ARM WRESTLING IS NOT WEIGHTLIFTING
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- Опубликовано: 23 апр 2023
- Janis and Ray talk about armwrestling training how much is that wieghtlifting, what you should focus on more and how it plays into getting better armwrestler.
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Someone who combines weight lifting and armwrestling is stronger then someone who only armwrestle or weight lift.
I don t know armwrestler who don t lift( you can believe Brzenk story if you want to ) But point of video was about something else. They talk about capebility oarmwrestlers to transfer weight lifting to armwrestling
@@milan.s2681 If John combined his table time with weight lifting I believe he would be stronger no doubt. On this video I agreed more with Janis then Ray
@@mito569 i believe that John always train with weights.
@@milan.s2681 dont know about always, but he did say he lifted weights at a young age
Not as much as someone who does one or the other, jack of all trades Ace of none and all
My training is mostly table time, a few times a week at 60-80%. My PR is when I pull a tournament or supermatch.
Yo kevin is here
I saw your live yesterday
@@elyron993 thanks for watching!! I try to do them every Sunday when we practice
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Technique is required for people who are of similar strength. I would still bet the person who is twice as strong as someone in arm and hand strength, will always beat the weaker person. This is why arm wrestling is called a strength sport.
It's not just strength. There are angles, where you can utilize your body frame to compensate for lack of strength.
Most infamous example is king's move - arm being fully extended.
Then there is side pressure - abusing lack of rotation, which can either break shoulder or elbow.
Finally, there is press - fully bend arm and press with bicep.
It's still a test of strength of your connective tissues and joints, but it is not exactly strength in its common understanding.
@@arhael3594 dude, the same thing is true of strongman competition and powerlifting. Technique is just as important in a deadlift as strength is, but it's still a strength sport. No one would call it a technique sport because all sports require technique.
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Last time I checked in powerlifting you don't try to outsmart your opponents with tactics, strategies and different techniques.
If it was just strength, Ermes wouldn't be able to do anything to Levan. He bridged the gap by combination of good technique, strategy and risking injuries to his shoulder and elbow.
@@arhael3594 I didn't say it was just strength.
@@ezradanger Your original point was that technique is required only for people with similar strength. Your point is complete nonsense. If that was the case, Chaffee would be n2. Levan would not become Oxigenashvili. Strength is rarely similar in any matchup. Styles, strategies, positions, gripping. Calling it simply a "strength" sport is very misleading and shortsighted.
Good video, nice talk
Coach ray and Janis spitting facts! As usual 🤨☝️🤘
I say table time is the most important thing. Weight training is great but should be secondary.
80% Table time
20% Weight training
It’s great getting stronger but if you’re not able to access to that power it is useless. Make table time the priority.
Look at John Brzenk
Imagine if they focused on Table time and sharpen their skills? They would be dangerous because their strength already has a very strong base.
I literally do the opposite and I am getting stronger and stronger and so on, on the table.
The problem is that people don't understand why they are strong at at area and how to train it, so when they go to the gym they do something they think will make them stronger there but they get a little better and then no more.
That is the number 1 100% the biggest problem for most arm wrestlers that go to the gym, even tough we talk about what training you can do, a lot of the lifts are still way to all over the place.
What John does on the table to gets stronger is close to fully replicable in the gym, but 1 or 2 muscles at the time. For me less is more when it comes to training arm wrestling when we talk about muscle groups.
Like even the most simple lift like a hammer curl, to train your brachialis for the forearms is a blatant wrong assumption on how what muscle works. Hammer curls are not bad, but not good for that reason.
If you ever have seen Oleg zhokh, with is super brachialis that he is mostly not using backpressure, but side ways full body movements.
So table time or the gym is not more or less important than the other, if you of course know how to arm wrestle.
No it is to ask yourself, what is side pressure, what is back pressure the simple cup and more and then specifically train what you want to be stronger at on the table or in the gym.
I am a toproller or now more cupping toproller.
I trained side pressure wrong for a long time and did not know how to use it, then I trained it correct over 2 time in the gym over a week and bang I could beat every one at the next practice I were at, not because I got much stronger, but my body was told how to use side pressure on command.
And I can say one thing side pressure is pretty cool.
It's more like 60 40. Table time is where the skill is developed while weightlifting increases the ability to utilize those skills. Someone very skilled against someone way stronger is getting smashed. That's how it is in lots of sports.
Si se llega a un nivel técnico bueno no necesitas mucho tiempo en mesa.
I feel like gym training is useful for improving specific weaknesses and increasing specific strengths, and table time teaches you how to use and improve those strengths through technique. If you always lose a certain aspect of technique like elbow angle or side pressure etc, gym lifts can help focus on those with specific targeting, since sometimes it can be hard to focus on just one aspect on table. You can accurately choose the resistance and angle without needing to rely on another person.
