Jim Bob Duggar's Body Language Reveals Manipulation, Control, and Possibly More (Abridged Version)
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Jim Bob Duggar, father of convicted CP / CSAM criminal Joshua Duggar, displays patterns similar to that of his sons. Perhaps nonverbal communication and body language can help clarify what is going on behind the curtains of the Duggar cult.
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Thankful I was able to watch in Canada
Op
I wondered what happened to this video.
Get with schrodinger's cat on fighting copyright. This clearly is fair use.
Thank gosh for need VPN lol
@@HandbagDiva Yes, I'm in Latin America, so often can only view in the US, aside from the terrrible topic, this is a nice change.
When Jessa says "I'm not really a touchy Feely person" it broke my heart because you know why she's not.
I remember watching the Kelly interview and Jill crying and Jessa not patting Jill's shoulder or holding her hand and thought it was so strange.
😢😢
@@loribuettner2930 Hate to say it, but just don’t think Jessa is very sympathetic to peoples needs!! Not even to her siblings!! May be somewhat like JimBob!!?? But I sure hope she’s NOT!!!
My 14 year old has never been abused, and isn't very touchy feely, she never really has been. It's just not who she is. The SA in this case definitely doesn't help, but she could just not be very touchy feely.
YES. That's exactly what I thought, too. So sad for her.
Josh: *Molests multiple children for years*
Parents: “We will always love Josh.”
Jill: *Asks to be paid for the show bearing her name*
Parents: “You are dead to us.”
Yes! Their outright favoritism is disgusting. I believe a while back she admitted that the interview she did with Jessa about their abuse, they made her do it and told her what to say. Which is horrible because both girls laugh it off and say he was just curious and it wasn't a big deal. They made their daughters say that to the public to protect themselves and their son. She made the right call by distancing herself from them. All the girls that distanced themselves did the right thing i feel bad that they had to go through that.
@@amandacarbajal8590 it's not favouritism unfortunately it's the cult they are in, men are important but women aren't, jim bob would be thinking how dare she ask to get paid.
@@lenamcguire2659 i know that's what their cult believes but it is a form of favoritism. As you said they believe the males are important and the females aren't they are taught to favor the male children over the female ones.
Good Point
Exactly this!
Jim Bob: *considers holding hands before marriage is too risky*
Also Jim Bob: *thinks touching a young girl on the breast multiple times is a-okay*
I think he truly sees his daughters as property and his sons as investments. The boys can do no wrong, and if they do then it’s clearly the fault of someone else. And if something is done to the girls, it’s their fault for being tempting. So the Josh situation was proof of that double standard. In Jim Bob’s world, there is no question that the boys come first.
@@justme1892 that’s precisely what the cult they are deeply involved in, believes. Girls are at fault when the boys/men “sin”. It’s because the girls did something to cause the boy to fall. Men are not held accountable for anything. There is also this purity culture aspect in the cult. So much emphasis put on premarital non touching that the unmarried are so tempted and made to feel guilty, to the point that they are told that God is angry with them if they “break the rules”. I almost think it’s treated as if there’s an unforgivable aspect to it. I see that S setting them up to fail.
THEN you see JB humping his wife at mini golf. The women are expected to be “joyfully available” ANY time the man snaps his fingers. Really and truly, women are treated like objects.
His hypocrisy kills me
@@mastiffmom2592 I suppose we should be grateful they don't do "honor killings." Their attitude toward their daughters is so twisted.
No harm done apparently as they were asleep so didn’t know it was happening 🤬🤦🏼♀️ These people should not be allowed to have children
My son (from age 13-15) molested a young girl in our circle. As soon as I was told, I reported him to the child services in our area. He was placed in REAL therapy, placed in his dad's home, safeguarded so he couldn't do it again. When it was reported to us that he did it again at age 18, we reported him to child services, he was arrested. I cooperated with the police and with the prosecution and the defense. I keep in touch with him in prison but let him know that I definitely do not approve of his actions. He has shown true remorse and cooperates in his counseling and the sex offender program, as well as goes to church services.
I commend you on doing the right but difficult thing. I'm glad your Son is on a better path in his journey.
☝️ 🙌🏻👏🏻 real parenting. JimBob and Michelle don’t seem to understand the need to hold your kids accountable (real accountability not the BS “disciplining” they claim that Josh had) and have firm boundaries . You can love and support your child without enabling them and making excuses for their behaviors or sweeping their wrong doing under the table.
@@Les-g Yes, and even worse is that the girls are taught that they are accountable for the boys/men while the boys/men are not.
You’re a wonderful parent! You demonstrated how to do the right thing!
If my Son ever did that he would be dead to me.He would not have contact with me or hear from me in anyway shape or form again
I think Jim Bob should be arrested for covering up Josh’s crimes and lying under oath.
I think Jim Bob should be arrested for a lot of things. I don’t think he deserves to ever see the outside of a jail cell again.
Same with Michelle.
@@irishgurl3078 Exactly! She was in on everything too. I don’t know how they can live with themselves. Thanks for your reply!
You two are so respectful and cute together! It makes me smile while I agree with you. Appreciate your collaborative insight.
@@simplyminded1 🙂
He also keeps trying to minimize it. "They were sleeping." "They didn't know." "It was over the clothes." "It was 12-13 years ago." "He was a minor." It's really gross.
i was molested in my sleep and when i found out, it was the most devastating thing that made sleep feel incredibly unsafe. the way he minimizes the actual horror of it is one of the worst parts, and i feel awful for all those girls trapped in that family.
Exactly. No excuse for his behavior
@Rainshadow & Co. this is why I’m terrified to let my kids do sleep overs. I’d rather be protective
Especially since he tries to say trans women are predators despite ZERO evidence in the same breathe. It's utterly infuriating. 😤😡🤬
Amazing mom! I have done the same thing here, bodily autonomy is SACRED in our secular Abrahamic doctrine--free home. My daughter asserts her boundaries and doesn’t tolerate any unwanted touching. No forced hugging or kissing here either. My disgusting step mother likes to say kids that don’t have mouth herpes like she does must have been ugly babies that weren’t kissed. So cringey. Boomer attitudes toward kids can be very very very SICK!!!
Trigger Warning ⚠️
44:52 This is EXACTLY what happened to me. I had to demonstrate on a doll what my stepdad did to me in front of my mother and her sister (my cool aunt)
As soon as they saw that there wasn't any penetration they both sighed with relief. It was a very confusing and scary time for my 10 year old mind. All I can remember is being slapped across the face the next morning as I was forced to sit across from him meanwhile he gave me dirty looks and called me a pig. I reacted by telling him he was the pig and my mother slapped my childhood out of me. Yes, my own mother. I fell asleep with my headphones on and woke up to you disgusted and angry at around the 43:00 minute mark. I've never heard you this way and it broke my heart to hear a complete stranger say the words I only dream my mother would have said. Instead she chose Jim Bobs method going so far as to lie to police that I was "just having a bad dream"
I'll never know what it's like to have a mother or father. They both failed miserably. I completely cut ties from my entire family when I became a mother and the fog started to clear. I'm the only one out of five siblings who told on him and I'm the only one who chose to not sweep things under the rug and have my children around people who support predators and enablers. Therapy is a part of my life and for that I am grateful. It's amazing how much a "little touch over the clothes" can affect and intertwine into the relationships you develop as an adult. Sometimes I find myself thinking about the what ifs and yes sometimes when I hear or see a woman out with her mother I wonder what that feels like. But one thing I will never have to wonder is if I'm a good mother. The only thing my mother ever taught me was to not be anything like her. It's kind of twisted but it's true. I'm a protector and I build and create. I'm a fighter and have found my voice. Ten year old me will always be there but I vow to keep her safe because that is what love is to me💞
I’m sorry that you had to go through such an awful ordeal. Your story brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for sharing.
We love you. You're a true super hero and the true definition of a human being. May God Bless you and your real family/friends forever. Thank you for sharing.
