Electric Vans - Are They Any Good For Heating Engineers?
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- Опубликовано: 30 янв 2024
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In this video, we are checking if electric vans are suitable for heating engineers. Long-term review of a Nissan EN-V 200 electric van. 
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I run the North West EV Owners group. I’ve done the NC500 around Scotland in a fully electric campervan. It was no problem at all. Happy to talk anytime about all things electric with you. Almost 8 years experience now with electric cars and vans.
We have site based maintenance guys. When we had new vans ordered a few years ago, they were asked if they would try an electric pool van.
“Not sure if we’d have an enough range?”
One guy does a 30 mile round trip to his home, the occasional trip to another site which is about the same distance.
They have 8 destination chargers on site too.
They kept the diesel van😢
Sad days.
Love my electric car.
Never go back.
Suits you very well! We use a Toyota ProAce Electric Van for our jobs - 175 miles of real world range with more space than the Nissan. You'll love it!
I have purchased one of the first Volkswagon ID Buzz Cargo EV vans and with hard driving i get around 215 miles although the Stated max range is 250 miles , with rear wheel drive and what I like it has the capacity of two Euro pallets of cargo space and it also has two sliding doors for the rear cargo space as well as the two rear doors , I find comfortable to drive with three seat layout with little road noise around central London and around Surrey
Yeah this VW look good. Too small for me though. EV van makes total sense in London.
@@UrbanPlumbers beats paying out for ULEZ
200 miles range is all I need
@@UrbanPlumbers My colleague has a New Ford E-Transit to carry larger appliances with a range of 165 to 195 miles also sliding doors on both sides as well as the rear doors and rear wheel drive with a payload of 1.7 tons
What range do you get with gentle driving? (or have you never tried that :-)
Thanks for a healthy dose of positivity! Great to hear this *nearly* covers all your needs. I'm hoping the next generation of vehicles (or some creative storage solutions) will get you all the way there.
Lovely to meet you both today - you both make an excellent team!
PS: the content you post is fascinating, entertaining and deeply addictive, keep up the fantastic work 👊🏼
welcome to the quiet life, iv'e been electric from 2016, I will never go back I.C.E. (internal combustion engine) And do travel around North wales mostly, averaging 16000 miles P.A. That's a car by the way.
E-NV200 too. Use cruise control all the time even in 30mph urban zones to increase efficiency. The van always knows best with throttle especially versus a driver with safety boots on. That plus eco mode definitely makes a difference. You don't really notice eco mode after a while. Turn the cruise standby on as soon as you start the van and then just blip it on and off with the steering wheel toggle to suit. Always thought I drove efficiently until I compared it with cruise control.
Very good insight, thank you
We've got 2 Nissan eNV200s. Lovely to drive and big enough for our needs. The newer one has a 40kWh battery with 150mi range, which is always plenty for us driving around Derbyshire & E Mids. The older one has 24kWh which is OK for a 2nd van if you mainly do local work. Both charge up for free on the company director's solar panels & powerwall.
Totally irrelevant to electric vans but it was great to see where you were driving. Before moving to Devon two years ago, we lived just down the road from you and was great to see all of the houses and remember the trade visits that I made to a significant number of them , I could pin point your position exactly throughout most of your video!
I have been running a peugeot e-expert for 2 years as a chippy and covered 35k in that time. Very cheap to run and service. Just changed the front set of tyres at 35k. Charging overnight at 7.5p. On average I get around 150 miles per charge with about 10% to spare. This is loaded with tools and materials. Extremely happy with it.
That sound good. I was looking at those vans. It may be my next electric van.
@@UrbanPlumbers just don't get the Mercedes vans, the royal mail guys I've spoke to say they are a pile of ****. They much prefer the Peugeots they have.
@@salibaba Vito or Sprinter?
@@xxwookey e-Vito I’m sure
I drive an Opel E-Vivaro L3 as a green energy installer, 78 kWh, 200 - 250 km of range with roofrack ladder. Perfectly workable for us!
