Yup, and he breaks social norms on purpose - JUST for people like you. Did you know he recently interviewed an ACTUAL pedophile for 2+ hours? His whole arc is to 'break the current internet' and grow empathy between all spectrums of people. Frankly, I wholeheartedly agree with his mission. Just by the look of this comment section - it's upsetting how much of a padded psych ward 95% of the people in here need. Just santimonious, judgey, moral supremacist schlock. Soooo many socially weak & feeble minds. Zero adult critical thinking... but Dunning-Kreuger they think the opposite. So many in here need to touch some grass and grow wayyyy up. These are adult conversations. *Hunter did a fantastic job on counterpoint and volleying* I said so on this same interview posted on Mrgirl's channel. But the difference in comment sections is STAGGERING. It's really too bad. Serious adult analysis over on Mrgirl's comments... bellyaching and virtue signaling and purity testing here.
@@Indyawillis85 The sentiment that Max didn't answer the pedophile question properly, or to one's liking, and thus one found that somewhat shocking. anddddddd... thus my comment, responding to exactly that sentiment. How is this hard?
I think the comparison to stigmatizing while not stigmatizing too much would be something like STI's. People shouldn't be stigmatized for having an STI, but they should be stigmatized for trying to spread it/pretending it's a good thing to have.
Mr. Girl is if the "well she's 13 but that's close enough to 14 and 14 is the new 15 and her birthday is soon anyways so she's more like 16 and 16 is legal in some places" meme was a person.
@@tunahan4418 well, my reply got removed for some reason, so I'll put it here as censor friendly as I can. Quit defending him. Your just as guilty. Not to mention he IS a (you know the word). Just because he say he isn't doesn't mean he isn't. Also obviously he isn't exactly saying what I said. That's just a meme. He still said they were attractive.
Hunter has been the only person I've seen online saying, pre-pedos need to seek help and reduce the stigma. I get call of sorts of names stating this online.
@Blaze Hellfire Hmmm... there is a 50/50 shot at this being a continuation of the irony... so.. if you're also kidding that's hilarious! If not then either: 1. you think I want pedos to abuse children which I DON'T or 2. you think I want to oppress straight people which I also don't wanna do lmao. Either way, I thought I should clarify, have a nice day.
@@jmcdrawer5031 are you serious? Countless Christians believe in child marriage, having 18 as the age of consent is part of the modern more secularized world. The states that still allow child marriage with parental consent are conservative states. Religious people in general are most likely to think that girls having their period means they are ready for sex because they relate it to nature and signals from God while secular people are more likely to base it off of consent and mental maturity. Which children and animals cannot give. Incest was another staple of religion if you look at royal bloodlines that proudly toted their branch of Christianity.
That was a more productive conversation than I was expecting, and I can respect a guy for delving into the darker realities of our minds. But I still feel like he goes a bit far with his ideas. I also feel like, if you're someone who has these destructive tendencies, and instead of acting on them you seek help for it; you deserve a lot of respect. Because in a sense, you're the only person protecting people from yourself. Same with mass shooters, nobody will have an ounce of respect for you after you pull the trigger, but if you stop yourself before any harm is done and more importantly tell people you need help; you're kinda doing an act of heroism.
I think having an open conversation about this no matter how uncomfortable is important. I believe that people who have pedophilia urges should be treated with mental health services, Instead of saying they should all be in prison. But I don't even know if this guy is joking or honestly serious.. (Nope, he needs help.)
You are totally correct. From a harm reduction point of view prison and punitive punishment are way less effective at reducing the number of children being hurt than good quality psychological interventions. But the truble is people like this guy make that argument so hard to get across by pretending to say the same thing before twisting it into full on apologia. People have heard guys like this so many times whenever they hear the start of the argument they just assume it will end up like this. I don't know how we can get past that.
@@WhichDoctor1 It's actually because most people have emotional knee-jerks toward the idea of things they consider morally wrong, because they don't have reasoned ethical systems outside *of* intuitive feelings. So they feel that just having the conversation is itself bad because the very concept is intuitively "wrong" or "tainted", and they think that if you have to ask questions to arrive at ethical positions instead of "just knowing" what's "naturally" (read: Based on their feelings, which are themselves biased by societal conditioning) right or wrong, it's a sign of being less than 100% against the "evil thing" and therefore harboring some sympathies for said "evil thing". It's nothing more than reactionary thinking and the politics of thoughtcrime.
@@FelisImpurrator What about the people that were actually effected by this though? Not everyone is a reactionary knee jerker as you claim to say. Like I understand that we need to have more conversations like this as just closing it yo and not talking about it at all will not solve anything however whether the response is good or bad to this at least its somewhat of a start. Now the problem and issue I have with this situation is that I've been seeing alot of pedophiles lately saying that therapy is "conversion therapy", which if you ask me is a ridiculous response from some pedophiles. Now I'm not against pedophiles getting help. They should get the help that they need to reduce the urges but I just find the whole situation so funny now because I'm seeing quite few to some pedophiles saying that therapy is conversion therapy whenever there's a chance of just someone saying that therapy when pedophilia is involved especially when Hunter says it I'm starting to feel like there some pedophiles who deceptively use the term "conversion therapy" and swap out such term for therapy as a buzzword for something extremely bad which honestly I find that ridiculous when years ago pedophiles werw litteraly begging to seek out help and now some ate claiming for it to be conversion therapy. Not all but some. Also there was guy who was a map who came on to Hunters stream about pedophilia being a sexaul orientation or whatever have you thinking as well that therapy, regular therapy is also conversion therapy. I think when it comes to pedophiles in general we have to be careful what it is exactly that we are trying to do here because it can cause irreversible harm and damage to children and we as society don't want to push the message that being a Pedophile is more OK or that's its good. It's very weird how Mrgirl and so many other pedophiles assume that we sayinbg we are shaming them when that's not case at all. In fact we are saying the we just want certain level of stigmatation to be removed that is just the case. It's kind of liketellinf a fat person that they are un healthy and that fat people shouldn't push the idea of fat acceptance but we aren't bullying them or sing them we are just telling them that the condition they are living in is simply just not healthy at all. The same can be said about pedophilia. Mrgirl is a recklus irresponsible delusional fool. Who thinks he can just live by the road with risk not have to suffer any consequences that come with it. He is extremely delusional by the way speaks and completely backwards with his way of thinking its laughable. I just hope we know exactly what we're doing when dealing with such sensitive topics like this because it can set us in the wrong path in society. Yeah sorry for the long comments.
I think really what this boils down to is we really need to stop sexualising underage girls. What leads to things like pedophilia being normalised is the way youth is fetishised. The fact that child brides are still a thing in this day and age or child beauty pageants. That's the kind of thing that needs to stop. Cuties should never have been made. Mr. Girl doesn't just want to destigmatise pedophiles getting help. He wants pedophilia to be accepted as as a sexuality. Which it isn't. He's comparing his Cuties review to a straight guy saying Captain America's ass is hot. That's not the same thing at all. Chris Evans is an adult. Children cannot give consent, that's why we have age of consent laws. There is a very, very good reason why people have such extreme reactions to pedophilia and child abuse and as much as he says there's a "witch hunt", honestly more could be done to protect children. Lots of very powerful and wealthy people abuse children everyday through sex trafficking and grooming. The Catholic Church STILL abuses children to this day and has power despite being exposed IN THE 90'S. Yes, there are more nuanced discussions to be had and of course not everyone with an attraction to children is an abuser. So of course I'm all for encourage those with that affliction to seek help without judgement. But what Mr. Girl is advocating for is complete acceptance of everyone's "preferences" and equating pedophillic individuals to those in the LGBTQ community which is just plain false equivalency.
yes completely agreed. a mod kept getting upset with me for saying negative things about him.. personally i think if you learn from this guy then okay i guess that’s fine but in my opinion there are plenty of people who can teach this subject and the nuance whatever, who don’t Also say nasty things and promote harmful behavior. in my opinion considering what he does this mrgirl isn’t good for anything and i don’t know why anyone is talking to him.
HAHAHA I love how so many on here just don't understand or know Max yet. His pedo arc is a very distinct intellectual adventure that brings to light a ton of concepts in what he explores in his content. Underlying all of this is his main foundation: Empathy. Our worst demon? In this society, pedophiles. So he uses that arc/trigger to be the bookend of one end of a spectrum. He could have also used Nazis. Anyway - your comment on "instantly replying" is exactly one of the analyses he does - 'performative rage' ... you're a textbook case on how everybody has been socially trained to act, to quickly signal virtue. Think about not being a pedophile - and NOT CARING if some people don't like your cues, or lack of instant responses... or may even thus suspect you are a pedophile. Think about that. Actually, factually, reality... NOT being a pedophile. Part of his arcs/content is the analysis of why it's such a socially taboo reaction built into people that is so significant. Reeeee! NO I'm not a pedo. Reeeee! NO I'm not a Nazi. See... Max doesn't care what people think. So he gets to relax on a whole other level, and let his actions/ideas be the his truth. He often doesn't answer "the question" immediately or directly... and I LOVE people's reactions LOL
I think MrGirl's hesitation is what seals his honesty for me. He's not the person to summarily reject that he is something, and will give thought to whether he could be brought to do something or be something. The question shouldn't be "are you a pedophile?" but "is there anything you know of which would bring you to be a pedophile?"
