that controller has an horrendous deadzone and innacurate joysticks, i have the cheaper F310 which i do like but damn you do not want to pilot anything with this thing, let alone the F710 that they used which is wireless only
Its not , its the best mini controller on the market in this size shape and compare to the 8bitdo zero 2: its way beter for trigger , buttons and cross. Definitely an upgrade quality compare to before
One interesting use case is for kids with small hands. We‘ve had quite a bit of fun playing with my daughter in Untitled Goose Game with the Zero 2, just going around, honking and picking up things
In terms of sizing, it sounds like you want the old N30 pro. To this day I HATE that they discontinued it, it was the perfect sized controller for situations where you need a quick controller. I keep mine in my backpack at all times, in the event that I find myself with some time to kill and I want to play some old SNES games on my tablet.
Yep, I have the original N30 from back in the day, I used to love it but it can be uncomfortable. I’d love it if they applied everything they’ve learned over the past 10 years to a controller that size.
@@RetroGameCorps Have you guys tried the Razer JungleCat controllers? They're small, but since it slides on the sides of a Samsung S10+ it becomes much more ergonomic. However, you can slide them out, stack them together, and throw them into your pocket. It's definitely a more pocketable gaming experience than having two devices (eg iPhone Mini + RG 353m -vs- JungleCat + S10+). However, I will be the first to admit that the Samsung Device is beginning to age, the real-world battery life is lower, and separating your Entertainment from Work into two devices makes things more simple. At least those are the conclusions I came upon.
Funny you happen to mention the only 8bitdo controller I have bought, thus far. Although the sticks on mine drift from improper storage. They discontinued it and purposefully kept a few software features from gracing it.
These micro controllers are absolutely /perfect/ for visual novels. But it definitely seems like there's a ton of overlap in that respect between the Zero 2 and the Micro
8bitdo used to sell a middle ground controller between the Zero 2 and SN30 pro called the "N30 pro". 8bitdo discontinued it. It's been my travel controller for years.
After using these micro controllers; I can honestly say that a single joycon has been the most comfortable and functional of all these controllers. I think the analog sticks (despite their propensity to drift), are what make it so that the hand does not cramp after prolonged use.
I used to have a Zero 2 on my Keychain, now I have it attached to my purse in much the same way. It's pretty funny when people think it's just an ornament, and then I get to show them that it actually works. I don't use it much, but if I don't have any other devices with me besides my phone, it works well in a pinch for retro games.
I have the larger Lite 2 8bitdo controller, and I can see how this can be a useful thing if you have a phone or tablet with a stand on you. Emulators or simple games like Vampire Survivors will probably feel nicer with that vs touch screen controls if you have just a few minutes to kill
Really would love a smaller Lite 1 with rubber dome buttons, the switches used on the Lite 1 were too hard for the Dpad and were uncomfortable. But it was way more pocketable than the lite 2
seems reasonable for certain situations. Get a kickstand case for your phone and anytime you have to wait on something you can just play a game because this thing was in your pocket with your phone. It's likely not the greatest experience, but good enough for some quick light gaming (strategy games or RPGs on an emulator or something. Not sure I would want to play something reaction heavy like a platformer because hand cramps.) Definitely better than on screen controls.
I agree, I think that's the most logical choice, to have it as a small complement to a phone. If you set the phone up with Webrcade to pull the games from the cloud, you'd be set!
is it cheaper than telescoping controllers, sure. If you have an xbox or playstation controller already, you get an even better experience clipping that to your phone. Of course neither are as small, but places to kickstand your phone are less functional than handheld. Maybe if you have two of them, for really cramped multiplayer, kickstand
I work in a hospital and I love playing retroarch on my phone on my lunch breaks using my Zero 2 controller. Since this has more buttons, I'm going to buy this and try it out instead. Thank you for such a thorough and well done review!
This may seem very specific (that's because it is) but I bought this controller specifically for playing visual novels on android. It has the perfect amount of buttons for this use case. Controller support is very hit or miss in android apps based on Ren'Py, so in the past I was forced to configure the Zero 2 to use a third party app to translate the utterly random keyboard key assignments to actually useful ones, but even that never worked perfectly. Being able to reassign the buttons to specific keyboard keys is perfect for my use case.
Someone makes a band you put on your phone you can clip the micro into and use it on your phone emulators in vertical mode with physical buttons. I looked into it before i got my rg35xx, because i didn't like playing with the touch screen.
To anyone watching a year later, the lag was fixed with firmware. Also, holding select + down will swap the ABXY face buttons. Lastly, this tiny thing is high quality and perfect for whats it's made for!
I like their Lite 1 as a portable controller. Its similar to the Lite 2, but d-pads instead of joysticks and in-line shoulder buttons improve its portability. Great for retro games on my phone.
I have the first version of one of these. It's a neat little device. I wouldn't dare attempt to game competitively with it but it does come through in the clutch for passive gaming sessions.
