Josh Duggar's Body Language Hints at Something Sinister | Establishing Baseline and Social Dynamic
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2021
- Former reality TV star, Joshua James Duggar, age 33 is charged with one count of receipt of CP and one count of possession of CP and the trial is upon us. He faces up to 20 years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines per count if he’s convicted.
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Anyone who sexually abuses a child should not EVER be allowed to be in a community of people again. Period.
I say let him out into the prison community. He'll be taught exactly what other prisoners think of CM. It ain't good.
It's time to bring back the penal colony!!!
Anyone who sexually abuses a child should be sterilized.
I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Except gen pop lol. They're gonna have fun with him if he ever gets out of protective custody.
“At least I have a husband, I could be out there working AND taking out the trash!” As someone who doesn’t have a spouse and has to work and support myself and take out my own trash, I can confidently say my current situation is MUCH better than being married to someone I’m not truly happy with. And **especially** someone who is misogynistic, smug, hypocritical, and-worst of all-a CM.
I'm married and still take out the trash. If that's all a guy is good for then they're not worth it
Girl same. Anna set that bar on the ground with that comment.
Taking out the trash is not a gender specific task. Neither is changing a light bulb. And one of the perks of having money is being able to pay people for lawn care, auto repair, and fixing the plumbing.
Seriously, what a statement to make. If it's JUST about having a husband, why not just go full throttle and marry for money? It doesn't matter if he cheats on you or commits heinous crimes. At least you have a husband AND you don't have to work. You wouldn't even have to take out the trash either >: (
Yeah imagine the spousal quality bar being so low that the best thing he does is take out the garbage. I remember when she was pregnant the first time and he went to go pick up some car with a tow truck before her doctors appointment. All he could focus on was this damn car not his sick wife and the fact that he made them over an hour late to her doctors appointment. I couldn’t believe how selfish he was and the excuses that Anna made saying something about how he was such a hard worker or some nonsense. Fml.
I think she is still doing it alone I thought marriage was supposed to be 2 people not 1 and a half when the half wants to be there and it's like she's already doing the stuff alone I'm not sure what the difference is? Is it just me like am I just too young to understand or am I just stupid? Cause I'm 21 and was in a very very toxic abusive relationship and was in it for 3 and a half years and I couldn't be more damaged than I am and even though he had proposed I was always the one doing everything he'd purposely fill up all his dishes and dirty his entire house and I have epilepsy and if I had a seizure he'd let me fall then when it was done he'd ask from the couch if I was ok then I'd have to continue then he'd purposely call his mom tell his mom I destroyed his house and I wasn't cleaning up after myself and she'd come over get in my face and almost slapped me a few times and would say her son deserved better then if I missed something on the dishes he'd break it and make me clean the glass and then make me redo all of them and that's isn't even half of things so I mean I'm not really sure what she means by her statement
I will never forget the episode when Anna took a pregnancy test for her 1rst pregnancy. Josh took the test and wouldn't let her see it until he saw it first and then let her see it. So controlling, so sickening. She looked so frustrated and controlled by him.
What?! Dang!
😡😡😡
Wait what?! Lile I know he's a control freak but like dude thats litterally not his thing to tell her
uhm, no... she actually handed him the test and told him to surprise her, because the first test was negative and she was disappointed, I remember watching that ad thought, they had only been married 4 months...
I watched that episode. To me, it looked fake and set up. Her reaction was so fake. They knew and just did the test for the cameras.
As a former fundie, I completely understand Anna’s behavior in the booth. Notice that her dad had to reassure her that it was ok for her to be “alone” with Josh. Not only was she surprised that he was there, she was shy and had been taught her whole life that she should never sit close to a member of the opposite sex. We had the “6 inch rule” and they would measure with a songbook or Bible to make sure we were appropriately spaced. Also, she had only met Josh in person 2-3 times. How she is acting is perfectly normal in cults like these.
Thank you. They don’t take into account much about Anna’s actions more so about how she was raised. I remember her acting 100% in love. Then she stays after his awful ways. Another example of how she was raised.
Holy hell that explains it. I went to Catholic school and thought it was odd we had confession so often, had nuns hit our pews for cheixh singing practice, and had our skirts measured every morning. I’m now an atheist. I’m sorry but I hate all religion. Along w school, I had Sunday school and church processions and singing at my family’s foreign church (I didn’t understand a word) shoved down my throat. I’ve had 2 natural miscarriages and absolutely will never get married after watching my alcoholic “father” (we are no contact. I won’t even let him see my dog who is treated way better than any of these family vlogging assholes’ kids), I will NEVER marrry. Trying to find IVF for $22k alone bc it’s just about too late bc of cancer treatment. I listened to everyone tell me I didn’t want or need kids at 28. I’m now 36 and very close to menopause. My only dream in life is to be a mom. And I’ll be a single mom by choice. Doing it alone. MY CHOICE. I cannot imagine having to wait for a partner to immediately marry just to sleep with. 9/10 fundamentalist married couples divorce. I’ll be happy alone w my dog and my baby. Thanks but no thanks. A god would not have let what happened to me, happen to me. We are all alone in this life.
We had that at a Christian school I went to for 2 years. Hardly anyone followed it. 😂 I had a buddy who joked that he broke it the same day they handed out promise rings. I was with him when we threw them in the trash. It was the last day of grade 10 and I was going to a public school in September and he spent another year in purgatory. The basketball star got the volleyball captain, one year his senior, pregnant and while he was allowed back after a week, she was banned from the school for the duration of her pregnancy. I saw her sneak in the back to talk to the cook, and I assured her I wouldn’t rat on her. I couldn’t wait to leave. The students were more or less fine, but the administrators and the policies were insane. There are things I miss about that school, but the moralizing and double standards were 2 things I never will.
I am LIVING for Megan’s sass. “He also had to dig holes and shave his head there 🥺” QUEEN GO OFF
Logan dead stare at the camera had me WEAK.
There should be no statue of limitations when it comes to a minor‼️‼️‼️ they need time to process and understand what happened to them and in a lot of cases it takes years, decades or even a lifetime before they gain the strength to come forward...
I want to know how Josh learned it. Especially since their family traditions are not to speak of intercourse. It’s my opinion his only sexual interludes have been as a victim and he learned how to groom. It’s not something we are born with. Sexual proclivities to minors isn’t normal sexual behavior in the states. He was a victim first.
@@MichelleCWeber once he shared with his parents that he had SA'd his sisters they sent him to a law enforcement officer for a, who is a long term family friend, "stern talking to" about what could happen to him. Said law enforcement officer is now in jail for 50+ years for CP charges similar to Josh's charges. He MAY (although not probable) have learned about these horrible actions through the family friend/ law enforcement officer.
That's what happened to me. By the time I was able to report all the police could legally do was a small investigation and a restraining order but my parents told them I lied and denied the order
I know they change the rules in at least Pennsylvania - there is no statute of limitations when it comes to abuse against a minor. Oh - I know grandfathering people through the system if they committed the abuse even if it was before the law was enacted they are still able to be held accountable.
Edit: actually - I’m not sure if this holds true since he was a minor at the time but his parents knew and did not report it to the proper authorities. I think in at least in some states that doesn’t have any limitations
@@melissakresky9186 I think it’s a much larger group of individuals participating in these violations of young children (SA & CP).
I’m surprised JimBob is not on anyone’s radar! This man raised his children to constantly think about sex. Something is wrong with this man and I’m shocked the same alarms aren’t going off Josh’s dad as well
I wonder if he also sexually abused his kids. It would not surprise me. Going easy on Josh to keep him quiet about his own villainy would be pretty on par for the type of ass-hat he seems to be.
As someone raised in this cult he should be.
Yeees! I’ve said since the beginning they are so hyper-focused on sex and sexualize everything from a hug to hair etc - it mimics the hyper focus of many fundamentalist Islamic cultures and it’s not healthy for children
I agree with you. I wonder if Jim Bob was his teacher and mentor. I bet daddy dearest is guilty for his own abuse most likely similar to Josh's. JB did nothing to protect his daughters. This couple has been so negligent as parents. They have focused on all the wrong things and have failed to teach their children to be strong and resist temptation. JB and Michelle have been teaching avoidance. At the word NIKE they are to look at their shoes and not a person. Why not teach them strength of character. You can't avoid looking constantly.
I remember very well that in an episode Jim Bob said because of Joshes issues they had to move very quickly for them to marry because of his issues. She knew of what he did before marriage so maybe that is why she looks scared.