Hugs
as someone with a not-great mother, it really warms my heart to see a mom who faced abuse/neglect as a child deciding to break that cycle and do good by their own children. i wish i had a mom like that. thank you for doing that for your children. you are so so strong. sending you all the love
I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
As a victim of SA… if I hear one more person say he was just a kid I’m gonna blow. It shouldn’t matter if they were just a kid or in their teens. If they are old enough to make conscious decisions that doesn’t apply. They did what they did and it can’t be justified or minimized. My heart broke for the kids when he said it wasn’t as bad as R*.
Age should never be an excuse for anything. A 1 year old might do something stupid simply due to lack of experience, but at 3 they're able to rationalise in their own way because no action is unconscious. A 6 year old is an entirely independent individual with their own opinions, views, conscious actions and sense of morality. At 4 years of age I was righteously stubborn and already "fighting" for ethics (which is why I went to study that) so a teen simply must not be excused for their abhorrent, vile, unethical behaviour. I've had someone try to justify SA just because "he was a child back then and hating him now, especially since he's changed so much, is ruining his life." Excuse me but when did we skip over the fact that he's the one who's ruined the life of his victim while any sort of consequences for his actions are entirely his fault.
So yeah, you're 100% correct, I'm so sorry you had to go through such a traumatic experience
When my daughter was 4/5, she and another girl in our "village" were playing "doctor" with some boys, aged 4/5 and 7. When she told me, I told the 7 year old he WOULD be going to jail as the leader and the other boys as well; explained to them the concepts of assault, simple, sexual and what accomplice meant. (This is NOT in the US, as we are expats, but I'm legally trained and licensed (at the time) so I knew the local laws then.)
I have never seen children turn bright white then almost blue and purple from fear, so fast. The parents were so ready to sue me because it was just innocent "exploration" and "you Americans!"
Once I explained that it wasn't nice, not good, you don't want to be touched, etc etc, the boys got it. And, as far as I know, those boys, who have grown up to be lovely young men, never made THAT mistake.
If a mother and father can't take on the entire world to defend their kids and teach them right and wrong, then they don't deserve those children.
@@meeeka A 14 year old digitally penetrating a five year old is LEAGUES AWAY from 5-7 year olds looking at each other's bodies. The 5-7 year olds need to be gently corrected. The 14 year old...needs serious, immediate professional help and investigation.
The question I have is Why would a child have those notions? What told Josh it was okay to use female presenting people as his plaything, and since they have very outdated ideas of a woman's worth and duties (hard eye roll here) and indifference to their own children being SE**** Mo****** it's not a stretch to wonder if he was abused. this in no way excuses his actions. But it certainly makes you wonder what someone did to or in front of him.
@@meeeka I can't believe you would tell a 7 year old he would go to jail! That is completely inappropriate and harmful, not to mention having a talk about sexual propriety with little children without their parents permission and presence!! That was incredibly harmful. Children need to be told about boundaries in safe, non-judgemental but firm conditions, not the way you did it! You overstepped your bounds as an adult. Your actions could have had the opposite effect from what you intended. It sounds like this was a long time ago, but I hope those boys did become decent healthy adults. No one should do what you did.
For people who don’t allow handholding…minimize SA of their daughters from their oldest son is incredibly scary
Absolutely!
Exactly seeing Jim Bob talking to Ben about not holding Jessa's hand is disturbing now that we know he allowed Josh to do worse to her. She was one of the two that came forward as a victim.
Yeah, it's not really about purity, it's about control (IMHO)
It's revoltingly ironic.
@@amandacarbajal8590 To hear that many of their church friends had similar situations in their families, was terrifying. It's like an epidemic of abuse. The red flags were flying all over the place. For that statement alone, their entire community needs to be investigated.
I think its important to note also that Jessa came forward as one of the sisters that Josh m*lested, so hearing her speak about not being a physically affectionate person makes complete sense. Jim Bob and Michelle have no regards for her when being physically affectionate in front of them and joking that "this is what you have to look forward to" KNOWING DAMN WELL that Jessa experienced something absolutely terrible as a child that they downplayed.
This is sickening on another level. I want to throw up just looking at him 🤢
I agree completely! I have never liked Jim Bob! He gives me the creeps!!🥺🥺
And the way that Michelle goes along with everything he says, it’s also disgusting!!
He is simply a regular man, and She a woman. The way they live their lives, and treat their children is disgusting!!
They don’t know who is the one True GOD really is!!
They should be deeply ashamed!! 😔😢
It was equally offensive and deceptive when Jim Bob gave Josh the "birds and bees talk" before he got married. He knew, and Josh knew that he knew, he was far from innocent. They both thought it was a joke too, and smirked and laughed all the way through. And they wanted viewers to think he was pure.
M & JB are horribly manipulative people. 2-faced hypocrites.
@@tibbs4000 That's the first thing that came to my mind was his talk with his father which was a joke now that we know everything that little bastard did to his sisters and others
"We wanted to keep him safe."
He really slipped that in there. Keep the predator safe, not his victims. Good parenting.
I think Jill was just doing whatever it took to get her stupid dad to shut up so she could get married and get the hell out of there. I used to think it was weird how she sprinted away from the alter with Derrick but I get it now. So telling!
As a woman, I would like to say thank you for your reactions and anger/upset towards this man. It's so nice and refreshing to see a man fully empathize and support women!
I really hate how we're now thanking men for basic decency. That's not a dig on you, just a sign of the absolute filth we're forced to live in.
I agree with both of you, we’re having what we thought were our rights being snatched by a particular type of man too. Sadly, some women & men agree with them, being ‘kind’ is helping them steal our rights 🤷🏼♀️
Joshua Duggar has been found guilty on both accounts. What do you think about Jim Bob's involvement?
Jimmy Robert lied under oath. There should be consequences.
He lied under oath, he NEVER protected his CHILDREN from his "golden child" tried to cover it up for YEARS, etc etc etc. Him and Michelle need to be held accountable as well! They put all of their kids in danger for their golden child.
JB's a seriously disgusting representation of a human being. His loss of memory of Josh's past behavior victimized his daughters again. It's horrific that he continues to protect Josh but yet he has never protected his daughters. He's as sick as his son! He needs to be in a cell as well.
I think there should be some accountability for both Rim Job and Shelly for covering up Josh's early SA of his sisters as well as him blatantly lying on the stand last week.
@@AmandaPaige71 rim job has me DYING!!!
Their "safeguards" were locking the girls IN THEIR ROOM to protect them from the predator that was allowed to roam around the house unencumbered. So they also talked to the girls about what they need to do to prevent it from happening again.
They sent Josh to another child predator to dig holes.
These people are awful
Yet in the interview, Michelle says the older boys aren’t allowed to have little ones in their lap and there’s a clip. I don’t know where is where it’s Josie sitting in joshes lap it’s like they’re so hypocritical. It’s not even funny.
You would think once they started hearing the things that Bill Gothard was doing that they would try and step away but they got they were sold and it deep and Jim Bob loved the power that he was given. It’s just sick all that he’s done that he needs to go to jail for.
I'm a S/A survivor. One of the hardest things was telling my mom about it. She cried with me and held me, felt guilty for not being able to protect me as if she had any blame at all. I can't even imagine going through something like your parents not only not caring about you being traumatized for life, but center the entire situation on how it's gonna make them look. That's beyond vile and I feel so bad for their daughters.
Narcissists are EGOISTS. 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
My mum reacted the same as yours, and it wasn’t until just now seeing how this situation has been handled that I realized how terribly lucky I am to have her.
I wish my mother was like that she yelled at me and told me im.to.blame
@@teddieblue6723 I'm sorry you had to go through that. It was not your fault.
I find it kind of funny because Jim bob and Michelle made a statement about the documentary that came out shiny happy people, and they said you know somethings need to be taken care of in private I’m like says the people that plastered their whole family in their lives on TV
I'm positive that Jim Bob and his friends introduced Josh Duggar to this obscene behavior. The police officer friend Jim Bob called to "scare Josh straight" was later arrested for possessing and distributing cp. They're all awful people.