This is exactly what I was needing I need a tiny hideable controller but the zero limited the PS1 and ps2 games you could play finally having 2nd triggers on top
Kind of a bummer it has lag with Android... I wanted something I could throw in my Odin Lite bag/case just to have... I have pretty big hands so it would be very cramped but I also would not be using it for hours of game play... but that lag means no go for me unless it gets fixed. Was it possible to use on Android wired? Did that eliminate the lag?
I recently bought a micro and haven't experienced any lag using it wirelessly on my android phone. I have tested it on my switch, phone and PC both wired and wireless and it works with no problems.
I have a Zero 2 that's always on my commute bag. Is a small controller, but is actually really comfortable to play after you discover your ideal position of fingers (i have medium to large hand palm, but medium to small fingers), mine is medium fingers on the back, index on L/R and thumbs for pressing any button on dpad/abxy or the bizarre grip for holding my phone and the Zero 2 at the same time (Both index and mid finger holding the phone on L shape, ring finger for L/R, pinky on the back and thumbs on dpad/abxy). Maybe i buy the micro for more ps1 oriented RPGs that use a second trigger and for trips where i cant store my switch on a case
This tiny controller looks really cute and I want this but for drawing on my tablet. My go to for a portable small controller has been the SN30 Pro (first version.) But now it's the 8Bitdo Lite 2. Personally I think it's great in terms of portability and function.
I want the Nintendo Focus for $399 and with a 3D platformer pack-in game. If Nintendo is headed to VR, I can imagine it being similar to the Pimax Portal.
I love how you format your videos. Man I was thinking how this would've been perfect for some quick gaming on the phone but that input lag... I completely agree with you that a middle ground that's just right would be perfect, it would need analog sticks and gyro for me though.
I feel like I might be the exact niche for this : I like playing old GB-GBA type games on my phone while I'm on the bus, I usually play more slow games like turn bases RPG's in these settings, and I hate not having physical buttons. I might keep an eye out for a sale for one of these lol. I really do hope they update the firmware that causes lag on androids though.
It's pretty tiny but cute. I'm addicted to buying 8bitdo controllers, but maybe not for 25. I don't know. Maybe. I already have a Mini and it occupies the same function as the Micro would (stuffed in my work bag). Maybe for 10-15, either in a deal or priced with another controller. As long as the battery is up to the normal 8bitdo standards it would be fine
This would be 100% awesome for retro games in portate orientation on a phone. Just hold it infront of the bottom front of a phone kinda like a Gameboy. Maybe even hot glue a wide elastic loop to back of the contoller.
I think the N30 Pro 2 would be the ideal controller, but it's no longer manufactured. I sent 8bitdo an email expressing my interest in them relaunching it for travel reasons.
Same, my only issue with the Zero was it was the only device I still carry that uses micro USB. Also the round back and flat front isn't great for comfort.
I want buy micro for ps1 emulation on android phone. But afraid of its size. Can u get some feedback for this size format? I thought buy miyoo mini plus but not sure at all
wow, you mentioned the Surface Duo 2 for the first time (that I remember), from that time I saw it on your shelf when you did a tour on your studio showing all the handhelds you have. I currently use it as my daily phone and it's awesome at 3DS emulation
For your small controller needs, I'm not sure how they can make them smaller but not too small. 8bitdo's N30 Pro2, the new version of the NES Pro, is slightly smaller in height and width than a SN30 Pro, but is much thinner. The shell is about 15 mm thick, but the analog sticks raise it to 23mm. It's wide enough to not be cramped, certainly not as cramped as the Zero 2, but thin enough that it feels very portable. Another alternative is the N30 which is styled on an original NES controller. It's same thickness as the N30 Pro but without the analog sticks. It's therefore more limited as a controller, but for retro gaming where analog is not needed, it's fine. The new version of the N30 has only A and B buttons, unfortunately, two regular, two turbo. But for NES, SMS, Gameboy, this is fine. It also has L1 and R1, so Gameboy Advanced is also fine. The older version has ABXY in the usual cross shape while the new one has AB and turbo buttons in a square. These controllers may be closer to when you're looking for in a portable controller. Be interesting to see if you think they err too much on the full sized controller side while the Lite was too small.
On the note of your one-handed controller- there used to be a fair market for these, in the ps1 days I saw quite a few that were more or less targeted at people playing Final Fantasy games. I have vague memory of ads describing one hand to control the game and one hand to turn pages on your Prima guide. I think that with the keyboard mode and an emulator, it would be comfortable for an adult to play most of the classic jrpg games one (left) hand, with the dpad mapped for directions (90* turned) under your thumb, a/b to comfortable shoulder buttons letting you move the characters, and menu options with select/cancel under your fingertips, and the face buttons mostly ignored. I could see myself (finally) playing Pokemon with this, while waiting for things like servers to reboot at work.
I have the original zero controllers when they could still connect to Apple. I got them more for emulators on my phone. I got used to them. They’re great for games with limited inputs, much like these. For a bit i was designing a grip to put the controller in to make it more comfortable but abandoned the project. With 3D printing now I’m sure someone could easily design a grip that could improve this micros comfort level. Having a little extra to hold on to with your actual hand should help reduce the strain on your fingers.
