"The Brutii branch out to Anatolia, where there are more unique factions, like the Seleucids" Cute, assuming that the Seleucids are still alive by the time you reach them as the Brutii The Bronze Age consumes all
Gave Seleucids tons of money, added a few hidden units, reduced money for other factions arround them and they still can't do a bloody thing. Even tried to experiment with faction aggressiveness but to no avail
@@tominis4444 A lot for many factions. For Seleucids I have added Amazon chariots (good autoresolve bonus), Judean Zealots (same model as desert infantry), Macedonian cavalry and dismounted cataphract phalax. Macedonians rule with them chariots but seleucids still suck. A lot of the units can be found here: www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?15809-Consolidated-%93Lost%94-Units-Project Some you have to find yourself like I did
I hope we eventually get a proper Alexander total war game or DLC. There is so much they could do with his time period if they give it enough time and resources: Update the map, extend the map (add India for example, which Alexander wanted to conquer before his army mutinied), add more factions and troops etc.
i enjoy playing the Julii because they are the main Roman Faction if you ask me, there Red the colour along with Purple, the got the most roman looking symbol as well, there also the family of the man who made Rome into an Empire Octavian. There THE Roman Faction in a way. I do agree with you on Troy i do hope this game is more Bronze Age Total War than Troy the Scripted War. The War with Troy better be big and good though otherwise it will be kind of a downer if you can sweep Troy aside like some normal settlement. I mean when Attila came in his name sake game he was a plague on earth minus the annoying three lives mechanic he got going on. But his armies where a real threat to most factions and he was a real main boss battle in a way, Hope Troy when your not playing them is like that or maybe the Spartans are like that when you are Troy.
Sadly, Shogun 2's unit roster being similar across the board is mostly accurate. Though Ikko's gun monks are interesting, as is Takeda's use of cavalry. Not because it had the best cavalry, but because it was one of the ONLY clans to use lancer cavalry. Beyond that, yeah everyone's armies in the sengoku period was the same, whith the most significant differences being the skill of the commanders themselves which isn't represented well in game.
Disagree on the Julii m8, they are actually the most replayable Roman faction. If you find them repetative just going for Barbarians all the time, simply train more armies and send them in other directions, that's what I do. They can go for the Greek lands in the east and for the Islands and North Africa, cut off the other Romans while they're at it. The Brutti meanwhile are just up against phalanxes the whole way, now THAT is boring imo.
The problem with Shogun 2, though I totally undertstand your POV, is that IA always do the same configuration for their armies. So I played the samurai, the monk and the christian gameplay styles with the same faction and all in the mix in between but the IA has always this yarimazing army that forced you to have a proper counter for them...
This is back asswards. If you say you replayed them, then they can't be the least re-playable. And lots of people have many Shogun 2 campaigns under their belt.
I get his critism, even though i love shogun 2. Mainly because of the atmosphere and the way you can use the terrain on the campaign map. But i always love huge variety in your roster(s), so i understand.
I like in game the Brutii better but actually did you do the senate missions in the first rome 1 so not remastered? I went with my julii army also everywhere. You don't have to conquer all the Barbarians you're fast in Illyria too. I don't know if I should get Rome remastered. I have Rome 2 and Attila so yeah I don't know.
I mean in the Julii’s defense...the Romans were know for fighting barbarians all the time I mean the Gallic, German and Spanish front is like playing through Julius Caesar’s eyes and that’s why I like the Julii also who wants to play as Green or Blue Romans? That’s madness!
But... But the blue guy have a wolf on their banner they symbolise remus romulus the founders if rome and plus its an easy steam roll towards cartage witch is a really good city then just cuck the shrecks out of the middle east.
Honestly, my answer to these problems is simple: get Julii, train a ship, get Apollonia before Brutii, and continue through Grecce while training another army to deal with Gauls, since they are not that hard you can manage two fronts fight. Congratulations, you just fucked those green men Brutii(simplifying the future Civil War), and made the Julii hella rich, while getting to play as true red Romans
The Scipii are my favourite roman faction actually. Mostly cuz of the banner and color but it is fun to not be in the midst of a ton of combat at the start.
Alexander seems like it could easily be fixed with a larger map (Aside for being less compressed, maybe Italy to Indus), allowance to play as Achaemenids, and more factions like Rome and Carthage
They definitely needed to fix the map, make the factions that are there playable (and add that Indian faction to the actual map) and probably make some emergent factions that can rebel from Persia and Macedon (so Greek Cities, Pontus, Armenia, Galacia, Egypt, Phonecian cities, Seleucia, Epirus)
@@Rynewulf My suggestion could be: 1. Macedon 2. Achaemenids 3. Illyria 4. Thrace 5. Dacians 6. Sarmatians 7. Dahae 8. India 9. Epirus 10. Syracuse 11. Rome 12. Carthage 13. Samnites 14. Etruscans 15. Nabatea 16. Egypt (Emergent) 17. Pontus (Emergent) 18. Armenia (Emergent) 19. Seleucia (Emergent) 20. Anatolia (Emergent) 21. Rebels With the cultures: 1. Greek 2. Barbarian 3. Steppe 4. Eastern 5. African 6. Italic 7. Indian But that's just using the limits of the original rome total war engine, making something out of the Rome 2/Attila Engine but with a new map would be great
I’ve always felt they intended the Alexander expansion to be much bigger and grander in scope, but they ran out of time or money. The whole game seems rushed and unfinished. The campaign map itself is a complete mess that looks nothing like the well-polished maps of all other Total War games. With patches and mods it could have been amazing.
