I think that's exactly what it is-mr. girl's main channel content makes WAY more sense once you start to realize he's both acting as a performance artist and blending the lines between life and art, and his behavior makes more sense once you start to realize he knows that he's doing it instead of (as Destiny does) assuming he's so mega-autistic he doesn't understand why he's upsetting people. It's much more likely that he knows what he's doing will upset people and that he simply chooses to do so anyway, especially when you consider that, not only has he chosen to include this footage from a whole load of raw footage, but that he's gone further by isolating this section and releasing it on his RUclips channel devoid of context in a filmmaking style that deliberately showcases his abusive, manipulative behavior (the framing, the setup, his editing choices, like including the sobs, including the crunching sounds from his eating, including the part about asking her how much time is left on the camera, and so on). I'm not defending his behavior, his relationship, or even him, himself. I think it's a pretty shitty thing to do, and I think there's a legitimate concern for harm from the way he treats his girlfriend (at best, just harm to their relationship, at worst, harm to her mental health), though most of the people I see talking about it seem to think he doesn't know what he's doing or doesn't understand how he's coming across (Destiny included), when I think he very much does.
@@ghost_orchid5535 Of course he knows what he's doing...he is doing it not only for the sake of how he wants the audience to view him, but also how he wants to see himself. Not to be too reductive but I see Mr. Girl as someone who wasn't particularly cool growing up, who probably didn't do well with women, and as much as he wants to present himself as someone who is trying to dig in and get into the depths of people's emotions or motivations, I think this kind of behavior comes from a very shallow and simple place of wanting to feel like he is someone who's in control of his woman and show anyone who'll pay attention that he's, for lack of a better word, a pimp...which in reality, he couldn't be any further from.
it doesn't start that way, the avuser makes them attached, causes great suffering and then comforts the suffering so the victim becomes very dependent. then they get stuck, they are also usually very scared. like he dangled rape over her head this whole time.
@@ifinditinteresting.8709 That's cute, but mental abuse is more complicated than "just don't do it, are you crazy?" You being a woman and not getting her predicament just makes it slightly worse.
@@wallyaloud what would be the clue or the difference between this being real or fake? Besides assuming his brain state which he already does about other people
@@dreamspeakhomie the way he deliberately exaggerates all of his stories to make them seem way worse than they were. When my ex gave me a black eye and beat the shit out of me, I did not merely say, "You just hit me?" or "Why did you hit me?" or whatever his ex allegedly said with little to no concern when he "punched" her in the face. And when he said "punch", I don't think it was what anybody else would describe as a punch. But that's just a feeling I get..
@@wallyaloud thats what makes this whole thing kind of cringe. "If you hate me, you don't get it!" No, people get it, the shtick is just not that fun to everyone.
@@dreamspeakhomie people just randomly think everyone on the internet is acting. its genuinely insane how a lot of humans think. Also these are the same guys to think everyone is on cocaine if they have high energy
Glad he cleared up that his partner is the controlling one by aggressively arguing with his partner about why she's wrong about everything in a public forum.
Bro, arguing isn't controlling. It's just advocating for your own interests. Idk what kind of limp-dicked relationship you have to have where you never have arguments. I don't see how Shaelin is controlling either, but neither is he. He wants her to take MORE control. He wants LESS control. He wants less responsibility, and therefore wants less power.
@@cuylerbrehaut9813 Saying "I want you to just lie there but don't tell me you're okay with it because that ruins it for me." "Yes it does bother you, shut up." "Can I just talk uninterrupted? Like can you not even say 'go for it?' just shut up." That's not asserting, that's either a joke that they're both in on, or it's controlling insane person behavior.
That was the first shooter I played with immaculately balanced time to kill based on weapon. There's a gun for 2 shot, 3 shot, 4 shot, and 5. Less shots to kill = faster time to kill but more punishing. If you miss one of your 2 shot frontier rifle, the 3 shot semi rifle can kill before you can get the extra shot off. Great game. Maybe the best shooter I've played.
Destiny tried to begin an anti-misogyny arc and, over a week, managed to only make the community more misogynistic while MrGirl was able to redirect all the hatred towards himself in 30 minutes.
@@johnandrew1987 even if you are a gigachad who has the sex 5 times per day with different people its still good to hear tips for virgins because you might be missing stuff
I thought MrGirl having a girlfriend was actually a meme. How the fuck does someone tolerate being in a room with him, let alone a relationship. God speed for this woman, she must have the patience of a goddamn saint.
@@importantstuf8870 Can you explain how this is abuse? Or maybe a better question, which part of this interactions constitutes the abuse to you? If I were to pick one thing, I think it probably is how he shoots down what she says without really considering what she is saying (I haven't finished the video yet).
48:30 Jesus..! In The Army thats at least (Dishonorible Discharge - For *His Behavior* ) I'd just cut ties w/o Him ~ At this Point Have had Family Members Do WAY Worse Shits - *IRL* Not Seeking Validation At all.
@@steveng6704 where is the nuance in telling someone to "lie down and get fucked and I don't care if u like it?" lol the police should legit be called before this woman gets murdered or given irreversible ptsd
Complaining about your partner being controlling, because she wants to know how your massive sex contract is going to work, while also micro-managing the entire conversation and telling her to shut up every time the conversation doesn't flow the way you want it to is... insane.
He accuses her of being manipulative and then emotionally manipulates her by saying "You're ruining this." and "I don't care what you think." Anyone who doesn't realize Mr. Girl is toxic in this relationship is real dumb. Mr. Girl is a really interesting guy, and capable of making interesting art, but he has the emotional intelligence of a high school boy.
@@Axxilles I don't think it's low EQ. Probably the opposite actually, just with some very selfish underpinnings. This behavior is what I'd expect from a person who is simultaneously extremely emotionally analytical and extremely egocentric.
He was right. She was making a big deal out of a non-issue when she could have just said "okay so starting next month", and he even pointed out "it's the 29th!" to try to point out how absurd her quibbling is.
@@usucdik No, she wasn't. She just asked. Sometimes I ask my boss "what are we doing today". It makes 0 difference. I'm gonna do the thing regardless and I don't need to prep, but I like knowing what I'm gonna be doing. On top of that, humans aren't some weird hyper rational robots. Go talk to Cortana if you want that. Humans do and say irrational and irrelevant shit all the time, especially when they're uneasy. It doesn't mean someone's maliciously trying to manipulate you. That's just your paranoya mixing with your lack of social skills there bud.
@@DiddntFindANameLol nice weird and twisted rant there. Adds up to nothing and has no relevancy. Then you pretend to be knowledgeable about human behavior or whatever, when your entire point was "none of it makes sense!" Wow, so insightful.
@@SlickWillHermsted I think he meant that Shaylin is trying her best to understand him and takes care to act the way he wants her to even when she doesn't succeed at it
@@Ian-ky5hf I don't think he yells at her when she tries to set boundaries, when she set boundaries like, I can't do this, he says ok. Also I'm not sure if he yelled at her at all in the interview? I just don't recall, I think his voice raised when he protested her saying he threatened her. Voice raising does not a yell make.
Omg I just realized the irony of him saying he doesn’t want to caretake just because he’s in a position of power over her and that’s exactly why he got mad at Destiny, because Destiny didn’t want to censor his audience and use kid gloves with streamers with a smaller audience. Insane hypocrisy. I wonder if he’d admit it or weasel his way out of it.
Yeah it rules (jk but I don’t agree that that’s what’s happening) it’s clear destiny loves it, watch him emulate Max even more as the video goes on, he can’t help himself. He’s jealous he can’t engage in straight up psycho sexual manipulation of those around him like max appears to.
I feel emotionally abused just watching this. cannot imagine the effect of listening to this daily! Her even considering this convo as fuckin normal is absolutely insane am I crazy?!
@@callum6224 you don't agree that Mr girl is gaslighting his girlfriend in this video? And Destiny barely even reacted the whole video what are you talking about lol.
When he said "You have to. I need it." She should have responded with, "That's not my problem." Because that's apparently how he feels about her needs.
@@Boredguy112 the context to "you need to" is going back to earlier on when they both agreed that if she wanted the relationship to continue then sex, and his requests, were essential, so in essence she did need to. Otherwise they'd be separated. It's the only other part of the video they both said "need to". It's obvious. That's why she didn't react in the way the commenter here has with his comment because she understands the context of why he's saying it to her.
What I see when I watch these conversations is a man who simply hates women and is therefore annoyed with every response she might possibly give. I don’t accuse people of things like misogyny, racism, homophobia, etc, lightly. People accuse each other of those things at the drop of a hat nowadays, and it’s a huge problem. But these conversations seem to me to have no other plausible explanation. Literally everything she says annoys him, and she often responds one way, he expresses how “annoying” it was, so then she responds in the exact opposite way, and that annoys him too. It’s a trap that she can’t possibly get out of, and the only sense I can make of it is that he simply detests her existence. I’ve never seen something like this up close and personal before. It is really ugly.
to me it just seems like Max has rationalized his abusive behaviors as his art form, a cultural statement, or being honest. For this reason I think it's kinda impossible for anyone to tell him anything different because it's like a core thing of his identity at this point.
Absolutely agree. Everyone can see he's just being abusive and mean, but he seems to have romanticized it. I think he loves the people calling him out, too, because he gets to feel intellectually superior to them. He's the type to believe he's enlightened unlike everyone else.
@@Savannah- i think so too. i could be super wrong and maybe their couples counseling will bring some context I'm unaware of but I really don't think Max would be willing to listen to a counselor
Idk kinda jacked that he filmed it and then laughed at her crying, but otherwise seemed to me like he was telling her to have agency. He might be laughing at the ridiculousness or irony of him treating her like a equal while simultaneously having to make decisions for her which her best interest in mind.
I was gonna comment something similar, it's like he perceives himself as beyond human. In reality he's just as human as the rest of us, just doesn't think normally so he thinks he's superior and more intelligent.
@@neglectfulsausage7689 Telling someone they can leave, knowing full well that their entire existence is based around you, is textbook abuse. Every abuse victim has heard that line. Shaylin can leave, but then she has no lover, no boyfriend, she loses access to security and a home, among other things. It's a threat from Max, and he knows he has all of the power by making ultimatums. If you have to make ultimatums in a relationship, end the fucking relationship. MG needs someone way closer to his intensity, and she needs someone more empathetic. There doesn't need to be a winner or a loser, are we fucking 12?
@@neglectfulsausage7689 Neither of them are narcissists or bad people. They are just a couple, trying to resolve conflict. It's actually quite mundane if you can look past the aggressive rhetoric of mrgirl.
@Jo It doesn't have to be their whole existence or even a significant part of it. It can be surprisingly simple things that people don't want to give up. Also, assuming that people who are abused knowingly hand over significant parts of their lives to their abusers is retarded. Most abusers will always take opportunities to 'own' the other person more. This can be things like offering to be the sole owner of x or y, offer to pay the others bills, do their taxes whatever. They deny their victim opportunities to learn useful skills or grow independently. And all of these things can be past off as good-hearted things, so until the facade wears off, the victim will feel loved and taken care of. By the time they realize what's happening, they've forfeited much of their personal autonomy to the other person. These are super simple entry level facts about abuse. I'm also not gendering anything I'm saying so fuck off with the "infantilizing women" thing. This can happen to anyone.
@@BubbleTea033 I mean I agree with all your points but most men between the ages of 5 and 45 have been raised on the idea that "women are all powerful and don't need no man and are strong independent fierce warriors". How is it a threat if a person doesn't see it as a threat? Most men in these situations have no idea why a woman will stay with him if he is "that terrible" along with the fact that the media and culture have demonized every male, even if they are liberal scumbags. There's a lot of confusion when it comes to dating, and liberalism certainly helped make that a reality.
She’s controlling? My man is literally laying down ground rules for sex: she can’t move, she can’t speak? Should she go full corpse and stop breathing too? And after all that, the cherry on top. “U wanna play Smash?” What a fucking sociopath.
For full corpse she has to take an ice bath before sex for the cold feeling. Learned this from a recent reddit ask me anything as people confessed fucked up things they were asked to do before/during sex.
@@grimsong2237 I never believe the extreme reddit posts like those ones, people are happy to make up a messy story for karma. Happens on r/AITA and r/sex all the time.
At this point it just feels like MrGirl enjoys the attention he gets from others seeing him as an abuser. The way he starts these stupid arguments and is impossible to reason with/talk to just makes him look like a narcissist as if he enjoys the attention/feeling of power.
In his last stream, he cherrypicked the more hyperbolic posts from Reddit and read them on stream. Completely ignored any nuanced takes or even ones that gave him credit, except the comments in response to that post. If you really look into it, he circlejerks a lot, makes assumptions on people, and is extremely stubborn. Just because someone is autistically "authentic" doesn't mean you can't act openly in bad faith.
I honestly suspect that he likes that he can get away with this in public and even get support for it. He loves walking this line between just being open and honest and being low empathy. I don't know what he has to do if admitting to hitting an ex and then bullying his girlfriend into tears doesn't make people realise he's exactly what he's looked like all along. He's covering his smile at the end to try and hide how much he enjoyed this.
