I hope he wasn't shadowbanned, I've had that problem with some of my favorite channels, you make a comment and then you log out and your comment isn't under "sort by new".
1:11:47 That intro and Moosley bursting out laughing at the screaming children and holy music is the greatest gift Cinemawins has ever accidentally given us.
Didnt cinemawins say in the The rise of skywalker video that tension was never a big deal for him but now he loves when the protagonists are barely escaping a falling fortress with debris barely missing them??? He shouldn't feel anything because he knows Nat lives because this is a prequel.
I wonder if Illumination will do the standard “family movie” faire by adding pop references that will die a year after the movie’s release. I dread the day Tiktok becomes a reference in standard family movies, especially this one.
I've always said CinemaWins is a shill and is the sort of NPC movie watcher that will clap for anything. He is the ideal consumer. And this coverage of his video further reinforces my stance.
I've said since his tlj video that he's worse than cinemasins. With sins you can dismiss him as being dumb, or just not paying attention, or trying to tell a joke. With Wins best faith is he's lying his ass off
I don't think Wins shills any movies. I think he genuinely believes he doesn't sound like a dumbass when he says these things. Sins looks to be annoying because it gets clicks. Wins thinks he somehow adds to discourse to movies by not understanding what's happening on screen. He is as NPC as it gets too. The perfect mark for a hack writer.
@@-Azure.EXE- CinemaWins is the kind of fool who's still chained to the floor in Plato's Allegory of The Cave, but who thinks he's some enlightened erudite because he recognizes the shapes of the shadow puppets on the wall. He's only so outrageously, inexcusably popular because there are millions of people just as ignorant, stupid, and patronizingly easy to entertain as he is. And people have the audacity to call Robert Heinlein a fascist for his (correct) assertion that universal suffrage is a mistake.
"This character is dead." To be fair she is a comic book character. Being dead is hardly a sign of finality. Entering into a lawsuit against the company on the other hand...
If you told me that Seth Rogen and Jack Black were going to play Donkey Kong and Bowser respectively a week ago, I would have called you an amazing shitposter.
Hold on, I think we can all count on Jack Black to deliver. He's the only one of the cast who looks like he loved playing Mario as a youngster and is more familiar with him. Seth Rogan is who I'm drowning at. He's the one who who better not fuck up. But that's just me.
@Arthur Brown It's easy to see that his """reviews""" have no substance but even if someone was to watch him for comedy, I don't see the comedy either. Majority of his "jokes" consist of "Hahaha Donkey Kong hehe" or explaining the things happening on screen in a changed voice.
I agree with Shad that the Mario universe throughout the games is kind of just a random mish-mash of stuff, but I think an intelligent writer with experience with world-building could take some bits here and there and make a coherent setting and storyline for a movie universe. Unfortunately, this is Illumination we're talking about.
I mean, the proof is in the pudding. Paper Mario, TTYD, and Super Paper Mario for just one set of spin-offs are pretty well-put together story-wise (hell TTYD is good by other series' standards). So we know it CAN work. Plus Jack Black could rock that kind of Bowser (not evil but more of a bombastic dick)
If they can take the feel of the games, the goofy, fantastical nonsense of it and just roll with it, there's tons you could do with a Mario movie. If anybody in the writers room even breathes the word 'grounded', though, it's done.
I mean... At least they understood live action was not a good idea for Mario ? I'm honestly wondering how you could do mario live action and it not be shit.
If I were to make a series of movies regarding the portly plumber, I would go in this direction. Movie 1: Origin story. How the Mario Brothers got to the Mushroom Kingdom and how and why Bowser kidnapped Princess Peach. It can be as basic as that. Any Movie after 1: Take one mainline game (any would suffice) after Super Mario Bros. and expand it or flip it on its head. I strongly believe Peach only needs to be kidnapped once in the first movie, but after that, Bowser can cause all sorts of trouble without taking her anywhere: she can be another supporting member of Mario’s team. Super Mario World can be about the brothers exploring a Dinosaur sanctuary that has been taken over by Bowser to use as an oil extraction facility. Super Mario 64 takes place in Peach’s Castle that has enchanted paintings slowly seeping their worlds into the building during the celebration of the Mario brothers’ Mushroom Kingdom anniversary. Super Mario Land 2 could be a court film about Mario trying to reclaim his house from real estate theft. It’s a series of family movies, it doesn’t have to throw every single Mario lore in the scale of two or three movies. Just shrink it down to the basics and build it up from there.
Ever since I started watching EFAP and took more interest in media analysis I became something of a media-nihilist. Every time I see a new, big budget movie or game coming out, I immediately presume that after watching/playing it I'll just want to get drunk in the shower and cry a tear for every second of my life wasted.
Learn to compart your subjective enjoyment and objective criticism. I can despise TROS all I want but I can still find enjoyment on the most basic of things.
@@JewishFrog I would say to just switch your focus when watching movies. For example, instead of just looking for problems, just watch it closely and try to identify both the good and bad or just things like you like/dislike
Remember to have fun, most media are for entertainment. Very recently, I have been watching How A Realist Hero Rebuild The Kingdom, it's a terrible adaptation on a terrible light novel but we watch it anyway because it's fun to diss on it. You don't have to be objective all the time.
I'm not suppose to say anything, but fuck it. The leaks are true. Daisy Ridley as Daisy, Keanu Reeves as Luma, Danny Devito as Wario, Jim Carrey as Waluigi, Eddie Murphy as Yoshi, Adam Sandler as Boom Boom, and Whoppi Goldberg as Plessie. And of course, our tried and true Ruby Rose as Rosalina.
5:23:15 Re, Alexey's tattoos What annoys me as a Russian is that very few American filmmakers actually get how Russian names function. Alexey or anyone in the family context wouldn't call her Yelena, pretty much ever. They would use the form "Lena" Same as Alexey wouldn't be called Alexey by them, he would be "Lyosha". The tattoo spelling out ЕЛЕНА instead of ЛЕНА feels fake and dumb
Cinema Wins is a black hole of media. He is a condensed version of so many people I talk to after seeing movies though. Satisfied just by the fact that moving pictures and sounds were happening, but they didn't pay any attention to what actually happened on the screen, and if you try to go beyond anything surface level, they treat you like you're a crazy person.
