I haven't listened to the commentaries since they left, but his retrospectives are what drew me to his channel in the first place and they are still excellent. This is a nice companion to his video!
Of course Koenig is a great guy, with a lot of humor, wit, inteligence. Quite humble and honest, who stands up for humanity. He is also a great actor Bester was a great vilian at Babylon 5. And he is a very good writer. But it´s Shatner. Do you think he cares?
You think he'd remember Koenig after working with him on Star Trek! :-) I think it was what ohioken1 said, but to be honest actors do so many different things that they can easily forget what they've been in and who've worked with (or their name). You find this with convention or festival interviews where an actor gets asked by the audience about an old role and they genuinely can't remember doing it (and probably never watched it either).
Nice one guys! I've only ever watched odd bits of Star Trek things, but you've convinced me to give The Final Frontier a go. It sounds interesting. Marc's a really good addition to the channel, another quality contributor, both in knowledge and personality. Keep it up!
It's a shame that if Abrams were dead-set on remaking a Star Trek film in spirit, he didn't go with Star Trek V. Remaking The Wrath of Khan with Khan as an antagonist for Spock is so stupid, when you consider how much better Cybok is as a foil for him.
Yeah but this video is more genuine, & passionate, the other youtuber just rips off information from dvd extras, & various websites, & just reads off the trivia in an Alexa/Siri style voice.
@@floyd75dylan Both RUclips channels have worthy qualities over the other. Oliver Harper is very dry and forensic with his analysis, while Richard and Duncan are very funny and engaging with their opinions. But I always felt they all worked better as a trio. Oliver kept them focused and on topic. He gave the boys structure. Richard and Duncan tend to be quite ill-disciplined in the way they discuss things, with rambling digressions and often hazy trivia/factual knowledge on the films they are discussing. On his own, Oliver retains this insight (which is interesting in its own way) but lacks the camaraderie and laughs that R&D used to bring to his channel. Both have different strengths and weaknesses, and both have value.
I don't know what happened between them (and I don't care) but both have a different approach with their own appeal. Yes, their commentaries together were great, but what can you do? I wouldn't have known R&D if it wasn't for Oliver, and I watched his retrospectives long before listening to the commentaries. Now I have two channels to get insightful movie commentary and analysis.
@@floyd75dylan I'd rather listen to the trivia from Siri than two guys who both mistakenly think they're hilarious, like a pair of annoying dweeby schoolboys on a bus laughing at each others crap jokes and impressions.
What a coincidence that both you and Oliver released videos on Star Trek V on the same day! I really wish Richard that you should talk about what happened between you, Oliver and Duncan. You are right Richard, STV is a perfectly fine film. My mom took an 8 year old me and my younger brother to see this film at the theatre, half way through the film I was totally into it, I turned to see how my mom and brother were enjoying the film and both were asleep. George Takei hated working on the film and described Shatner as being "obsequious" during the filming of STV.
Hmmm. It’s definitely the weakest of the original cast movies for me. It’s not without its merits. The scene with Bones and his dad is spectacular in both its staging and performance from Deforest Kelly. Laurence Lickenbaul (forgive me if I’ve misspelt that) is fantastic, Jerry Goldsmith’s score is beautiful and the chemistry of the cast is as strong as ever. That being said let’s not brush over the many flaws. Most glaring is the visual effects. When Kirk is falling down El Capitan It’s literally hands over your face time with how awful it looks. This trend continues through the movie especially damaging in the flaccid third act great barrier and electric shit show down on Shakaree. There are many moments that are simply embarrassing to look at which isn’t the case in any of the other original cast movies. The basic story is simply eye-rolling; that God is a being camped out at the centre of the universe sending an SOS to an emotional Vulcan. Shatners ego is all over this and it’s thanks to Nimoy’s and Kelly’s complaints that it didn’t end up being Kirk v everyone as only he has the strength to battle Syboks mind control. In this Shatner fantasy only Kirk functions efficiently as even the captains log, a literal log book!, breaks down to add to the general woes of the ship, and his loyal crew, ready to sacrifice everything in Search for Spock, are easy fodder for Syboks pain relief here. The tone is all over the place. Compare the scene with Bones and his pain and Scotty slamming his head on the roof of the Jeffreys tube. It’s largely our affection for the characters that sees us through this mess of a film!