MrGirl has some of the grossest hypocrisies on sex I've seen without literally getting into sex crimes. The fact that he starts this off by saying, "Shut up and stop telling me you're enjoying this or making it okay to treat you like a sex doll, I don't care." and then later on is complaining that she's not setting boundaries and he's unable to tell if he's allowed to have sex with her is wild. That combined with the rest of the conversation just paints MrGirl as someone that literally needs a contract written up saying when, where and how he can have sex; not for anyone's protection, but so that the moment someone changes their mind or grows as a person he can hold it up and say, "You agreed to it, whatever you're feeling is your problem. I'm gonna finish and do exactly what was promised to me.".
You actually have to look into the guy and his work to actually figure it out, so I understand if you don't get it. But you're just wrong. He wants something from his partner, so he asks for it. He is would accept no as an answer, and he would also allow his partner to rescind a yes at any point. His overarching goal is simply to have her make the decision on her own; giving him a full stop yes or full stop no. He would rather have a "no" than a "yes, but...." or even a yes now and no later. If she says yes, he just wants her to actually consent independently. He doesn't want to be her caretaker, he wants her to establish her own boundaries.
This is just INCREDIBLY dry humor. It wouldn't surprise me if MrGirl was inspired by other such comedians like Andy Kaufman. Take it with at least half a container's worth of salt.
not so sure about the "without literally getting into sex crimes" part, no way to know that and I definitely would not be surprised if something came out
@@Shrieqer I took it with the full container of salt and it was still not funny and still indicative of mrgirl probably being an abusive weirdo in real life
I honestly see her committing suicide not because she wants to die but because that will be her taking back her power. I so hope I'm wrong & she leaves his ass.
So glad people are finally coming the the realization that Mr. Girl is just a terrible person, I felt insane for finding the dude insufferable and manipulative and also really uninteresting from the beginning, but now that people are coming to terms with the fact that he's just a pathetic, self obsessed loser I feel vindicated. Just wish destiny would stop having this dude on, or at least stop running defense for him in any capacity.
Wait, has anyone not seen him as kind of a shitty person? I think he's interesting, but he's just such a abrasive twat about everything, and he intentionally says and does things to try and bother people. He reminds me of like... the edgy annoying guy in school... Desperate for attention, even if it's negative. I think, under there, under that pile of mud, there's a decent person, but he just seems like he thinks he has to be like this, to be more interesting or something.
he has that attitude cause his daddy never loved him and has to deal with trauma. it says a lot when the only person being positive about him is himself.
I agree with other things you said but from the little I've seen of Destiny interacting with him it doesn't really seem like he's playing defence to him.
The fact that Max tried to play a power move by obnoxiously and noisily eating/slurping the orange but then ended up choking made me laugh so hard. Kinda wish he had continued to choke though…
@@Nightknight1992 Huge difference in a streamer needing to eat during his day and a dude pre-recording a video, then purposely taking his shirt off, talking while chewing & eating an orange in the most obnoxious way-directly into the microphone.. You really think he couldn’t have ate the orange before or after he recorded this weird ass video..?
Bro he’s 100% sadistic, he gets off on her pain. The doll, which he already knows she dislikes, makes him love it even more. Her crying and showing she’s hurt, makes him laugh and feel amused. So he loves using these mind fucks to control her. Max is obviously a strange person but I feel like the character he portrays on his videos, isn’t far off from his actual personality.
Or he just likes the doll doesn't do anything. Maybe he is laughing because he doesn't feel so bad about her crying after he thinks he aggressively demonstrated she was being controlling and her crying in the other room looks terrible for the video but he knows logically he didn't really do much to cause that much of a reaction. Or he laughed at the "mind fuck" he knew he'd get when she comes back and gives him a hug, knowing he can pan over to the doll for a creepy effect.
The fact that Destiny was so quiet during this interview (after giving his takes on make-up) hopefully is a sign he saw how messed up it was. In the past when he said Mr Girl is autistic, most of the time it was "he doesn't understand or is deciding not to follow social and conversational norms" but I was concerned sometimes it was "he's actually being manipulative but I'll play that off as Mr Girl being Mr Girl. Or at least give Mr Girl the benefit of the doubt." During this segment, either it's the first one and he see's it isn't autism, or even the second it's more "shit, I can't even play this off as not manipulative."
Destiny is a terrible judge of character and can never tell when someone is too toxic or dangerous to be around, despite the viewers he loves pretending consist of 100% people who don't go outside always catching these signs early on.
I actually believe MrGirl isn't autisitic it feels more like he's a psychopath, because he understands perfectly well how and why is girlfriend feels the way he feels and it looks like he almost enjoys driving her to tears and frustrating her with his convoluted logic games. I think it's all intentional on his part.
Yep. Mr. Girl is what happens when a reasonably intelligent, white, middle class, bearded cis male spends his life being medicore, realizes it in his mid 30s, and invests in a webcam and a microphone instead of a therapist.
I cannot fathom going into a relationship, but not wanting to handle essentially any emotional baggage from your partner. "I don't want to feel like my will is infringed during intercourse by having to think about pleasing you." or something around that affect. Maxed out ego-centrism right here, my gods.
It seems like a narcissist view of a relationship. He's basically saying that she needs to be emotionally available to him, but not the other way around. The dude is batshit insane by my Reckoning. His girlfriend cries and he laughs. She should probably GTFO
@@jacobd8351 my only problem with that is he added the sometimes at the end after a pause. Because of how he acts i dont know if that's on purpose, accident, or to cover his ass.
in this instance, it seems like he doesn't mind helping his gf handle her emotional baggage. what he does mind, is the feeling that she is forcing him to do it ALL the time, whether he wants to or not. even in cases, such as this one, where he wants her to help him handle his own emotional baggage. i think you can agree that the broader context of not wanting to "parent"(his words not mine) your so all the time is fine, but it's the details of this particular example that you have a problem with
Man I fee so vindicated watching this. I always thought Mr Girl was a total creep. Everything about his girlfriend was like “she used to do this, or say this, or want that, but I talked her out of it. I told her she couldn’t do that or be that way.” He’s also always been weirdly needy with Destiny. Idk why that never bothered him.
This feels like a fucked up performance art project where in the final video he stabs his girlfriend to death or something and then posts it online and waits to see how long it takes for him to get arrested and then pleads not guilty in court. That's just the vibe I get.
“What are you doing for your own boundaries?” “This part” “Except you’re ending the conversation” Yeah, that’s called enforcing boundaries which is what she should have done.
His point is that she could have enforced her boundaries IN THE CONVERSATION. Instead she didn't want to set any boundaries until she was breaking down, at which point she completely ended the conversation. It was all or nothing: either she doesn't have boundaries, or there's no conversation. The only way to have a productive negotiation is to uphold your boundaries DURING the conversation. That's what he wanted her to do.
@@cuylerbrehaut9813 She’s clearly not good at enforcing boundaries nor setting them in the first place. I get that for people who actually aren’t interested in trying to push someone’s boundaries that type of person can be frustrating to deal with. It takes always having to take a guess at mind reading in order to not feel like you might be taking advantage of the person. However, Max already knows he’s pushing her boundaries solely for his own benefit. I think he only wants her to be explicit because he knows she’s the type of person who will start off trying to agree to more than she is actually comfortable with, and then he can get whatever that is out of her while claiming he wasn’t pushing her for it. He doesn’t have to do the pushing because she does it to herself. We know he knows that by, for example, the way he characterized her thought process as doing gymnastics to reconceptualize what he was asking for as “‘an Act of Service’ Love Language” and didn’t want to hear about it. It’s all because he doesn’t want to take responsibility for her, which he openly announces. There is a degree of mutual responsibility for each other in any remotely healthy adult interaction or else such a thing as abuse couldn’t even be said to exist; it would just be people implicitly agreeing to particular treatments by continuing to put up with it.
Yeah, I agreed with him on that part. She is terrible at setting boundaries, she is unsure about almost everything. I think he purposely found a weak, easy to control person.
When I heard her cry, I didn't cry. But when I saw him laughing, I started to cry. Mr. Girl doesn't just want his girlfriend to be a doll in the bedroom but also wants her to be an emotionless doll permanently. On one end, he says that he doesn't want her to be emotional because he wants to feel like this act is consensual. *This is a lie;* he also said that he needs her to do this otherwise, he's being cucked by the doll, so why would he want her to stop? Allow me to explain: Mr. Girl's girlfriend made it crystal clear that sex makes her emotionally vulnerable and that she felt like that act takes advantage of her for his own gratification. The sexual act in itself is not abusive, nor is it abuse for him to propose this idea. The abuse is silent, innate, and comes before the sex even happens. He likes this, but she doesn't like this; this makes him like it more. She still agrees to it, and Mr Girl portrays this as her being abusive and controlling, causing her to become less emotionally independent. It's not that it makes her dependant on him, but still results in her lack of autonomy and authority over her own body and emotions. This turns her into the doll. TL;DR: It's clearly not the sex that gives him satisfaction. He fucks his girl, the doll, and the girl like she is a doll, and still is not satisfied. This isn't roleplaying and "pretend you are my doll." He gets satisfaction from the act of imposing true emotional domination over a woman and from stripping away her autonomy.
He strikes me as one of those people who'll never want to be in any club that'll have him as a member. In other words, if his partner is an enthusiastic participant, he's unhappy, bc it lowers her value in his eyes & makes the physical activity between them less gratifying for him. This usually goes back to childhood and having a highly critical parent. As an adult, this type of person is always searching to dominate someone who's resistant towards them. The moment that resistance becomes compliance, though, they're dissatisfied and off chasing something else.
@@scarletsletter4466 This may well be the case, I dont think playing really hard to get is quite the cause of this. It doesn't seem like he cares that she is resistant to him, I believe him when he says this. I think he doesn't like her being resistant to anyONE. "Suppress. Numb. Accept. NOT because I said so, but because that's what you're supposed to be. That is your role. It's on you." He wants to maintain the idea in his own mind that he's not the author of it all, it's part of the fantasy.
@@scarletsletter4466 you're just completely and wrong are not able to empathize with Max. Nevermind interpret his over the top fake video to what he's actually saying. He's clearly just making a point that he needs more sex from the relationship even if it's just her being a sex doll laying there. He says he loves and needs her but is just not being fulfilled in this category. When she tries to start qualifying and resisting his desires he responds back in kind because it's not what he wanted at all. She could have just said no, and frankly she should have if that's really the way she feels. Problem is if she admits that it means the end of their relationship, and she'd rather just obsficate and make it appear like she's contributing when she's really just trying to passive aggressively wiggle her way out of his needs. But then again it's 100% acting and fake so whatever, it's probably not even relevant to their relationship
@@Jeff-uu9vo bro it's really interesting that you're asking people to empathize with Mr. Girl but refuse to empathize with his gf. Dont you think she understands the ultimatum that's being given to her?? Obviously she wants to be with Max but clearly what he's asking from her is a bit much for her atp. And her odd or "annoying" responses could be the result of her weighing the options in her mind. Yeah someone who has issues with emotional regulation and mental health is going to have a hard time being clear and rational in a situation that is extremely emotional and intense lol not to mention the fact that she's been SA'd in the past. Also I like how you retreat to saying the video is "acting" or whatever as if that makes any difference. Mr. Girl is a deeply damaged individual. That being said if he has certain needs from a relationship he can and should find a better partner for him but it seems like he revels in the fact that he's asking something of her that pushes her boundaries and could potentially be damaging. At the same time he doesn't want to be burdened with the fact that he's contributing to her emotional distress. I see how you can empathize with him but I don't see how you could think his behavior is honest and rational or that his goals with that conversation were genuine.
Then also bitched about having to act like her parent. "Gah your so controlling, why don't you give me everything I want, and when you do I don't like it cause it's being your parent."
He's actually doing literally the opposite. He is trying to get her to control how she behaves, so he doesn't have to do it for her. She forces him to take control which is in itself a very controlling act. She even alludes to an ongoing dynamic in the relationship where she expects him to be a caretaker of her. I don't think Shaylin is a bad person, but she does know what she is doing. Truthfully, she probably doesn't even want to do it to Max, but being in control of yourself can actually be really fucking difficult.
@@cloudoftime look dude if all you can see is the face value surface level bs I don’t know what to say to you. Seems to me you have no experience in long term relationships. I didn’t say he sees her as dumb because she is compromised. I’m saying they think she is dumb because they and you seem to think they have a better understanding of Max then she does. And she is just a victim that you need to save. Completely obnoxious, that you all seem to think you understand the situation, better then the person that has spent 7 years with Max. I think it’s time you all admit to yourselves,you’re all quiet sexist.
Thats what made me stop taking max seriously... He's so incapable of even acknowledging another point of view and here we are talking about some important things....
@@joaor3357 I was really disappointed because I thought he was this stubborn because it's all meaningless content. Talking about real life shit makes his quirky stubbornness seem like a huge character flaw... Seeing him run for the reverse idpol defense this quick was Hella disappointing... You don't have to be a misandrist to dislike when one partner dismisses another because they are a bit uneasy about doing a very challenging sexual experiment... He's acting like he asked shaelin to do anal after 3 years of focusing on her needs. Necroplay or whatever they call it is far more than just a random experiment... Acting like she owes him not being defensive in any way is gigacringe...Not every reservation has to be some 4d chess power play for control... And cut the shit about not wanting women to cry.. Her sobbing loudly was the only unlikable thing she did in that vid... Until then she just had better and more mature arguments...
@@joaor3357 They don't really care. Sometimes it's just fun to hate on something, and this guy is optically a good target to hate. They don't actually care about trying to understand the situation, so don't bother.