Very true. Their whole way of supporting creepy men in their cult is horrible.
I'm thinking that Josh was turned on to CP by the "mentor" he was put into care with.
@@miscellaniac3367 almost as some kind of grim "damage limitation", perhaps. *shudders*
I wish a channel would do a show in research back into all of them. Starting with Jim Bob and his “buddies” and church members are get a good background check in depth! I’d watch that in a heart beat
@@miscellaniac3367 🤔😳
When Megan said "the vibes are off" I felt that. Jim Bob's vibes are rancid, he gives me the unholiest creeps and I chose the word carefully.
Exactly. JB gives off creepy and predatory vibes. He stares a lot when addressing the cameraman and it makes one wonder if it's the predatory stare often regarded as typical of psychopaths.
He seems very much a predator himself....I'm so grossed out and have chills up and down my spine!
Rancid, that is so perfect
He's not just defending his son. he's trying to paint him as the victim, too. After all his "it was over clothes, just a few seconds," etc. He mentions "He would come to us crying"
That's [as well as everything else] so disgusting.
Josh probably only cried for effect after he was caught. I think one of the girls told the parents. I don't believe he "confessed" at all.
Yes, it was Jill who told the parents about Josh touching the youngest victim. Also, when Josh touched her, she woke up and punched him! Goes to show that she has such a strong spirit. Thanks to therapy and having a husband who cares for her as a human being, she is doing well. She has two sons and one on the way. She is actually spacing out her kids unlike what the women in the cult she left have to endure - back to back pregnancies. Her parents disowning her was nothing less than a favor to her, in the long run. Now that her husband has passed the bar, he will have a good job that supports them all comfortably. Living well is the best revenge! ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
I saw somewhere where they said supposedly one of them I think they said it was Jill tried to hit him to get him off Michelle and Jim Bob
Michael I wonder according to the iblp’s what they would say is the reason Josh inappropriately touched his siblings
I attended a “Duggar style” Christian school for 2.5 years. The way that the girls were expected to “protect” the male students from anything that could cause them to “morally stumble” was so intense. The rules we had to abide by were insane. We weren’t allowed to speak to the boys alone, stand within 3 feet, sit on the same couch or even at the same table. I had male students send me “notes” asking me for absolutely INSANE “favors”. It was very much the “abstain until the point of absolute crushing curiosity” effect. The pressure on the female students was so intense. I remember flushing a note down the toilet for the fear of getting in trouble because the boy asked me for something of the “front hugging” variety. I didn’t know this boy... but he was so socially damaged by all this “training” that he felt it was OK to ask me for this. I was in 7th grade...
The stories I could tell about this school. The reason we wound up leaving was actually for physical abuse. 😏
Wow - the idea that you would get in trouble for that note, and not the boy who wrote it is mind boggling. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Yes! All of this. I went to one of these types of schools from 6-12th grade. A boy "stumbling" was never their fault, it was the girls for wearing something "inappropriate" or walking in the wrong way...whatever it was. I remember getting violently yelled at for wearing socks below my ankles because ankles are tempting for boys. The trauma I'm still dealing with is unreal.
Reminds me of the ways Islam treats women.
@@elora9630 that’s so incredibly sexist. I’m so sorry you went to these schools
That’s so horrible 💗💗 did the teachers physically abuse or other students. So sorry you experienced it
The fact that you are more out raged for those girls than their own parents ever were is very telling. Would you and Megan be willing to watch the Megyn Kelly interview that she did with Jessa and Jill to observe their body language as opposed to the words their dad made them say pls? I'd be very interested in y'alls take on it as well! Ty!
Yes!
Yes please
Yes!
Absolutely would like him to o this as well
I have to disagree. This is probably very troubling times for the girls. Please don't publicize their victimhood and give them their privacy.
I think that Jimbob kissing his wife in front of Ben and Jessa is really only perverse because their religion equates that with sex. Their kids "can't" kiss until they marry, so them kissing in front of their kids is cringey because their culture sees kissing as something private and sexual. Like my mom has kissed her husbands in front of me and it's no big deal because kissing is just a sign of affection. But with them, it's taboo so it *IS* very much a power play and it *IS* inappropriate.
While I don't have the religion background to really comment on this, I feel like I have to add that I think the reason it felt gross to many people was ONLY because of what he said "does that turn you on".... That's very very different from just kissing your wife.
Not only the taunting about the kissing, but standing behind Michelle and rubbing himself on her backside. (This is at the mini golf facility.) Disgusting and totally inappropriate behavior for a “Christian” man who purports strict rules regarding so many things. Good grief.
It absolutely was a look what I can do and you can't even hold hands because I say so. Absolutely a power move.
Also, the fact that Jim Bob was doing all that with Michelle as he warns off his daughter's "special friend" feels like he's peeing on his territory. This is not odd as applied to his wife (tho a bit of red flag), but it's sick as applied to his daughter. It's a subtle but overt display of sexual dominance that is REALLY out of place given the context. The man should go find a freezing lake to jump in so he can calm down.
Yeah, and it's also uncomfortable because he's flaunting it and honestly encouraging them to be inappropriate or rush into marriage. He is doing it for the boys. I feel like it's just so wildly inappropriate with how they are brought up.
I grew up in a family like this. My cousin is serving prison time like little Duggar junior. The family still fully supports him. You are 100% right that if a neighbor did this, they would be livid. They think their boys are special and that men are tempted by the women's evil bodies. I was not even allowed to wear a towel from the bathroom to my bedroom in my home. They probably do know many families that cover this up. My family did until they got caught. My cousin wasn't the first one by far. He was a pastor too.
Also sorry about the victims your cousin did wrong to
These kind of families have such a twisted, distorted concept of what "inconditional love" is... and it only applies to their little boys (even though most of times they aren't kids anymore). Dare one of their daughters speak up agaisnt them and, in best-case scenario, they would get minimized. Most of times I've seen women and even girls getting banished from their families/communities just by telling the truth.
They probably said that god will take their sins away, as a cathloic and as a s/a survivor hell is still like heaven for those evils bastards
Him saying that Ben has to “work for Jessa’s heart” makes me so mad. Jim Bob is basically saying he is entitled to his daughters heart upon birth simply because he is their biological father yet a guy who’s actually trying to earn her and her family’s respect is a potential threat simply because he’s a boyfriend figure. It just shows the insane level of possessiveness this man has over his children.
ruclips.net/video/DzvgqDRMUQE/видео.html Her heart belongs to DADDY
Now, knowing what we know, it makes so much sense why the engagements were so quick
not children. *Daughters specifically. Jimbob's controlling behavior is concentrated specifically on the women in his life. It's a psychosexual link between fatherhood, god, control, and his insane sex drive. It's practically freudian and it's no wonder he created a monster.
As a survivor of CSA, I have seen the kind of manipulation and gaslighting JB and Josh did first hand. They make me sick, and I applaud the jury for convicting Josh.
BTW JB, I can guarantee you the girls were NOT ASLEEP when it happened. I know from experience I woke up immediately. For JB and Michelle to do nothing to protect the girls just pisses me off.
I’m so sorry. That is absolutely infuriating on your behalf and on the behalf of any person whose been SA-ed. It is sick, the way that these disgusting individuals have been protected and touted as “godly men”. I hope you are actively healing each moment that passes.
I am sorry you went through that😞
I can second that. You don’t sleep through something like that as a child. You wake up and freeze. The idea of “maybe if I pretend to be asleep they’ll give up and leave” is a survival tactic for a child put in an impossibility difficult situation. That’s what I always tried to do. It doesn’t work. My heart breaks for them, and I’m so so so glad this disgusting human is being put away for hopefully a long time.
