Two Amazing And Obscure MMA Styles - Horting vs Kudo

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  • Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025

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  • @dpeshy6719
    @dpeshy6719 Год назад +35

    "Rukopashniy biy" not "horting" - it's just the rebranding of the old soviet hand-to-hand mma fighting system that had sambo, combat sambo, kickboxing/boxing, karate, judo all compiled into one discipline. "Rukopasjniy biy" literally translates as "hand-to-hand combat"

    • @FightCommentary
      @FightCommentary  Год назад +6

      So the google translator I put it through might have translated it wrong. I'll pin your comment here so anyone else who speaks Ukrainian can elaborate on the original video's details.

  • @badfoody
    @badfoody Год назад +25

    Kudo guys are really scary.
    You see Kudo allows headbutts so during their tournaments they wear a face shield. Of course that makes breathing really freaking hard
    so their stamina is really high

  • @Monke-fj2qz
    @Monke-fj2qz Год назад +33

    Honestly the more I look at martial arts the more I think that all styles are MMA or were at some point. Judo had striking, and karate was based on Okinawa wrestling. Muay Thai had far more wrestling when it was Muay Boran and even BJJ incorporated some basic striking(if you look back at Royce Gracie you can see him doing a sort of side kick to prep his opponent for a takedown).
    The idea that martial arts solely focus on one aspect of fighting (striking, grappling, wrestling, etc) seems to be a modern occurrence caused by sport rules.

    • @FightCommentary
      @FightCommentary  Год назад +9

      Very likely!

    • @otavionathanael7053
      @otavionathanael7053 Год назад +7

      I believe that these martial arts were meant to work properly in a fight, so they had to use more than one thing, or better saying anything they could use in a fight. Recently I found out that even aikido had strikes (atemi waza)

    • @Rex-golf_player810
      @Rex-golf_player810 Год назад +3

      Its probably true to some extent
      If we want to fight or self defend well, the most logical step is to learn more and more about every realm of fighting there is

    • @koraegi
      @koraegi Месяц назад

      Thats the curse of becoming an Olympic sport

  • @combatsportsarchive7632
    @combatsportsarchive7632 Год назад +64

    Kudo (formerly Kakuto Karate or Fighting Karate) was created by a former practitioner of Kyokushin Karate named Takashi Azuma since 1981. That was several years before UFC 1 (November 12, 1993) so the Japanese was quite ahead in the development of mixed martial arts. But Japan's earliest example of mixed martial arts was Nippon Kempo (1932) which is also a mix of Karate, boxing and Judo except it is made of Okinawan Karate instead of Kyokushin Karate. They have some notable fighters in kickboxing and MMA such as Kenichi Osada, Semmy Schilt (heavyweight champion in K-1) and Hisaki Kato (Bellator MMA). From what I've seen, Kudo is essentially amateur MMA mixed with modern Budo for both MMA and TMA fans.

    • @toyoseries
      @toyoseries Год назад +7

      Iirc, it says that this style also incorporate muay thai, jujitsu, and wrestling elements later on as it evolves throughout the years since it's creation.

    • @combatsportsarchive7632
      @combatsportsarchive7632 Год назад +11

      @@toyoseries Yeah, they are open minded towards other fighting arts. I think Kudo deserves more recognition from the MMA community.

    • @toyoseries
      @toyoseries Год назад +5

      ​@@combatsportsarchive7632 Just imagine in this and silat got invited to UFC 1, they would've gotten more attention by now and give Gracie some trouble and probably won.

    • @vicarious7858
      @vicarious7858 Год назад +1

      Name checks out.

    • @Mustard_Dispenser
      @Mustard_Dispenser Год назад +4

      Also formerly known as daido juku.

  • @TheJadekungfu
    @TheJadekungfu Год назад +19

    Kudo has its origin in kyukushin karate. From what I remember from a kyukushin karateka, the reason why they drop their hands is to create added torque in the kick and to block an attack from that side.

  • @tonydismukes4409
    @tonydismukes4409 Год назад +14

    I believe that Kudo normally allows grabbing the gi to set up punches, sweeps, and throws. So wearing boxing gloves is probably a bit of a disadvantage for the Kudo fighter (assuming that he normally uses those tactics.)

