Tampa did what they felt was best. As loyal as Stamkos has been to Tampa I think people often forget how injury ridden Stamkos was for years early in his career and the team stuck with Stamkos, built around him perfectly and both Stamkos and Tampa got the ultimate prize. Now the part ways and go there own direction.
Letting a good player like stammer walk even though he would've taken a friendly deal is crazy to me, yeah I get he's in the back 9 of his career but he can still score and he's a good leader, not to mention he has been with the bolts forever, dude has roots there. I got a feeling it's going to crush the Tampa dressing room and this is the start of the fall for them, sure sends a heck of a message to everyone else in the room.
Damn straight it's the end. Deservedly so. Absolute crap move to the biggest sports icon in Tampa area history. By the end of next year one or more of the remaining big pieces will demand a trade and that's it. Karma is a coming.
i love that heddy got an extension but i wish they handled stammer better. I ofc was hoping he'd be a lifelong bolt and i understand if they wanted to move on, i just wish they handled it differently. If they really wanted him to stay they could've made more of an effort since he was clearly willing to take a giant discount or if they wanted to move on they simply could've just said that rather than give out one insulting deal they know he'd reject without any further effort and not constantly give out false hopes ab staying
When Chicago had to offload some players they essentially went almost all to Atlanta. Byfuglien, Eager, Sopel, and Ladd all went to Atlanta and that is when Byfuglien was converted to defense by Rick Dudley who was with Chicago and drafted Buff and has now won a cup with Florida. In another note that 2010 cup team had past Thrasher Marion Hosea.
I did the same call for the Habs, about 3 years. They're good on goalies and prospect goalies. They're good on defense (albeit they're still young), and have good prospects on D. They needed a little more offense prospects, they good Hage and Demidov, while still having good offense prospects.
I'm a Bruins fan and I love their direction and prospect pool. It is still in the process but theyre building a team to be stellar for years not just one season
For the bolts, Geekie is the key. If in 2 or 3 years hes another 80 plus point man then i guess they did good. As of today im not sure Stamkos and Sergachev for MacDonnaugh and Guentzel seems like lateral movement if not worse
The defense was horrible in Tampa. Sergachev going away is not helping at the short term, I agree but we get 2 picks back which was clearly needed from the horrible Jeannot trade and also 2 others from sending Jeannot to LA. We get Geekie a forward prospect who was 11 overall of the 2022 draft and JJ Moser, a 24 dman that was on the first pair in Arizona was only -5 even though the team was -18 and playing the best elements of the other teams. If you take Moser and McDonagh and take out Sergachev, it's probably worse for the offense, but you've strengthen the defensive side of your defense. Stamkos scored 40 goals last year yes, but scored 19 of these on the PP, Stamkos was a 20 goal scorer on 5 vs 5. He was becoming a little slower on the backcheck at a time when we needed to strengthen the defense. Guentzel is fast player who can create plays like Point and Kuch do. He's also a two-side player which is gonna help Tampa. Last year, the Lightning was 20 in the league at 5 vs 5 hockey. Tampa got in the playoffs only because of the PP. It was a easy task for Florida, stay away from the box and kill the Lightning PP when it materializes and all you have to do now is beat the 20th club in the NHL in 4 times out of 7 games... Guentzel will help to diversify the offense, bring more defensive responsibility and make it more productive at 5 on 5 at the expense of the PP I agree, but we still got Kuch, Hedman and Point. It's not like if these three were not able to run a PP. Also, it's been forever since Tampa had a young promising prospect to develop, can't wait to see how Geekie turns out for the Lightning because for 2015 to 2023, all the Lightning is trade picks in exchange of players to help you win championships. Now, it's time to renew the team and better start now to avoid the long never ending series of seasons at the bottom of the league that San Jose, Anaheim, Montreal, Ottawa, Buffalo are living right now.
Tampa did what I wish the Penguins would have done with Malkin a few years ago and sign Trocheck...Sadly the Penguins made the wrong move by signing Malkin
When he's still a top playoff performer and scored 40, and would've signed for $4.5 a year apparently, makes you wonder if they would've been a better team getting him at a price around there. And he really wanted to stay, and was their captain - kinda curious why Brisbois was so sour on him...
