They fill different roles and condotierros dont require you to spend resources on any of their upgrades you get them straight from the box in imperial age Legionaries get +4 against infantry that gives them edge over other infantry condotierros get +10 against gunpowder and also are much faster than legionaries (Condotierro 1.20 movement speed )( legionaries 0.9 movement speed) i also wonder how much % of bonuses does centurion give to the legionaries it doesnt show how much on the wiki
@@-2weeks901 I believe he referes that historically, condos should be like the upgraded modern age version of the legionaries, yet they loose to its former version
I sorta assumed they’d still be considered a unique unit like the Condo but I guess not, which is probably for the best since Japanese would be an obscene hard-counter to their core military composition.
Taking into consideration, this is without their charge ability they get in Imperial Age Unique Tech & the support of a Centurion. Also- I find it rather fitting they trounce any of the "barbarian" civilsations unique units they would have historically been pitched against (Celts, Goths, Huns, Vikings), when the Romans were at the pique of their power of course, rather than their decline.
@@charleswain6124 Today I learned the Burgundians are a lot older a civilisation than I thought. I didn't realise they were as far back as the old Germanic Tribes during the time of the Roman Empire. I thought they were a bit more recent originally.
@@acarrot589 they did some people who have early acess show on youtube but goths have canon geleon aswell but that canon galeon added in tech tree is bug
Giving the Byzantines legionnaires would be like giving the US British redcoats in a game about modern warfare. The Byzantine infantry was almost exclusively light infantry which is why they get bonuses for spearmen and skirmishers. They honestly probably shouldn't even get champion.
I think mixing in one centurion into the infantry formation (I assume Romans will at least try to keep their militia line buffed) would turn some of the losses into wins.
They're not a bad unit but I do really wish Woad Raiders had more to them as a unit. They're 'slightly fast infantry in an entire army of slightly fast infantry'. Seeing the sort of love that units like Legionaries now get makes me kinda wish Woad Raiders had more identity.
I reckon they should've changed them long ago to a Highlander with a claymore that could maybe have an area of effect attack and high movement speed. Something inbetween a battle elephant and a shotel warrior
tbh just because they beat some units here dosen't mean they'll beat them in an actual game.for example the mangudais just stay still here but in a real game they'll hit and run and 1 on 1 the legionary won't even be able to touch it.but here we can see their stats and how much damage the can do/take.
Legionaries aren't in the UU armour class. Maybe they could decrease samurai's cost slightly but regardless it has a specific niche as being a trashbuster like a champion only better by being able to destroy other unique units.
A legionaire beating a Samurai 1v1 is the biggest shit on history ever. The Samurai are notoriously 1v1 experts since a lot of their training consisted of just that. So many other parts of this game is so inaccurate that its also disgusting
What is this you dont know what your talking about Samurai were not specifically trained for 1v1 they were trained in many things social etiquette & War plus are you blind this was a group of Legionnaires vs a group of Samurai. You are assuming your favorite warrior would win without considering the context of the battle between the group of warriors so i stick to my original claim you dont know what your talking about. I mean Legionaries in a group like in the video is a scary thought they were notorious in a group but im not going to assume the samurai would just get stomped Biased Craig.
Legionaries beating the Condos shows that they don't make them how they used to.
Thats like saying that the Polish and their hussars suck because they can't beat Legionaries.
They fill different roles and condotierros dont require you to spend resources on any of their upgrades you get them straight from the box in imperial age
Legionaries get +4 against infantry that gives them edge over other infantry
condotierros get +10 against gunpowder and also are much faster than legionaries
(Condotierro 1.20 movement speed )( legionaries 0.9 movement speed)
i also wonder how much % of bonuses does centurion give to the legionaries it doesnt show how much on the wiki
@@-2weeks901 I believe he referes that historically, condos should be like the upgraded modern age version of the legionaries, yet they loose to its former version
@@ripper021_py That's actually kind of a cool idea lmao
@@-2weeks901 He was making a joke.