I'm a survivor of CSA by actual family members and I was pretty much taught it was normal and to this very day I'm still in therapy, after watching ur first video with this disgusting "family" I cried bc I'm more happy than anything that there are ppl like you and your wife who are horribly angry with this!! I'm very very grateful to have ur support and by support I mean with that pure rage you have... is actually comforting if I'm being honest!!
i am sorry that happened to you and we are all outraged, that is why we are here, and i was hoping josh would get 20 yrs in prison, but he only got 12 yrs, i felt let down by the justice system. I think laws on CSA need to be stricter
Josh will not change. He is a danger to society for sure.
Yes, this couples reaction is how people SHOULD feel.
I believe you can learn how to love and protect your heart. 🤍💙🤍💙🤍🌹🕊️🌌🌱My studies show this is close to SRA satanic ritual abuse
You can surely b restored.
Hugs to u ((((((((Britt))))))🤗
I'm so sorry that happened to you. Rest assured there are many people who are enraged by people who do this, especially in communities that brainwash people & kids to control and abuse them. There are far too many sick, dangerous people in the world. I will say, don't feel like there's anything wrong with being in therapy. Even people with an easier life benefit from it. The stigma is stupid. Who doesn't want a professional advice-giver?
“We didn’t want our kids to have the same problems we had.” Jim-boy, I am so sad to say you have given them much, MUCH worse problems
Amen!
You know often times...and this is really sad...parents who truly do love their kids, genuinely do what they think or are told is "right" for their kids, but often times it ends up being worse. Like damn...this is why I never will have children, along with many other reasons
Honestly everything is a result of their parenting.
@@fovosprodromus5020 my parents always said that every generation tries to fix the problems of the previous generation, and gives the next generation a whole new set. Seems to be the way things are, but it’s really sad when the result is someone who is so monstrous like Josh Duggar
My thoughts exactly
As a Christian, this video makes it 100% clear why the entire world calls us hypocrites, liars & blind mouthpieces!
I never watched this show, it bothered me before I was a Christian however as a survivor or family childhood sexual abuse...this
enraged me!
What's heartbreaking to me is that I have a friend who grew up sexually abused by her pastor Grandfather who loved watching the show and I remember her saying she didn't want to date but court. Her life has taken quite a few twists and turns and she's in a good place now. I grew up in a large Christian healthy and loving extended family and in a tight free methodist small village Canadian Christian community..... it makes me so uncomfortable to watch all this.
I grew up in an AOG church. looking back I'm glad I got out when I graduated.
My guardian was an abusive woman who even got away with it because everyone knew she was a "good christian woman". Even when invetigated she showed the made-from-a-bamboo-flooring-piece paddle they used, and showed a few bruises to the social worker. That sunday the preacher asked for everyone to pray for her facing "clearly false accusations". Not a single person said a single word to me.
Some kids being abused both FCA and CSA were taken in by foster families in the church.
There is no decency in fundamentalist churches.
I was just thinking the same thought while watching this: I am a Christian, too and this is heartbreaking. This is NOT Christianity. It’s nonsense.
I’m glad you’re aware of how horrible this show was
All have sinned not just Christians. People don't always do the right thing. Religion has nothing to do with it.
As a Christian, this makes me sick. This is what nightmares are made of. Poor Anna may as well be on a leash. This is so heartbreaking. That is absolutely not normal behavior or a good way of life. Period. None of this (except the justice part ofc) is what Jesus would do :( people really abuse God’s name to do some truly despicable things
Those people are the ones TRULY going to hell.
It's worse than a leash. She's brainwashed.
I always find it interesting that every single self-proclaimed Christian says they know what Jesus would do--and yet none of them can agree.
I know, I know, I know: _you_ are a _real_ Christian. The other ones, maybe not. But you're sure that _you_ get it right. You and every other Christian out there. You can't all be right, but you _can_ all be wrong.
As Christian myself I find this to be very offensive, I do not think I am right in all that I do. My personal beliefs are not the same as many others and I know that, so when it comes to judging our community as a whole I would like to state that not *all* (though there are some) do not generally think they are correct. We don’t know, that is part of our religion. So I would like to ask that you don’t group us together :)
@@bluefoxplayz3933 Are you talking to me? This is just an iteration on the whole, "not all Christians are evil" meme.
The look on her face as her parents left her there with him was pure terror and abandonment
I love Megan's face when he's talking about mirroring others body language, just as she caught herself mirroring Logan's 😄 it was adorable
I was about to comment the same thing, that was so cute!!!
its around 21:07 if anyones wondering
They mirror each other pretty heavily in all the videos that they've been in together. They seem really cute.
lol I noticed that too. It was like when someone says you have a nice smile and u suddenly become super conscious of it.
They are so freaking cute🥺
As a former evangelical Christian, THANK you for pointing out some of the stupid and damaging stuff that purity culture does. I’m so glad I eventually saw the world more like you do, just sad at how long it took.
Question, how old were you when you were brought into the church and what age did you start to separate yourself?
I’ve been having discussions with people on how kids being *required* to go to church is indoctrination.
@@basicbrittani there’s also Christians like myself, that certainly aren’t the cult-like “Christians” like the Duggar’s, that were never once forced to go to Church. My family didn’t go to church at all but I was told about Jesus when I was a child, my mom gave me a really nice children’s Bible and left it to me to read it or not. I chose to read it and I loved that children’s Bible so much! I remember looking at the picture of the lion and the lamb laying beside each other and thinking how great heaven will be. I go by The Lion and the Lamb here on RUclips because of that picture and the warm memories it still brings me. I’m 43 now and still a follower of Christ. I wasn’t indoctrinated, certainly not by a church. Since you don’t learn about Jesus at school I was taught a little about him at home and than given the choice if I wanted to learn more I went to that Bible and read. If you have any questions for Christians like myself that weren’t indoctrinated but chose Christianity I’m happy to answer any questions.
As a current evangelical Christian….. none of that shit is in the Bible…..
@@Natchel100 what I’ve learned is that you can make the Bible say whatever the hell you want. Just do enough cherry-picking and avoiding historical context and you’ve got yourself a compelling argument for just about anything
@@basicbrittani I’m a missionary kid. It went well beyond just forcing me to go to church and I was born into it. Been deconstructing and reconstructing my worldview for about 4-5 years now, which means I was in that bubble for 27 years
I'm in shock to have read last night they named their newest baby,Madyson.Even though the spelling is different,the fact Anna can call her daughter the same name from the Ashley Madison cheating account Josh used, just shows you how blinded and out of touch this girl is!
That has to be a bad joke. No one is that beaten down!
And HE co signed it!
Oh wow I didn't even realize that yet!!
Oh that's COLD.
OMG! It’s true😳
They KEY point from her talking about her wedding for me was saying “I feel like I’m doing the RIGHT thing” not what I want, desire, or anything else. The right thing… huh
Also, can we please give appreciation to all the officials who have to spend hours upon hours examining this kind of repulsive footage? The rates of PTSD in these fields are so incredibly high, and they suffer a great deal in order to put these pieces of shit away. Huge respect to them.
Absolutely! Not enough appreciation goes to the people in this area of law enforcement. It must begin to affect other areas in their life, like their relationships etc and warp their world view 😓 the strength it must take. Also the difficulty given the technology around these days and that victims are in a different country to the criminal, so hats off to the team work across boarders
I agree. I wish I could give everyone of those people a huge ass huge and tell them how, as a victim myself, I appreciate their sacrifices. I can not imagine
True Story
Thank you SO much for acknowledging that. I'm a cop's daughter. He spent 25 years in one of California's most dangerous cities. It almost broke him towards the end. They had 2 natural disasters back to back and he was the command officer for the rescue and recovery. First there was a major earthquake and a double decker freeway collapsed and crushed/trapped everyone on it. Then came the Oakland Berkeley Hill Fire. He lost one of his men in that one... he went back up one time too many trying to get as many people out as he could. When found his body, they realized he made a desperate attempt to save a child by covering her body with his. The Firestorm that hit him was so hot, his badge was melted.
I didn't intend to type a wall of text... but thank you. Thank you for recognizing how much horrible, dark, evil shit our Sheepdogs* see and hold at bay for us. ❤
*An affectionate nickname for those who feel called to protect others.