EV is logic choice. It's funny, I discover your channel a week ago because I'm interested in converting my gas boiler by a Heat Pump. Just like 8 years ago I convert from diesel to an electric Tesla S90D, 464.000km (288.000 miles) today and NO issue, original battery pack and motors.
Great move. I would never go back to petrol or diesel. Have you seen that working CCS to CHAdeMo adaptors are coming to the market? That would make it much easier to pick up a rapid charge when you are out and about. Check out Dala's EV repair. Maybe see if you can pick up a cheap Vivaro EV or Citroen/ Peugeot/ Toyota clone. They should have a bit more room.
My dad is also a heating engineer, bought a evito 66kw under ulez scrappage scheme.
He gets around 170 mile range city driving and ~140 with motorways.
With his 7.2kw solar array and cheap overnight tariff the amount of money he's saving is crazy. Hes super happy with the van.
Yeah, they are literally free on fuel - 2p per mile and you can claim 8p back per mile back on your costs
I drive an electric car, so not the same scenario, but like you I would not want to go back to combustion. Having got used to the noticeable difference in consumption between warm day and cold dark, my concern would be whether range is compromised too much with a heavy load in winter. Charging only at public chargers must a a challenge too! All the best
I actually don’t see much difference in range fully loaded !
@@UrbanPlumbers Fully charged have covered some vans, it'll be in their playlists. Generally the same thing said, cargo weight doesn't affect the range much. The Maxus e-deliver might be a better fit for you, not as comfy or fancy as the Nissan though.
great bit of honest content from a real-world perspective, there are definitely better commercial EVs coming, I wish more people had an open-minded opinion to EV's as you
Been using my env200 for 4 years now as a handyman I love it. And would never go back. My next van will be an EV again.
Main benefit of electric - Torque ... smooth pull away and don't notice the load. No gear changes or even auto change, no smell or mess of diesel. I have trialled an EV car to see if it would benefit when we renew our van leases - just build charging around lunch or home charge or even charge on site - coincide with making appointments when stopped rather than in the evening at home. It is a different mindset.
Strange coincidence i saw a Citroen e dispatch van this morning being driven by a local heating engineer (Newcastle) . They have a 75kwh battery so potentially 225 miles of range. Looks a fair bit bigger than that too.
I think the official rating is 208 miles. More like 160 on a winter motorway (from a Norwegian test I saw). So significantly better than an ENV-200, but not as good as a Buzz. I'd very much like to know what people's practical experience is. I'm currently waiting for the LWB Buzz later this year with a bit more space and range and bidirectional charging. I really hope that's 'good enough'. (my usage is campervan, not plumbing van)
I drive an electric car, second one now. Its an MG ZS EV, last one was an Ioniq 38kWh. You are absolutely right about 200 miles real world range being the sweet spot. Ours does 220 in winter and I drove to Ben Nevis last year no problems.
Very interesting, if you have to stop somewhere and get it charged does that not impact your day rate? What is the true cost of ownership? Purchase price plus insurance etc etc, then do they depreciate similar to traditional vans. My son has an electric car and it’s great then cold weather set in! It is the way to go especially if you have a solar source of power. Great thought provoking vid. 👍🏻
I have the Leaf, the car version of your van. I want one of the ENV200s but don't have a use for it. they're great little vans. I do about 18k per year mostly for work up and down the UK. It gets abused by family life and feels like a van with the amount of stuff we end up lugging around in it. A bit more range would be handy, but costs a whole lot more. Got mine for many of the same reasons, my old diesel was a bloody nightmare for maintenance. Still not had my brakes done after 3yrs & 41k plenty left still on them.
Those Nissans are the best value for money EV ever made
I am not a tradesman and I don't have a van. However I do have an electric Nissan Leaf 2nd generation. Only 40kW battery with 165 average distance. I have had it since new so nearly 6 years old. Battery still shows 100% capacity so no degradation. I would never go back to an ICE vehicle. Hope to upgrade to VW ID3 with bigger range, 250 miles soon. BTW, heat pump in the pipeline so to speak.
