never farmed IEs for AP.
I am a coleader in a Heroic only guild, with no intention for Mythic. The GM and I have done Mythic raiding for years, and we're burned out on mythic progress.
I am the type of WoW player where I have no problem to do normal or heroic but I want to get to mythic , too.I have no problem helping others do normal or heroic but I do want mythic raiding after having hc on farm.
Interesting stuff, not subbed to wow, still love your vids.
Might also be the leader is waiting for his buddy to be online
I am in a 4/9M guild(recently 4/9M). This team reached 6/8M in Uldir in the last few weeks of the tier. Also got 10/11M in Antorus. However, we downed some bosses with way too many wipes. Grong was 55 wipes, Opulence was 77. We haven't pulled Conclave yet. Yet our RL promised us CE but I have a certain feeling a lot of people in my team don't want to go further into mythic. Plus, our dps officer is really bad. For example, he only assigned the topaz people around pull 50. We have a lot of dps that wiped us to stupid mistakes on every progression boss way too many times and take a long ass time to learn from them. Plus it seems I put up with more people that I dislike than people I actually like nowadays, our team's stability is starting to decrease, we have trials that have zero mythic experience or have barely existent logs or have no logs at all. We also have a few of them at
77 wipes on Opulence? My guild is progressing on Mekkatorque, We had over 120 wipes before our first kill. Conclave and Rastakhan are vastly easier than opulence as their's not a lot of too punishing mechanics. Mekkatorque and Jaina are THE walls in BoD. If 77 wipes is a lot for you. You need to re-think what kind of guild you want to be in. CE or not. There were lots of bosses in Nighthold, Antorus where you would wipe 100+ times before your first kill.
Well, to specify: I understand 100+ wipes are the norm for big walls. I just didn’t think Opulence would be a big wall at all. I did progress Aggramar mythic. That was 180+ wipes and I saw that as the norm. We had 200+ pulls on Argus and never killed it cause pre patch. I saw that as the norm. I just didn’t think that 77 wipes on Opulence was the norm. I understand however that for Mekka, the norm is way more than that. And maybe if the dps officer had been quicker to assign the topazes, we could’ve wiped less. At least a little less, most of our wipes were in the hallways
awwww Legion raids, I miss Legion
I am rank 45, i did not get out of my to do AP WQ / spam Island.
Emmisary, Island Weekly, Follower Mission and Warfront turn-ins are my biggest source of AP.
Are those considered "farming ap"?
Yeah if you do island weeklys and all your emmisarys thats farming. Its not hardcore farming but its still farming being that theirs no other reason youre grinding those out other than for the daily/weekly ap.. farming lol
Who hasn't done a "headless chicken" as a trial
Offtopic but let me vent off for a bit.
I joined a guild at the start of hfc, I hit the jackpot there since it was just what I was looking for. We would progress through hc and mythic until meeting the very hard bosses (Star bro on Nighthold for example). I had so much fun with them until we reached M Zek'voz and everyone's interest pretty much died.
After that I have been wandering between guilds. In the one I am right now, in mythic Grong prog, the Gm refused to kick any of our four rogues (2 with shit dps) to make room for our actually good lock (We didnt have any other lock so we would be getting healthstones too) because he came 40 minutes late and it would be unfair for the people who showed up on time. Next week Im back on the road, dont know how long I can handle this.
@Terrabreak133 A few questions about your new guild and current predicament. 1) What percentage were you guys wiping at? Unless you guys were close to downing the boss, it is unlikely that the warlock coming in would have realistically changed much of anything. 2) Why was the warlock late? Was the lateness pre-communicated or did he just show up late and simply expect to get into the group whenever he arrived just because he is a "good" lock in the guild?
Did your guild had some issues with Jaina preach ? I was surprised you guys didn't make Hall of Fame this time.
is it just for me that the sound is out of sync in many of preach videos?