@@krexoriginal oh my gosh! Your father was a true hero until the very end. Thank you so much for sharing his story. I know I couldn't do what so many men and women do everyday--they bravely walk into Hell day in and day out--I can only imagine the horrors. I have so much respect for anyone who is willing to lay down their life to save a complete stranger. ❤🤗
20 years in prison is never enough for anyone who does bad things to children. I feel like sexual crimes towards children is worse than murder. Children are innocent and helpless, vulnerable and naive. Anyone willing to take advantage of that deserves to rot in prison forever.
It makes me physically sick
He should be locked up for the rest of his life.
I agree with you. Sexual abuse on a child specifically kills a child's capacity to respect himself or herself. It kills a child's caoacity to have a normal sexual life as an adult. It kills the child's innocence and capacity to truly be a child This destroys and kills the child's childhood. So, yes, it is a type of a murder. The child's body is a shell of a person that is alive but all the things that make up the emotional and some physical parts of a child are killed. The penalty for this should be worse than the penalty for murder. There is no guaranteed cure for this perversion. They should never get out of jail.
I agree 100%! He deserves to be in prison until he dies. It's absolutely disgusting that child abusers get less time than murderers! They have literally destroyed a child! FOREVER! I agree with of all you, thank you for your comments
He gonna be good bc his parents rich...most likely he will be in seg from everyone. Theyll eventually "get" him but use him for his money like a good lil prison btch
The best thing about this episode are, hands down, the moments when you guys cut back to you and your reactions to the mess on the screen 😂
17:02
Megan, a mix of shock, awkward and disgust cringe, hand covering face 🤣
Logan, head nearly hits the table 🤣🤣 "That was so smooth.........." 🤣🤣🤣
You guys are fantastic together, I wish you nothing but happiness!
My mom once told me that she'd listened to the argument for "courting" (*cough* arranged marriage *cough*) and felt it was reasonable, but my dad said no. He said he refused to be responsible for his children's relationships. This isn't a comment against my mom, she's an innocent person who tends not to see things for what they are and wants to believe the best of things. My dad has his faults, but he never liked the methods of the ATI movement, and (as a daughter) I appreciate him immensely for it.
ATI and their ilk are sure devious, I'm glad your father knew better! When I was young my mom listened to "Focus on the Family" and even got the newsletter. She used to tell me all the time what they said, and why we "needed" to listen. Once I was old enough and learned who they actually were, I told my mom not to support then or listen to what they said. And she actually listened! She's a Catholic, so I pointed out how when they said we need to be a "Christian nation," they were talking about THEIR brand of "christianity," and that they don't even consider Catholics to be Christian, so if they ever got their way she'd no longer be able to practice and would have to become their style of Baptist. That was all it took for her to give them up! It's been a really long time, and I can't even think of the last time she brought them up, it was years ago!
I think it’s also very telling when her parents go to “look around the restaurant” and her dad says something like “you’ll be ok” to her when she looks at him concerned.
Exactly my thinking!!!! 💯
Good eye
Ew that just jump started the creep factor
The whole thing is weird but it could have also been in reference to that they always needed a ‘chaperone’
it kinda looks like she says "no" and shakes her head right after her dad says "you'll be ok"
I admire both of your restraint. Josh and his father are pure evil, and I used to feel bad for Anna, but not anymore. She has been to every court date. She has heard the charges and the evidence and she knows more than anyone the deceit josh is capable of. She has chosen him over protecting her children. My heart breaks for the victims.
👏100% agree.
I agree and disagree at the same time. She has been abused and manipulated so much by this man. He is the only man she has ever been Intimate with or loved. I remember when my abusive husband admitted to me that he had sex with 9 other women.... in 4 months. I was sick for days. I could not pick up the pieces of me. It was months and months before I finally left him and then divorced him and even then.....I still loved him. I did NOT want to divorce him. But I knew he would never be safe for me. I knew he would lie to me again. I had become so codependent. It happened very, very quickly. This women has been with this man for YEARS. How much worse would it be for her then it was for me? He will go to prison. She will hopefully have enough space to heal and realize that she deserves better. But even if she doesn't, her children will be protected from a man who is, unfortunately, not safe for them to be alone with. She can not mentally process the reality of what he has done. I don't think she is capable right now. Please don't hate this women. Her world is about to be turned completely upside down. He isn't going to be with her soon. He will go to prison. The evidence against him is staggering.
@@jenniferaldrich1142 THIS. Also, its ENTIRELY possible that the abusive father figures in their lives have threatened more than either physical or psychological harm; they may have threatened to take her children from her, to cut her off from the family, etc if she did not show support to the man she was coerced into marrying. I feel bad for her; she has no good choice, and may just be trying to protect her own children within the prison of a world she lives in.
@@jenniferaldrich1142 To add to what you said....not only has she been manipulated and emotionally abused (possibly verbally, and who knows what else) by this man for years, but she was already conditioned by her upbringing to be subservient, basically. Idk much about the families or their beliefs, but I assume her parents are part of the same faith as his parents are. And, clearly the teachings in that culture is one where women tend to be subservient and obey the men, and so she may feel she has no choice but to be by his side right now. (She may also be terrified of being on her own, espeically if her family would not be supportive if she sought a divorce, as a single mom with 7 kids to take care of...particularly if she has little or no experience working or being on her own).
I'm just so pissed because she's told she has to be loyal to her husband before all else but that rule doesn't apply to Josh. There's a lot of mysogyny in this specific community that says to obey your husband no matter what.
That smug, contemptful look (same one from his mug shot) is exactly like my ex husband who was raise fundamentalist evangelical and is an ordained minister who was involved in what seemd like endless cheating scandals and cons. The night I saw Josh's mug shot I barely slept for all the horrid memories it stirred up.
if memory serves, Anna wasn't even Josh's first choice: the girl he'd been courting prior to Anna had the relationship broken off when her parents learned of Josh's behavior. If Anna had known, I wonder if she would have refused Josh's proposal too.
Funny story....Josh shared about his hehaviornto Anna her parents during his "testimony" and about how God had forgiven him. Anna said she was "moved" by him and her parents were convinced that Josh was redeemed. Her parents failed with trying to set her up with a good guy.
If I remember correctly, they admitted that Anna and her parents were aware of him molesting his sisters before they got married. I saw a comment on one of the news stories that said something like, "Their parents should be ashamed of themselves, for making Anna feel like she needs to stand by and support someone like Josh." And I totally agree.
They probably kept it from Anna, at least in the beginning, but her parents definitely knew. Jimbob and Michelle were desperate to marry off Josh asap because they thought if he could just have sex he would be fine
@@cheesyDELISH48 I heard someone say that she knew of the molestations before they were even "courting", but I know for sure that she admitted that she knew of them before they got married.
@@katherinekapellen5248 This could explain why she is pulling away, shaking her head no, and looking terrified.
There are "Christian" women that think you should stand by your man even if he is in jail from doing this to his own children!!! Children are precious in the sight of God and a blessing. I don't understand how someone who claims to be Christian can do this or have family that supports him. He is the one who should be banished.
It came out later Anna’s family wasn’t aware of the extent of his depraved behavior 🙇🏼♀️
As much as this killed you to do, and hurt me to watch, thank you for doing this video. I grew up with the Duggars being the golden standard. When his actions with his sisters weren’t dealt with properly, and the family was so silent about it, it made me feel that I also had to be silent about my own r*pe. I felt very alone. Your video has helped bring me some inner peace. Thank you.
I am so sorry for what you went through. I know saying that doesn't help but I admire your bravery in posting your comment.
you are very brave and so so strong. keep fighting gorgeous 💕💕
You are not alone and you are loved. I'm so sorry that you had to endure this. Love and light to you, may you get all the help you need and live a wonderful life💗
You are very strong I’m happy for you that you’re doing better
I bet the family blamed the girls. Just have that sick feeling you know :(. I hope you are doing well sending you love and was in the same boat too 😞
One of the most difficult things for me in this case is how to feel about Anna. She’s obviously abused, but I also don’t feel comfortable just telling her “that’s alright little girl, go forward with your life and don’t do that again, ok?” She kept silent about the worst of crimes. She owes the victims and society a debt.
I think it's about reform. If Anna showed signs of growth and understanding of why what she did was wrong and how she needs to be better, then most people would be inclined to leave it at that. Because she was brainwashed at a very young age and put in a very abusive situation. But she still has custody of those kids and goes out of her way to demonstrate she's learned nothing. So the fact she's going to continue to fail to Protect children just doesn't sit right. Brainwashed of not, you don't get a pass when your behavior is putting children at risk.