@@MrShagification They've been together over 7 years AND SHE VERBALLY acknowledged she can't take it anymore. When you try for 7 years and get to your breaking point its not just " running away"
Max is so cringe. He’s ignoring everything she’s saying and then acting as if she never said any of it. Why would anyone ever want to be in a relationship with him lol
"If something is 89% for me and 11% for you, you find a way to get 90% enjoyment out of that 11%" Me: Whoa he just wants her to lay there and not or anything? "I just want you yo lay there face down. Cry or bite down on something but dont make it about you" Me: ....... How does he even have friends? Someone offer this woman an out right now.
She isn’t being controlling. It’s more like she is suffering from loss of control and is just letting him have all the control. He is seeing that and explaining it how it fits his world
@@6cmcnc6 He didn't call himself a slave owner, he said he had a part of himself that is a slave owner. He is not saying he owns her, he is saying he has a need to feel like that some of the time and is saying that she must fulfil it if they are to continue their relationship. He lets her speak, he felt a certain manner in which she was speaking was controlling, it wasn't her having an opinion in of itself that he was calling controlling. But I get it, it's easier to interpret things as bad as possible to fit your internal narrative than to try to understand genuinely.
Idk to me it looks like max is the controlling one. While what he's saying isnt necessarily wrong hes saying it in the most insensitive way possible. "You have no choice" "you have to have sex how I want it" almost sounds like he's giving her an ultimatum. I understand what he's saying but the average person just doesn't talk like that
@@oxstr8upgreekxo730 that’s kinda what I’m seeing here, I see his side, but Mr. Girl phrases everything he says in the worst possible way and it comes off psychopathic at times.
Mr Girl: Yes, I am being rapey, that's what relationships are Mr Girl 10 seconds later: I need you to stop making me out to be an abusive psycho Destiny, if there was ever a time to intentionally burn a bridge, this is it. This combined with his Cuties video is just asking for trouble.
The one thing that blew me away was how chat reacted. While there were people who were bothered by it, a lot of chat was omegalol'ing while she was breaking down. Now, admittedly I was laughing at MrGirl laughing, but it was highly involuntary. Otherwise I was thinking "Jesus Christ, MrGirl is a huge, _huge_ asshole".
@@valforatlas Yeah but there has to be a limit _somewhere_ , right? Like, when Destiny makes a sexist joke or whatever and everyone Squad W's, or when someone bites a huge ass bullet and we/they all Gigachad, that's fine. But Max was _actively_ abusing her in this video, to the point that she was audibly crying from the other fucking room, and chat was omegalol'ing. That was rough.
What possible upsides to the relationship could warrant putting up with this kind of fucking horrible behavior. It's not an act - mrgirl is one of the most psychotic people on the internet
Really, the only thing I've seen from mrgirl was his conversation with Lauren Southern, which I found fucking hilarious. Now, though, I'm learning that most of it wasn't an act, a brilliant character that he was being. I thought he was like a Karl Pilkington kinda fellow, where he involves his partner in his language and is hilarious with it. Guess not.
IF this is any sort of real she's obviously just not the right partner for him. Like come on you won't have sex with your partner more than once a month? Problem is it's autistic to make a sex arrangement, he needs to get rid of her and find someone that meets his sexual needs. Or she just has to give it up once in a while... Like why is that so dehumanizing that you can't just fucking lay there for a few minutes once a month for the person you love to make them happy... Get over yourself
@@Jeff-uu9vo You've got to be kidding me. She can have sex as frequently or as infrequently as she wants. She doesn't have to lay there for him if she doesn't want to. If she's not into that too bad. This is not the middle ages. It's not up to you to decide what someone should or shouldn't out up with sexually. He doesn't need to get rid of her. She needs to get rid of his manipulative autistic sociopath ass.
“Hey, wanna go out to lunch tomorrow?” Mr. girl: “Sure” “Ok, what time should we meet?” Mr. girl: “YOU SAID TOMORROW YOU’RE BEING SO CONTROLLING OMG WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE ABOUT YOU” So fucking cringe
Only stupid people would fall for him. He is so obviously a narcissistic manipulator. I hate to call his GF dumb but she seems to either have massive issues or is geniunely dumb if she fell for him.
For someone who tells everyone to go to therapy, Mr. Girl could certainly use therapy himself (or more of it. Or a different therapist, if he’s already in therapy). He also said he’d respect ppls’ boundaries, yet when Shaelin (sp?) says she wants out of the interview and doesn’t want it posted, he keeps pushing. I like some of his work, but the way he treats Shaelin sets off domestic violence alarms in my head. His previous interview with her where he talks about why she has tattoos and piercings was pretty illuminating to his POV on things. Him saying something along the lines of “We are in a relationship, so your body is also at least partially mine,” is pretty disturbing. He’s a control freak that uses “boundaries” to justify his grab for that power. He seems unwilling to compromise on many things. Just my opinion. He seems way more conservative than he lets on as well.
Dude just wants a slave. This is just actual abuse and manipulation. She deserves better than having her thoughts dismissed. Find someone who agrees to these things before you commit. Don’t massively change things and then be upset when the other person isn’t into it.
Yeah, he basically wants CNC, ie, someone to consent in advance to activity that will look non-consensual (or at least, unenthusiastic) during the act. There's nothing wrong *IF* everyone consents & is into that type of activity. However, that's clearly not the situation here. To continue pushing yr partner to do things she said she doesn't want to do is wrong.
@@scarletsletter4466 except its a bit, the whole thing was an Andy Kaufman work, you are the punchline, lest you forget this is a man who made a music video singing about being a pedophile (which Shaelin was in) where he squirted a gusher on his tongue like it was a drug.
Not exactly. You don't understand because you're stupid. He wants her to do something for him, and only for him every once in a while. This is because he sometimes gets tired of having to worry too much about trying to please the other person.
Mr Girl is absolutely vile and I'm done even if it's a bit. You absolutely cannot disregard your SO's perspective/feelings and or speak so directly constantly. I havent been in a lot of relationships but I've been with the same woman for 12 years. You can speak the truth to your SO about your wants and needs but sometimes you need sweetness to help that burr of truth go down. Jesus fucking christ.
@@KHJohan what's sad is hes not entirely wrong with the "if you want this relationship to continue you need to have sex with me". For the majority of humanity sex is needed to keep the relationship healthy but the framing is all wrong and focused on only one person. The gaslighting is absolutely unforgivable.
well said. My marraige would fall apart if we disregard HOW we speak to each other even if we at the end of it are still saying the same thing. It's called respect for each other.
I don't support him as a creator, but it's a good thing to have people like him out there. Having mental illness in livestreams and questionable creators oversharing increases the odds of the right people getting support, instead of taking all this underground. What I wonder is what their couple's counsellor knows about these videos Max puts out, or if they are even aware this "art" is in the public domain. It doesn't matter if the GF is an abuser or if Max has been all along, oversharing in the public leads to this dogpile shit he complains about. You reap what you sow.
There is a level of precision and efficiency in thought and speech that Mr Girl is expecting here that is inhuman and insufferably anti-charitable in every imaginable way. The only question i have is does he realize that or not? I feel like he does but i can't wrap my head around why someone would put another person through that or why anyone would stick around for it.
This 1000%. It feels worse because it’s purposeful. Thinking that she is doing a power grab in the middle of this is hilarious, I mean watching this seems like someone who wants to use the English language as specific as possible and calling others out for not using the same semantic view of English. In this very conversation, you can catch him up and do the same shit that he’s doing. He reads her mind but he would never let that happen reversed. How much of an ass he’s being this entire time, it’s cringe levels I’ve never seen. She outright says this shouldn’t be in the video and I’m somehow watching it. It’s hard to not want him to have to feel the same things he’s making people feel.
@@michaeljeffreyjordan4966 there is zero shame or humility in the way he presents any of it while he heaps one expectation after another onto her and layering the pressure he's putting on her. I would find being around him in her situation supremely exhausting and entirely impossible.
Maybe it's because you don't actually have the necessary information to make a judgement on the interpersonal relationship of a two strangers just because you watched one highly edited video.
@@MrShagification Or maybe it's because he's making that assessment based on the available evidence that there is. it'd be absurd for us to watch this entire thing and draw no conclusions. why even bother at that point? Even if it is some fucked up art piece, do you not think this is the EXACT response he was fishing for here?
At least there are some of us who picked up on it within a minute of hearing the guy speak. He is a horrible person to his core and it shocks me that people will try to justify it
Lack of self awareness and literal selfish creep. "You're trying to be controlling" saying the person forcing her into his comforts and not wanting to even considering her comforts. Telling her to "shut up" and considering "go on" as some power move. Fuckin' Crist dude. He is an abuser, by definition. If she's not comfortable with his wants or vice versa, just end the relationship FFS. He's got the serial killer vibes. It's hard to know whether any of this is an act, some persona, but even if so, it's still disgusting.
I find Mr. Girl disturbing...anyone else? This entire thing of wanting his girl to just lay there...kind of reeks of a lack of empathy. I'm trying not to kink shame, but she's clearly upset about this and doesn't enjoy it? I think they should break up.
"she's clearly upset about this and doesn't enjoy it? I think they should break up." Classic misogynist telling women how they're feeling and how they should break up with their bf.. keep treating women like retarded children
It's a dominance thing , he wants to completely control the sexual encounter. It's not about you , and God help you if moan or enjoy pleasure yourself because you're ruining it for me!
Yes, the video it actually reminds me of some of the more intense and unhealthy relationship dialogues from Ingmar Berman movies and..there is just the tiniest part of me that can imagine him explaining to police in the exactly same rational self justified tone just why he ended up killing her.
Mr Girl: "Do you think you can be controlling by asking a question?" ... *waits for agreement* also Mr Girl: "How is it pushing your boundaries to ask you for something sexual???"
@@dogeatdog6157 In the first, he's accusing her of being controlling by asking questions. In the second, he is claiming to NOT be controlling by asking questions that PUSH on her boundaries. When she asks questions, he claims she is being manipulative. When he asks questions, he claims he is not being manipulative. Clearly he is applying different rules for him and her but this is all disguised in the discourse.
When he is laughing at the end and Destiny writes down the question "Why the laughing" I would add a 4th option. He is laughing because he feels genuinely happy that the narcissist void is filled with her negative emotion - a power rush. I see the happiness in his eyes as I saw it in my father - though Max is way more open/transparent about it.
Re: makeup, I'd like to point out that when Pokimane dared to show her bare face, people screenshotted it and used it to insult her and imply she was ugly. Pokimane. Someone who is already, by most standards, very attractive.
The only ones doing that were people who already disliked her and were looking for any and every opportunity to fire shots. Most women wouldn't experience anything like that if they stopped wearing makeup; except from other women _maybe._
"How is it pushing your boundaries when you can just say no?" He says after implying that she HAS to fulfill his sexual desires. And also calling her controlling for not letting him be controlling. Geez, I never thought Mr.Girl was this fucked in the head. I never exactly agreed with him on everything, but I at least understood where he was coming from up until this point. This is literally just him exposing how he tries to manipulate his girlfriend into doing things she's not comfortable with. Edit: Also "You can clearly see that I want to provide this for you" which Mr.Girl responds with "You have to." It should be obvious that no one HAS to do anything. The alternative, if something like this is a deal breaker, is that they break up. If something like this is a deal breaker for Mr.Girl, then sure that's fine. No one should be forced to stay in a relationship they aren't happy in for whatever reason. However, by saying she HAS to do this thing he's implying that she is responsible for whether or not their relationship continues or not. He's doing this because he knows she doesn't want this to lead to a break up, therefore her options are do what I want or YOU'RE causing the break up. In reality, assuming everyone is a good actor, no one should be the blame for a relationship not working.
@@tubblestop414 someone else having boundaries is controlling. MrGirl screaming at people that they need to do what he wants is just him being heckn cute and honest with his boundaries.
For anybody who has heard Mr Girl define a "lie", you should be able to count at least 23 lies he says to his gf in this video. And of course he'd claim he's not lying. It's fun!
The goal seems to pretty much just be to berate her and push to have this conversation until he gets his yes. Wouldn't be surprised if this issue is always cycled back to no matter what the subject of conversation is supposed to be about.
The goal was to get her to set her own boundaries but she was being vague about what she wanted and that’s why mrgirl kept pressing her to do just that. But she clearly couldn’t make up her mind on what she wanted. She agreed to the sex act but didn’t want to cement anything. When offered to rescind the act, she also didn’t want to say yes. This is an extremely complicated interaction between 2 people that love each other, trying to have a meta conversation. The majority of this conversation was just that, a conversation of, this is what I want, what do you want?
He got his "yes" pretty much instantly? If his goal was to get the yes it would've stopped there. But it clearly didn't. To me it seems that he just wants her to state her needs clearly. But what do i know, she is crying in the end so it HAS to be abuse.
@@rexenoshi yea in a belligerent and coercive manner.... Lmao how to aggressively manipulate someone into setting their own boundaries.... You have to think this man is a infallible Saint to not reasonably assume bad intent.
@@rexenoshi she agreed to it to please him (or is scared of him) then her actions of not wanting to cement shows that she actually doesnt want to do it (I know you have said yes to something you didnt want to do before and then made excuses to get out of it) This is not complicated. Max then berates her for not being concrete but he and the audience already knows she doesnt want too. He berates her until he wins, simple.