@@About36Greeksshe don’t know what he’s talking about I’m a bruins fan, his previous comments are hilarious, Montreal is closer to the playoffs than Ottawa 😂😂😂😂, habs have money and goalies will be available that’s all they need, maybe another 1-2 years, they will be playoff bound, the Atlantic will still be a 4 headed monster with Boston toronto Florida and Tampa
Sens fixed their defensive woes with Ullmark and Jenson. Expect them to challenge for a wildcard this year. Staios doing good work. Average goaltending should get them a ticket to the show.
Only reason I could get the Toffoli to Sharks was because he was in L.A for long and I think he still has a house out there. So I get it. And did he get a no move clause
Actually no he doesn't score more points. Where are you getting that from? Jake is better defensively and better 5v5. Exactly what Tampa was looking for. Qnd yeah, he is almost 5 years younger.
@@mr.brenman2132 Stammer was a -21. Jake was a plus 25. Jake was also much better 5v5. Jake had less goals but one thing they are leaving out. He only played 67 games. Add Kuch to the mix and Jake should easily score 40 goals. Maybe more. Stammer was more of a powerplay specialist with 19 of his 40 goals on the powerplay coming from mainly Kuch. Jake isnt the scorer Stammer is though so some adjustments will have to be made on the PP.
@@chelious1973 +- is a flawed statistic and Tampa bay was a bad defensive team as a whole. I'm not saying it won't work out but I don't put that much stock into that statistic.
31:23 Freudian slip, so appropriate for the garbage can GM move. 'This is where I give Julien a lot of credit' Somebody's singing for his continued access. 'This will eventually go away' No, it won't. Tom Seaver has a special paragraph in his wiki entry for the Midnight Massacre i.e. how the Mets totally disrespected and botched his time as Mr. Met and had to trade him in 1977. Nearly 50 years ago and it's still a thing. Bolts fans will never forget this. Ever.
No Eric. Kuch is the best player in Lightning history. The trade is better for the team. Sad to see Stammer go but business is business. Tampa gets better defensively and better 5v5. And younger. Win,win,win.
Though Gentzal now makes $9M vs reports that Stamkos would've taken $4.5 a year. So hypothetically could've kept Stamkos and his 40 goals and still had another $4.5 to spend, which could get you another pretty good player, so there's that.
The Red Wings, Blackhawks, Kings, and Penguins all kept their core together too long. Tampa is ice cold in what they did, Stamkos should've been a Lightning lifer. But the salary cap makes guys entering their mid 30's an anchor. Nashville is trying to make a run. With Vegas, Vancouver, Edmonton, Dallas, and Colorado, it's going to be tough. Let's see if the Lightning have a resurgence and get out of the first round. Florida made them look old this past year.
These guys are forgetting that Jake plays winger. Stammer plays center. He hardly ever played with Kuch and Point 5v5. Jake will play with Kuch and Point. Is there a better line in the NHL with those 3? Probably not. And Jake is used to playing with high end talent and espicially players who can make plays with eyes in the back of their head like Crosby. There are only three players with that kind of generational hockey iq in the NHL right now. And Kuch is one of them.
I wish my Leafs would have went for JC if Ottawa was willing to sell that cheap, I was shocked to what they got from Washington! For such a good player 😮 I wonder what they take for Chabot 🤔😏🤷♂️
@@sheaandrus-oak6546 so do my Leafs that’s why I wanted Pesce so bad, Keefe wanted him when he was coach of the Leafs and typically he got him when he was no longer coach 🙄😤😏 Ps tho Jensen is 7 years older than JC that’s a big difference 33 is quite old for a Dman 😏
Their biggest weakness was RD and they addressed it. I'm happy with the move. Chicky not fitting in the lineup in Ottawa as we already have two quarterbacks on the left side and only Zub on the right. This makes the defence better.
Bedard should be fine with sucking for three or four years. How do you think that Penguins got Fluery , Geno and Sid. They bad the number one or two pick lol. So once you have the number one pick it’s better to suck a few years and get a few high picks to go with your superstar
Tampa running a business, sooper smart marks about to read a thick ass horror novel that details the fall of the Bolts. But have no fear, you can always console yourself with how smart you are.
