So trying to rank them mostly by shape, but giving a nod to mice with better tech and features or lower weight. The Bolt has a really good shape, I think even better than the NP-01S, so that's why it gets the nod. It's similar to the MM710, while technically not as good as other mice, the shape was one of the best for aim for me. Razer Viper Mini still ranked pretty high because of that too, despite being wired. So many great mice, it's hard to get the list perfect or really consistent, they're all good in different ways and suit different people, which is why I generally say ignore the number and find what has the right features for you, but at the same time, looking over the list, it looks pretty good. A few more tweaks and I think we're there. The problem now is I gotta go back and test all these mice so I actually remember why I ranked them where I did (it's been a while!). I bumped up the Vaxee mice a fair bit but that's mostly because I don't remember why I ranked them where they were ... pretty sure it was higher weight and cables, but now they're around that weight and wireless, so it makes it harder. Also the NP-01 overall design is really good, other than the button height being a bit high.
@@RocketJumpNinja I appreciate the well thought out reply and sticking to the philosophy. I agree the bolt got a lot right with the shape but I would imagine it's getting left behind by it's competition in all other aspects. I understand the list isn't to be followed in a completely rigid way which allows for a lot of personal preference. I would say as an extra that the pulsar x2 mini is similar to the bolt and likely beats it in most categories. Id love to see you review the new v2 pulsar mice. I suspect you'd likely main the pulsar x2 mini if the mz1 didn't exist.
the NP-01S is a godsend for people that hold the mouse at an angle. never had a mouse that just was compfy on first setup. its not perfect for me, the curves could be more agressiv, but at that point you could not sell i to people that have clawgrip or fingertip anymore. So this is probably the best shape for people that have a "angled palmgrip" for a prodution mouse
Interesting take, so that extra length with that height allows for angled palm for you? It feels good to me, just I think the NP-01 shape is better with the 2:1 ratio, so if they just made that smaller and lighter, essentially it'd be an improved Zowie S2, which would rank really highly if the weight was right. Great shape, really like it, just the other mice are a fair bit lighter. That said, had a lot of fun playing on the NP-01S wireless so can definitely understand the appeal. Button height is a bit high though, would be good if they lowered that somehow, I'm used to the MZ1 height.
@@RocketJumpNinja its not even the height for me, its the curves on the side the slight S shape it has in combination with the hump just falls better into my hand. i think "palm" is not really the right term, its something between finger and palm -> but i think a full "angled palm grip" will still benefit from the NP-01S Wireless greatly holding it with fingertip and supporting with the palm at the knucklepart of the ring and small finger at the hump . I support the mouse with thumb under the lower sidebutton. Imagine putting your hand flat without twisting it, bending your fingers a little (wrist on the desk and fingertips on the desk) and than putting your hand over the mouse without losing that position. only middle and point finger will be slightly elevated and thumb at the lower sidebutton. as if im pressing the mouse into my ring and small finger with my thumb (ofc not with a lot of force, just that it is stable) the mouse naturally will be angled to the left (as righthander). only the fingertips and the knuckes of ring and small finger will touch the mouse the handposition is similar to useing an ergo mouse, withot useing an ergo mouse -> but those are to big because i still use my fingers fingertipstyle for recoil and microajustments you can do it with many mice, its more compfortable if you use smaller mice (lamzu mini is good too). sadly the MZ1 and the X2 are not as nice, because the shape forces you into "straight fingerstyle". for me the finalmouse is also not good, because it actually causes cramps for me (the only one that does for me)... something about those outward shaped mousebuttons i think (my ringfinger usually rest at the top right side, right next to the right mousbutton) only downside for me is, that i have to compensate for the angle by either: pulling the mouse up if i wanne flick to the right, or use rawaccel to change the sensor rotation (what im currently doing with about -7°)
@@the1sH0 same way that i've been griping it. i like how narrow it is, so im quite precise, and a bit extra length which puts it away from 2:1 ratio actually makes it more comfortable for me, since all small mice feel too short for my 21cm long hands. I also touch just a little bit with my small and ring finger knuckle so it adds a bit of stability and point of rotation.
