It's Snapshotting... But Worse! New Tech With Potential to BREAK Content Once We Figure it Out!
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Just wanted to say I took the plunge and swapped from shadow minion to your pure blight build and I'm having waaaay more fun and it's twice as powerful. Getting to use not 1, but THREE uniques and not only be viable but omega-nuking everyone feels really great. Trying to get a shako to tie it all together!
What Uniques? Link to build?
It seems to be working with X'fal's. Just tested it on my blizzard sorc. Dropped a ton of blizzards with starless equipped then swapped to X'fals and it immediately started popping a bunch of additional AoE's from the blizzard dot and burning damage. I'd imagine it would work the same on necro if you stacked a ton of sources of shadow damage then swapped to X'fal's.
I have a neck with the coldbringer aspect that makes my mages cast blizzard that I use for Helltide. I can swap off from that neck to hardened bones and the mages will still cast the blizzard and I'll still get the damage reduction. I think the mages have to be resummoned to lose the effect, or when you load into a new area they will lose it. I think there might be other ways to cheese things like this if it takes resummoning to change certain effects on minions
Why is is this guy a way better tester than anyone employed by the Diablo people ? Give Mac a job allready let’s get him fat paid.
lmao blizzard pays their quality control/test people shit
@@irgamaizcool no not with the kind of money Blizzard makes they are probably throwing it around recklessly. Dumping money into every thing that is a problem hoping money will fix things when the real issue is staffing. We simply need better people in charge.
@jf2849 it's pretty well documented that your statement is not true.
These maxroll gg players should just test every major patch
Might as well. They already play games for a living.
Good thing Pit doesn't allow gear change just to make sure that any snapshotting like this doesn't work in there.
I think the easiest benefit is to have ultimate shadow in 2h and use bone storm and then swapping to 1h and offhand and have the aspect that eats corpses to extend the duration.
Shadow Bonestorm with the aspect that prolongs duration would give a very long dot effect that perhaps could benefit from a swap to something "Damage to shadow over time affected" ?
If D4 would have magicfind, we would have double Ali-Babas on swap the second before boss kill.
Insightful video! Similarly, I switched gear last season to have faster boots on during Uber Lilith’s second phase. It’d be unfortunate if that was disabled!
My favorite channel to come to when I want to know what time it is, but instead get told how a clock is made. :)
This is the most specific compliment I've ever received. Thank you.
Gratz on 50k always great content thanks!!
Snapshotting besides pre-calculating damage value requires to store state in memory, even briefly, for each damage instance or if done properly for each recent player state change, like equiping gear, buffs, w/e, that affects spells (which is another complicated matter to determine and maintain), this is performance disaster, potential source of mem leaks and overall increased processing - cpu time does not come free, contrary to popular belief. It is something, most likely, that we will have to live with, unless devs want to shoot another own foot. Also system to create, update and dispose of data stuctures containing only useable properties of state snapshot, is whole another system, that must be maintained manually along mechanics and class changes, and is another point of failure.
Not really something useful to this but I found an interesting interaction with blood lance. Apparently blood lance remains on targets for the full duration even after they die which causes the aspect that increases damage to the primary lanced target to continue to deal that extra damage for as long as the lance remains on the dead monster. TLDR; the original blood lance aspect can gain bonus damage off of dead monsters
I think there's a fairly simple fix for these issues. Just don't allow gear swaps in combat.
Between fights? Go nuts with changing out your gear. In combat? No swaps allowed.
Problem with that is, when are you considered “in combat?” Is it anytime you’re not in a town? Like if you’re in a dungeon and just standing there, and a skeleton attacks you and he dies because you have thorns, was that in combat? It gets weird. Obviously you want to allow players to switch gear while in a dungeon for example
3-5 seconds out of combat, giving or receiving damage. This time elapse alone makes it nearly impossible to exploit.
I wouldn't call this snapshots. It's just a gear swap.