Or they call you a cinema snob/art student. No joke, I’ve heard that comment before, and it blows my mind. I just question the logic brought up in the film, and that’s apparently art student status?
@@GJGaming208 I was talking about The Suicide Squad with someone and said I really liked some of the characters but there were some other things that bothered me with the story, but I would definitely like a sequel just to see the characters again, and they said "one day you'll actually have fun watching a movie". As if it isn't possible to enjoy a movie AND acknowledge there are things wrong with it that you noticed while watching it.
@@WuTheBat I know family members that say the same thing, and it’s just depressing knowing they aren’t willing to call a spade a spade or a club a club when it’s right there. How else is a film or person going to grow unless they can acknowledge the criticism/answer for it? At the very least criticism can help yourself grow in some way, if the film creators refuse to look into it.
I can't believe CinemaWins didn't complement the score, which is easily the best part of the movie. And he didn't ding the part where Alexei sings American Pie to Yelena, either.
4:16:25 "Anyone else that can say that?" Yeah. Several of them. Including Thor. Hell, in his first movie he basically sacrificed himself by facing down a 15 foot robot that shoots lasers out of its face, with no powers, to save a ghost town with ten people in it.
Are there any of the original Avengers who haven't done that? Don't remember Hulk, but it definitely applies to Thor, Cap and Iron Man. Then there's Doctor Strange too in Infinity War and several other smaller characters
Iron Man - was willing to get himself blown up by his own arc reactor in order to stop Ironmongerer. Captain America - parachuted behind enemy lines wearing a stage uniform in order to save captured Allied soldiers. Thor - already mentioned. Basically the origin movie for each hero in Phase 1 of the MCU had each of them making incredible sacrifices to save loved ones or even strangers. Just because Black Widow is the only one who actually died as a result of her sacrifice doesn't mean anyone was giving up any less in their own stories.
@@HerohammerStudios Bruce: Jumps down from helicopter with anti-Hulk serum in his blood. Does the same in Ragnarok, fights in human form in Infinity War, snaps his fingers with little chance of surviving in Endgame.
I watched a RUclips video where an artist with like 1 million subs was complaining about 'unsolicited critique' on posted artworks (anywhere from Instagram to RUclips). The idea being that if I post an artwork online, I have to ask for it to be critiqued. What this person doesn't realise is saying 'The eyes are well proportioned' is critique, just positive. A lot of people aren't aware of what they say when the they argue against flaws being pointed out. They just want the CinemaWins treatment where they only want compliments in their bubble or else they might be dissuaded from posting because people are honest. They don't even make the distinction between valid criticism and the random 'go kill yourself'. It's all 'unsolicited critique'
Imagine being such an uninteresting content creator that people covering your video get on an hour long tangent designing a stream about ranking weapons, then arguing about Australian animals’ intelligence. Highlight of the stream for me, so far, but we’ll see what the next few hours bring. I take it back, the argument over Mauler’s “genuine fake” laugh is the best.
Correction: Charles has been Mario since 1995, but the point still stands. Why wouldn't he be Mario? He can talk a lot as the character just fine with more lines of dialogue. I know he's perfectly capable of this, because he's done this with Wario in WarioWare Gold.
@@jakesimpson3373 but does a Super Mario movie even need Hollywood actors to market it? Mario is one of, if not, the most well known Character in all of entertainment media.
@@itbesilly4544 I’m not saying it needed that to be marketable, but that’s almost definitely why they did it, the way a corporate executive’s minds work is an enigma
@@itbesilly4544 No it doesn't because the Mario name can sell on its own. Just the Pikachu (let alone Pokemon) name can sell on its own without help from Hollywood stars. Both castings are just Hollywood being Hollywood (aka acting like every brand needs a star's help to succeed) and Illumination is one of the biggest offenders.
@@jakesimpson3373 It doesn't need Hollywood actors to market it. It's Super Mario. It's already a prolific series everyone's familiar with. More people know who Mario is than any one Hollywood actor, that's just how popular and universal Mario is as a brand. This is disrespectful to games as an artform, if the people making this movie have such little faith in the brand they're working with, when it doesn't even need any validation.
"This film expresses the erroneous worldview towards the meta-wrongness often attributed to disestablishmentarism as applied to figments of expressions of idealistic piques of rage contained in imperialist fobbings." ~ Movie Bob's Sweaty Crevice
I find it funny that they changed Taskmaster to be a woman to fight sex-tisms when all they really did was pull out the classic "women can only fight women" trope.
From what I recall, emus won against the australian military every single battle. Then their government put a bounty on emus and the bloodthirsty populace hunted them down to the point the government had to put it away.
I never thought I see the day you couldn't tell the difference between Cinema Sins and Wins. Also, I had no appreciation for the cinema wins guy, but now it's clear he's turned into the Tommy Wiseau of RUclips: "Hahaha, I make unfunny joke about anything in movie, ding!"
Ugh, Jesus. Wins is just cringy as hell, huh? Even filtered through EFAP this is hard to watch. I'll at least give it to Sins, despite the terrible comedy throughout it, it's far more palatable. That said, even the idea of, "I'm Cinemasins, but I'm positive!" is stupid. Ignoring the obvious of how almost religious zeal when praising Consumer Product Numba-14xy is already a bad route, doing nothing more than pandering to normies looking for confirmation bias, it's not even accurate to Sins itself. Granted, it's been years since I've seen one of their videos, but they were never even that negative. Most sins are just terrible jokes or random points, not actual criticism of what's going on. As usual though, thanks to dumbass discourse (or lackthereof) the idea of, "Don't hate, just be positive!" gets too much undeserved praise be intellectual deadweights.
Sins at least once in awhile, maybe by accident, manages to get a laugh. Also with sins like worst case scenario he's just stupid, wins best case he's deceitful and a liar.
I mean, his whole reason for existing is to leech off popular media by releasing videos he knows the fans will upvote and promptly forget, thus securing his place in the youtube algorithm without having to do anything even remotely resembling effort or saying anything that's even remotely worth wasting the data of the upload on... and anyone who calls out the sheer worthless banality is automatically in the wrong because he's the one being positive... Cinemasins at the beginning actually tried to have meaningful critiques. Admittedly they've completely jumped the shark these days, but they actually made an effort at the start Cinemawins is the poster boy for parasitic white noise
@@redbearington3345 I think wins is completely sincere, but in some ways that's worse. Neither of these shows can provide a fair review within their formats. I think the Sins guys know that, but Lee seems to believe he's actually giving a good analysis.