Nimoy and Deforrest basically argued successfully that these two would never betray their friend Kirk and side with Sybok. Yeah, it looked like Shatner wanted the Kirk vs the crew scenario
Star Trek V is good, just not the full cigar but its got heart and a big heart. A classic to some of the more recent stuff. Paramount, do the directors cut and give Mr Shatner some money! Doomcock loves 5...
The part that bugged me is where it is so well known that the Great Barrier cannot be penetrated, yet they do it with somewhat ease. Guess no one ever even tried before?
There's things that are great in this film, such as Sybok showing Bones & Spock's pain, even Kirk's reaction is effective. Most of the complaints I have are definitely the egocentric story (in parts) & effects (they actually use Star Wars blaster sounds). I think someone somewhere put it best, this is just Kirk's dream.
It turns out that every Star Trek film was hampered by tight budget constraints. Rescuing sound elements, special effects, and sets from the TV show was par the course. The biggest casualty was probably Kristie Alley not being able to reprise her roles as Lt. Saavik. To me, and I haven't finished watching this video, is that Star Trek 5 doesn't have any obvious fails. Unlike Star Trek 3 which had crappy dialogue, bad pacing, and terrible performances from the new Saavik actress, Kirk's son, and Christopher Lloyd as the Klingon Captain, and a few side character's. (James Olmos was the original choice but only passed up because he was short in stature.) Star Trek The Motion Picture didn't understand the characters of Bones, Kirk, and Spock AT ALL. It was just a generic sci-fi tale that could have been made without the Star Trek license and would have still been boring.
Well, I like the Jerry Goldsmith scores to The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier. But I appreciate this channel's appreciation for both movies. The Search for Spock and Star Trek (2009) are fantastic, so that odd number rule is b.s.
One commonanlity between every odd and even Star Trek film is that they all have amazing scores. That's quite something since they did original themes for ALL of them. (This ended with the Star Trek reboots reusing the same theme scores, but it's also a great score.)
The first 6 Star Trek films featured only one revenge story. The JJ movies are all revenge stories in some way. If I didn’t know better I’d think they had no idea what they were doing.
Some ropy VFX doesn't take away from what is probably the most conceptually interesting film of the series. Great performances all round, and a hugely underrated film IMO.
I think the film is okay, decent in parts. The opening with the trio camping out etc. is nice enough. Then I feel the mid section of the film is piss poor - everything on Nimbus 3 basically - Kirk killing a dancing cat woman? Uhura distracting the bad guys by singing and stripping? That cheap bar/nightclub set etc. etc. Once we get to the scene when Sybok goes to Kirk's quarters and talks with Spock, Bones and Kirk before they agree to head to the God planet - for me the film is a good watch from then on. The finale with the fake God is ok for me.
Yes, those things you mention, fighting cat woman and Uhura dancing are weird BUT it's also fun and campy. These things actually FIT in much better to the original TV series then anything done in any of the other movies. You could have written that generic extra humanoid being jumps out from behind bar and Kirk kills him. But it's not a scene we would still be talking about 20 years later. You wouldn't even remember it.
Having read the behind the scenes, ultimately Shatner's initial storyline was always going to be hard to make work film-especially as the script writer hired was new to the series [Given his work on 2,.4+6 I do wonder what Nicholas Myer could have done with it] and the script has a series of compromises and contrivances. The effects were awful even for the time and both facts combine for the limp finish. Still, there are some good moments and character stuff and it's a lot better than it's reputation [allegedly Trek writers were forbidden from referencing it until recently!]. I certainly enjoy it more than 'the motion picture' or 'Insurrection'.