It's not just you
My biggest problem with Mythic raiding is 20 people required ... i was finally ready progress grong on mythic after long time ..and there PEOPLE not even show up ..so my progress sunday change into HC alt farm i was so angry that you need 20 people i miss 10 man raiding glorious CATA days ..Blackwing descent Bastion of twillight firelands
BTW im 411 r3 paladin IM FUKIN READY TO KILL mythic i know those mechanics I research every fukin thing
@Ravenac Probably because, "Muh friends", or some endearing factor holding him back from moving on to a much better guild. I've seen alot of decent people cockblock themselves because of these variables.
@Ravenac for sure, because if you enjoy progression but you also have ties to some friends inside of a guild thats far from progression, a real friend wouldnt have to raid with you to stay your friend, you can still completely interract with your friends
@Ravenac for sure, this literally just happened to me, in my 6/9 mythic old guild that was struggling to reclear grong, most of the players were almost depleting 10s, vs the guild I joined with a really good resto druid from my old guild are able to push 20s with us
Hey, battle rezzes didn't work at all like half the time in T11!
I did semi-pugged raiding in TBC and Wrath but never did a legit raiding guild, always seemed unfun
I would have totaly done the same, if people just show up for free epics u should switch progress and farm days.
45 not farming, wtf
Just complete Islands, warfronts, weekly Mythic 10+, and World Quests every week. 45 is average as long as you do not skip a week. No farming required, just consistency.
It depends what you call farming rite? 44/45 is about rite if you always kept up with dailys/weeklys. Personally I would only call it "farming" to go beyond that.
Damn guys you are good, i do all those and just hit 43
I skipped a lot if weeks of islands and haven't really knocked out all the WQs for ap and I'm halfway through 44.
45 without farming really isn't that much of a stretch.
Like the others have said, just regular play will get you that. Farming is if you ever reached needing 100k+ azerite for the next level. I've been lazy with World Quests in Season 2 and I still have 45 now. I'm mostly not because I know it's capped at 50 so it feels like in ~5 weeks I'll be done no matter if I'm lazy or not.
45 neck without farming, buuuuuuuuuuuuuullshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. My main I clear heroic, and have 5/9M on farm, i do the weekly islands, 1 weekly M+10 - 13. and i am on neck 42.
11:12 i wish i could be in such a guild
A logical, clear, and objective treatment of rational-thinking based raid leading in WoW? Someone get me a pitchfork...
Our guild actually has the opposite problem, we get people avoiding hc runs even if its just jaina on an extended lock where we want to get curve for those who missed the first kill. And some of these guys aren't even full 400 gear yet.
Thats horrible :(
Seeing the footage of Nefarion Heroic makes me miss those days. Blackwing Descent was one of the funnest raids to get Heroic.
Omnitron Defense System (1st or 2nd boss) was a joke on Normal, on Heroic it became one of the more difficult fights.
Nefarion HC however was nerfed countless times because guilds just couldn't get past! Very good raid indeed.
Nefarian* Neltharian was Deathwing. Nefarian was the son
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Preach, I realized that the chance of a reply is slim but you miss all the shots you don’t take.
I’ve recently returned to the game after playing BFA for a week on my beloved paladin and being gutted that I didn’t enjoy it anymore. Losing my main since vanilla was just to much.
I still got the itch and came back and boosted a warlock. I wasn’t aware about their outstanding position I just always wanted to play one.
Now my question is about finding a guild and avoiding pitfalls. I don’t want to be a mythic raider anymore, just heroic and maybe the first 3. I’m just not sure how to find a guild for this.
I’m aware that there’s tons of HC guilds around. However I don’t know how to find one that is HC by choice. I might sound arrogant but I’m a decent player I don’t struggle with HC content.
I’m not sure how to find a guild that isn’t just doing HC cause they can’t handle it. I don’t mind whiping I’m just afraid that the quality of players isn’t that great. How do you find a guild of players that could do higher content without them having the ambition to do so?
If 30 ppl wanted to move on to BWL but 10 didn't. You did them a favor by kicking them.