    • @rew7974
      @rew7974 Год назад +3

      You’re correct. The big difference with mma is that you have some standing techniques and standing game which blends gi holds with strikes. Also, while the striking is almost totally similar to Muay Thai, the clinch is a bit different due to the gi (and headbutts). What really doesn’t work for mma is the ground game, which is simple old school judo newaza with a ridiculous 30sec limits. So cross train is necessary

  • @gailvalleymartialarts
    @gailvalleymartialarts Год назад +21

    Yes! There are some awesome MMA-like arts out there that are not so well known. Many people know about Combat Sambo these days, but there is also Combat Ju-Jutsu, Ju-Jitsu Full Contact, Ju-Jitsu Fighting System (although this has some weird rules and only light contact striking from a distance), Kampjujutsu, and maybe others.

    • @gailvalleymartialarts
      @gailvalleymartialarts Год назад +2

      Nippon Kempo is another one

    • @FightCommentary
      @FightCommentary  Год назад +6

      Could you send some links? I’ll take a look! Appreciate the leads!

    • @gailvalleymartialarts
      @gailvalleymartialarts Год назад

      @@FightCommentary Sure! Here you go:
      Combat Ju-Jutsu event: watch?v=Ji9y8LG9tu0 (it would be very awesome to have English commentary for this sport!)
      Combat Ju-Jutsu highlights: watch?v=rHVbes_iQTU
      Ju-Jitsu Full Contact: watch?v=daK92ZiVRTY (fight), watch?v=JrQ3M2oYnfE (highlights). There is also a German version called "Allkampf": watch?v=MnUhWWwy9Bg
      Fighting System: watch?v=Z5sigH_bHcY (fight), watch?v=zrAqR3gI0wo (highlights of different disciplines - fighting system is the one where they wear the gloves # shin guards)
      Kampjujutsu: watch?v=t6n16pMUnh4, watch?v=dvijWgkrik8, watch?v=ZXAYrcX939Y (those are all sparring videos from belt tests)
      Nippon Kempo: watch?v=SPsTZSYa12A
      (You can also find more stuff like that in my "Gi MMA" playlist)
      Not in a gi, but in case you don't know it yet: Shootboxing has stand-up striking, standing submissions, and takedowns: watch?v=S68v6wQXj2k

  • @KingoftheJiangl
    @KingoftheJiangl Год назад +11

    A lot of guys drop their hands when they're just out of kick range. People who understands distance pretty well do this to give themselves a break or as a slight flex, like "i don't even need a guard"

  • @IntergalacticPirateRadio
    @IntergalacticPirateRadio Год назад +1

    I love how varied Martial Arts can be. Even MMA, something you think we already know everything about. We find out new things everyday.

  • @robertmiller8110
    @robertmiller8110 Год назад +4

    There was a Kudo Daidojuku school in HK.

  • @azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158
    @azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158 Год назад +17

    I thought Kudo was widely known, with the "bubble fish tank helmets" and so. Kind of a gendai budo jujutsu. But I have to admit my starts in fighting arts were in Judo and later Karate so maybe it's just me.

    • @toyoseries
      @toyoseries Год назад +4

      Despite the helmets, those matches have it's fair-share of gnarly knockouts.

    • @azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158
      @azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158 Год назад +9

      @@toyoseries Yep, helmets protect against cuts and skin swelling but NOT against concussions The vibration or jarring the brain suffers from impacts is made worst by helmets. I prefer skin deep injuries rather than brain injuries. Broken nose over brain damage philosophy.

    • @trapperscout2046
      @trapperscout2046 Год назад +5

      @@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158 I think they also wear the helmets since headbutting is a thing in Kudo.

  • @YouCallThataKnife253
    @YouCallThataKnife253 Год назад +6

    The Horting fighter established the takedown early on, and then Kudo fighter was afraid of it for the rest of the match

  • @SeanLarsDogma
    @SeanLarsDogma Год назад +1

    I know Kudo since it was part of UFC 2. One of the guys whom Royce fought practiced Kyokushin and Kudo.
    Horting, I’ve just found out today because of your video. I tried to search here in RUclips but all I see are kids practicing it.

  • @ComicusFreemanius
    @ComicusFreemanius Год назад +2

    Their production value is pretty great ngl

  • @shadowfighter6445
    @shadowfighter6445 Год назад +4

    This is interesting, I've never heard of horting before.
    I gotta research this 🤔.