This is why I don’t like mr.girl, “I’m not hear to morally grandstand” 2 seconds later “you guys that don’t like pedos are really rude, also let me dodge this am I a pedo question”
Man this guy creeps me out and also makes me want to make sure my kid never meets someone like this. If you don't firmly stand against the abuse of children then you are part of the problem.
You went way too leniant on him tbh. He literally dropped that it is apparently normal to be aroused by a 12 year old twerking and in an irl academic setting everyone would agree, except for the online world. The delusions are crazy. I would have called him out like 10 minutes in or at the latest when he said irl people would be like „“yeaaathat 12yo girl twerking would get most straight guys get hard“ like Whaaaaat wtf
I get a feeling this dude isn't real. He knows this pdf file thing is a super hot button issue that makes people crazy. It's even more controversial than race/racism issues and so he's using it to position himself into online debate communities. It's kinda clever if you're willing to take loads of hate and death threats.
It's funny he mentions tiktok...it's a For You Page for a reason. The algorithm knows what you want to see, based off what you interact with. Of course he's going to be seeing the preteen/teenage girls, because that's what he likes and the algorithm knows that. While yes, technology has made it a lot easier for adults to groom kids, it's the responsibility of the adult to know not to fucking do that shit 😭
This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Literally every time I turn on tiktok I have to scroll through dozens of teeny bop bullshit before I get to anything related to my searches, follows, or liked categories. Maybe 3 gaming things pop up, then a dozen more teeny boppers
Doesn’t that prove his point? That tik tok is directing pedophiles to provocative content of kids? Seems like tik tok is putting kids in harms way to me
He mentions having an adult girlfriend.. is she comfortable knowing he watched a movie and found the children 'hot'?? If my fiance told me he felt sexual attraction to kids, I would urge him to get help, but I honestly wouldn't be able to continue the relationship.
dude i could have a better convo with hunter avallone about potential solutions to paedophillia and the harm it causes than mr girl. His presentation is genuinely skin crawling and he seems to not be willing to say anything concrete
He’s said it a ton before in his own content, he’s just usually standoffish about performatively doing it every time he talks to a new streamer or content creator because he knows if the person he was talking to really thought he was a p******** they wouldn’t be talking to him and that it’s just a ritual to calm down the feral and bloodthirsty audience
@@caad5258 HAHAHA I love how so many on here just don't understand or know Max yet. His pedo arc is a very distinct intellectual adventure that brings to light a ton of concepts in what he explores in his content. Underlying all of this is his main foundation: Empathy. Our worst demon? In this society, pedophiles. So he uses that arc/trigger to be the bookend of one end of a spectrum. He could have also used Nazis. No, Max isn't a pedophile, dummy. LOL Take a moment... Think about not being a pedophile, and NOT CARING if some people don't like your cues, or lack of instant responses... or may even thus suspect you ARE a pedophile. Think about that. I repeat: actually, factually, reality... NOT being a pedophile. Would you care? Should you care? Remember - you're not a pedo. Sooooo? Part of his arcs/content is the analysis of why it's such a notably significant socially taboo reaction built into people. Reeeee! NO I'm not a pedo. Reeeee! NO I'm not a Nazi. When the vast majority of people are not, we all know that, and yet? We still do the dance. And boy, do we Riverdance that motherfucker LOL See... Max doesn't care what people think. So he gets to relax on a whole other level, and let his actions/ideas be his truth. He OFTEN doesn't answer "the question" immediately or directly... and I LOVE people's reactions LOL
This guy has been creepy as fuck in every debate so far, why do liberals keep propping him up as a worthwhile conversationalist? He’s doubled subscribers through this crap.
He's a repulsive person but he shouldn't be allowed an echo chamber; his fans should have the chance to see how his behavior doesnt hold up to scrutiny
Love from germany! Herr hunter, one question, what are your thoughts on the SPD, I know its foreign politics to you but from your knowledge what are your thoughts
I know you didn’t ask me but personally I view them somewhat favorably. They’re a bit too left for my taste but I like them. I however am more of an FDP enjoyer though
20:59 the fact that mrgirl is so convinced that it’s not only reasonable, but NORMAL to be attracted to 11 & 12 year olds twerking, *only further proves that he and other Oreos indeed DO need help*
Ok so from my understanding, Hunter is saying pedophiles might not see how their attraction is wrong and people should express the wrongness of that when those feelings are shared. That’s a good point. The other guy is saying(I think) that attacking or harassing those people can push them to ignore or push aside those feelings in unhealthy ways, or try to reject that they have that problem, without seeking help. In the same way that men are taught to repress certain emotions by social stigma.
And from my understanding i think this Mrgirl should stop doing whatever the shit he is doing and get a FUCKING THERAPY. He is asking people to accept dark urges and basically embrace them. Its not okay to supress certain urges but when you fucking know that these urges may lead to hurting of other people (well kids in case of pedophiles) then you should try to get some help ASAP and NOT try to normalise these urges by talking about "people should be their real selves" or whatever the BS Mrgirl talks about
Yes he did say “it does a pretty good job in terms of sexy music videos getting aroused, at least to me, your mileage may vary” He is 100% one of those MAP pride people. The way he speaks and phrases it. The above sentencr could be phrased as such “they have a lot of sexy music videos in the movie which is supposed to arouse people/pdfs/etc.” and it would be fine as it is factual correct. But nope. He made it about himself. That HE HINSELF got hard off it. And no that’s not normal as a straight guy. I would never get aroused by all this provocative imagery in the movie.
If someone gets off on on a show called cuties, that is them being on a dangerous path to do harm to kids if they don’t seek therapy nor the way to suppress their thoughts. It’s not just self harm, that path. This guy is selfish by thinking only about the person with thoughts of children and not the children that can be the potential victim. I mean does this guy think it won’t be past self-harm until they act? Then all the past thoughts that lead to that action are harmful to themselves AS WELL as the victims
As a Society we need to stand up and say "unacceptable" together to the idea of children of any gender being sexualized in media of any kind. If a person feels attracted to a child who hasn't gone through puberty yet for any reason they have a mental illness that, if not treated, will only get worse. You just can't do it. You can't do it. Period.
This MrGirl guy is a plant. He’s a master manipulator and great at communicating by the tone and cadence of his voice. It’s very mellow and hypnotic, I recognize this tonality and inflection with Sam Harris as well.
i think that in this case i feel theres has to be a certain level of stigma, like lets say im a pedophile and i see online several ppl saying me that is okay that i have this thoughts and that i should be in touch with those feelings i feel that would make me believe that is okay to have this thoughts and enact them because that plays into a certain level of normalization insted of someone like hunter saying oh hey i know you have this thoughts and you arent a monster because you have them but you should seek therapy for you to not harm any child i think i would listen better to someone that is just telling me that my thoughts are bad and seek help instead of someone telling me that is okay to have them and be in touch with them
Yeah, but what you are describing is essentially Conversion Therapy. It doesn't work. Can you turn a gay man straight, through therapy? Sexual proclivity is a DEEP DEEP unknown embedded into the psyche. It's been proven time & time again, that by the time you are an adult - your particular sexual firmware is pretty much fixated for the rest of your life. Not much is going to change. It's never been successful. All your likes, kinks, preferences, etc. Pretty fundamental stuff. *So yes - the point is to be settled on the desires you have - because it's a mental health hellscape if you think you're going to change it, and it just won't* So why make having the curse of an IRL-illegal sexuality even worse? The goal is making peace with, and knowing that you have that firmware - not that your thoughts are bad and you need mental health intervention - like some mental patient. Pedophiles are otherwise completely normal and functional and succesful people, psychologically. It is INDEED OK to have ANY thought. Sawing somebody in half with a chainsaw. Fucking your best friend's wife. And yes, sex with young people. Animals. Whatever. They are thoughts. Nobody has a right to your mind. If all that shit stays there - it harms nobody. ACTIONS harm. So we get to the crux of the situation - NON OFFENDING. Making that deal with yourself, for society, and for yourself - it takes acceptance and peace with living with the firmware you are "cursed" with. That it's not a curse, and you aren't a mental patient. It's not going to change, and otherwise you can live a very normal and productive life. BUT YOU WON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF SEX LIFE. That is the deal. They can learn to develop adult relationships (and most pedos do, because barely any are exclusively pedophilic) - and have a sex life that way. So it CAN solve itself into a benign, nothingburger situation. Thus there is nothing to despise, hate, attack, or harm the pedophilic person for. Right? Unless we're literally going to get into thought crime. And if that's the case, ALL of society is going to be in a very very bad place by that point. Because anywhere humans tried that, countries went down in blood & war, as pure dystopic hellholes.