That just weird, I've never seen that. The only thing I can think of, is like in D3 where you can save your builds in town and teleport and switch out.
i think a good fix for gear swap tech is to have a cooldown on the aspects not being active for 5 or 10 seconds after swapping that gear piece, it would stop people from changing gear mid fight
Games like Guild Wars 2 have an "In Combat State" - basically every time you hit or get hit by a mob, you are put into "combat" until a few seconds after either the mob dies, is leashed, etc., - which locks you out of making any changes to your character, such as changing skills or gear.
although it would be equally as underwhelming, i think that if there was a phase of a fight that was tougher... maybe someone could swap to a defensive, like the one that gives the invuln bubble/dome. or swap something briefly for a burst window, easier phase etc.
grats on 50k :)
Should honestly be a lot more. Videos are good, the stream is good. He engages with his audience regularly and is generally one of the more level headed and entertaining content creators for this game
So you can swap to Osseus Gale 2h and increase bonestorm for longer shielding in a boss fight if you dont have the cooldown reduction
It begs the question! "Do you want Bananas!" ? lol Love it Thank you sir!
what if they took concept from the pit, and make it so when your engaged in combat it locks u into your current gear and spec. preventing snapshotting
Has anyone figured out the massive benefits of having a different character do the tempering on your gear etc? Seems a huge oversight.
Wdym? Like for different tempers? I’m sad I have to make a rogue just for dex rolls to hit my obviously overlooked paragon requirements.
@thethumblessn00b19 Correct. A rogue can temper a weapon with huge critical strike damage. It's being done currently with huge results. Lots of leg work sadly
Like Magic Find in Diablo 2, drops are based on equipment when the monster dies?
Would this gear swapping work with the Lidless Wall? If it does, you can run 2H and swap to Lidless for infinite BS. Or swap lidless with offhand that has the “Consume corpse to extend BS duration” Thoughts?
Since we talking open world and no leader board or The Pit. I understand some people do crazy thing to level and get gear...I am just thankful we just got rid of the snap shooting bananza we had in season 2-3. In some way I like to say its a single player game if you willing to go to theses length you probably buying gold, and scan the web for any glitch out there and probably going to find it either way. It suck we had to (like in sports) when someone do something great. We ask our self?! *Did he cheat or not* really hate this discussion. So To answer your question ... Please let us stop the snapshooting before somone FINDS a way!! I can live with Holy Bolt *LoL* but this is waaaaay out there to be honest. Even though even I played D2..
it's probably on Bliz radar but cannot do anything about it yet as it requires time or resources they probably don't have atm as working on other things (shop cosmetics for example lol)
Man I'm so glad the algorithm gave me your channel. I'm on your shadowblight minion build and I'm slapping tier 80+ pits without incense, holy bolt, or elixirs. Like slapping bitches around.
subbed, because this is my favorite kind of content :)
interesting info, grats on 50k!
can we snapshot osseus gale on a two hander for 1 minute of bone storm
I'm curious, how is this any different than Northwars use of gear swapping in S1 with blizzard, ice shards and the aspect of control?
Ice spikes**
Swapping gear between boss phases is a much different thing than using one weapon to trigger an effect, then swapping to a different weapon to further modify the outcome of that effect.
would Unyielding Commander aspect snap shot from this?
Big damage Bone storm and then swapping to lidless wall?
So I can swap out my armor with +Golem skills for something else and I would keep the +4?
maybe I'm stupid but isn't this the opposite of a snapshot? if the game would consistently and only register the gear you have equipped and passives you took dynamically, snapshots wouldn't exist... right? ^^ as long as you don't keep the damage from the "high dps gear setup" it seems to me like it should work like that
Hey macro, what about shield snapshotting. Like in hardcore where we always want to use a shield for the block and damage reduction. Could I always have the shield on, then when I go to cast a skill: swap to off hand, cast, swap back to shield (also what about snap shotting lidless wall for the extra storms during any normal bone storm?)
This has been a known issue since launch. They struggle with snap shotting but the best fix is to cover their basis of making it less possible to exploit.
Rogues can temper crit dmg on more items than other classes. Use this to have loads of it. Have fun with Grandfather?
Crit dmg on gear is just additive dmg like every other +dmg affix
the whole swapping of gear has been major problem since launch. sorcs doing stagger and then swapping gear for dps on Lilith i still remember from launch. simple fix. only allow change of gear in town.
That would be cancer when leveling.
@grawr3534 only require at level 100
@@grawr3534 people always give useless suggestions to stop 0.1% of the population that would affect 99%
Defiantly leave it alone who cares tbh.
I saw that pop up for mendo logging in at 4:55. Lol
And people wonder why loadouts haven’t made it into the game yet. It’s can see that being abused big time with snapshotting.
Diablo 3 demon hunter rapid fire build swapping from 2 hander to 1 hander to reach breakpoint.
Hi make a build for pits lv 120+ with minions
congrats on 50k!