I'm out of the loop, do they no longer get along? I thought they were at least acquainted if not mates, was there some drama (I have noticed zero crossovers since VVB started though)
@@Inignot12 Oh no they don't get on at all anymore. The falling out seems to have happened around the time Oliver was making his "In Search Of..." documentary. Hard to know what happened exactly, but Richard and Duncan seem to have very much pulled the plug on their friendship with Oliver (or vice versa)
This movie does have some real defining moments for the crew, especially Bones. It is exactly like you both said, it is not a shit film, it's that there are a fair amount of people that don't like it. I actually really like this film and if it was a choice between this and the Abrams Trek films I would easily choose this.
I will take Star Trek V happily over The Motion Picture any day. The Die Hard-on-the-Enterprise section in the middle is easily my favorite part of the film. But man is that ending a letdown. The Great Barrier ends up being the equivalent to rolling through a yellow traffic light. And then we meet a big face that wants to hitch a ride on the Enterprise. It would have been an interesting episode if it were done... well better. There is value in the picture; despite a complete lack of logic, the sequence where Sybock makes McCoy and Spock see their fears is well done and DeForest Kelly knocks it out of the Park. I also kinda look at it as a senior citizen action comedy lol. They all, respectfully, look tired and out of sync. It oddly works in places lol
I kinda disagree with this take because there is a scene in the movie that clearly addresses their age and physical limitations. When Bones and Kirk get worn out from just climbing a ladder. Captain Picard was actually older when fighting Borg so you would have to make the same critisim about First Contact. To me, it's just that some people don't like this story. The execution of the story was fine and there are good moments in the film. I personally like the film because it doesn't make the mistake of Next Generations of trying to have a villain. This movie has a lot more in common with the Voyage Home as it doesn't have a real protagonist. This may be the issue people have with this film too. This movie for all intensive purposes is a Sybock film. All of the motivations, events, and actions are pushed by this character. He is falsely presented as antagonist but is actually a protagonist that the audience is suppose to come around to sympathize with. The problem with the audience-film relationship here is that Star Trek crew isn't given something to do that auidence can root for. (Their only take was rescuing hostages that didn't want rescuing.) I think it was a very unique story in this way and I would like to see Star Trek move more in this direction with grey area villains and mysteries to be solved like they had in the Undiscovered Country.
Star Trek 6 did everything right where this movie failed. This film is a terrible shit show. One of the biggest let downs I've ever seen. After the great end of 4 this was truly misguided. I remember seeing it in the theater opening night and after it was over I yelled " Disappointed" at the top of my lungs. A bunch of people laughed and agreed so I wasn't the only one then. Not that the theater was packed,it wasn't. The story was just bad and the humor felt really forced unlike in 3 or 4. There are a few good parts and of course you get to see the original cast but that doesn't make it good. The entire thing feels cheep and unfinished. Richard just has blinders on. I will say though that as bad as it is I will watch it over STD and Pucard. What ST has become is even sadder.
Hear, Hear! I saw this film and felt that it had a weak story and remembering the effects to be really cheap. The subplot line that the Enterprise's systems were malfunctioning was somehow grating on me. The ending of ST IV had a cool white look of the bridge - they should have kept the look.
I think the movie is actually between good and fine. It doesn't have any obvious fails and avoid the villain of the week problem plaguing TNG movies and current Trek movies. It's not boring like the Motion Picture, doesn't have terrible acting like Star Trek III. It has more in common with the Voyage Home then any other Star Trek film. It's the only film that's campy like the original series too. I think it comes down to weather you like the story or not with this one. The one thing the film could have used is some clear motivation for the crew. The film is actually about Sybock and what HE wants. It's more akin to a Star Wars story. Something that takes place in the same story universes but is about highlighting another character.
Just watched the Shatner clip. He only gets 2 names correct, George Takai and Jimmy Doohan. He says Michelle Nichols, the guy who plays Chekhov, my friend, my colleague. Such cringe.