I have been thinking of changing one of my vans to electric and would use a Vito as that’s the vans we currently have. I do like to be warm though so need a good heater.
get one with a heat pump heater - they are not going to eat the battery in the cold
I was disappointed with the last vivaro-e we tried, though nothing is worse than the lwb transporter-e. That said we cover kent-sussex-surrey and it was making for 10-12 hour days including charging out on site. If we could use it as just a city van for Brighton and didn't do reactive calls across county lines it would have been fine. Hopefully the battery density in a couple years will make for a better experience, currently having to pick between range/load volume/load weight is not compatible for our business model.
I’ve been driving a Peugeot e Expert for almost 9 months now, I love it, could be a bit bigger but that’s a small compromise for all the other benefits of an EV, lovely to drive cheap to run low maintenance and service costs, I will never go back to the dark(Diesel) side again
I am looking at getting one of those soon
Im a vaillant engineer and there is a vaillant engineer currently trialling an electric van in england somewhere.. will be interesting to see how that goes and if vaillant decide to roll it out countrywide..
For service engineers you will probably need that 200 miles range. For vaillant this would be much cheaper on fuel and maintenance- however the cost of new fleet would be higher.
Most heat pumps we fit are vaillant as they have the best product on the market. I hope vaillant pushes even more into renewables and electric fleet would be a nice thing to see.
I drive an ev van for work. I love it. However I can't do long trips as 200miles is max. We get half that at a push.
I'm guessing full of install kit and ladders on top.
Local is brilliant and defrost mode I love in the mornings
Take it to Muxsan in the Netherlands, they'll sort you out with all sorts of range extenders!
The truth is that the ease of driving the van may well make you more productive, you will be certainly less tired at the end of the day. And don’t be afraid to ask customers if you can plug in, EV owners will definitely say yes and so will most of other customers.
Got a e-NV200… you’re right… heater is too powerful and saps too much range, range is 50 miles too low and it’s a bit small… however they are getting cheap now!
e-Expert or Maxus e-Deliver 3 would suit you better I think.
In principle I'd be happy to get an Electric Van. However, one thing that you omitted:- The Purchase cost !
Plus + :- The cost of your home Charger
Due to the established market, a good quality used van can be bought by someone running a small family business. However, by contrast Electric vans are in a completely different price range i.e out of budget for most small businesses.
If I could get an Electric van for the cost of a 10 year old diesel, I'd have one instantly. This, I feel is the central problem, once that is resolved we can have quite roads
both new electric and diesel vans these days are insane money. However, you can lease an electric for almost the same cost as a diesel and not have to spend on diesel. I bought this for cash for £12k+ Vat (2 years old) - same money as same size 2 years old diesel.
There are quite a few vans available now in the european market, did you end up with the EN-V 200 because of price? Nissan first generation ev's like the EN-V 200 and Leaf are somewhat famous for batteries that don't have the greatest lifespans. I saw the same when I owned a 2015 Leaf, but for the purpose I used it for and especially the second hand price it was excellent.
Most important tip in the winter is to preheat the car while its still plugged in. The most range is lost during the initial heating up. Afterwards a heatpump in the car will pull around 1kw.
Regarding the brakes' longevity, one peculiarity with EVs is that because of the regen and less frequent use of the brakes, the discs tend to rust and caliper pistons seize more often than in an ICE vehicle. I am an EV owner and they make total sense but only if you can charge at home on a cheap tariff. If you solely rely on public infrastructure for charging then you will be paying the same or even more in "fuel" costs compared to a diesel or petrol vehicle.
Yep - you need home charging - otherwise it gets expensive. Marie is managing without home charging and still prefers EV to a diesel
With the brakes, use someone like Cleevely for the servicing, they will take the brakes apart and grease them so they dont stick 👍 They're mobile too so you dont even have to go anywhere!
We run 4 electric vans in our fleet, 1 Nissan Env200 and 3 Maxus eDeliver3s - Soo much cheaper to run compared to ICE vehicles. Once the guys get used to driving them it's much more convenient too.
Would be amazing if you can charge it a bit, even if it's slow charging, at the client. Maybe some small street chargers or the clients themselves increasingly have a box and would let you use it.
Perhaps look at the newly announced E-Sprinter for a lot more space and a decent range.