@@DuneStone6816 Him being sincere wouldnt explain some of the things he says, neither would him just being stupid. Some of the things he gets wrong he can only be getting wrong by lying. Just the simplest is him defending TLJ by saying SW has always had Jar Jar binks style humor in it. You can't claim the OT had Jar jar binks type comedy in it, and be sincere.
@@redbearington3345 He’s wrong, but I can easily see how he could believe that. He probably equates the droid humor or the Ewoks to the Binks humor. As long as no one forces him to think more deeply about it, he can honestly lump those all together as “kid-appeal humor”.
But why Seth Rogen? Why him of all people? They could at least pick someone who is somewhat funny and isn't an asshole... This is why we can't have nice things.
@@puf-ecoother4679 do you have any idea how pathetic it is to say that someone's best and only enjoyable performance is voicing a character that gets, what? A total of 10 minutes of screen time hahaha and yeah you're totally right. Seth rogen is not funny and a waste of air
CinemaWins is stuck in the cycle of facing the shitiest of movies being released and for the sake of covering relevant movies he has to pick them to find something to appreciate.
Shrug, it partly seems to just taking common shounen tropes and applying it to the entire medium, and mostly it's just not being his thing evidentally. Which shouldn't be unexpected, a lot of anime has weak writing and simplified characters. It's a little frustrating to have the kind of outlandish action sequences that anime is I suppose infamous for doing get reduced to 'dumb shit happens', but hey ho.
I think it’s become part of his persona ever since he ran away, tail tucked away between his legs, from his ATLA controversy. He probably does it in part just to annoy chat, but I also wouldn’t put it past him. I find his taste questionable at times, he plays Anthem iirc after all…. I would add, if he genuinely hates anime, he’s only depriving himself. Having only just started getting into anime myself, it is an oasis from the kind of shitty, iterative, politically laden writing he often laments. Not all of it of course, but there is a ton of good stuff.
@@RiylanCorma He doesn't really try to distance himself. For one his channel pfp is cropped porn of his "sona" and secondly, have you seen his FA favourites?
As much as it pains me to say it, I’d say Wins is actually worse than Sins. Yes Sins is dumb, we all agree, but they are actually capable of taking away a sin if they think something is actually a win. Wins says something is a flaw but doesn’t take away a win, he still adds a win.
CinemaSins also is better to me about trying to handle their brand as a primarily comedy or "don't take me too seriously" channel, since their content is primarily just the obviously "quick quippy" sins and then end card. Admittedly I do comment on things in a manner similar to CS during the process of watching a movie, good or bad, so that is at least a mindset I kind of understand trying to put to content. CinemaWins has the Pseudo Video Essay opening and closing segments to at least their more controversial videos, so it feels significantly more transparent like he is in fact trying to use the video as a platform to speak a legitimate opinion, be it about the film in question (TLJ), a related film (Sequel Trilogy on TROS), or a related topic overall (the MCU here). The sincerity of those segments muddies the water on the CinemaSins-like win counting before hand, yet he still sticks to the similar "tick every little thing indiscriminately" criteria. The CS style is very unedited "Stream of Consciousness" in terms of what it points out, so attaching it to something you presumably script and proof-read at the end feels very out of place, and almost makes the overall video (or videos for 2-parters) feel disingenuous, akin to Dunkey's habit of "it's a joke when I'm criticized and sincere when I'm praised" attitude.
Honestly they're exactly the same. I used to have this nebulous memory of sins, but after watching the rise of skywalker sins/wins video, it's clear he's just as shit
Here's the thing: Jack Black Bowser COULD work, if they go for a more Paper Mario-Bowser, where he's less the 'bad guy' and more kind of a nuisance personality-wise. Fun and loud but kind of a dick
@@YourHuckleberry99 IMO it comes down to the direction. He's admitted in interviews that he relies heavily on direction when he's not sure where to go with a certain character, and it's done him good before
@@YourHuckleberry99 this may be a bit of a hot take, but i think Jack Black is funny when he's not trying too hard to be Jack Black, if you know what i mean. He's actually got good timing and an expressive voice. If he gets good material, it certainly can work... unfortunately this is Illumination, so i have no hope...
2:35:00 or so, it took a rewatch for me to notice that maybe Rags did actually watch a JAV at some point because he might have heard "Ikuuuu" and remembered it as yee-ke. As much as it devolved into a joke about Ike and how he's the best or whatever, this might have actually started as a recollection on something.
I kind of hate Marvel for what they’ve done to films. Nothing can just stand alone anymore, everything needs to be part of some larger universe. It’s just bad for filmmaking.
I know filled with IOU's down-the-line or retroactively every film is not bad if you can make another film that makes up for it. Did you know people are now unironically saying iron man 3 is not bad now because Now they're using the real Mandarin so the twist that was bad in that movie is now OK.
I think now more then ever, the universe feels smaller then ever. They are dealing with far larger entities but they still remain tiny when looking at the movies/series as a franchise. Loki and all the TVA being humans with very loose reference to other powerful entities. Black Widow having a world ending secret organisation but only including Black Widow. FATWS dealing with global restructuring of the governmental bodies but some rando group of slightly stronger car salesmen could actually threaten to enforce any of their beliefs. Plus they only send 2 avengers and a few agents to handle the situation when they have access to so much more. Shang chi having another powerful organisation and dimension with a universe ending threat. The universe is tied together by cameos.
@@ironbaysqiureg4827 Just like the games series that have so many sequels like Final Fantasy, Mario, Pokémon, Call of Duty, Assassin’s Creed, Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, and uh........Madden Every new game is considered a clean slate, any badness of past is ignored, It’s the reverse on the expression “You can do something right 1000 times. There’s no guarantee you won’t screw up on the 1001st” Now it’s “You can do something wrong 1000 times, there’s no guarantee that you won’t succeed on the 1001st”
Something to chew on: A broken clock is right twice a day. And since there are 86,400 seconds in a day, that means it is only right .00231% of the time each day. CinemaWins is that clock.