It does seem strange that the enterprise crew think they can find God living on a planet in the centre of our galaxy when everyone knows the almighty made made the entire universe. It only stands to reason that God dwells outside the material universe. Anyway, great film, I've always enjoyed it, problems and all. Shsnd Shatner got screwed on his vision and the effects, but the cinematography and acting are really strong on V.
There's some really nice scenes but the script as a whole is a mess. It feels like a TV script stretched to movie length, which is the biggest sin of the motion picture, and the tone is all over the place. I mean it's watchable but could have been a lot better. The Sequelisers have recently done their alternative version of Star Trek V and I quite like it.
I think V has some.great individual character moments and scenes but for me it doesn't quite gel as a whole, flawd film but far from the worst I think generation's and nemesis are way worse than this
The fact that there is one good scene in it does not stop it from being a bad film. The story is stupid, the effects are terrible and Shatner looks ridiculous throughout.
I've lived long enough for ST5 to get some love. Hmm..... Actually, I don't think it's terrible and I think with just a couple of tweaks here and there, it could have been good but alas, I don't like the lack of attention to small details (the turbo-shaft deck numbering for one example) and I don't like the forced, corny humor (humour?). The F/X? Pretty poor. But other than that.......... 😉
I would put Star Trek 5 and the bottom of the good Star Trek films. I would still rate First Contact about it. Every other TNG movie I would say is bad. (There is on going critisism that the Pickard in First Contact it is out of character from the TV series. They sight the episode where the Borg named Hue is given safe haven by Pickard. They never mention the fact that Pickard first wanted to use Hue to carry a computer virus back to the collective and kill all of the Borg...in the same episode.)
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Watching Harper’s video just reminds you that when he lost Richard and Duncan he lost the two elements that made his best videos.
Lennox Mate the new commentaries suck arse
I haven't listened to the commentaries since they left, but his retrospectives are what drew me to his channel in the first place and they are still excellent. This is a nice companion to his video!
Walter Koenig isn't just the guy who played Chekov, he's also a well-rounded person, with his own friends, and credit cards, and keys.
Of course Koenig is a great guy, with a lot of humor, wit, inteligence. Quite humble and honest, who stands up for humanity. He is also a great actor Bester was a great vilian at Babylon 5. And he is a very good writer. But it´s Shatner. Do you think he cares?
Man, what a coincidence! Somebody else just released their Star Trek V retrospective as well
Yeah, totes awks.
I'd rather this format than listening to a guy with all the charisma of a tree stump.
@@philbell5564 Harsh
@@TruDis01 But funny.
@@TruDis01 But true.
You'd think Shatner would remember Keomig, after they were both in the same Columbo.
L. Thomas Cater I believe they call it a brain fart, it happens to all of us at some point.
You think he'd remember Koenig after working with him on Star Trek! :-) I think it was what ohioken1 said, but to be honest actors do so many different things that they can easily forget what they've been in and who've worked with (or their name). You find this with convention or festival interviews where an actor gets asked by the audience about an old role and they genuinely can't remember doing it (and probably never watched it either).
This film was my introduction to the original crew so I have a soft spot for it. I still refer to it as "Star Trek V: The Wrath of God."
David Warner is one degree of separation between Sam Peckinpah and Vanilla Ice
The cinematography of ST: V is some of the best in the series
Nice one guys! I've only ever watched odd bits of Star Trek things, but you've convinced me to give The Final Frontier a go. It sounds interesting. Marc's a really good addition to the channel, another quality contributor, both in knowledge and personality. Keep it up!
I've got lots of time for 'ST5'. The chemistry of the main trio is what makes it for me.
"'What does god want with a starship?" is my favourite line delivery ever.
That's a good line but my personal favorite in the film is when Kirk goes to give Spock a hug: "Please Captain, not in front of the Klingons."
It's a shame that if Abrams were dead-set on remaking a Star Trek film in spirit, he didn't go with Star Trek V. Remaking The Wrath of Khan with Khan as an antagonist for Spock is so stupid, when you consider how much better Cybok is as a foil for him.