If it was a cold day when you DC quick charged the van early on in the video, the range improved because the charging warmed the battery. Batteries work best at a certain temperature, not too hot or too cold. I’m not certain about your new Nissan van but earlier models lacked thermal battery management which can reduce range when they get too cold or too hot. It also is the reason they Nissan Leafs have a poor reputation for battery longevity.
Hi, I have a 2014 Nissan Leaf, with more than 220.000km and a battery SOH of 72%. So, yes electric is the only way to go.
Depends where you work. In a city, sure, maybe. My area is too rural
Yep, EVs don't work in rural areas. I tried leaving the city once and broke down straight away.
Not trying that again, learnt my lesson.
@@bobsmith-dn1xwHas your diesel never broken down?
@@normanboyes4983 I don't have a diesel, been driving EV's for 8 years now. It was meant to be a joke. I didn't understand the comment about not working in rural areas.
@@bobsmith-dn1xw Ok got it.🤣
@@bobsmith-dn1xwi’m guessing they are referring to potentially greater distances between jobs in a rural area and more scarce chargers compared to urban areas and possibility of chargers being in use when you find one.
2 EVs in now, had a Skoda Enyaq, brilliant car (slightly crappy/frustrating software!), and now downsized to a Renault Zoe. No way I'd go back to ICE. Have a diesel T5 (camper van) on the drive that barely gets used now. Same stats EV vs ICE - 2p/mi vs 20p/mi - makes it hard to justify the ICE now. It does seem that the EV vans are for some reason being limited to 100-150mi, they dont seem to want to put bigger batteries in them, shame as a bit more juice and I think a lot of trades would love them (if they tried like you did!)
It's because of load capacity. Put a bigger battery in: can't carry as much stuff, and vans are bought on load capacity, although I don't suppose most plumbers have a tonne of stuff in the back? Not helped by the 3500Kg licence limit weight.
I want a Transit custom/ Vivaro size (preferably LWB) that will do 200 miles in winter, with vehicle to grid. We are so close, but you can't actually buy that yet. So I'm going to have to get a diesel Vivaro for a another year or two (going to see one this week) until someone makes the van we all want. I actually don't really care about the cost. I don't _like_ it, but I'd pay 70K for the right machine. The Buzz is nice but it's just a bit too small.
It would be great if you could get hold of an eVito and see if that's the way forward
Is it that bad?
@@UrbanPlumbers No, it is a bigger van with a bigger battery. It also has a faster charging rate with CCS, so more chance of finding a charger.
I don’t have to run a van and i’m neither pro or anti EV, clearly depending on personal circumstances, they work for some and not others. There are many variables contributing to overall running costs, so it is difficult to generalise, but it would be interesting to see an assessment of the true overall cost of EV/ICE ownership. I guess most people are leasing EV vans, if a van battery is typically 8 year or 100k miles, it won’t be an issue from new, but i’m guessing the depreciation and value of a van with 100k plus miles or older van will plummet, because the risk and cost of potentially having to replace the battery is high? Clearly ICE vans also depreciate in value, but vans regularly exceed 250k miles in their lifetime usually but not always on the same engine. Has the apparent significant increase in the costs of new vans in last few years, not just been about the fallout from the wu-han flu, bank of England printing money for fun leading to high inflation and lack of parts and vans due to lockdowns. The higher cost of ICE vans has been useful in making the EV vans a more palatable alternative?
The cost of a new decent electric van is huger than diesel, but maintenance a diesel is very high. I have had my diesel from new (bought out right) and it costed my £6k in 5 years in servicing. 80k miles - new injectors, new clutch (twice), new timing belt, new breaks and discs and tons of smaller things.
For comparison a mate of mine has been running an NV E 200 for 6 years now / total maintenance cost for him has been £0 as he never even took it to the garage in that time.
Also diesel cost me around £3,200 a year. Electric for the same milage would cost 300 a year.
For now I keep both - fully maintained diesel and EV - as this will just extend the life of both vans while lowering my running cost.
I can see going full electric for both my van and car very soon.