When i play Julii i pick on Carthage and Greece as well, and the northern Barbarians. I mean nothing is stopping you from giving a "helping" hand to the other Romans.
@@dariocarcano1379 I once played Iberia and started by taking back the Carthaginian empire which was really fun, I fought Carthage a bit, Numidia, Romans and even Egypt, it is basically like a harder Carthage campaign after the start and it is quite fun although I made most of my armies out of mercs
@@dariocarcano1379 Parthia also has a terrible roster, their infantry is the worst in the game. And their starting point is trash, at least Iberia have mines.
One thing that could make for a good Alexander 2 game would be if they expand the map out to the west, so you could have the choice of invading Persia as Alexander historically did, ignoring Persia altogether and invading Italy instead, or trying to do both simultaneously. That would give much more replayability and a wider variety of opponents to deal with.
Tbh I’d like a total war game set just after Alexanders death with a map from Greece to Afghanistan, such that you’re fighting to restore Alexanders Empire, plus you can have a late game ‘crisis’ if you will of the full power of Rome coming from the west with multiple full stacks of top tier units
4:10 you can actually sail to the north and attack the British, therefore destroying them, and attack from the north. You have to play a cat and mouse game avoiding the British navy, managing to land in cyprus and defeating the British. Its not really that hard, but it involves a lot of savescumming.
That's what I actually did. After clearing out Egypt and capturing Cyprus, I then started advancing onto the Ottomans from both Egypt (southern route) and Syrian coast (Northern route). Once I've secured the coast with both armies, I then focus on Damascus. At the same time, I assemble a third army which sets sail across the Red Sea to the Arabian desert and captures those remote desert settlements.
To Shogun's defence, that's the point. It's a civil war game, so apart from the unique units it's all about what infrastructure you build and what style you lean into. Yes the base roster is shared, but it allows for unique army builds that are distinct by design instead of Roman swordsmen vs Gallic swordsmen
@@MelkorGG That's fair enough mate, we all have our preferences. I mean Legend hates Attila and lots of people are still avoiding the Warhammer titles out of choice rather than time/money/pc specs, despite the popularity
imo the ikko ikki stand out from the other clans here, they get an even smaller range of units to recruit and their unique unit is just ashigaru with swords.
I think it's a bit harsh to say EVERY faction in Shogun 2 plays the same. There are some more unique factions like Ikko Ikki, Hattori, Otomo that play in non-conventional ways, and the Faction specialisms do make you go in different ways (monks for Uesegi, Swords for Shimazu, No Dachi for Date, etc.) I do get it's pretty similar, but I find it fun to play as a horde type faction as the takeda, using only cav and a few shock infantry units, or going straight for gunpowder as Shimazu (Nanban trade ships are OP). The Starting positions also do have a pretty big impact, and you've got the different diplomacy, expansion, trade routes you can take. Then you've got Fall of the Samurai, where playing traditional vs playing modern is a completely different game. Maybe I'm just a big Shogun fan though. The sieges against the AI can definitely be repetitive (soooo many times shooting arrows in to kill AI troops milling around for 10 minutes) but they're repetitive in Medieval 2 aswell, as much as I love that game. Just my 2 cents anyway :)
Do you know who's MrSmartDonkeyLP? This guy is the definition of Shogun 2 can be replayabled. However yeah sometimes when I play Shogun 2 it's feels like ok north or south? And from that you set your campaign's plan even, but u can challenge yourself though. playing all cav, all katanas, all yari, all levy(FOTS).
@@armando2845 oh yeah I watch MrSmartDonkeyLP. He got me back into Shogun 2 when I took a long break from it. I do feel there's a lot more to the game than what Melkor suggests (especially with DLCs that adds cool units, clans and time periods). It's also weirdly one of the best games for Pike and Shot type battles - especially if you're playing the Oda Clan. Doesn't have all the glitches vanilla Medieval 2 has with pikes and guns, and is pretty historically accurate for the end of that era of Japan.
The DLC units/factions are basically required to make the game more interesting. My main reason for coming back to it time and again are the mods. Not only are there some nice ones out there already, but the game is super easy to mod. I've made quite a few mods myself, like making it so you can run FoTS units in RoTS (MrSmartDonkey did a brief run with that mod) or any other mixture of the 3 campaigns you want (Gods be with you if you try RoTS in FoTS) and even a total overhaul that converted at 12 factions in the Sengoku period into entirely unique historical/fantasy based clans (Dragons, Mages, Elves, Dwarves, Macedon, etc).
@@demomanchaos that sounds cool, wouldn't having FOTS units in ROTS be ludicrously easy though lol (I understand that's probably the point) And I always thought Shogun 2 was really hard to mod, besides unit reskins and the like. Are there good mods for it nowadays?
@@Arritour Generally FoTS in RoTS is fairly easy, but Levy Infantry are just as useless as ever, the loose spacing means your artillery won't be as effective, and the hills make gun units hard to use. Donkey in his run of it nearly had an army of Infintere De Marines get wiped by a fairly small garrison during an offensive siege so don't underestimate RoTS units. Download the program called "Pack File Manager." You can open game files and everything appears in a spreadsheet. Once you know what you are looking for you can do quite a lot. Like I said I did a total conversion for all 12 factions using just built-in assets (Made crossbows and slingers work) and while the "Dragons" in my mod don't look like dragons they have fully functional fire "breath" weapons. There are plenty of mods with new assets, like the Portugal Mod and one that adds China/Korea to the game (Landmass included). There is also someone working on a LoTR mod, but from what I've seen of the playable demo the balance is just fucked (intentionally so). You've also got a plethora of new units and maps on the Steam Workshop, as well as fixes/tweaks and even outright cheats. What I did to learn was open up the files for a mod and poked around to see how they did what they did, what tables they changed and how. Once you know the tables you can adjust pretty much everything you can think of. If you have time, it is certainly worth a try.