@@abandoned-mines-novascotia Attraction to children isn't a sexuality. There's also not evidence it's just how some people are born and even if there was evidence, some things are just dangerous left unchecked. You're not helping your cause, you're hurting someone else's. Conversion therapy is about forcing people who are of no danger to anyone to change who they are. Treating someone who is attracted to children, protects the children from people who might harm them. It's not about changing anyone's sexuality. Treatment, when someone could be harmed, reduces harm. And most importantly, shouldn't everyone want the children to be safe? If you care about the kids, help protect them from you by seeking help.
@@aweirdwombat The attraction to children is indeed a sexual proclivity. We can haggle all day over the words - sexuality, orientation, etc. It doesn't really matter. It BEHAVES like a steadfast attraction that cannot be successfully wiped away forever, via therapy. I compared it to Conversion Therapy, because that is essentially what the claim is, for people seeking therapy as a 'solution' for pedophiles. Aversion Therapy, or whatever you want to call it... it's all the same result. It's a complete failure. The vast vast vast amount of the time, there is no "success stories". It's almost as ridiculous as therapy trying to switch or change YOUR sexual proclivities. Deep down, there is just a very poor success rate in completely (or barely) erasing or replacing the firmware. It would be a great theory if it worked. Unfortunately, the sexual part of the brain rarely works that way, and you end up STILL having those desires - and they turn you on always - regardless of whatever they may be. "shouldn't everyone want the children to be safe?" Absolutely. And a non-offending pedophile IS "safe". It's best they are fully in touch and accepting of their proclivity, so that they can manage and maintain a deal with society and themselves - NON-OFFENSE. Just like an alcoholic accepts their proclivity, can openly talk about it if they need to, for support. They proactively stay away from situations of alcohol - and depending on their self-known "weakness to slip" - they behave accordingly. A whole spectrum from not drinking, to literally not going within a mile of alcoholic situations. Same goes for pedophiles who maintain a healthy life from their attractions. That is where we need to be on this issue.
@@aweirdwombat given that logic, we should just lock up all people who've been sexually molested as children. Even though the majority of them will never touch children, I think its pretty much accepted that most people who touch children were also sexually abused as children. Conversion therapy doesn't work. I think it's okay to acknowledge you have those thoughts and as long you're at no risk of offending, I think its fine to talk about those feelings. We all understand (in modern western society) for the most part that molesting kids is bad - so much so people are in fear of their life for even having these conversations about their thoughts. Mr. Girl almost got canceled like a dozen times for having these discussions even though its clear he beleives molesting children is wrong and he would never do it. I don't think we should be to afraid to explore ideas and it doesnt help anyone to pretend those thoughts don't exist.
@@abandoned-mines-novascotia As someone diagnosed w/ psychopathic behaviors, I feel like normalizing them would be a terrible idea. Yes, I think telling someone their feelings don't make them bad is a good thing, and I do believe most non offending pedophiles are safe, nice people just the same way most folk struggling with aspd or psychopathy are. That said, you can be fully in touch and accepting of your innate features while still attending therapy to manage them. Unlike homosexuality, stuff like pedophilia and psychopathy are dangerous in Any form of practice, for obvious reasons, and thus there has to be some level of stigma against the actions that leads people with these issues to therapy. Demonizing pedophiles and others who can't control the cards dealt in their lives is cruel and gross to me. We're all normal people, and I don't like viewing non offending pedophiles as any different from anyone else morally. However, there HAVE to be preventative efforts against possibilities of offense. Pedophiles do need to seek help, but they need to be welcomed by therapists and seen as perfectly fine people by their families. Same as the rest of us with issues that could harm others. That small level of stigma and concern helps US and THEM, too. Suggesting these thoughts are okay or normal leads to action. Suggesting these thoughts are bad and dangerous but don't make the person having them bad helps everyone involved.
I swear Mr girl will say anything to get attention. My estimation of his behaviour is that he wants to talk about his attraction to children, and that he will bring up any adjacent issue to do so. People shouldn't engage with him.
Yeah, I think that's the thing MrGirl keeps forgetting to voice. He has so thoroughly internalized the gap between thought and action and knows what connects them, that he forgets to remind others that he knows there is still a way that thought influences action and vice versa. What I think people need to emphasize is not so much the gap, as the way that gap is created: *critical* engagement with the content of thoughts and media.
@@mdh_masalewale8681 Sure, but the issue is that we can't do so *fully.* Thought and action are inextricably tied, even if not in the manner some people may assume. So the issue is more how to ensure thought doesn't led to the undesirable action, rather than just giving no check to thought.
@@farlado5459 yeah yeah, i really don't think he would disagree with you there. Thing is MrGirl is the only person who actually gave massive amounts of checks to his thoughts. In his cuties review, he was the only one who was brave enough to be 100% clear with his thoughts, that , let's be honest , went through a lot of people's heads who would never admit it. Compare that to everyone else who pretty much dismissed it the second they heard about it from their fav youtuber because being somewhat charitable to something that feels ped0philic is just too much disgust/virtue signal for most people to chew through (including me, I was like a MrGirl anti-fan but his debates with destiny did help me understand his perspective). Btw, MrGirl can be a ped0, i still think being this obsessed with ped0philia as a concept is a bit suspicious. But I like his ideas because they are logical, not because they are from him.
There's a difference between saying "oh that kids a cutie" and being like "oh that kids hot". Almost all adults find kids cute, but not all adults find kids hot
The internet is full of trolls who "ironically" put forward unacceptable views "just to trigger the libs" while unironically believing everything they are saying
I use these videos as a podcast when I'm not out so Hunter gets some ad rev I look at the video and man's is fucking slapping entire ass cheeks in Fortnite, fucking epic
I completely disagree with mrgirls idea that anorexia should not be stigmatized. It honestly needs to be stigmatized more so that anorexic folk (like me at one point) that it is not normal and that you should take actions to fix it. Most disabilities or ailments are stigmatized negatively but anorexia is fetishized and it honestly needs to lose that fetishization.
You dont need to stigmatize a mental illness to know that you should try to grow out of it. The argument you're making would go for depression, anxiety, etc as well. Stigmatization and encouragement aren't polar opposites. You can suggest that anorexia is bad and should be fixed without ostracizing the people affected by it.
@Blaze Hellfire What kind of analysis is that? Dude has a bad aura surrounding him. Like a drunk stepdad just waiting to punch his wife when she gets home.
Yea the way he speaks. Definitely. Every sane normal person would feel some form of disgust when someone talks about this movie and potential chomos He somehow always talks around and says “its normal to be aroused by a 12 year old twerking”…. Sick. No, everone irl would say the same fking thing to him. He thinks it’s an online phenomenon 😂.
I just found you and this Mr girl guy in Destiny's "white grievance" video. And this Mr girl really gets under my skin somehow, idk. He has a creepy vibe. He also seems like a guy who is terrible to hang out with.
I like that Hunter was more “gentle” with this debate, but this of all things to be calm about? I get it, I get it’s a touchy subject and yelling gets nowhere, but still…😅
I'm still hung up on Mr. Girl's instant change of tone once you got off the screen Hunter. Mr. Girl's behavior toward Carissa was completely unacceptable. It was instant aggression.
Does he know how creepy he comes off? It's meta but could be meta meta meta. Like he is a creep he just wants u to think it's all a joke but he really does like it
14:51 there shouldn’t be any less stigmatizing of pedos for the general public, but *only less in the medical field so people can seek help. Like sure, MAYBE we could be a bit less mean at times, and in those times instead; we try to help them seek help. But not too much less stigma, because it is inherently evil to act on pedophilic “urges”, regardless of if the pedo is mentally illl
From what I can tell, Mrgirl is damn near intentionally wording his stance in a way that only so many people will understand and it's fucking hilarious 🤣
24:20 Hunter we do not ever judge people on their morality on their thoughts. Do you know how many people have fantasized about murdering people? About everyone has at least once in their lifetimes but we understand the differences between a person's character not from thoughts but actions. Also I don't like comparing these two but in this case it's necessary. You can't help who you are attracted to if you are gay. Same for children. Now the commonality between the two are both of those thoughts are amoral. Now one of those can turn into an immoral situation if one decides to act on them because of the other party not being able to give consent and some other problems. Also there is a reason why therapy has never nor will ever work for pedophilia much like therapy never or could never work for homosexuality.