@@UrbanPlumbers Thanks for the reply, i don’t doubt your figures, but it doesn’t actually cover the total cost of the vehicle ownership or lease, which is what i was interested in. For example, for simplicity just on fuel it costs £2900/year more for your ICE, but if the vehicle costs more than that in the first place or depreciated faster, then it isn’t more economic. I appreciate with ULEZ type charges etc there are other advantages, I also doubt electricity rates will reduce (likewise with petrol/diesel) as more people charge at night companies will increase rates. Road charging per mile is also inevitable with EVs, so the government can recover the loss in fuel duty revenue, obviously this will affect both EVs and ICE vehicles. People often have PV panels for even cheaper charging but seldom include the cost of these in assessing their overall costs. I repeat, I’m not anti EV, although i dislike being forced into one, when i have perfectly serviceable ICE vehicles, that if you consider whole life environmental cost are far less impact than building new vehicles every 3-8 years.
Changing subjects I enjoy your channel, my son is a plumber, just completing his gas safe, I’m looking forward to your assessment of your own house heating etc, I’m looking to upgrade my own Glowworm gas boiler that is now 35+ years old, yes not too efficient now, but hasn’t missed a beat in the 23 years it has heated our house and water. I’ll probably go for a new gas boiler, i suspect like EV/ICE debate the current air source heat pumps aren’t yet for me, again i be interested in a true assessment of the potential cost savings compared to installation and equipment costs, i’m not sure the upfront cost would be that beneficial in terms of payback period but I look forward to your own cost assessment, apologies for my ramblings🤦♂️
@@UrbanPlumbers Two clutches in 5 years! What are you doing to the poor thing? Bit sad the injectors not even lasting 80K. Mine are at 196k (Peugeot expert XUD engine) with one servicing (to be fair they are a bit knackered now and could use an overhaul, I suspect).
What van is that?
@@xxwookey just failed again today - breaks on the front wheel gone and electrical fault - no brake lights - stopped by police and taken to court now for not maintaining the van - although it spends more time in a Ford garage than it spends on the road. Fords customs are pretty horrible once they hit 80K+ miles.
@@UrbanPlumbers Interesting. AIUI the ford custom is essentially the same van as the next VW transporter (which is pretty radical). So most campers are going to be based on this platform from next year. Lots of people are going to be annoyed if they are unreliable/expensive. I had considered one - they look quite nice.
Technology has come on a long way since the EN-V 200 came out, which was 10 years ago. Many of them have almost double the range and have built in heat pumps so barely use any energy to keep warm.
Yes, but Nissan is the only E Van that you can get for under £20k.
Do the vivaro/citroen/peugeot vans have a heat pump? I didn't think they did? The Buzz definitely doesn't despite the price (this year's model should have, I hear).
They suit specific scenarios but we're still a long way off as a replacement for general van use IMO. It would be useless for me.
I seriously considered it last year and was looking at the electric transit. I prefer to buy a van outright rather than lease, so was worried about the value of the battery later on down the line.
Ended up buying a new diesel sprinter instead....
If you're talking 8+ years, i.e. out of battery warranty, I think I'd be equally woried about the diesel being banned from many city centre's.
If your looking for a decent electric van go for the Vauxhall e Vivaro 75kWh. 190 miles range even in winter. Summer you can get more if you keep it steady. 👍
Interesting. Is that town/motorway/mixed? I had heard it was worse than that with some motorway driving? Someone in these comments said they get 150 reliably. 190 even in winter I could just about get by with.
Yes just keep it at 60mph and you’ll do just fine. If you want extra range it’s easy to do if your desperate. Fan speed 1 on the windscreen 18-19 degrees and that will use way less energy wasting it on keep the cab warm. Keeps the glass clear and you can eeek out extra miles. I’d did the NC500 in 8-9 degrees doing 50-60mph and had no trouble getting 180 miles without trying. If I just smash the heating on permanently and drive it like a diesel hire van then sure I could drain that 75kWh battery in 140-150 miles no problem.
@@markgaudie80 Thanks. Useful info. I'm already a 60mph person anyway to keep diesel efficiency up so that's no problem.
@@markgaudie80 Ooh, and now I've found ampervans via a trip report you wrote. That would be a good way to have a go without spending 80 grand up front.