Same here! And you are 💯💯💯
The fact that JB and Josh state the girls were asleep, shows their ignorance about the damage of objectifying human beings. Is SA somehow less evil if the victim is asleep or unconscious???
An unintended side effect of your channel might be teaching people who don't have other resources to recognise manipulative and abusive behaviours, and as someone who was (mainly emotionally) abused as a child and only got to learn it was wrong as an adult, that can be incredibly valuable. Thank you for always being so compassionate and reassuring towards victims of any situation.
This truly hit home...Perfectly stated. Someone will truly appreciate this comment. I know I do.
Sending you the biggest hugs, fellow survivor.
I 100% SO agree.
Same here. Sorry for what you went through, you're not alone. ❤️
I agree completely, these videos are so educational.
Jim Bob rings every alarm bell in my head. I think he’s a sociopathic self-absorbed narcissist, just like Josh. And the fact that Michelle and Anna both adopted the same affected meek mousy childlike persona to survive them is so telling.
Some religions stone women to death even today for getting caught committing adultery, yet you do not see the man who was caught being stoned next to her - it takes 2 to tango
Like Trump.
If Jim Bob really cared about “keeping his daughters’ hearts safe” he would have kept their bodies safe, too
Yes!!!!!!!
I must say, your entire channel is utterly fascinating to me.
I am a person with autism, and personally, I do not have much of an inherent ability to even *notice* most non-verbal communications, much less actually understand them. I think that's the primary reason why I find myself absolutely spellbound by all of your videos; to me, it's literally like learning a foreign language. And I've always loved learning new languages. 🥰
Love this comment☺
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I completely agree and understand. Thank you for phrasing this as a new language. My brain clicked at that. Thank you 😊
@@alshirley3444 💖💖💖💖💖
Same! Learning the mechanics of nonverbal communication has been invaluable to me as an autistic person. I still couldn't reliably catch the details Logan does, but it's still super helpful.
The way Michelle is just entranced listening to her husband talk, like literally hanging on every word, like no one else is in the room, like she's an obedient soldier standing at attention.
That’s an IBLP thing. Wives are supposed to do that. It’s pretty gross
That's exactly what she was groomed to be. What all girls and women in that church are raised to be. Subservient, unquestioning and obedient.
Yep. That's the cult in her. You need to make Him feel adored, like he is the only person in the world. Men in this cult want to be worshipped like little gods, basically.
It looks less like a soldier and more like a drugged victim or a fresh cult member.
@@frithar You'll also see that in clips of Josh and Anna talking. He does most of the talking, and she does the gazing.
As someone who survived multiple SAs I'm in tears from gratitude over the outrage and demonstration of compassion you show in this video. The reason it's making me cry is because I craved my whole life for someone to show the level of passion that you're demonstrating. I never received anything close to it. In fact I had a restraining order at the age of 15 against an attacker yet I was the one forced to change high schools instead of him. He was allowed to remain on campus and to continue his extracurricular activities and I was told since we weren't allowed to be in the same level of space that it would be "best for me to move to another school and probably better for my mental health". I spoke to many women who share similar experiences as mine and it breaks my heart.
I was the guilty one ofc. I should have known better because I was a much "younger Pretty girl". I got asked by "friends" why I was pressing charges because didn't I realize this would go on the permanent records of the boys that had hurt me? I could ruin their entire futures! Little did my "friends" know It was the state or the county that was pressing charges on my behalf as a minor. I actually had gone down to the police department begging them to drop the charges because of the bullying and how awful it was.
So I know this is probably the strangest "thank you" you may ever receive if you see this comment, but thank you for your outrage. Thank you for making it abundantly clear that this is not OK. And thank you by allowing my heart to heal a little biproxy of the message you give in this video and the outrage and compassion you have for these victims.
This was so clearly hard to film. I feel like most people talking about the Duggar trial/situation are not as outraged as they should be, and it was honestly such a relief to see how upset you two were. There is no doubt in my mind that Josh is guilty, and Jim is at LEAST guilty by association. Theyre monsters. The mom is a monster, and those little girls deserved better protection, better family. Any minors remaining in the Duggar family should be taken away from them.
To be honest when everything came out, I’m surprised the little the minors that were still at home didn’t get taken away. It’s just the whole situation is sad and gross that they brought him back into the home just because they were gaining attention and they didn’t wanna have to answer any questions about or why Josh isn’t there I mean, according to the documentary, his own sister and niece weren’t even aware Jim Bob wasn’t telling even them everything that was going on.
"There's no need for a non-verbal read on this level of stupidity." Bravo! Well said!
As a survivor of incest perpetuated by an older brother, I can tell you the amount of rejection I felt when my mother fully supported said brother was completely overwhelming. It took years to deal with and a total separation from my mother before I felt a modicum of peace.
What these two people allowed in their homes was revolting on a primal level. I also believe more of their daughters have been involved as well as Josh's daughters.
My heart and prayers go out to these girls.
could be. Child Protection needs to step in and investigate.
So sorry 😢
Thank you for sharing that story, and I agree, I think this goes so much deeper than anyone has even imagined…I hope all of the victims find help and that all of the abusers find a cell.
I believe other Duggar girls are involved 😥 there is video of Josh holding toddler Josie on his lap in a very creepy way and I just can't get that image out of my head....
I hear you....
What I have always suspected is that the girls, 2 of Duggar’s admitted victims, Jim Bob’s daughters were “forced” to be interviewed in the second part of this interview and given a script. I’d LOVE your breakdown of that and the body language read because it’s almost sickening to know he forced them to belittle their own truth to save face for their brother.
There’s this new documentary, shiny happy people and Jill essentially said that she felt pressured and felt that it was her responsibility to do the interview now she regrets doing it and wishing to go back and not do it
It breaks my heart that you are more upset than their own parents. I have seen this a bunch of times and it never gets less shocking. Disgusting, deplorable, blasphemous…there aren’t enough words
I simply can't understand how a father can be so controlling when it comes to things as inconsequential as hand holding, but refuses to condemn his own son for SA and child porn.
Not like any of them know what the word hypocrite means, they all get Arkansas GED if they are lucky and thats about it. Maybe some labor and delivery classes for the girls and that's it. There's a lot they don't understand!
it's control and misogyny and purity culture thrown in a blender, and finished off with a massive turd.
there's good sources out there, from ppl who have left the iblp (the cult the duggars are a part of). and what stuck with me was that, not only does the misogyny and patriarchal structure allow men to get away with things, it also provides the perfect 'get out of consequences' religious card, in letting them claim they repented and jesus fixed them. and cult members cannot argue against that, bc that would be arguing that jesus isn't all powerful, it would be questioning god and only god gives forgiveness, and if god has forgiven that person, then who are you to withhold that forgiveness?
it's sickening
In IBLP/ATI they are taught that SA and sex crimes against women are the fault of the victim and that it is the perpetrator who they deem the real victim. They even go so far as to teach kids and women that if they are SAd, it is a "gift" from god.
The fact that Jim Bob would say these things out loud, on camera, is alarming. He has no idea that any of what he’s saying is horrific.
Makes you wonder what he’s saying behind closed doors🤭
He is genuinely harrowing in every scene. His behavior. His words. Everything he does makes me desperately want a scalding hot shower.
So this is my take on this video:
Jim Bob is lenient with Josh and is trying so hard to "redeem him" and be there for him because Jim Bob feels guilty. He was the spiritual leader of the family and failed. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Jim Bob is guilty of doing the same thing to his girls, but they are so brain washed and terrified of their manipulative, narcissistic dad, that they may never speak out.
I think Anna was a young, innocent, naive girl who was married off by her dad and didn't ever feel like she was "allowed" to say no. I think they pushed the marriage to get Josh out of the home and "cure" his sexual desires AND it was BIG ratings for the TV Show. Talk about a win, win! 🙄🤦🏻♀️
Lastly, I wonder if Janna (the oldest daughter) has yet to get married because she doesn't trust men (like her father and brother) and has chosen to stay behind to "protect" the younger girls still at home. It wouldn't be the first time in history that an older sibling lets the abuse fall on them, rather than a younger sibling. Thoughts, anyone?
