I seen a video earlier today where the guy took his 100% reliable pistol and made it replicate Chris's issues exactly. It was the right screw on the dot interfering with the extractor. He ground off a hair of the screw and it went back to 100%. So anyone having issues should try it without the optic and see if that's the problem. If it runs like it should without the optic then you know what the problem is and how to fix it.
Great follow up demo. Glad yours is working flawlessly. I'll be back at the range tomorrow to retest mine after I clean the mags. I have a short on here shooting mine.
Yeah with mine anyway I’m going to carry it with the upmost confidence. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
The P07 Duty was my very first CZ it holds a special place in my collection. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I appreciate the video. I love CZ and I've ordered one. Thank you for the testing and time money and effort that it takes to do what you do. Keep it up
I've had mine for a couple of weeks and have a couple of hundred flawless rounds through mine without an optic. I added the holosun scs carry. Headed to the range tomorrow to check reliability with the dot. Thx for your video and your profession of faith. Subbed immediately.
I like this guy, this guy is a regular American right here!.. so I guess you could say I have a regular PO seven which is my winter carry and bedside with with a light on it. I haven’t had an issue issue in my three years of owning it not one single issue that’s why I have all CZ IN MY SAFE
@@GSquaredTactical Your praise of H&K makes me think that at some point, it should be the Colt CZ's next acquisition target. The CZ debt has grown, however, so it may take a few years but H&K has revenues that are just a third of the now grown Colt CZ Group - with its swissAA and Sellier and Bellot and other new recent acquisitions.
@@moxbroker really that’s what you on here correcting this is what you’re paying attention to. You must’ve missed the point of conversation completely SMH
Mine has been perfect so far. I absolutely love how this gun shoots. It has replaced my tried and true Glock 19. I'm a die hard Glock fan. Love the Glock platform but this gun shoots better than anything I have shot including HK,Sigs and M&P's. Iv;e owned two CZ P01s and this shoots softer and more accurate. Great gun.
I’m telling you if I could get more people to just give CZ a chance just one time they would change up almost 10 out of 10. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Have optic and light on mine (300ish roundsnow). Soaked the gun and greased out of box. Did have an slide lock with last round left in mag occasionally. Cleaned, soaked, greased again. Took mags apart and soaked/greased. Got rid of the slide lock leaving a round in the mag. Then got 2 FTF using Magtech. I don't CC so not bothered by it at the moment. Big believer in properly mating surfaces and this a gun will be one of my favorites. Remember spending alot of time with my 75 compact, but runs like a sewing machine now.
any time I install an optic I first take a tooth pick and check the hole depth on the slide. The I drop the screws through the optic and take that measurement I go with tooth pick and compare. the exposed screw through bottom of optic should always be shorter than the hole depth in slide. that way one never worries about extractor interference.
When I put an optic on my hellcat pro I hthe same issue with the screw touching the extractor spring and once I machined it down to the correct length it worked flawlessly and it has ever since over 4000 rnds later. So I think you're right on with what's going on with hi s situation.
Part of me hopes I am because I love CZ so much but if he got a lemon he did. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I just got mine yesterday and got it out to the range today put the Holosun EPS on there shot 200 rounds of cheap 2A Warehouse remain 115gr ammunition with no problems. I love it
@Shadow__133 I sent a element of sarcasm if that is not the fact then except my apologies in advance lol. I personally am just shy of 1000 rounds on mine with no failure. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
@@GSquaredTactical My mistake. I thought this whole post was sarcastic, considering someone is claiming a $1,200 gun is "reliable" just because they ran $40 worth of ammo through it. 😆
Commented on one of your other vids. I just got done shooting another 300 rounds today through it. I went with the Magtech steel cased 115gr. No issues. I even tried some on purpose limp wristing, no issues. I’m well past my normal round count for my daily carry testing. Love this thing.
@@GSquaredTactical Yes, I went with the Cyelee Cat X Pro green. Zero issues with my setup. I put a TLR7 HL-X light on it as well. It’s staying as my nightstand gun for now, I’m still loving my Bodyguard 2.0 as my daily.
Nice jeep, and thanks for pistol update. I have been considering making this my ccw and switching from a Glock because of the whole appendix carry potential issue lol. I have been carrying a Glock for maybe 15 years or so, but it’s always a though when sitting down, that pisstol is pointed in some not so great directions.
I heard that bro!! I’m old school man just never got into the iwb carry stuff. I tried but wasn’t willing to get used to it. That’s why I wear untucked shirts (not T’s) and I carry OWB leather holster about 4 o’clock or pocket carry. I don’t think any issues with this pistol are wide spread. Honestly I never heard a single bad review or comment until OH put his up. I’m anxious to see what’s up with his
New subscriber! Saw your comments over on Honest Outlaws channel. I have one of these coming to compare with the P07 and my Shadow 2 compact. So far my P07 has been flawless and only 1 malfunction with the S2C. Honest Outlaws video was so disappointing…the malfunctions he had. Great info on the screws!
I always respect females shooting on camera. Thier impressions are valuable, and it helps a lot of other ladies out there, my wife included. Appreciate the work you do and the investigation you put into this. CZ makes great equipment, but a lemon is possible. Real shame for Outlaw to, a true cz and p07 (09c) fan to suffer one. Im still excited for your 09F review! I wouldn't hesitate to get one
@@GSquaredTactical Not only in a big RUclipsr's hands but a guy that will actually show the gun failing to funciton properly. Lot of other guys would get sent a gun, have it crap the bed, and just not put a video up until they get one that works.