@@rayjakson7979 An established boundary between them was not taking about relationship like this on camera anymore so that in itself was probably causing some emotional distress but also he starts the video with "you HAVE to have sex with me" in order for the relationship to keep going. It's coercion. Obviously she wants to keep it going so her gut reaction is to say yes but everything else she does in the video shows she's uncomfortable in like every conceivable way.
I've realized that, while he'd probably disagree, MrGirl tends to treat almost every human interaction as a zero sum game. Like both parties can't win. There has to be a winner and a loser. So if you're winning, it necessarily means he's losing. It also explains his view points on a lot of subjects.
If I wanted to write a play or short film on gaslighting and emotional abuse, I could literally just transcribe Mr. Girl's interaction with his girlfriend.
I don't really see how anyone can really defend Mr. Girl in this situation I mean like he seems to thrive off of people seeing him as a abuser and that is his persona at this point. Not sure if he actually abuses her but this seems like obvious manipulation and atleast me tal/emotional abuse
MrGirl wanting her to act as a sex doll whenever he wants... and her not agreeing is upsetting him. It's not an inherently antisocial fantasy, but he is making it antisocial by wanting her to not speak or negotiate about it in real life/outside of the sexual encounter and just submit whenever he wants. This is not a typical kink request in a healthy relationship. Some may say its..... sociopathic.
Also the fact that he's made it clear he knows she doesn't like it but that's part of what he enjoys (hence "I don't like a real sex doll bc it's not letting me have what I want") and also says he doesn't want to hear her complaining about it. He knows she's uncomfortable and he wants it anyway. Kink is totally acceptable to me & doesn't mean you're a bad person, but kink involves consent and enjoyment on both ends. This is not acceptable kink.
Think this is a little disingenuous. It's not "Whenever he wants" it's "Whenever they can agree to". It's not like he is demanding she do it every day. He is asking if any of this deal is possible and in what kind of time frame she would accept it in. It is very clearly a kink for selfish controlled sex however. The entire conversation is highly autistic though.
His gf deserves so much more than him. I don't mind max' ideas and thoughts but I hate the way he treats her. (Only from my understanding, but its disgusting) She seems genuinely sweet
@@implodingllama2092 It's just how some roundabout soy-cucks decide to express themselves. Totally irrelevant to the matter fact followed by something they think. Instead of just saying what they want, they have to couch the statement in something that is supposed to resemble an ironic joke of sorts.
Yeah, at the end where she's crying in the other room, and he's sitting there laughing was uncomfortable to watch. Although, I'm sure there have been times where I got into a fight with my wife, if I was being filmed I would seem unsympathetic as well.
Why is he inexplicably shirtless through this entire thing? Shirtless with an inflatable sex doll in the background. While he loudly eats an orange. Shit like this is what makes me keep thinking its a bit. It feels like I'm watching an Eric Andre interview.
@@cloudoftime Agreed. Most people would be worn down dealing with these kinds of mind games on the regular. Sometimes something is what it is--or should be left that way--rather than digging into all the different elements, spectrums, overtones, and undertones of it.
Man it's a good thing this guy turned out to be trust worthy and never tried to destroy destiny. I just got out of a coma so I'm sure that still tracks.
I think he actually enjoys these kinds of conflicts so he forces them where they’re just totally unnecessary. That argument did not need to go that way at all. He just wants it to. The part where he berates her about her making him out to be an abuser and then calls her a psychotic abuser is insane.
Mr. Girl: Don't move, this experience is just for me Shaelin: *tries to enjoy her sexual experience* Mr. Girl: You're being abusive. Edit: Max trying to make sex transactional/scheduled is kinda cringe. Edit 2: Max is obviously gaslighting her into thinking *SHE* is being controlling by protecting her bodily autonomy Edit 3: Max is clearly gaslighting her, kinda gross. Edit 4: Max trying to convince her that being uncomfortable with the on camera shit (that wasn't discussed beforehand) is her fault for getting upset
(from 6 months ago) Mr. Girl is what happens when a reasonably intelligent, white, middle class, bearded cis male spends his life being medicore, realizes it in his mid 30s, and invests in a webcam and a microphone instead of a therapist.
(from 6 months ago) romnesia7729 is what happens when a reasonably dumb, white, middle class, bearded trans nonbinary adhd person spends their life being medicore, realizes it in their mid 30s, and starts slapping a bunch of self identifiers to feel special instead of a therapist.
@SlamScum I've already posted it 200+ times between all the destiny channels, the subreddit, and Mr. Girl's own platforms. I can go for 300 though, if you want.
“Asking you to do something doesn’t push your boundaries. You can just say no.” Except for when your partner asks questions, then that’s abuse and playing power dynamics. And if that partner rejects to engage with your questions, that person is refusing to reinforce their own boundaries. This is also manipulation. And at the same time, these questions are contractual obligations which must be answered in the context of this conversation, specifically, and they will determine the trend of sexual conduct moving forward in the relationship. So questions are both a source of domination, control, establishing (and not establishing) boundaries, commitment to sexual obligations, and also benign inquisition simultaneously. Which form these questions take is arbitrary and solely dependent on some nebulous internal criterion. Cool.
The appropriate way to push boundaries is to ask questions. The problem is Mr. Girl isn't really asking questions. He's making demands and then when she tries to clarify the demand, he gets mad and tells her to shut the fuck up and stop manipulating him.
Ok, the way Mr. Girl is *phrasing* monogamy is convoluted. It's not that she *has to* have sex with him or the relationship suffers, it's that they both are devoted to each other such that having sex is a *given.* I feel like Max is misconstruing obligations with devoted acts. There's a fine nuance between these two things. Loyalty and obligations are more so terms relating to oath-taking or some kind of contractual service, like military service for example, and things like these are *not* fit for civilian life. For civilian life, devotion to another is much more fit than *loyalty* to another.
Destiny Confronts MrGirl About His Relationship ►ruclips.net/video/632IbTNifDY/видео.html
This was the beginning of the end...
@@wisemage0 I honestly feel like this video is a segment in a true crime series, where he find out Mr. girl is actually Buffalo Bill.
Listening to Mr. Girl is like listening to the set up of a really dark joke that has no punchline.
Underrated
Edit: I wrote this when it wasn't a top comment.
“There is no punchline”-joker 2019
Listening to Mr Girl is like reading the crumpled up papers out of Anthony Jeselnik's trash can
@@johndoughglass4120 Fitting, considering both the Joker and MrGirl are idolized by cringy edgelords.
There's a satire family sitcom about Hitler sharing an apartment complex with a Jewish couple... I feel this is what you mean
This feels like one of those avant-garde art house movies that's supposed to show you the complexities of a weird-ass relationship except this is real
That’s an oddly perfect comparison lol
It's like Possession but scarier and the main character is an unrelatable sociopath (I like Max btw)
I think that's exactly what it is-mr. girl's main channel content makes WAY more sense once you start to realize he's both acting as a performance artist and blending the lines between life and art, and his behavior makes more sense once you start to realize he knows that he's doing it instead of (as Destiny does) assuming he's so mega-autistic he doesn't understand why he's upsetting people.
It's much more likely that he knows what he's doing will upset people and that he simply chooses to do so anyway, especially when you consider that, not only has he chosen to include this footage from a whole load of raw footage, but that he's gone further by isolating this section and releasing it on his RUclips channel devoid of context in a filmmaking style that deliberately showcases his abusive, manipulative behavior (the framing, the setup, his editing choices, like including the sobs, including the crunching sounds from his eating, including the part about asking her how much time is left on the camera, and so on).
I'm not defending his behavior, his relationship, or even him, himself. I think it's a pretty shitty thing to do, and I think there's a legitimate concern for harm from the way he treats his girlfriend (at best, just harm to their relationship, at worst, harm to her mental health), though most of the people I see talking about it seem to think he doesn't know what he's doing or doesn't understand how he's coming across (Destiny included), when I think he very much does.
@@ghost_orchid5535 Of course he knows what he's doing...he is doing it not only for the sake of how he wants the audience to view him, but also how he wants to see himself. Not to be too reductive but I see Mr. Girl as someone who wasn't particularly cool growing up, who probably didn't do well with women, and as much as he wants to present himself as someone who is trying to dig in and get into the depths of people's emotions or motivations, I think this kind of behavior comes from a very shallow and simple place of wanting to feel like he is someone who's in control of his woman and show anyone who'll pay attention that he's, for lack of a better word, a pimp...which in reality, he couldn't be any further from.
@@brettsodrel6456 hmm
How any woman would date a guy even remotely like that is ridiculous
it doesn't start that way, the avuser makes them attached, causes great suffering and then comforts the suffering so the victim becomes very dependent. then they get stuck, they are also usually very scared. like he dangled rape over her head this whole time.
@@lisaloveanimalsstop talking about Destiny that way.
I feel no sympathy for the girl who agreed to do anything to that man and I'm saying as a woman.
@@ifinditinteresting.8709 I do, but you have to be like low-functioning iq to deal with him. Or have SEVERE self esteem issues.
@@ifinditinteresting.8709 That's cute, but mental abuse is more complicated than "just don't do it, are you crazy?" You being a woman and not getting her predicament just makes it slightly worse.
Mr. Girl teaches me a lot! Like when I hit someone and that leaves a bruise, that's actually a manipulation tactic to make me look like an abuser
Now you're getting it! We're joking but there's plenty of his cretins hovering around that would probably try to spin that.
@@joaor3357 Her ability and desire to make her own decisions about her body.
@@joaor3357 What? You asked what the bruise would be in this situation lol.
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher why do we hurt the ones we hit
@@bartledoo "it be what it do" fairly sure Confucius said that
She doesn't have to throw him under the bus this man does it by being honest. He is honestly, genuinely, seems like a horrible person.
And even worse, I think it's all an act and he wants to be seen as a horrible person. It's all so bizarre.
@@wallyaloud what would be the clue or the difference between this being real or fake?
Besides assuming his brain state which he already does about other people
@@dreamspeakhomie the way he deliberately exaggerates all of his stories to make them seem way worse than they were. When my ex gave me a black eye and beat the shit out of me, I did not merely say, "You just hit me?" or "Why did you hit me?" or whatever his ex allegedly said with little to no concern when he "punched" her in the face. And when he said "punch", I don't think it was what anybody else would describe as a punch. But that's just a feeling I get..
@@wallyaloud thats what makes this whole thing kind of cringe. "If you hate me, you don't get it!" No, people get it, the shtick is just not that fun to everyone.
@@dreamspeakhomie people just randomly think everyone on the internet is acting. its genuinely insane how a lot of humans think. Also these are the same guys to think everyone is on cocaine if they have high energy
Glad he cleared up that his partner is the controlling one by aggressively arguing with his partner about why she's wrong about everything in a public forum.
Bro, arguing isn't controlling. It's just advocating for your own interests. Idk what kind of limp-dicked relationship you have to have where you never have arguments. I don't see how Shaelin is controlling either, but neither is he. He wants her to take MORE control. He wants LESS control. He wants less responsibility, and therefore wants less power.
@@cuylerbrehaut9813 Tell me you're autistic without saying you're autistic.
@@cuylerbrehaut9813 Saying "I want you to just lie there but don't tell me you're okay with it because that ruins it for me."
"Yes it does bother you, shut up."
"Can I just talk uninterrupted? Like can you not even say 'go for it?' just shut up."
That's not asserting, that's either a joke that they're both in on, or it's controlling insane person behavior.
@@LeeHarveySnoswald Yeah fair that part's pretty controlling actually.
All this because Destiny wouldn't play The Last of Us multiplayer with max. Smh
"listen here sweatstiny im gonna psychologically abuse my girlfriend until you have to talk to me" 🤣🤣
True
@@iody247 hahahahahah
That was the first shooter I played with immaculately balanced time to kill based on weapon. There's a gun for 2 shot, 3 shot, 4 shot, and 5. Less shots to kill = faster time to kill but more punishing. If you miss one of your 2 shot frontier rifle, the 3 shot semi rifle can kill before you can get the extra shot off. Great game. Maybe the best shooter I've played.
@@austint1151 stealth kills were so satisfying
Destiny tried to begin an anti-misogyny arc and, over a week, managed to only make the community more misogynistic while MrGirl was able to redirect all the hatred towards himself in 30 minutes.
Lmfao fr
Destiny acts like he’s the only guy to have ever smashed before
@@johnandrew1987 when compared to the average dgger, its understandable tbh
@@johnandrew1987 plenty of people that have sex should be treated like virgins
@@johnandrew1987 even if you are a gigachad who has the sex 5 times per day with different people its still good to hear tips for virgins because you might be missing stuff
I thought MrGirl having a girlfriend was actually a meme. How the fuck does someone tolerate being in a room with him, let alone a relationship. God speed for this woman, she must have the patience of a goddamn saint.
Ikr, how do i not have a girlfriend; yet this pos does?
No she's just being abused, based off what I see here.
And she's cute AF. I haven't seen his weird porn: is Max swinging some old-growth lumber?
He basically said he wants to r-pe her, but his willing to groom her into it rather just going for it.
I mean she literally starts cracking up anytime he just stares at her so I guess if that's what she's all about...
The narcissism of him seeing his abuse as “art” makes me want to vomit.
imagine what you would do if you saw what real abuse looked like.
Not abuse but ok
@@JoeMama-gi1so this is literal classic emotional abuse
@@importantstuf8870 nah.
@@importantstuf8870 Can you explain how this is abuse? Or maybe a better question, which part of this interactions constitutes the abuse to you? If I were to pick one thing, I think it probably is how he shoots down what she says without really considering what she is saying (I haven't finished the video yet).