7:42:07 I mean... You're kind of comparing apples to oranges a bit here, Mauler. TLJ is a canon part of the Star Wars timeline and the Holdo Maneuver has massive repercussions on the entirety of the Star Wars timeline. The scene from Star Wars: Visions you described there is from a non-canon anime anthology short, where the shorts in question have no bearing on anything that happens in the canon universe. So yeah, I think it's fine for people to give it more leeway and enjoy what it has to offer. And I'm not saying this as someone trying to defend that short as being well written, I DO think that objectively, "The Twins" is insanely stupid and probably the worst written of all nine shorts. Like, why can the Twins be out in space without their suits, but the girl's robot servant needs to wear a helmet to survive? Why does the brother slicing through the Star Destroyer with his building-sized lightsaber not also cut his sister in half and just... breaks her armor instead? Why does Karre not need to give any sort of clearance to the guards or even tell them why he's there when he goes to steal the crystal? Where do ALL of those guards in front of the room with the crystal go once Karre actually steals it? Why would Karre and Am be the only ones allowed in, and not any kind of maintenance staff? And that's not even getting into the cringe dialog at times or Allison Brie's lackluster voice acting in the dub. It's a whole lot of really stupid stuff all in all. But at the end of the day, it's an anime short being done by Studio Trigger, the masters of style over substance, and it won't impact my thoughts on anything in the rest of the Star Wars universe, so I'm fully capable of turning my brain off and enjoying the spectacular visuals. Compared to TLJ, where the Holdo Maneuver is absolutely impossible for me to turn off my brain because of all the ramifications of how it affects the nature of space battles both past and future in the main series. They're completely different mediums in completely different universes with completely different intentions behind their creation (TLJ to further the story of the main saga by a man who doesn't care about the Star Wars canon, and Visions to be a different artist's interpretation of Star Wars mythos without the limitations of adhering to canon). I feel like you're being disingenuous to anime fans and acting like they'll lap anything up "because it's anime" and acting like people don't call out bad anime when they see it. Which they do, frequently. EDIT: Rewatched the short and realized some of my criticisms of it were wrong, but also found some other new ones to replace it with.
The is this an adaptation argument the long man makeing?!?!?!?!?!? Wooooooowww!!!!! I guess it's not a dumb argument after all you just said to apply to the right franchise
@@ironbaysqiureg4827 not quite. The adaptation argument is something where so long as a movie or story can operate in isolation, it doesn't need to be faithful to the source. However, if the story requires a third party in order to understand, it needs to be faithful to that source, otherwise it's just a bad story with no explanation for what is going on. Since all of these shorts refer to lightsabers, the force, jedi, Sith, and the empire, they absolutely do require third party sources to understand them, otherwise they are just all weird sci-fi acid trips with no rhyme or reason. Because they don't conform to the source, and don't explain their own rules, they are acid trips all the same. The best of them are about as good as TFA in terms of making sense and sticking to established rules, or creating their own, which isn't good in any respect.
@@aidanmattys7488 Dude your argument entirely just boils down to Is adaptation argument for me but not for thee. Because I can make the same argument that you need 3rd party knowledge for something like spider man homecoming because of their omission of Uncle Ben. the lack of Peter Parker struggling with finances. This absolutely requires 3rd party reading Because References webshooters, spider Spider sense and knowing his background. Or else it's just another generic Cape shit movie. See how this thing can be turned against you. It's either all or nothing either adaptations from the source material has to have some form of accuracy to be called genuine or it doesn't. I am consistent with my adaptation argument being valid. And not need to do mental gymnastics so I can maintain why iron lad is OK to be spider man but Star Wars anime Needs to be more consistent Endless high concept.
@@ironbaysqiureg4827 thing is mate, you don't need to know about uncle Ben or Peter's financial troubles for homecoming to operate. The webshooters and spidersense are already provided by civil war, which is within the existing universe. Adaptation argument doesn't work with homecoming because MCU spiderman can definitely exist and make sense in isolation
Regarding CinemaWins, this reminds me of Karl M... I mean, da Vinci's quote "It is as great an error to speak well of a worthless man, as to speak ill of a good man". It's perfectly applicable to media as well. Praising terrible work is actively hurting good and hard work, and we shouldn't just give a pass to smooth-brained clappers.
If we could just move video game movies away from the “a group of normal humans get teleported to the world of the game.” motif. I’m not sure why they feel we won’t be able to handle it if we don’t have human chariot “relate to.” There’s a reason what is considered the ok-est video game adaptation is Mortal Kombat and it sticks the closest to the events of the game it’s based on.
Yes. Add Transformers and Godzilla to that list. This whole idea that "I need to see a human to relate to a story" is such bs. And really just an excuse to throw celebrities in the movie to market.
Pokémon Detective Pikachu was awesome. One reason being is that instead of just throwing Pokémon into the real world, the movie created an alternate reality where humans and Pokémon co-exist with each other (kinda like Who Framed Roger Rabbit where humans and cartoons co-exist together), and not to mention that Ryme City is just an absolute sight and looks WAY BETTER than real life cities. It's almost similar to how Watership Down didn't just try to tackle serious issues like fate and peace with mortality, but created a world for the rabbits and present how they function as a civilization and even have their own religions, lores and philosophies. I wish more movies took notes from Detective Pikachu, Roger Rabbit or Watership Down and be more creative with their stories instead of just trying to mirror real life. Besides, real life is boring.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 Why can't we just have a Transformers or Godzilla movie that's animated and has no humans whatsoever? You could set the Transformers movie on Cybertron and form a story from there. And as for Godzilla, you could just have the visuals and the emotions and body language of the monsters explain everything that's going on. Hollywood clearly has the budget to do that, but NOOOOOOOOO, we just NEED to cut the budget and throw in some celebrities cuz We NeEd MuH hUMaN StoRyLiNeS.
There have been countless cartoon adaptations that contrive the characters’ existence in some way to hang out in the human world with some generic, expositing robots- I mean, “relatable, charismatic leads”. Alvin & The Chipmunks and The Smurfs were particularly notorious for dabbling in the oh-so-high art of relegating its cartoons to side characters that irritate but eventually come to love our heroes.
Nintendo and Illumination went crazy with the famous celebrities. If they were going to have a decent story in this movie, I think they should get inspiration from Mario Galaxy’s story or the Mario RPG games.