Yeah that’s why I started my channel to stop that crap but you know every single time I put up a bad review it’s the viewers that give me crap even threats sometime it’s crazy. No one sends me free guns but I hope so one day it get expensive lol
I've had mine for a couple weeks now. I bought it for the optic cut. My eyes aren't getting any younger. I haven't shot it that much and no optic yet. Love the gun. I've got quite a few CZ's and they're hands down my favorite guns and haven't had any issues with any of them. All that being said, My only gripe about this gun is the shape of the trigger itself. My EDC is a P07 duty ( for about a decade now) and the trigger blade has a super curve to it and I so prefer that over my 2nd gen P07's triggers. . My P01 has the same curved trigger and it's my back up EDC. That's all just personal preference and not the gun itself. I'm hoping I can put the same trigger blade on the Nocturne so I can use it as a bedside gun, I found your channel yesterday and sub'd right away. Thanks for posting this !!
Considering getting this is an EDC too and I also came across Honest Outlaws video and it made me alittle skeptical. Now I do have a shadow 2 and I had to send it back (still waiting to get it back from cz) for failure to extract issues , so I can’t say I’be had the best luck with cz so far
I oook forward to Chris's full review in the coming weeks. I hope he is able to update us on what the problem was and the solution that was derived . I am a CZ shooter, I love love my shadow 2 orange for the price point I feel I might need to really spend a ton more to get more performance than what I already have .. I also have the DWX full size gen 2 mine is optics ready minus the plate for an optic. Cz is really struggling too get the factory plates into stock. I might have to go into another company for the plate. I should have led with this and said thank you for your absolutely thorough look into the malfunctions. Have a super weekend..
Got about 300 rounds through mine without a single issue. Added Holosun 407k and swapped the grip for the fatter part to accommodate my giant hands. I don’t like loading more than 10 rounds in the magazines yet. Gotta break them in still. It’s a great sturdy gun. Feels like a solid chunk of metal in my hand.
I am up close to 800 round and still have not had a failure. I completely trust the gun. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
@@GSquaredTactical I’m here looking at it now. It’s an HS507K X2 red dot. It co-witnesses with the iron sights nicely. This is my new truck gun. I really like the little thing. Went ahead and subscribed for you. Look forward to more reviews. I just built out an AR57. I highly recommend if you’re looking for future fun projects
It’s crazy how peoples experience differ so much as I know quite a few people with these new nocturnes and have had zero issues with them. I have the C and the F and have had zero issues with either one of them. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Thanks for the follow up. It seems to run fine. Who knows what the problem with Chris' gun is. However, I always start my investigation looking at add-ons, and if there was an error in mounting or compatibility. I pretty much expect the base CZs to run well and shoot straight out of the box. Adding something to the slide only increases the probabilty of issues. It certainly is not going to make it function more reliably. With optics, as you point out, things like screw length and torque are important to avoid issues. Who knows. I have never had an issue with my original P365 and people were saying that the P365 was as reliable as a 1909 weather forecast. I eventually concluded that those problems did not apply to me.-
I had never considered that maybe the screw was out of spec for the optic. Something quite possible. An extra thousands or two could easily cause a problem and would have near impossible to detect to the user. I've not seen the HO video for a bit but I do feel like it didn't happen when naked. Interesting matter.
I never saw him shoot it naked. Doesn’t he have a video shooting it naked. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I have had many CZS including a P-07 and have never had any issues with any of mine. Honest Outlaw loves his CZ P-07 I think he just got a lemon. I hope he sends it in or they send him anothernone and he can give us an update as to what was the issue or a new one that works like it should.
It’s late and I’m just now seeing this. Hit me up tomorrow and ask again and I will try as I have 2 of the originals. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
One thing I noticed between your cz and Honest Outlaw is the extraction. Yours is flinging those spent shells. His looked very weak. Some of them was hitting him and his wife. Maybe he has an extractor issue. He also mentioned how rounds were getting hung up on the extractor. I think he got a lemon.
Did you watch my first video leading up to this one? I think there potentially a chance there may be an optic screw in his extraction spring but he very well could have gotten a lemon as well. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I don’t think I understand the question. You said that won’t now function. Ask me the question again in a different way because I don’t understand what you are asking. Thanks for watching.
I was one of the very first people to comment on his video if not the first person to comment indicating that I thought that might be a possibility because of it having similar failures as my echelon did when I done that very thing. However, I do not want to be that guy because sometimes people get really offended, thinking you are attacking their ability or knowledge so I did not push the issue not even on my channel. However, there have been so many different videos. One guy put up a 16 minute video explaining that it was physically impossible for the screw to interfere with the extraction rod or spring because it was in its own enclosed metal tunnel, not accessible by the screw, but for me, the burden of proof has not been satisfied either way One way or the other I wish we could just get some clarity
When I mounted my EPS I noticed the extractor pin was protruding above the surface of the slide keeping it from mounting flat. I would imagine, if the optic is pushing down on it, it would bind. Haven’t fired it but I took a hammer and punch and tapped that pin down to flush. So if his was installed on a protruding pin it may have caused it to bind.
Yeah I don’t know but I’ve cycled whole magazines through and ejected no issues. I love the gun and it’s my EDC over my XMacro/g45/92X. Although I do want the Cajun trigger, lots of creep.
If I have good information, when using M4 x 9.8mm screws, the length under the red dot is 3mm. The thread depth for P09c is 6mm. So even using 11mm screws means they will be 4.2mm long at the bottom and can be used. The screw in the hole does not press on anything and cannot touch anything, so it is impossible for even a longer screw to cause any functionality problems. My Defender arrives next week so I'll check it out.
I’m amazed at how much a gun tuber can influence people’s choices, decisions, purchases on any gun. Honest outlaw is great but it doesn’t mean that his and inky his experience is going to make or break the gun…it could have been any of a few issues.
2nd data point i also have the full size nocturne & have experienced 0 issues. I will be doing a hard 1000 round burn out tomorrow just to see what happens
I don’t know I have not personally met anyone or me myself have had any problems with this firearm. It seems to be a very select few. Thanks for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Great job sir!! Subscribed. Plan on buying one now for sure. I believe OH said some of the problems might have been he was using original P09 mags when it happened?? I could be wrong..... My wife just started shooting with me, but hasnt worked up to 9mm yet. Tell your wife great job!!