I cant imagine ever wanting to hang out with Mr Girl for extended periods of time, let alone date him.
He's like a serial killer but annoying instead of scary.
The internet is the super corruptor
48:30 Jesus..! In The Army thats at least (Dishonorible Discharge - For *His Behavior* ) I'd just cut ties w/o
Him ~ At this Point
Have had Family Members
Do WAY Worse Shits - *IRL*
Not Seeking Validation At all.
I like nuance, but mrgirl takes nuance to insane levels.
@@steveng6704 where is the nuance in telling someone to "lie down and get fucked and I don't care if u like it?" lol the police should legit be called before this woman gets murdered or given irreversible ptsd
Complaining about your partner being controlling, because she wants to know how your massive sex contract is going to work, while also micro-managing the entire conversation and telling her to shut up every time the conversation doesn't flow the way you want it to is... insane.
He accuses her of being manipulative and then emotionally manipulates her by saying "You're ruining this." and "I don't care what you think."
Anyone who doesn't realize Mr. Girl is toxic in this relationship is real dumb.
Mr. Girl is a really interesting guy, and capable of making interesting art, but he has the emotional intelligence of a high school boy.
@@Axxilles I don't think it's low EQ. Probably the opposite actually, just with some very selfish underpinnings. This behavior is what I'd expect from a person who is simultaneously extremely emotionally analytical and extremely egocentric.
He was right. She was making a big deal out of a non-issue when she could have just said "okay so starting next month", and he even pointed out "it's the 29th!" to try to point out how absurd her quibbling is.
@@usucdik No, she wasn't. She just asked. Sometimes I ask my boss "what are we doing today". It makes 0 difference. I'm gonna do the thing regardless and I don't need to prep, but I like knowing what I'm gonna be doing.
On top of that, humans aren't some weird hyper rational robots. Go talk to Cortana if you want that. Humans do and say irrational and irrelevant shit all the time, especially when they're uneasy. It doesn't mean someone's maliciously trying to manipulate you. That's just your paranoya mixing with your lack of social skills there bud.
@@DiddntFindANameLol nice weird and twisted rant there. Adds up to nothing and has no relevancy. Then you pretend to be knowledgeable about human behavior or whatever, when your entire point was "none of it makes sense!" Wow, so insightful.
It really feels like Shaylin is trying so hard to understand Max while walking on egg shells to try and not annoy him.
I am going to intuit what mrgirl would say here: "stop walking on eggshells and just tell me what's in your fucking head"
@@SlickWillHermsted I think he meant that Shaylin is trying her best to understand him and takes care to act the way he wants her to even when she doesn't succeed at it
@@Ian-ky5hf I don't think he yells at her when she tries to set boundaries, when she set boundaries like, I can't do this, he says ok. Also I'm not sure if he yelled at her at all in the interview? I just don't recall, I think his voice raised when he protested her saying he threatened her. Voice raising does not a yell make.
@@dawnwatching6382 I think she does try and does fail sometimes but I'm not sure I believe she's shaking in her boots before him.
@@SlickWillHermsted plus some whining about him feeling “emasculated”
Nice job dehumanizing your girlfriend on camera. You don't even need her to portray yourself as a lunatic.
Who are you talking to? This isn't mrgirls channel
@@t-poison1731 shut up
@@t-poison1731 I am aware it's not mrgirls channel. I am simply reacting to the video.
Omg I just realized the irony of him saying he doesn’t want to caretake just because he’s in a position of power over her and that’s exactly why he got mad at Destiny, because Destiny didn’t want to censor his audience and use kid gloves with streamers with a smaller audience. Insane hypocrisy. I wonder if he’d admit it or weasel his way out of it.
Facts
I watched the first five seconds, saw dude with his shirt off, and clicked X. I can't do it.
The whole thing is just bizzarely uncomfortable and almost dream like. It feels almost like high art bullshit. But apparently its mostly real??
You made the right decision Louis
You made the right choice. The shirtless guy is insufferable.
You made the right choice, OP. I’m trying to struggle through it but it’s not easy..
Bro really posted himself gaslighting his girlfriend in real time. Mr girl Def lost me with this one lmao
Yeah it rules (jk but I don’t agree that that’s what’s happening) it’s clear destiny loves it, watch him emulate Max even more as the video goes on, he can’t help himself. He’s jealous he can’t engage in straight up psycho sexual manipulation of those around him like max appears to.
I feel emotionally abused just watching this. cannot imagine the effect of listening to this daily! Her even considering this convo as fuckin normal is absolutely insane am I crazy?!
@@callum6224 you don't agree that Mr girl is gaslighting his girlfriend in this video? And Destiny barely even reacted the whole video what are you talking about lol.
Lmao this is what it took for you? Nothing before this?
He lost you on this one? It took you this long to be lost on him?
When he said "You have to. I need it." She should have responded with, "That's not my problem." Because that's apparently how he feels about her needs.
Yes! She should have been like "your sexual needs are not my responsibility" (his "your female orgasm is not my responsibility" annoucement)
That part was referring to the context already established earlier on in the conversation.
@@dave93x which was?
@@Boredguy112 the context to "you need to" is going back to earlier on when they both agreed that if she wanted the relationship to continue then sex, and his requests, were essential, so in essence she did need to. Otherwise they'd be separated.
It's the only other part of the video they both said "need to". It's obvious. That's why she didn't react in the way the commenter here has with his comment because she understands the context of why he's saying it to her.
@@dave93x Even then, she doesn't need to since breaking up is an option.
What I see when I watch these conversations is a man who simply hates women and is therefore annoyed with every response she might possibly give. I don’t accuse people of things like misogyny, racism, homophobia, etc, lightly. People accuse each other of those things at the drop of a hat nowadays, and it’s a huge problem. But these conversations seem to me to have no other plausible explanation. Literally everything she says annoys him, and she often responds one way, he expresses how “annoying” it was, so then she responds in the exact opposite way, and that annoys him too. It’s a trap that she can’t possibly get out of, and the only sense I can make of it is that he simply detests her existence. I’ve never seen something like this up close and personal before. It is really ugly.
It’s so sad
He's a true and genuine misogynist. He thinks she belongs to him, and by asserting agency, she is being "controlling". It's insane. He is dangerous.
Max: "You're making me look like an abusive psycho"
Obi Wan and EVERYONE ELSE: "YOU HAVE DONE THAT YOURSELF!"
"If you don't admit you do this behavior too, then you are my enemy!"
I feel like this video is going to be used in a court case someday.
I was just thinking the exact same thing.
He has several ex-girlfriends though.
I feel like that court case is going to involve a young niece or something.
Good.
@@meneither3834 those NDAS. Someone should check his computer
Being the most manipulative person in the room and accusing the other for being controlling and manipulative... what a excuse of a human being.
to me it just seems like Max has rationalized his abusive behaviors as his art form, a cultural statement, or being honest. For this reason I think it's kinda impossible for anyone to tell him anything different because it's like a core thing of his identity at this point.
Absolutely agree. Everyone can see he's just being abusive and mean, but he seems to have romanticized it. I think he loves the people calling him out, too, because he gets to feel intellectually superior to them. He's the type to believe he's enlightened unlike everyone else.
@@Savannah- i think so too. i could be super wrong and maybe their couples counseling will bring some context I'm unaware of but I really don't think Max would be willing to listen to a counselor
It's called narcissistic sociopathy.
Idk kinda jacked that he filmed it and then laughed at her crying, but otherwise seemed to me like he was telling her to have agency. He might be laughing at the ridiculousness or irony of him treating her like a equal while simultaneously having to make decisions for her which her best interest in mind.
I was gonna comment something similar, it's like he perceives himself as beyond human. In reality he's just as human as the rest of us, just doesn't think normally so he thinks he's superior and more intelligent.
What a supremely uncomfortable experience :(
@@neglectfulsausage7689 This is the most incel comment that I've seen this week.
@@neglectfulsausage7689 Telling someone they can leave, knowing full well that their entire existence is based around you, is textbook abuse. Every abuse victim has heard that line.
Shaylin can leave, but then she has no lover, no boyfriend, she loses access to security and a home, among other things. It's a threat from Max, and he knows he has all of the power by making ultimatums.
If you have to make ultimatums in a relationship, end the fucking relationship. MG needs someone way closer to his intensity, and she needs someone more empathetic. There doesn't need to be a winner or a loser, are we fucking 12?
@@neglectfulsausage7689 Neither of them are narcissists or bad people. They are just a couple, trying to resolve conflict. It's actually quite mundane if you can look past the aggressive rhetoric of mrgirl.
@Jo It doesn't have to be their whole existence or even a significant part of it. It can be surprisingly simple things that people don't want to give up.
Also, assuming that people who are abused knowingly hand over significant parts of their lives to their abusers is retarded. Most abusers will always take opportunities to 'own' the other person more. This can be things like offering to be the sole owner of x or y, offer to pay the others bills, do their taxes whatever. They deny their victim opportunities to learn useful skills or grow independently.
And all of these things can be past off as good-hearted things, so until the facade wears off, the victim will feel loved and taken care of. By the time they realize what's happening, they've forfeited much of their personal autonomy to the other person. These are super simple entry level facts about abuse.
I'm also not gendering anything I'm saying so fuck off with the "infantilizing women" thing. This can happen to anyone.
@@BubbleTea033 I mean I agree with all your points but most men between the ages of 5 and 45 have been raised on the idea that "women are all powerful and don't need no man and are strong independent fierce warriors". How is it a threat if a person doesn't see it as a threat? Most men in these situations have no idea why a woman will stay with him if he is "that terrible" along with the fact that the media and culture have demonized every male, even if they are liberal scumbags.
There's a lot of confusion when it comes to dating, and liberalism certainly helped make that a reality.
She’s controlling? My man is literally laying down ground rules for sex: she can’t move, she can’t speak? Should she go full corpse and stop breathing too? And after all that, the cherry on top. “U wanna play Smash?” What a fucking sociopath.
"Be my emotional and sexual servant while receiving no emotional care."
"No. I want out."
"Wanna play Smash?"
For full corpse she has to take an ice bath before sex for the cold feeling. Learned this from a recent reddit ask me anything as people confessed fucked up things they were asked to do before/during sex.
@@grimsong2237 I never believe the extreme reddit posts like those ones, people are happy to make up a messy story for karma. Happens on r/AITA and r/sex all the time.
@@R_J8 After working in mental institutions for over a decade I do believe it.
At this point it just feels like MrGirl enjoys the attention he gets from others seeing him as an abuser. The way he starts these stupid arguments and is impossible to reason with/talk to just makes him look like a narcissist as if he enjoys the attention/feeling of power.
In his last stream, he cherrypicked the more hyperbolic posts from Reddit and read them on stream. Completely ignored any nuanced takes or even ones that gave him credit, except the comments in response to that post. If you really look into it, he circlejerks a lot, makes assumptions on people, and is extremely stubborn. Just because someone is autistically "authentic" doesn't mean you can't act openly in bad faith.
I honestly suspect that he likes that he can get away with this in public and even get support for it. He loves walking this line between just being open and honest and being low empathy.
I don't know what he has to do if admitting to hitting an ex and then bullying his girlfriend into tears doesn't make people realise he's exactly what he's looked like all along. He's covering his smile at the end to try and hide how much he enjoyed this.
He is an abuser and abuser are typically narcissists
So he is basically new onision ?
@@asyntheticsoul8956 Yeah the radical honesty schtick wears off once you realize thats just their excuse for lacking empathy and being an asshole.
MrGirl has some of the grossest hypocrisies on sex I've seen without literally getting into sex crimes. The fact that he starts this off by saying, "Shut up and stop telling me you're enjoying this or making it okay to treat you like a sex doll, I don't care." and then later on is complaining that she's not setting boundaries and he's unable to tell if he's allowed to have sex with her is wild. That combined with the rest of the conversation just paints MrGirl as someone that literally needs a contract written up saying when, where and how he can have sex; not for anyone's protection, but so that the moment someone changes their mind or grows as a person he can hold it up and say, "You agreed to it, whatever you're feeling is your problem. I'm gonna finish and do exactly what was promised to me.".
You actually have to look into the guy and his work to actually figure it out, so I understand if you don't get it. But you're just wrong. He wants something from his partner, so he asks for it. He is would accept no as an answer, and he would also allow his partner to rescind a yes at any point. His overarching goal is simply to have her make the decision on her own; giving him a full stop yes or full stop no. He would rather have a "no" than a "yes, but...." or even a yes now and no later. If she says yes, he just wants her to actually consent independently. He doesn't want to be her caretaker, he wants her to establish her own boundaries.
This is just INCREDIBLY dry humor. It wouldn't surprise me if MrGirl was inspired by other such comedians like Andy Kaufman. Take it with at least half a container's worth of salt.
not so sure about the "without literally getting into sex crimes" part, no way to know that and I definitely would not be surprised if something came out
I love how some people are JUST realizing this now.
@@Shrieqer I took it with the full container of salt and it was still not funny and still indicative of mrgirl probably being an abusive weirdo in real life
Genuine depressing content, I feel terrible for his girlfriend.
i HOPE what happens here is that she leaves him, and everyone sees him as terrible here, and she gets some kind of boost to her life due to his video.
I honestly see her committing suicide not because she wants to die but because that will be her taking back her power. I so hope I'm wrong & she leaves his ass.