I hope whatever the movie Illumination decided to make, it doesn’t bleed into the games themselves. I can just imagine a game/movie tie-in with this film that has an even looser story, they use voice impersonators instead, and the gameplay will be surprisingly subpar. If that comes into fruition, we might be looking at the next Hotel Mario.
"Ethical vampire" The show literally sets up that they're monsters with no self control. The one person who spent a decade of his life learning to fight against addiction knew it was a losing battle, and he took himself out before he hurt the people he loved. The people who woke up immediately started feasting and created a horrifying bloodbath. They were going to spread over the earth, their hunger was never going to be kept in check. It was an apocalypse waiting to happen. The ending was set-up and executed very well. I do not understand how you can get so lost in knit-picking that you just miss the themes of the show. It's missing the forest for the trees.
Except for the Flynn parents who explicitly state as soon as they meet up again after the Mass, that they are able to resist the urge to feed on people, despite both having just been turned.
@@occultnightingale1106 because there were no humans present when they woke up. the impulse triggers on humans, as we saw when Riley was revived by paul. He had a conversation with him, but the sound of bev's beating heart made him lose control and it was only paul restraining him that prevented him from lunging at bev. i like that moment between them but since one of them isn't human, it lacks teeth. they were trying to comfort each other but while they are talking they are watching vampires hunt. the show doesn't have one of them disagree in that moment to dispute what he's saying, but it does immediately cut to them looking at a woman in the distance screaming and being tackled and fed on by two vampires.
When you realize that the Mario and Luigi games where successful as fuck WITHOUT Mario and Luigi talking, You know something is wrong when they casts well known celebrities as the characters in a Mario movie. I'm excluding Jack Black because I believe he'll deliver. But this Movie can work with the right writers, animation company, and great sense of humor from the Mario World franchise. But Mario and Luigi shouldn't be talking. This ain't Dorkly.
But they talk in the Mario and Luigi games it isn't English but they talk to each other. After bowser inside story it happens more frequently to some of the side characters.
@@bashooi If they're wasn't a text bubble for them, then they weren't talking as far as I'm concerned. They were still silent Protagonist. Like damn near every other RPG In existence. They weren't even speaking real Italian, they were just saying cartoons goofy sounds to each other. Your right in saying they did talk to each other, but they don't have a text bubble, in translation to reality they still aren't talking. So you bringing that up didn't really say much.
@@KingTai64 It’s literally a way to have them talk with out having them speak a real language. Just because YOU don’t see it as them talking doesn’t mean they aren’t. So the other guy bringing up up does say much because, while not something we can understand, they’re still talking.
He is into Frank conversations blah blah blah because he support women and thinks that this is bringing awareness or whatever. “Pretty biology lessons” Rags: “oh fuck off” I felt that Rags: “I think you need to hang around real kids…… well no, I take that back” Natasha not knowing that she is not “a big one” annoys me. She knows damn well she is a small one but is very effective in many ways that the big ones are not. They removed her self awareness for a joke.
Anyone else think it was weird in midnight mass when daddy vamp donned the priest robes and role played as an angel? They didnt explain why he goes along with Pruitt’s fanaticism. I’d assume for free blood but he only snacks on like 3 people throughout the show.
@@malachiconstant2756 So people don't see that he's a vampire ?... Dunno, seems reasonable to me If it was walking around naked someone would have complained too saying "How the hell does nobody see this ?" Which is far valid point than "Why the hell is that clearly intelligent creature trying to hide even from stray eyes ?"
Why shouldn't it go along with the fanaticism ? It's clearly gaining him a following and potential thralls devoted to him because of their faith. The blood isn't the main goal, otherwise it would have attacked the kids at the start instead of cats. The hints are there.
@@arenkai Fair point. I can infer why he would want to go along with it. I’m just curious if He and Pruitt were in collaboration with each other. Did they plan out that Easter midnight mass? Did the vampire tell Pruiit to stuff him into a coffin and take him to the island? It doesn’t seem like the vampire speaks so I was just curious as to how they collaborated and pulled off some of this stuff, such as posing as an angel.
@@helloyo8 Pruit literally says he can hear the vampire's voice in his head, and that he follows it. It's all but stated that the vampire was directing him and the plans.
Fun show. With regard to Italians. Plenty of them certainly regard themselves as white, particularly at this present time. Historically, too, one of the first codifications of demarcating humans along racial and ethnic lines happened in what is now known as Italy. Having previously sanctioned the import of infidel slaves, the Priors of Florence, in 1366, stated that by 'infidel' they meant all slaves of infidel origin, even if they were Catholic. Slavery, then, shifted from religiosity to ethnic origin. But I'm intrigued to hear counterarguments. Why are Italians not ‘white’?
I'm guessing because what native Italians looked like before the Moors invasion defers pretty significantly from the 'typical' characteristics of Italians today. There's this movie, The Secret of Santa Victorria with Anthony Quinn and they had a lot of native Italians. I remember being really surprised how dark most were.
Coming from a Mediterranean country, I will say this discussions are always strange to me. From my perspective, it is just Anglo-Saxon people, from some societies where the race differences are a fresh thing, where the reference of "white" are the most white complexion of North-europe, obsessing over nothing. The standard of "white" is not the same in those countries, I think. I have seen people being called "brown" in EEUU that would be called white without a second thought in Spain, for example. That ignorant EEUU politician, Ocasio Cortes, that is a white girl to me, for what my references are. I was surprised when that British prince which name I don't remember married a so called "non-white" woman, someone that would be called white at first thought by many in my city. It is just a very curious thing to me.
In my opinion, and it might sound crazy, but there's a lot of nuance to what "white" is. Now, in america, there is a history of white=Anglo/Germanic. Hell, the irish, those really pale people, weren't considered "white" because they weren't Anglo.There's tons of propaganda and racist anthropology against Irish you can look up. And Italians, not being Anglo, were subject to that discrimination. Things like "they're swarthy, dark haired, short individuals. They're not white like us!". To add to this was the immigration wave of Italians to America which didn't help them.