I'm down for an Enterprise discussion. I cautiously defend that series.
That's only because you have faith of the heart.
@@stevena488 Shame on you.
@6:52 You obviously missed that scene where Khan bumps into Chekov in the staff canteen and had a lengthy chat about eugenics and nuclear wessels.
Ok this is amusing how another certain individual has uploaded their review of it!
Dazza S 🤣🤣😂😂😂 the passive aggressiveness is STRONG with this one
It's hard not to be curious what exactly happened in that relationship...
@@andrewdevine3920 Apparently Oliver wasn't paying them, judging by this channel's reply to an above comment.
Hmm, 2 seperate Star Trek V reviews show up on youtube within a couple of hours. Interesting. ; )
Yeah but this video is more genuine, & passionate, the other youtuber just rips off information from dvd extras, & various websites, & just reads off the trivia in an Alexa/Siri style voice.
floyd75dylan or you can enjoy both(?)
@@floyd75dylan Both RUclips channels have worthy qualities over the other. Oliver Harper is very dry and forensic with his analysis, while Richard and Duncan are very funny and engaging with their opinions. But I always felt they all worked better as a trio. Oliver kept them focused and on topic. He gave the boys structure. Richard and Duncan tend to be quite ill-disciplined in the way they discuss things, with rambling digressions and often hazy trivia/factual knowledge on the films they are discussing. On his own, Oliver retains this insight (which is interesting in its own way) but lacks the camaraderie and laughs that R&D used to bring to his channel. Both have different strengths and weaknesses, and both have value.
I don't know what happened between them (and I don't care) but both have a different approach with their own appeal. Yes, their commentaries together were great, but what can you do? I wouldn't have known R&D if it wasn't for Oliver, and I watched his retrospectives long before listening to the commentaries. Now I have two channels to get insightful movie commentary and analysis.
@@floyd75dylan I'd rather listen to the trivia from Siri than two guys who both mistakenly think they're hilarious, like a pair of annoying dweeby schoolboys on a bus laughing at each others crap jokes and impressions.
What a coincidence that both you and Oliver released videos on Star Trek V on the same day! I really wish Richard that you should talk about what happened between you, Oliver and Duncan.
You are right Richard, STV is a perfectly fine film. My mom took an 8 year old me and my younger brother to see this film at the theatre, half way through the film I was totally into it, I turned to see how my mom and brother were enjoying the film and both were asleep.
George Takei hated working on the film and described Shatner as being "obsequious" during the filming of STV.
Apparently Oliver wasn't paying them, judging by this channel's reply to an above comment.
The planet ‘Sha Ka Ree’ was filmed at the Trona Pinnacles, near Trona, California
The Bones dad flashback is my favorite scene in the film.
Some of the effects are good, the Enterprise against the moon looks amazing
Also I would LOVE a Batman & Robin video. There's loads to discuss there lol
If you guys are currently burnt out on Star Trek and Bond, would you be interested in doing something on the Planet of the Apes series?
Hmmm. It’s definitely the weakest of the original cast movies for me. It’s not without its merits. The scene with Bones and his dad is spectacular in both its staging and performance from Deforest Kelly. Laurence Lickenbaul (forgive me if I’ve misspelt that) is fantastic, Jerry Goldsmith’s score is beautiful and the chemistry of the cast is as strong as ever. That being said let’s not brush over the many flaws. Most glaring is the visual effects. When Kirk is falling down El Capitan It’s literally hands over your face time with how awful it looks. This trend continues through the movie especially damaging in the flaccid third act great barrier and electric shit show down on Shakaree. There are many moments that are simply embarrassing to look at which isn’t the case in any of the other original cast movies. The basic story is simply eye-rolling; that God is a being camped out at the centre of the universe sending an SOS to an emotional Vulcan. Shatners ego is all over this and it’s thanks to Nimoy’s and Kelly’s complaints that it didn’t end up being Kirk v everyone as only he has the strength to battle Syboks mind control. In this Shatner fantasy only Kirk functions efficiently as even the captains log, a literal log book!, breaks down to add to the general woes of the ship, and his loyal crew, ready to sacrifice everything in Search for Spock, are easy fodder for Syboks pain relief here. The tone is all over the place. Compare the scene with Bones and his pain and Scotty slamming his head on the roof of the Jeffreys tube. It’s largely our affection for the characters that sees us through this mess of a film!