I think the main difference between being lgbt and pedophilia is that pedophilia leans more as a fetish rather than a sexuality. Of course you can't help what fetishes you have either. Being gay doesn't have a time limit. You can fall in love as a gay person but you can't fall in love as a pedophile. If you are gay and find other men attractive no matter what age they are and your attraction to them doesn't dissappear once they reach a certain age. Being a pedophile can't be a sexual orientation because a pedophiles attraction is purely based on age and once said kid gets over an age limit they no longer find that person attractive. In that sense they're more like a fetish because fetishes are purely sexual in nature with no romantic intentions.
@@TheMiels no he’s not playing a game. He’s a creep. There’s a difference between being edgy to push boundaries and making comments about dancing children turning you on…
28:39 bro, thinking about something to make a story/movie/song is not the same as fantasizing. if you are fantasizing about rape and murder thats fucked, unless he's trying to say "just thinking about it".
I'm pretty sure if you take a 8/10 13yo and dress her up scantly and teach her how to dance seductively a HUGE percentage of men will be at least slightly turned on by it. Maybe the issue is with the people teaching kids how to be sexually appealing rather than the standard physiology of humans.
I think what MrGirl means is that thoughts are not a crime or wrong. Fantasizing about killing someone once in a while does not make you a murderer just as fantasizing about a child once in a while is not wrong. A thought of fantasize can never be "bad/negative" by itself unless it is self-harm. This stigma related to thoughts makes it so that it is easier for people to be in denial about their sexual feelings and less aware about their feelings and makes it more difficult to manage your behaviour. Now, if you fantasize about children a lot, just as if you fantasize about killing a lot or about anything, it requires professional help. If you fantasize about something so much that your everyday life is impacted, you need professional help. I feel that the fear in these comments is that fantasizing about children will lead to child abuse, maybe? Our media culture producing violent and sexual content would need a major overhaul if thinking about things or fantasizing about things would make you do them.
I don't think this is real at all. No sane grown man will admit they find underage girls dancing and twerking attractive. If this real then the authorities need to chuck this guy intothe woodchipper.
So this guy is basically carbon copy walmart destiny. Used to be conservative, wants to decimate people in debates as a goal, religion background now not. The line "technically more agnostic" exactly how destiny replies to that question lmao
So Mr Girl said he will call someone the word if he doesn’t like them but then not even 2 minutes earlier he was whining about how the “stigmatizing” is bad lol hypocrite
Do they still do those child pageants in the US, where they dress up little girls like adults? That's really weird and seems to get a pass from a lot of conservatives, also the Catholic church gets an easy ride from conservatives when it comes to pedos. Conservatives are very selective when it comes to moral outrage.
Conservatives spit on these things as well. I don’t know what you’re talking about bro. Conservatives don’t send their children to cheerleading as well.
@@tharunsankar4926 yeah they do, they're sex obsessed weirdos, there's a republican senator who has just come out and said that "interracial marriage should never have been made legal", these people are living in a bigoted past. Conservatives are always concerning themselves with other people's lives, especially when it comes to sex and reproduction.
"Are you a p********?"
"Well... what do you mean?"
Oh boy, that's quite an intro.
Yup, and he breaks social norms on purpose - JUST for people like you.
Did you know he recently interviewed an ACTUAL pedophile for 2+ hours?
His whole arc is to 'break the current internet' and grow empathy between all spectrums of people.
Frankly, I wholeheartedly agree with his mission. Just by the look of this comment section - it's upsetting how much of a padded psych ward 95% of the people in here need. Just santimonious, judgey, moral supremacist schlock. Soooo many socially weak & feeble minds. Zero adult critical thinking... but Dunning-Kreuger they think the opposite. So many in here need to touch some grass and grow wayyyy up. These are adult conversations.
*Hunter did a fantastic job on counterpoint and volleying* I said so on this same interview posted on Mrgirl's channel. But the difference in comment sections is STAGGERING. It's really too bad. Serious adult analysis over on Mrgirl's comments... bellyaching and virtue signaling and purity testing here.
@@abandoned-mines-novascotia You gathered all of that from 3 lines of text?
@@Indyawillis85 Yup. Your sentiment is essentially mirrored by 1000 other comments here, so it's not difficult.
@@abandoned-mines-novascotia And what are my sentiments based on the one question I asked you?
@@Indyawillis85 The sentiment that Max didn't answer the pedophile question properly, or to one's liking, and thus one found that somewhat shocking.
anddddddd... thus my comment, responding to exactly that sentiment.
How is this hard?
Mr girl is pretty good at almost making a somewhat reasonable point then immediately fucking it up real bad and doubling down on it
and then the eerie vibes come back even stronger
@@witchflowers6942 it really is frustrating
"I'd say my prefered age of dating is around my age" 👍
"Except for my girlfriend who's 10 years younger than me." 😧👎👎👎
Omg yes. He almost catches then drops one it and then proceeds to just stomp on it
I think the comparison to stigmatizing while not stigmatizing too much would be something like STI's.
People shouldn't be stigmatized for having an STI, but they should be stigmatized for trying to spread it/pretending it's a good thing to have.
Mr. Girl is if the "well she's 13 but that's close enough to 14 and 14 is the new 15 and her birthday is soon anyways so she's more like 16 and 16 is legal in some places" meme was a person.
That's solid logic tho
@@xenos_n. it is solid logic! In fact, its so solid that when people bring it up they get arrested for being TOO smart!
No? He's not saying that, neither does he say he wants children (I hope), he acknowledges the ages of the kifd
@@xenos_n. it’s pedo logic
@@tunahan4418 well, my reply got removed for some reason, so I'll put it here as censor friendly as I can.
Quit defending him. Your just as guilty.
Not to mention he IS a (you know the word). Just because he say he isn't doesn't mean he isn't.
Also obviously he isn't exactly saying what I said. That's just a meme. He still said they were attractive.
Hunter has been the only person I've seen online saying, pre-pedos need to seek help and reduce the stigma.
I get call of sorts of names stating this online.
Dude is literally trying to get free therapy by doing debates
Bold move.
Men will literally debate Hunter instead of going to therapy
He’s debated Hunter, Vaush, and Destiny… He’s going all around the aisle man
😂
@@IanTheStarI think he “debated” Chud Logic too but that guy is a huge clown in his own right.
MrGirl: I am not a Pedophile
Also MrGirl: We should normalize being attracted to girls
You’re correct - heterosexuals should be stigmatized lmao 😂
(I know you mean young girls not just girls in general, this is a joke)
@Blaze Hellfire Hmmm... there is a 50/50 shot at this being a continuation of the irony... so.. if you're also kidding that's hilarious!
If not then either:
1. you think I want pedos to abuse children which I DON'T
or
2. you think I want to oppress straight people which I also don't wanna do lmao.
Either way, I thought I should clarify, have a nice day.
I believe that's the next thing to get legalized, follow by incest and beastiality. Anything that's abnormal to Christian values
@@jmcdrawer5031 are you serious? Countless Christians believe in child marriage, having 18 as the age of consent is part of the modern more secularized world. The states that still allow child marriage with parental consent are conservative states. Religious people in general are most likely to think that girls having their period means they are ready for sex because they relate it to nature and signals from God while secular people are more likely to base it off of consent and mental maturity. Which children and animals cannot give. Incest was another staple of religion if you look at royal bloodlines that proudly toted their branch of Christianity.
I mean girl could mean a young adult in which case is fine
That was a more productive conversation than I was expecting, and I can respect a guy for delving into the darker realities of our minds. But I still feel like he goes a bit far with his ideas.
I also feel like, if you're someone who has these destructive tendencies, and instead of acting on them you seek help for it; you deserve a lot of respect. Because in a sense, you're the only person protecting people from yourself.
Same with mass shooters, nobody will have an ounce of respect for you after you pull the trigger, but if you stop yourself before any harm is done and more importantly tell people you need help; you're kinda doing an act of heroism.
Reminds me of Aaron stark. Best ted talk ever.
I think having an open conversation about this no matter how uncomfortable is important. I believe that people who have pedophilia urges should be treated with mental health services, Instead of saying they should all be in prison.
But I don't even know if this guy is joking or honestly serious.. (Nope, he needs help.)
I've tried to explain this to so many people. But I just get called a pedophile.
You are totally correct. From a harm reduction point of view prison and punitive punishment are way less effective at reducing the number of children being hurt than good quality psychological interventions. But the truble is people like this guy make that argument so hard to get across by pretending to say the same thing before twisting it into full on apologia. People have heard guys like this so many times whenever they hear the start of the argument they just assume it will end up like this. I don't know how we can get past that.