Congrats on the 50K Mac
Just like FFXI. We need a Diablo 4 “Windower” to swap gear for us!
This sounds like a very easy fix. On ps5 it appears that when I open character screen, I cannot access anything in combat screen like PC players seem to. So.. lock it down. If character screen is open make it so you cannot interact with combat. So.. yes. You will die (and I have). Maybe I'm wrong and just suck. PC is why we cannot have nice things. Lol
Bone Spirit build guide soon I hope??
if we can't do snapshot on minions that's useless, on whatever content.
People keep asking for an armory, and if that includes a one-button swap of gear (and skills), snapshotting like this becomes much more viable.
wouldnt be too hard to add "cant swap armor if dealt/taken damage in the last 30 seconds"
Aye lets go. Thanks for testing it.
I see the bleed barb use this on tormented bosses already
I am pretty confused. This is exactly what I expected to happen, well I actually expected the opposite because of the snapshotting in the title. This is not snapshotting, this is the opposite, of course a DOT effect should for every damage instance respect the current character stats/skills whatever. It would be snapshotting, if it didn´t do that and everything would be fixed at the cast time. And as you said "buff sticks" are quite core to the Diablo franchise back from Diablo 2 where it was even encouraged with the weapon swap mechanic. So the question is, what is the problem?
Aint nobody got time for that Nonsense! 😂😂
Pc players got it made, being able to cast skills while inventory is open.
Console copium
Shadow Wave guide?
Well he is a Necromancer right😂😂😂😂😂 ppl don’t cry when Blizzard F up the Necro again. Cause this video is not just for the players but for Blizzard themselves
They cant fix Necro pets not to be bots they are...if you keep sending them all this stuff,they gonna fuck up Necro completely and its gonna be unplayable.
You are releasing content every few hours. You gonna ran out of it and burn out quickly like that Jon Snow looking guy before D4 was released.
as much i dont give a hot turd about really min maxing and hate snapshotting with a burning passion . i can appreciate that we have people like you to test the game quite thoroughly and ultimately get rid of some bugs potentially
how can I optimize your shadow minion necro build more
Try things and see what sticks. I don't make unoptimized builds, but you might be trying something beyond what I imagined the build to do.
@@MacroBioBoi its definitely not unoptimized . I've pushed to pit 114 with it but im just thinking of dropping bone storm entirely and going aod
@@k4mbglocc ahh for pit pushing specifically, yes you need to drop bone storm and pick up AoD with unyielding.
as soon as they figure it out.... they will do like GR in d3 for ladders, pits, gauntlet... once in combat force lock everything about ya toon easy fix some games already do that even in world combat lol
so the damage/bonuses/LH/whatever is calculated every tick of a dot instead of when it was first cast (like in League of Legends, to name an example off the top of my head). That seems like a dseign choice to me, and not a bug. I would suspect that if you swapped out a high dmg weapon with crappy stats for a low dmg weapon with awesome stat, the high duration cast you're casting would suffer in overall damage.
What you could test is interesting stuff like shadowblight procs from ultimate shadow, does bone storm stop being a shadow skill if you swap out the imprint? If yes, the scope of potential issues with this thing would be very limited (mainly to LH stuff?), if it still applies there could be a possibility to trigger more imprints than you can fit in a normal gear loadout and would probably need to be at least acknowledged by devs
I would not consider what I did to beat Lilith as "snapshotting", but the fact we can swap gear in a fight let me move faster with Blood Mist during the second phase after burning her down. I just had to dodge the last 6 one shot mechanics and watch her die when the platform dropped.
During the beta I became bored enough I wanted to min max and had 3 pieces I would swap out, including my weapon to empower blood wave and the blood surge echo aspects on two handed scythes. When release happened I didn't feel like going through that effort again though. I didn't even think it could go this far
Sounds like a lot of work
Why bother with testing when you have streamers doing it for free 😂
Love the content, but you posit questions like Tucker Fing Carlson!
Fuck Tucker Carlson, I'm channeling veritasium here.
Okay, well you're now officially my hero! Thanks for all of your quality work.
AHK scripts incoming :D (careful, potentially bannable)
i aint doin allat
gear swap macro attached to your abilities meta inc, my god.
Who cares - who would waste time trying to use exploits. Just play the game
eh who cares
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Gg!
Dude go touch grass!!
Who even have time to make 2 set of item and devote alot of apm just for a boss kill, especially when stygian iron drop rate is super low. Such a long video for such a limit amount of information