So glad people are finally coming the the realization that Mr. Girl is just a terrible person, I felt insane for finding the dude insufferable and manipulative and also really uninteresting from the beginning, but now that people are coming to terms with the fact that he's just a pathetic, self obsessed loser I feel vindicated. Just wish destiny would stop having this dude on, or at least stop running defense for him in any capacity.
Yeah idk how people watched his convo with wickedsupreme and thought "this guy is perfectly reasonable". If yall havent seen it, go watch it.
Wait, has anyone not seen him as kind of a shitty person? I think he's interesting, but he's just such a abrasive twat about everything, and he intentionally says and does things to try and bother people. He reminds me of like... the edgy annoying guy in school... Desperate for attention, even if it's negative.
I think, under there, under that pile of mud, there's a decent person, but he just seems like he thinks he has to be like this, to be more interesting or something.
A lot of mr girl fans are pedos
he has that attitude cause his daddy never loved him and has to deal with trauma. it says a lot when the only person being positive about him is himself.
I agree with other things you said but from the little I've seen of Destiny interacting with him it doesn't really seem like he's playing defence to him.
The fact that Max tried to play a power move by obnoxiously and noisily eating/slurping the orange but then ended up choking made me laugh so hard. Kinda wish he had continued to choke though…
is that the famous destiny eating debate technique?
LMAOOO
The head cow is always grazing
@@Nightknight1992 Huge difference in a streamer needing to eat during his day and a dude pre-recording a video, then purposely taking his shirt off, talking while chewing & eating an orange in the most obnoxious way-directly into the microphone.. You really think he couldn’t have ate the orange before or after he recorded this weird ass video..?
@@ChickenJoe12 issa joke
This is legitimately one of the most disturbing things I’ve ever watched.
2 years later, it's still genuinely hard to listen to.
Bro he’s 100% sadistic, he gets off on her pain. The doll, which he already knows she dislikes, makes him love it even more. Her crying and showing she’s hurt, makes him laugh and feel amused. So he loves using these mind fucks to control her. Max is obviously a strange person but I feel like the character he portrays on his videos, isn’t far off from his actual personality.
That's it right there. He's an actual sadist.
@@benbowland seems like sadists get the chicks heh
People who pretend to be a character are apart of themselves. Like nikacado avocado
@@joshjonson2368 sadists get emotionally damaged chicks who subconsciously wanna be hurt
Or he just likes the doll doesn't do anything. Maybe he is laughing because he doesn't feel so bad about her crying after he thinks he aggressively demonstrated she was being controlling and her crying in the other room looks terrible for the video but he knows logically he didn't really do much to cause that much of a reaction. Or he laughed at the "mind fuck" he knew he'd get when she comes back and gives him a hug, knowing he can pan over to the doll for a creepy effect.
Imagine being anywhere near this guy in real life. He's genuinely insane. What in the fuck. He's so unreasonable it's unreal.
To make it worse imagine being a woman near him
hes dangerous. If she ever tries to leave him he will kill her
@@pinkpugginz super doubt it. He would manipulate her into coming back tbh
I could never. I'm on the Aba train in that he gives me serial killer vibes
The fact that Destiny was so quiet during this interview (after giving his takes on make-up) hopefully is a sign he saw how messed up it was. In the past when he said Mr Girl is autistic, most of the time it was "he doesn't understand or is deciding not to follow social and conversational norms" but I was concerned sometimes it was "he's actually being manipulative but I'll play that off as Mr Girl being Mr Girl. Or at least give Mr Girl the benefit of the doubt." During this segment, either it's the first one and he see's it isn't autism, or even the second it's more "shit, I can't even play this off as not manipulative."
Destiny is a terrible judge of character and can never tell when someone is too toxic or dangerous to be around, despite the viewers he loves pretending consist of 100% people who don't go outside always catching these signs early on.
I actually believe MrGirl isn't autisitic it feels more like he's a psychopath, because he understands perfectly well how and why is girlfriend feels the way he feels and it looks like he almost enjoys driving her to tears and frustrating her with his convoluted logic games. I think it's all intentional on his part.
Destiny specifically said he wasn't saying much because he was about to talk to MrGirl straight after finishing the video.
Man I am done with the Mr. Girl arc. It’s over. He disagrees then he insists he knows what you are feeling then he agrees. It’s done
Yep. Mr. Girl is what happens when a reasonably intelligent, white, middle class, bearded cis male spends his life being medicore, realizes it in his mid 30s, and invests in a webcam and a microphone instead of a therapist.
Mr. Girl should go to therapy.
@@wakemanz1 that’s a cope
He's been doing this since day 0 I don't know why it took this long for people to swing back around on him
Then leave? Nobody is keeping you here yet you boost that algorithm with your worthless comment...
Man being Mr. Girl's girlfriend must be one hell of a trip
She’s has a lot of struggles. Bless her.
@@transmogrification245 mash e she with because because he blessed with a big hog
Whenever I see Mr. Girl, I feel like I'm watching an art student trying too hard to be post-modern.
*someone pulls a knife*
Most people: Pls, no stabs
Destiny: GET THAT SHIT OFF MY SCREEN I DONT WANNA GET BANNED FROM RUclips!
👌Peak performance. 🤣
I cannot fathom going into a relationship, but not wanting to handle essentially any emotional baggage from your partner. "I don't want to feel like my will is infringed during intercourse by having to think about pleasing you." or something around that affect. Maxed out ego-centrism right here, my gods.
It seems like a narcissist view of a relationship. He's basically saying that she needs to be emotionally available to him, but not the other way around. The dude is batshit insane by my Reckoning. His girlfriend cries and he laughs. She should probably GTFO
Maxed out. Hahah. Good one.
To be fair he said he wants that "sometimes". Sounds more like a fetish that he occassionally wants.
@@jacobd8351 my only problem with that is he added the sometimes at the end after a pause. Because of how he acts i dont know if that's on purpose, accident, or to cover his ass.
in this instance, it seems like he doesn't mind helping his gf handle her emotional baggage. what he does mind, is the feeling that she is forcing him to do it ALL the time, whether he wants to or not. even in cases, such as this one, where he wants her to help him handle his own emotional baggage.
i think you can agree that the broader context of not wanting to "parent"(his words not mine) your so all the time is fine, but it's the details of this particular example that you have a problem with
Man I fee so vindicated watching this. I always thought Mr Girl was a total creep. Everything about his girlfriend was like “she used to do this, or say this, or want that, but I talked her out of it. I told her she couldn’t do that or be that way.” He’s also always been weirdly needy with Destiny. Idk why that never bothered him.
This feels like a fucked up performance art project where in the final video he stabs his girlfriend to death or something and then posts it online and waits to see how long it takes for him to get arrested and then pleads not guilty in court. That's just the vibe I get.
The silver lining of this creepy ass video is you have a book deal in your future 😎. We're gonna make a best seller.
Mr. Girl is.... weirdly obsessed with Destinys validation.
I would be too Destiny is literally right on 99% of things..
@@tayo17923 idol worshipping
@@deeepdale I rarley watch destiny except for the occasional yt video. His livestream is boring 90% of the time. My statement still stands tho🙂
@@deeepdale destiny is right about more takes than everyone else i have seen on the internet to be honest.
“What are you doing for your own boundaries?”
“This part”
“Except you’re ending the conversation”
Yeah, that’s called enforcing boundaries which is what she should have done.
His point is that she could have enforced her boundaries IN THE CONVERSATION. Instead she didn't want to set any boundaries until she was breaking down, at which point she completely ended the conversation. It was all or nothing: either she doesn't have boundaries, or there's no conversation. The only way to have a productive negotiation is to uphold your boundaries DURING the conversation. That's what he wanted her to do.
@@cuylerbrehaut9813 She’s clearly not good at enforcing boundaries nor setting them in the first place.
I get that for people who actually aren’t interested in trying to push someone’s boundaries that type of person can be frustrating to deal with. It takes always having to take a guess at mind reading in order to not feel like you might be taking advantage of the person.
However, Max already knows he’s pushing her boundaries solely for his own benefit. I think he only wants her to be explicit because he knows she’s the type of person who will start off trying to agree to more than she is actually comfortable with, and then he can get whatever that is out of her while claiming he wasn’t pushing her for it.
He doesn’t have to do the pushing because she does it to herself.
We know he knows that by, for example, the way he characterized her thought process as doing gymnastics to reconceptualize what he was asking for as “‘an Act of Service’ Love Language” and didn’t want to hear about it. It’s all because he doesn’t want to take responsibility for her, which he openly announces. There is a degree of mutual responsibility for each other in any remotely healthy adult interaction or else such a thing as abuse couldn’t even be said to exist; it would just be people implicitly agreeing to particular treatments by continuing to put up with it.
Yeah, I agreed with him on that part. She is terrible at setting boundaries, she is unsure about almost everything. I think he purposely found a weak, easy to control person.
When I heard her cry, I didn't cry. But when I saw him laughing, I started to cry.
Mr. Girl doesn't just want his girlfriend to be a doll in the bedroom but also wants her to be an emotionless doll permanently. On one end, he says that he doesn't want her to be emotional because he wants to feel like this act is consensual. *This is a lie;* he also said that he needs her to do this otherwise, he's being cucked by the doll, so why would he want her to stop? Allow me to explain:
Mr. Girl's girlfriend made it crystal clear that sex makes her emotionally vulnerable and that she felt like that act takes advantage of her for his own gratification. The sexual act in itself is not abusive, nor is it abuse for him to propose this idea. The abuse is silent, innate, and comes before the sex even happens. He likes this, but she doesn't like this; this makes him like it more. She still agrees to it, and Mr Girl portrays this as her being abusive and controlling, causing her to become less emotionally independent. It's not that it makes her dependant on him, but still results in her lack of autonomy and authority over her own body and emotions. This turns her into the doll.
TL;DR: It's clearly not the sex that gives him satisfaction. He fucks his girl, the doll, and the girl like she is a doll, and still is not satisfied. This isn't roleplaying and "pretend you are my doll." He gets satisfaction from the act of imposing true emotional domination over a woman and from stripping away her autonomy.
He strikes me as one of those people who'll never want to be in any club that'll have him as a member. In other words, if his partner is an enthusiastic participant, he's unhappy, bc it lowers her value in his eyes & makes the physical activity between them less gratifying for him. This usually goes back to childhood and having a highly critical parent. As an adult, this type of person is always searching to dominate someone who's resistant towards them. The moment that resistance becomes compliance, though, they're dissatisfied and off chasing something else.
@@scarletsletter4466 This is really interesting
@@scarletsletter4466 This may well be the case, I dont think playing really hard to get is quite the cause of this. It doesn't seem like he cares that she is resistant to him, I believe him when he says this. I think he doesn't like her being resistant to anyONE. "Suppress. Numb. Accept. NOT because I said so, but because that's what you're supposed to be. That is your role. It's on you."
He wants to maintain the idea in his own mind that he's not the author of it all, it's part of the fantasy.
@@scarletsletter4466 you're just completely and wrong are not able to empathize with Max. Nevermind interpret his over the top fake video to what he's actually saying. He's clearly just making a point that he needs more sex from the relationship even if it's just her being a sex doll laying there. He says he loves and needs her but is just not being fulfilled in this category. When she tries to start qualifying and resisting his desires he responds back in kind because it's not what he wanted at all. She could have just said no, and frankly she should have if that's really the way she feels. Problem is if she admits that it means the end of their relationship, and she'd rather just obsficate and make it appear like she's contributing when she's really just trying to passive aggressively wiggle her way out of his needs. But then again it's 100% acting and fake so whatever, it's probably not even relevant to their relationship
@@Jeff-uu9vo bro it's really interesting that you're asking people to empathize with Mr. Girl but refuse to empathize with his gf.
Dont you think she understands the ultimatum that's being given to her?? Obviously she wants to be with Max but clearly what he's asking from her is a bit much for her atp. And her odd or "annoying" responses could be the result of her weighing the options in her mind.
Yeah someone who has issues with emotional regulation and mental health is going to have a hard time being clear and rational in a situation that is extremely emotional and intense lol not to mention the fact that she's been SA'd in the past.
Also I like how you retreat to saying the video is "acting" or whatever as if that makes any difference. Mr. Girl is a deeply damaged individual. That being said if he has certain needs from a relationship he can and should find a better partner for him but it seems like he revels in the fact that he's asking something of her that pushes her boundaries and could potentially be damaging. At the same time he doesn't want to be burdened with the fact that he's contributing to her emotional distress.
I see how you can empathize with him but I don't see how you could think his behavior is honest and rational or that his goals with that conversation were genuine.
Max says Shaylin is controlling, but he is constantly trying to control how she behaves.
Yup
Then also bitched about having to act like her parent.
"Gah your so controlling, why don't you give me everything I want, and when you do I don't like it cause it's being your parent."
This is such entry level thinking and you are basically saying Shaelin is dumb and you know better then her.
He's actually doing literally the opposite. He is trying to get her to control how she behaves, so he doesn't have to do it for her. She forces him to take control which is in itself a very controlling act. She even alludes to an ongoing dynamic in the relationship where she expects him to be a caretaker of her. I don't think Shaylin is a bad person, but she does know what she is doing. Truthfully, she probably doesn't even want to do it to Max, but being in control of yourself can actually be really fucking difficult.