Wait, hold up, 2:20 they BEAT Samurai!? I guess that means they aren’t designated as a Unique Unit.
they in fact are not, they are a replacement for the two-handed swordsmen (and champion)
They also have somewhat of a bonus damage against infantries (+4)... Yea, it's a foregone conclusion.
I sorta assumed they’d still be considered a unique unit like the Condo but I guess not, which is probably for the best since Japanese would be an obscene hard-counter to their core military composition.
@@SirAroace Yeah it's really a unique upgrade rather than a unique unit like imperial skirmishers and winged hussars.
@@grantbeardsley278 The japanese plan of attack is not that single focused. Goths on the other hand...
Ever since that +1 range buff, the missionaries have won so many more battles it appears.
That one extra prayer doing miracles.
Teutonic Knights are just INSANE one of my favorite units in AOE2
Too bad they suck and are borderline unuseable, the unit looks so cool and fun :/
But they are too slow, i prefer legionaries
@@AmanaraDevif you consider them “borderline unusable,” then you’re not using them right (or up against a really bad matchup)
@@jordinagel1184They are almost unusable due to how slow they are. You can micro or run away from them with everything
@@Mattroid99 You can pair them up with scorpions and onagers, they are very good at guarding them,
They already seem so strong without the centurion's buffs.
Have 1 centurion standing in the back to give increased attack speed to the legionnaires. how much difference will that make in this scenario?
Also, charge attack was excluded here
Out of all the units i didn't expect the chu ko nu to be so close.
Taking into consideration, this is without their charge ability they get in Imperial Age Unique Tech & the support of a Centurion.
Also- I find it rather fitting they trounce any of the "barbarian" civilsations unique units they would have historically been pitched against (Celts, Goths, Huns, Vikings), when the Romans were at the pique of their power of course, rather than their decline.
Not the Burgundians though.
@@charleswain6124 Today I learned the Burgundians are a lot older a civilisation than I thought. I didn't realise they were as far back as the old Germanic Tribes during the time of the Roman Empire. I thought they were a bit more recent originally.
18:46 even with the +4 bonus against infantry Urumi still wipe the floor with them thanks to the insane charge attack and armour ignoring unique tech
Developers should give the legionary (and perhaps the dromon) to byzantines too
Dromon will be given to them when new dlc comes also huns and goths get it instead of canon galeon
Wonderful
@@kaponeboss8914for sure? That would be cool
@@acarrot589 they did some people who have early acess show on youtube but goths have canon geleon aswell but that canon galeon added in tech tree is bug
Giving the Byzantines legionnaires would be like giving the US British redcoats in a game about modern warfare. The Byzantine infantry was almost exclusively light infantry which is why they get bonuses for spearmen and skirmishers. They honestly probably shouldn't even get champion.
A new power is rising
I think mixing in one centurion into the infantry formation (I assume Romans will at least try to keep their militia line buffed) would turn some of the losses into wins.
It's interesting they gave them the shields of the Republic, not the Empire. Unless they were choosing that style post East West division?
As I see it looks more like a post split roman legionarie
Kinda hard to tell, but they look like late empire soldiers, although they usually used spears instead of swords
It's post divide, towards the end of rome, as shown in the campiangs
So they have problems with mesoamerican civs. 🤔
Roome is back with vengeance in mind
SOTL sweating 😥
Melee Ratha’s win was totally unexpected..
12:31
Zealot vs Zergling
They're not a bad unit but I do really wish Woad Raiders had more to them as a unit. They're 'slightly fast infantry in an entire army of slightly fast infantry'. Seeing the sort of love that units like Legionaries now get makes me kinda wish Woad Raiders had more identity.
I reckon they should've changed them long ago to a Highlander with a claymore that could maybe have an area of effect attack and high movement speed. Something inbetween a battle elephant and a shotel warrior
@@morgs5118 Highlander would be very Scottish specific but yeah, it would at least be more timely.