@@xxwookeyI’ve bought the van off him now. Got a nice deal on it I’ll be honest.
Just put an order in for 2 maxus LDV electric vans, can’t wait for them to be delivered 😊
Charge to 80% then move on. Will slow down if you go behind 80% 😂
Small battery so cheeses to 90% in under 40min
Electric vans today are currently where passenger EVs were in like 2014 - much left to be desired.
True, let’s hope it improves soon
Are we then reliant on an electricity grid supply? And what happens if there's a power strike, or other National Grid problem?
My VW T4 1.9 2001 diesel engine will naturally run on vegetable oil without any modifications.
You're reliant on a supply chain of diesel at the moment which as we see occasionally can have constraint issues when one faction falls out with another.
As for the grid supply, there is no issue there. National Grid have said numerous times, not every vehicle is/can be changed to EV overnight. They can't build them fast enough. Any upgrades to the grid required to reinforce at local levels are being done as the transition progresses. In terms of generating capacity, we have a large margin at the moment from energy efficiency measures over the past 15 years. I fact electricity consumption has been falling each year for the past decade, even with the current increasing uptake in EVs.
Did you use cooking oil in your van when we had the fuel shortages a couple of years ago?
I'll take a half hour power cut over a fortnight of fuel shortages every time.
Not everyone runs a fish and chips shop mate
I've got the smaller battery version of that van. I've been running it for over 5 years. It's a bit small but lovely to drive. Hopefully, I'm swapping it for the 40kwh version this weekend! Looking forward to the extra range as this winter has been a struggle.
If I lived someplace where power cuts were a regular problem I'd get a second hand diesel generator. For most people it won't be a problem though.
Funnily enough for this channel the Tesla has a heat pump to get the best out of the battery for heating - which makes me wonder if vans have them too?
Not mine :(
I live in a 2nd floor flat so no chance of home charging , public charging stations work out far more expensive than filling a diesel van with fuel so I’m afraid it’s a EV no no from me..
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How much are your local chargers costing? Fast chargers can be more than diesel, but local slow chargers shouldn't be worse (might be about the same, but worse is surprising). It's certainly true that people with low tarrif/PV home chargers do way better than the public network.
If the heating is too quick and too hot, try turning down the flow temperature 🤣
Wait until solid state batteries come on stream, it will be a game changer, no reason not to have one then 👍
They have been promising SS batteries since the mid 80’s, but none have gone into mass production, although Toyota look like it may happen in 2027? Apparently they will be more expensive though and require an increased quantity of rare metals. But hey if the plan is to force more people of the road with ‘cheaper electric’ vehicles, that’ll be goal achieved
ID. Buzz Cargo gets better range but the price...
And 6 months waiting time
Just a thought for you. It may be cheap per mile of travel; but don't forget, those batteries will need replaced. And earlier, the more charging cycles you do. Thanks for sharing.
Those batteries last longer than my 5 years Old Ford custom - new clutch, new timing belt, new injectors - £6k in servicing in 5 years and £15k in diesel.
How true is it that EV's go through tires a lot quicker because their increased weight? And torque?
Yes it is. You need serious spec tyres for V vans
I owned a Nissan E-NV200 for a few years and used it for window cleaning carrying a 600KG water tank in the rear (400KG water) and never had to change the tyres once! The cheap running costs plus a fun driving vehicle made it a real winner!@@UrbanPlumbers
That is nonsense. Tyres last much longer on account of the smoother drive. I have owned EVs since 2017 and covered thousands of miles. I changed the tyres as they had got old and the sidewalls had perished, not because the tread had worn. I understand that this all originates from a discredited academic who put bricks in his petrol car. Many electric vehicles are not much heavier than their petrol or diesel equivalent. Of course, with a van it depends how much you load it. As always, the biggest factor is the way you drive.
@TheBigT. We have 2 of those vans. Both had flat tyres much more than any other ice cars. Also other driving electric vans report much more blow outs. EV are great but tyres are 100% more problematic than on diesel vans.
You can get very hard abrasion EV tyres and if you drive carefully they last quite well.