@@cloudoftime look dude if all you can see is the face value surface level bs I don’t know what to say to you. Seems to me you have no experience in long term relationships. I didn’t say he sees her as dumb because she is compromised. I’m saying they think she is dumb because they and you seem to think they have a better understanding of Max then she does. And she is just a victim that you need to save. Completely obnoxious, that you all seem to think you understand the situation, better then the person that has spent 7 years with Max. I think it’s time you all admit to yourselves,you’re all quiet sexist.
Going back and watching these old MrGirl videos is crazy in retrospect
The way he tried to justify all his actions in his stream last night just makes this even worse
So easily fooled.
Thats what made me stop taking max seriously... He's so incapable of even acknowledging another point of view and here we are talking about some important things....
@@joaor3357 I was really disappointed because I thought he was this stubborn because it's all meaningless content. Talking about real life shit makes his quirky stubbornness seem like a huge character flaw...
Seeing him run for the reverse idpol defense this quick was Hella disappointing... You don't have to be a misandrist to dislike when one partner dismisses another because they are a bit uneasy about doing a very challenging sexual experiment...
He's acting like he asked shaelin to do anal after 3 years of focusing on her needs.
Necroplay or whatever they call it is far more than just a random experiment... Acting like she owes him not being defensive in any way is gigacringe...Not every reservation has to be some 4d chess power play for control...
And cut the shit about not wanting women to cry.. Her sobbing loudly was the only unlikable thing she did in that vid... Until then she just had better and more mature arguments...
@@joaor3357 They don't really care. Sometimes it's just fun to hate on something, and this guy is optically a good target to hate. They don't actually care about trying to understand the situation, so don't bother.
@@MrShagification cringe
I'm so glad she's willing to stand up for herself and I hope she's already left him For posting this video.
She seems to be doing fine on the relationship she continues to uphold. Give her some credit, she isn't just going to give up and run away.
@@MrShagification They've been together over 7 years AND SHE VERBALLY acknowledged she can't take it anymore. When you try for 7 years and get to your breaking point its not just " running away"
Max is so cringe. He’s ignoring everything she’s saying and then acting as if she never said any of it.
Why would anyone ever want to be in a relationship with him lol
"If something is 89% for me and 11% for you, you find a way to get 90% enjoyment out of that 11%"
Me: Whoa he just wants her to lay there and not or anything?
"I just want you yo lay there face down. Cry or bite down on something but dont make it about you"
Me: ....... How does he even have friends? Someone offer this woman an out right now.
She isn’t being controlling. It’s more like she is suffering from loss of control and is just letting him have all the control. He is seeing that and explaining it how it fits his world
She wants to be a girl and he wants her to man up
He literally called himself a slave owner, then said she was being controlling as soon as she had an opinion. What a real piece of work.
@@6cmcnc6 He didn't call himself a slave owner, he said he had a part of himself that is a slave owner. He is not saying he owns her, he is saying he has a need to feel like that some of the time and is saying that she must fulfil it if they are to continue their relationship. He lets her speak, he felt a certain manner in which she was speaking was controlling, it wasn't her having an opinion in of itself that he was calling controlling. But I get it, it's easier to interpret things as bad as possible to fit your internal narrative than to try to understand genuinely.
Idk to me it looks like max is the controlling one. While what he's saying isnt necessarily wrong hes saying it in the most insensitive way possible. "You have no choice" "you have to have sex how I want it" almost sounds like he's giving her an ultimatum. I understand what he's saying but the average person just doesn't talk like that
@@oxstr8upgreekxo730 that’s kinda what I’m seeing here, I see his side, but Mr. Girl phrases everything he says in the worst possible way and it comes off psychopathic at times.
Mr Girl: Yes, I am being rapey, that's what relationships are
Mr Girl 10 seconds later: I need you to stop making me out to be an abusive psycho
Destiny, if there was ever a time to intentionally burn a bridge, this is it. This combined with his Cuties video is just asking for trouble.
this girl need to leave asap.
My thoughts exactly, holy shit
The one thing that blew me away was how chat reacted. While there were people who were bothered by it, a lot of chat was omegalol'ing while she was breaking down. Now, admittedly I was laughing at MrGirl laughing, but it was highly involuntary. Otherwise I was thinking "Jesus Christ, MrGirl is a huge, _huge_ asshole".
@@albertjohnston1026 chat always uses the gigachad emote ironically
@@valforatlas Yeah but there has to be a limit _somewhere_ , right? Like, when Destiny makes a sexist joke or whatever and everyone Squad W's, or when someone bites a huge ass bullet and we/they all Gigachad, that's fine. But Max was _actively_ abusing her in this video, to the point that she was audibly crying from the other fucking room, and chat was omegalol'ing. That was rough.
@@albertjohnston1026 its chat bro theyre there to laugh, not cry
What possible upsides to the relationship could warrant putting up with this kind of fucking horrible behavior. It's not an act - mrgirl is one of the most psychotic people on the internet
Really, the only thing I've seen from mrgirl was his conversation with Lauren Southern, which I found fucking hilarious. Now, though, I'm learning that most of it wasn't an act, a brilliant character that he was being. I thought he was like a Karl Pilkington kinda fellow, where he involves his partner in his language and is hilarious with it.
Guess not.
IF this is any sort of real she's obviously just not the right partner for him. Like come on you won't have sex with your partner more than once a month? Problem is it's autistic to make a sex arrangement, he needs to get rid of her and find someone that meets his sexual needs. Or she just has to give it up once in a while... Like why is that so dehumanizing that you can't just fucking lay there for a few minutes once a month for the person you love to make them happy... Get over yourself
@@Jeff-uu9vo You can't honestly believe that this is a loving relationship. If that's what you gathered after that hour idk what to tell you.
Mr. Girl is attempting to build a career exploring taboo spaces.
@@Jeff-uu9vo You've got to be kidding me. She can have sex as frequently or as infrequently as she wants. She doesn't have to lay there for him if she doesn't want to. If she's not into that too bad. This is not the middle ages. It's not up to you to decide what someone should or shouldn't out up with sexually. He doesn't need to get rid of her. She needs to get rid of his manipulative autistic sociopath ass.
While the entire video was nasty, the part where he’s giggling while she’s crying was sick. What a genuinely horrible person.
“Hey, wanna go out to lunch tomorrow?”
Mr. girl: “Sure”
“Ok, what time should we meet?”
Mr. girl: “YOU SAID TOMORROW YOU’RE BEING SO CONTROLLING OMG WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE ABOUT YOU”
So fucking cringe
🤣 so true
No it shows he's super deep maaaaaan. You just aren't on his level.
Isn’t that what a cry bully does? The fucked up part is that they even believe the fairy tale they spun themselves.
@Jo It is comparable. It was a clarifying question, she wasn't sure what he wanted.
MrGirl is the biggest manipulator I've seen or heard in a long time.
he's just like me
He’s a psycho
@@th34st fr
amber heard?
Only stupid people would fall for him. He is so obviously a narcissistic manipulator. I hate to call his GF dumb but she seems to either have massive issues or is geniunely dumb if she fell for him.
For someone who tells everyone to go to therapy, Mr. Girl could certainly use therapy himself (or more of it. Or a different therapist, if he’s already in therapy). He also said he’d respect ppls’ boundaries, yet when Shaelin (sp?) says she wants out of the interview and doesn’t want it posted, he keeps pushing.
I like some of his work, but the way he treats Shaelin sets off domestic violence alarms in my head. His previous interview with her where he talks about why she has tattoos and piercings was pretty illuminating to his POV on things. Him saying something along the lines of “We are in a relationship, so your body is also at least partially mine,” is pretty disturbing.
He’s a control freak that uses “boundaries” to justify his grab for that power. He seems unwilling to compromise on many things.
Just my opinion. He seems way more conservative than he lets on as well.
Shaelin : (cries)
MrGirl : OMEGALUL
Dude just wants a slave.
This is just actual abuse and manipulation. She deserves better than having her thoughts dismissed.
Find someone who agrees to these things before you commit. Don’t massively change things and then be upset when the other person isn’t into it.
I think you don't understand that all of this is an Andy Kaufman work
This isn't a skit?
Yeah, he basically wants CNC, ie, someone to consent in advance to activity that will look non-consensual (or at least, unenthusiastic) during the act. There's nothing wrong *IF* everyone consents & is into that type of activity. However, that's clearly not the situation here. To continue pushing yr partner to do things she said she doesn't want to do is wrong.
@@scarletsletter4466 except its a bit, the whole thing was an Andy Kaufman work, you are the punchline, lest you forget this is a man who made a music video singing about being a pedophile (which Shaelin was in) where he squirted a gusher on his tongue like it was a drug.
Not exactly. You don't understand because you're stupid. He wants her to do something for him, and only for him every once in a while. This is because he sometimes gets tired of having to worry too much about trying to please the other person.
The laugh at the end... I truly wish the worst for Max. He deserves the worst.
Mr Girl is absolutely vile and I'm done even if it's a bit. You absolutely cannot disregard your SO's perspective/feelings and or speak so directly constantly. I havent been in a lot of relationships but I've been with the same woman for 12 years. You can speak the truth to your SO about your wants and needs but sometimes you need sweetness to help that burr of truth go down. Jesus fucking christ.
Don’t forget the gaslight and priming by changing the of words (the you have to have sex with me, you aren’t allowed to have boundaries)
@@KHJohan what's sad is hes not entirely wrong with the "if you want this relationship to continue you need to have sex with me". For the majority of humanity sex is needed to keep the relationship healthy but the framing is all wrong and focused on only one person.
The gaslighting is absolutely unforgivable.
well said. My marraige would fall apart if we disregard HOW we speak to each other even if we at the end of it are still saying the same thing. It's called respect for each other.
I don't support him as a creator, but it's a good thing to have people like him out there. Having mental illness in livestreams and questionable creators oversharing increases the odds of the right people getting support, instead of taking all this underground. What I wonder is what their couple's counsellor knows about these videos Max puts out, or if they are even aware this "art" is in the public domain. It doesn't matter if the GF is an abuser or if Max has been all along, oversharing in the public leads to this dogpile shit he complains about. You reap what you sow.
Yeah people like MrGirl are narcissistic af.
There is a level of precision and efficiency in thought and speech that Mr Girl is expecting here that is inhuman and insufferably anti-charitable in every imaginable way. The only question i have is does he realize that or not? I feel like he does but i can't wrap my head around why someone would put another person through that or why anyone would stick around for it.
This 1000%. It feels worse because it’s purposeful. Thinking that she is doing a power grab in the middle of this is hilarious, I mean watching this seems like someone who wants to use the English language as specific as possible and calling others out for not using the same semantic view of English.
In this very conversation, you can catch him up and do the same shit that he’s doing. He reads her mind but he would never let that happen reversed. How much of an ass he’s being this entire time, it’s cringe levels I’ve never seen. She outright says this shouldn’t be in the video and I’m somehow watching it. It’s hard to not want him to have to feel the same things he’s making people feel.
@@michaeljeffreyjordan4966 there is zero shame or humility in the way he presents any of it while he heaps one expectation after another onto her and layering the pressure he's putting on her. I would find being around him in her situation supremely exhausting and entirely impossible.
Maybe it's because you don't actually have the necessary information to make a judgement on the interpersonal relationship of a two strangers just because you watched one highly edited video.
@@michaeljeffreyjordan4966 Even if she is trying to get some control is Mr girl really trying to say shes more controlling than he is?
@@MrShagification Or maybe it's because he's making that assessment based on the available evidence that there is.
it'd be absurd for us to watch this entire thing and draw no conclusions. why even bother at that point? Even if it is some fucked up art piece, do you not think this is the EXACT response he was fishing for here?
If I had scripted this to show a typical example of an emotionally abusive partner, people would say it's way too over-the-top to be realistic.
calling it once again, I did it when this guy first started appearing in debate spaces, this is not going to end well
At least there are some of us who picked up on it within a minute of hearing the guy speak. He is a horrible person to his core and it shocks me that people will try to justify it
Future here it didn't lol
That food eating is once of the most psychosis inducing things I’ve ever seen
Creepy too
Lack of self awareness and literal selfish creep. "You're trying to be controlling" saying the person forcing her into his comforts and not wanting to even considering her comforts. Telling her to "shut up" and considering "go on" as some power move. Fuckin' Crist dude. He is an abuser, by definition. If she's not comfortable with his wants or vice versa, just end the relationship FFS. He's got the serial killer vibes.
It's hard to know whether any of this is an act, some persona, but even if so, it's still disgusting.
I find Mr. Girl disturbing...anyone else? This entire thing of wanting his girl to just lay there...kind of reeks of a lack of empathy. I'm trying not to kink shame, but she's clearly upset about this and doesn't enjoy it? I think they should break up.
"she's clearly upset about this and doesn't enjoy it? I think they should break up."
Classic misogynist telling women how they're feeling and how they should break up with their bf.. keep treating women like retarded children
It's a dominance thing , he wants to completely control the sexual encounter. It's not about you , and God help you if moan or enjoy pleasure yourself because you're ruining it for me!
100% agree
Same MrGirl has issue's
Yes, the video it actually reminds me of some of the more intense and unhealthy relationship dialogues from Ingmar Berman movies and..there is just the tiniest part of me that can imagine him explaining to police in the exactly same rational self justified tone just why he ended up killing her.
Mr Girl: "Do you think you can be controlling by asking a question?" ... *waits for agreement*
also Mr Girl: "How is it pushing your boundaries to ask you for something sexual???"