Yes, plus you can track your progress easier.
Ray spot on. I enjoyed this video
I know its different for anybody but for me lifting weight (armwrestling specific exercises) helps alot
Good afternoon boys amazing video
Weightlifting >can< translate to table strength, but just because it can it doesn't mean it will.
If you want to get the greatest benefits from weightlifting, then first get a feeling of how it feels to have your arm in ALL positions on the table and THEN try and emulate that kind of pressure with weights.
For example, you can't expect to get stronger in all areas if you just do hammer curls or bicep curls. Because what those exercises do is basically train your ability to bring your arm closer to your own body.
Hammer and bicep curls make it much harder for your opponent to open up your arm, but opening up your arm is only one of the ways to win at armwrestling. And there are a dozen.
Hammer curls and bicep curls have little to no translation to side pressure for example.
So you both are right. If you have new PRs in positions that matter in armwrestling, then it WILL translate. If you have a PR in a position that you'll never see in armwrestling then it's completely worthless.
It’s definitely weightlifting look who’s above the pinnacle of Armwrestling it’s Levan who out lift everybody!
Ya, definitely its a thing obviously.
Omg , you leave it on a cliffhanger when I'm thinking , hey thats my workout routine .
Both arm wrestling AND weight lifting is best. Always. Getting stronger is always better.
Not really. Where you apply your effort is what is important. Where you’re applying some effort is always going to mean less effort somewhere else.
For example doing super heavy cheat curls is going to be hard on recovery, that effort could have been applied to something more specific.
“Getting stronger” doesn’t really mean anything. Strength is specific.
@@joshnosirname9924 If 2 people train fingers, wrists, forearms equally and are equally strong in those 3 areas then the winner will be who is strongest in all the other traditional gym lifts. The difference happens when one person does all the arm wrestling exercises and defeats someone who does 500 pound bench press. This is not a fair comparison....
@@natcalabrese that’s not how it works because it’s not solely a strength sport. They could be equal in strength in all of those areas and one could still be dominant over the other due to skill/ coordination/ explosiveness/ table IQ. We see this all the time in armwrestling.
@@joshnosirname9924 I understand what you are saying, but this conversation here seems to be about "strength" and comparing different "strengths" weather its arm wrestling specific strengths or over all body strength and how they translate on the table.... Of course when all things are equal then psycology/speed/coordination etc are a factor of course....but with respect to muscle and body strength i would like to see for example a Devon Larratt gain more fundamental strength to go along with his amazing arm wrestling skills. Devon doesnt believe this so he does not concentrate at all on traditional gym lifts and has done amazing with what he has done.... But can you imagine the same Devon today who could also bench press 575 pounds instead of his 275 pounds???.
It actually is a strength sport 🤣
There both part of it but getting stronger in the right postions an place is the importent thing gettin strong in ways that translate to the table
Ray of Rage great content with the OG Janis
By no means am I saying I am a professional but at now age 40, I've been working hard with my hands and arms for nearly 30 years. From carrying heavy bags of newspapers, pulling pallet trucks full of food, brushing, mopping, sawing wood, using wrenches and screwdrivers to fix bikes and cars, lifting bricks, paving stones, rocks, pushing wheelbarrows, carrying ladders, climbing trees, climbing ropes as well as pumping iron in the gym from all different angles and grip training. Over time all these muscles and tendons become stronger. They really strengthen the wrists in ways other things can't because of the level of tension used. Old man strength is real!
I just tried to explain old man strength to a girl at work. She didn't get it so I just showed her my tendons lmao
@@FermentedGrumpyGrapeSqueezit LOL my what lovely tendons you have
Hey guyz the sound is crazy good... new mic 🎤?
The simple answer here is can you use that strength potential on the arm wrestling table
Best way to know if you are getting stronger with weights for Armwrestling is the table
I dont think you need to do 1RM lifts
love you guys. but for some reason i cant not think about Hans and Franz when listening.
Ray finally out-angled Janis 💪 The student has become the Jedi.
Like Devon, he is at certain liftings terrible, but in key positions at the top!
That’s what Devon’s been trying to say all this time.
struggling to improve my strength and set new prs. what am i lacking? i guess protein intake. i do pushups, pull ups, and dumbell work everyday. (edit: i literally spam pull ups because i feel they have good carryover to arm wrestling, i increase my reps because i've lowered body fat% but i dont know how to increase raw strength)
2 small bison steaks has 80 grams of protein or try sunflower seed kernels, 1 table spoon is about 6 grams of protein
sir i want to know how can i stop top roll or how can i handle it i am 14 year old and my friends use it against me please help
Every time i try to top roll someone , head of ulna hurts so much, all pink side forearm, any solution ?
PLEASE 🙏😇 Would you consider a videos series " showing the best options if cupping is strongest, what to do? If rise is strongest what to do? If biceps, if pec,..." would that be helpful to beginners??? It would help me for sure!!