I’m looking for something that bridges the gap too!! Please keep covering them Development of small controllers, I’ve desperately been waiting for useable niche small/flat controller
No way I have been on the fence about this one for quite some while now! And just today when I am again contemplating the purchase, I see you’ve posted 9 minutes ago about the very product! This is great haha, now time to watch!
I think you're spot on about the size, we need something between the Zero and the Lite, but we got another controller the same size as the Zero (although at least it's a more ergonomic shape). I'd love to see it just a bit bigger (and thicker), and use the extra size for better shoulder buttons, a bigger battery, and I'd love to have 6 buttons on the right face too (for Genesis/Saturn and N64 especially). That would be about perfect.
The Zero 2 was held back by its micro-usb port. This one looks really good as a portable controller and remote (presentations and stuff). It's probably possible to print some shells to make it a bit more comfortable for gaming.
I love the Lite 1 as a travel controller. Also ordered this one since the Zero 2 has the annoying habit of turning itself on and wasting the battery, so I’m hoping this will be a suitable upgrade.
6:10 Agreed. I was on a 2 week trip visiting family and needed a controller for my iphone. I ended up buying an 8bitdo Ultimate controller thinking I'd use it also for my PC at home. However like you said there's definitely a Goldilock's size for travel. It's possible the SN30 Pro might fit the bill and it also has a phone mount/holder.
Personally, if it didn’t have the inline trigger style than I would totally deem this to feel much more comfortable and less cramped on the way I hold it
Holy crap, that surface duo 2 looks amazing!! I always wanted to grab me one of those but a lot of negative reviews are currently talking me out of it.
Yeah, I've been occasionally checking eBay for it too and it's still in the $800+ range most of the time. Although I guess that's also due to the massive original MSRP.
I was hoping that home button could be used like a joystick nub from the 3ds. I have the zero and really enjoy it's feel and most importantly portability for playing games on my phone, but it would be nice to get a small controller that has the two shoulder buttons per side and a right stick. Then I could play ps2 and GameCube games more easily.
Size-wise, the perfect controller shape for this application would be a Turbografx/PC Engine controller. 8bitdo already makes a wireless version for that console, All they would have to do is reorient the buttons and add shoulder buttons. Heck they could even add slider sticks to the thing. I'm just begging that they do replaceable AAA batteries. It's so much easier to just swap rechargeable batteries when they die rather than having e-waste when proprieary batteries go bad.
I’m here looking for the Goldilocks size. Especially now with iOS emulation. But seriously, why can’t they just release all of these in a standard grey color.
if you can find one review the 8bitdo N30 Pro and PRO2 controllers (not to be confused with the SN30 Pro controllers). Nintendo probably was about to sue them into the dirt for the colors but they were the missing link between the Mico pads and the SN30 Pro your looking for. They originally came in pretty accurate colors for the Famicom, and NES. after nintendo probably sent the a cease and decist they made the N30 Pro2 which came in less accurate NES, Genisis, Game cube, and N64 color ways
You can't pigeon hold handhelds/handheld gaming PCs into a narrow price range and size, otherwise we'll just end up with variations of Steam Decks/ROG Allys. Gaming PCs are not static consoles, they have way more variety and options.
We keep two in the Tesla. They can be used in it both wired and Bluetooth. I do agree they could have been 50% larger, using the shoulder buttons is cramped after a couple of minutes.
I use one of these for mundane things Feet Kicked Waay back! In Mmo's such as World Of Warcraft I Have it button bind to a Addon Called fishing buddy makes it so I click the B button It Cast's the Fish Net Into the Water. Along with moving around with the d'Pad & Flight Form on extra button.
I use the 8bitdo zero to play backnbrain games. Its really useful if you could remap the buttons. Otherwise, i dont play much games. I kept thinking that the kn light unnecessary wastes battery. Thing has a battery save option that automatically turns it off, why would you want to see the light in you're already paired up?
After buying a Miyoo Mini +, I personally no longer have a use for a small controller. It's okay for gaming on your phone in emergencies. Most people wouldn't be happy if you handed them that controller, so it isn't great for multiplayer. Joycons are more than good enough if you are using a Switch. I'd rather just pack an extra controller with any handheld PC. I don't see much of a point for this.
This is like the Zero 3, i already got the Og Zero and i haven't seen a reason to update, also the battery is rate to last 18hrs with the old one.I bought it for Android gaming just the cellphone and the controller but it was very uncomfortable, now I only use it to load cores on my MisterFPGA and then i Play witch SNAX
like you i'll probably buy it just to take on trips with batocera on a tiny usb i also wish it was around 33%-50% bigger like a joycon edit: looking at reviews on amazon, the missed inputs issue is actually common, I've decided to go for a zero 2 instead
I wish their controllers just showed up in rewasd, with this all the functionality would still be available in rewasd, but like ny ultimate controller i have to either pick it to show up as a switch controller or a xbox controller, like my flydigi apex 2 shows up just fine in rewasd, and if 8bitdo doesn't want to make software for the controllers like with my m30 2.4g or like how this controller only shows up on android, or their software isn't fully featured like with the ultimate controller they should at least offer the code to rewasd to be able to properly remap them, I know its so annoying for me that my rewasd configuration for my 8bitdo ultimate and my neogeo keep swapping since they just show up identical even though those controllers are physically as dissimilar as possible, I really need to learn to stop buying controllers from 8bitdo, I just like having cool and different controllers, but they don't support all their controllers with software, some don't get any software at all, some feel like abandonware, and the rest just isn't as full featured as other software like rewasd, but I know if they announce a m30pro+ultimate hall effect lite deluxe extra I'll probably be there and if I am I'll definitely be disappointed
The best size and comfort PORTABLE controller was the steel series free controller. Unfortunately it uses an outdated bluetooth and doesn't control well anymore. 8bito needs to make a copycat of that size and design.