@@Sizzling420 yes, most of the time only the underside of the knuckles rest on the mouse, only time it doesnt is, if im doing spraycrontroll or do small flicks down, than only the fingertips hold the mouse, up until the back of the mouse hit my actuall palm near the wrist, than im starting to move my arm.
I've had my XE wireless for close to 6 months now and it is end game for my hand size (21*12), its comfortable so I can palm it for work while still easily switching to a claw/fingertip for games. Build quality is second to none and every time I hear my friends complain about g-hub and whatever Razor software they are forced to use being bloatware or causing problems on their systems it makes me appreciate the route Vaxee took and I don't even mind the 16g difference.
I have the same handsize, the bloatware is a bit of a non-argument nowadays imo, the 16g is too much to pass up for me. I do think this is the best mouse shape you can buy, so there's the tradeoff for me. Does it hurt you at all at the wrist after prolonged gaming sessions?
It will most likely be delayed, as there are some new versions of it coming out soon with 4k Hz, optical switches, and a nordic mcu = Longer battery life, no idle delay, presumably really low latency on the clicks with minor chance of double clicking.
Same here I refuse to get the current version the RGB and weight changing mechanism is pointless we need a pro version with all that pointless stuff taken out i know there's parts on the sides That have no holes But personally I Have my ring and pinky finger more forward So if you don't hold the mouse the same way as Zy you'll feel the holes Which is unfortunate
If i used hyperx haste. have 20x10cm hand, use mostly a clawlike grip with my middlefinger being halfway on scroll the other half on button. i dont care much about weight (cant be above 100 though which here is not a problem). shape, price and durability (or longevity rather) is most important to me.
Hey RJN, hope you're doing well. Thanks for these banger reviews as of late, miss your style. Any chances you'll publish more original songs? Really liked your songs
Hey, thanks for sticking around! And yeah still working on music, but still haven't figured out how to mix and master to the point they don't distort on any sound systems. Once I figure that out, I'll start releasing more tracks.
Thanks for reviewing this one, now I will wait for your review of the Pulsar X2V2 and X2H, then I will decide if I will upgrade my viper ultimate or if I keep it.
I don't think I have time ... is there anything that's like a big stand out? I don't think I can review mice that aren't going to make the Top Mice list, just too much to do.
not really anything too stand out I'd say, more great value for money with good build quality/specs and between 80 (4k versions) to 40 euro but no coating on most of the offerings of course, got myself the ajazz 139pro basically a gpx clone with 2mm lower top but with new specs and ended up swapping it out for my GPX, once I changed the feet of course cause they're lacking and I've never been one to complain about feet or coating but for sure a downside but can't complain for price.
@@RocketJumpNinja VGN F1 pro is a standout imo. Viper style shape, 49 grams, top of the line wireless tech for $50 USD. Solid build quality as well. Performs on par with the other $100 options.
How do you find other players for quake champions? I am in NZ, bought it when it wasnt f2p and haven't seen anyone since first couple months after launch when I have looked.
can you please shoot more in standard aspect ratios and only do some shots like b rolls in a wider/cinematic aspect ratio, its honestly not a pleasant experience to watch an entire review on a desktop with most of the videos cut off.
Unfortunately video aspect ratios are not dynamic, so no, it's either one or the other. If I make the footage standard while the rest is ultrawide, all it's going to do is add even more black bars on the sides as well, instead of just top and bottom. On an ultrawide monitor or phone, these videos fill the entire screen. I'm using ultrawide these days so it's awesome watching videos that fill it. That said, most people are still on standard, so yeah I can put it to a vote and see what people want to watch.
@@RocketJumpNinja imo if you want to make the aspect ratio fill the screen on mobile devices while not having bottom and top bars i think you could consider shooting in aspect ratios used by reviewers like mkbhd etc..