He wasn’t assaulting children during his marriage and no way did she know about the CSAM her was viewing.
I was raised in this belief system from the age of 2 and took me 40 years to see the truth, I was also put in an arranged marriage and have so much empathy for Anna going through all this. Thank you for putting out this content to allow people to understand the truth of how they're being treated and the gaslighted. I also appreciate the coping mechanisms that were pointed out because that is absolutely true and people don't understand why we do those things. Thank you again!
It definitely wasn’t a gut feeling. He was married off by his parents to try to curb his tendencies. He was previously betrothed to another woman but that fell through after she and her parents found out what he did to his sisters. She didn’t want to marry him then. He was besotted with the other woman and Anna was just a backup wife for him. His parents felt that if they married him off then he’d be able to direct his urges towards her
Great parenting 😱🤢
This makes me want to puke honestly. I'm wondering now if Anna and her family knew about his actions before hand. If they did know, I'm even more disgusted with her parents for forcing her into that situation.
Anna was a fan of Josh who gushed over him and his family. After the two of them courted, I think she knew what a lowlife he was. But her dad wanted her to marry him. That’s why, I think, she kept trying to distance herself from him when he proposed. Her dad and Jim Bob became besties, so naturally her dad pushed her into marrying that douchebag.
@@kaysee2428 in the interview she did about the situation, she said she knew before they got married. However sources close to the family say she didn’t know and was blindsided when that came out. By then it was too late. They were married with some kids. She was orchestrated by JB to go on RV to say she knew beforehand
@@kaysee2428 - They knew. It was public knowledge within the church.
The way he speaks to Anna brought tears to my eyes. I spent 11 years in an abusive marriage and it literally felt like I was hearing my ex instead of him. The way she spoke about their relationship reminded me a lot of how I used to portray my marriage publicly as well. I hope she’s able to break free after all of this, I just know how unlikely it is due to the lack of family or community support she would have. She’s completely powerless and has been given absolutely no say in her or children’s fates.
I think that's why Jill's husband sat with her to show support and that she does have it. She's definitely been abused. Probably sexually as well herself. Feeling like she had to do what he wants to keep him from staying only to find this out.
I know. Same thing for me.
@@sarahs3988 I think he used her, the way he uses everyone.....and labled it love. Its never been love from his side. He has always, always used her....he probably doesn't realize it. She doesn't either. But he is a narcissist. She loved him. Gave herself to him. And has believed that his abuse of her is love. But it isn't. It never has been. She deserves so much more. I wish she could see it. I wish he had been a good man to her. She got stuck with the wrong brother. Joseph and John David adore their wives and want nothing to do with Josh. At least a few of the kids, so far, have turned out better then him.
Gaslighting is strong in that family. Misuse of Christian ethic.
Well she is free now...he is going to jail for a long time! If she does not get it or understand, someone needs to sit her down and be very blunt with her. Somebody please get her and the kids away from him this creep yesterday!
Watching Mr. and Mrs. Observe trying to contain their rage at the Duggars is extremely relatable.
"Im gonna go wash my hands"
"Im gonna cut mine off" 😂😂😂😂😂😂 omg you two are so great 😂
Its basically a whole video showing what a healthy vs unhealthy relationship looks like ♥️
Love that Megan has been in more if the videos lately. Your chemistry is lovely to watch.
Added Context: Anna's response may not be in revulsion to him but at the situation. Remember, she has been trained from birth to avoid bringing attention to herself, accepting flattery from men, allowing herself to be touched by a male or in close proximity to a male... there is so much more going on here than her response to Josh specifically as an individual.
She is reserved, defensive and fearful because that is the *conditioned response* she has been *taught* to have.
In the past when I was raised in a very similar environment I equated this to threading the needle between doing what is expected in front of cameras, public and family no matter what your "feelings" may be whether positive or negative.
I agree. I didn’t see it as her being fearful of Josh himself, but more of a reserved and naivety to men, as she’s been taught.
Same!! I’m on that part of the video and I’m so confused by their analysis. If they watched many videos, they should be able to tell Anna came from a household where she was taught to be reserved, fearful, shy, submissive!!!!!
That and he came in a public place with giant balloons. I was not raised like her and that alone would make me uncomfortable.
I agree, I don’t think at the time where he surprised her she was repulsed. I think she’s really shy. I’ve watched almost every episode of the show and I can tell you she loves him. Even if he’s not a great person, on the show it felt as if she was very much happy with him. She was raised and train to be a wife and a mom.
I was thinking the same thing. "Coyness" is a virtue young ladies are taught by fundies.
"I need to go wash my hands"
"I'm gonna go cut mine off"
I wish to remove my eyeballs so I guess we're all in this together
I’m pouring boiling water in my ears to get rid of the noise of their awkward giggles. 👊🏼
Y’all let’s just disintegrate and start from scratch, I’ll go first!
Im looking for pencils to shove in my ears
The giggling. I hate it
There’s no bleach strong enough to scrub the filth from this family. I’ve checked. Twice.
I have seen every episode. I’ve grown up in a similar religion, wearing skirts, not cutting hair… my mom thought it was a safe show to teach me “Godly principles “. So glad I’ve found my own path.
I read somewhere a while back she asked for help from her parents. Their answer was you're a married woman deal with it, or words to that affect. Just WOW!
Your wife is so damn strong... Not only watching it, but compiling it. Mad props to her.
Thank you!
I just adore the fact that Logan has such respect for his wife to invite her to be part of the show but gives her a voice on his platform and credit when it's due. That's true love! 💜✨🌌
That's true respect.
@@wendybutler1681 Absolutely!!! That was one of the first things I said. It's such a delight to see them both on together!
I love her pixie haircut too.
She looks self conscious… I hope she knows how beautiful and brilliant she is!
@@MedicAngel in other videos she doesn't. I think it's just a hard topic for her so it's showing in her body language. Her video baking with Logan in her channel is the most wholesome thing on the internet.
I had seen all this footage at the time. I had felt all the negative connotations you both mentioned even back then. However, the degree of cringe and outrage you both expressed still took me by surprise. As a survivor of CSA myself, I thought I knew how horrible and wrong it is, but the intensity of your reactions took me aback. Being in an abusive and controlling environment growing up, not being allowed to speak, speak up, or even have an opinion, let alone express it has HUGE ramifications on the entirety of your life. Even now, at 59, having been to countless therapists, etc. I am still, apparently, minimizing the importance of what happened to me. That is how pervasive abuse is. Some people believe that “all you have to do is not take it” or “she must be ok with it or she would have left”…. No, just no. It still boggles my mind that people (my parents included) never realized that not being allowed a voice with them and little outside contact would make it MUCH MUCH more difficult if not impossible to “not take” anything from anyone or even recognize that I was in a dangerous situation! When you’re taught every single day of your childhood, all day and at every interaction, that you don’t matter, that you have no right to speak, no right to ever be angry, that how dare you not jump & obey immediately when a word is uttered in your general direction, that you are always wrong no matter what because you are but a child… how the hell do you think it can ever be possible for me to say “No!” when insulted, abused or assaulted?
I am sorry for what happened to you. But what you said about not being able to voice and not being comfortable or able to say "no". I was in a similar devastation when I was 10 to 14. The man was a coach, a teacher. I was always taught, told to respect my elders and do what they say. And to question or to hesitate, was showing disrespect. This destroyed me, my view of my parents (I love them like crazy, but they really dropped the ball), kind of killed me a little. I am 47 and no one has ever expressed the pain of not being able to say no to an adult. Thank you for sharing. I appreciate your words, your telling the truth about why so many of us were unable to say no because of how we were raised.
Hi it’s just yuuuuuu
Josh’s face in the marriage proposal reflection three years later looks so smug, it’s like he thinking about how he’s lying to the camera and he’s gonna get away with it.
I appreciate his wife (Megan) giving context to how that culture is and what is seen as the norm there - I was raised in the same religion and I can tell you it’s extremely stifling and demeaning as a girl. We’re simultaneously expected to be extremely interested/worshipping men but at the same time before you’re married you have to act extremely pure or you’ll get called a “harlot” (and that’s the nice word for it). I fortunately got out of that cult a long time ago and I always feel for the children being continuously forced to be in this culture to this day. Women are taught to be responsible for everything, including keeping the men in line and “pure” even though most everyone I knew wasn’t holding themselves to that standard in reality. It’s a toxic place to grow up in and it allows men to get away with horrible things and it fosters a lot of victimizing poor young girls that didn’t do anything wrong except for the misfortune of being born into a family that practiced this religion.