The magazine problem is that the spring is extremely heavy and if you load 15 bullets in, it becomes difficult to quickly insert the magazine into the gun, often ending up with a magazine that is not all the way in, which will cause the bullet to not feed. Had this exact issue today while shooting my Nocturne. If you push the magazine in hard, problem does not happen, but if I would carry a spare, I would only load 14 to avoid problems if in need to reload quickly during use.
I’ve had that happen a lot on guns that’s why I’m in the habit of slapping them all in. I’ve had no issues with my Nocturnes. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
The magazine that wouldn't feed the first round was from the original gun. Honest Outlaw tested to see if the original mags would work since they were similar.
@@GSquaredTactical It looks like he got a lemon. Other reviewers haven't been having any issues that I've seen. Makes me feel confident about picking up one of these.
Well… I hate to report that I had the same issue as HO with mine as well. I initially shot about 150 rounds with no issue, then I saw HO’s video and decided to put several hundred more rounds through it. I shot around 300 more rounds total, and had the issue a total of two times. No optic, no light, well lubed, factory mags. I only had 115 grn Capital Cartridge ammo with me so I couldn’t switch out ammo; doesn’t seem to be an ammo issue anyway. I haven’t seen any other videos or read any forums about others having this issue.
Dang bro let me know what happens with the warranty process. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
New Sub. Looking to buy this gun but after OH wasn’t sure. Glad you made these videos! An acquaintance is going out in 2 days to run his hard and he is a shooter. Hope all goes smooth like yours because I want one.
That’s wild because I shot the 124 grain and the 147 grain plus P in the 124 and it was all flawless. In fact it shot better with the HST than any other round. Please keep me informed on how it does. I am very interested in anything going on with this gun
@@GSquaredTactical Update 50 rds 124HST, 200 rds 124 JHP, 50 147 JHP, ran 100% just did a complete clean & lube. He said, it or he like the 124, recoil impulse was best.
Oh yeah, I would imagine that it’s going to be a while before those will be available. The P10 C mags will work. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
In my video the day before this one I used P10 C, P10 F, 75 P01, Shadow II, Shadow II compact, SP01 and my original P09 mags all without issue. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Not as chubby as earlier but still thick compared to others in its class. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Man, man, man, that is super tough to say right there. I guess it really depends on what you are using it for because as far as feel in the hand, accuracy, shoot ability I’m going to pick the P01 all day every day and three times on Sunday. But it is a decent amount heavier than the P10 C so as I said, it really just depends on what your daily used for it will be Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Don’t they make this in a full size? Might have to get one. Your wife shoots great. Hell, I’m impressed she is even willing to shoot on video, but she did great.
Yes sir they make the full size I have a couple shorts up on it hopefully full range will be up soon. Thanks for the kinds words and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Thanks for the info For as long as optics have been available now you think manufacturers would include proper hardware for optics. It cost them almost nothing
Yeah you are right everything is being dumbed down or cheapened these days. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I don’t used kydex I hate it just not my speed and I don’t carry IWB but I use a Versacarry OWB universal belt holster that fits 12 or 15 different guns and it works great.
I think this was a fluke. Idk if the mags make that issue or if it was user error (which I doubt) or just to do with the accessories installed. I would still buy one and trust that it would function when most important.
Absolutely me too. I’m carrying it confidently at their moment. Not that I think HO experience was a fluke I don’t discredit anyone’s experience as it’s their same and there experience. However I am anxiously awaiting his follow up as to what is wrong. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
the problem is many times the shooter , without seeing these reported issues on video or in person i wouldnt say its the firearm that has issues . ive seen shooters at my range causing issues and they blame the firearm but in reality it was the shooter .
That is a lot of times true. Not sure that’s true with HO as long as he has been shooting but the optic screw thing is easy to do without thinking about it. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I think the gun is perfectly made not much difference from the old one slide cut new grips new textures I don't see what the problem is other than then adding the optic and it causing a screw to go in and maybe hit something or dragging on something
I mean, I don’t know if that’s what it is or not. I was just speculating. I just know that I have not had an issue with mine. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
You can’t go by a sample size of one. I love how people will talk crap about a certain gun that they have never shot and are taking 1 or 2 reviews as though it applies to them all.
I have over 600 rounds of various different ammunitions all the way from new Republic to HST federal and have had zero issues. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
It surprised me how quickly HO jumped all over the pistol without evaluating any possible causes. I think because he is such a CZ fan and any failure what so ever would put him in a state of not thinking clearly. Just my opinion.
I could totally see that because I have said quite a few times as much as I have bragged about CZ and H&K being the only brands in my safe that has never had a single failure. It would hurt my soul to have to report that a CZ had failed, but if I had to, I would but it would be a tough thing to do and definitely would put me in a bad headspace. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
I just sent me P09c Nocturne back to CZ, it pretty much had all the issues you brought up. Wouldn't go into battery on a full mag. slide would lock back mid mag and I had the odd jam where the round jammed in the right side of the chamber. Shot fmj and hollow. 115g and 124g. 150+ rounds would not run. No optic.
I have one and have used it before but people complained about that as well. I can’t afford 3 cameras and I filmed 80% alone (by myself) so I can’t constantly zoom in and out on the guns that’s why I try to put videos over the video to kill the noice or use my tailgate. Again I buy all my own guns, ammo, mics, software to edit, and my own time. I literally have a white lifetime table in that tent to the left but when I used it it was distracting to me to have to keep walking around it and also the ground is unlevel so everything kept rolling off the table. Hopefully if I ever get a bunch of supporters on Patreon, free guns to review or actually make money from products people buy I can get a better set up. For now I’m doing my best and God knows my heart that is true
@@GSquaredTactical maybe instead of place it in front of you you can place it off to the right side of you? That way it’s in front of the camera still but not blocking your walking path at all. You also don’t need a big one even one of those small 1x2 foot foldable tables will be helpful. Just trying to help. Otherwise keep up the great honest work!