I mean if I only have cupping, what should I do? I know... Getting stronger but a clear example would be a good video I think AND it would help me 😇
Ok get stronger... Thanks
John comes up a lot when folks talk about lifting weights. It's true that the man has never been a fan of weight lifting and hasn't done much with any regularity but he did try it back in the day.. increasing his bench press from 200 to 400 in a matter of months but found that he was pretty much the same arm wrestler. So he didn't continue.
Now..fast forward to the mid 2000s when the sport started to change with more money and far more muscular guys coming on the scene, John got back into weight lifting a bit to acquire some mass..
Yo Ray. Video quality is perfect really on point. But audio quality is idn meh...
Coach is that you in Anatoly last video?
For me the most important thing is being safe and methodical and not just for social media and shits and giggles, you can do all the PR’s and lifting you want if it takes out of armwrestling it’s all useless, like what happened to Zaur, the guy was so close to getting a big match and then he got hurt playing that game.
The most important thing is progressive overload on the arm wrestling lifts and the second thing is have fun! Keep that up and you will 100% get better at arm wrestling
How many sets and reps should one do for wrist curls? They never said
@@puggles56 I do 7 sets of wrist curls pyramid style, which means you’re increasing weight each set on wrist curls are usually go up to about a 3 rep max
@@LeviPrince777 I'll try that, thanks 👍
Your title mistook people who wrote comments before watching video.
Can we just admit, that a lot of elite pullers are focused on "ego" lifts?) I don`t see that much wrist curls records in great form or side pressure
Imagine if they focused on Table time and sharpen their skills? They would be dangerous because their strength already has a very strong base.
@@viktore7369 ssshhhhh 😂
I would of liked to hear what lifts you feel are the most important. Sounded like you said bicep curls are not that important.
Biceps curls are not that important in armwrestling, this is why most armwrestlers smoke most bodybuilders because armwrestling is mostly a forearm sport, not a biceps sport.
It depends how you utilize the Bicep. Irakli and Levan are known for bicep curling a lot (160kg for reps) and they utilize and leverage their Lat dragging strength with amazing Bicep curling and hammer strength at the same time. Lat drag by itself beats Bicep but equal Lat strength vs someone with a stronger Bicep? The person with stronger Bicep wins.
Levan responded to this but lifting 165x3
Most important things are genetics and roids. If you have both of these things then you'll get better whether you're lifting weights or pulling on table.
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This video was pointless. You need both. Period.
arm wrestling is weight pulling/pushing, quite literally weightlifting in a sense. thinking otherwise is silly. with that logic brain shaw or mitchell hooper wouldn't be a good linebacker or something. there is technique involved but let's be serious, it's not rocket science, or chess, etc.
Table time is good of course but it's not constant and measurable. You might pull 10 weaklings one week, and 10 strong guys the next. This is why weightlifting is so important and beneficial. Constant, measured, always pushing your best and growing.
John Brzenk doesn't count that guy is a freak of nature and the goat for a reason. We are talking about normal humans here.
I do think tracking PR’s is important in arm wrestling specific lifts because you want to know you are getting stronger. Just gauging your strength off other humans isn’t always the best because they are always getting stronger or weaker as well. A combination of both is key.
At the end Ray is talking about this guy who wants to get stronger in wrist curls, doing 4 sets of 10, 2 times a week and wondering why he isn't getting stronger. What does he mean, is that not enough?
Good question. I was also wondering. I personally would say that this is not a totally stupid aproach. The question is a little bit, how sore do you get from them? Sounds like a training you get a lot of soreness. And on the other hand, were are the max lifts like that to really see if you get stronger?!
2 sets of any thing per week won't get you results, far too long inbetween sessions to carry over the gains and muscle memory.
@@zGJungle It's 8 sets... :-)
In this case it would be 8 sets per week
You DO get stronger and muscles will grow from that, but it's not the same tension and stress put on your bones, tendons and muscle that Table Time offers. John Brzenk the GOAT is known for having mainly table time and he is still near the top of his game in whatever weight class he competes in.
Ray 'Arm wrestling is not weight lifting'. Levan 'hold my beer'
11:10 i thought for a sec he was gonna say break ur arm 💀💀
We should combine both and then the result gonna be dangerous
Wait, are you saying that if I deadlift 260kg, I still might NOT be able to win a tournament??
When you work your pronation with that Kettlebell, are you not lifting a weight? Just refined exercise for a purpose. No? There is a rope behind you in the video that is hooked up to a pulley system that lift's weights. Just my 2 bits like Emilio Estevez.
Devon showed that table time alone doesn't cut it in the supers. You need heavy specific lifting, table time, eat a shit ton and roid hard.
Arm wrestling is armwresting now that being said if your good very good at arm wrestling and you can lift alot it helps. Obviously training will always be better on the table. If that power cannot translate to the table then its usless.