Why do the Leafs not have the best farm system in the NHL they the highest valued NHL team, they have top notch facilities they can pay top dollar for the best coaches (no cap) they should be going out and getting Trevor Timmins & Al Murray! Tampa showed their ruthless business streak Stammer thanks for your service your captaincy don’t take our low ball offer bye 👋 if Jake G doesn’t get 40 goals next season and Stamkos does 🤔😏
good move for Tampa Stammer got rich over last 18 yrs to expect big cake for another 5 or so yrs and know that the team wont be as competitive with him getting richer ,he should have stayed and tried to win for T bay fans rather than move on for a pay day .I would expect the same from Tavares next year ...we will see.
Tampa did what they felt was best. As loyal as Stamkos has been to Tampa I think people often forget how injury ridden Stamkos was for years early in his career and the team stuck with Stamkos, built around him perfectly and both Stamkos and Tampa got the ultimate prize. Now the part ways and go there own direction.
those injuries are long gone so seems like a ridiculous excuse to use that
Letting a good player like stammer walk even though he would've taken a friendly deal is crazy to me, yeah I get he's in the back 9 of his career but he can still score and he's a good leader, not to mention he has been with the bolts forever, dude has roots there. I got a feeling it's going to crush the Tampa dressing room and this is the start of the fall for them, sure sends a heck of a message to everyone else in the room.
Damn straight it's the end. Deservedly so. Absolute crap move to the biggest sports icon in Tampa area history. By the end of next year one or more of the remaining big pieces will demand a trade and that's it. Karma is a coming.
It's not that they let him walk. It's HOW they've (seemingly) done so - and if that's how they treat their captain? Yikes.
@@jfayiiiwhy would a player say we improved as a team so trade me
@@allannixon5113wait and see
@5:00 buddy was locked and loaded straight out of a mirror conversation lol
i love that heddy got an extension but i wish they handled stammer better. I ofc was hoping he'd be a lifelong bolt and i understand if they wanted to move on, i just wish they handled it differently. If they really wanted him to stay they could've made more of an effort since he was clearly willing to take a giant discount or if they wanted to move on they simply could've just said that rather than give out one insulting deal they know he'd reject without any further effort and not constantly give out false hopes ab staying
When Chicago had to offload some players they essentially went almost all to Atlanta. Byfuglien, Eager, Sopel, and Ladd all went to Atlanta and that is when Byfuglien was converted to defense by Rick Dudley who was with Chicago and drafted Buff and has now won a cup with Florida. In another note that 2010 cup team had past Thrasher Marion Hosea.
What’s this about loyalty? How many players every year leave a team over a few bucks.
I did the same call for the Habs, about 3 years. They're good on goalies and prospect goalies. They're good on defense (albeit they're still young), and have good prospects on D. They needed a little more offense prospects, they good Hage and Demidov, while still having good offense prospects.
I'm a Bruins fan and I love their direction and prospect pool. It is still in the process but theyre building a team to be stellar for years not just one season
For the bolts, Geekie is the key. If in 2 or 3 years hes another 80 plus point man then i guess they did good. As of today im not sure Stamkos and Sergachev for MacDonnaugh and Guentzel seems like lateral movement if not worse
Shhh you're supposed to agree with how smart the move is.
The defense was horrible in Tampa. Sergachev going away is not helping at the short term, I agree but we get 2 picks back which was clearly needed from the horrible Jeannot trade and also 2 others from sending Jeannot to LA. We get Geekie a forward prospect who was 11 overall of the 2022 draft and JJ Moser, a 24 dman that was on the first pair in Arizona was only -5 even though the team was -18 and playing the best elements of the other teams. If you take Moser and McDonagh and take out Sergachev, it's probably worse for the offense, but you've strengthen the defensive side of your defense. Stamkos scored 40 goals last year yes, but scored 19 of these on the PP, Stamkos was a 20 goal scorer on 5 vs 5. He was becoming a little slower on the backcheck at a time when we needed to strengthen the defense. Guentzel is fast player who can create plays like Point and Kuch do. He's also a two-side player which is gonna help Tampa. Last year, the Lightning was 20 in the league at 5 vs 5 hockey. Tampa got in the playoffs only because of the PP. It was a easy task for Florida, stay away from the box and kill the Lightning PP when it materializes and all you have to do now is beat the 20th club in the NHL in 4 times out of 7 games... Guentzel will help to diversify the offense, bring more defensive responsibility and make it more productive at 5 on 5 at the expense of the PP I agree, but we still got Kuch, Hedman and Point. It's not like if these three were not able to run a PP. Also, it's been forever since Tampa had a young promising prospect to develop, can't wait to see how Geekie turns out for the Lightning because for 2015 to 2023, all the Lightning is trade picks in exchange of players to help you win championships. Now, it's time to renew the team and better start now to avoid the long never ending series of seasons at the bottom of the league that San Jose, Anaheim, Montreal, Ottawa, Buffalo are living right now.
