Great film! I always rather liked the 1960 stock and thought it was a shame they never got beyond the prototype stage. By the way, the ATO equipment on the Hainault to Woodford shuttle was decommissioned around 1986 and the trains reverted to manual driving after that. Not sure how widely known that is.
Some of the 1962 stock had been transferred to the Northern line to make up half of the 1959 stock train combination. They were also transferred from the Central line to the Northern in order to get rid of the 1972mk1 stock as they were poor in performance and reliability and to simplify crew training. One 1960 stock is now the track recording train with a modified 1973 Piccadilly line car in the middle.
Yes, in my opinion, having only 2 single-leaf doors on each side doomed it from the start really. Love all your videos by the way, it's great that this stuff gets put out.
@zenzombie72 CO and CP stock stood for Converted O and Converted P stock. Visually they were the same but many were fitted with the Metadyne machine which was an early form of electrical control over the acceleration/deceleration. The Metadynes did not fare well in service and were eventually replaced by conventional manual controls. Not all R stock was originally painted silver some started life in red and it was common to see mixed colours in one train in the early days.
I have never seen a tube station so empty before, let alone during what appears to be evening rush hour. It feels eerie in a way seeing a train enter and quickly leave a station without any passengers getting on or off. Makes me wonder what the normal service frequency must have been at the time...
The normal service was probably every 20 minutes, as it is today. But towards the end of the rush hour there were quite a few Grange Hill via Woodford trains (going to Hainault depot) and most passengers would have been on these, as they were through trains from west London.
@CoachAlex1996 Thanks Alex. There's more to come, including some underground trains from the 1920's and some which I took in the late 1980's! I was going to make a film about the trains on the whole line but realised that I had so much footage from this station alone that it would be better to make two films. The other film will come in due course. Simon
Some lovely sights and sounds of my favourite tube stock.. the 59/62 Tube stock which I grew up with ouut west in Ealing (I was built in 1960 myself! lol). Sadly looking very tatty by the time you filmed this but nevertheless making all the right sounds in all the right order! If only we could have a preserved 1962TS train running like we do the 38TS. Incidentally what's happened with the Cravens 3-car 1960 unit are cravens heritage trains still going do you know?
@citytransportinfo Online video certainly does have some R stock with sound. The film London Underground Review covers the farewell tour of R stock and this has real time sound in it complete with detonators & horn as it wailed its way into Ealing Common Depot after the tour. Sadly I only have it on VHS and my VHS recorder has given up the ghost. I think it may be available on DVD now.
yes, as I understand it the 62 stock was more or less identical to the 59 stock. At least it worked well, and for many years - unlike the 1983 tube stock.
@zenzombie72 Yes, the diagrammatic sequence of stations. I think that J&K Video and / or Online Video may have some films of these trains - with sound! When I filmed them I only had a silent super 8 camera. R stock trains had fluorescent tube lighting (inside) and some were unpainted aluminium - which is why the fleet became painted white (to match).
@Channel317666 Thanks. In due course I'll be uplifting films which include inside views of both the 1960 and 1962 stocks - need to find and scan some slides first. Simon
Alas, only silent. At one location I did experiement with a cassette recorder as some trains went by... but not very successfully. Spent this evening digitising the film of these trains - and one marked '1962 stock'! But, before uplifting to youtube I must look through some videotapes and scan all my still image films. So that is me 'very busy' for a while yet to come. Hopefully by Easter they will be ready. First I must finish digitising the super 8 films - *before the clocks change*.
@metadyneman There is more 1962 stock to come - I counted all my videotapes which have some London footage in them (some may only be a few minutes, others are wholly London) and there are over 25 of them! Some includes the 1962 stock. AIUI one or two trains still exist, albeit only for departmental use. I dont know whats happened with the Craven heritage train. I regret that there is no money for a CO/CP stock heritage train.