Medieval 2 total war russia LIKE THERE IS ONLY LAND AND NO ENEMIES until u arrieve at the poland and also there is no crusade or jihad to make it a little more fun but nah only trees and empty land
juli are the best looking and very replayable.You dont have to branch up north. Cock block your neighbors and take Sicily, Corsica, then move in on Carthage and the Greeks
Well, you can make your rosters in Shogun 2 a little bit more diverse by purchasing unit pack. But, that should be the main features. Also, Alexander is the laziest expansion ever (since it's just a reskinned vanilla RTW), that's why almost everything about it is boring.
I agree about Shogun 2 Total War, and I’d say Three Kingdoms falls into this pit as well - because it’s a game revolving around a civil war, most of the factions are going to be extremely similar with very little variation. This would apply to any civil war to be honest, whether it would be English Civil War, American Civil War or whatever, it is just a general flaw in games that revolve around a civil war.
My dad is a huge fan for shogun 2 total war, he put 500 hours in to rome total war but he put 1300 hours in to shogun 2 total war, he has all the dlc's (without the battle packs) but he gave me his steam account as he dosen't have yime to play as much as he had back in 2010, 2012 or 2015
I think the alexander campaign could be easily made better making the persian empire an union of different culture all satrapies of the persians and maybe adding india to be a final enemy
I know it spoils the civil war, but when playing in Rome total war I prefer to take the settlements of the rival factions. I especially enjoy taking the town square first when a rival already has the city under siege
For me, Three Kingdoms is really unreplayable. Too many factions are crowded in the N-E, making their campaigns really similar and while the unit roster is more varied than Shogun 2, some units are so strong, they become a must-have in every army. Ma Teng and the Yellow Turbans are the only truly unique factions in that game.
Warpath was for me, a disappointment. In the harder difficulties, you can’t really win against the Europeans because they have guns and line boys. They have more armies than you as well. The other Indians are generally stronger than you, so you must always support your units. Fighting outnumbered is equivalent to loss. I played it once and will never do it again :)
You can try to play Julii differently though. You can plan ahead and think in terms of the inevitable Roman civil war. Take Mediolanium, Patavium, Segesta for sure, then take Massilia because it's a good city. From then on, stop expanding to the west and work towards taking Carthage and Thapsus. Once you got those, go and try to take Athens and some of the other greek settlements. Focus on taking the rich settlements so that you get the upper hand during the civil war. That's already one way to play differently then just conquering Gaul.
Haven't players all there total wars but I definetly agree with the ones I played. Especially in shotgun 2... With every faction it's get good canons and win game.
The Celtics in total war attila would have been far more enjoyable had creative assembly decided to break up ireland and britan they are currently far too small to play in. Ireland alone would be a great opportunity to recreate the mythical legend of Niall Noígíallach an Irish king and supposedly the ancestor of the Uí Néill dynasties that would later dominate northern Ireland of the early medieval period. web.ncf.ca/es568/mapireland5thcentury.jpg www.researchgate.net/profile/Mohamed_Abdelmonem6/publication/283053602/figure/fig5/AS:668707592339461@1536443722159/th-Century-Map-of-Ireland.png Britain should have more provinces because by the late 4th century both Britiania superior and britannia inferior had been broken up into further 4 provinces, 5 if you include Valencia which was in the occupied zone between Hadrian wall and the antonine wall. It would also have been a great opporunity to make the Romano Britons playable in some fashion upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Roman_Britain_410.jpg
The reason why I enjoy shogun 2 despite of a lack of variety: the abundance of flavor. Shimazu play very different from otomo despite having the same units. It is indeed the same units over and over but in the end medieval 2 is the same. Only difference is numbers but in the end you have your lvl 1 spearman, lvl 2 and lvl 3 I thoroughly enjoy both shogun 2 and the fantasy ones but i would not say one is more diverse than the other. Warhammer 2 has a lot of visual diversity. But all my armies of every faction end up looking the same. I will always have a similar composition I've never had a need for a cav heavy army in wh compared to the takeda Never made a pike and shot army like the otomo Etc, i definitely understand the argument though!
Yea unfortunately it makes sense for Shogun 2 to have more or less same units because there's no big culture difference between the clans. Otomo, Ikko Ikki and the Sengoku Jidai pack are locked behind a paywall. However you are hardly ever gonna have the same units in each clan endgame, especially in harder difficulties, because they have different bonuses. You have to build your armies around your clan's strengths otherwise you will be outclassed or end up broke. Sadly clans such as the Tokugawa or the Hattori are just fucked.
I love my "better" Kisho Ninja with only 2 nades! So your only ace with the Tokugawa is on diplomacy, while the Hattori... well if you're good enough you can take Kyoto on turn 1 and sack it for a quick buck.
@@bouteilledeau1463 Never used kisho ninja, you are better off fielding some more cav that you have access to early as Tokugawa. Your strength are metsukes that can make you thousands of money. As for Hattori, I don't have the dlc
Let us talk Troy. I dislike the limited unit choice of Shogun 2 but I like the idea of starting as a minor clan with a single castle. Ancient Greeks had city-states, which makes for a fun start. A single city-state is trying to survive and expand by forging alliances and attacking enemies when they are weak. I just hope the map would be big enough. TW Troy is about archaic Greece, but I want classical Greece map with city-states and possibly the Great empires like Persia and Macedon.