Yeah it's still early days but they're adding "Arena Kings" mode, which is basically what I have played more than any other game ever. Glad to see it coming to Quake Champions, looks like we're getting my favourite map soon too!
Zy, i was wondering. Do small or big mouse feet glide faster, or doesnt this matter due to the formula of static friction? you read all type of opinions online, but some tests and results would be awesome or at least your opinion.
Small feet on hard surface are usually faster while larger feet on soft surface are more consistent. If you do not have weight on your mouse small feet will usually be faster (if you use the material for them). Harder material is usually faster then softer material. But then again ptfe feet usually have a more consistent wear then glas or saphire scates.
I understand the take on weight meaning they are pushed down the top mice list but ranking them below the Fnatic Bolt feels criminal to me
Agreed. The bolt is a subpar mouse in comparison
So trying to rank them mostly by shape, but giving a nod to mice with better tech and features or lower weight. The Bolt has a really good shape, I think even better than the NP-01S, so that's why it gets the nod. It's similar to the MM710, while technically not as good as other mice, the shape was one of the best for aim for me. Razer Viper Mini still ranked pretty high because of that too, despite being wired. So many great mice, it's hard to get the list perfect or really consistent, they're all good in different ways and suit different people, which is why I generally say ignore the number and find what has the right features for you, but at the same time, looking over the list, it looks pretty good. A few more tweaks and I think we're there. The problem now is I gotta go back and test all these mice so I actually remember why I ranked them where I did (it's been a while!). I bumped up the Vaxee mice a fair bit but that's mostly because I don't remember why I ranked them where they were ... pretty sure it was higher weight and cables, but now they're around that weight and wireless, so it makes it harder. Also the NP-01 overall design is really good, other than the button height being a bit high.
@@RocketJumpNinja I appreciate the well thought out reply and sticking to the philosophy. I agree the bolt got a lot right with the shape but I would imagine it's getting left behind by it's competition in all other aspects. I understand the list isn't to be followed in a completely rigid way which allows for a lot of personal preference. I would say as an extra that the pulsar x2 mini is similar to the bolt and likely beats it in most categories. Id love to see you review the new v2 pulsar mice. I suspect you'd likely main the pulsar x2 mini if the mz1 didn't exist.
the NP-01S is a godsend for people that hold the mouse at an angle. never had a mouse that just was compfy on first setup. its not perfect for me, the curves could be more agressiv, but at that point you could not sell i to people that have clawgrip or fingertip anymore. So this is probably the best shape for people that have a "angled palmgrip" for a prodution mouse
Interesting take, so that extra length with that height allows for angled palm for you? It feels good to me, just I think the NP-01 shape is better with the 2:1 ratio, so if they just made that smaller and lighter, essentially it'd be an improved Zowie S2, which would rank really highly if the weight was right. Great shape, really like it, just the other mice are a fair bit lighter. That said, had a lot of fun playing on the NP-01S wireless so can definitely understand the appeal. Button height is a bit high though, would be good if they lowered that somehow, I'm used to the MZ1 height.
@@RocketJumpNinja its not even the height for me, its the curves on the side the slight S shape it has in combination with the hump just falls better into my hand.
i think "palm" is not really the right term, its something between finger and palm -> but i think a full "angled palm grip" will still benefit from the NP-01S Wireless greatly
holding it with fingertip and supporting with the palm at the knucklepart of the ring and small finger at the hump .
I support the mouse with thumb under the lower sidebutton.
Imagine putting your hand flat without twisting it, bending your fingers a little (wrist on the desk and fingertips on the desk) and than putting your hand over the mouse without losing that position. only middle and point finger will be slightly elevated and thumb at the lower sidebutton. as if im pressing the mouse into my ring and small finger with my thumb (ofc not with a lot of force, just that it is stable) the mouse naturally will be angled to the left (as righthander).