    • @FightCommentary
      @FightCommentary  Год назад +3

      If you find anything cool, please either show me here or on IG or FB. Thanks man and appreciate your enthusiasm!

    • @shadowfighter6445
      @shadowfighter6445 Год назад +2

      @@FightCommentary sure thing 🤓.

  • @maivrei5077
    @maivrei5077 Год назад +10

    They have hp bars

    • @Erime
      @Erime Год назад

      They need power up bar also for a super move - the kudo guy especially coulda used it - he's got the lore.

  • @kardeskalap2165
    @kardeskalap2165 3 месяца назад

    In eastern europe we have many such styles where you are fighting with boxing gloves but ground fighting is allowed for a limited amount of time (10-30sec). The goal is to "simulate" a street fighting situation when you want mostly solve the problem with kicks and punches and you can take someone to the ground as well, but need to finish it very fast before friends "jump in".

  • @abrahemsamander3967
    @abrahemsamander3967 Год назад

    Never heard of horting before. Sounds cool.

  • @natejames3299
    @natejames3299 Год назад

    I've commented before. I believe you and I should start a weekly podcast.

  • @fuzz3339
    @fuzz3339 8 месяцев назад

    They should have just gone with the mma gloves so we could have seen some more showcase of moves from both styles. Good fight overall … great video 👍🏾

  • @jestfullgremblim8002
    @jestfullgremblim8002 Год назад +1

    I have never practiced Horting formally, i only know what other practitioners have taught me and what i could find outside of actual classes, i really did not expect this art to appear on this channel.
    I did think that the art could gain popularity because Ukraine has been in the spotlight for a while, but it seems like that will not happen.

  • @1individeo
    @1individeo Год назад +2

    You forgot to mention that kudo normally includes headbutts, and also the video is a fight between a brown belt and a black belt...

  • @HanniSeidenba0525
    @HanniSeidenba0525 Год назад

    Hands up, gentlemen. Defend yourself all time.

  • @M3124-t5f
    @M3124-t5f Год назад +1

    Trained kudo, boxing gloves do limits at some degree. Not allowing headbutts is also a thing

  • @paulbernal07
    @paulbernal07 Год назад +2

    I don´t see any Kudo on the "Kudo" guy, definitely not at brown belt level. Blue belt level maximum maybe, horrible fight.

  • @StrumVogel
    @StrumVogel Год назад +29

    Kudo has Judo throws and ground attacks in its system. This rule set nerfd Kudo’s effectiveness.

    • @azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158
      @azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158 Год назад +3

      Can't agree more. Was going to comment something similar.

    • @MrTheil
      @MrTheil Год назад +2

      Don’t forget headbutts.

    • @hypnoticskull6342
      @hypnoticskull6342 Год назад +1

      Still shouldn't be an excuse. Yeah, headbutts arent allowed, but still lol

    • @KingoftheJiangl
      @KingoftheJiangl Год назад +1

      What kind of gloves do thet use? MMA?

    • @hypnoticskull6342
      @hypnoticskull6342 Год назад +3

      @@KingoftheJiangl
      They use a different kind of gloves, but it's basically MMA gloves

  • @sirpibble
    @sirpibble Год назад +3

    I like that kudos competitions use a combination of height + weight to determine weight class
    That dampens weight cutting abuse
    6'2"? You're not fighting at 155

    • @monarch1651
      @monarch1651 Год назад

      Unfortunately that is a huge downside for small framed tall guys like myself. Im 6'3 and after nearly a decade of bjj and average weight training I weigh in the mid 170s. When I get back from hiking trips usually drop several pounds so I could easily make 155 with just a camp and skipping dinner the night before weigh ins. There are a lot of different kinds of freaks of nature, most aren't very useful at all lol

    • @HeathenRides
      @HeathenRides Год назад

      @@monarch1651 I had similar issue as junior but at age 15 I just decided to put on weight and train really hard trough the rest of my puberty to use that hormone production to get big and strong when I came in high enough weight class i had to change stuff like shelling up to just move my head out of the way instead, because we could suddenly all knock each other out trough the guard it changes everything.
      Being tall is a big advantage because you can very easily knee shorter guys in the head in the infigthing and clinching range while they can barely kick above your shoulders, So you have a massive advantage specifically if competing in such low weight classes you wouldn't need much technical skills to ragdoll trough a lot of competitions maybe you did already. Just move up to average weight for your size.. Even it will be harder to dominate and win you will develop so much more as an athlete.