Legionaries and Centurions are the Chads of Medieval Rome.
next we should see how they fare with a centurion together.
You should also do Legionaries buffed by Centurions vs other unit compositions combos
Legionares coming for bizantines soon 🙌🏻
Cataphracts 🤌
I wish we would get them earlier than Imperial Age. Now we will barely ever see them, especially since Romans are better early game.
I think the Chakram Throwers have been considerably overnerfed... They were not supposed to do this bad against bunched up Infantry :/
this dlc is going to be so good
Roma Invicta!
tbh just because they beat some units here dosen't mean they'll beat them in an actual game.for example the mangudais just stay still here but in a real game they'll hit and run and 1 on 1 the legionary won't even be able to touch it.but here we can see their stats and how much damage the can do/take.
Great video!!
Surprised to see Janisaaries lose against them despite being gunpowder units
Janissaries don’t actually have bonus vs infantry so against a fairly high-armor unit they’re going to suffer.
@@joewest3901 So what ARE Janissaries good against if not infantry then?
Roma Invicta
Plumed archers beating legions!
Not a fan of how hard they beat berserks. And that is WITHOUT a centurion. I wonder if they lose to Viking champs.
Prolly not
How does Samurai lose if they get like +20 damage vs unique?
impressive that they even defeated the samurai
found the counter to samurai ;)
Legion vs Cataphract, East vs West looks like cataphracts still kore powerful
do samurai get their bonus damage against the legionary?
No. Legionary is not treated as unique unit, so samurai don't have their bonus against them.
they look freaking broken
How weak is gunpowder in this game? It makes no sense that Janissaries can't even beat glorified swordsmen.
Teutonic Knights still Perfect
Legionaries were quite disciplined soldier. Any low amrour unit wouksnt stsnd a chsnce against them. Surprised rhry lose against urumi amd jaquar
Jaguar warior
Is this with, or without mini-charge from tech?
They have the charge from the unique tech
@@GamerFox-1567 cool, I was wondering because I didn't see charging bars on them
@@Artuditu123 you can actually see the charge bar, its the white one below the blue bar (health)
Romule Vigilamus Pro Te
Why jaguars are better than legionary? Wtf
Jaguar have a +10 bonus vs infantry every hit, whilst legionary have a +5 charge attack which needs a recharge
Jaguars are anti infantry, having +10 againt infantry units
Another reason why i believe the samurai needs a buff
Legionaries aren't in the UU armour class. Maybe they could decrease samurai's cost slightly but regardless it has a specific niche as being a trashbuster like a champion only better by being able to destroy other unique units.
Well, they're not THAT great without a centurion in the back.
Como puedo jugar con los romanos en age of empires II definitive edition??????
Estaran disponibles como cultura de Aoe 2 emnun dlc que tambien trae las civilizaciones del Age 1, faltan unos cuantos días.
.....Wow, beating samurai
Yeah, they replace militia, they are not unique
I think they need to remove one of the bonus +2 armor they get from upgrades by removing the buff and giving the final armor upgrade
Urmis still win
I think they need a nerf.
A legionaire beating a Samurai 1v1 is the biggest shit on history ever.
The Samurai are notoriously 1v1 experts since a lot of their training consisted of just that.
So many other parts of this game is so inaccurate that its also disgusting
What is this you dont know what your talking about Samurai were not specifically trained for 1v1 they were trained in many things social etiquette & War plus are you blind this was a group of Legionnaires vs a group of Samurai. You are assuming your favorite warrior would win without considering the context of the battle between the group of warriors so i stick to my original claim you dont know what your talking about. I mean Legionaries in a group like in the video is a scary thought they were notorious in a group but im not going to assume the samurai would just get stomped Biased Craig.
This unit is extremely unbalanced. It can be produced in the barracks and just wrecks everything.
Goth Huskarls should definitely be able to beat legionaries.
Lol no they suck vs infantry
Not really, huskarls are anti archer, not anti infantry