Nimoy and Deforrest basically argued successfully that these two would never betray their friend Kirk and side with Sybok. Yeah, it looked like Shatner wanted the Kirk vs the crew scenario
What does RUclips need with 2 Star Trek 5 reviews?
It's okay, we'll fix it in post.
Row, row, row your boat...
Do you know row row row row row row row your boat?
Star Trek V is good, just not the full cigar but its got heart and a big heart. A classic to some of the more recent stuff. Paramount, do the directors cut and give Mr Shatner some money! Doomcock loves 5...
The part that bugged me is where it is so well known that the Great Barrier cannot be penetrated, yet they do it with somewhat ease. Guess no one ever even tried before?
Only the penitent man may pass. Funny that Connery could have been in this rather than that summer's Last Crusade.
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I want to see Marc Price's Star Trek V remake
There's things that are great in this film, such as Sybok showing Bones & Spock's pain, even Kirk's reaction is effective. Most of the complaints I have are definitely the egocentric story (in parts) & effects (they actually use Star Wars blaster sounds).
I think someone somewhere put it best, this is just Kirk's dream.
It turns out that every Star Trek film was hampered by tight budget constraints. Rescuing sound elements, special effects, and sets from the TV show was par the course. The biggest casualty was probably Kristie Alley not being able to reprise her roles as Lt. Saavik.
To me, and I haven't finished watching this video, is that Star Trek 5 doesn't have any obvious fails. Unlike Star Trek 3 which had crappy dialogue, bad pacing, and terrible performances from the new Saavik actress, Kirk's son, and Christopher Lloyd as the Klingon Captain, and a few side character's. (James Olmos was the original choice but only passed up because he was short in stature.) Star Trek The Motion Picture didn't understand the characters of Bones, Kirk, and Spock AT ALL. It was just a generic sci-fi tale that could have been made without the Star Trek license and would have still been boring.
Well, I like the Jerry Goldsmith scores to The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier. But I appreciate this channel's appreciation for both movies. The Search for Spock and Star Trek (2009) are fantastic, so that odd number rule is b.s.
One commonanlity between every odd and even Star Trek film is that they all have amazing scores. That's quite something since they did original themes for ALL of them. (This ended with the Star Trek reboots reusing the same theme scores, but it's also a great score.)
The first 6 Star Trek films featured only one revenge story.
The JJ movies are all revenge stories in some way.
If I didn’t know better I’d think they had no idea what they were doing.
Some ropy VFX doesn't take away from what is probably the most conceptually interesting film of the series. Great performances all round, and a hugely underrated film IMO.
I think the film is okay, decent in parts.
The opening with the trio camping out etc. is nice enough. Then I feel the mid section of the film is piss poor - everything on Nimbus 3 basically - Kirk killing a dancing cat woman? Uhura distracting the bad guys by singing and stripping? That cheap bar/nightclub set etc. etc.
Once we get to the scene when Sybok goes to Kirk's quarters and talks with Spock, Bones and Kirk before they agree to head to the God planet - for me the film is a good watch from then on. The finale with the fake God is ok for me.
Yes, those things you mention, fighting cat woman and Uhura dancing are weird BUT it's also fun and campy. These things actually FIT in much better to the original TV series then anything done in any of the other movies. You could have written that generic extra humanoid being jumps out from behind bar and Kirk kills him. But it's not a scene we would still be talking about 20 years later. You wouldn't even remember it.