@@WhichDoctor1 It's actually because most people have emotional knee-jerks toward the idea of things they consider morally wrong, because they don't have reasoned ethical systems outside *of* intuitive feelings. So they feel that just having the conversation is itself bad because the very concept is intuitively "wrong" or "tainted", and they think that if you have to ask questions to arrive at ethical positions instead of "just knowing" what's "naturally" (read: Based on their feelings, which are themselves biased by societal conditioning) right or wrong, it's a sign of being less than 100% against the "evil thing" and therefore harboring some sympathies for said "evil thing".
It's nothing more than reactionary thinking and the politics of thoughtcrime.
@@FelisImpurrator What about the people that were actually effected by this though? Not everyone is a reactionary knee jerker as you claim to say. Like I understand that we need to have more conversations like this as just closing it yo and not talking about it at all will not solve anything however whether the response is good or bad to this at least its somewhat of a start. Now the problem and issue I have with this situation is that I've been seeing alot of pedophiles lately saying that therapy is "conversion therapy", which if you ask me is a ridiculous response from some pedophiles. Now I'm not against pedophiles getting help. They should get the help that they need to reduce the urges but I just find the whole situation so funny now because I'm seeing quite few to some pedophiles saying that therapy is conversion therapy whenever there's a chance of just someone saying that therapy when pedophilia is involved especially when Hunter says it I'm starting to feel like there some pedophiles who deceptively use the term "conversion therapy" and swap out such term for therapy as a buzzword for something extremely bad which honestly I find that ridiculous when years ago pedophiles werw litteraly begging to seek out help and now some ate claiming for it to be conversion therapy. Not all but some. Also there was guy who was a map who came on to Hunters stream about pedophilia being a sexaul orientation or whatever have you thinking as well that therapy, regular therapy is also conversion therapy. I think when it comes to pedophiles in general we have to be careful what it is exactly that we are trying to do here because it can cause irreversible harm and damage to children and we as society don't want to push the message that being a Pedophile is more OK or that's its good. It's very weird how Mrgirl and so many other pedophiles assume that we sayinbg we are shaming them when that's not case at all. In fact we are saying the we just want certain level of stigmatation to be removed that is just the case. It's kind of liketellinf a fat person that they are un healthy and that fat people shouldn't push the idea of fat acceptance but we aren't bullying them or sing them we are just telling them that the condition they are living in is simply just not healthy at all. The same can be said about pedophilia. Mrgirl is a recklus irresponsible delusional fool. Who thinks he can just live by the road with risk not have to suffer any consequences that come with it. He is extremely delusional by the way speaks and completely backwards with his way of thinking its laughable. I just hope we know exactly what we're doing when dealing with such sensitive topics like this because it can set us in the wrong path in society. Yeah sorry for the long comments.
Everyone who acts on it should be burned at the stake.
Mr. Girl: "I'm not a pedo"
Also him: "I'll think about having 14-year-old girls twerk for me in front of a camera."
"masturbation is thinking with your hands" 😂
"Running someone over is telling them to get out of the way with your car" 💀
I think really what this boils down to is we really need to stop sexualising underage girls. What leads to things like pedophilia being normalised is the way youth is fetishised. The fact that child brides are still a thing in this day and age or child beauty pageants. That's the kind of thing that needs to stop. Cuties should never have been made.
Mr. Girl doesn't just want to destigmatise pedophiles getting help. He wants pedophilia to be accepted as as a sexuality. Which it isn't. He's comparing his Cuties review to a straight guy saying Captain America's ass is hot. That's not the same thing at all. Chris Evans is an adult. Children cannot give consent, that's why we have age of consent laws.
There is a very, very good reason why people have such extreme reactions to pedophilia and child abuse and as much as he says there's a "witch hunt", honestly more could be done to protect children. Lots of very powerful and wealthy people abuse children everyday through sex trafficking and grooming. The Catholic Church STILL abuses children to this day and has power despite being exposed IN THE 90'S.
Yes, there are more nuanced discussions to be had and of course not everyone with an attraction to children is an abuser. So of course I'm all for encourage those with that affliction to seek help without judgement. But what Mr. Girl is advocating for is complete acceptance of everyone's "preferences" and equating pedophillic individuals to those in the LGBTQ community which is just plain false equivalency.
Yup, this guy is full mask off and is saying such absurd things in order to get this kind of sexualization to be more normalized and accepted.
yes completely agreed. a mod kept getting upset with me for saying negative things about him.. personally i think if you learn from this guy then okay i guess that’s fine but in my opinion there are plenty of people who can teach this subject and the nuance whatever, who don’t Also say nasty things and promote harmful behavior. in my opinion considering what he does this mrgirl isn’t good for anything and i don’t know why anyone is talking to him.
Just because being a pfile doesn’t sound good doesn’t mean it isn’t a sexuality. Not all sexualities are good
@@truthteller2711 No. It isn't. It's classed as a paraphilia. Not a sexual orientation.
He’s a mossad asset
Not instantly replying no to the question “are you a pedophile?” Is probably the biggest red flag i have heard in my life.
I'd instantly reply with "NO!"
As any normal person.
How very brave of you. You are morally righteous and are therefore a good person.
YES
HAHAHA I love how so many on here just don't understand or know Max yet. His pedo arc is a very distinct intellectual adventure that brings to light a ton of concepts in what he explores in his content. Underlying all of this is his main foundation: Empathy. Our worst demon? In this society, pedophiles. So he uses that arc/trigger to be the bookend of one end of a spectrum. He could have also used Nazis. Anyway - your comment on "instantly replying" is exactly one of the analyses he does - 'performative rage' ... you're a textbook case on how everybody has been socially trained to act, to quickly signal virtue. Think about not being a pedophile - and NOT CARING if some people don't like your cues, or lack of instant responses... or may even thus suspect you are a pedophile. Think about that. Actually, factually, reality... NOT being a pedophile. Part of his arcs/content is the analysis of why it's such a socially taboo reaction built into people that is so significant. Reeeee! NO I'm not a pedo. Reeeee! NO I'm not a Nazi. See... Max doesn't care what people think. So he gets to relax on a whole other level, and let his actions/ideas be the his truth. He often doesn't answer "the question" immediately or directly... and I LOVE people's reactions LOL
I think MrGirl's hesitation is what seals his honesty for me. He's not the person to summarily reject that he is something, and will give thought to whether he could be brought to do something or be something. The question shouldn't be "are you a pedophile?" but "is there anything you know of which would bring you to be a pedophile?"
“You found the minors attractive”
“Yeah, so?”
Lost it LMFAOOOO
This is why I don’t like mr.girl, “I’m not hear to morally grandstand” 2 seconds later “you guys that don’t like pedos are really rude, also let me dodge this am I a pedo question”
I didn’t make it to the livestream, I can’t even fathom what kind of insane takes MrGirl is going to have this time
@@joewesterland5697 His “I would talk Hitler out of doing the Holocaust” and his thoughts on young girls come to mind as being pretty insane
Man this guy creeps me out and also makes me want to make sure my kid never meets someone like this. If you don't firmly stand against the abuse of children then you are part of the problem.
He's not creepy, he's just worthless simple as that
It’s videos like this where I realize it’s been a while since I’ve touched grass
You went way too leniant on him tbh. He literally dropped that it is apparently normal to be aroused by a 12 year old twerking and in an irl academic setting everyone would agree, except for the online world. The delusions are crazy. I would have called him out like 10 minutes in or at the latest when he said irl people would be like „“yeaaathat 12yo girl twerking would get most straight guys get hard“ like
Whaaaaat wtf
I get a feeling this dude isn't real. He knows this pdf file thing is a super hot button issue that makes people crazy. It's even more controversial than race/racism issues and so he's using it to position himself into online debate communities. It's kinda clever if you're willing to take loads of hate and death threats.
It's funny he mentions tiktok...it's a For You Page for a reason. The algorithm knows what you want to see, based off what you interact with.
Of course he's going to be seeing the preteen/teenage girls, because that's what he likes and the algorithm knows that.
While yes, technology has made it a lot easier for adults to groom kids, it's the responsibility of the adult to know not to fucking do that shit 😭
Idk, the first time I even opened up TikTok my fyp was littered with the e-girls. It took like a week of me hitting not interested to fix it,.lmao
This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Literally every time I turn on tiktok I have to scroll through dozens of teeny bop bullshit before I get to anything related to my searches, follows, or liked categories. Maybe 3 gaming things pop up, then a dozen more teeny boppers
how does this comment has 35 likes, what a deranged person
Doesn’t that prove his point? That tik tok is directing pedophiles to provocative content of kids? Seems like tik tok is putting kids in harms way to me
@@MetalxLicaxPP I've heard that this will happen especially if TikToks algorithm decides you are a male
He mentions having an adult girlfriend.. is she comfortable knowing he watched a movie and found the children 'hot'??