  • @_aquila21_nb_3
    @_aquila21_nb_3 Год назад +1

    How can u do Judo takedowns with that gloves

  • @scaredycart4232
    @scaredycart4232 Год назад +1

    kudo is not just karate boxing, its like MMA have throw like judo and jiujitsu

  • @obiwanquixote8423
    @obiwanquixote8423 Год назад

    What's up with the health bars on the side for each fighter?

    • @mengmao5033
      @mengmao5033 Год назад

      i'm guessing it's wired up to electronic scoring by the judges. Or at least I hope it's correlated to official scoring and not just the production team.

  • @mtbalot
    @mtbalot Год назад

    I swear they all look like Charlie Zee in that country, the true GOAT.

  • @hypnoticskull6342
    @hypnoticskull6342 Год назад +1

    I don't think the Kudo dude got informed on the rules properly. I think they wanted the Horting dude to win

  • @DanTheWolfman
    @DanTheWolfman Год назад +2

    Now I Want some Tim Hortons Coffee but Canada is far away.. thanks a lot 😂 if it's Ukrainian event big surprise if Ukrainian system Fighter had more experience

    • @DanTheWolfman
      @DanTheWolfman Год назад

      @@andrewk.5575 I'm not sure I'd go that far...

  • @clarkme8952
    @clarkme8952 Год назад +1

    Why do they wear Gi for this? They can't grab with gloves

  • @theheralds4619
    @theheralds4619 Год назад +1

    Kudo should be allowed to headbutt

  • @neokimchi
    @neokimchi Год назад +2

    kudo has gi grabs so big gloves def is a weird choice

    • @FightCommentary
      @FightCommentary  Год назад +2

      I’m so glad you saw this. I was gonna ask you about kudo and the other kyokushin match. Let’s get you in a segment soon if I look at more kyokushin or kudo. Would love to see you show something from the systems that casuals don’t know about.

  • @HanniSeidenba0525
    @HanniSeidenba0525 Год назад

    They told me Kudo is Kyokushin and Judo.

  • @PLSCORPION227
    @PLSCORPION227 2 месяца назад

    The problem with Kudo's guy is the fact that he can't land his blows well and doesn't pay attention to his takedowns, which is why he lost on score

  • @saddiqstevens7200
    @saddiqstevens7200 Год назад

    Hey bro can you do one with kudo vs boxer with mma rules? Great content.

  • @lelieutenant7386
    @lelieutenant7386 Год назад

    I love "hurting" lol but I think Kudo has more behind than this guy shows off.

  • @jasonrandall5148
    @jasonrandall5148 Год назад +1

    The original Karate was MMA it was kicks punches judo Jujitsu aikido.

    • @gurugeorge
      @gurugeorge Год назад +1

      Yeah. In fact, as I understand it, nearly all the East Asian styles were essentially MMA, just with differing emphases. For example a fair number of Chinese styles incorporate some Shuai Jiao, as well as some joint-locking techniques that are common property across all CMA, similarly, Tan Tui (kicking and conditioning for kicking) is both a style of its own and is incorporated into most CMA. It's rather similar to the way BJJ and MT have been incorporated into various Western styles - they eventually become a kind of shared, common property. Even if you go back to Okinawan Karate's Chinese predecessor, Southern Crane, it's the same - very much a mixed style.
      The fact that mixing up throwing, wrestling, striking and ranges seemed like some new marvelous thing in the 1970s and 1980s was an artifact of the early sportification of Western MA (plus analogous developments in Japan, from where Westerners first got the first real taste of Eastern MA via former US military, etc). (Although Savate is probably the earliest historical incorporation of Eastern kicking styles into a Western style - I vaguely recall that Savate initially evolved from a loose street-fighting style that developed among French sailors who had picked up various bits and bobs in their voyages East, though that might be apocryphal :) )
      In the West, you had the primary split between boxing and wrestling, and their subsequent sportification, quite early, some time after the Renaissance and the large-scale incorporation of guns into military combat. Narrowing down the ranges and techniques makes for a better, more focused spectator sport (as the MMA crowd keeps rediscovering :) ), essentially; it's also easier to train kids in villages in cut-down, focused styles, just to keep up peoples' health and combative spirit (again, it's similar in the West and East - Shuai Jiao is common for strapping young village lads to do in China for fun, same as Wrestling used to be in the UK). Then when you re-join those split things, it becomes "MMA." But if you look at the old Western Mediaeval/Renaissance manuals, it was all mixed up - in particular, wrestling and striking moves (e.g. elbow) were an integral part of even melee combat with weapons. And it was the same in East Asia (and probably the same in India, though I don't know much about Indian MA).
      In Japan, the idea of a "style" didn't really come in until Judo and Karate were developed - prior to that, there was just a distinction between the older, formalized weapon forms (the various "Kyu," or "schools") and what was generally called jiu-jitsu, which was just striking/throwing techniques that were common property, part native Japanese, part imported from China, which could also be used for self-defense in civilian life. In China, it was a similar situation - the idea of "styles" being special, distinct things, came more from the romantic Wuxia novels (as exemplfied in kungfu movies), where a "style" would be something the wise old sage could give you in a book he handed to you, that you accepted reverently. None of that is real: what actually existed in China was a smorgasbord of common techniques in all ranges, with different locales (clans, villages, regions) having different variations of combination, and slight variations on "secret" training methods (the famous "qi" business - mainly to do with fascia conditioning and breath/pressure conditioning, which if trained from a young age, can give a bit of extra edge).
      To put this another way, "single" styles that emphasize just striking or just wrestling or just throwing, are an artifact of a fairly narrow period (say from about the 19th century to the mid-20th century); mixtures of techniques and ranges have always been far more common, in both Western and Eastern MA.