No, that’s exactly the size I have in that tent. If you look at some of our older videos, you will see it in the videos. However, the ground out there is so lumpy and unlevel no matter how I would set it up or I would try to prop it up with every single time I would lay ammo or a magazine or something like that on therewhile I was filming and just look like an incompetent While I was filming and just look like an incompetent butt so I used the tailgate of the truck for the longest time because basically that is a small table
Yeah it just sucks that the potential dud ended up in one of the biggest RUclipsrs hands especially since CZ sucks at marketing and ran off their impeccable reliability record. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Very odd since internally it’s the same. Could be qa or some issue with setup. All that being said generally never buy a new machine. Car, truck etc. just ask those 22+ Tundra owners. Lol
She had 11 malfunctions and he had 2. I know from watching them for years she doesn’t limp wrist that bad in fact she’s a decent shot. My wife shoot mine in every video I’ve done and she famously limp wrist but getting way better and it was fine even with her shooting. I think everyone is anxiously awaiting to see what he finds out. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
If people like dishonest outlaw tried testing their guns 100% stock instead of tacking on junk like flashlights, red dots, and wrong magazines until the test is over.........just sayin'.
I’ve had no problems with mine with all that added. Out to 1200 rounds now without incident. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
man i like that dude but he will bash a gun that has one stove pipe in a thousand rounds lol i definitely value his opinion as he has a lot of experience but i take his opinion with a grain of salt sometimes also
I mean I’m ocd and hard on guns and expect a lot as well and I’m not sure what’s going on with his sample but I’m anxious to find out. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
My 2 cents without owning one is that this is the first Gen of this model. Honest Outlaw, I personally think, just got a lemon. It does happen with first-generation anything. I do appreciate the video covering the issues he did experience. Honest Outlaw does love his CZ's, so it was not an attempt to bash the brand.
I literally never one time said that he was attempting to bash the brand I just want to make that very clear. I simply was taking people’s concerns and trying to duplicate them to give them peace of mind and myself as well. Until HO updates we don’t know. Thanks for watching and commenting and please be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@sdaga2302 no I was just clarifying because I go out of my way not to discredit peoples experiences even my viewers I mean your experience is your experience you know
Well, I don’t know if I have or not. I think everyone is anxiously waiting to see what OH outcome is. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Your wife did great and I would like to encourage her to continue on. There are always haters, ignore them.
For sure bro for sure. Thanks you watching and I hope you have subscribed
I seen a video earlier today where the guy took his 100% reliable pistol and made it replicate Chris's issues exactly. It was the right screw on the dot interfering with the extractor. He ground off a hair of the screw and it went back to 100%. So anyone having issues should try it without the optic and see if that's the problem. If it runs like it should without the optic then you know what the problem is and how to fix it.
Thanks for sharing and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Perfect video! Thanks for responding to the comments and trying to figure out where the problem is. The CZ P09c is a great gun.
Yes sir it is and thanks for watching
Great follow up demo.
Glad yours is working flawlessly. I'll be back at the range tomorrow to retest mine after I clean the mags. I have a short on here shooting mine.
Shoot me a link so I can check it out.
Thanks for the video! Im in the same boat- 750 rnds in with the P09C with no issues. I still plan to make it my CCW.
Yeah with mine anyway I’m going to carry it with the upmost confidence. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Great video. Definitely regained my confidence in buying one for my CCW! Thanks for the video!
Ty for watching and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Works for me Thank you for give another perspective to this “issue”
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Great review ! It has to live up to it's predecessor and in the case of the magnificent P-07, that indeed will be a daunting task !
The P07 Duty was my very first CZ it holds a special place in my collection. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@@GSquaredTactical Done !
@grapenut9 Ty sir
I appreciate the video. I love CZ and I've ordered one. Thank you for the testing and time money and effort that it takes to do what you do. Keep it up
Ty and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I've had mine for a couple of weeks and have a couple of hundred flawless rounds through mine without an optic.
I added the holosun scs carry. Headed to the range tomorrow to check reliability with the dot.
Thx for your video and your profession of faith.
Subbed immediately.
Ty sir I really do appreciate it.
I like this guy, this guy is a regular American right here!.. so I guess you could say I have a regular PO seven which is my winter carry and bedside with with a light on it. I haven’t had an issue issue in my three years of owning it not one single issue that’s why I have all CZ IN MY SAFE
Yes sir CZ and H&K are the only 2 brands in my safe that have never failed.
@@GSquaredTactical Your praise of H&K makes me think that at some point, it should be the Colt CZ's next acquisition target. The CZ debt has grown, however, so it may take a few years but H&K has revenues that are just a third of the now grown Colt CZ Group - with its swissAA and Sellier and Bellot and other new recent acquisitions.
You could be right
P0. Not PO.
@@moxbroker really that’s what you on here correcting this is what you’re paying attention to. You must’ve missed the point of conversation completely SMH
Mine has been perfect so far. I absolutely love how this gun shoots. It has replaced my tried and true Glock 19. I'm a die hard Glock fan. Love the Glock platform but this gun shoots better than anything I have shot including HK,Sigs and M&P's. Iv;e owned two CZ P01s and this shoots softer and more accurate. Great gun.
I’m telling you if I could get more people to just give CZ a chance just one time they would change up almost 10 out of 10. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Have optic and light on mine (300ish roundsnow). Soaked the gun and greased out of box. Did have an slide lock with last round left in mag occasionally. Cleaned, soaked, greased again. Took mags apart and soaked/greased. Got rid of the slide lock leaving a round in the mag. Then got 2 FTF using Magtech. I don't CC so not bothered by it at the moment. Big believer in properly mating surfaces and this a gun will be one of my favorites. Remember spending alot of time with my 75 compact, but runs like a sewing machine now.
Yes sir
any time I install an optic I first take a tooth pick and check the hole depth on the slide. The I drop the screws through the optic and take that measurement I go with tooth pick and compare. the exposed screw through bottom of optic should always be shorter than the hole depth in slide. that way one never worries about extractor interference.
Sounds like a good things to do might try that. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Tell the wife she did an awesome job!