Guentzel is better than stamkos and Mac is better than sergy so how does that make them worse
@@allannixon5113 To my eyes, the first one was tight but Sergachev is better than McDonagh, it's just my opinion 😀
@@jimybourassa4369 I love sergy but he's definitely not better than mac
Can someone actually upload proper. It's the second, which jeet got hired?
They usually get the hour wrong
Love the panel today
Nice change
O misses you.
Tampa did what I wish the Penguins would have done with Malkin a few years ago and sign Trocheck...Sadly the Penguins made the wrong move by signing Malkin
When he's still a top playoff performer and scored 40, and would've signed for $4.5 a year apparently, makes you wonder if they would've been a better team getting him at a price around there. And he really wanted to stay, and was their captain - kinda curious why Brisbois was so sour on him...
Tampa’s Goaltending will drop off huge next season
Why ?
@@About36Greeksshe don’t know what he’s talking about I’m a bruins fan, his previous comments are hilarious, Montreal is closer to the playoffs than Ottawa 😂😂😂😂, habs have money and goalies will be available that’s all they need, maybe another 1-2 years, they will be playoff bound, the Atlantic will still be a 4 headed monster with Boston toronto Florida and Tampa
I wonder if Stamkos reached out to Marty Louis strictly as a sounding board.
Sens fixed their defensive woes with Ullmark and Jenson. Expect them to challenge for a wildcard this year. Staios doing good work. Average goaltending should get them a ticket to the show.
Seems like the same thing happened to Stamkos, as did to Lecavalier. But I don't think Stamkos production will drop like Lecavalier's.
Only reason I could get the Toffoli to Sharks was because he was in L.A for long and I think he still has a house out there. So I get it. And did he get a no move clause
so they give Guentzel 9 mil but cannot give Stamkos 8 mil instead I dont get it also Stemr scores lot more points then Jake..
Stamkos will be 35 at the end of the year. For next year it is a lateral move.
Actually no he doesn't score more points. Where are you getting that from? Jake is better defensively and better 5v5. Exactly what Tampa was looking for. Qnd yeah, he is almost 5 years younger.
@@chelious1973 He does score slightly more and I'm not sure what the defensive metrics say. That very well could be true.
@@mr.brenman2132 Stammer was a -21. Jake was a plus 25. Jake was also much better 5v5. Jake had less goals but one thing they are leaving out. He only played 67 games. Add Kuch to the mix and Jake should easily score 40 goals. Maybe more. Stammer was more of a powerplay specialist with 19 of his 40 goals on the powerplay coming from mainly Kuch. Jake isnt the scorer Stammer is though so some adjustments will have to be made on the PP.
@@chelious1973 +- is a flawed statistic and Tampa bay was a bad defensive team as a whole. I'm not saying it won't work out but I don't put that much stock into that statistic.
31:23 Freudian slip, so appropriate for the garbage can GM move.
'This is where I give Julien a lot of credit'
Somebody's singing for his continued access.
'This will eventually go away'
No, it won't.
Tom Seaver has a special paragraph in his wiki entry for the Midnight Massacre i.e. how the Mets totally disrespected and botched his time as Mr. Met and had to trade him in 1977. Nearly 50 years ago and it's still a thing.
Bolts fans will never forget this. Ever.
Yes
With all his back injuries, I think between that and his age he’s going to break down maybe not next but the following, my opinion
No Eric. Kuch is the best player in Lightning history. The trade is better for the team. Sad to see Stammer go but business is business. Tampa gets better defensively and better 5v5. And younger. Win,win,win.