I agree on all counts. I think Jana has been jaded. She’s exhausted and has lost any romanticized notion of marriage/kids. I think she’s protecting the little ones and I doubt she will get married. I hope she gets out when the little ones are safe, and goes to school and builds a strong support system for herself. Those kids have gone through a lot.
Jim Bob opening his mouth.was a strategic mistake. He's being taken apart. Why didn't the lawyer tell him not to give interviews.
Even if Jim Bob isn't committing SA on his kids. Which I honestly have the sad sinking feeling that Josh possibly learned it from his father. The fact that these parents don't seem to do things like give their kids hugs and love makes me think that Jana is staying around not just as a protection but as a way to make sure her parents do no parenting and give the little kids chance to get away from the life that they're living. I feel like when either the last kid turns 18 or they're taken away which by this point I think social services really should be involved. She'll finally leave and not only leave but we'll most likely do a 180 and completely change from what she has portrayed herself as to keep her parents happy and maybe finally live her life on her terms.
I've recently seen info that Jana Duggar is gay and has been in love with her BFF for a long time! Stands to reason that JB wants to keep her close at home so the world doesn't find out!
There was rumours that she was gay
15:22 twas definitely a genuine emotion from JB, not because he's genuinely happy for his daughter, but because he's losing CONTROL over her & that FRIGHTENS him, he is scared of what she might do and or say when she has the freedom to do such. He is scared that his brainwashing tactics may wear off, & from her nonverbal demeanor, he had reason to be afraid.
Also, go Jill!!!!! I am so proud of her for standing up for herself & her own family.
Yes, it was 13 years after the fact for the Duggars, but my mother still cries whenever we get into detail about what happened to me when I was 15. I'm 29 now.
The timeframe doesn't matter, this shit HURTS, no matter how long ago it was. I feel like we should have seen emotion on their faces, instead of what we got now.
As a SA survivor, thank you for your outrage Logan. We need more men like you willing to use this rage to help us fight for our rights and protect kids from going through the same horror we have.
As one myself-tell me those of us who were sickened by the first show and had increased heart beats ? I could not get through it and it happened with Jim Bob and Michelle .
i see you, survivor 🤍
The way you expressed so much rage for the injustice that those girls went through has me in tears. Speaking as a woman who was assaulted when I was a teen, it feels really good to be reminded that good men like you are out in the world, feeling just as upset about this stuff as me and a lot of other women are. It means a lot to see a man feel so passionately about this.
(I'm not discounting that men get assaulted too, because they absolutely do and I hate that just as much! I'm just speaking on my own feelings and experience).
This gives me the chills. I would honestly not be suprised if the dad even did some things to any little kids and he saw his dad do that at a very young age and just copied his fathers behavior. But he did it to his sisters instead.
Behaviors like these are all too often selfexperienced from the beginning. Either to yorself or seeing it happen to someone else.
They don't fall far from the tree...
i think it’s rumored the leader of their church molested josh
Honestly before the news broke about Josh molesting them, I thought it was possible that JB would do it.
He said he didn't want to give her away and that he wanted to keep her, probably because she was his first victim, as the oldest.
All speculation, we do not know, could be.
Jim Bob can now call his show "20 years and counting" while they wait for Josh to get out of prison.
Nice. I stopped scrolling and screamed lol.
"I don't have kids so I can't speak as a parent-"
You have MORE appropriate righteous anger over the abuse of these girls than their own parents.
Exactly
Yep!
And you don't need to have children to know that treating them like property isn't appropriate.
Amen.
Thanks for sharing. As a survivor of this cult I appreciate you standing up for the girls and all of us survivors.
Sending love to you 💝
My family is kind of conservative, we're lower-middle class Christian white Australians. My parents were in volunteer Christian ministry for decades. They're dedicated to their faith, and it's played a huge part in how they've raised me and my older brother.
Their outlook is to raise their kids with the tools they need to make their own decisions. They don't need to control my life, because they've tried to raise me to figure it out myself. I don't need to follow what they tell me God wants for me, because they encourage me to seek God's guidance myself.
I don't need my parents' permission, but I would like their blessing. I don't need their approval, but I appreciate their opinions.
No one will be asking my father's permission to marry me, because I'm an individual. My father would see this as a warning sign, because it'd show that a man wad assuming I can't make my own decisions, and that's not the person my Dad raised.
If your parenting style demands that you continue to make decisions for your adult children, because you believe they are unequipped to make those decisions themselves, then you're doing something wrong. If your parenting style makes the assumption that your children cannot operate in the world without your permission and guidance, then you've absolutely missed the point.
You raise children to become adults. If you have to keep parenting your adult children, then you've missed some vital steps in their childhood.
Jim Bob forgot one very BIG detail when Josh was sent away to this so called “camp” they also were filming for TLC at the time. Josh would come back during filming days like nothing happened and then sent back after the cameras left. It’s always been about the money, control, and fame for them. There are so many skeletons in their closet, it’s almost not a surprise when you uncover more secrets.
As a survivor of CSA, I pretended to sleep hoping the monster doing that to me would stop. He never did, then I would up trying to detach from my body. This whole story makes me ill. The only thing “good” coming from the Duggar’s is that we are now talking openly about CSA and the effects it has years later. Thank you for covering this.
Wow it’s crazy how so many kids go through this.. I was fake sleeping too hoping he’d just leave.. smh
Yes, this is why I said I guarantee they knew. It’s BS to say they didn’t.
Sooo sorry 😢
I'm SO upset at their response for if they were worried about their daughters THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN HARMED.
I agree with Megan’s summary that the vibes are “no thank you sir” and “get her out of there” lmao
Watching YOU TWO react to this is healing in a weird way. FINALLY someone has an emotionally appropriate reaction to what happened to these girls!!! I understand that as parents we love all our children, but you always, ALWAYS take the side of the victim. Josh couldn't learn right from wrong. His parents never taught him. They may (!) have told him, but they certainly never showed him. 😭
Yes, very healing, had it on all day. I'll be better tomorrow and can go on with my life.
This 100%
"we talked to our best friends." Was one of those best friends the cop that they had come "scare" Josh? The one who ended up going to prison for CP? I guarantee he just coached Josh on how to be more discreet.
They talked to the Holts. Bobye Holt testified against Josh
Oh. For sure
You're correct. He talked to multiple people & one of them was the cop who's in prison for cp
Sounds like it was a church “secret” that was allowed to slide by. Makes me disgusted with their church standards.
The fact that not once did they say - or even insinuate - that they were devastated for their DAUGHTERS. Wtf.
How have Jim Bob and Michelle not been arrested and charged in connection to Josh’s crimes?! Also, how do they have custody of any of their other children?!
One the crimes are too old.Two you aren't guilty just because your child chooses to break the law (in spite of what some politicians tell you.
You have to be complicit in the crime. It also has to be reported before the statute of limitations runs out.
I lived through similar CSA at the hands of my stepbrother. I do not feel triggered by the content and have been through a lot of therapy (am actually a therapist myself now). But your righteous anger brought me to tears, in a good way. Thank you sir, we need good men like you in the world.
Thank you for sharing, u are a survivor.
Thank you for sharing. You are helping the next generation by becoming a therapist yourself.
Hey. I'm also a CSA survivor (dad, grandpa, and brother), and am now a therapist, as well. Just wanting to reach out with some solidarity.
When I was a small child a man in a mall exposed himself to me, I don't remember at all, but 30 years later the amount of anger in my mother's voice the rare times it comes up, (it's come a bit due to this story, it's brought it back to the forefront of her memory) it's like it happened an hour ago. So listening to the Duggar parents talk and downplay it is "it was years ago" I know they didn't care all that much. My mother has never forgotten nor forgiven it, though it had zero impact on me because I don't remember it.