I am a shogun 2 fan. You get four plays of the game of shogun 2. Play 1. Shimazu Play 2 Ottomo Play 3 ikko Ikki and Play 4 Oda. After that it is about multiplayer battles.
I have some disagreements 1. I just think you're wrong about the Egyptian campaign in NTW because the Italian campaign exists. there's only one branch off the story path you can take and that is heavily discouraged by the time limit and unlike the Egyptian campaign you aren't fighting anyone interesting. while there are some interesting environments at times they almost never show up. Egypt has interesting and different maps in every battle, an incredibly unique roster (even for the french), and unique attrition in the dessert mechanics. 2. how can you put all of shogun 2 here but nothing from empire. not only does ETW also have a lot of same-y rosters (not only are a lot of Europeans very similar, but most don't have any unique American or Indian units) but ETW lacks any serious challenge because the AI's an idiot. 3. I can actually get behind putting all of shogun 2 vanilla on this list because honestly it is pretty same-y. the only factions I've seriously played much are the shimazu and ikko ikki which basically means one standard faction and the only unique one. I assume however you aren't including fall of the samurai because that one is incredibly replayable. actually beyond egypt I don't have much issue with your picks, I'm just amazed that ETW isn't here and have to assume that you have simply forgotten because you have spent so little time with it.
Please don't get me wrong but your accent sounds weird and different to me, I've never heard something like this before. Where are you from if u dont mind?
I don't like the fact you included Napoleon's Egypt campaign and Alexander's campaign, I think they were meant to be railroaded, so it doesn't really count
@melkor this is a video idea and i would like this kind of video. So i have never played rome 2 or the newer total war games. The only total war games i have played are medieval 2 total war and rome total war like i just didnt give a shot to the newer ones but i REALLY enjoyed the old ones and i got pretty good at them now i started playing rome 2 but i am having difficulties because its new to me. can u do a guide video as in what should i focus on the begging to be successful or what should i avoid like include an attractive tittle and maybe you might even get more views
I've been thinking about this idea for a while. A guide for old TW fans to get into the new stuff. No clue when it will happen, as it will be difficult, but it has been on my mind lately. : )
Love your number 2 choice. Shogun 2 is a quality game in most ways - and marked a return of TW AI to the quality of the original two TW games - but it's a one campaign and you are done game for me, as Steam data suggests it was for most players.
I played Alexander more than Barbarian Invasion. If my Rome 2 campaign got 300 hours, Alexander got around 200 to 225 hours. Lot you can do once you make all factions playable in Alexander campaign and rename them to be more accurate such as Persia = Achaemenid Empire, etc.
calling Persia the Achaemenid Empire is not accurate though, the Persians and Greeks called it Persia, the term Achaemenid Empire comes from later tries at separating the 4 different empires that went under the same name but for all intents and purposes were different nations
YES! XD no. Just more available paths. Maybe a playable Persia Campaign. (I know you can Mod one in, but I mean a real, challenging one). Either way, I don't hate the game or the devs for it. They made the right call for the time. But I cannot deny it is unreplayble and I like it less because of that.
@@MelkorGG Also, do you like Countryballs AND the RUclips's channel Kings and Generals??? And their use of Attila Total War Factions' Icons to represent real life ethnicities?
@@MelkorGG To be fair Melkor a Persian Campaign in Alexander would not last long at all, i mean most of the map is already yours and Alexander would be easy to squash for a player.
"The Brutii branch out to Anatolia, where there are more unique factions, like the Seleucids"
Cute, assuming that the Seleucids are still alive by the time you reach them as the Brutii
The Bronze Age consumes all
@Pommy Pie I increased their starting money by editing the campaign text file 😅
Gave Seleucids tons of money, added a few hidden units, reduced money for other factions arround them and they still can't do a bloody thing. Even tried to experiment with faction aggressiveness but to no avail
@@I_hunt_lolis What hidden units?
@@tominis4444 A lot for many factions. For Seleucids I have added Amazon chariots (good autoresolve bonus), Judean Zealots (same model as desert infantry), Macedonian cavalry and dismounted cataphract phalax. Macedonians rule with them chariots but seleucids still suck.
A lot of the units can be found here:
www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?15809-Consolidated-%93Lost%94-Units-Project
Some you have to find yourself like I did
bronze age egypt op
I hope we eventually get a proper Alexander total war game or DLC. There is so much they could do with his time period if they give it enough time and resources: Update the map, extend the map (add India for example, which Alexander wanted to conquer before his army mutinied), add more factions and troops etc.
i enjoy playing the Julii because they are the main Roman Faction if you ask me, there Red the colour along with Purple, the got the most roman looking symbol as well, there also the family of the man who made Rome into an Empire Octavian. There THE Roman Faction in a way.
I do agree with you on Troy i do hope this game is more Bronze Age Total War than Troy the Scripted War. The War with Troy better be big and good though otherwise it will be kind of a downer if you can sweep Troy aside like some normal settlement. I mean when Attila came in his name sake game he was a plague on earth minus the annoying three lives mechanic he got going on. But his armies where a real threat to most factions and he was a real main boss battle in a way, Hope Troy when your not playing them is like that or maybe the Spartans are like that when you are Troy.
Sadly, Shogun 2's unit roster being similar across the board is mostly accurate.
Though Ikko's gun monks are interesting, as is Takeda's use of cavalry. Not because it had the best cavalry, but because it was one of the ONLY clans to use lancer cavalry.