Imagine showing off your RG Nano and someone says, “how do you manage with those tiny cramped buttons?” and you say, “Don’t worry, I have a controller” before pulling this thing out. * * I know, RG Nano doesn’t even have bluetooth.
@RetroGameCorps hey I must ask, how did you manage to connect the controller to windows? I'm trying everything but every single time it asks me for a PIN that I don't have, and any of the basic 0000 1111 1234 etc don't work either, I wanna try to mess with the keyboard mode but I can't like this
This a controller I will be using during a short break, quick match of KOF or Street Fighter. I was planning on buying the lite 2 but it is a bit big to carry anywhere
I bought one of these on day 1. Mine has no noticeable input lag on Android, but the buttons are kinda hard to press. My thumb got tired quickly after holding down the d pad playing vampire survivors. Overall, no regrets.
I've seen these tiny controllers being used as teleprompter controllers - you can see them in the hands of Linus Tech Tips hosts if you look close enough. I believe they use the 8bitdo controller with a joystick tho? idk As for teleprompters, do note that auto-scrolling via speech recognition exists as well!
Don't be fooled by his appearance. It is impossible to use it normally as a gamepad. This is nothing more than a keychain for a backpack. The stupidest purchase I've ever made.
Ordered mine it will take about 2 weeks to arrive. I have been wanting this for a while. I want to attach it to my keys (with protection, not sure what yet?). I want to use it for my phone so I will always have a console on me and a spare controller for my steam deck
I can't even play with Joycons, the tiny face buttons are not comfortable to use let alone this thing. This is gimmicky and not comfortable for long hours of play to say the lease.
This thing would be PERFECT for piloting a submarine!
Actually, it's overqualified
Not enough battery life for the return trip... wait. Never mind.
that controller has an horrendous deadzone and innacurate joysticks, i have the cheaper F310 which i do like but damn you do not want to pilot anything with this thing, let alone the F710 that they used which is wireless only
@@Josuh say this to the army
@@Josuhit is the most uncomfortable controller that I have, especially on the area where your middle finger is resting.
I use my zero 2 for playing paired with my Android watch I have even ps1 emulation
I miss the n30 pro it was the perfect portable controller I would always bring it to my friends to play and now they don't make them anymore
Do you think they'll release more colors? I don't need this cause I have the 8bitdo Lite(dual d-pad) in yellow. But fun to think about.
It looks like a good device for artists using tablets for drawing. Binding the buttons for undo, common brushes, etc.
Dude. Didn't even cross my mind. You're a genius! 😮 not joking
8bitdo actually advertises this functionality on their website! I’ll probably use mine for this more than gaming
you can get a streamdeck or keyoboard alternative for that. Bigger size, feels less cramped.
Turn based RPG. One handed.
Great idea!
It’s not the size, it’s how you use it
It's actually pretty average
Size does matter sometimes
Makes a great teleprompter or DSLR controller if supported as a custom input device. ;)
I like the way you think 😊
And using it will cramp up your hands after 5 minutes.
Its average...
Its not , its the best mini controller on the market in this size shape and compare to the 8bitdo zero 2: its way beter for trigger , buttons and cross.
Definitely an upgrade quality compare to before
@@MatakkoTV it was a joke 💀
you got me there ahah 🤣 @@CheSocBalls420
@@MatakkoTV lmao
@@MatakkoTV true though, its really good
One interesting use case is for kids with small hands. We‘ve had quite a bit of fun playing with my daughter in Untitled Goose Game with the Zero 2, just going around, honking and picking up things
You're right, and I hadn't thought about this. I would have loved a micro controller as a kid.
I agree with that. My 3 year old daughter plays the steam deck but has a hard time using the analog sticks. This could be the answer.
In terms of sizing, it sounds like you want the old N30 pro. To this day I HATE that they discontinued it, it was the perfect sized controller for situations where you need a quick controller. I keep mine in my backpack at all times, in the event that I find myself with some time to kill and I want to play some old SNES games on my tablet.
Yep, I have the original N30 from back in the day, I used to love it but it can be uncomfortable. I’d love it if they applied everything they’ve learned over the past 10 years to a controller that size.
@@RetroGameCorps Have you guys tried the Razer JungleCat controllers? They're small, but since it slides on the sides of a Samsung S10+ it becomes much more ergonomic. However, you can slide them out, stack them together, and throw them into your pocket.