Having read the behind the scenes, ultimately Shatner's initial storyline was always going to be hard to make work film-especially as the script writer hired was new to the series [Given his work on 2,.4+6 I do wonder what Nicholas Myer could have done with it] and the script has a series of compromises and contrivances. The effects were awful even for the time and both facts combine for the limp finish. Still, there are some good moments and character stuff and it's a lot better than it's reputation [allegedly Trek writers were forbidden from referencing it until recently!]. I certainly enjoy it more than 'the motion picture' or 'Insurrection'.
Oddly enough, He Who Must Not Be Named's video on Star Trek V came out on the same day
I'm out of the loop, do they no longer get along? I thought they were at least acquainted if not mates, was there some drama (I have noticed zero crossovers since VVB started though)
@@Inignot12 Oh no they don't get on at all anymore. The falling out seems to have happened around the time Oliver was making his "In Search Of..." documentary. Hard to know what happened exactly, but Richard and Duncan seem to have very much pulled the plug on their friendship with Oliver (or vice versa)
@@TruDis01 thanks, I had no idea but it makes sense that once VVB started they never worked with him again lol
@@TruDis01 very sad, this like the Beatles breaking up: they work better together!
In case anyone missed it: redlettermedia.bandcamp.com/track/plinketts-star-trek-5-the-final-frontier-commentary
This movie does have some real defining moments for the crew, especially Bones. It is exactly like you both said, it is not a shit film, it's that there are a fair amount of people that don't like it. I actually really like this film and if it was a choice between this and the Abrams Trek films I would easily choose this.
Since having our bathroom changed into a shower wet room I've been longing for a bath. It's them long soak wanks a truly miss the most.
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I can't help but notice your pain
I will take Star Trek V happily over The Motion Picture any day. The Die Hard-on-the-Enterprise section in the middle is easily my favorite part of the film. But man is that ending a letdown. The Great Barrier ends up being the equivalent to rolling through a yellow traffic light. And then we meet a big face that wants to hitch a ride on the Enterprise. It would have been an interesting episode if it were done... well better. There is value in the picture; despite a complete lack of logic, the sequence where Sybock makes McCoy and Spock see their fears is well done and DeForest Kelly knocks it out of the Park. I also kinda look at it as a senior citizen action comedy lol. They all, respectfully, look tired and out of sync. It oddly works in places lol
I kinda disagree with this take because there is a scene in the movie that clearly addresses their age and physical limitations. When Bones and Kirk get worn out from just climbing a ladder. Captain Picard was actually older when fighting Borg so you would have to make the same critisim about First Contact.
To me, it's just that some people don't like this story. The execution of the story was fine and there are good moments in the film. I personally like the film because it doesn't make the mistake of Next Generations of trying to have a villain. This movie has a lot more in common with the Voyage Home as it doesn't have a real protagonist. This may be the issue people have with this film too.
This movie for all intensive purposes is a Sybock film. All of the motivations, events, and actions are pushed by this character. He is falsely presented as antagonist but is actually a protagonist that the audience is suppose to come around to sympathize with. The problem with the audience-film relationship here is that Star Trek crew isn't given something to do that auidence can root for. (Their only take was rescuing hostages that didn't want rescuing.) I think it was a very unique story in this way and I would like to see Star Trek move more in this direction with grey area villains and mysteries to be solved like they had in the Undiscovered Country.
Imagine if Sir Sean Connery had played Sybok like they wanted.
Imagine Sean Connery pronouncing the name Sybok.
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@@henryglennon3864 Shybochk
Star Trek V: First Contact With Jesus
Marc Price? Alas, that is no "Skippy" and this is no "Trick or Treat."
Star Trek 6 did everything right where this movie failed. This film is a terrible shit show. One of the biggest let downs I've ever seen. After the great end of 4 this was truly misguided. I remember seeing it in the theater opening night and after it was over I yelled " Disappointed" at the top of my lungs. A bunch of people laughed and agreed so I wasn't the only one then. Not that the theater was packed,it wasn't. The story was just bad and the humor felt really forced unlike in 3 or 4. There are a few good parts and of course you get to see the original cast but that doesn't make it good. The entire thing feels cheep and unfinished. Richard just has blinders on. I will say though that as bad as it is I will watch it over STD and Pucard. What ST has become is even sadder.