Though Gentzal now makes $9M vs reports that Stamkos would've taken $4.5 a year. So hypothetically could've kept Stamkos and his 40 goals and still had another $4.5 to spend, which could get you another pretty good player, so there's that.
Feed feed feed your need to brag.
The Red Wings, Blackhawks, Kings, and Penguins all kept their core together too long. Tampa is ice cold in what they did, Stamkos should've been a Lightning lifer. But the salary cap makes guys entering their mid 30's an anchor.
Nashville is trying to make a run. With Vegas, Vancouver, Edmonton, Dallas, and Colorado, it's going to be tough.
Let's see if the Lightning have a resurgence and get out of the first round. Florida made them look old this past year.
These guys are forgetting that Jake plays winger. Stammer plays center. He hardly ever played with Kuch and Point 5v5. Jake will play with Kuch and Point. Is there a better line in the NHL with those 3? Probably not. And Jake is used to playing with high end talent and espicially players who can make plays with eyes in the back of their head like Crosby. There are only three players with that kind of generational hockey iq in the NHL right now. And Kuch is one of them.
Can your editor get the Hours & Dates right, please? Some of us actually care about watching the Boys' Podcasts!
Yeah but they have Forsberg though he’s a good player he’ll keep them up
I liked what ottawa was doing until the trade with Washington like WTF!!!! OTTAWA
I don’t get it , so bad.
I wish my Leafs would have went for JC if Ottawa was willing to sell that cheap, I was shocked to what they got from Washington! For such a good player 😮 I wonder what they take for Chabot 🤔😏🤷♂️
@@Woody13ify the thing is we need right D
@@sheaandrus-oak6546 so do my Leafs that’s why I wanted Pesce so bad, Keefe wanted him when he was coach of the Leafs and typically he got him when he was no longer coach 🙄😤😏 Ps tho Jensen is 7 years older than JC that’s a big difference 33 is quite old for a Dman 😏
Their biggest weakness was RD and they addressed it. I'm happy with the move. Chicky not fitting in the lineup in Ottawa as we already have two quarterbacks on the left side and only Zub on the right. This makes the defence better.
Have you guys heard Canada's in the quarter finals of the copa?
Habs are2-4 yrs from being just a playoff team, and I think Sens are at least 2 maybe 3 yrs away from being a really good team.
Change is good
Brady to Florida, it's only a matter of time
@jagermaisterretsiamregaj4935 Travis Green??? I'd give Brady one more year before he ask for a trade.
Bedard should be fine with sucking for three or four years. How do you think that Penguins got Fluery , Geno and Sid. They bad the number one or two pick lol. So once you have the number one pick it’s better to suck a few years and get a few high picks to go with your superstar
Montreal is doing a rebuild as patiently and as well as I have seen anyone do it.
40 goals 41 assists for Stamkos and can’t get resigned ??!
tsn got their hand smacked and had to do a back pedal LOL
Stamkos leaves impossible shoes to fill
Tampa running a business, fans clamouring for a romance novel.
Tampa running a business, sooper smart marks about to read a thick ass horror novel that details the fall of the Bolts. But have no fear, you can always console yourself with how smart you are.
like the moves? over paying for a 33 and 35 year old and sitting on marner....no we dont like the moves
It’s not that they let him go, it’s the way they did it , no class.
Stamkos is a defensive blunder, this is well known.
Why do the Leafs not have the best farm system in the NHL they the highest valued NHL team, they have top notch facilities they can pay top dollar for the best coaches (no cap) they should be going out and getting Trevor Timmins & Al Murray! Tampa showed their ruthless business streak Stammer thanks for your service your captaincy don’t take our low ball offer bye 👋 if Jake G doesn’t get 40 goals next season and Stamkos does 🤔😏
Habs are coming
HAYES talks too much.
TJ Brodie signs 2 yrs for $3.75 milllion per yr with Chicago black hawks he joins Bertuzzi.
good move for Tampa Stammer got rich over last 18 yrs to expect big cake for another 5 or so yrs and know that the team wont be as competitive with him getting richer ,he should have stayed and tried to win for T bay fans rather than move on for a pay day .I would expect the same from Tavares next year ...we will see.
No he's going to get a chance to win in Nashville and get the money.