It's definitely a more pocketable gaming experience than having two devices (eg iPhone Mini + RG 353m -vs- JungleCat + S10+). However, I will be the first to admit that the Samsung Device is beginning to age, the real-world battery life is lower, and separating your Entertainment from Work into two devices makes things more simple. At least those are the conclusions I came upon.
Funny you happen to mention the only 8bitdo controller I have bought, thus far. Although the sticks on mine drift from improper storage. They discontinued it and purposefully kept a few software features from gracing it.
I have the SN30 Pro and I find it works well for these situations. It fits into a sunglasses case!
I love my N30Pro, it's thin enough to put in a pocket but has buttons for everything from NES to modern consoles (minus analog triggers).
These micro controllers are absolutely /perfect/ for visual novels. But it definitely seems like there's a ton of overlap in that respect between the Zero 2 and the Micro
I view the micro as an upgraded zero 2
@@Sir.YeetusIII I thought that too, the one complication is that the Micro doesn't have an xinput or dinput mode like the Zero 2.
@@everynone1849 He shows you in the video that it has D input?
8bitdo used to sell a middle ground controller between the Zero 2 and SN30 pro called the "N30 pro". 8bitdo discontinued it. It's been my travel controller for years.
What is this? A controller for ants?!?!
After using these micro controllers; I can honestly say that a single joycon has been the most comfortable and functional of all these controllers. I think the analog sticks (despite their propensity to drift), are what make it so that the hand does not cramp after prolonged use.
I used to have a Zero 2 on my Keychain, now I have it attached to my purse in much the same way. It's pretty funny when people think it's just an ornament, and then I get to show them that it actually works.
I don't use it much, but if I don't have any other devices with me besides my phone, it works well in a pinch for retro games.
I have the larger Lite 2 8bitdo controller, and I can see how this can be a useful thing if you have a phone or tablet with a stand on you. Emulators or simple games like Vampire Survivors will probably feel nicer with that vs touch screen controls if you have just a few minutes to kill
Really would love a smaller Lite 1 with rubber dome buttons, the switches used on the Lite 1 were too hard for the Dpad and were uncomfortable. But it was way more pocketable than the lite 2
seems reasonable for certain situations. Get a kickstand case for your phone and anytime you have to wait on something you can just play a game because this thing was in your pocket with your phone. It's likely not the greatest experience, but good enough for some quick light gaming (strategy games or RPGs on an emulator or something. Not sure I would want to play something reaction heavy like a platformer because hand cramps.) Definitely better than on screen controls.
I agree, I think that's the most logical choice, to have it as a small complement to a phone. If you set the phone up with Webrcade to pull the games from the cloud, you'd be set!
is it cheaper than telescoping controllers, sure. If you have an xbox or playstation controller already, you get an even better experience clipping that to your phone. Of course neither are as small, but places to kickstand your phone are less functional than handheld. Maybe if you have two of them, for really cramped multiplayer, kickstand
I work in a hospital and I love playing retroarch on my phone on my lunch breaks using my Zero 2 controller. Since this has more buttons, I'm going to buy this and try it out instead. Thank you for such a thorough and well done review!
Same!
This may seem very specific (that's because it is) but I bought this controller specifically for playing visual novels on android. It has the perfect amount of buttons for this use case. Controller support is very hit or miss in android apps based on Ren'Py, so in the past I was forced to configure the Zero 2 to use a third party app to translate the utterly random keyboard key assignments to actually useful ones, but even that never worked perfectly. Being able to reassign the buttons to specific keyboard keys is perfect for my use case.
It may not be great for gaming, but fantastic as a left-hand keypad when you're drawing stuff on iPad.
Can you play games on the iPad with this controller, or is it only a mappable shortcut for iPad?
Someone makes a band you put on your phone you can clip the micro into and use it on your phone emulators in vertical mode with physical buttons. I looked into it before i got my rg35xx, because i didn't like playing with the touch screen.
Joycons are too small
To anyone watching a year later, the lag was fixed with firmware.
Also, holding select + down will swap the ABXY face buttons.
Lastly, this tiny thing is high quality and perfect for whats it's made for!
I like their Lite 1 as a portable controller. Its similar to the Lite 2, but d-pads instead of joysticks and in-line shoulder buttons improve its portability. Great for retro games on my phone.
The Lite 1 is the same price as this Micro as well, so you might as well pay to get a "full controller"
I have the first version of one of these. It's a neat little device. I wouldn't dare attempt to game competitively with it but it does come through in the clutch for passive gaming sessions.
This is exactly what I was needing I need a tiny hideable controller but the zero limited the PS1 and ps2 games you could play finally having 2nd triggers on top
Long story short. Size matters.
i'd say it was just a firmware problem bc i have it and it has 0 lag at least on mine and my friends and my opinion upon trying it
That is very average in size, it may actually be on the larger side.
Kind of a bummer it has lag with Android... I wanted something I could throw in my Odin Lite bag/case just to have... I have pretty big hands so it would be very cramped but I also would not be using it for hours of game play... but that lag means no go for me unless it gets fixed. Was it possible to use on Android wired? Did that eliminate the lag?