I did 26k miles on my EVs tyres and only had to swap them because of a sidewall impact. Tread was fine otherwise.
I don’t drive but i love the fact i charge my electric bike from the solar on the shed and never need to visit Texaco garage for petrol every other day! The idea is need fuel to dive to a place to get fuel is something we’ll look back on in 5 years time and be like WTF 😂
Drive a car btw and the spelling errors aren’t mine but AI, i spelt correctly but China refuted!
Have a Tesla model 3, no way would I go back to a petrol or diesel and I’m a petrol head! Next on the list is an EV van.
Electric vans are miles off that's why when you look at the pricing of the used one with not many miles they have dropped through the floor.
They are around 50 miles off - well mine is 😀
Transit Customs look nice but are a pain in the a£&
69p/kWh it said on the charger. Since the best electric vehicles do 3.5 miles per kWh, that's 69p/3.5 = 20p/mile - provided it's a warm day and you don't need the heaters on - in the cab to keep you warm and in the battery pack to stop low temperature inefficiency.
Two skilled people drinking coffee for half an hour when they could have been earning is at least another £40 onto the cost of refilling, more than doubling the cost per mile.
And then there is the extra cost of an electric vehicle, some of which is paid by all of us via the purchase price subsidy.
On top of that, well over half the charging electricity comes from fossil fuels anyway because there are long periods during which the wind doesn't blow and far too much from chopping down 4 million North American trees a year to burn in Drax power station.
Then there are more PM10, small polluting particles, produced by electric vehicles than diesel ones because they are heavier and chew up more tyre rubber.
Compare that with a diesel van. With diesel at £1.45/litre, or £6.60/gallon, and 45 miles to the gallon, that's 15p/mile.
It's an interesting exercise but I'm not sure it helps the either the planet or your pocket.
show me the free diesel bowser outside your house...
I agree on most points, public charging is a joke now. In 2yrs I've seen it go from ~20p/kWh to over a quid at some places. If you can't charge at home then EV isn't the way to go right now. Saying that, you can get cards on subscription that drop the prices right down to 30p/kWh(ish).
WRT to the PM10, that has been debunked. A lot of owners, inc myself have seen that we go through tyres much slower than ICE. The cars may weigh more but they dont chew tyres (unless it's a Tesla and you have a heavy right foot!).
Plus even though 'half the electric is fossils', do you know how much energy goes into refining diesel? It's way more than producing electric from gas, so EV is still better. If you get on a tariff like Octopus Intelligent Go, they will charge the car when its greenest. Up here in Cumbria I can see the typical CO2/g/kWh is very low overnight, often dropping into single digits (grid average is something like 150 I think?). And we are only going to add more and more renewables and green energy. I do agree about Drax, its not great and if the stories of cutting down virgin old forest in Canada is true then its really despicable. I have biomass at my house and the pellets come from sustainable forests in Scotland, but given the amount of renewables we have now, I will be switching to ASHP some time this year as its cleaner in energy generation and also for local air quality.
DPFs , brake dust , drive belt particulates , adblue , Fuel leeks , lube leeks , Nox , being OPEC+ dependent they have it all going for them diesels.
must be hard to breathe up there on your high horse
The particle pollution you bring up is totally disingenuous. EV's do produce slightly more particle pollution from tyres than diesels *BUT* those are dwarfed by the particle pollution from diesel exhaust and brakes discs which are absent in EV's. The exhaust alone makes up around 70-80% of all particle pollution from diesel vehicles so you are comparing a slight increase in one small area to compare in your favour, while ignoring the rest.
Even if all electricity came from coal, and taking into account transmission losses, it would still be cleaner to use EV's than diesel from a CO2 emissions to miles driven perspective, and local air quality is many times better. Electricity companies are incentivising EV users to charge their car when the wind is blowing and the sun is shining with cheaper rates so your average EV will have a greener mix of fuels powering it than the average for the grid (which is getting better all the time). Also, biomass is like 3% of the grid annually - hardly worth mentioning in the grand scheme of things.
Also, there is no longer a subsidy in the UK for electric cars. That has ended as it fulfilled its purpose. Now the only subsidy is for vans, trucks and taxi's.