  • @fernandosulantay
    @fernandosulantay Год назад +2

    I am a Kudoka if someone has questions ^^

    • @monarch1651
      @monarch1651 Год назад

      How do you keep a garden hose from kinking if you don't have something round to wrap it around?

    • @Italo_ellenico
      @Italo_ellenico 6 месяцев назад

      Now I don't know exactly how it works, but you learn many techniques of other martial arts ?

    • @fernandosulantay
      @fernandosulantay 6 месяцев назад

      @@Italo_ellenico yes, kudo is a Japanese MMA, basically the same as normal MMA but with a headgear (to allow headbutts) and a GI to improve grappling (for example grabbing the neck or clothes and hitting or using more "street fight techniques". Now, to answer your question, yes, we train techniques from separate martial arts, for example, we do 1 hour of only matches of grappling (BJJ normally) as the warm up for the class, then on Tuesday we practice striking for another hour and at the end sometimes we do kudo matches, the same on Thursday except that after the grappling matches we do a grappling class, then on Saturday we do whatever the teacher wants us to do. Normally for striking we increase the intensity gradually to warp up sparring, the first round is only boxing with punches to the body, the next round is kickboxing to the body, and then after warming up punches and kicks we allow blows to the head, then you can do kickboxing or Muay Thai style of fighting or just kudo adding grappling in between, but that depends if you got all the gear and both people want to and everything

    • @Italo_ellenico
      @Italo_ellenico 6 месяцев назад

      @fernandosulantay do they allow strikes in a ground fight like knee strikes?

  • @testname9121
    @testname9121 Год назад

    I looked up the Cyrillic spelling of Horting and it is "Хортинг", which leads me to believe that you are pronouncing it correctly (at least in an American fashion). Sometimes the English translation of Ukrainian words that have a "g" sound (" Г ") is spelled with an "h" when transliterated to English but is actually pronounced like a "g" in Ukrainian.

  • @ProdigiousReturn
    @ProdigiousReturn Год назад +2

    Kudo needs its helmet and light gloves. Without that it’s been limited. How can they head butt and grapple. This is just glorified k1 kickboxing

  • @toyoseries
    @toyoseries Год назад

    Imagine a match with either one of these guys going against a silat fighter.

    • @Joelvel
      @Joelvel Год назад

      Silat fighter will get wrecked.

  • @desmondburton1773
    @desmondburton1773 Год назад

    You keep saying unique system as of MMA. This is actual MMA not a unique variant lol.

  • @RedKing64
    @RedKing64 Год назад +1

    Kudo Guys know how to grapple, this one ... not...

    • @toyoseries
      @toyoseries Год назад +1

      Kinda hard to do so with those big ass pillows on their hands.

    • @RedKing64
      @RedKing64 Год назад

      @@toyoseries yet the other guy took him down with ease.... For me there are just Kudo guys that are much much better, this one seemed more like a standar karateka.