This is very impactful. My mom falls into the Duggar category of power&control, eye-rolling or raging away my pain. I'm keeping a journal of thoughts and examples in preparation of going no contact for good. It's always been so.... Mmmm, not bizarre, but incredible, like genuinely in-credible, not-believable, to me, on a gut level , that other people have parents that they trust, feel safe with, aren't antagonistic and entitled and narcissistic. It is helping reaffirm my decision.
Thanks for sharing this story. I concur; I have felt rage and been ready to punch a few faces over SMALLER transgressions my own kids have endured so the Duggar parents LACK of love, empathy or care for their daughters is mind blowing to me. They are absolutely terrible and my suspicion is that these awful things josh did ARE small compared to the darker, more terrible things they hide, I’m sure. It’s so awful and scary to even think about
The fact that they had to pause and think for a couple seconds when Megan Kelly asked them “did you feel concerned for your daughters’ safety?” (Or something similar to that) is so incredibly sad.
As a parent to 2 tween children, and in an openly tactile marriage (meaning casual touching generally acceptable places, hugging, and kissing), this is creepy. If you're unbothered by people seeing you and your SO be affectionate toward each other, I don't think that's a big deal in most cultures. I, personally, want my kids to observe what a happy and healthy relationship looks like (including disagreeing civilly). But if you're actively calling attention to displays of affection, it takes it to a really creepy and perverse place. I feel like there's a huge difference between being unbothered and commanding your offspring and their date watch you dry hump the wife.
I have a little daughter and if anyone, no matter who, would touch her.. The person would be lucky if they escape death. To protect your child is your responsibility. The duggars make me so sick and angry. They need to be held accountable.
Your anger is so justify and thank you for talking about this topic ❤️
💯💯💯
Same with my niece. I almost took a guy out with my electric cart when he looked at her funny in WalMart! (She is still single digits even now.)
Wonder if he knew how close he came to an "Oh my, what a stupid mistake! I thought I was reversing!" Actually, he knew something - he moved out of the aisle very quickly after catching my eye. Faster than I could get the cart to move! Yes to Mens Rea (the guilty mind - Motive) he just moved fast enough to keep me from deciding on completing the crime.
You raise an excellent point but we're not in the Institute of Basic Life Principles where Men are protected & everything is the girl's/wife's fault...
(Nope, not going there - started to type but my treatment's done & I'm going to sleep - I've pontificated & postulated enough in these posts, you can find me if you want more info! 😉 )
~CM
This was happening BEFORE the big house was built and TLC had them on TV as regulars. The reason we know is that when they were planning the huge house, and deciding how many bedrooms would be built, etc...Michelle told an interviewer as she was giving a tour; that they asked the kids if they wanted several separate bedrooms, and the girls ALL agreed that they wanted to be in one large bedroom together. A very odd request to have teens, pre-teens and little girls all claiming that they wanted to sleep in one room. There was the opportunity in that huge home for many separate bedrooms, but the girls didn't want to be separated. RED FLAG right there. In addition to that, Michelle has told interviewers and spoken on their show about whenever she had a new baby, the infant would sleep in the master bedroom while it was waking up in the night and needing to nurse, etc...then at about a year or so of age, she would move the current baby into the girls' room. What kind of mother does this? These bigger girls had to take care of the other kids during the day, as they were on "teams" and they were also responsible at night? All of us who have had babies know for sure that even at a year or year and a half, a baby will lots of times wake up in the night, especially while teething and in pain. You have to sooth them, rock them, maybe give a bottle and change their diapers. This job was handed over to the girls' room while Michelle and Jim Bob slept peacefully in their own room. Narcissistic much?
We need to talk about Anna literally staying with Josh and continuing to bear litters of his children. She's a fucking monster as much as he is. CPS needs to get involved and remove the children from that household.
Given how they covered up and excused Josh’s “acts” against his little sisters, I am VERY concerned that they equate the love and relationship between father and daughter with that of a wife and husband. I hope authorities look into Jim Bob as well. Big red flags here.
Ya. The parents never said one Damn thing about doing anything to help his victim sisters!
That's actually a thing in their subculture: fathers are supposed to be training their daughters to be future wives. While ostensibly this isn't supposed to include sexual grooming, it comes so chillingly close that it's easy to believe there are a lot of fathers who escalate to exactly that.
I’ve often wondered this as well
I definitely don't think that's a stretch considering that weird time he cried over a purity ring and makes the men courting his daughters fill out 50 page questionnaires.
@@yesimsureienteredmynamecorrect No parent should have that level of involvement in their children’s love lives. Creepy.
If my brother had done anything like this, my dad would have likely beaten him. We were not physically abused at all, but that is how heinous this is. My dad would have lost his mind. My brother would have been removed from the home and sent to jail.
Yes!!!!
I honestly feel Josh was taught this behavior 🤢😢. He’s also not a good person.
@@mermaiddiyartist8119 question is WHO taught him this behavior
I don't like to imagine what my husband would do.
So what you're saying is, you were raised appropriately and didn't have to endure the pain as these children did because your dad is not like Jim Bob
This interview was my breaking point.
Meeeshelll saying "We talked to our girls to tell them about safe touch & told our girls to protect their hearts"
As a CSAM survivor, I can promise that my heart was never touched.
They want to marry off pure daughters not damaged goods.
Placing blame or responsibility on their daughters reminding them to stay pure while Josh damaged them 💔
And when Jimbob said he '"talked to people & it was common in other families"
Only reiterated the fact that CSAM is all to common in their world.
He isn't sharing this with strangers or anyone that doesn't already belong in their fundie world.
Think about that....
It shouldn't be common, how repulsive
One thing to remember is their leader, the one they get their homeschooling material from, stepped down because of sexual harassment allegations and molestation. No wonder people in their circle were having kids with those problems and why it is taken so lightly.
The lack of motherly instinct to protect her mom and how she was so submissive to disregard her own daughters assault speaks volumes. I hope the daughters disown so they can start their healing journey. It is hard to give them up, but it is harder to hold onto someone who refuses accountibility for your suffering when they were responsible with protecting it.
The really sad part is there is no way to know how much of that is just the mother’s innate personality and how much of it is mental & emotional abuse with a solid helping of brainwashing.
Jim Bob does treat his daughters like they are possessions. The girls are considered second class. I am glad that Jill had the courage to speak up and I truly hope she can start to heal.
I think Derek, bless his heart, was and has been the catalyst in helping/supporting Jill in finding her voice, healing, setting boundaries and her legal "what's right and wrong".
@@faegrrrl I agree. I am glad Jill has a supportive husband.
@@faegrrrl Yes, absolutely
If someone can speak FOR Anna Duggar, she can get her babies SAFEly out and aWAY from her own family.
Then, let’s talk about Jana…💕💔
They are in his eyes…and I think Jana is HIS
I share your outrage. I'm survivor and I don't understand how any of what they did was "okay". I feel in my heart that Josh learnt some of these behaviors. Sending love to the victims/survivors.
I've always wondered how CPS didn't take the kids away. Like after this came out I know that the statute of limitations ran out (why limitations on that I don't know) like there are cases of sexual abuse happening in this family that Megyn Kelly interview shows that the parents are fine with what happens to their kids being assaulted. I'm not even a huge fan of the foster care system. But these kids needed to be taken out of that home especially the ones that were still underage especially after finding out that Josh had been downloading
In regards to your caveat about religion. If someone is saying “I’m the exception and am offended by your criticism” rather than “I see the problem and am fixing it within” or “we need to call it out when we see it” then they are still part of the problem. It’s gaslighting and we need to better about it. I am very religious and have so much compassion for those who have been hurt by religion and disgust for those who hide behind it.
Thank you for not shying away from this very real issue. Thank you for your perspective.
The youngest victim found out the severity of her abuse during the case. I was broken hearted for her. She was crushed!