@@dogeatdog6157 In the first, he's accusing her of being controlling by asking questions. In the second, he is claiming to NOT be controlling by asking questions that PUSH on her boundaries.
When she asks questions, he claims she is being manipulative. When he asks questions, he claims he is not being manipulative. Clearly he is applying different rules for him and her but this is all disguised in the discourse.
When he is laughing at the end and Destiny writes down the question "Why the laughing" I would add a 4th option. He is laughing because he feels genuinely happy that the narcissist void is filled with her negative emotion - a power rush. I see the happiness in his eyes as I saw it in my father - though Max is way more open/transparent about it.
I seriously pity those who unironically look up to Mr. Girl, or think that he's a well adjusted adult in any way...
He seems like an absolute cretin
I think even most of his “fans” don’t like how he treats Shaylin
@@avalauren4731unfortunately I've been seeing a lot of defense for Mr girl in the comments
says the destiny fan
Re: makeup, I'd like to point out that when Pokimane dared to show her bare face, people screenshotted it and used it to insult her and imply she was ugly. Pokimane. Someone who is already, by most standards, very attractive.
Yeah, it's insane. Shit like that is definitely not healthy for a society.
The only ones doing that were people who already disliked her and were looking for any and every opportunity to fire shots.
Most women wouldn't experience anything like that if they stopped wearing makeup; except from other women _maybe._
@@wisemage0 I wish that were true. Unfortunately, real life experiences have taught me otherwise.
@@folklorefanatic7193 It really depend on where you live and how public your social media accounts are.
@@RanEncounter Maybe now, but I was talking about experiences before social media existed, in the 90s and 00s.
"How is it pushing your boundaries when you can just say no?" He says after implying that she HAS to fulfill his sexual desires. And also calling her controlling for not letting him be controlling. Geez, I never thought Mr.Girl was this fucked in the head. I never exactly agreed with him on everything, but I at least understood where he was coming from up until this point. This is literally just him exposing how he tries to manipulate his girlfriend into doing things she's not comfortable with.
Edit: Also "You can clearly see that I want to provide this for you" which Mr.Girl responds with "You have to."
It should be obvious that no one HAS to do anything. The alternative, if something like this is a deal breaker, is that they break up. If something like this is a deal breaker for Mr.Girl, then sure that's fine. No one should be forced to stay in a relationship they aren't happy in for whatever reason. However, by saying she HAS to do this thing he's implying that she is responsible for whether or not their relationship continues or not. He's doing this because he knows she doesn't want this to lead to a break up, therefore her options are do what I want or YOU'RE causing the break up. In reality, assuming everyone is a good actor, no one should be the blame for a relationship not working.
Moral of the story
having boundaries means being controlling.
@@tubblestop414 someone else having boundaries is controlling. MrGirl screaming at people that they need to do what he wants is just him being heckn cute and honest with his boundaries.
Ah yes the first sign of a healthy relationship is arguments about power dynamics and marking sex in your calendar like a meeting.
And during the sex just lay there like a piece of meat. Fucking weird, man
idk whats going on but im sure its gonna be fucked up
He uploaded a video today explaining it in detail if you actually care to listen and learn.
@@rexenoshi stfu and spare me with your mental gymnastics you do when calling it "learning"
oh lol guess i did learn something :p
@@joaor3357 what lmao
@@joaor3357 dude you're delusional
@@joaor3357 Nice bait.
I can’t believe they’re still together mid 2024… YIKES
For anybody who has heard Mr Girl define a "lie", you should be able to count at least 23 lies he says to his gf in this video. And of course he'd claim he's not lying. It's fun!
where can I find his definition? I stopped watching MrGirl vids a while ago.
Time stamp them so destiny can use em
The goal seems to pretty much just be to berate her and push to have this conversation until he gets his yes. Wouldn't be surprised if this issue is always cycled back to no matter what the subject of conversation is supposed to be about.
The goal was to get her to set her own boundaries but she was being vague about what she wanted and that’s why mrgirl kept pressing her to do just that. But she clearly couldn’t make up her mind on what she wanted. She agreed to the sex act but didn’t want to cement anything. When offered to rescind the act, she also didn’t want to say yes. This is an extremely complicated interaction between 2 people that love each other, trying to have a meta conversation. The majority of this conversation was just that, a conversation of, this is what I want, what do you want?
He got his "yes" pretty much instantly? If his goal was to get the yes it would've stopped there. But it clearly didn't. To me it seems that he just wants her to state her needs clearly. But what do i know, she is crying in the end so it HAS to be abuse.
@@rexenoshi yea in a belligerent and coercive manner.... Lmao how to aggressively manipulate someone into setting their own boundaries.... You have to think this man is a infallible Saint to not reasonably assume bad intent.
@@rexenoshi she agreed to it to please him (or is scared of him) then her actions of not wanting to cement shows that she actually doesnt want to do it (I know you have said yes to something you didnt want to do before and then made excuses to get out of it) This is not complicated. Max then berates her for not being concrete but he and the audience already knows she doesnt want too. He berates her until he wins, simple.
@@rexenoshi Did you mean "rescind the act"? Legitimately not sure if that's what you meant to say or I'm misunderstanding the sentence.
Guys, this is why you don't give up hope. If Mrgirl can get a girlfriend acting like this, so can you!
asking a question is her taking control but him asking her to do something and go past an already established boundary isnt?
How is it an established boundary when she says in the video she wants to do it for him?
@@rayjakson7979 An established boundary between them was not taking about relationship like this on camera anymore so that in itself was probably causing some emotional distress but also he starts the video with "you HAVE to have sex with me" in order for the relationship to keep going. It's coercion.
Obviously she wants to keep it going so her gut reaction is to say yes but everything else she does in the video shows she's uncomfortable in like every conceivable way.
@@rayjakson7979 she said they previous established boundaries but then in this convo he brings them up again pushing into that boundary.
I've realized that, while he'd probably disagree, MrGirl tends to treat almost every human interaction as a zero sum game. Like both parties can't win. There has to be a winner and a loser. So if you're winning, it necessarily means he's losing. It also explains his view points on a lot of subjects.
Literally textbook narcissistic behavior.
That actually makes sense. His debates tend to crash when he feels like someone else is winning. Then he resorts to full on trolling.
Yes but this is extremely worse by miles.
If I wanted to write a play or short film on gaslighting and emotional abuse, I could literally just transcribe Mr. Girl's interaction with his girlfriend.
I don't really see how anyone can really defend Mr. Girl in this situation I mean like he seems to thrive off of people seeing him as a abuser and that is his persona at this point. Not sure if he actually abuses her but this seems like obvious manipulation and atleast me tal/emotional abuse
MrGirl wanting her to act as a sex doll whenever he wants... and her not agreeing is upsetting him. It's not an inherently antisocial fantasy, but he is making it antisocial by wanting her to not speak or negotiate about it in real life/outside of the sexual encounter and just submit whenever he wants. This is not a typical kink request in a healthy relationship. Some may say its..... sociopathic.
Also the fact that he's made it clear he knows she doesn't like it but that's part of what he enjoys (hence "I don't like a real sex doll bc it's not letting me have what I want") and also says he doesn't want to hear her complaining about it. He knows she's uncomfortable and he wants it anyway.
Kink is totally acceptable to me & doesn't mean you're a bad person, but kink involves consent and enjoyment on both ends. This is not acceptable kink.
Think this is a little disingenuous. It's not "Whenever he wants" it's "Whenever they can agree to". It's not like he is demanding she do it every day. He is asking if any of this deal is possible and in what kind of time frame she would accept it in.
It is very clearly a kink for selfish controlled sex however. The entire conversation is highly autistic though.
This video is explicitly them negotiating and speaking about it. At this point you're just being intentionally stupid and willfully ignorant.
His gf deserves so much more than him. I don't mind max' ideas and thoughts but I hate the way he treats her. (Only from my understanding, but its disgusting)
She seems genuinely sweet
Praying I can find a genuine partner with a spine who's not constantly acting weird and edgy and attention seeking. Wish me luck.
Dont look for guys with hard on for always winning arguments and a strange fascination with P**o minds.
lmao I'm gonna wildly guess you haven't been in many. If you do and this keeps happening- you are the problem bro
Why are you trying to construe Mr Girl as having no spine, he's only possibly too much the opposite
@@implodingllama2092 It's just how some roundabout soy-cucks decide to express themselves.
Totally irrelevant to the matter fact followed by something they think.
Instead of just saying what they want, they have to couch the statement in something that is supposed to resemble an ironic joke of sorts.
Good luck, and I hope the partner you find are not like the guys above my reply lmao
The king of empathy, everybody.
Yeah, at the end where she's crying in the other room, and he's sitting there laughing was uncomfortable to watch.
Although, I'm sure there have been times where I got into a fight with my wife, if I was being filmed I would seem unsympathetic as well.
@@TheNewLooter kind of a pointless distinction when he does neither.
@@TheNewLooter I don't know if you've ever watched a Mr Girl convo, but he's literally the embodiment of cringey internet psychoanalysis.
@@TheNewLooter I don't think he is
@@TheNewLooter No, not really. He's very good at repeatedly telling people what they feel regardless of what they say.
Wow, upping the gain to record her sobbing in the background while he's smiling.
That's one way to look like a total psychopath with no empathy.
Why is he inexplicably shirtless through this entire thing? Shirtless with an inflatable sex doll in the background. While he loudly eats an orange. Shit like this is what makes me keep thinking its a bit. It feels like I'm watching an Eric Andre interview.
It's not inflatable, it's much better than that 😁
Im so confused as to what she gets out of this relationship.
@@cloudoftime Agreed. Most people would be worn down dealing with these kinds of mind games on the regular. Sometimes something is what it is--or should be left that way--rather than digging into all the different elements, spectrums, overtones, and undertones of it.
Man it's a good thing this guy turned out to be trust worthy and never tried to destroy destiny. I just got out of a coma so I'm sure that still tracks.
This guy gives me hella chills.
Grow up. Think of the top 5 most evil things you’ve done. Chills bro chills.
He's very edgy.
I don't get chills, bit I'm genuinely perplexed by what goes on in his head.
Burger king foot lettuce
Every time I see more content of MrGirl the more convinced I get of how emotionally and physically abusive he is towards women.
I think he actually enjoys these kinds of conflicts so he forces them where they’re just totally unnecessary. That argument did not need to go that way at all. He just wants it to.
The part where he berates her about her making him out to be an abuser and then calls her a psychotic abuser is insane.
Mr. Girl: Don't move, this experience is just for me
Shaelin: *tries to enjoy her sexual experience*
Mr. Girl: You're being abusive.
Edit: Max trying to make sex transactional/scheduled is kinda cringe.
Edit 2: Max is obviously gaslighting her into thinking *SHE* is being controlling by protecting her bodily autonomy
Edit 3: Max is clearly gaslighting her, kinda gross.
Edit 4: Max trying to convince her that being uncomfortable with the on camera shit (that wasn't discussed beforehand) is her fault for getting upset
Calling anything gross, is soy. Just agree or disagree.
@@dogeatdog6157 It is transactional. but is the fact that mrgirl, and other edgelords, says it out loud and makes it planned that is cringy af.
@@spacecowboy9807 Huh? You saying people don't have sex for fun?
@@jacobd8351 Saying soy unironically is crange.
@@jacobd8351 No.
It really bothers me that people like Mr. Girl are allowed to live in normal society like he isn’t a potential harm to others.
destiny becomes braindead whenever he's engaging with this creep
(from 6 months ago) Mr. Girl is what happens when a reasonably intelligent, white, middle class, bearded cis male spends his life being medicore, realizes it in his mid 30s, and invests in a webcam and a microphone instead of a therapist.
So destiny.
@@lampad4549 Destiny had money in his 20s
(from 6 months ago) romnesia7729 is what happens when a reasonably dumb, white, middle class, bearded trans nonbinary adhd person spends their life being medicore, realizes it in their mid 30s, and starts slapping a bunch of self identifiers to feel special instead of a therapist.
What do you mean by "spending his life being mediocre"?
@SlamScum
I've already posted it 200+ times between all the destiny channels, the subreddit, and Mr. Girl's own platforms. I can go for 300 though, if you want.
“Asking you to do something doesn’t push your boundaries. You can just say no.”
Except for when your partner asks questions, then that’s abuse and playing power dynamics.
And if that partner rejects to engage with your questions, that person is refusing to reinforce their own boundaries. This is also manipulation.
And at the same time, these questions are contractual obligations which must be answered in the context of this conversation, specifically, and they will determine the trend of sexual conduct moving forward in the relationship.
So questions are both a source of domination, control, establishing (and not establishing) boundaries, commitment to sexual obligations, and also benign inquisition simultaneously. Which form these questions take is arbitrary and solely dependent on some nebulous internal criterion.
Cool.
The appropriate way to push boundaries is to ask questions. The problem is Mr. Girl isn't really asking questions. He's making demands and then when she tries to clarify the demand, he gets mad and tells her to shut the fuck up and stop manipulating him.
Ok, the way Mr. Girl is *phrasing* monogamy is convoluted. It's not that she *has to* have sex with him or the relationship suffers, it's that they both are devoted to each other such that having sex is a *given.* I feel like Max is misconstruing obligations with devoted acts. There's a fine nuance between these two things. Loyalty and obligations are more so terms relating to oath-taking or some kind of contractual service, like military service for example, and things like these are *not* fit for civilian life. For civilian life, devotion to another is much more fit than *loyalty* to another.