If my fiance told me he felt sexual attraction to kids, I would urge him to get help, but I honestly wouldn't be able to continue the relationship.
Then you misunderstood the point of him saying that
@@gnomebody2371 That’s still Paedophilic
I'm not gonna lie, this guy gives me the creeps man. He dances around a lot and his "debate" with Lauren Southern was very telling.
How'd that one go? I only saw the batshit one he tried to do with Vaush
dude i could have a better convo with hunter avallone about potential solutions to paedophillia and the harm it causes than mr girl. His presentation is genuinely skin crawling and he seems to not be willing to say anything concrete
@Blaze Hellfire its mrgirl. The man who REFUSES to take a stand on nearly any position
ngl, I really liked this conversation. You guys were quite respectful to each other
Mr girl becoming way too relevant 😭
Not relevant enough yet. Sadly I think he never will be.
@@JohnDoe-kn7ex he better not .... degenerates
I actually hope he disappears for like ever...
Alright, I'm happy with the statements MrGirl makes around 30:00. Full-throated declarations against adult-child intimate contact: finally.
He’s said it a ton before in his own content, he’s just usually standoffish about performatively doing it every time he talks to a new streamer or content creator because he knows if the person he was talking to really thought he was a p******** they wouldn’t be talking to him and that it’s just a ritual to calm down the feral and bloodthirsty audience
Did we really need him to say it aloud. I'm pretty sure the pedo enjoys playing "hide the ball" with how he actually feels. Its a game to him.
@@caad5258 HAHAHA I love how so many on here just don't understand or know Max yet. His pedo arc is a very distinct intellectual adventure that brings to light a ton of concepts in what he explores in his content. Underlying all of this is his main foundation: Empathy. Our worst demon? In this society, pedophiles. So he uses that arc/trigger to be the bookend of one end of a spectrum. He could have also used Nazis.
No, Max isn't a pedophile, dummy. LOL Take a moment... Think about not being a pedophile, and NOT CARING if some people don't like your cues, or lack of instant responses... or may even thus suspect you ARE a pedophile. Think about that. I repeat: actually, factually, reality... NOT being a pedophile. Would you care? Should you care? Remember - you're not a pedo. Sooooo?
Part of his arcs/content is the analysis of why it's such a notably significant socially taboo reaction built into people. Reeeee! NO I'm not a pedo. Reeeee! NO I'm not a Nazi. When the vast majority of people are not, we all know that, and yet? We still do the dance. And boy, do we Riverdance that motherfucker LOL See... Max doesn't care what people think. So he gets to relax on a whole other level, and let his actions/ideas be his truth. He OFTEN doesn't answer "the question" immediately or directly... and I LOVE people's reactions LOL
@@abandoned-mines-novascotia Just breathe air or touch grass or something
@@pieppy6058 yep, and they did/do. It’s all performative
This guy has been creepy as fuck in every debate so far, why do liberals keep propping him up as a worthwhile conversationalist? He’s doubled subscribers through this crap.
Because he’s a super interesting person with a unique approach that adds value to the discourse he engages with
Because Destiny likes him
@@arthurporter131 It's interesting to pretend to be a pedo?
@@arthurporter131 Mr. girl simp spotted
He's a repulsive person but he shouldn't be allowed an echo chamber; his fans should have the chance to see how his behavior doesnt hold up to scrutiny
Love from germany! Herr hunter, one question, what are your thoughts on the SPD, I know its foreign politics to you but from your knowledge what are your thoughts
I know you didn’t ask me but personally I view them somewhat favorably. They’re a bit too left for my taste but I like them. I however am more of an FDP enjoyer though
@@Chris-kq1wm the question goes put to everyone! I'd like to see more interaction with the whole community!
I think there not terrible personally, but I’m more a fan of the greens
Ey, ein Brudi! Mir ist die SPD persönlich nicht links genug, aber Leute wie Kühnert machen schon einen guten Job.
I am a huge fan of all German political parties, especially the socialist ones.
Love u Hunter! U did great in this one. Very interesting topic too
20:59 the fact that mrgirl is so convinced that it’s not only reasonable, but NORMAL to be attracted to 11 & 12 year olds twerking, *only further proves that he and other Oreos indeed DO need help*
Ok so from my understanding, Hunter is saying pedophiles might not see how their attraction is wrong and people should express the wrongness of that when those feelings are shared. That’s a good point. The other guy is saying(I think) that attacking or harassing those people can push them to ignore or push aside those feelings in unhealthy ways, or try to reject that they have that problem, without seeking help. In the same way that men are taught to repress certain emotions by social stigma.
And from my understanding i think this Mrgirl should stop doing whatever the shit he is doing and get a FUCKING THERAPY. He is asking people to accept dark urges and basically embrace them. Its not okay to supress certain urges but when you fucking know that these urges may lead to hurting of other people (well kids in case of pedophiles) then you should try to get some help ASAP and NOT try to normalise these urges by talking about "people should be their real selves" or whatever the BS Mrgirl talks about
Ain't this the dude who said he found that one movie on Netflix "cuties",arousing? Im PRETTY SURE he said that he found it arousing.
Think you are correct
Yes and he admits to that in this interview again
Yes he did say “it does a pretty good job in terms of sexy music videos getting aroused, at least to me, your mileage may vary”
He is 100% one of those MAP pride people.
The way he speaks and phrases it.
The above sentencr could be phrased as such “they have a lot of sexy music videos in the movie which is supposed to arouse people/pdfs/etc.” and it would be fine as it is factual correct. But nope. He made it about himself. That HE HINSELF got hard off it.
And no that’s not normal as a straight guy. I would never get aroused by all this provocative imagery in the movie.
Notice how Hunter points out what he said about finding children hot is creepy and he immediately talks about discord?
If someone gets off on on a show called cuties, that is them being on a dangerous path to do harm to kids if they don’t seek therapy nor the way to suppress their thoughts. It’s not just self harm, that path. This guy is selfish by thinking only about the person with thoughts of children and not the children that can be the potential victim. I mean does this guy think it won’t be past self-harm until they act? Then all the past thoughts that lead to that action are harmful to themselves AS WELL as the victims
Not statistically. Usually child-harmers are family or relatives
@@bastmode882 maybe? I don't know. I know he doesn't talk to his parents.
As a Society we need to stand up and say "unacceptable" together to the idea of children of any gender being sexualized in media of any kind. If a person feels attracted to a child who hasn't gone through puberty yet for any reason they have a mental illness that, if not treated, will only get worse. You just can't do it. You can't do it. Period.
Man, the Mr Girl arc was wild.
This MrGirl guy is a plant. He’s a master manipulator and great at communicating by the tone and cadence of his voice. It’s very mellow and hypnotic, I recognize this tonality and inflection with Sam Harris as well.
Interesting explanation 🤔, never thought of him that way
Yeah Sam always sounding exactly like the not creepy version of that one genuinely good at debates Christian Apologist dude always helped him.
i think that in this case i feel theres has to be a certain level of stigma, like lets say im a pedophile and i see online several ppl saying me that is okay that i have this thoughts and that i should be in touch with those feelings i feel that would make me believe that is okay to have this thoughts and enact them because that plays into a certain level of normalization insted of someone like hunter saying oh hey i know you have this thoughts and you arent a monster because you have them but you should seek therapy for you to not harm any child i think i would listen better to someone that is just telling me that my thoughts are bad and seek help instead of someone telling me that is okay to have them and be in touch with them
Yeah, but what you are describing is essentially Conversion Therapy. It doesn't work. Can you turn a gay man straight, through therapy? Sexual proclivity is a DEEP DEEP unknown embedded into the psyche. It's been proven time & time again, that by the time you are an adult - your particular sexual firmware is pretty much fixated for the rest of your life. Not much is going to change. It's never been successful. All your likes, kinks, preferences, etc. Pretty fundamental stuff. *So yes - the point is to be settled on the desires you have - because it's a mental health hellscape if you think you're going to change it, and it just won't* So why make having the curse of an IRL-illegal sexuality even worse? The goal is making peace with, and knowing that you have that firmware - not that your thoughts are bad and you need mental health intervention - like some mental patient. Pedophiles are otherwise completely normal and functional and succesful people, psychologically. It is INDEED OK to have ANY thought. Sawing somebody in half with a chainsaw. Fucking your best friend's wife. And yes, sex with young people. Animals. Whatever. They are thoughts. Nobody has a right to your mind. If all that shit stays there - it harms nobody. ACTIONS harm. So we get to the crux of the situation - NON OFFENDING. Making that deal with yourself, for society, and for yourself - it takes acceptance and peace with living with the firmware you are "cursed" with. That it's not a curse, and you aren't a mental patient. It's not going to change, and otherwise you can live a very normal and productive life. BUT YOU WON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF SEX LIFE. That is the deal. They can learn to develop adult relationships (and most pedos do, because barely any are exclusively pedophilic) - and have a sex life that way. So it CAN solve itself into a benign, nothingburger situation. Thus there is nothing to despise, hate, attack, or harm the pedophilic person for. Right? Unless we're literally going to get into thought crime. And if that's the case, ALL of society is going to be in a very very bad place by that point. Because anywhere humans tried that, countries went down in blood & war, as pure dystopic hellholes.