Will do
When I put an optic on my hellcat pro I hthe same issue with the screw touching the extractor spring and once I machined it down to the correct length it worked flawlessly and it has ever since over 4000 rnds later. So I think you're right on with what's going on with hi s situation.
Part of me hopes I am because I love CZ so much but if he got a lemon he did. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
About 157 rounds? 😊
Thanks for the content. P09 compact is one of the candidates for my new gun so... Appreciated
Ty sir be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I just got mine yesterday and got it out to the range today put the Holosun EPS on there shot 200 rounds of cheap 2A Warehouse remain 115gr ammunition with no problems. I love it
Also are use several different mags from P-10c, p-10f and from my original P-07 all worked without any issues
No issues here either. He either got a lemon or ran a screw in something. I’m anxious to find out lol
Wow, 200 rds and no failures?? Impressive.
@Shadow__133 I sent a element of sarcasm if that is not the fact then except my apologies in advance lol. I personally am just shy of 1000 rounds on mine with no failure. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
@@GSquaredTactical My mistake. I thought this whole post was sarcastic, considering someone is claiming a $1,200 gun is "reliable" just because they ran $40 worth of ammo through it. 😆
Thanks for doing justice to this great guns
Yes sir thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Commented on one of your other vids. I just got done shooting another 300 rounds today through it. I went with the Magtech steel cased 115gr. No issues. I even tried some on purpose limp wristing, no issues. I’m well past my normal round count for my daily carry testing. Love this thing.
Do you have an optic on yours
@@GSquaredTactical
Yes, I went with the Cyelee Cat X Pro green. Zero issues with my setup. I put a TLR7 HL-X light on it as well. It’s staying as my nightstand gun for now, I’m still loving my Bodyguard 2.0 as my daily.
@davidbrown2284 yeah buddy
I'm about 500 rounds in with mine with the swampfox sentinel. I haven't had any issues so far.
Also used p10 f 21 round mags
Nice jeep, and thanks for pistol update. I have been considering making this my ccw and switching from a Glock because of the whole appendix carry potential issue lol. I have been carrying a Glock for maybe 15 years or so, but it’s always a though when sitting down, that pisstol is pointed in some not so great directions.
I heard that bro!! I’m old school man just never got into the iwb carry stuff. I tried but wasn’t willing to get used to it. That’s why I wear untucked shirts (not T’s) and I carry OWB leather holster about 4 o’clock or pocket carry. I don’t think any issues with this pistol are wide spread. Honestly I never heard a single bad review or comment until OH put his up. I’m anxious to see what’s up with his
New subscriber! Saw your comments over on Honest Outlaws channel. I have one of these coming to compare with the P07 and my Shadow 2 compact. So far my P07 has been flawless and only 1 malfunction with the S2C. Honest Outlaws video was so disappointing…the malfunctions he had. Great info on the screws!
Thank you and thanks for subscribing
I always respect females shooting on camera. Thier impressions are valuable, and it helps a lot of other ladies out there, my wife included. Appreciate the work you do and the investigation you put into this. CZ makes great equipment, but a lemon is possible. Real shame for Outlaw to, a true cz and p07 (09c) fan to suffer one. Im still excited for your 09F review! I wouldn't hesitate to get one
Yeah she doesn’t like to but she’s warming up to it. Everyone has a lemon just sad it ended up in one of the biggest RUclipsrs hands
@@GSquaredTactical Not only in a big RUclipsr's hands but a guy that will actually show the gun failing to funciton properly. Lot of other guys would get sent a gun, have it crap the bed, and just not put a video up until they get one that works.
Yeah that’s why I started my channel to stop that crap but you know every single time I put up a bad review it’s the viewers that give me crap even threats sometime it’s crazy. No one sends me free guns but I hope so one day it get expensive lol
I've had mine for a couple weeks now. I bought it for the optic cut. My eyes aren't getting any younger. I haven't shot it that much and no optic yet. Love the gun. I've got quite a few CZ's and they're hands down my favorite guns and haven't had any issues with any of them. All that being said, My only gripe about this gun is the shape of the trigger itself. My EDC is a P07 duty ( for about a decade now) and the trigger blade has a super curve to it and I so prefer that over my 2nd gen P07's triggers. . My P01 has the same curved trigger and it's my back up EDC. That's all just personal preference and not the gun itself. I'm hoping I can put the same trigger blade on the Nocturne so I can use it as a bedside gun, I found your channel yesterday and sub'd right away. Thanks for posting this !!
Thank you for watching brother and sharing your thoughts!! Thanks for subscribing
Considering getting this is an EDC too and I also came across Honest Outlaws video and it made me alittle skeptical. Now I do have a shadow 2 and I had to send it back (still waiting to get it back from cz) for failure to extract issues , so I can’t say I’be had the best luck with cz so far
Wow !!
Thanks for putting this out here.
Absolutely and thank you for watching. Please be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already.
@@GSquaredTactical done
Ty sir
Thanks for the video and addressing the issues!!!
Yes sir and thank you for watching
I oook forward to Chris's full review in the coming weeks. I hope he is able to update us on what the problem was and the solution that was derived . I am a CZ shooter, I love love my shadow 2 orange for the price point I feel I might need to really spend a ton more to get more performance than what I already have .. I also have the DWX full size gen 2 mine is optics ready minus the plate for an optic. Cz is really struggling too get the factory plates into stock. I might have to go into another company for the plate. I should have led with this and said thank you for your absolutely thorough look into the malfunctions. Have a super weekend..
Ty you sir and you as well. C&H have been solid plates for me.
Got about 300 rounds through mine without a single issue. Added Holosun 407k and swapped the grip for the fatter part to accommodate my giant hands.
I don’t like loading more than 10 rounds in the magazines yet. Gotta break them in still. It’s a great sturdy gun. Feels like a solid chunk of metal in my hand.