Beyond that, yeah everyone's armies in the sengoku period was the same, whith the most significant differences being the skill of the commanders themselves which isn't represented well in game.
shogun series would benefit from a "romance" mode, where generals are great differentiated from each other, like how KOEI does it....
You can actually mod Alexander and unlock all other factions and remove the annoying scripts ( which won't let you play as them properly )...
Disagree on the Julii m8, they are actually the most replayable Roman faction. If you find them repetative just going for Barbarians all the time, simply train more armies and send them in other directions, that's what I do. They can go for the Greek lands in the east and for the Islands and North Africa, cut off the other Romans while they're at it.
The Brutti meanwhile are just up against phalanxes the whole way, now THAT is boring imo.
Great vid!
The problem with Shogun 2, though I totally undertstand your POV, is that IA always do the same configuration for their armies. So I played the samurai, the monk and the christian gameplay styles with the same faction and all in the mix in between but the IA has always this yarimazing army that forced you to have a proper counter for them...
How about a video about the top 5 Total War intros?
I like the idea : )
Shogun 2 and Napoleon would be my picks
This is back asswards. If you say you replayed them, then they can't be the least re-playable. And lots of people have many Shogun 2 campaigns under their belt.
You don't understand at all. Un-replayable means the least one would want to re-playable. It does not mean it is a literal impossibility.
I see Melkor has further escalated tensions with the Shogun 2 fanbase
Shogun 2 fanbase: "become vassal"
Melkor: *rejects offer*
Also Melkor: *Excommunicated*
I get his critism, even though i love shogun 2. Mainly because of the atmosphere and the way you can use the terrain on the campaign map. But i always love huge variety in your roster(s), so i understand.
@@LyricalStarr Melkor knows nothing but aggression, he is merciless
Med 2 campaign, maybe with a little bit more polish + Shogun battles= the perfect total war game to me
the julii are the closest thing i have to a girlfriend :(
Adel Ahsan what???
I know that feel
Relateable
Gauls always stealing the women you're interested in?
Mood somehow
Looks up at No. 5 on the list. Looks at my saved games: All Julii.
I like in game the Brutii better but actually did you do the senate missions in the first rome 1 so not remastered? I went with my julii army also everywhere. You don't have to conquer all the Barbarians you're fast in Illyria too. I don't know if I should get Rome remastered. I have Rome 2 and Attila so yeah I don't know.
I mean in the Julii’s defense...the Romans were know for fighting barbarians all the time I mean the Gallic, German and Spanish front is like playing through Julius Caesar’s eyes and that’s why I like the Julii also who wants to play as Green or Blue Romans? That’s madness!
But... But the blue guy have a wolf on their banner they symbolise remus romulus the founders if rome and plus its an easy steam roll towards cartage witch is a really good city then just cuck the shrecks out of the middle east.
Honestly, my answer to these problems is simple: get Julii, train a ship, get Apollonia before Brutii, and continue through Grecce while training another army to deal with Gauls, since they are not that hard you can manage two fronts fight. Congratulations, you just fucked those green men Brutii(simplifying the future Civil War), and made the Julii hella rich, while getting to play as true red Romans
The Scipii are my favourite roman faction actually. Mostly cuz of the banner and color but it is fun to not be in the midst of a ton of combat at the start.
@@annoyance.2583 That's what I did
@@annoyance.2583 Julii can also go for the Islands and North Africa. Imo they are actually the most replayable Roman faction!
Alexander seems like it could easily be fixed with a larger map (Aside for being less compressed, maybe Italy to Indus), allowance to play as Achaemenids, and more factions like Rome and Carthage
They definitely needed to fix the map, make the factions that are there playable (and add that Indian faction to the actual map) and probably make some emergent factions that can rebel from Persia and Macedon (so Greek Cities, Pontus, Armenia, Galacia, Egypt, Phonecian cities, Seleucia, Epirus)
@@Rynewulf My suggestion could be:
1. Macedon
2. Achaemenids
3. Illyria
4. Thrace
5. Dacians
6. Sarmatians
7. Dahae
8. India
9. Epirus
10. Syracuse
11. Rome
12. Carthage
13. Samnites
14. Etruscans
15. Nabatea
16. Egypt (Emergent)
17. Pontus (Emergent)
18. Armenia (Emergent)
19. Seleucia (Emergent)
20. Anatolia (Emergent)
21. Rebels
With the cultures:
1. Greek
2. Barbarian
3. Steppe
4. Eastern
5. African
6. Italic
7. Indian
But that's just using the limits of the original rome total war engine, making something out of the Rome 2/Attila Engine but with a new map would be great
I’ve always felt they intended the Alexander expansion to be much bigger and grander in scope, but they ran out of time or money.
The whole game seems rushed and unfinished. The campaign map itself is a complete mess that looks nothing like the well-polished maps of all other Total War games. With patches and mods it could have been amazing.
The Julii?! Seems like some1 has never played parthia or numidia
Numidia is the least replayable and the least playable
@@mulan-jinglesemusicas1513 Have you ever played as Iberia? Every campaign I played was exactly the same, and also they have a terrible roaster
When i play Julii i pick on Carthage and Greece as well, and the northern Barbarians. I mean nothing is stopping you from giving a "helping" hand to the other Romans.
@@dariocarcano1379 I once played Iberia and started by taking back the Carthaginian empire which was really fun, I fought Carthage a bit, Numidia, Romans and even Egypt, it is basically like a harder Carthage campaign after the start and it is quite fun although I made most of my armies out of mercs
@@dariocarcano1379 Parthia also has a terrible roster, their infantry is the worst in the game. And their starting point is trash, at least Iberia have mines.