@@abandoned-mines-novascotia Attraction to children isn't a sexuality. There's also not evidence it's just how some people are born and even if there was evidence, some things are just dangerous left unchecked. You're not helping your cause, you're hurting someone else's. Conversion therapy is about forcing people who are of no danger to anyone to change who they are. Treating someone who is attracted to children, protects the children from people who might harm them. It's not about changing anyone's sexuality. Treatment, when someone could be harmed, reduces harm. And most importantly, shouldn't everyone want the children to be safe? If you care about the kids, help protect them from you by seeking help.
@@aweirdwombat The attraction to children is indeed a sexual proclivity. We can haggle all day over the words - sexuality, orientation, etc. It doesn't really matter. It BEHAVES like a steadfast attraction that cannot be successfully wiped away forever, via therapy. I compared it to Conversion Therapy, because that is essentially what the claim is, for people seeking therapy as a 'solution' for pedophiles. Aversion Therapy, or whatever you want to call it... it's all the same result. It's a complete failure. The vast vast vast amount of the time, there is no "success stories". It's almost as ridiculous as therapy trying to switch or change YOUR sexual proclivities. Deep down, there is just a very poor success rate in completely (or barely) erasing or replacing the firmware. It would be a great theory if it worked. Unfortunately, the sexual part of the brain rarely works that way, and you end up STILL having those desires - and they turn you on always - regardless of whatever they may be.
"shouldn't everyone want the children to be safe?" Absolutely. And a non-offending pedophile IS "safe". It's best they are fully in touch and accepting of their proclivity, so that they can manage and maintain a deal with society and themselves - NON-OFFENSE. Just like an alcoholic accepts their proclivity, can openly talk about it if they need to, for support. They proactively stay away from situations of alcohol - and depending on their self-known "weakness to slip" - they behave accordingly. A whole spectrum from not drinking, to literally not going within a mile of alcoholic situations. Same goes for pedophiles who maintain a healthy life from their attractions. That is where we need to be on this issue.
@@aweirdwombat given that logic, we should just lock up all people who've been sexually molested as children. Even though the majority of them will never touch children, I think its pretty much accepted that most people who touch children were also sexually abused as children.
Conversion therapy doesn't work. I think it's okay to acknowledge you have those thoughts and as long you're at no risk of offending, I think its fine to talk about those feelings. We all understand (in modern western society) for the most part that molesting kids is bad - so much so people are in fear of their life for even having these conversations about their thoughts.
Mr. Girl almost got canceled like a dozen times for having these discussions even though its clear he beleives molesting children is wrong and he would never do it. I don't think we should be to afraid to explore ideas and it doesnt help anyone to pretend those thoughts don't exist.
@@abandoned-mines-novascotia As someone diagnosed w/ psychopathic behaviors, I feel like normalizing them would be a terrible idea. Yes, I think telling someone their feelings don't make them bad is a good thing, and I do believe most non offending pedophiles are safe, nice people just the same way most folk struggling with aspd or psychopathy are. That said, you can be fully in touch and accepting of your innate features while still attending therapy to manage them. Unlike homosexuality, stuff like pedophilia and psychopathy are dangerous in Any form of practice, for obvious reasons, and thus there has to be some level of stigma against the actions that leads people with these issues to therapy.
Demonizing pedophiles and others who can't control the cards dealt in their lives is cruel and gross to me. We're all normal people, and I don't like viewing non offending pedophiles as any different from anyone else morally. However, there HAVE to be preventative efforts against possibilities of offense.
Pedophiles do need to seek help, but they need to be welcomed by therapists and seen as perfectly fine people by their families. Same as the rest of us with issues that could harm others. That small level of stigma and concern helps US and THEM, too. Suggesting these thoughts are okay or normal leads to action. Suggesting these thoughts are bad and dangerous but don't make the person having them bad helps everyone involved.
The answer to the question are you a peee dough shouldn’t be: what do you mean by that?
I kinda get his point of view but thought could led to action if not careful.
I swear Mr girl will say anything to get attention. My estimation of his behaviour is that he wants to talk about his attraction to children, and that he will bring up any adjacent issue to do so. People shouldn't engage with him.
Yeah, I think that's the thing MrGirl keeps forgetting to voice. He has so thoroughly internalized the gap between thought and action and knows what connects them, that he forgets to remind others that he knows there is still a way that thought influences action and vice versa. What I think people need to emphasize is not so much the gap, as the way that gap is created: *critical* engagement with the content of thoughts and media.
...his entire point is to separate the thought from action..
@@mdh_masalewale8681 Sure, but the issue is that we can't do so *fully.* Thought and action are inextricably tied, even if not in the manner some people may assume. So the issue is more how to ensure thought doesn't led to the undesirable action, rather than just giving no check to thought.
@@farlado5459 yeah yeah, i really don't think he would disagree with you there. Thing is MrGirl is the only person who actually gave massive amounts of checks to his thoughts. In his cuties review, he was the only one who was brave enough to be 100% clear with his thoughts, that , let's be honest , went through a lot of people's heads who would never admit it.
Compare that to everyone else who pretty much dismissed it the second they heard about it from their fav youtuber because being somewhat charitable to something that feels ped0philic is just too much disgust/virtue signal for most people to chew through (including me, I was like a MrGirl anti-fan but his debates with destiny did help me understand his perspective).
Btw, MrGirl can be a ped0, i still think being this obsessed with ped0philia as a concept is a bit suspicious. But I like his ideas because they are logical, not because they are from him.
There's a difference between saying "oh that kids a cutie" and being like "oh that kids hot". Almost all adults find kids cute, but not all adults find kids hot
Mr girl background game is weak bruh
I'm gonna get three buckets. Just in case of i need to throw up everytime Mr Girl says "Hot".
May need more than 3 mate
@@randomperson-ko1fr nah mate. If three buckets are filled. Ill go get a gun
@@RickyFSeiei 😆
Is this guy not a troll?
If he was a troll, i would still creep out by his determination to be commited to those kind of stuff
The internet is full of trolls who "ironically" put forward unacceptable views "just to trigger the libs" while unironically believing everything they are saying
If you’re constantly defending racism, at what point would it be safe to assume you’re probably racist too?
Pedophilia it self alone morally disgusting and wrong
They can’t help it aarab
It’s crazy it really does not matter what part of his back log of me girl video you go to every single one is just creepy and cringe it’s wild
I use these videos as a podcast when I'm not out so Hunter gets some ad rev
I look at the video and man's is fucking slapping entire ass cheeks in Fortnite, fucking epic
He said his girlfriends ten years younger right? So assuming he’s 30 then that’s fine
Then I’m hoping he didn’t date her a decade and two years ago because she’d be around fourteen
It’s still your choice to go talk to children, you was given a platform, not the children who follows you to be groomed. it’s up to what you wanna do
Nice profile pic
Nice profile pic
I 100% agree with the points you made Hunter.
I completely disagree with mrgirls idea that anorexia should not be stigmatized. It honestly needs to be stigmatized more so that anorexic folk (like me at one point) that it is not normal and that you should take actions to fix it. Most disabilities or ailments are stigmatized negatively but anorexia is fetishized and it honestly needs to lose that fetishization.
You dont need to stigmatize a mental illness to know that you should try to grow out of it. The argument you're making would go for depression, anxiety, etc as well. Stigmatization and encouragement aren't polar opposites. You can suggest that anorexia is bad and should be fixed without ostracizing the people affected by it.
i think you might be using the word stigmatize incorrectly
oh man this guy is bad vibes
Mr Girl needs to be on so many watch lists. Pls never let this man near children istg.
Why?
@@extremelynormalperson Why do you think lol?
@@tari8134 I think lol therefore I am lol
You playing Fortnite while debating? You on a different level. 😎
He always gives me a bad vibe when he’s around.
@Blaze Hellfire What kind of analysis is that? Dude has a bad aura surrounding him. Like a drunk stepdad just waiting to punch his wife when she gets home.
@Blaze Hellfire you're logic is literally " I know what you are but what am I?" Childish and simple minded, go to sleep 😴
Yea the way he speaks. Definitely. Every sane normal person would feel some form of disgust when someone talks about this movie and potential chomos
He somehow always talks around and says “its normal to be aroused by a 12 year old twerking”…. Sick. No, everone irl would say the same fking thing to him. He thinks it’s an online phenomenon 😂.