only the fingertips and the knuckes of ring and small finger will touch the mouse
the handposition is similar to useing an ergo mouse, withot useing an ergo mouse -> but those are to big because i still use my fingers fingertipstyle for recoil and microajustments
you can do it with many mice, its more compfortable if you use smaller mice (lamzu mini is good too). sadly the MZ1 and the X2 are not as nice, because the shape forces you into "straight fingerstyle". for me the finalmouse is also not good, because it actually causes cramps for me (the only one that does for me)... something about those outward shaped mousebuttons i think (my ringfinger usually rest at the top right side, right next to the right mousbutton)
only downside for me is, that i have to compensate for the angle by either: pulling the mouse up if i wanne flick to the right, or use rawaccel to change the sensor rotation (what im currently doing with about -7°)
I think I might be the same, more of the underside of your knuckles rest on the mouse not the actual palm?
@@the1sH0 same way that i've been griping it. i like how narrow it is, so im quite precise, and a bit extra length which puts it away from 2:1 ratio actually makes it more comfortable for me, since all small mice feel too short for my 21cm long hands. I also touch just a little bit with my small and ring finger knuckle so it adds a bit of stability and point of rotation.
@@Sizzling420 yes, most of the time only the underside of the knuckles rest on the mouse, only time it doesnt is, if im doing spraycrontroll or do small flicks down, than only the fingertips hold the mouse, up until the back of the mouse hit my actuall palm near the wrist, than im starting to move my arm.
I've had my XE wireless for close to 6 months now and it is end game for my hand size (21*12), its comfortable so I can palm it for work while still easily switching to a claw/fingertip for games.
Build quality is second to none and every time I hear my friends complain about g-hub and whatever Razor software they are forced to use being bloatware or causing problems on their systems it makes me appreciate the route Vaxee took and I don't even mind the 16g difference.
I have the same handsize, the bloatware is a bit of a non-argument nowadays imo, the 16g is too much to pass up for me. I do think this is the best mouse shape you can buy, so there's the tradeoff for me. Does it hurt you at all at the wrist after prolonged gaming sessions?
@@pedromfl Nope not at all, have considered doing a Bearded Bob weight reduction on it for fun.
Great review, as always. Would like to see you review the pulsar X2 and X2 mini
It will most likely be delayed, as there are some new versions of it coming out soon with 4k Hz, optical switches, and a nordic mcu = Longer battery life, no idle delay, presumably really low latency on the clicks with minor chance of double clicking.
Could you please make a non-RGB/no holes version of your MZ1? (weight focused-pro edition) I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Same here I refuse to get the current version the RGB and weight changing mechanism is pointless we need a pro version with all that pointless stuff taken out i know there's parts on the sides That have no holes But personally I Have my ring and pinky finger more forward So if you don't hold the mouse the same way as Zy you'll feel the holes Which is unfortunate
If i used hyperx haste. have 20x10cm hand, use mostly a clawlike grip with my middlefinger being halfway on scroll the other half on button. i dont care much about weight (cant be above 100 though which here is not a problem). shape, price and durability (or longevity rather) is most important to me.
Hey RJN, hope you're doing well. Thanks for these banger reviews as of late, miss your style. Any chances you'll publish more original songs? Really liked your songs
Hey, thanks for sticking around! And yeah still working on music, but still haven't figured out how to mix and master to the point they don't distort on any sound systems. Once I figure that out, I'll start releasing more tracks.
@@RocketJumpNinja You can always publish the unfinished tracks as demos
Thanks for reviewing this one, now I will wait for your review of the Pulsar X2V2 and X2H, then I will decide if I will upgrade my viper ultimate or if I keep it.
think you'll ever do a "Chinese" mouse as they've been called roundup review? like the darmo, ajazz and dragonflys etc offerings?
I don't think I have time ... is there anything that's like a big stand out? I don't think I can review mice that aren't going to make the Top Mice list, just too much to do.
not really anything too stand out I'd say, more great value for money with good build quality/specs and between 80 (4k versions) to 40 euro but no coating on most of the offerings of course, got myself the ajazz 139pro basically a gpx clone with 2mm lower top but with new specs and ended up swapping it out for my GPX, once I changed the feet of course cause they're lacking and I've never been one to complain about feet or coating but for sure a downside but can't complain for price.