I can’t even imagine having to hear second-hand, as an adult, the extent of my childhood abuse. She could have begun to process that trauma as a child if she had responsible and loving parents. The abuse may not have even happened if they had taken appropriate action after the first instance. It’s sickening that families like this, that claim to be so pure and Christ-like, are more likely to minimize and refuse to report SA. It’s all about their public image, not the safety and mental health of their innumerable children.
Which daughter was that?!
it's ok, tlc will give this sickening family another show called "still counting" or something.
I am 70 and I still remember when my father molested me. You never forget that first day. Actually I can remember everyday he messed with me. Molesters never change,they can’t ,that’s what scary. They need to keep Josh in jail for life!
thinking of you and hope you have a good holiday season :)
This should have never happened to any of us.
My Dad asked me one question on my wedding day: “Are you happy?” That’s all he wanted. It wasn’t about him. This is so cringy.
I feel so sorry for every woman connected with this family and their way of life. Imagine the internalised shame those poor girls must feel. Their parents made it clear to them that it wasn't Josh's fault, so it must be theirs.
Just so y’all know the younger sibling that was “touched” was Joy Anna she was 8 when Josh was 17…. I’m glad she was at the trial and got the truth about what happened to her because I’m POSITIVE Jim Bob never told her, actually that’s why a lot of the siblings went to the trial because they wanted to know the truth
And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Jill who first went to their parents about Josh, instead of Josh confessing himself. I think that's why JB blames Jill for "ruining" the family and causing all of this. Even Josh said in one of the episodes that Jill was the tattle-tale of the family.
@@ssrlly yep! They wrong af for disowning her that’s why watching that clip of Jim Bob at her wedding was cringy 😖
@@ChelseaNeKole93 Fk Rim Job and his Child breeding machine wife, I cannot wrap my head around protecting their criminal child, and they still do considering their statement, instead of their other 18 children, especially the girls. Disgusting.
And when Bobye went to them to let them know how bad it actually was after Josh told her what he did they said they didn’t want to hear it.
Joy was 4-5 when Josh SA'ed her. And yes, Jill is the one who told on Josh. She woke up when Josh tried to touch her and punched him in the face then went to tell her parents. She also told her parents about the incident with Joy. That's why Jill is a danger to the family according to JB.
I think more “dark” secrets about this family will come to light in the coming years since the girls have justice, feel safe and have a voice.
Yep. I think Jim Bob would totally try to get his daughters pregnant. He is a sick man.
@@karenabrams8986 gross I hope not.
Rim Job reminds me of Lot from the Bible. 🤮
@@karenabrams8986 you mean DimBulb
I told my husband this when the stuff about his sisters came out. I said they were too ok with it, they are hiding something bigger and darker.
I'm training for Christian ministry, and I've been especially researching cults like this because I know I will have to face people who may think like this. To put it EXTREMELY MILDLY, this is NOT the heart of God. They have no real leg to stand on over here on the religious front, either, and any "Christian" who honestly thinks they do is seriously lost.
It’s so stressful coz I think Jinger compared Bill Gothard’s teachings to the Bible and found tons of discrepancies. You’re right that what the Duggars do is not the heart of God, it’s that of Bill Gothard & that’s unfortunate.
I am almost bright to tears with gratitude for your immense passion and rage against what was allowed (and promoted by not removing Josh from the home immediately) to happen to these precious girls. How detrimental to these girls' self esteem and sense of self-worth seeing that their abuser and attacker is not sufficiently punished and even allowed to continue with his attacks on even more of the sisters. I pray they have been able to build a sense of security and safety now that they are out of the house. No wonder they've become estranged from their enabling family. Thank you for caring so deeply for this horrific tragedy.
I would just like to point out that not only do the Duggar parents not show sympathy for their female children, they act like they don't exist individually through all of this footage. Jim Bob says that the only people who knew about it are himself, his wife, and Joshua--like the sisters involved don't even count. He does this again later when he mentions the groping incident, and he vaguely mentions "the girls" once, in the briefest and least emotive manner possible.
I was picking up on the same thing. "the only ppl who know" yeah I guess the victims aren't people? And they're "the girls" not individual daughters.
No, no, the girls were totally unaware of what was done to them because they were asleep...only Jim Bob, Michelle, and Josh know about it. The girls don't know at all what was done to them.
He can't SERIOUSLY believe that, that's just what he is claiming as a way to minimize the seriousness. In his storyline, the girls weren't really harmed because they didn't know about it and didn't suffer the experience...they were sleeping peacefully the whole time. The girls didn't even know it occurred. Even the girl sitting on Josh's lap was asleep, I guess...and the girl walking around in the laundry room was really sleepwalking...and the girls on the couch were totally napping the whole time... UGH!!!!!!
If he did it even one single time, that's enough to get him out of the house into intensive treatment and get the girls into therapy and interviewed by CPS. None of this "handling it inhouse" crap, which just allowed Josh to continue for NINE MONTHS before they actually did anything. Oh, but JB was running for Senate when they first found out, so keeping his image clean was more important, I guess...
As a CSA survivor I doubt those girls were always sleeping if it happened THAT often. You outraged is honestly appreciated
The relief I feel at seeing a man express this level of disgust and outrage is indescribable. Some men in the world are good. I know I shouldn’t be as shocked as I am, but I am.
As an avid bible reader and firm believer in God, I'm blown away that they truly believe the god they worship would water down the seriousness and disgusting nature of these crimes. Protect. Children. At. All. Costs.
Enthusiastic non-believer here, tried reading Bible multiple times and got bored (I prefer John Milton's delicious fanfiction if I want a good time on Genesis, lol)
Agree with you 1,000,000%. Protect the kids. Always. I would literally die to save any child from something like this. Even if it was at the hands of another "child".
I see assault, there will be hell. To. Pay.
@@WhistleAndSnap right there with you.
When I was 19 I was sexually assaulted. I didn’t tell my dad when it happened because I knew what he would do. Over 15 years later I told my dad about it. His response was, “you should have told me when it happened. I would have taken care of it.” My response. “Yeah, that’s why I didn’t tell you.” I don’t want my dad in jail for beating the hell out of someone instead of the pos person who did it.
I think my dads response was more appropriate than Jim Bob. He should get the worst parent of the century award
holy crap.. this is exactly why i didnt tell my dad too. i know for a fact that he would have shot my abuser and paid the price for it.
SAME!!! I was 8 when it happened to me and my mom passed away when I was 6 so my Dad was the ONLY parent I had left. It was my adopted uncle who SA/SM/R me and told me how my dad would go to jail for unaliving my adopted uncle and I would end up in foster care and how this my assault would happen even worse and everyday from my would be foster parent and it would happen to my brother too I took me tell my dad I wanted to move a little over a yr and a half before we moved 2 hrs away. My dad never knew what happened but knew something happened and put me in therapy thinking it had to do with mom dying. I was 31 when I broke down telling him in a middle of an argument 34 yrs old and still working through the trauma
@@rebeccacole7322 I just want to say I’m so sorry for the abuse and trauma you’ve been through. It’s not okay and things like this should never happen. I hope you are doing better every day and have loving and respectful people in your life now. Sending you a virtual hug!
Right no kidding. When I was a teen at the river to swim this dude my dads age came and was super creepy. Called my Dad to pick me up & he saw the creeper following me to the car. My Dad got out told me to get in the car & whooped that dudes ass. That man never even touched me and my Dad knocked his ass out and kicked his teeth in literally. How a father could hear the repeated violations of their daughters and do nothing is so disgusting. Jim Bob & Josh & Michelle will get theirs when they meet our maker that I truly believe.
Definitely a side note, I love the support you two have for each other. I personally have struggled with very poor relationships, and I feel like you two show what a healthy one looks like.
This made me so, so grateful for my dad and the relationship we had.