@zenzombie72 re the CP/CP/COP/R stock, my super 8 cine film projector has just returned from repair... I might be able to oblige, albeit 'silent only'. I'll also add some 35mm and 110 film still images as well. Internal and external views. What I don't have is an in-car route map for the Metropolitan & Circle line (as used on Hammersmith & City trains) - bit I do have for District & Circle line. Simon
@metadyneman I have a 110 film image of mixed colour doors on the same item of rolling stock. I also have a yellow painted Q stock... All slides and negatives need scanning - both surface and tube stocks. I feel like a child in a sweet shop - wanting to have it all 'right now'! Simon
It's interesting (or at least I find it interesting) that the '60 stock DM cars look slightly more modern than the mainstream '62 stock (The 2, rounded windows like the later 67-73 stocks as opposed to the 4 square windows of previous designs.) I suppose this shows the little changes made to the rushed '62 stock from the '59 stock.
@collieultimo Thanks, yes its a lovely station.... although I did not film them 'in years gone by' Buckhurst Hill, Fairlop and Barkingside are equally attractive. Simon
@@CitytransportInfoplus Well they did feature ato and had a similar profile so you're probably right about that. I do still find it odd how there were no newly built 60 stock trailers...
Barkingside is a real gem which has a little known attribute - because of the hope that Queen Victoria would visit the nearby Barnados childrens home this station was built more grandly that others on the line and it even has a cupola above the main station building. Two other stations that makes one think of a classic country station are Ruislip and North Ealing ... totally not what one would expect to be served by what could be called an 'urban metro'! (best to also see these stations from the outside, not just the platforms)
@citytransportinfo What is meant by in-car route map please? The overhead (in the case of A-stock) sequence of all the stations? Did you not record sound? Anything at all would be most appreciated. Also, if you could provide information about (or links to) the changing routes of the District line.....and maybe a recognition guide to CO, CP, and R stock. Were the white ones always R's? Alas, District Dave's work still leaves me unclear.
@@NC-002 one 1960 stock is noe the track recording train with a 1973 Piccadilly line stock modified trailer car. I recently saw it coming out of Neasden depot on the Metropolitan line
Sorry for the delayed reply, I had to search for this information. Originally Driving Motors Nos. 3910 and 3911 were used on the Track Recording Train but these were scrapped because they had asbestos in them. Nowadays DM Nos. 3901 and 3905 are used on the Track Recording Train. They are not seen in this film (but are seen in some other films). There were originally 12 of the 1960 tube stock DM's. 3900 - 3911. Of these Nos. 3906 - 3911 were found to have asbestos and scrapped. My information came from the book "London Underground Rolling Stock by Brian Hardy. (1990 edition)
Asbestos is used as an insulating material. Trains which have it are OK as long as it is fully enclosed. The issue is that after many years it was found that asbestos dust causes serious and frequently fatal diseases. Trains which contain asbestos have to be burnt by a special extra hot process which melts the asbestos - this then cools as an inert substance. more information: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos
@Great_WesternTVFan it did that to avoid confusion at Woodford. From 2020 thou the section has gone back to being a shuttle with only 3 peak through trains from Grange Hill via Woodford to central London
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Fascinating to see what Chigwell looked liked back in the day! Still remember when it used to close at 8pm!
I like these classic style railway stations - you made an excellent portrait of this one.
This brings back memories
Great film! I always rather liked the 1960 stock and thought it was a shame they never got beyond the prototype stage. By the way, the ATO equipment on the Hainault to Woodford shuttle was decommissioned around 1986 and the trains reverted to manual driving after that. Not sure how widely known that is.
Some of the 1962 stock had been transferred to the Northern line to make up half of the 1959 stock train combination.
They were also transferred from the Central line to the Northern in order to get rid of the 1972mk1 stock as they were poor in performance and reliability and to simplify crew training.
One 1960 stock is now the track recording train with a modified 1973 Piccadilly line car in the middle.
some of the 1972 Mk1 stock has ended up running with the Bakerloo line 1972 Mk2 trains
Thanks.
Very good movie.
Very Good video simon, nice to see the old trains!
very very interesting thankyou for posting
..and I'm plased that you found my films to be of interest.I have some more views from other stations on the Hainualt - Woodford service to come.