A lot of the time people have to finance the vans which probably cost the same as diesel per month.
How is that any different to an ICE van?
@@jamesbarker7145 Diesels vans are free apparently.
Happy with diesel van's no electric for me
Aren't modern diesel engines a pain in the arse, endless issues dealing with the pollution control measures.
Yep - my transit custom has been a very expensive nightmare. One of the reasons I wanted to try electric
Happy with diesel but have you actually tried electric?
@cingramuk no ,I'm not interested at all. My m8 got an electric car . A few months ago, the car did not let him start the car because of bad weather😁
@@rezuk1208 I suggest he gets that looked at because that's not normal. I live in Cumbria and we have had spells of over a week in negative figures and my car has been fine. Extra bonus you can preheat it so it's defrosted and ready to go, no messing!
No thanks I'll keep my diesel 👍
Which model did you try?
@@jamesbarker7145 I didn't, I don't agree with electric vehicles on many levels not the right solution. Just my opinion
@@daniellaw5688 which levels?
@@jamesbarker7145 if we all went electric tomorrow there's no infrastructure, in many countries electric energy is the dirtiest to the environment to produce and lithium mining well there's a whole nother story there. Also we in England seemed obsessed with saving the planet but what we do is a drop in the ocean compared to China, India and America pollute this planet. We need proper solutions that are agreed worldwide not half baked ideas to put a sticky plaster over a big hole. That's my point like or not.
@@daniellaw5688 there is plenty of excess capacity at night when most people charge, but we won't all go electric tomorrow.
In most countries grid electricity is much cleaner than burning diesel or petrol. It certainly is in the UK.
What is your issue with lithium mining?
'We' as a country don't seem that obsessed. We could and should be doing much more. Also, they're bad so why should we be good is a terrible argument.
No way mate 😂
Keep fast charging those batteries an see how long they last 🤣
Won't bow to this rubbish keep my citroen diesel thanks 19 years old and just gone through mot yesterday no problem 93k on it absolutely bang on.
I'd probably do the same if I only drove less than 5,000 miles a year.
Those were great vans, I agree (I have a 25-year old Expert at 196k still passing MOTs), but EVs are not 'rubbish'. They are cleaner, quieter, easier/comfier to drive, and at some point we all have to stop burning fossil fuels, because it'll kill us eventually if we don't.
Don't buy an electric van.
Don't buy shares in them.
Buy shares in coffee shops because that's where you're all going to be spending the most time.
Most trades around here
So u drive it around all day drain the battery and stick it on charge at he house, so how do u get around after work to quote
It does over 100 miles on a single charge - good enough for days work. I do t quote after work - o do full day of quotes once every week or 2.
@UrbanPlumbers I do more than that a day then the charge time from zero to 100% . The amount of money I'd loose is more than putting diesel in a van to keep goin
You don't need to charge to 100%, just top it off at a rapid charger for 10-15 minutes to get you home. Overnight at home is when you really fill it up. If you don't have home charging though I would stick with diesel.
Im unsubscribing. All this electric crap is soul destroying
Bye 👋
I think you need to talk to "" Geoff buys cars"" on here,,,,he will explain the ""slavery "" involved in making EVs...Hope you get back to plumbing videos,,were you stand out more than the others..🇬🇧💯
I design parts for EVs, no slavery in this corner of Oxfordshire, maybe you should elaborate further, I assume you also have such concern for the "slavery" involved in making your clothing and other goods, or is it just EVs for some odd reason.
@@edc1569 You need to watch the videos of "" Geoff buys cars"" he explains it clearly,,,even for the most uneducated,,as for clothes etc etc,,that's none of your damn business,,we are discussing EVs last time I checked..
That guy who buys old cars and hates EVa and based his channel following on scaring people off EVs? He will fade into nothingness very soon - when people realise just how great EVa really are.
@@UrbanPlumbers have you seen where lithium and cobalt are mined? And how this is done?
@markb1487 I guess must be worse than oil coming from questionable countries?
No thanks I've had two electric vans .. useless.. absolutely no use to a commercial engineer
Why?