@@albertocruzado2899 'Whiteness' is more that just the physical colour of one's skin, however. It has to do with origin. Europe, including Italy, was distinguished as being home to the 'white race.' With regard to AOC. I'm quite sure she has some form of immediate Afro and-or indigenous in her. Coming from Puerto Rico, this is not surprising. I presume the prince you refer to is Harry, and he married a mixed-raced women.
You know what would clear up a lot of the confusion with Wins/Sins on what is actual criticism/praise vs comedy? Don’t do the ding if it’s a fucking joke. Literally just that would make it so much clearer.
4:10:15 A very important part for EFAP history and why they can't cover everything. It takes a lot more effort to actually break down films then what one would think.
Every time I hear one of these video essay idiots belittle Tony, I'm reminded of the quote from Iron Man 1 "Tony Stark built this IN A CAVE! With a BOX OF SCRAPS!" Which is reflective of the entire MCU really
On the talk of action stars, Scott Adkins is becoming a fast favorite of mine for fight movies. He's a great actor, great choreograph fighter and all around badass. He's built like crazy.
“Let me tell ya something, man - and every CinemaWins ‘review’ only proves my point further - filmmaking is a dying art. No two words in the English language are more harmful than ‘Good Job’.”
@@akashajones6079 Sorry to tell you this but it is utmost retarded to voluntarily pick a diet that strips your body of some the nutrients it needed thanks to evolution that gave our species the ability to consume and digest various sources of food to enable us becoming the most advanced lifeform on Earth. And I know you will say that you can compensate with artificial supplements provided by the 20th century advancements of big pharma. Boy, oh boy, will you hate to be vegan in just a couple of years from now on.
So I think it says alot about Wins that he thinks its not normal to be comfortable around bullets. He might have an argument if it were a loaded gun, but a bullet? There's something seriously wrong with someone uncomfortable holding a bullet.
2:33:30 - I'm 100% with Shad here and I do think CinemaWins was trying to go there with the "Didn't not touch her" ... Nice "attack response" by Rags per usual 😂 JK
Everything great with The Golden compass... Seen it, heard Cinemawins saying he'd like to do his schtick for everything, cuz "every movie is someone's favorite"... Went to look, that review is *goooone* , least I can't find the original. Me thinks it doesn't prove anything, but...
@@ralcogaming7674 Yes, kinda just plain tism-fuel. Go check it out if you ever doubted if he was pretending or not. He's desperate in this one, just seeing the tumbnail reminded me how much nonsense he was pumping out in this one... 😁
@@ralcogaming7674 Of course you knew. It's just a matter of me trying to say "he's doing that schtick *even* if he 100% doesn't want to, *even* if he doesn't know sh1t-all about the subject and/or *even* when he knows every fans of the original content, (and 99.99% of all normies), already know about the selected movie to be a dumpster fire. Rambly way to say: Tons of folks definitely love the stuff he does and TlJ had fans in the millions, yet he was as "competent" and genuine for that one as he was with the rest. Ps/Conclusion: it's not a few, nor just a pattern, it's all the same schtick, no matter what he thinks or what he's got to work with.
@@amanibob1416 true, his tlj video was where I could easily tell he was trying way too hard. He went into the video so defensive you could tell he was trying to defend a literal pile of crap. I remember the exact line that made me realize "oh its THAT kind of video" "huldo doesn't owe him an explanation of the plan" except she does, proper military structure dictates all orders go down the chain of command she cannot bypass a captain and give orders to everyone under him. He would have to sign off on those plans and be in charge of seeing his part through.
If EFAP Haters could make it to the 5 hour 10 minute mark, they would love it and say "EFAP falls to pieces!" EFAP Supporters are like "Yeah, they had a disagreement and yet there's 4 more hours of content!"
Haha 5:14:00 ish... this whole set of arguments has been hilarious from an outside perspective witnessing it all... and just as funny that metal was just enjoying listening fo it all... lol and then it ends and metal did his laugh but itwas just a real short one so a new argument begins saying he never did it when he did lolol
Here's how stupid a Koala is... if you give it a stem with eucalypt leaves on it, they'll eat it just fine. If you put a plate down, with eucalypt leaves off the stem placed on it, they don't recognize it as food and won't eat it.
What is it with CinemaThings and his obsession with tearing down the prior movies in order to support this one? I mean, Michael Douglas and the uncanny valley? Tony Stark’s ‘daddy issues’ in Civil War?! She’s just as valuable as THOR?!?! He sounds like one of the Black Widow writers…
Yeah, I kind of watched the show (Midnight Mass) over the past 3-ish days and I quite liked it. I think I liked the early parts most when things were still really shrouded in mystery. Bit of a small (and terrible) essay of a comment, so pardon me. I REALLY liked the setting in the show and how isolated the place felt. Almost reminded me of some of the smaller towns on the north of Vancouver Island to a small degree, or even the smaller parts of the town where my Granddad's Cottage is located on the island. I like the idea of spooky stuff lurking in the woods or outskirts of a town. I liked all of the spooky sightings at night quite a bit, but I understand those are more shallow/surface level praises to the show lol. I fear plot analysis is not something I am very good at still. But despite my saying that... yeah... the ending. Hmmm... not sure how I feel about it just yet, because it really felt a bit like everyone had suddenly got hit by an idiot ball. Rest in pepperoni Mr. Sheriff and Erin Greene. Just going bit by bit with the podcast here, but 42:32 yeah, I was disappointed they didn't explore potential fracturing in the Vampire group more. Surely not everyone on the island was so willing to just be evil or go with Crazy Bitch and her "exclusive club". Surely some people would have objected to what was happening, especially the ones who didn't end up drinking the suicide drinks I imagine (and ESPECIALLY the ones who didn't end up going to the Church that night). Just because they've too became Vampires doesn't mean they're all suddenly bad or have loyalty to Bev. Besides, surely Pruitt could have called more people to his side? He was the one giving all of the sermons and inspiring people, not Bev. Why didn't more people ask "well, what does Father Pruitt have to say on all of this?" or something. I'm no writer, so maybe this all sounds a tad stupid, but I just thought it could have been interesting to see the Vampires split between normal, good people, and the ravenous individuals who were following Bev primarily and/or giving into their hunger more readily? And YES! Why have Bev, who clearly wants to try her damnedest to stay alive, just give up and then decide not to give up at the last second? Even the original