RL "why did you die?" every DPS ever "i didn't get enough healing"
As a healer main since early TBC, the amount of truth in that statement hurts. I’ve heard people lay all kinds of wipes at the feet of the healers when it was compounding mistakes that caused the death(s).
Quick example would be a heroic council in Antorous that stands out in my memory. We had what I would consider a carry group with us - our core raiders were running some alts and guild mates through heroic to get them their AOTC and some gear. Because about half the raid were “socials” who’d never seen a heroic encounter, the run was very messy. Our first pull on council we wiped because of mines. A random social hunter said in discord “healers need to wake up” and a few people agreed. The problem was we had two healers from the core team who were overgeared and parsing in the 95th percentile. The next pull we killed it easier, and both myself and the other core healer were jokingly bemoaning having bad parses because there wasn’t enough damage to be healed. Because no one was handling mines with the LFR strat of just ignore them and if you set them off you set them off nbd.
@@iconicfury most of the times I have seen any issues with healers was cd calling and dispells, and admittedly not too often. I really dont remember much healer blaming in raids at least.
Raid lead as a healer. :) That's what i did.
@@nicholaspassage1295 Fair, I'm sure everyone has had different experiences. I'd also note that the more "hardcore" you get, the less healers seem to get blamed.
45 is definitely possible without farming. I'm 47.5 right now without any farming .....the only things I do are the AP world quests, the weekly island, and one M+10, along with the weekly BoD clear. Anyone who says you need to no-life to get to mid-40s now either doesn't want to play at all, or believes the forum nonsense that high 40s is for no-lifers.
Doing every ap world quest is farming though, much more than what most do
thats considered farming idiot
@@nicholaspassage1295 It barely takes an hour, or a bit over, depending on the number of them up, to get them all done. If one hour can't be put aside to do them, then I don't see the reason to play an MMO.
@@kn0bhe4d but there are more productive things to be doing than farming ap, especially considering everyone's going to be capped at 50 before 8.2, after 43, it's minimal gains.
I remember during Antorus after we cleared Heroic and could easily farm it, the second I mentioned "I'd like to try the 1st boss on Mythic and see how we do, just an hour or 2" we had about 5 or 6 people immediately say no thanks and they basically stopped raiding period. Mythic is this stigma where everyone expects you have to pay the Mythic tax when you're 4 months into a raid and its the 1st boss that you overgear by a full 10 ilvls lol. Mythic 1st and 2nd boss is often easier than last 3 on heroic depending on the raid. As a GM/raid lead it was crazy getting called Mythic elitist because I had interest in trying 1st boss on mythic, in month 4 of the raid lol. It was just a suggestion and we ended up losing about 3 or 4 raiders by suggesting it lol.
just pots that can stack btw, 31 day ban btw
It was pretty silly to see that josh gets a 7 day ban while he was promoting it on stream (I think he got 7 days cause mythic race in CoS) but preach gets 31 days no promotion of it.
Nicholas Passage he did promote it. He live streamed it.
I can't imagine this guy being a very good raid leader
18:45
x-perl... i member
Good day to you all!
how do you play a video game for this long / this frequently?
you open the game, then you play.
If you enjoy it is doesn't seem like a chore (I've been in both situations)
wow is like your faforite pub / bar / club - its ok on its own but you are there because of the people
if there are no people that you like / want then you'll leave but if its the opposite you go back time after time
@@TooNice2BeMe if you can look back at this much time wasted in a chair looking at a screen and feel satisfied, then thats ok for those type of people i guess. just baffles me though
@@Arakox well pls tell me where it is different then meeting your friends in a bar twice a week.
You share time together, talk, laugh and have fun - the only difference is that you dont see them in person
Times where you have fun is not time wasted
try having your best healer a mute and your best dps def on mekatork what do u do and i cant bench them thats wrong they carried most of the idiots in te raid in previous fights feels bad man
There are whisper macros for people that cant hear or talk. We have 3 people in our guild that have similar issues and it works fine for them.