Yes, in my opinion, having only 2 single-leaf doors on each side doomed it from the start really. Love all your videos by the way, it's great that this stuff gets put out.
@zenzombie72 CO and CP stock stood for Converted O and Converted P stock. Visually they were the same but many were fitted with the Metadyne machine which was an early form of electrical control over the acceleration/deceleration. The Metadynes did not fare well in service and were eventually replaced by conventional manual controls. Not all R stock was originally painted silver some started life in red and it was common to see mixed colours in one train in the early days.
I love when the newspaper falls off at 8:58
I have never seen a tube station so empty before, let alone during what appears to be evening rush hour. It feels eerie in a way seeing a train enter and quickly leave a station without any passengers getting on or off. Makes me wonder what the normal service frequency must have been at the time...
The normal service was probably every 20 minutes, as it is today. But towards the end of the rush hour there were quite a few Grange Hill via Woodford trains (going to Hainault depot) and most passengers would have been on these, as they were through trains from west London.
@CoachAlex1996 Thanks Alex. There's more to come, including some underground trains from the 1920's and some which I took in the late 1980's! I was going to make a film about the trains on the whole line but realised that I had so much footage from this station alone that it would be better to make two films. The other film will come in due course.
Simon
That was very nice. Thanks.
Some lovely sights and sounds of my favourite tube stock.. the 59/62 Tube stock which I grew up with ouut west in Ealing (I was built in 1960 myself! lol). Sadly looking very tatty by the time you filmed this but nevertheless making all the right sounds in all the right order! If only we could have a preserved 1962TS train running like we do the 38TS. Incidentally what's happened with the Cravens 3-car 1960 unit are cravens heritage trains still going do you know?
@citytransportinfo Online video certainly does have some R stock with sound. The film London Underground Review covers the farewell tour of R stock and this has real time sound in it complete with detonators & horn as it wailed its way into Ealing Common Depot after the tour. Sadly I only have it on VHS and my VHS recorder has given up the ghost. I think it may be available on DVD now.
yes, as I understand it the 62 stock was more or less identical to the 59 stock. At least it worked well, and for many years - unlike the 1983 tube stock.
Looking forward to more '62 stock uploads. Still desperate for some CO/CP.
@zenzombie72 Yes, the diagrammatic sequence of stations.
I think that J&K Video and / or Online Video may have some films of these trains - with sound!
When I filmed them I only had a silent super 8 camera. R stock trains had fluorescent tube lighting (inside) and some were unpainted aluminium - which is why the fleet became painted white (to match).
@Channel317666 Thanks.
In due course I'll be uplifting films which include inside views of both the 1960 and 1962 stocks - need to find and scan some slides first.
Simon
Alas, only silent. At one location I did experiement with a cassette recorder as some trains went by... but not very successfully.
Spent this evening digitising the film of these trains - and one marked '1962 stock'!
But, before uplifting to youtube I must look through some videotapes and scan all my still image films. So that is me 'very busy' for a while yet to come. Hopefully by Easter they will be ready. First I must finish digitising the super 8 films - *before the clocks change*.
Yes, in its very early days.
@metadyneman There is more 1962 stock to come - I counted all my videotapes which have some London footage in them (some may only be a few minutes, others are wholly London) and there are over 25 of them! Some includes the 1962 stock. AIUI one or two trains still exist, albeit only for departmental use. I dont know whats happened with the Craven heritage train. I regret that there is no money for a CO/CP stock heritage train.
@zenzombie72 re the CP/CP/COP/R stock, my super 8 cine film projector has just returned from repair... I might be able to oblige, albeit 'silent only'. I'll also add some 35mm and 110 film still images as well.
Internal and external views. What I don't have is an in-car route map for the Metropolitan & Circle line (as used on Hammersmith & City trains) - bit I do have for District & Circle line.
Simon
@metadyneman I have a 110 film image of mixed colour doors on the same item of rolling stock. I also have a yellow painted Q stock...
All slides and negatives need scanning - both surface and tube stocks. I feel like a child in a sweet shop - wanting to have it all 'right now'!