I am up close to 800 round and still have not had a failure. I completely trust the gun. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
@@GSquaredTactical I’m here looking at it now. It’s an HS507K X2 red dot. It co-witnesses with the iron sights nicely. This is my new truck gun. I really like the little thing.
Went ahead and subscribed for you. Look forward to more reviews. I just built out an AR57. I highly recommend if you’re looking for future fun projects
10/4 Ty sir
I have the p10c, and it's my daily. This was my next purchase, but with the issues and it not being in my area yet. I have some time to wait.
It’s crazy how peoples experience differ so much as I know quite a few people with these new nocturnes and have had zero issues with them. I have the C and the F and have had zero issues with either one of them. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Thanks for the follow up. It seems to run fine. Who knows what the problem with Chris' gun is. However, I always start my investigation looking at add-ons, and if there was an error in mounting or compatibility. I pretty much expect the base CZs to run well and shoot straight out of the box. Adding something to the slide only increases the probabilty of issues. It certainly is not going to make it function more reliably. With optics, as you point out, things like screw length and torque are important to avoid issues. Who knows. I have never had an issue with my original P365 and people were saying that the P365 was as reliable as a 1909 weather forecast. I eventually concluded that those problems did not apply to me.-
lol love the weather analogy but who knows I hope he updates soon. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I had never considered that maybe the screw was out of spec for the optic. Something quite possible. An extra thousands or two could easily cause a problem and would have near impossible to detect to the user. I've not seen the HO video for a bit but I do feel like it didn't happen when naked. Interesting matter.
I never saw him shoot it naked. Doesn’t he have a video shooting it naked. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I have had many CZS including a P-07 and have never had any issues with any of mine. Honest Outlaw loves his CZ P-07 I think he just got a lemon. I hope he sends it in or they send him anothernone and he can give us an update as to what was the issue or a new one that works like it should.
Yeah I’m anxiously awaiting for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
solid content. Thank you Sir
Ty sir
Very curious if the slides are interchangeable with the P07
It’s late and I’m just now seeing this. Hit me up tomorrow and ask again and I will try as I have 2 of the originals. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
One thing I noticed between your cz and Honest Outlaw is the extraction. Yours is flinging those spent shells. His looked very weak. Some of them was hitting him and his wife. Maybe he has an extractor issue. He also mentioned how rounds were getting hung up on the extractor. I think he got a lemon.
Did you watch my first video leading up to this one? I think there potentially a chance there may be an optic screw in his extraction spring but he very well could have gotten a lemon as well. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
He, as in Honest Outlaw*, might have caused an issue with the extractor when he first inserted the P10 magazine. I think he smashed it by mistake
Idk bro all speculation until we hear from him on it
There are plenty of CZ Lemons for sure.
I’ve never had one fortunately
Where can I get the screws from my cz nocturne c. That won't affect the function. Great video
I don’t think I understand the question. You said that won’t now function. Ask me the question again in a different way because I don’t understand what you are asking. Thanks for watching.
In the comments to the HO video, there's a comment from a CZ rep indicating that CZ too believes it's the optic screw interfering with the extractor.
I was one of the very first people to comment on his video if not the first person to comment indicating that I thought that might be a possibility because of it having similar failures as my echelon did when I done that very thing. However, I do not want to be that guy because sometimes people get really offended, thinking you are attacking their ability or knowledge so I did not push the issue not even on my channel. However, there have been so many different videos. One guy put up a 16 minute video explaining that it was physically impossible for the screw to interfere with the extraction rod or spring because it was in its own enclosed metal tunnel, not accessible by the screw, but for me, the burden of proof has not been satisfied either way One way or the other I wish we could just get some clarity
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When I mounted my EPS I noticed the extractor pin was protruding above the surface of the slide keeping it from mounting flat. I would imagine, if the optic is pushing down on it, it would bind. Haven’t fired it but I took a hammer and punch and tapped that pin down to flush. So if his was installed on a protruding pin it may have caused it to bind.
Idk man but I would have done a few that myself before condemning it lol. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Yeah I don’t know but I’ve cycled whole magazines through and ejected no issues. I love the gun and it’s my EDC over my XMacro/g45/92X. Although I do want the Cajun trigger, lots of creep.
Nothing wrong with that
If I have good information, when using M4 x 9.8mm screws, the length under the red dot is 3mm. The thread depth for P09c is 6mm. So even using 11mm screws means they will be 4.2mm long at the bottom and can be used. The screw in the hole does not press on anything and cannot touch anything, so it is impossible for even a longer screw to cause any functionality problems. My Defender arrives next week so I'll check it out.
Thanks for this info. As I mentioned several times I wasn’t even sure it could touch anything I just didn’t know but was throwing out suggestions
Amen brother!!
Ty sir and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
You and you're are excellent shooters😎
Well thank you sir!! Also, thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I’m amazed at how much a gun tuber can influence people’s choices, decisions, purchases on any gun. Honest outlaw is great but it doesn’t mean that his and inky his experience is going to make or break the gun…it could have been any of a few issues.
Yeah let’s hope they get it figured out. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I thought the exact same thing when I seen his video. GREAT WORK KEEP IT UP! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Ty sir and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
2nd data point i also have the full size nocturne & have experienced 0 issues. I will be doing a hard 1000 round burn out tomorrow just to see what happens
My full with same vortex optic has been flawless as well. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Guess ill keep my p07. Will get optic cut for like $180. I dont have a problem with the small changes. Grip is fine.
I don’t know I have not personally met anyone or me myself have had any problems with this firearm. It seems to be a very select few. Thanks for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Po7 is perfect as is.not really sure I ever want a optic.too many people don’t learn to use there iron sights. Optics fail, iron sights don’t.
@leadfarmer556 that’s right I agree. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Had the same problem with rmr on an aftermarket glock slide. Optic screw was too long which caused failures.
I don’t know if that’s what he experienced but it’s worth a look. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Great job sir!! Subscribed. Plan on buying one now for sure. I believe OH said some of the problems might have been he was using original P09 mags when it happened?? I could be wrong..... My wife just started shooting with me, but hasnt worked up to 9mm yet. Tell your wife great job!!