Vampire just seemed a bit stupid in that final episode. Just letting Erin cut his wings like that, and letting himself get splashed with gasoline then subsequently set partially on fire. I mean... I guess we don't entirely know how much he'd comprehend what gasoline was? Or maybe he's so lost to his own thirst for blood he'd just... let stuff happen to him? Or he's just that arrogant??? Those are not really satisfactory explanations to me though... just sort of trying to poorly think out what the reasoning may be lol. And yes :v the ending line... a bit sad for her, and an odd thing to end on? As someone suffering from some back pains right now (at 27, woohoo, should take better care of myself...) you bet your ass I'd drink a bit of that blood if it meant fixing that or any other flaws my body has :v I'd not be thrilled to suddenly be like "oh damn, my legs fucking hurt again, nice." The whole "things in moderation" discussed at certain points of the show goes nicely with the idea of not letting your reliance on the blood/thirst to overtake you or change who you are/losing your humanity. Not letting addiction get the better of you and all that. God, this was probably a horrendously clunky paragraph, but I can't think of a better way to reword it as I'm sort of "proof reading" this comment before posting. I hope it makes some sense/doesn't make me sound too stupid lol. Sounds like they may have run out of time/budget based off what you said at one point, so that's a terrible shame if that's the case. I was actually sad when watching the show to only see 7 episodes. Feels like things could have been drawn out a bit more/explored in greater detail before that finale. I wonder how the head Vampire became the way he was. Would the townsfolk eventually become like him if enough time passed/they gave into their hunger more readily? I think I still can say I really enjoyed the show despite episode 7. Those first 6 episodes were really enjoyable. I especially enjoyed the characters and all of the conversations they'd have with one another; particularly the ones between Pruitt and Riley at their AA meetings, or Riley and Erin just whenever, or Riley with his Mom or Dad trying to patch things up, and I could go on. Just so many likable characters, and great moments between them all. I always love the characters in these Mike Flanagan shows. My mind may change upon rewatching in the future, but for the moment, I quite enjoyed it despite the ending. Pardon me if this is a very clunky comment lol. Just had my own little thoughts I thought I'd splurge out into the comments. Anyway... time to keep listening and post this :v
Efap cast, how DARE you say Bowser can't be played by Jack black! Have you never heard Bowser's ONLY English speaking role in Mario sunshine? He's a perfect match
I miss the time stamps. Hope the time stamp guy is doing okay. Just know we appreciate you!
I was looking for HeadMetWall, too!
I miss HedMetWall :(
He’s an absolute legend and his timestamps are a Godsend for rewatching streams.
I hope he’s doing ok too, Don bless him.
@@pallor_mortis #DonButNotForgotten
COME BACK BROTHARRRRRRR
I hope he wasn't shadowbanned, I've had that problem with some of my favorite channels, you make a comment and then you log out and your comment isn't under "sort by new".
My favourite part was when Shad asked the crew to do their fake laugh and they all did it perfectly with no confusion.
That was pretty great. And short. Sorry, I mean, "concise"!
When I read this comment I hadn't gotten to that part yet but I said to myself...that doesn't sound like them...
Ah yeah, I love it when a plan comes together
What's the timestamp for that?
Nvm, just got to it. This is hilarious.
"Everyone give me your best fake laugh that sounds real"
*tismic confusion noises*
WeekendWarrior:
I didn't see the point in all that and it went on for too long.
@@sparkypack skip next time, its your time to spend.
@@sparkypack welcome to efap
@@sparkypack the point was just to do their own fake laughs. lol they just took the wording hyper literally and confused themselves
1:11:47 That intro and Moosley bursting out laughing at the screaming children and holy music is the greatest gift Cinemawins has ever accidentally given us.
I was so happy when part two had the screaming children again. It´s hilarious!
Didnt cinemawins say in the The rise of skywalker video that tension was never a big deal for him but now he loves when the protagonists are barely escaping a falling fortress with debris barely missing them??? He shouldn't feel anything because he knows Nat lives because this is a prequel.
Cinemawins: Sometimes the best answer is to not say anything at all *Ding win*
I wonder if Illumination will do the standard “family movie” faire by adding pop references that will die a year after the movie’s release. I dread the day Tiktok becomes a reference in standard family movies, especially this one.
Oh god...they're gonna make Toad do the the shuffle dance like MC Hammer...
there WILL be a Fortnite reference.... because kids these days are all about that fortnite, right?
Luigi will floss and say, in the voice of Charlie Day, "I'm flossing, man!". I can see it in the spiders.
They ended up appealing to nostslgia instead using the most over used music themes you can imagine.
@@spinosaurusstrikerI Wish they would've used even more music from the games instead of cliche pop songs that don't fit the Mario universe at all.
“You’ll clap at anything, you fucking seal.”
I spit a little bit of my donut out lol.
I've always said CinemaWins is a shill and is the sort of NPC movie watcher that will clap for anything. He is the ideal consumer. And this coverage of his video further reinforces my stance.
And when he gets mad at people for disagreeing with him on something in a movie it’s full on, “Fuck you, I’m right get over it.” Very punchable
I've said since his tlj video that he's worse than cinemasins. With sins you can dismiss him as being dumb, or just not paying attention, or trying to tell a joke. With Wins best faith is he's lying his ass off
Dude, I think he cited Rise of Skywalker as his favorite movie.
I don't think Wins shills any movies. I think he genuinely believes he doesn't sound like a dumbass when he says these things. Sins looks to be annoying because it gets clicks. Wins thinks he somehow adds to discourse to movies by not understanding what's happening on screen. He is as NPC as it gets too. The perfect mark for a hack writer.
@@-Azure.EXE- CinemaWins is the kind of fool who's still chained to the floor in Plato's Allegory of The Cave, but who thinks he's some enlightened erudite because he recognizes the shapes of the shadow puppets on the wall. He's only so outrageously, inexcusably popular because there are millions of people just as ignorant, stupid, and patronizingly easy to entertain as he is.
And people have the audacity to call Robert Heinlein a fascist for his (correct) assertion that universal suffrage is a mistake.
"This character is dead." To be fair she is a comic book character. Being dead is hardly a sign of finality. Entering into a lawsuit against the company on the other hand...
Dust
If you told me that Seth Rogen and Jack Black were going to play Donkey Kong and Bowser respectively a week ago, I would have called you an amazing shitposter.