Simon
It's interesting (or at least I find it interesting) that the '60 stock DM cars look slightly more modern than the mainstream '62 stock (The 2, rounded windows like the later 67-73 stocks as opposed to the 4 square windows of previous designs.) I suppose this shows the little changes made to the rushed '62 stock from the '59 stock.
@citytransportinfo Excellent.. if you have any R stock with sound too that would be fantastic!
@collieultimo Thanks, yes its a lovely station.... although I did not film them 'in years gone by' Buckhurst Hill, Fairlop and Barkingside are equally attractive.
Simon
Those old trains sounded so 1967/1962 stock
@hakc97isback some of my videos were filmed when both types of train were in use, but no I dont have any 'contrasts' as such.
Also I notice that the 60 stock sounds rather similar to the 67 stock. Might not be a coincidence...
I too noticed this, I suspect that the 1960 DM's acted as prototypes for the Victoria line 1967 fleet
@@CitytransportInfoplus Well they did feature ato and had a similar profile so you're probably right about that. I do still find it odd how there were no newly built 60 stock trailers...
Platforms seem very long !! Made for trains plus loco..
Barkingsude looks a classic country station
Barkingside is a real gem which has a little known attribute - because of the hope that Queen Victoria would visit the nearby Barnados childrens home this station was built more grandly that others on the line and it even has a cupola above the main station building.
Two other stations that makes one think of a classic country station are Ruislip and North Ealing ... totally not what one would expect to be served by what could be called an 'urban metro'! (best to also see these stations from the outside, not just the platforms)
@citytransportinfo Well I look forward to that film!
@bronzeonion yes; and other TV progs :-)
@bronzeonion indeed so, yet they do it!
so much for 'continuity'! which is supposed to check that everything is correct.
@citytransportinfo What is meant by in-car route map please? The overhead (in the case of A-stock) sequence of all the stations?
Did you not record sound? Anything at all would be most appreciated.
Also, if you could provide information about (or links to) the changing routes of the District line.....and maybe a recognition guide to CO, CP, and R stock. Were the white ones always R's? Alas, District Dave's work still leaves me unclear.
The trailers within the 1960 stock look like 1938 cars, note the pull down windows. Were these silver or white in colour?
+PsychicLord They are indeed 1938 stock trailers. I believe they had 2 Standard Stock trailers before they recieved the 1938 ones
@@NC-002 one 1960 stock is noe the track recording train with a 1973 Piccadilly line stock modified trailer car.
I recently saw it coming out of Neasden depot on the Metropolitan line
I know this is a late question but is the white 1960TS the Track Recording Train?
It was in normal passenger service.
No but is it the TRC now?
Sorry for the delayed reply, I had to search for this information.
Originally Driving Motors Nos. 3910 and 3911 were used on the Track Recording Train but these were scrapped because they had asbestos in them.
Nowadays DM Nos. 3901 and 3905 are used on the Track Recording Train. They are not seen in this film (but are seen in some other films).
There were originally 12 of the 1960 tube stock DM's. 3900 - 3911. Of these Nos. 3906 - 3911 were found to have asbestos and scrapped.
My information came from the book "London Underground Rolling Stock by Brian Hardy. (1990 edition)
Final question on this topic: what are asbestos and what would've happened if they weren't scrapped?
Asbestos is used as an insulating material. Trains which have it are OK as long as it is fully enclosed. The issue is that after many years it was found that asbestos dust causes serious and frequently fatal diseases. Trains which contain asbestos have to be burnt by a special extra hot process which melts the asbestos - this then cools as an inert substance.
more information:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos
I'm confused, does the shuttle line between Woodford and Hainult still exist?
at present its served by through trains from Central London via Hainault. These show the destination of "Woodford via Hainault"
Then why I heard an announcement say from Woodford "This is a central line train to Hainult"
@Great_WesternTVFan it did that to avoid confusion at Woodford. From 2020 thou the section has gone back to being a shuttle with only 3 peak through trains from Grange Hill via Woodford to central London