Yes sir and thanks for the sub
The magazine problem is that the spring is extremely heavy and if you load 15 bullets in, it becomes difficult to quickly insert the magazine into the gun, often ending up with a magazine that is not all the way in, which will cause the bullet to not feed. Had this exact issue today while shooting my Nocturne. If you push the magazine in hard, problem does not happen, but if I would carry a spare, I would only load 14 to avoid problems if in need to reload quickly during use.
I’ve had that happen a lot on guns that’s why I’m in the habit of slapping them all in. I’ve had no issues with my Nocturnes. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
The magazine that wouldn't feed the first round was from the original gun. Honest Outlaw tested to see if the original mags would work since they were similar.
Yeah I really couldn’t remember all of this is running together. For me the important thing is I’ve had no issues to speak of
10-4
I had no issues with any mags 8 different ones
@@GSquaredTactical It looks like he got a lemon. Other reviewers haven't been having any issues that I've seen. Makes me feel confident about picking up one of these.
@Doublehawk1 I’m confident in mine for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I’m not a gunsmith, so adding an optic worries me. I have the CZ P 01 and the P 09. Anyway, I love CZ pistols. You can’t go wrong with them.
No sir you can’t love them. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Well… I hate to report that I had the same issue as HO with mine as well. I initially shot about 150 rounds with no issue, then I saw HO’s video and decided to put several hundred more rounds through it. I shot around 300 more rounds total, and had the issue a total of two times. No optic, no light, well lubed, factory mags. I only had 115 grn Capital Cartridge ammo with me so I couldn’t switch out ammo; doesn’t seem to be an ammo issue anyway. I haven’t seen any other videos or read any forums about others having this issue.
Yeah I’m slightly over 600 rounds now flawlessly and I hope it stays that way
Just finished the @HonestOutlawReviews revew then found this one. The mag malfunction was from using a P10 mag. It wouldn't feed correctly.
Has he done an update yet. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@@GSquaredTactical As far as I know he has not.
Well, let me know if you hear anything. I’m curious to know.
The trigger on my CZ P09C failed after 400 rounds. It's going back to CZ. It looks like the trigger bar is not engaging anymore.
Dang bro let me know what happens with the warranty process. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
New Sub. Looking to buy this gun but after OH wasn’t sure. Glad you made these videos! An acquaintance is going out in 2 days to run his hard and he is a shooter. Hope all goes smooth like yours because I want one.
Let me know thanks for subbing
@@GSquaredTactical will do
@@GSquaredTactical 1st report is P09c had some issues, little oil fixed most but didn’t like 124 +p HST. That’s all the info I got for now
That’s wild because I shot the 124 grain and the 147 grain plus P in the 124 and it was all flawless. In fact it shot better with the HST than any other round. Please keep me informed on how it does. I am very interested in anything going on with this gun
@@GSquaredTactical
Update 50 rds 124HST, 200 rds 124 JHP, 50 147 JHP, ran 100% just did a complete clean & lube. He said, it or he like the 124, recoil impulse was best.
Mrs G Squared Tactical had a good grip today.
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I’m betting Honest Outlaw has too long of a mounting screw touching the extractor. Good video thanks.
I don’t know man hard to say I think everyone is anxiously anticipating his follow up. Thanks for watching.
Gene if you get a chance, I think those of us who own Echelons would like a short tabletop update on yours and your solution...
I have a very extensive video up on jt
What kind of light is that one?
Streamlight TLR-7A. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I can't find anywhere that sell and has in stock the P09c 15rd mags
Oh yeah, I would imagine that it’s going to be a while before those will be available. The P10 C mags will work. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Plenty around..gun-deals and gunbroker
I really hope he watches this vid and checks his screw length. Plus he used P10C mags which I never knew were compatible.
In my video the day before this one I used P10 C, P10 F, 75 P01, Shadow II, Shadow II compact, SP01 and my original P09 mags all without issue. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
P10c are the same. Just ordered two from heart of Texas armory. Don't make or sell p07 magazines anymore. I've looked and looked.
@bigskiohio191 yeah my p10 mags work.
@@GSquaredTactical I don't think ya forgot to try any.
I will
Is this gun still super chunky?
Not as chubby as earlier but still thick compared to others in its class. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Would you recommend the p09c over the p01 if you had no interest in mounting a red dot?
Man, man, man, that is super tough to say right there. I guess it really depends on what you are using it for because as far as feel in the hand, accuracy, shoot ability I’m going to pick the P01 all day every day and three times on Sunday. But it is a decent amount heavier than the P10 C so as I said, it really just depends on what your daily used for it will be Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
Don’t they make this in a full size? Might have to get one. Your wife shoots great. Hell, I’m impressed she is even willing to shoot on video, but she did great.
Yes sir they make the full size I have a couple shorts up on it hopefully full range will be up soon. Thanks for the kinds words and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Thanks for the info
For as long as optics have been available now you think manufacturers would include proper hardware for optics. It cost them almost nothing
Yeah you are right everything is being dumbed down or cheapened these days. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
What holster are you using for the p09c nocturne ?
I don’t used kydex I hate it just not my speed and I don’t carry IWB but I use a Versacarry OWB universal belt holster that fits 12 or 15 different guns and it works great.
She shoots better than most men
Well I’m sure she’ll be happy to hear that. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Outlaws had to do with his set screws in the optic they were digging to far which slowed the slide down
Did he do an update and say that or you guessing that’s what happened
@@GSquaredTactical Of course he guessing....another comment section commando.
lol thanks for watching
I think this was a fluke. Idk if the mags make that issue or if it was user error (which I doubt) or just to do with the accessories installed. I would still buy one and trust that it would function when most important.
Absolutely me too. I’m carrying it confidently at their moment. Not that I think HO experience was a fluke I don’t discredit anyone’s experience as it’s their same and there experience. However I am anxiously awaiting his follow up as to what is wrong. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
the problem is many times the shooter , without seeing these reported issues on video or in person i wouldnt say its the firearm that has issues . ive seen shooters at my range causing issues and they blame the firearm but in reality it was the shooter .