I just found you and this Mr girl guy in Destiny's "white grievance" video. And this Mr girl really gets under my skin somehow, idk. He has a creepy vibe. He also seems like a guy who is terrible to hang out with.
I like that Hunter was more “gentle” with this debate, but this of all things to be calm about? I get it, I get it’s a touchy subject and yelling gets nowhere, but still…😅
7:07 .... wow... well that was a sentence...
He became what he once sought to destroy
25:55 wow. Great. Comparing pedophilia to anorexia. Pedophilia is vile. Stop acting this way
Turn off the video setting, and then Hunter's new "mustache" can't hurt you anymore 😂
I'm still hung up on Mr. Girl's instant change of tone once you got off the screen Hunter. Mr. Girl's behavior toward Carissa was completely unacceptable. It was instant aggression.
Yeah but thankfully she handled it well
@@hadookin47 That she did
When did that happen in the video?
@@alexcrazyart6522 I watched this Live so I don't know if Carissa's debate is in this video or not.
what happened?
I just realized this man is playing fortnite while debating him 💀, I think this is the first time I see hunter do this, nice debate btw
Mr Gurl is a shock jock not worthy of his attention.
My dude, when your answer to that first question is what do you mean and not denial of the accusation, that's super creepy.
okay, even if hes by some stretch on a massive troll train for some joke, the distance hes going it ridiculous XD throw that dude in prison
This dude literally needs to stop talking. He's only making this worse for himself. JFC
00:57 Hunter, You lookin fine girl!
I have a bad feeling that this man is going to harm children one day, genuinely. It's terrifying.
is he on an FBI watch list already?
That's a ridiculous assumption--"eventually". I'm pretty certain he already has and currently is harming children.
Hunter's mustache does scream MAP but I dont like to accuse people without strong evidence
@@markharrison6498 if I had evidence of pedophelia, I would be contacting the police instead of posting on comments.
@@kevinligutom6994 what are you getting triggered about?
Does he know how creepy he comes off? It's meta but could be meta meta meta. Like he is a creep he just wants u to think it's all a joke but he really does like it
Someone should probably check Mr Girls basement.......NOW
14:51 there shouldn’t be any less stigmatizing of pedos for the general public, but *only less in the medical field so people can seek help. Like sure, MAYBE we could be a bit less mean at times, and in those times instead; we try to help them seek help. But not too much less stigma, because it is inherently evil to act on pedophilic “urges”, regardless of if the pedo is mentally illl
From what I can tell, Mrgirl is damn near intentionally wording his stance in a way that only so many people will understand and it's fucking hilarious 🤣
44:07 DUDE EVEN DOING THAT ONCE IS TOO MANY. WTH!!!! ITS FINE FOR TWICE A DAY ACCORDING TO HIM? NOT EVEN JUST ONCE DAILY BUT TWICE?!?!?!
24:20 Hunter we do not ever judge people on their morality on their thoughts. Do you know how many people have fantasized about murdering people? About everyone has at least once in their lifetimes but we understand the differences between a person's character not from thoughts but actions. Also I don't like comparing these two but in this case it's necessary. You can't help who you are attracted to if you are gay. Same for children. Now the commonality between the two are both of those thoughts are amoral. Now one of those can turn into an immoral situation if one decides to act on them because of the other party not being able to give consent and some other problems. Also there is a reason why therapy has never nor will ever work for pedophilia much like therapy never or could never work for homosexuality.
I think the main difference between being lgbt and pedophilia is that pedophilia leans more as a fetish rather than a sexuality. Of course you can't help what fetishes you have either. Being gay doesn't have a time limit. You can fall in love as a gay person but you can't fall in love as a pedophile. If you are gay and find other men attractive no matter what age they are and your attraction to them doesn't dissappear once they reach a certain age. Being a pedophile can't be a sexual orientation because a pedophiles attraction is purely based on age and once said kid gets over an age limit they no longer find that person attractive. In that sense they're more like a fetish because fetishes are purely sexual in nature with no romantic intentions.
@@trashpanda3544 some say as they grew the age of who they're attracted to remained the same
I think it depends. Certain places, your mind shouldn't take you.
This guy doesn’t do himself any favours. He talks in such a creepy way like he’s playing a game 😂
Not trying to be derogatory but he presents himself like a psychopath.
He is playing a game, seeing how honest he can be without getting banned
@@TheMiels he did get banned from Twitch lol
@@TheMiels no he’s not playing a game. He’s a creep. There’s a difference between being edgy to push boundaries and making comments about dancing children turning you on…
He should have just said those girls are portrayed in a way that PEOPLE / YOU. Are supposed to think they are hot.
Then he would have been fine.
Instead he said oh yea or does a good job of making me hard 😂🤦🏻♂️
28:39 bro, thinking about something to make a story/movie/song is not the same as fantasizing. if you are fantasizing about rape and murder thats fucked, unless he's trying to say "just thinking about it".
Damn, Hunter's cracked at Fortnite
I'm pretty sure if you take a 8/10 13yo and dress her up scantly and teach her how to dance seductively a HUGE percentage of men will be at least slightly turned on by it.
Maybe the issue is with the people teaching kids how to be sexually appealing rather than the standard physiology of humans.
Normal people world respond "wow, you look pretty". Weirdos would find it attractive
I think what MrGirl means is that thoughts are not a crime or wrong. Fantasizing about killing someone once in a while does not make you a murderer just as fantasizing about a child once in a while is not wrong. A thought of fantasize can never be "bad/negative" by itself unless it is self-harm.
This stigma related to thoughts makes it so that it is easier for people to be in denial about their sexual feelings and less aware about their feelings and makes it more difficult to manage your behaviour.
Now, if you fantasize about children a lot, just as if you fantasize about killing a lot or about anything, it requires professional help. If you fantasize about something so much that your everyday life is impacted, you need professional help.
I feel that the fear in these comments is that fantasizing about children will lead to child abuse, maybe? Our media culture producing violent and sexual content would need a major overhaul if thinking about things or fantasizing about things would make you do them.
It's not a crime but it can be wrong
Poor guy I'm a hard right teller.. Now he's a hard left truth teller. He's just shallow and confused.
Major creep vibes from this guy
I don't think this is real at all. No sane grown man will admit they find underage girls dancing and twerking attractive. If this real then the authorities need to chuck this guy intothe woodchipper.
So this guy is basically carbon copy walmart destiny.
Used to be conservative, wants to decimate people in debates as a goal, religion background now not. The line "technically more agnostic" exactly how destiny replies to that question lmao
I liked the latter half of this. It was just- a normal and nice conversation. The shit on fatherhood right towards the end was kinda wholesome
Does Mrgirl have a single video or debate that doesn’t talk about little girls?
This guy is killing my brain cells
@Blaze Hellfire no offense taken considering u look the way do
@Blaze Hellfire also to be fair about my comment I posted that before the video chilled out the cutie stuff was legit the dumbest shit
@Blaze Hellfire hey be nice! You already admitted the man has no brain cells, you're just beating on a mentally incapable person at this point
Mr Boy, the famous: "me me me me me, everything me"
17:38 you’re thoughts and feeling are Invalid, and you do not deserve the ability to voice those feelings, that’s vile.
19:20 LMAO WHAT? NO ITS NOT NORMAL. GET HELP
19:45 A 12-14 YEAR OLD IS NOT NORMAL TO BE AROUSED BY
Holy shit its the cuties guy
He deflects so much...
Maybe.
Maybe he just hates the sideways manner in which people ask questions.
Just starting video btw lol
Oh, this will be good content.
Honestly you need to take this video down. There’s nobody that become anti pedo based on this vid, this is harmful platforming
So Mr Girl said he will call someone the word if he doesn’t like them but then not even 2 minutes earlier he was whining about how the “stigmatizing” is bad lol hypocrite
I actually hate how much charity hunter gave
Do they still do those child pageants in the US, where they dress up little girls like adults?
That's really weird and seems to get a pass from a lot of conservatives, also the Catholic church gets an easy ride from conservatives when it comes to pedos.
Conservatives are very selective when it comes to moral outrage.
Conservatives spit on these things as well. I don’t know what you’re talking about bro. Conservatives don’t send their children to cheerleading as well.
@@tharunsankar4926 yeah they do, they're sex obsessed weirdos, there's a republican senator who has just come out and said that "interracial marriage should never have been made legal", these people are living in a bigoted past.
Conservatives are always concerning themselves with other people's lives, especially when it comes to sex and reproduction.
@@tharunsankar4926 sorry, I forgot this was Hunter Avallone's channel.
13:50 there SHOULD be a stigma lmao. WTH IS WRONG WITH THIS GUY!?!?
Chat is pretty histrionic, lol.