I recently bought a micro and haven't experienced any lag using it wirelessly on my android phone. I have tested it on my switch, phone and PC both wired and wireless and it works with no problems.
Playing vampire survivors for almost a month and no lag noticed. Connection by Bluetooth in ns mode.
An emergency game controller? Specific Dire game situation?
Seriously?🤣😆🤣
Ive bought one of the micro controllers for my daughter who has small hands, she struggles to use a normal controller but this really helps.
I have a Zero 2 that's always on my commute bag. Is a small controller, but is actually really comfortable to play after you discover your ideal position of fingers (i have medium to large hand palm, but medium to small fingers), mine is medium fingers on the back, index on L/R and thumbs for pressing any button on dpad/abxy or the bizarre grip for holding my phone and the Zero 2 at the same time (Both index and mid finger holding the phone on L shape, ring finger for L/R, pinky on the back and thumbs on dpad/abxy).
Maybe i buy the micro for more ps1 oriented RPGs that use a second trigger and for trips where i cant store my switch on a case
This tiny controller looks really cute and I want this but for drawing on my tablet. My go to for a portable small controller has been the SN30 Pro (first version.) But now it's the 8Bitdo Lite 2. Personally I think it's great in terms of portability and function.
Russ! Why not review the Neogeo one instead. Looks way more interesting imho
I want the Nintendo Focus for $399 and with a 3D platformer pack-in game. If Nintendo is headed to VR, I can imagine it being similar to the Pimax Portal.
A lot of size sensitivity in these comments lol
I love how you format your videos.
Man I was thinking how this would've been perfect for some quick gaming on the phone but that input lag...
I completely agree with you that a middle ground that's just right would be perfect, it would need analog sticks and gyro for me though.
Gameboy micro
I feel like I might be the exact niche for this : I like playing old GB-GBA type games on my phone while I'm on the bus, I usually play more slow games like turn bases RPG's in these settings, and I hate not having physical buttons. I might keep an eye out for a sale for one of these lol. I really do hope they update the firmware that causes lag on androids though.
It's pretty tiny but cute. I'm addicted to buying 8bitdo controllers, but maybe not for 25. I don't know. Maybe. I already have a Mini and it occupies the same function as the Micro would (stuffed in my work bag). Maybe for 10-15, either in a deal or priced with another controller. As long as the battery is up to the normal 8bitdo standards it would be fine
"it comes with a wrist strap so it doesn't fall through the molecules of your hand"
- Peter Knetter
This would be 100% awesome for retro games in portate orientation on a phone. Just hold it infront of the bottom front of a phone kinda like a Gameboy. Maybe even hot glue a wide elastic loop to back of the contoller.
I think the N30 Pro 2 would be the ideal controller, but it's no longer manufactured. I sent 8bitdo an email expressing my interest in them relaunching it for travel reasons.
i actually have the old version of this control, its surprisingly good for some short burst gaming
Same, my only issue with the Zero was it was the only device I still carry that uses micro USB. Also the round back and flat front isn't great for comfort.
If I didn’t already have the Zero 2, I’d consider buying this one. I like it’s thin and flat shape, along with the extra shoulder buttons.
I want buy micro for ps1 emulation on android phone. But afraid of its size. Can u get some feedback for this size format? I thought buy miyoo mini plus but not sure at all
I bought both
I'm curious if this is any better, besides L2/R2, than the 8BitDo Zero 2 which is 5 bucks less and doesn't have the input lag, it seems?
wow, you mentioned the Surface Duo 2 for the first time (that I remember), from that time I saw it on your shelf when you did a tour on your studio showing all the handhelds you have. I currently use it as my daily phone and it's awesome at 3DS emulation
For your small controller needs, I'm not sure how they can make them smaller but not too small. 8bitdo's N30 Pro2, the new version of the NES Pro, is slightly smaller in height and width than a SN30 Pro, but is much thinner. The shell is about 15 mm thick, but the analog sticks raise it to 23mm. It's wide enough to not be cramped, certainly not as cramped as the Zero 2, but thin enough that it feels very portable.
Another alternative is the N30 which is styled on an original NES controller. It's same thickness as the N30 Pro but without the analog sticks. It's therefore more limited as a controller, but for retro gaming where analog is not needed, it's fine. The new version of the N30 has only A and B buttons, unfortunately, two regular, two turbo. But for NES, SMS, Gameboy, this is fine. It also has L1 and R1, so Gameboy Advanced is also fine. The older version has ABXY in the usual cross shape while the new one has AB and turbo buttons in a square.
These controllers may be closer to when you're looking for in a portable controller. Be interesting to see if you think they err too much on the full sized controller side while the Lite was too small.
I got man size hands. I can't use that😂
On the note of your one-handed controller- there used to be a fair market for these, in the ps1 days I saw quite a few that were more or less targeted at people playing Final Fantasy games. I have vague memory of ads describing one hand to control the game and one hand to turn pages on your Prima guide.