That is a lot of times true. Not sure that’s true with HO as long as he has been shooting but the optic screw thing is easy to do without thinking about it. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
I think the gun is perfectly made not much difference from the old one slide cut new grips new textures I don't see what the problem is other than then adding the optic and it causing a screw to go in and maybe hit something or dragging on something
I mean, I don’t know if that’s what it is or not. I was just speculating. I just know that I have not had an issue with mine. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
You can’t go by a sample size of one. I love how people will talk crap about a certain gun that they have never shot and are taking 1 or 2 reviews as though it applies to them all.
I have over 600 rounds of various different ammunitions all the way from new Republic to HST federal and have had zero issues. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
It surprised me how quickly HO jumped all over the pistol without evaluating any possible causes. I think because he is such a CZ fan and any failure what so ever would put him in a state of not thinking clearly. Just my opinion.
I could totally see that because I have said quite a few times as much as I have bragged about CZ and H&K being the only brands in my safe that has never had a single failure. It would hurt my soul to have to report that a CZ had failed, but if I had to, I would but it would be a tough thing to do and definitely would put me in a bad headspace. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.
I just sent me P09c Nocturne back to CZ, it pretty much had all the issues you brought up. Wouldn't go into battery on a full mag. slide would lock back mid mag and I had the odd jam where the round jammed in the right side of the chamber. Shot fmj and hollow. 115g and 124g. 150+ rounds would not run. No optic.
Wow let me know what they say
@@GSquaredTactical will do
Thanks
Damn. Maybe some QC issues on the new run? that sucks to hear.
@RikkiTikkiTavi290 no issues with mine but we shall see as I get further into the testing
I seen his video on this pistol but I am thinking he go a lemon 🤷♂️
That’s a very real possibility
Love your videos but dude you should rly invest in a little table to put in front of you when you do these things lol
I have one and have used it before but people complained about that as well. I can’t afford 3 cameras and I filmed 80% alone (by myself) so I can’t constantly zoom in and out on the guns that’s why I try to put videos over the video to kill the noice or use my tailgate. Again I buy all my own guns, ammo, mics, software to edit, and my own time. I literally have a white lifetime table in that tent to the left but when I used it it was distracting to me to have to keep walking around it and also the ground is unlevel so everything kept rolling off the table. Hopefully if I ever get a bunch of supporters on Patreon, free guns to review or actually make money from products people buy I can get a better set up. For now I’m doing my best and God knows my heart that is true
@@GSquaredTactical maybe instead of place it in front of you you can place it off to the right side of you? That way it’s in front of the camera still but not blocking your walking path at all. You also don’t need a big one even one of those small 1x2 foot foldable tables will be helpful. Just trying to help. Otherwise keep up the great honest work!
No, that’s exactly the size I have in that tent. If you look at some of our older videos, you will see it in the videos. However, the ground out there is so lumpy and unlevel no matter how I would set it up or I would try to prop it up with every single time I would lay ammo or a magazine or something like that on therewhile I was filming and just look like an incompetent While I was filming and just look like an incompetent butt so I used the tailgate of the truck for the longest time because basically that is a small table
@@GSquaredTactical understandable.
You do get duds with everything. Hopefully it was just a dud that Honest Outlaw got. Hopefully CZ replaces the firearm and gets a rerun.
Yeah it just sucks that the potential dud ended up in one of the biggest RUclipsrs hands especially since CZ sucks at marketing and ran off their impeccable reliability record. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
Very odd since internally it’s the same. Could be qa or some issue with setup. All that being said generally never buy a new machine. Car, truck etc. just ask those 22+ Tundra owners. Lol
Lol
Red Dot screw is little too long and touching the extractor grind it down just a little problem solved
I had no problems with mine through 1200 rounds. Did you watch the video
I think most of HO problems was his wife shooting and was ok ,when he shot it , as watching the vid
She had 11 malfunctions and he had 2. I know from watching them for years she doesn’t limp wrist that bad in fact she’s a decent shot. My wife shoot mine in every video I’ve done and she famously limp wrist but getting way better and it was fine even with her shooting. I think everyone is anxiously awaiting to see what he finds out. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
If people like dishonest outlaw tried testing their guns 100% stock instead of tacking on junk like flashlights, red dots, and wrong magazines until the test is over.........just sayin'.
I’ve had no problems with mine with all that added. Out to 1200 rounds now without incident. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
man i like that dude but he will bash a gun that has one stove pipe in a thousand rounds lol i definitely value his opinion as he has a lot of experience but i take his opinion with a grain of salt sometimes also
I mean I’m ocd and hard on guns and expect a lot as well and I’m not sure what’s going on with his sample but I’m anxious to find out. Thanks for watching and commenting and be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
My 2 cents without owning one is that this is the first Gen of this model. Honest Outlaw, I personally think, just got a lemon. It does happen with first-generation anything. I do appreciate the video covering the issues he did experience. Honest Outlaw does love his CZ's, so it was not an attempt to bash the brand.
I literally never one time said that he was attempting to bash the brand I just want to make that very clear. I simply was taking people’s concerns and trying to duplicate them to give them peace of mind and myself as well. Until HO updates we don’t know. Thanks for watching and commenting and please be sure to subscribe if you haven’t already
@@GSquaredTactical was not implying you were making any statement towards Honest Outlaw. My apologies for making it seem that way.
@sdaga2302 no I was just clarifying because I go out of my way not to discredit peoples experiences even my viewers I mean your experience is your experience you know
If my wife seems unhappy with me, I am hesitant to hand her a loaded weapon! Good on you. 😊
Watch j.zhredz video on this gun. He had issues as well but it seems like you found what the issue is
Well, I don’t know if I have or not. I think everyone is anxiously waiting to see what OH outcome is. Thanks for watching and for commenting and be sure to subscribe if you have not already.