This makes me miss my dad. I am grateful that I had a father who loved me unconditionally cared about my feelings and interests. If I had a dad like Jim Bob I don't think I would be here on this Earth anymore I could not stand to have someone like that as my parent
As someone who has been abused in every way possible, thank you Logan for just showing how someone should respond to an abuser. When people tell you that your experiences aren't as serious as they actually are, seeing someone actually respond properly is one of those "little" things that actually create a safe place. Y'all are my comfort channel now ❤️
Just commenting to say that I’m sending love and good vibes your way. You deserve to be believed; abuse like this is disgusting and unacceptable, and people should be outraged. Trauma shouldn’t be belittled or dismissed.
I hope you’re doing well now and are surrounded by loving/supportive people! .
@@emilydeaton1169 Thank you ❤️ I'm not where I want to be in my personal growth yet, but every day I pull myself a little bit further. It's something that's hard to get past, but hopefully not impossible
Raina Adkins - it is the same for me. It's amazing to see someone react how they should to instances of abuse. I recommend the roleplays on Patrick Teahan LICSW RUclips channel for this as well.
JB showed more concern about the possibility of Jessa's hand being held on a date before she is married than he did about Josh molesting his sisters or other young girls.
Absolutely agree
Logan's sponsored skits are my favorite thing ever. They're always so funny!
When my brother tried to touch another girl (who happened to be older than him) my foster parents had him confess and apologize to the girl after speaking to her parents and told them that they would be open to and supportive of pressing charges if she or they wanted. And he “just” (compared to actually molesting someone though still very problematic) tried to touch her breast. And they actually got him in intensive therapy with an expert in children who act out on sexual urges. Which wasn’t covered by insurance. He had an addiction to porn and was starting to act things out he was 11 at the time)
That exactly what you should do! Get the kid in professional, specialized therapy, be open to the criminal ramifications of the actions, and make sure the kid knows they're in the wrong.
Also, I hate that so many types of helpful therapy aren't covered by insurance. I'm sure it was incredibly expensive, and I'm glad they had the means to provide that therapy.
Jill looking her father in the face at her wedding and saying "I think you set this whole thing up father" with that look of complete disgust on her face says it all for me. He views his daughters as possessions to be bartered with and they know it.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Jim Bob tried to “take josh under his wing” when he was young as far as sexual advances and what it means to “be a man” in his eyes. It makes me wonder if Josh was ever SA’ed by either his father or one of his fathers close friends. It’s also strange to me that he was “sent away” to a random man in connection to the police officer who tried to “scare him straight” who was also connected to CP. it makes me think they are so light on the subject of Josh’s actions because they are potentially in a web of SA and P.
I think assuming Josh was a victim is a slippery slope towards excusing his actions. He is 100% responsible for what he’s done.
I think any one can be a victim and also be responsible for their actions and crimes. I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive.
I’ve wondered the same.
@@Catglittercrafts my abuser was a victim himself but it 100% does not excuse what he did. Just like I was his victim but the cycle stops with me. People still make their choices, but it’s good to know their own history to make sure whoever victimized him faces consequences too where possible.
@@MagicalMissMikki Maybe but it also perpetuates the myth that most abusers were abused. The unfortunate fact is a lot of them, I would say the majority of them weren’t previously sexually abused. It makes it hard for people to understand if there’s not something to blame it on.
Thank you so much for doing this analysis, and I could see how hard filming this was for you both, but please know it makes a difference. It almost (to me at least) feels validating for my own feelings and outrage towards this family.
You’ve really amped up studio lights, production, and editing quality. I genuinely enjoy your work. Thank you for everything you both do to make great content. Thank you Megan for gathering the willpower to be involved, you are a wonderful human being.
Just a baseline level of common sense tells you that the victims did NOT sleep through all of these incidents. The chance that Josh came forward with multiple confessions instead of being prompted by victims threatening to tell is equally slim.
You are absolutely correct! Jill caught him one night and hit him to make him stop trying to touch her.
YES I was thinking the same thing!!! NO WAY he just came to them crying and confessed all. I heard that in one instance Jill woke up and his hand was in her pajama bottoms and she punched him in the face! The girls most likely told on him.
I think you're exactly right. He had to confess and beg forgiveness. What they don't talk about is how he was punished. They do not spare the rod. I'm sure Josh took a beating for this and they figured he'd learn from that.
i’m genuinely one of the heaviest sleepers i know. like i have slept through building fire alarms multiple times. and even i woke up to my abuse every time. there is literally almost no chance they slept through it, unless they were drugged. more likely that they were frozen and scared to move or open their eyes IF anything
It smacks of drug rape perpetrators
How did the parents not get charged with child endangerment since they knew about Josh's crimes but didn't even get him out of the home until it happened multiple times? Literally, they have this footage showing they KNEW. They have police reports saying they KNEW.
I agree. How did they let the statute of limitations expire? They knew for YEARS. I feel like there's a long line of corruption behind the Duggars. Hopefully JDs charges are only the start.
Edit: turns out Jana just got charged with child endangerment as well.
Because the statute of limitations was up (according to the Springdale PD)
Because by the time it was reported to police, the statute of limitations had just barely run out.
@@Annieology17 not the same. Jana apparently fell asleep while watching a bunch of kids, and one got out and wandered by the road. Don’t think there was anything intentional about it at all, seems purely accidental. Difference with the parents was willful harm.
@@Annieology17 I don't think that is a fair charge at all. Jana is home watching Anna's kids and Michelle's kids and caring for Anna's newborn and it's just too many little kids for one person to keep track of. One kid got loose and wandered off. It's not her fault. It could happen to anyone.
Also, law enforcement didn't know about the charges before the statute of limitations was up. The abuse happened in 2002 and wasn't reported to LE until 2006. 4 years seems like a REALLY short statute of limitations for such a serious crime...although, most likely, it's because they were all minors at the time and Josh was 18 when it was reported. Juveniles aren't usually prosecuted if their crimes come to light after they turn 18 since all punishments usually stop at 18 for juvenile crimes, anyway.
I was SA through my childhood by a family member, i told my mom when i was a teen. She told me to never tell anyone and keep quiet. 😔 She never helped me, we never spoke of it again. my heart is broken for these girls and girls in this situation.
Thank you for this video! I'm a survivor of incest perpetrated by my brother, and my parents (and the rest of the family) had a similar reaction, so many excuses. Thank you for validating my feelings and providing the reaction my relatives should have had.
What I find incredibly disturbing about the whole “daddy has their heart” thing, and this goes beyond just the repulsion I have for Jim Bob, is that we’re talking about a heart that, hopefully, is in someone’s possession in a father/daughter dynamic and then that same heart is being given to another man in a sexual husband/wife relationship... it just makes me feel icky! Not sure I’m explaining that right but it just feels incestuous to hear fathers talking like this about their daughters as a possession 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
I totally agree. This, plus dads being super obsessed with making sure their daughters (older teen and young adult) aren't losing their virginity before a certain age. Not even for religious reasons (which I can at least understand from that view) just the Hollywood stereotype of "if you even touch my daughter I'm grabbing my shotgun". Why are you so obsessed with who your 20 year old daughter's having sex with?
I hope Ben doesn't treat his little daughters Fern and Ivy like possessions when they get older like JB treats his daughters!
Ew, and “Purity balls” where girls dress in white and are escorted by their dads and sign a purity pledge and are given a “Purity ring” by their fathers…ugh,and men “Giving away” their daughters at weddings, literally handing them to their new owner….so damn gross, dude.
right? it literally feels and sounds like emotional incest
You get that icky feeling because you are watching "emotional incest" played out in real time, anyone who watched Jimbob with Jill before her wedding and didn't feel it need to go back and look at that scene, and Michelle doesn't get enough condemnation, these are her daughters! for christ sake, there she is all glassy eyed, breathy voiced and giggly saying "daddy takes it harder because he is literally giving them away" yes she actually said that, and also that they are now under the authority of their husbands instead of daddy's authority, they never have agency and she is all on board with that, just imagine as a mother wanting that for your daughters, she sickens me as much as Jimbob