Straight is never a weakness
CAPTAIN BICEPS LIFTS 150KG, CAN YOU???
Look at the worlds strongest arm wrestler, Levan! How does he train? Obviously he is doing something rite.
Same reasoning that makes people disregard education. They don't seem to get that smart plus educated is better than just smart. Same goes for technique in sport. Supplement talent with strength and conditioning to get to the next level. Clearly expertise matters though... it would be silly to suggest otherwise
If lifting weights weren’t important, why are most of the very top guys strong in the gym.
It’s an advantage to be strong, and if you learn the angles and technique, now you have an even greater advantage.
Its not but 100% of top guys lift weights because its the most effective way of training for aw because its strength sport once you know how to move (zaur)
I try not to count a rep if the form completely breaks down. That’s just ego
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Weights don't arm wrestle, very few lifts transfer to the table....
When i was 170lbs I was curling 170lbs 10x with my right arm never did me any good for armwrestling it was more ego I would just say keep a good base and do your power through armwrestling practice
You’re stronger than Levan, Irakli, and Denis combined
Stronger than everybody in the world then. Congrats with your world record!!
What you just said is what ego lifters say. Nobody and I mean nobody 170 pounds is curing 170 pounds 10 times let alone 1 🤣
They are table curls lol you guys are funny.... the you tube armwrestlers that know everything
Ray looks massive!
Its the cool guys with accents off family guy😂
So many Ill informed comments in chat. Arm wrestling is 2 forces coming together causing friction and tension. In order to beat the other opponent one must have more power/force hence having more strength. Look at Bowen as a prime example. Dudes getting massively stronger due to time in the gym AND table time.
Guys only the number one in the world can say what arm wrestling is😂
6 weeks ago I couldn't pull (90 lbs) this weight here I have posted ruclips.net/video/8Z1_vKO1JLg/видео.html I started with 80 lbs for 5 reps max.every 3 days I repeat this exercise and always get another rep or two more, is this normal? I started with 80 lbs six weeks ago , after a month I could do 22 reps, so I added 10 lbs and started all over again, I keep going up up up, so far😅😅
I have found on my AW deadlift technique that to do 2-3 reps throughout the day every 15-45 mins at 70-90lbs works very well. I can now pronate 25 lbs easily for 50+ reps per set. My advice is to keep perfect technique for your lift than to raise the weight even if you are excited.
I believe coach Ray is wrong. All aspects of strength help with arm wrestling. You can constantly work put with the same weight and reps and expect to get any better. It doesn't work like that. As Denis said. Biceps matter and the bicep isn't getting any stronger curling 25s for 30 reps. That's just working on endurance.
Prs definitely do help
youre only as strong as your cup
Janis is in trouble at AWE 2
Any reasons? - Janis 🧐🙂
@@voiceofarmwrestling Jokes 😄
lifting weights is good, just dont go full bowen
80 reps a week won't make you stronger 🤔🤔
No I won't. Ittl only break down ur muscle and cause fat loss.
If Levan is weightlifting than arm wrestling is weightlifting. 😂
Farmer who are owner of Pig farm:
So 80 reps is not enough?🤨🤣
Liar! Arm wrestling is definitely a beauty contest!
Armwrestling is weightlifting. If you want to get better at benching, you bench. If you want to get better at armwrestling, you armwrestle.
Yeah not the same brother
@@jameswebb3410 it's fine if you want to openly admit you're wrong.
@@Jdm5299 I don't think I am in this case, your analogy seems logical at first but it's wrong.
Yeah it's true that if you want to get good at bench, you bench, but that's because come competition day you're gonna do the exact same movement you've been practicing.
The same with armwrestling would be with table time and not with lifts, when you compete in armwrestling you compete against another human, you don't max out and compare the armwrestling exercises that carry over to armwrestling.
Table time is not lifting and that's why you are wrong.
@James Webb table time is lifting because if you want to be better at lifting, you do more of it to hone the skill and the practice of competing. Same with table time. You use accessories to assist the practice. Those accessories are movements that grt you stronger in such movements. You're wrong.
@@Jdm5299 Yeah, exactly, as you said yourself, all these exercises are accessories to the main practice, whereas in weightlifting the main movement you practice with weights is the same movement you'll be competing at.
That's not happening in armwrestling, you can perform as many armwrestling specific exercises as you want but they mean absolutely nothing if you don't know the correct technique, which you learn through table time.
Armwrestling is not weight lifting, lifting weights is an accessory and not the sport itself.
John Brzenk is the perfect example of that because for many years he did solely table time and zero weight lifting.And he's the GOAT.
Is arm wrestling PEDs?
Arm wrestling is weight lifting 😂😅😮 jokes
Devon larrat will destroy all the weightlifters and transform the sport of arm wrestling
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