Hear, Hear! I saw this film and felt that it had a weak story and remembering the effects to be really cheap. The subplot line that the Enterprise's systems were malfunctioning was somehow grating on me. The ending of ST IV had a cool white look of the bridge - they should have kept the look.
What does God need with a Starship?
I don't hate the movie either. It's crap, but kinda good crap.
I think the movie is actually between good and fine. It doesn't have any obvious fails and avoid the villain of the week problem plaguing TNG movies and current Trek movies. It's not boring like the Motion Picture, doesn't have terrible acting like Star Trek III. It has more in common with the Voyage Home then any other Star Trek film. It's the only film that's campy like the original series too.
I think it comes down to weather you like the story or not with this one. The one thing the film could have used is some clear motivation for the crew. The film is actually about Sybock and what HE wants. It's more akin to a Star Wars story. Something that takes place in the same story universes but is about highlighting another character.
I love it. A guilty pleasure
For better or worse, this film was most like an episode of TOS. I'm on the side of better.
But were all the female characters shot in hilariously soft focus?
I'll take V over any of the Next Gen movies (including 'Generations')
I also like Star Trek V.
It was one of my favorite startrek films. I am an atheist.
Just watched the Shatner clip. He only gets 2 names correct, George Takai and Jimmy Doohan. He says Michelle Nichols, the guy who plays Chekhov, my friend, my colleague. Such cringe.
My friend. Whose name I can't remember.
I prefer all the odd numbered TOS movies over all the TNG movies and the JJ Abrams reboot movies
I have a lot of time for Star Trek 5. 🖖
I love Schwarzenegger as Mr Freeze.
The idea of finding god is interesting.
But did they pull it off, nope.
I love this movie.
It does seem strange that the enterprise crew think they can find God living on a planet in the centre of our galaxy when everyone knows the almighty made made the entire universe. It only stands to reason that God dwells outside the material universe.
Anyway, great film, I've always enjoyed it, problems and all. Shsnd Shatner got screwed on his vision and the effects, but the cinematography and acting are really strong on V.
There's some really nice scenes but the script as a whole is a mess. It feels like a TV script stretched to movie length, which is the biggest sin of the motion picture, and the tone is all over the place. I mean it's watchable but could have been a lot better. The Sequelisers have recently done their alternative version of Star Trek V and I quite like it.
I agree because the Enterprise A looks more like a T Set.
I think V has some.great individual character moments and scenes but for me it doesn't quite gel as a whole, flawd film but far from the worst I think generation's and nemesis are way worse than this
If you want to skip to good Enterprise season 4. First episode or two, if I remember, are weird. Rest are a bunch of mini-arcs.
The fact that there is one good scene in it does not stop it from being a bad film. The story is stupid, the effects are terrible and Shatner looks ridiculous throughout.
I've lived long enough for ST5 to get some love. Hmm..... Actually, I don't think it's terrible and I think with just a couple of tweaks here and there, it could have been good but alas, I don't like the lack of attention to small details (the turbo-shaft deck numbering for one example) and I don't like the forced, corny humor (humour?). The F/X? Pretty poor. But other than that.......... 😉
I need my pain!
Star Trek V is far more enjoyable than any of the TNG films, & that god awful Picard series.
I would put Star Trek 5 and the bottom of the good Star Trek films. I would still rate First Contact about it. Every other TNG movie I would say is bad. (There is on going critisism that the Pickard in First Contact it is out of character from the TV series. They sight the episode where the Borg named Hue is given safe haven by Pickard. They never mention the fact that Pickard first wanted to use Hue to carry a computer virus back to the collective and kill all of the Borg...in the same episode.)
Oh one other thing, that Piccard series is bad. But, man, Lower Decks is turning out to be the third really good Star Trek TV show.