I was also raised in the IBLP & I agree, thank you, Megan for sharing your personal experience..there are so many subtle nuances that ppl wouldn't understand about this messed up group...😒 This is a "normal" standard in the "Fundie world".
Yes same here. thank you so much Megan for your input. I’ve been watching different you tubers coverage. But watching this as hard as it was for both Megan and Logan to do, was so much more refreshing since I grew up that way. Seeing people literally bash Anna for doing what she was raised and taught to do, and she knows nothing else has been hard to swallow.
Idk how many times I’ve told people “if you didn’t grow up that way you will never fully understand what Anna is going thru and why she is still there.”
Glag you got out, God Bless.
This 1000%
Oh my god, so is his wife seen as responsible for all he's done??
I’m sorry to have asked the two of you to do this video. I didn’t realize it would hit so closely to home. Please take care of your mental health, but thank you for covering this. It’s disgusting how this has been able to be covered up for so long (or covered briefly but no real impact from it). Be well!
As a CSA survivor, I think it's really important to talk about these kinds of things so that, when it happens to people, they know they aren't alone or dirty. That there are people they can go to for help who won't blame them or think they did something to deserve it.
It's also important to teach people what to be aware of and how to keep your loved ones safe from predators.
@@afangats sorry, but what’s CSA
@@twilightstories9991 child sexual abuse
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I'm a nurse and have cared for a lot of patients that practiced different religions, but I have never witnessed anything like this! I think most religions are perfectly fine, and normally quite positive (unless it's something questionable like Scientology), but Josh is odd. I'd love to observe a psych evaluation from an actual psychiatrist, and see what he says!
As someone who works AND takes out the trash, I can say thank gawd I’m not married to someone like this. 🤦🏻♀️
I work and I take out the trash at least twice per day.
Listening to Anna is heartbreaking. Her brother actually left the fundie world and when it came out that Josh was cheating on her and had abused his sisters, Anna's brother actually released a statement saying that he would welcome her and their kids and support them so she could get away from him. I really wish she would have taken him up on that, but honestly I think she's terrified that if she leaves he will take the kids and then she wouldn't be able to protect them from him.
She is also terrified about leaving the "umbrella" of her husband's authority and protection. The Institute in Basic Life Principles teaches that if she does leave this "umbrella", she will be set upon by demons and witches, and she will wind up in Hell. I wish I was kidding... ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
What's the fun die world?
@@donna-marie1936 fundamentalist Christians.
@@maggiewinnike7309 ohhh ! Ok lol, always wondered what that meant , thanks do much
She's brainwashed. She sees no wrong in him. She has no desire to leave him.
I remember watching the show years ago, the original one, and my husband and I speaking about how creepy, weird, and offputting they all were. When I heard of joshes “alleged” crimes, I sadly will say I was not surprised. I’m very happy that you’re covering this.
Yeah, when it first came TV, I thought they were a cult or something.
I used to tell my husband that the shoe would drop would day and we would find out how they really are. They worked too hard to put on an image for the show and it was clear as day to me.
@@suzannax they pretty much are
@@g996 yeah the quiverfull movement they’re part of is pretty much a how to turn your family into a tiny cult guide.
@@suzannax the bible training institute or whatever and the family research council are both cults/pacs they were raised in. Basically men are the head of the family. Women and men have expected roles. Often very young because in this cult you aren't allowed any form of friendship or contact with even other members.
I cried when you imitated the hand-holding🤣😂. “I’m just gonna go cut mine off.” So dead. I’m so glad the entire world is getting to see how creepy and culty this man is.
That part actually made me really uncomfortable. The lady said she was uncomfortable verbally, he ignored it and kept going. The whole time he was holding her hands in 'jest' she was trying to pull away from him. He seems really unaware for a guy who is supposed to be an expert on body language.
@@malikastone are you talking about the dude who made this video because that was definitely a joke lmaooo
honestly i think the "hand sex" with their hands was almost R rated in bizarre way.
I about 🤢 lost it many times in this video, but when Josh started singing at their wedding… 🙅🏻♀️🤮 knowing what he’s done and is still doing, so incredibly sick and disturbing…
And it’s “the loyalty song”. I swear to god I laughed an “oh man the irony” laugh. Poor Anna. 💔 I hope she finds it within herself to leave this horrible belief system soon. For the sake of herself and her children
Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar should be jailed for child abuse and neglect. They failed to get Josh the professional help that he needed as a minor child. They failed to remove Josh from the home to prevent further incidents of SA. They failed to protect their beautiful daughters and to get the daughters necessary counseling to help them heal from the SA from their own brother. Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar failed all of their children and it is all of their children who will paying for their indifference for the rest of their lives.
Some of the groups and homeschool things they partner with actively victim blame.
I thought they put Josh and the girls in counseling? I honestly don't think pedophiles can be helped
@@angelbasham6631 They only got 'counseling' through that cult they belong to not from qualified, college educated and trained counselors.
@@angelbasham6631 he got a “stern talking to” and was sent off to build homes for 3 months, but I’ve never heard any mention of counseling, or frankly any support for the girls.
@@rachelhansen2417 you might be right I had read somewhere that girls had received counseling if not I hope they got help for themselves now they deserve it
It's even more disgusting when you realize the culture they're in will blame Anna for Josh's choices. Absolutely horrific.
the way it used to be
They did the same thing to Josh's ex, Kaeleigh Holt!
@@LisaKoffler that girl dodged a huge bullet.
Joanna, so did Josiah's ex, Marjorie Jackson!
EVEN THOUGH Josh was a perv before these girls entered the picture!
Where were Jim Bob's concerns for his daughters?! Evidently he didn't have any --- other than to make them stay silent until someone leaked the story and he couldn't..... I think we are now seeing these daughters breaking away from Jim Bob's "restrictions" regarding the way they were forced to dress and wear their hair, etc. It's a shame that some denominations lay down these weird rules and laws and blame them on the way a Christian should be when it has nothing to do with what the actual Word of God says. Yes, women are told to dress "modestly" but the definition of "modestly" has nothing to do with the way those girls were raised to dress.... I'm glad these girls are breaking away, dressing more like every day girls dress today while keeping their Christianity. Personally, I like the Bates Family.... they are far more real and relatable than the Duggars.... the Duggar kids always seemed to be hiding something and had a hard time being comfortable in front of the camera.... but I did like the new show with the Duggar kids and without Jim Bob and Michelle....
I honestly can't understand how his wife, knowing his charges, would continue to have children with him. Or, even allow him to be around ANY children.
I feel the same!! But! I can also look at it from the perspective of the way she was raised. From birth these women are taught to obey father/husband without question/thought. These women are brainwashed from birth. I feel like someone needs to get to Anna & require some type of therapy/intervention. At the very least. I worry about the future of thier children. I wonder if it's too late for some of them, as in, has he already harmed his children physically. I'm certain they've been emotionally harmed by their father. Anna needs intervention, not attacks. Anna needs education!!!!
Well, as the other person said above, women in that religion are "trained" to obey men no matter what. Divorce is worse than murder in their eyes. Divorce is literally not an option. Also, Josh's CP was found on his work computer, so he was telling Anna (and the rest of the world) that someone else used his laptop or hacked his computer and put it there.. 🙄 She had no choice but to believe him.
I'm so glad that he will be doing a minimum of 5 years in prison. I think that's EXACTLY what Anna and her children need... time away from this creepy man and hopefully she will realize she is much better off without him ♡ I only wish the best for Anna and her kids. They don't deserve what they're being put through. 😔
Severe brainwashing
Anna is a literal captive of her upbringing. A good new show would be Saving Duggars. These poor girls.
some of the girls have actually left and are speaking out against what they lived through
Well said. I agree
I hate when any person says “come here” or “come closer” when you are clearly, intentionally not interested in following or getting closer. As a woman who has been on the receiving end of this a couple of times, it only ever ignited the feeling of fear and being threatened. 🤮
Such a trigger phrase... that & "I'll treat you like a princess" 😫😫😫
Especially when we know he was more concerned with his appearance on tv than her feelings in a moment when he should have been entirely focused on her
A forceful “come here” and a “speak up” are my cringe comments that I absolute cannot stand.
She looks so threatened during his proposal that I'm honestly surprised no one came over to check on her.