One thing that could make for a good Alexander 2 game would be if they expand the map out to the west, so you could have the choice of invading Persia as Alexander historically did, ignoring Persia altogether and invading Italy instead, or trying to do both simultaneously. That would give much more replayability and a wider variety of opponents to deal with.
Tbh I’d like a total war game set just after Alexanders death with a map from Greece to Afghanistan, such that you’re fighting to restore Alexanders Empire, plus you can have a late game ‘crisis’ if you will of the full power of Rome coming from the west with multiple full stacks of top tier units
4:10 you can actually sail to the north and attack the British, therefore destroying them, and attack from the north. You have to play a cat and mouse game avoiding the British navy, managing to land in cyprus and defeating the British. Its not really that hard, but it involves a lot of savescumming.
That's what I actually did.
After clearing out Egypt and capturing Cyprus, I then started advancing onto the Ottomans from both Egypt (southern route) and Syrian coast (Northern route).
Once I've secured the coast with both armies, I then focus on Damascus.
At the same time, I assemble a third army which sets sail across the Red Sea to the Arabian desert and captures those remote desert settlements.
To Shogun's defence, that's the point. It's a civil war game, so apart from the unique units it's all about what infrastructure you build and what style you lean into. Yes the base roster is shared, but it allows for unique army builds that are distinct by design instead of Roman swordsmen vs Gallic swordsmen
I agree. That is the point, but even though I would have proably done the exact same in the devs shoes, it is still something I don't like about it
@@MelkorGG That's fair enough mate, we all have our preferences. I mean Legend hates Attila and lots of people are still avoiding the Warhammer titles out of choice rather than time/money/pc specs, despite the popularity
imo the ikko ikki stand out from the other clans here, they get an even smaller range of units to recruit and their unique unit is just ashigaru with swords.
Otomo kinda too, what with having the power of God and anime on their side.
Is the Julii unreplayable?
Melkor: well yes, but actually no
I think it's a bit harsh to say EVERY faction in Shogun 2 plays the same. There are some more unique factions like Ikko Ikki, Hattori, Otomo that play in non-conventional ways, and the Faction specialisms do make you go in different ways (monks for Uesegi, Swords for Shimazu, No Dachi for Date, etc.)
I do get it's pretty similar, but I find it fun to play as a horde type faction as the takeda, using only cav and a few shock infantry units, or going straight for gunpowder as Shimazu (Nanban trade ships are OP). The Starting positions also do have a pretty big impact, and you've got the different diplomacy, expansion, trade routes you can take. Then you've got Fall of the Samurai, where playing traditional vs playing modern is a completely different game.
Maybe I'm just a big Shogun fan though. The sieges against the AI can definitely be repetitive (soooo many times shooting arrows in to kill AI troops milling around for 10 minutes) but they're repetitive in Medieval 2 aswell, as much as I love that game. Just my 2 cents anyway :)
Do you know who's MrSmartDonkeyLP? This guy is the definition of Shogun 2 can be replayabled. However yeah sometimes when I play Shogun 2 it's feels like ok north or south? And from that you set your campaign's plan even, but u can challenge yourself though. playing all cav, all katanas, all yari, all levy(FOTS).
@@armando2845 oh yeah I watch MrSmartDonkeyLP. He got me back into Shogun 2 when I took a long break from it.
I do feel there's a lot more to the game than what Melkor suggests (especially with DLCs that adds cool units, clans and time periods).
It's also weirdly one of the best games for Pike and Shot type battles - especially if you're playing the Oda Clan. Doesn't have all the glitches vanilla Medieval 2 has with pikes and guns, and is pretty historically accurate for the end of that era of Japan.
The DLC units/factions are basically required to make the game more interesting. My main reason for coming back to it time and again are the mods. Not only are there some nice ones out there already, but the game is super easy to mod. I've made quite a few mods myself, like making it so you can run FoTS units in RoTS (MrSmartDonkey did a brief run with that mod) or any other mixture of the 3 campaigns you want (Gods be with you if you try RoTS in FoTS) and even a total overhaul that converted at 12 factions in the Sengoku period into entirely unique historical/fantasy based clans (Dragons, Mages, Elves, Dwarves, Macedon, etc).
@@demomanchaos that sounds cool, wouldn't having FOTS units in ROTS be ludicrously easy though lol (I understand that's probably the point)
And I always thought Shogun 2 was really hard to mod, besides unit reskins and the like. Are there good mods for it nowadays?
@@Arritour Generally FoTS in RoTS is fairly easy, but Levy Infantry are just as useless as ever, the loose spacing means your artillery won't be as effective, and the hills make gun units hard to use. Donkey in his run of it nearly had an army of Infintere De Marines get wiped by a fairly small garrison during an offensive siege so don't underestimate RoTS units.
Download the program called "Pack File Manager." You can open game files and everything appears in a spreadsheet. Once you know what you are looking for you can do quite a lot. Like I said I did a total conversion for all 12 factions using just built-in assets (Made crossbows and slingers work) and while the "Dragons" in my mod don't look like dragons they have fully functional fire "breath" weapons.
There are plenty of mods with new assets, like the Portugal Mod and one that adds China/Korea to the game (Landmass included). There is also someone working on a LoTR mod, but from what I've seen of the playable demo the balance is just fucked (intentionally so). You've also got a plethora of new units and maps on the Steam Workshop, as well as fixes/tweaks and even outright cheats.
What I did to learn was open up the files for a mod and poked around to see how they did what they did, what tables they changed and how. Once you know the tables you can adjust pretty much everything you can think of. If you have time, it is certainly worth a try.
You've been pumping out so many good videos lately, keep it up!