@@RocketJumpNinja VGN F1 pro is a standout imo. Viper style shape, 49 grams, top of the line wireless tech for $50 USD. Solid build quality as well. Performs on par with the other $100 options.
@@RocketJumpNinja They're all well performing, wireless,
The ajazz aj199 has a 4k version now and is one of the best shapes i have ever felt honestly
How'd you get vaxee mice while living in Australia?
Sorry not going to be much help but I get them sent from Vaxee for review. I've known them for years so still in contact.
I'm interested in purchasing the np-01s wireless, but cannot figure out from online documents how to configure the side button macros.
feel good grip
First one
Only one
Gonna review the Zaunkoenig M3K?
he having done the 4k polling rate comparison
who is better? xe or np-01? i dont understund english so mutch
How do you find other players for quake champions? I am in NZ, bought it when it wasnt f2p and haven't seen anyone since first couple months after launch when I have looked.
7th
Great review, as always. Please make a review of darmoshark N3 and darmoshark m3s varun
Still waiting for vaxee to release small mice around 100-110mm
Same tbh
Yes... the np01s is too long and heavy
you should do a comparison between the NP-01S to the G PRO Superlight
1st
How did you get a NP01S wireless if it doesnt ship to aus?
please review the endgame gear op1we :D
is the dpi switch button on top rebindable on Vaxee Xe mouse?
I'm mostly happy with my Zowie S1-C though may get Vaxee XE wired, it squishes the back hump a bit and lowers button angle too. Very good.
you gonna get a finalmouse ulx review unit?
Waiting for the cobra wireless review
could not buy the xe wireless in australia at all lol
can you please shoot more in standard aspect ratios and only do some shots like b rolls in a wider/cinematic aspect ratio, its honestly not a pleasant experience to watch an entire review on a desktop with most of the videos cut off.
Unfortunately video aspect ratios are not dynamic, so no, it's either one or the other. If I make the footage standard while the rest is ultrawide, all it's going to do is add even more black bars on the sides as well, instead of just top and bottom.
On an ultrawide monitor or phone, these videos fill the entire screen. I'm using ultrawide these days so it's awesome watching videos that fill it. That said, most people are still on standard, so yeah I can put it to a vote and see what people want to watch.
@@RocketJumpNinja imo if you want to make the aspect ratio fill the screen on mobile devices while not having bottom and top bars i think you could consider shooting in aspect ratios used by reviewers like mkbhd etc..
Motion Sync on or off? and is it good to just set it on?
first, 30 seconds in :D
Has rjn done a pulsar x2 review?
how about pulsar mice please?
Ketchup.
Gumball and Darwin
nice to see that my favorite reviewer is doing some mouse reviews again :)
X2 & X2 mini please
I just Looooovoe the NP 01S
getting my np01s wireless tomorrow, have a good feeling about this mouse but we'll see :)
how's it been so far?
Yes update 😜
Did new maps for Quake Champions come out?
It's a aim arena type mode.
Yeah it's still early days but they're adding "Arena Kings" mode, which is basically what I have played more than any other game ever. Glad to see it coming to Quake Champions, looks like we're getting my favourite map soon too!
🎉
Zy, i was wondering. Do small or big mouse feet glide faster, or doesnt this matter due to the formula of static friction? you read all type of opinions online, but some tests and results would be awesome or at least your opinion.
the less contact between mouse and mousepad, the faster the glide in my experience. so bigger feet = slower glide. small feet = faster glide.
for soft mouse pads my experience is exact the opposite (ie small feet -> slower movement)
Small feet on hard surface are usually faster while larger feet on soft surface are more consistent.
If you do not have weight on your mouse small feet will usually be faster (if you use the material for them).
Harder material is usually faster then softer material. But then again ptfe feet usually have a more consistent wear then glas or saphire scates.
I am one of these who actually prefer the optical, loud wheel encoder. Inconsistent sound of the TTC encoder drives me crazy.