I felt the same way watching the proposal when it first aired. My first thought was how uncomfortable she looked but at the time I thought it was just because she was shy and didn’t like the attention. Poor girl.
I grew up as 1 of 11 children in a very religious family with SA and all other kinds of crap. When the Duggers came on my oldest sister called and said "you have to see this, I know that there is SA going on behind the scenes. I know that the oldest son is abusing the younger sisters like our family, I know it!" That was when they first came out. Of course we were right. 😪
Wow, what signs did you see? How did you know?
I too am a survivor. I am so sorry that you are a victim too. When will the abuse stop being swept under the “Christian rug?”
When you are molested or raped at an early age, its easy to spot other victims and predators. I know from experience.
If you ask me, she looks like she was a victim at one time herself. Sigh.
@@kristenlynn3458 that makes sense. That's crazy. You must be able to discern their character.
I grew up in this culture. It's extremely traumatic and I would say it is characterized by enmeshment and possessiveness. I have no reservations in calling it a cult. What is happening and happened to Josh Duggar and his family is actually terrifyingly common.
If I could go back in time to talk to myself as a kid, I would say, "don't wait for help, risk everything, run, and never go back."
These people don't have boundaries, and they shame those who do. That's why she's so afraid of Josh and feels so powerless. Men are told that their job is to give, and the women's job is to receive.
Children are told to obey without question, and it is in that context that every congregant is instructed, "be ye like children." It's horrific, and that's why molestation and CSA is so common in this culture.
I left something very, very similar. Same dress codes, purity culture, isolation, spiritual abuse, etc. Best decision I've ever made.
You are amazing. That had to have taken so much strength.
Me too, Rose. Me too. I’m so sorry.
My husband is astonished when I recall some of the things we did in the churches I grew up attending. I'm not going to say what religion but there was a service where a burlap sack was brought out and the pastor raised it up in the air and told everyone to pray and then he commenced to dump out the burlap sack to reveal five snakes
He said that the snakes were representing something..... I was really young, I'm not for sure what they represented to him, but then everyone in the congregation had to like form a circle around him and the snakes- and it was just really weird.I think I was like 9 or 10 and I didn't get it. We weren't allowed to wear makeup, we weren't allowed to have perfume....it was very restrictive😶🤕🥴
I hope things are much better in your life and you are on your way to a happy, freedom filled future!
. . . or until “prison do us part.”
It’s 1st mid-December. Josh has been convicted. In his post-conviction mugshot, he’s smiling! Not a big, teeth-baring grin - but a small, closed mouth, yet ‘definitely a smile’ smile. I’m sure you’ve seen the photo by now. It’s bizarre and inappropriate to the moment. So what’s that about? He’s just been convicted on multiple CP charges before the public, he’ll be locked up for DECADES . . . and yet he’s smiling. I’d love to know what you think.
Right, bizarre, inappropriate and GUILTY! The picture that kept circulating during his trial showed a smug grin too and then the post-conviction mugshot is even worse. I wish they would stop showing it and I want so badly to smack that smugness off his face.
Thank you for going through this. We feel the pain with you, and for those who have gone through these kinds of relationships, talking about the toxicity is cathartic.
It’s a disgrace that sexual offences have a statute of limitations on them, especially considering what we know about how long it takes victims to understand and come to turn with what happened to them. In many states there are attempts to remove the statutes but they are opposed by powerful religious groups like the Catholic Church because of how much they stand to lose in civil suits.
Many can't talk about it easily, especially with how you are treated, & looked at after you do!
Especially with CM, so many people don't realise what has been done to them until they are adults
@@dominika2145 or if they do, no idea or skills in how to process & cope! And 1 of the hardest for many to talk to others, since it violates the most personal!
Yeah my ninth grade orchestra conductor is happy about that. I'm 63 now and it still makes me sick.
@@dominika2145 too often they do, & do say something & get in trouble for it! So they go silent! Had a gal who wasn't able to talk till adulthood because she couldn't get anyone to listen! She was adopted out after her Dad raped her for her first few years. She can still give explicit details that curl the hair & roil the guts! Adopted out to a dad the new bigger adopted brother, that then also sexual abused! The mom told her to be quiet when she said anything! She ended up gay & unable to receive love! Took alot of work to get her to realize she didn't ask or cause it! She was the victim, & she was so worth being treated excellent with love, kindness & nurturing! Had to literally hold her face in the mirror & yell it before she finally got it! She immediately decided she wasn't really gay, & started working on healing & forgiveness! Is doing quite well today! Though you are never the same!
I feel so deeply sorry for Anna. She was groomed her entire life to do nothing but marry, have babies, and obey her husband. And now she’s in this situation where she has no allies. Nobody is advocating for her and her children, she’s under Jim Bob’s thumb and he’s controlling the narrative. I hope she gets out.
I’m gonna sound like a bitch but I have no sympathy for her. Her brother broke free of the fundie life years and years ago and when all the shit hit the fan, he offered Anna and the kids a place with him and his full support and she chose Josh. While yes, I agree she was groomed, she still made her bed. She had a really good out and still chose Josh, knowing what he did to his sisters and sadly, could do to his own children and even sadder, he could easily convince his young kids that it was how things should be fundie wise so the kids would keep quiet…
@@Rae.Harper You are not being a bitch 🙂 You are correct. She is putting her relationship before her kids and we know how that normally turns out. We will be getting the interviews and book from at least one of their kids in around 15-20 years. Mark my words; sadly.
@@Rae.Harper I wonder if she would go on with her brother now that all the horrible "stuff" is being shown in the court case. When this is all said and done I would be shocked if she doesn't fall back on her loving, kind brother.
Cognitive dissonance. 13 years of manipulation and abuse from the only man she has ever loved besides her father who basically arranged this marriage for her. I'm not sure she believes yet that he is actually guilty. It may be YEARS before she can SEE. He will go to prison. His children will be safe. But it could take years for her to recover FROM him, if she ever does. Unfortunately this women really loves him and women tend to stay with their abusers. I've been there. That man OWNED me. Till he went to prison. Even then it still took 8 months for me to file for divorce. I STILL loved him. But I also KNEW that he was a monster. It gutted me. I was scared to go to court and here his voice over the phone from prison..... you can hate her. But you have not been in this women's position. She so deserved a good man and was instead handed over to an abusive narcissist who has spent 14 years abusing her. To her this is what love looks like. It's all she knows. I DO feel for her. That said, I hope he gets many, many years behind bars where he won't have access to children. And I HOPE his were never harmed.
For women like Anna leaving these situations is on another level of scary, because they have no continuing education and few to no job skills. Sure her brother has offered to take her and her seven children in, but then what? For a woman in a more normalized societal situation staying with a man like Josh I would have far less compassion, but being raised in a cult changes a lot. I recommend the book “The Witness Wore Red” by Rebecca Musser about her life growing up in the FLDS cult and what it took for her to leave and her healing process afterward. It gives a peek into what Anna might be thinking and feeling right now.
How's this "culture" not under investigation for civil rights violations? She's raised learning that she is not "allowed to object" to proposal?
You hooked me! I can't stand the shit show, Duggars....its a train wreck in slow motion, destroying lives along the way. I appreciate the way they dissected a person's actions, revealing hidden agendas, thoughts and motives. I shared this video with my two daughters, we all need to become aware on the level that Observe is!
Oh wow. I'm SO glad you're covering this. Somehow this man, his crimes, and his family have been able to escape a lot of criticism.
Edit: I've actually just looked up his wife, because I wanted to know how many kids they had after Ana's recent birth was discussed. She has had seven children with this man, four girls with this newest birth. She even walked into the courtroom today WITH HIM, hand-in-hand. He's been charged with having "media" involving children under the age of twelve. I'm sorry, but I'd be terrified for my children.
Edit 2: I am absolutely horrified at the end. And this is just small snippets. THANK YOU for covering this man and for promising to continue covering this family. They need to get exposed for this horrid behavior.
Agreed! It really irritates the hell out of me mostly because I was attacked by a male cousin of mine who was younger than me and I'm just now coming clean to my parents about what happened but it happened when I was 18 and he was 16 and so we've separated from him and my aunt and uncle as much as possible and I also had to tell my psychiatrist because I was almost attacked by a coworker 2 weeks earlier and I was also pressured into well you know by my bf so my parents are also aware of all of that as well and my psychiatrist sent me to a survivor helpline to talk face to face even though I didn't want to press charges on anybody I just want to forget about it I'm 21 now but I also have severe ptsd from all of it and I'm still going through things mentally fighting with myself because even though my cousin was younger he was still able to over power me I also have recently been diagnosed with epilepsy and about to have another surgery for my severe case of endometriosis and it's a lot so yeah
And rightly so, as would I.