God bless you
I have 45 too and I've been very lazy this season with it. I've never done like islands especially for it. I've done some islands, for the achievement but I never felt like I really "grinded" to those 100k+ azerite level. I've never done that. This season I haven't even cleared the map of WQs daily like I did last season. So yeah I kind of feel like I didn't "grind" for it, because to me grind says the 1000 hour grinds of Runescape 15 years ago and not this casual WoW stuff.
I've skipped islands plenty, and only do emissaries and if a paragon chest is close, and I'm 45. I'm aware i put in more effort than many people, but in no way did i grind.
THIS IS A WIPEFEST
'many millions of people who play world of warcraft'...........dont think so preach
I have no interest whatsoever in Mythic raiding. If a Heroic raiding guild did a bait-and-switch on me I would probably leave unless it's temporary and I'm just filling while they recruit.
It's not so much the difficulty that turns me off since I did Heroic back when it was the hardest difficulty, I just prefer smaller groups when I'm pushing difficult content, that way I have way more impact on the success of the raid and the wins feel more personal. If Blizzard made a 10-man Mythic raid I might be interested, but as long as they're 20 I'll pass.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the first guild was Honorbound on moonglade. From first hand experience I can tell you the officers and especially the gm are extremely weak and don’t communicate well. Pity as they could be a really good guild with the right leaders.
Is this my guild? I swear this is a copy and paste story of my guild before it died on the previous raid tier. No joke same thing. It always seem like it happens when the GM is egotistical
I do not think you can compare going from heroic to mythic to vanilla MC to BWL. I use to be very hard core. I genuenly thought I was good or at least decent at the game, it wasn't until warlords that I actually found out how bad I was. I joined this guild that were doing mythic Blackrock Foundry. I thought "I know I'm behind on gear, but once I get geared up I'll be able to do this". and the guild genuely helped me out with that, I got geared up, but my dps was still struggling and my hunter class officer was like.. "what is happening, why is your dps so low" and all I could say was "I actually don't know, I've looked at guides (yours and others) and I think I'm doing the right things but my dps is just not there" and after thinking about it for a while, I decided mythic raiding wasn't for me. that was the day I actually lost my interest in playing dps classes. I played tanks on the side and I dare still say I'm decent at that, but tanking is just so much easier than healing or dps, even someone that plays with 1 hand can do it at a decent level. But I ssdtill wouldn't want to tank in a mythic raid. Mythic + dungeons onn the other hand are very fun.
I am HOPE! lol
Step 1: Exploit and don’t expect ban
Step 2: None
the thing about it, is people were tweeting and asking blizz about it, they didn't respond for days. IMO, you don't ban people if you can't be bothered to respond and say it isn't intended and bans are being considered if people abuse this bug. They were silent, intentionally. That is on them, more than the players. Its been explained. A majority of players just play the fucking game. They see others dinging like crazy, ask, then do it as well.
It is on ActiBlizz 99% for me, because they were silent. They could've disabled the item for a couple days. They could've fixed it faster. They could've just posted ANY response to the flood of people poking at them.
People are fucking stupid, and that includes devs and CMs.
I didn't do it, I haven't played since about 2-3 weeks into BfA, but bs is bs. These people weren't fly hacking, teleporting, botting, etc. They just split a stack and consumed an item.
Greed is the answer. Leveling is boring. The 20th time much more so. They are selling boosts. Why do you think they nerfed the ever loving shit out of heirlooms power and don't really want you having every slot filled with an xp buff to max level. They want it to be slow. It is the new way of doing business, microtransactions with convenience or pretties on top of your monthly fees and your xpac purchase costs. They got to make money, but they already do hand over fist.
Nah, terms of use are strict and everybody should read them. NO INTENTIONAL EXPLOITING ... it’s that simple. AND BTW, first 4-5 expanaions were much slower, so there is no problem in speed of leveling right now.