I think that with the keyboard mode and an emulator, it would be comfortable for an adult to play most of the classic jrpg games one (left) hand, with the dpad mapped for directions (90* turned) under your thumb, a/b to comfortable shoulder buttons letting you move the characters, and menu options with select/cancel under your fingertips, and the face buttons mostly ignored. I could see myself (finally) playing Pokemon with this, while waiting for things like servers to reboot at work.
It’s probably got a good personality
I have the original zero controllers when they could still connect to Apple. I got them more for emulators on my phone. I got used to them. They’re great for games with limited inputs, much like these. For a bit i was designing a grip to put the controller in to make it more comfortable but abandoned the project. With 3D printing now I’m sure someone could easily design a grip that could improve this micros comfort level. Having a little extra to hold on to with your actual hand should help reduce the strain on your fingers.
I’m looking for something that bridges the gap too!! Please keep covering them
Development of small controllers, I’ve desperately been waiting for useable niche small/flat controller
Might get this for my dwarf friend
Reminds me of the Steelseries Free, just without the analog sticks. Thanks for motivating me to see if that thing still works lol
Update: it doesn't
I think it’s about average
It's not about how big it is, it's how you use it.
5:30 The SN30 Pro fits perfectly in a 5€ glasses case I bought at my local drugstore.
It's my travel controller.
No way I have been on the fence about this one for quite some while now! And just today when I am again contemplating the purchase, I see you’ve posted 9 minutes ago about the very product! This is great haha, now time to watch!
I think you're spot on about the size, we need something between the Zero and the Lite, but we got another controller the same size as the Zero (although at least it's a more ergonomic shape). I'd love to see it just a bit bigger (and thicker), and use the extra size for better shoulder buttons, a bigger battery, and I'd love to have 6 buttons on the right face too (for Genesis/Saturn and N64 especially). That would be about perfect.
The Zero 2 was held back by its micro-usb port. This one looks really good as a portable controller and remote (presentations and stuff). It's probably possible to print some shells to make it a bit more comfortable for gaming.
what's wrong with micro usbs?
@@Josuh It's a not very good and, more importantly, outdated connector.
I don’t mind the old standard. However usb - C is much more durable than the old standard which is important for longevity.
I love the Lite 1 as a travel controller. Also ordered this one since the Zero 2 has the annoying habit of turning itself on and wasting the battery, so I’m hoping this will be a suitable upgrade.
this controler is perfect for plaing simple games in bed, by propping up my steam deck aginst the wall and lying horizontal.
6:10 Agreed. I was on a 2 week trip visiting family and needed a controller for my iphone. I ended up buying an 8bitdo Ultimate controller thinking I'd use it also for my PC at home. However like you said there's definitely a Goldilock's size for travel. It's possible the SN30 Pro might fit the bill and it also has a phone mount/holder.
Personally, if it didn’t have the inline trigger style than I would totally deem this to feel much more comfortable and less cramped on the way I hold it
Holy crap, that surface duo 2 looks amazing!! I always wanted to grab me one of those but a lot of negative reviews are currently talking me out of it.
It'll really come down to the price, I paid an exorbitant amount for it (over $600) but it puts all other phone setups to shame.
Yeah, I've been occasionally checking eBay for it too and it's still in the $800+ range most of the time. Although I guess that's also due to the massive original MSRP.
They need an updated N30 Pro 2 with hall sensor joysticks. Have the old N30 Pro 2 and it’s still going pretty well aside from the left joystick drift
I totally agree. I've been looking for a mini controller about that size I can bring with me when traveling but none seem to have analog sticks
I was hoping that home button could be used like a joystick nub from the 3ds. I have the zero and really enjoy it's feel and most importantly portability for playing games on my phone, but it would be nice to get a small controller that has the two shoulder buttons per side and a right stick. Then I could play ps2 and GameCube games more easily.
Size-wise, the perfect controller shape for this application would be a Turbografx/PC Engine controller. 8bitdo already makes a wireless version for that console, All they would have to do is reorient the buttons and add shoulder buttons. Heck they could even add slider sticks to the thing. I'm just begging that they do replaceable AAA batteries. It's so much easier to just swap rechargeable batteries when they die rather than having e-waste when proprieary batteries go bad.
I’m here looking for the Goldilocks size. Especially now with iOS emulation. But seriously, why can’t they just release all of these in a standard grey color.
if you can find one review the 8bitdo N30 Pro and PRO2 controllers (not to be confused with the SN30 Pro controllers). Nintendo probably was about to sue them into the dirt for the colors but they were the missing link between the Mico pads and the SN30 Pro your looking for. They originally came in pretty accurate colors for the Famicom, and NES. after nintendo probably sent the a cease and decist they made the N30 Pro2 which came in less accurate NES, Genisis, Game cube, and N64 color ways
This controller is cool for mk8D and animal crossing new horizons. I don’t want to bring a controller with sticks because that’s not portable.
You can't pigeon hold handhelds/handheld gaming PCs into a narrow price range and size,
otherwise we'll just end up with variations of Steam Decks/ROG Allys.
Gaming PCs are not static consoles, they have way more variety and options.