I think we can agree that she has been groomed. He's had all these years with her and she was so young when they got married.
@@amazingwhale9338 Oh, absolutely. Watching this as it goes - it's clear she was terrified. Over time that gaslighting apparently worked. But her priority should have been the safety of her children, not her husband. What I know about how they hunt these predators down (family in law enforcement), it takes a certain level of participation to obtain just HOW MUCH media he had. She's vile for staying with him and endangering her children at this point.
Her sect of Christianity demands she remain loyal to her husband no matter what. She and those children need to be taken far, far away from him and his whole family.
As a Christian it always breaks my heart when a fellow "christian" does something like this. It's the complete opposite from what God wants us to be and what he did to his sisters is just WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.
It’s a huge problem in Christian households and churches. It’s an crisis actually. Show me a church and I’ll show you where children are being abused.
Same... it makes the more moral people like us that are Christians look bad, because that bad behavior or people who say they are Christians is all others see, not the care and kindness.
I can't imagine my children's well being & safety is lower than my number 1 priority of being obedient & utterly devoted to my continually cheating, sexist, controlling, CM husband. This says so much about her level of standards & expectations of someone who's meant to love her & how much she loves & values her children & herself.
I adore your wife, Megan! She’s beautiful and you two seem to genuinely be happy around each other. I love this dynamic! Been subscribed for awhile now and will keep happily awaiting new vids from you! Hope to see more of Megan!
They are the cutest couple!!! I'm obsessed with theit channel.
The smugness on Josh’s face is just disgusting. 🤢 He has gotten away with so much over the years. I think Josh has done more misdeeds than we will ever know about.
While I agree Josh has gotten away with a lot and I totally believe men who cheat should be castrated, I can’t help but wonder what people think should have been done to him at 14. Yes what he did at 14 was wrong but if that was your son would you have sent him to prison? Maybe he needed more counseling but he confessed and repented so his parents believed him. Hindsight is always 20/20.
@@joycewright5386 you think men that "cheat should be castrated"?? WTF?? Maybe if they raped an infant, but cheating?? You should be in prison too.
I can only imagine what we don’t know about. I’m sure what is public is only the tip of the iceberg. What a terrible thought …
@@nunyabisniss1179 hyperbole. Look it up.
I hope he makes some REALLY good friends in prison if you know what I mean see how he feels.
Her parents literally sold her to the Duggars and Josh. How could he not notice or be aware of her being uncomfortable? He doesn’t care. This is all about him and his ego. No romance whatsoever. These girls are raised not to have an opinion or say about anything. They are also not brought up to be independent self sufficient. He in fact is displaying bullying behavior over her. He keeps pushing himself over on her. He has a very dark dominating personality. He speaks from both sides of his face. She didn’t stand a chance
I have always found the parents, and Josh, to be extremely offputting. I recently finished my Master's degree in Psychology-Applied Behavioral Analysis, so I can see specific red flags that others wouldn't. However, most people will feel something is off, even if they don't know the reasons behind the gut instinct. Please, always follow your gut! If you feel something is off, it probably is.
I agree. That gut feeling will never be wrong
Anyone that is saccharine sweet puts me on guard, kinda comes across as fake, forced and robotic (Stepford Wives). I always wonder what's going on underneath the social mask they're wearing.
I totally agree with you two 100%! Right now as I watch, there’s 7 minutes left and I was wondering if either of you noticed that at the wedding the only “guests” were the wedding party and immediate family.
Okay, I’ll admit it, when I left my suggestion to cover this I didn’t expect you actually would. My shock turned to horror at seeing how far down the rabbit hole went, the terrors that awaited, and how much my wife related to Megan and Anna. I’m so sorry if it was my suggestion alone that sent you down this path, but I also want to thank you for giving a voice and validation to all those who have experienced this. I’m looking forward (with mild trepidation) to your future videos, and thank you again.
He did a poll listing a few topics to choose from. Josh Duggar won with over half of the votes. So don’t worry, this isn’t on you!
Can't believe Josh had the privilege to name his daughter one of his favorite sites
I was staggered when they actually DID, we were making that joke before the births of his last two kids
I really have no context of this show, may I ask what this situation is?
@@samm.2507 - Its a LONG story
The absolute audacity of that still makes me cringe.
@@samm.2507 they named their most recent kid Madison, and the website he was caught cheating on was Ashley Madison. Fun stuff.
i havent even gotten past the intro and im already commenting thank you so much for the TW and specifying it helps me a lot and i will be back another time when im feeling up to watching :)))))
I grew up in a Southern Baptist church and we did nothing like this. There was no manipulating of the youth group or demoralizing of women. This is NOT the normal for Baptists that are true believers of the word and not under the legaistic aspect of "RELIGION.". I am still a Christian and I do belive in Jesus CHRIST as my Lord, but I attend a non denominational church now. Pleat don't assume that all Southern Baptists are like this because they are not. It's possible for any "RELIGION" to get it wrong. Thanks for the video.🌸
Anyone who interested in this case, I recommend looking up a podcats called "I pray that you put this journal away". Five episodes long, it's hosted by a man who grew up alongside the Duggars and who was friends with Josh for a time, and his wife who also grew up in that church.
As well as discussing Josh, he talks about his difficulties growing up with undiagnosed autism, especially within a church that didn't believe in psychiatry, and they both talk about how the problem in the church is much bigger than Josh.
It's really interesting and they're a funny and empathetic pair who are very suited to podcasting.
I just subbed to that podcast and look forward to listening to it. Thanks for the recommendation!
Is this podcast on RUclips??
@@lanalyamin1199 ruclips.net/channel/UC8WxY0ZaULwItr3YXqxTAWQ
Just looked it up and subbed-thank you so much for the suggestion! ❤️
Who has undiagnosed autism?
I’ve watched the show. Josh always seemed creepy to me. He treats Anna like a child or a doll or something. When Anna was pregnant, a producer asked her how she was doing and JOSH answered saying she was doing a really good job growing his baby for him. (Paraphrasing). He spoke of her like a kindergartner doing a good job learning her letters at school, not like a man who loved and respected his pregnant wife.
WOW thats repulsive just to read.
@@NikkiFCO It bothered me SO much. He didn’t literally say that, to be fair. It’s his attitude and tone as he said she’s doing good…not “she’s feeling well” or “she’s healthy and beautiful” and why is HE answering for her? Let her speak!
Women are possessions to him. Objects. Like a car. He doesn't really love her. He loves HAVING her. Its all about him. He's a narcissist.
@@Andreamom001 it was because a man had inquired about her well-being. Josh wasn’t going to allow that. He comes off as domineering, possessive and jealous. Letting that man know if you want to know anything about my wife you ask me.
He’s disgusting
Thank you for sharing. I can see how hard this is for you two. I feel your pain and i appreciate you both
Thank you for finally helping me understand what that "gut feeling" actually is. It's always confused me.
A couple of other videos really stand out to me. One is when they are at a carnival and Josh makes Anna get on a ferris wheel even though she is terrified of heights. She is leaning on him scared to death, telling him she feels like throwing up, and he is LAUGHING and saying "oh look how high up we are!" He's a psychopath.
The other is after the cheating scandal came out. She had to talk about it on the show, and she was saying how betrayed she felt but that it was important not to be angry because it would "turn a mess into a disaster". She was absolutely CRUSHED and hurt
I remember that episode. He was awful to her. I cried because I saw the fear in her eyes and he LAUGHED. Also....him buying her those hideous shirts for any kind of holiday. He did it on purpose. To show her his patriarchy and dominance. "You will love the $3 shirt I bought you because it is from me!"
He even joked about throwing baby Mackinzie out of the ferris wheel!
The oddest part about the whole thing was that afterwards she told him that this ferris wheel ride was fun. Why would she say that?
@@someonesomewhere6123 because she thought that’s what he wanted to hear 😞
@@someonesomewhere6123 I agree his manipulation started right away.
This poor girl has been through so much with him
I just feel so sad and scared for his children who he undoubtedly had unfiltered access to before his arrest. How he was allowed to behave this way for so long is astounding
Because he thinks he is God, just like his daddy thinks he is God. They both have contempt for everyone else.
In their cult they always wear dresses, but his daughter started wearing pants.