"Shogun two" annnnd you lost me.
Honestly, with Juli you can easily move to other directions. Just a ship you need.
Any Factions that you think I missed? : )
The scipii in rome 1
I would say Portugal in Med 2
There are a lot to be honest
Roxolanii in bi
Medieval 2 total war russia LIKE THERE IS ONLY LAND AND NO ENEMIES until u arrieve at the poland and also there is no crusade or jihad to make it a little more fun but nah only trees and empty land
Btw folks shogun 2 will be free for grabs from the 27th up to the 1st of may so keep that in mind
juli are the best looking and very replayable.You dont have to branch up north. Cock block your neighbors and take Sicily, Corsica, then move in on Carthage and the Greeks
Well, you can make your rosters in Shogun 2 a little bit more diverse by purchasing unit pack.
But, that should be the main features.
Also, Alexander is the laziest expansion ever (since it's just a reskinned vanilla RTW), that's why almost everything about it is boring.
laziest? naah man
I agree about Shogun 2 Total War, and I’d say Three Kingdoms falls into this pit as well - because it’s a game revolving around a civil war, most of the factions are going to be extremely similar with very little variation. This would apply to any civil war to be honest, whether it would be English Civil War, American Civil War or whatever, it is just a general flaw in games that revolve around a civil war.
You lost my interest right when you mentioned the Julii.
My dad is a huge fan for shogun 2 total war, he put 500 hours in to rome total war but he put 1300 hours in to shogun 2 total war, he has all the dlc's (without the battle packs) but he gave me his steam account as he dosen't have yime to play as much as he had back in 2010, 2012 or 2015
I think the alexander campaign could be easily made better making the persian empire an union of different culture all satrapies of the persians and maybe adding india to be a final enemy
6:13 the most unreplayable campaign is… Ad. Rise of Kingdoms
nice
As a celtic faction, you can easely conquer whole western europe and demolish the huns. Its too damn easy...
smh, my units have no diversity in Shogun 1 but I'm still okay with playing it.
Julii family known for fighting barbarians; Marius, Caesar
I know it spoils the civil war, but when playing in Rome total war I prefer to take the settlements of the rival factions. I especially enjoy taking the town square first when a rival already has the city under siege
Seeing Rome not Mine was always a eye sore for me early Game, especially because i was The True Romans.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD 100%!!
@@grantaum9677 I'm sure you will also agree that not seeing the whole map being my colour was also a eye sore.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD lol yes 😂
@@grantaum9677 By the way which is your favourite Total war and if it keeps changing which one at the moment.
For me, Three Kingdoms is really unreplayable. Too many factions are crowded in the N-E, making their campaigns really similar and while the unit roster is more varied than Shogun 2, some units are so strong, they become a must-have in every army. Ma Teng and the Yellow Turbans are the only truly unique factions in that game.
Warpath was for me, a disappointment. In the harder difficulties, you can’t really win against the Europeans because they have guns and line boys. They have more armies than you as well. The other Indians are generally stronger than you, so you must always support your units. Fighting outnumbered is equivalent to loss. I played it once and will never do it again :)
at least carthage isnt on here
You can try to play Julii differently though. You can plan ahead and think in terms of the inevitable Roman civil war. Take Mediolanium, Patavium, Segesta for sure, then take Massilia because it's a good city. From then on, stop expanding to the west and work towards taking Carthage and Thapsus. Once you got those, go and try to take Athens and some of the other greek settlements. Focus on taking the rich settlements so that you get the upper hand during the civil war. That's already one way to play differently then just conquering Gaul.
Haven't players all there total wars but I definetly agree with the ones I played.
Especially in shotgun 2... With every faction it's get good canons and win game.
The Celtics in total war attila would have been far more enjoyable had creative assembly decided to break up ireland and britan they are currently far too small to play in. Ireland alone would be a great opportunity to recreate the mythical legend of Niall Noígíallach an Irish king and supposedly the ancestor of the Uí Néill dynasties that would later dominate northern Ireland of the early medieval period.
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Britain should have more provinces because by the late 4th century both Britiania superior and britannia inferior had been broken up into further 4 provinces, 5 if you include Valencia which was in the occupied zone between Hadrian wall and the antonine wall. It would also have been a great opporunity to make the Romano Britons playable in some fashion
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What if they made the map bigger and and brought Rome age civilizations and you had do byzantine while expanding to the east?
Seleucid empire in every total war,much easy campaign
Shogun 2 total war china and korea mod huh?
I understand that you are a Total war boomer because you said Attila total war and not Total war Attila
How the sasanids from rtw barbarian invasion are not in the list?!
The reason why I enjoy shogun 2 despite of a lack of variety: the abundance of flavor.
Shimazu play very different from otomo despite having the same units. It is indeed the same units over and over but in the end medieval 2 is the same. Only difference is numbers but in the end you have your lvl 1 spearman, lvl 2 and lvl 3
I thoroughly enjoy both shogun 2 and the fantasy ones but i would not say one is more diverse than the other.
Warhammer 2 has a lot of visual diversity. But all my armies of every faction end up looking the same. I will always have a similar composition
I've never had a need for a cav heavy army in wh compared to the takeda
Never made a pike and shot army like the otomo
Etc, i definitely understand the argument though!
Yea unfortunately it makes sense for Shogun 2 to have more or less same units because there's no big culture difference between the clans. Otomo, Ikko Ikki and the Sengoku Jidai pack are locked behind a paywall. However you are hardly ever gonna have the same units in each clan endgame, especially in harder difficulties, because they have different bonuses. You have to build your armies around your clan's strengths otherwise you will be outclassed or end up broke. Sadly clans such as the Tokugawa or the Hattori are just fucked.