We keep two in the Tesla. They can be used in it both wired and Bluetooth. I do agree they could have been 50% larger, using the shoulder buttons is cramped after a couple of minutes.
I use one of these for mundane things Feet Kicked Waay back!
In Mmo's such as World Of Warcraft I Have it button bind to a Addon Called fishing buddy makes it so
I click the B button It Cast's the Fish Net Into the Water. Along with moving around with the d'Pad & Flight Form on extra button.
I use the 8bitdo zero to play backnbrain games. Its really useful if you could remap the buttons. Otherwise, i dont play much games. I kept thinking that the kn light unnecessary wastes battery. Thing has a battery save option that automatically turns it off, why would you want to see the light in you're already paired up?
After buying a Miyoo Mini +, I personally no longer have a use for a small controller. It's okay for gaming on your phone in emergencies. Most people wouldn't be happy if you handed them that controller, so it isn't great for multiplayer. Joycons are more than good enough if you are using a Switch. I'd rather just pack an extra controller with any handheld PC. I don't see much of a point for this.
This is like the Zero 3, i already got the Og Zero and i haven't seen a reason to update, also the battery is rate to last 18hrs with the old one.I bought it for Android gaming just the cellphone and the controller but it was very uncomfortable, now I only use it to load cores on my MisterFPGA and then i Play witch SNAX
like you i'll probably buy it just to take on trips with batocera on a tiny usb
i also wish it was around 33%-50% bigger like a joycon
edit:
looking at reviews on amazon, the missed inputs issue is actually common, I've decided to go for a zero 2 instead
I wish their controllers just showed up in rewasd, with this all the functionality would still be available in rewasd, but like ny ultimate controller i have to either pick it to show up as a switch controller or a xbox controller, like my flydigi apex 2 shows up just fine in rewasd, and if 8bitdo doesn't want to make software for the controllers like with my m30 2.4g or like how this controller only shows up on android, or their software isn't fully featured like with the ultimate controller they should at least offer the code to rewasd to be able to properly remap them, I know its so annoying for me that my rewasd configuration for my 8bitdo ultimate and my neogeo keep swapping since they just show up identical even though those controllers are physically as dissimilar as possible, I really need to learn to stop buying controllers from 8bitdo, I just like having cool and different controllers, but they don't support all their controllers with software, some don't get any software at all, some feel like abandonware, and the rest just isn't as full featured as other software like rewasd, but I know if they announce a m30pro+ultimate hall effect lite deluxe extra I'll probably be there and if I am I'll definitely be disappointed
The best size and comfort PORTABLE controller was the steel series free controller. Unfortunately it uses an outdated bluetooth and doesn't control well anymore. 8bito needs to make a copycat of that size and design.
Imagine showing off your RG Nano and someone says, “how do you manage with those tiny cramped buttons?” and you say, “Don’t worry, I have a controller” before pulling this thing out. *
* I know, RG Nano doesn’t even have bluetooth.
@RetroGameCorps hey I must ask, how did you manage to connect the controller to windows? I'm trying everything but every single time it asks me for a PIN that I don't have, and any of the basic 0000 1111 1234 etc don't work either, I wanna try to mess with the keyboard mode but I can't like this
This a controller I will be using during a short break, quick match of KOF or Street Fighter. I was planning on buying the lite 2 but it is a bit big to carry anywhere
I bought one of these on day 1. Mine has no noticeable input lag on Android, but the buttons are kinda hard to press. My thumb got tired quickly after holding down the d pad playing vampire survivors.
Overall, no regrets.
Can I use this as USB controller for computer? My 4 year old son's hands don't fit my playstation style controller.
Not super practical as a gaming controller. I prefer something one handed if I’m just wasting time on RUclips.
I've seen these tiny controllers being used as teleprompter controllers - you can see them in the hands of Linus Tech Tips hosts if you look close enough. I believe they use the 8bitdo controller with a joystick tho? idk
As for teleprompters, do note that auto-scrolling via speech recognition exists as well!
I got it for about 16 dollars with free shipping, honestly? I just bought it because I want to play some R4 on the go.
What do you mean? that controller is HUMONGOUS! I don't think I could even fit my hands around that controller!
My 8bitdo controller didn't come with a manual. I feel robbed.
Don't be fooled by his appearance. It is impossible to use it normally as a gamepad. This is nothing more than a keychain for a backpack. The stupidest purchase I've ever made.
Ordered mine it will take about 2 weeks to arrive. I have been wanting this for a while. I want to attach it to my keys (with protection, not sure what yet?). I want to use it for my phone so I will always have a console on me and a spare controller for my steam deck
I can't even play with Joycons, the tiny face buttons are not comfortable to use let alone this thing. This is gimmicky and not comfortable for long hours of play to say the lease.
8bitdo used to make the N30 Pro, i think that fit inbetween those sizes (Sn30 and micro) I am lucky enough to own one
Having 4 of these for dolphin 4 sword emulation on pc with the fam would be nice- but that’s like $100
I'm disappointed it's not using microswitches like the first lite model. I'm a huge fan of microswitches dpad
No “hadokenable” or “shoryukenable”? My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined. 😉