He still has access to them! The terms of his bond say he has unlimited access to his kids as long as his wife is there. 😳
The same person that's been brainwashed her entire life and while awaiting the trial she constantly stayed with him despite being in her 3rd trimester with their 7th kid. Women are conditioned to be "joyfully available" to their husband's at all times. It was in one of Michelle's books.
His bond conditions didn't allow him to stay at their own "house" (part of a warehouse converted to live in) because it's on his parents property and there's too many minors there. A couple affiliated with their church volunteered for him to live with them. Since they volunteered, their daughter suddenly started "courting" Anna's younger brother and they got married recently.
@@lindseyp4451 That’s nuts! Whole new meaning to arranged marriage...
It’s not surprising at all to me that he got away with it as long. Just look how Hollywood has always protected these kind of people. They finally had to admit the whole Weinstein scandal but they still keep quiet on child abuse. When Corey Feldman and Corey Haim came out and said the number one problem in Hollywood is pedos the media did everything discredit them. Look how long they protected Epstein. The FBI has thousands of videos of Epstein victims with Epstein clients and not one arrest except for his girlfriend. We just found out the CIA protected about 11 of their agents involved in sexual child abuse. I’m more shocked they actually might do something about it.
Can you include an analysis of the clips where Anna is talking about forgiving Josh after the cheating scandal? I think that would be interesting
This case doesn't hit close tomorrow for me, it hits home too well, so I admire just how restraint the two of you are. I have to take breaks watching the videos on this case and the strength you two have to sit down and go though it as impartially as you do is amazing.
I could listen to you guys roast the Duggars all day. Thank you for not holding back on these awful people.
It’s actually Fight/Flight/Freeze/*Fawn.*
The fawn response describes (often unconscious) behavior that aims to please, appease, and pacify the threat in an effort to keep yourself safe from further harm.
Poor Anna seems to be in Fawn mode. It’s a survival response to being trapped in a deplorable situation… and omg (!) she also has 7 young children with this psychopath! 😔
Ooh I was curious about that behavior! She certainly has been fawning ever since we’ve met her
Wow thank you for this explanation never heard of this! Explains so much
I've found myself in fawn mode before. When my mother's ex-boyfriend touched me I almost immediately got very flattering, saying whatever I thought might get him to back off and let me out of the house. I felt so disgusted by myself afterwards, but he was so much bigger than me
@@HaleyJo1992 That’s awful! So sorry to hear you had to endure that! 🥺😔
Thank you for sharing though! You’re not alone and you (maybe subconsciously) used this strategy as a survival mechanism.
Something to be proud of, not ashamed of, even if it’s very difficult to see it that way.
It was your way of protecting yourself and an incredibly smart thing to do, to be able to read and assess the situation, and this awful man, and know how to act under incredible stress to keep yourself safe! I would absolutely act the same way too!
Thanks again for sharing and wishing you the best! ❤️
I have a video on my channel about fawning. It’s my go to response to trauma. Ive been unlearning this behavior through therapy. It’s terribly sad to see in others
She sounds/looks like she's going through the five stages of grief during that whole proposal.
Megan is so relatable to me. I love her reactions and your chemistry together. I learn so much from your observations. Thank you.
Another thing: how could any loving parent do this to their child? She’s visibly uncomfortable and terrified. So sad.
Because they do not love their children. I’m court the family friend Josh told what he did to his sisters, one sister ran to her parents in fear they did nothing. He was penetrating minors and the neighbor told them the neighbor said they didn’t want to hear it.
At the very least, have her dress up.
@@maureenlaneski2802 Um, yeah. Jim Bob lectured the girls on modesty, saying they are tempting to seduce males. After it came out what Pedo-boy was doing to little girls. 🤦🏼♀️🤢
I don’t think they do love their children. I think they are so indoctrinated into the quiverfull movement that they only see their children as tools of god. I’m sure if they felt that they had to kill their child to please god(i.e. Abraham and Isaac) they wouldnt second guess it.
Her parents and her also KNEW what Josh did before they let them start courting. So very sad
The moment when Anna realizes that her husband has embarrassed her multiple times for millions to see, hurt multiple children, and now (while having a husband) will still have to take out the trash.
So happy all this darkness is coming to light and their family is being shown for what it is.
I looove, having a person there who is not a body language specialist to give her opinion too, because it really shows how a regular person reacts as opposed to someone with a trained eye. It would be great if u could test out other guests as well. Im lovint this new format! Specially the back and forth of comments and stuff, its really cool to have 2 perspectives.
1. Why is there a statute of limitations on child SA, on any SA!?
2.Even more frustrating than Josh not being able to tell how uncomfortable she is, is the fact HER PARENTS! They have to know her enough to know on some level she is not into this and they're ignoring all the signs... Grrr 😖
3. The best line... " I think Josh thinks he is better than most people, when in fact, he is an idiot " such a simple, but perfect statement.
Her parents are staunch members of the same misogynistic cult as the Duggars. I’ve no doubt the extent of their advice to Anna is to “stay sweet” and “be joyfully available.”
Jim Bob and Josh told Anna and her family about his past, off camera. So she knew what he had done.
@@meeeka they have been saying a watered down version of what happened. So while yea they told them he “touched his sisters a couple of times over their clothes while they were sleeping” she didn’t know the full extent of it. Even Joy Anna didn’t know the extent of her own abuse until this trial. That is why she and Austin are attending the trial now because they heard from Bobyie Holt’s testimony how severe and extreme her abuse was.
not in all states in PA it's so long from when you remember
Statutes of limitations on sexual abuse are a human rights violation in my opinion.
“I’m gonna go wash my hands”
“I’m going to go cut mine off “
Between the well timed zoom ins, gag worthy sound effects and both of your facial expressions, tears are literally rolling down my face while I laugh several octaves above my normal speaking range 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m soo happpyyyy 🤣🤣🤣
Youre happy about this?
@@realone7488 well it was a joke
This was great!!! I love how you guys do this
He keeps going "OHHH." 😂😂 Everyone is uncomfortable. Dad's like "praise the Lord." And she's like "God help me." 😂😭☠️
I really appreciate the way you strongly react to Josh’s abusive/controlling behavior & attitude. It helps me to hear that the behaviors/dynamics demonstrated in the video (ones that I have personally experienced) are wrong/disrespectful/immoral/reprehensible. Thank you.
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Just one side note for anna.
I got divorced from my ex, i was heartbroken and talking to a ( similarly religious)friend. He had cheated on me. Her response was " you can't blame it all on him. You are just as much at fault. You have to really work at a marriage and keep his attention." And "If he strayed it because you didn't love him enough or he didn't feel loved enough".I later found out my friends husband cheated on her. She said it gave her the kick in the butt to start wearing full face makeup everday (she had a baby 2 months prior to this). Some religious groups absolutely manipulate these girls into thinking that "his" actions are her fault. And i really wonder if thats why shes trying so hard to "fix him". Because if this family fails, everyone will think its her fault.
Just so u know That blaming the wife for the husband's behavior is not in the bible!!!!
How is it that these men are supposed to be the spiritual leaders, and yet are so weak???
@@valeriemoran842 They are fakes!!!¡!
The Duggars' cult literally has booklets stating that cheating is because the wife isn't being 'joyfully available' and that if you're a woman and someone sexually assaults you, you have to "forgive them and ask yourself how you tempted them"
Yes, this is it 100%.
Around the time Josh and Anna met, her parents were allegedly trying to get TLC to make a show focusing on them and their friends, like the Duggar shows, and thought the relationship of Josh and Anna would be the perfect crossover/bridge. It never materialized, but the rumor was they tried for quite awhile, especially after the marriage. Considering what Josh has been convicted of, it really gave me pause to see Anna's younger sisters along on the outings with them. Also, I can remember some of his younger sister's he admitted to molesting being sent as "chaperones" on these "courtship" outings. Imagine being someone's victim and then being made to tag along on outings where looks at his young future wife like hamburger he wants to lick the whole time. Further, at the point at which JimBob is giving the "life talk" to Josh after we know he was already experienced forcing himself on his sisters and collecting illicit p**n, I wanted to vomit out my eyes.
This is so hard to watch.. 😢 I grew up in a community like this. I’m now divorced and living on my own, but I was very much like Ana growing up. Listening to you describe Ana’s reaction to a lot of this is like your describing me when I was 18/20. I got married at 22 basically because I felt like I had to based on my “faith”. Everything you’re saying is spot on.