I love my "better" Kisho Ninja with only 2 nades! So your only ace with the Tokugawa is on diplomacy, while the Hattori... well if you're good enough you can take Kyoto on turn 1 and sack it for a quick buck.
@@bouteilledeau1463 Never used kisho ninja, you are better off fielding some more cav that you have access to early as Tokugawa. Your strength are metsukes that can make you thousands of money. As for Hattori, I don't have the dlc
I hate Shogun and Three Kingdoms.
Let us talk Troy. I dislike the limited unit choice of Shogun 2 but I like the idea of starting as a minor clan with a single castle. Ancient Greeks had city-states, which makes for a fun start. A single city-state is trying to survive and expand by forging alliances and attacking enemies when they are weak. I just hope the map would be big enough. TW Troy is about archaic Greece, but I want classical Greece map with city-states and possibly the Great empires like Persia and Macedon.
I am a shogun 2 fan. You get four plays of the game of shogun 2. Play 1. Shimazu Play 2 Ottomo Play 3 ikko Ikki and Play 4 Oda. After that it is about multiplayer battles.
I have some disagreements
1. I just think you're wrong about the Egyptian campaign in NTW because the Italian campaign exists. there's only one branch off the story path you can take and that is heavily discouraged by the time limit and unlike the Egyptian campaign you aren't fighting anyone interesting. while there are some interesting environments at times they almost never show up. Egypt has interesting and different maps in every battle, an incredibly unique roster (even for the french), and unique attrition in the dessert mechanics.
2. how can you put all of shogun 2 here but nothing from empire. not only does ETW also have a lot of same-y rosters (not only are a lot of Europeans very similar, but most don't have any unique American or Indian units) but ETW lacks any serious challenge because the AI's an idiot.
3. I can actually get behind putting all of shogun 2 vanilla on this list because honestly it is pretty same-y. the only factions I've seriously played much are the shimazu and ikko ikki which basically means one standard faction and the only unique one. I assume however you aren't including fall of the samurai because that one is incredibly replayable.
actually beyond egypt I don't have much issue with your picks, I'm just amazed that ETW isn't here and have to assume that you have simply forgotten because you have spent so little time with it.
Please don't get me wrong but your accent sounds weird and different to me, I've never heard something like this before. Where are you from if u dont mind?
I dont like shogun 2 its shit
I don't like the fact you included Napoleon's Egypt campaign and Alexander's campaign, I think they were meant to be railroaded, so it doesn't really count
It was many years ago, but I'm almost positive you can go around the Black Sea in Alexander. Not that it changes much.
Spain in Rome total war is my least favorite faction. It’s roster is terrible and because of that terribleness you really only can go north.
@melkor this is a video idea and i would like this kind of video. So i have never played rome 2 or the newer total war games. The only total war games i have played are medieval 2 total war and rome total war like i just didnt give a shot to the newer ones but i REALLY enjoyed the old ones and i got pretty good at them now i started playing rome 2 but i am having difficulties because its new to me. can u do a guide video as in what should i focus on the begging to be successful or what should i avoid like include an attractive tittle and maybe you might even get more views
I've been thinking about this idea for a while. A guide for old TW fans to get into the new stuff.
No clue when it will happen, as it will be difficult, but it has been on my mind lately. : )
4:23 the work you are looking for is Pre-Determined
omg not only this accent is unlistenable, even the content is bullcrap
The Huns on Attila. 100% felt boring and didn’t have a purpose
Yeah better as a evil Boss Faction than a player faction.
900,000 hours is 102 years.
bro, do the best mods ever
Julii? You ever tried playing Scythia? God almighty that is a boring campaign.
XD Yes, but at least they are unique.
@@MelkorGG fair point
Melkor Mancin comics
Nice! 👏
what accent is that? :D
Yorkshire, Northern England
@@MelkorGG thx for the quick reply!
Love your number 2 choice. Shogun 2 is a quality game in most ways - and marked a return of TW AI to the quality of the original two TW games - but it's a one campaign and you are done game for me, as Steam data suggests it was for most players.
Rome Total War's default isn't a good game respecting the map distribution, some territories are too long, and others are very small.
I played Alexander more than Barbarian Invasion. If my Rome 2 campaign got 300 hours, Alexander got around 200 to 225 hours. Lot you can do once you make all factions playable in Alexander campaign and rename them to be more accurate such as Persia = Achaemenid Empire, etc.
calling Persia the Achaemenid Empire is not accurate though, the Persians and Greeks called it Persia, the term Achaemenid Empire comes from later tries at separating the 4 different empires that went under the same name but for all intents and purposes were different nations
what you expect from ALEXANDER? to go and conquer rome?
YES!
XD no. Just more available paths. Maybe a playable Persia Campaign. (I know you can Mod one in, but I mean a real, challenging one).
Either way, I don't hate the game or the devs for it. They made the right call for the time. But I cannot deny it is unreplayble and I like it less because of that.
@@MelkorGG Do you like Attila Total War Mods??
(like Imperium Total War:Ageless Empire, 1212 AD, etc)
@@diegoragot655 Yes, and I do plan to get into the 1212 much more on the channel.
@@MelkorGG Also, do you like Countryballs AND the RUclips's channel Kings and Generals???
And their use of Attila Total War Factions' Icons to represent real life ethnicities?
@@MelkorGG To be fair Melkor a Persian Campaign in Alexander would not last long at all, i mean most of the map is already yours and Alexander would be easy to squash for a player.