Hold on, I think we can all count on Jack Black to deliver. He's the only one of the cast who looks like he loved playing Mario as a youngster and is more familiar with him.
Seth Rogan is who I'm drowning at. He's the one who who better not fuck up. But that's just me.
Could you imagine the original actor for luigi coming back? He actually still acts
well sorry but....
if me, personally i wouldnt have cared, because nintendos the big gay
But isn't it the ultimate shitpost to follow through?
What about Crispy Rat as Mario?
The Virgin "Emu-apologist" Fringy
The Chad "Death to the Emus" Shadiversity
The strailians will rise again
"Games that I personally dislike for subjective reasons are bad... and I will not give them a fair shot to prove it."
~ Dunkey
When a clown hears applause and assumes people think him to be a sophist, that's pretty much dunkey.
@@immortallix I too think i am an ancient greek teacher when i hear applause.
dunkey: i hate every jrpg ever made but dq 11 is pretty good.
me: nd thats why i don't listen to your opinions on jrpgs.
@@megamike15 I never took seriously anything Donkey said, because at any time he can say that it was all just a joke.
@Arthur Brown It's easy to see that his """reviews""" have no substance but even if someone was to watch him for comedy, I don't see the comedy either. Majority of his "jokes" consist of "Hahaha Donkey Kong hehe" or explaining the things happening on screen in a changed voice.
"Weed LMAO" - Dankey Kong
Dude bananas lmao
Expand bong, heh heh heh.
BONGos lmao
"Ey Mario, huh, bannana slamma immaright? heheheheheh"
- DK, the leader of the bunch
"Skadoosh!" - Bowser
I agree with Shad that the Mario universe throughout the games is kind of just a random mish-mash of stuff, but I think an intelligent writer with experience with world-building could take some bits here and there and make a coherent setting and storyline for a movie universe. Unfortunately, this is Illumination we're talking about.
I mean, the proof is in the pudding. Paper Mario, TTYD, and Super Paper Mario for just one set of spin-offs are pretty well-put together story-wise (hell TTYD is good by other series' standards). So we know it CAN work. Plus Jack Black could rock that kind of Bowser (not evil but more of a bombastic dick)
If they can take the feel of the games, the goofy, fantastical nonsense of it and just roll with it, there's tons you could do with a Mario movie. If anybody in the writers room even breathes the word 'grounded', though, it's done.
I mean... At least they understood live action was not a good idea for Mario ?
I'm honestly wondering how you could do mario live action and it not be shit.
@@nathanjora7627 Hey, that movie is a masterpiece!
(Just kidding, I haven't even seen it since I was very young.)
If I were to make a series of movies regarding the portly plumber, I would go in this direction.
Movie 1: Origin story. How the Mario Brothers got to the Mushroom Kingdom and how and why Bowser kidnapped Princess Peach. It can be as basic as that.
Any Movie after 1: Take one mainline game (any would suffice) after Super Mario Bros. and expand it or flip it on its head. I strongly believe Peach only needs to be kidnapped once in the first movie, but after that, Bowser can cause all sorts of trouble without taking her anywhere: she can be another supporting member of Mario’s team.
Super Mario World can be about the brothers exploring a Dinosaur sanctuary that has been taken over by Bowser to use as an oil extraction facility.
Super Mario 64 takes place in Peach’s Castle that has enchanted paintings slowly seeping their worlds into the building during the celebration of the Mario brothers’ Mushroom Kingdom anniversary.
Super Mario Land 2 could be a court film about Mario trying to reclaim his house from real estate theft.
It’s a series of family movies, it doesn’t have to throw every single Mario lore in the scale of two or three movies. Just shrink it down to the basics and build it up from there.
Ever since I started watching EFAP and took more interest in media analysis I became something of a media-nihilist. Every time I see a new, big budget movie or game coming out, I immediately presume that after watching/playing it I'll just want to get drunk in the shower and cry a tear for every second of my life wasted.
It’s not really nihilism if the same kind of people are the ones making these films rather then the right people
Learn to compart your subjective enjoyment and objective criticism. I can despise TROS all I want but I can still find enjoyment on the most basic of things.
@@AimlessSavant I've got too used to looking for problems, if I want to enjoy a movie I have to watch the good ones on repeat.
@@JewishFrog I would say to just switch your focus when watching movies. For example, instead of just looking for problems, just watch it closely and try to identify both the good and bad or just things like you like/dislike
Remember to have fun, most media are for entertainment. Very recently, I have been watching How A Realist Hero Rebuild The Kingdom, it's a terrible adaptation on a terrible light novel but we watch it anyway because it's fun to diss on it. You don't have to be objective all the time.
I can't wait for the Seth Rogen/Donkey Kong and Michael Cera/Diddy Kong adaptation of *_Donkey Bong Country._*
Imagine Donkey Kong throwing shit at you while making jokes about weed and sex. I'm going to shit myself from excitement.
Donkey Bong country: Pineapple Express.
@@LegacyComics100 Banana Mania
I'm not suppose to say anything, but fuck it. The leaks are true. Daisy Ridley as Daisy, Keanu Reeves as Luma, Danny Devito as Wario, Jim Carrey as Waluigi, Eddie Murphy as Yoshi, Adam Sandler as Boom Boom, and Whoppi Goldberg as Plessie. And of course, our tried and true Ruby Rose as Rosalina.
EDIT: I mean Banana Party whoops
“Each time I think I’m gonna have my day, The Mario takes my Princess away…” -Bowser
Browntable: Sexual harassment
He had his day: It’s called Bowser Jr.
@@charmandyorton006 nice.
I love how this Wins guy is so bad at his job that EFAP is forced to pause at _every_ _single_ _ding_ this man gives.
5:23:15 Re, Alexey's tattoos
What annoys me as a Russian is that very few American filmmakers actually get how Russian names function.
Alexey or anyone in the family context wouldn't call her Yelena, pretty much ever. They would use the form "Lena"
Same as Alexey wouldn't be called Alexey by them, he would be "Lyosha".
The tattoo spelling out ЕЛЕНА instead of ЛЕНА feels fake and dumb
And Melina isn't even a Russian name.
I learned that from the brothers karamazov
@@НатальяЖданова-л2р I thought it was Milena but either way yeah, it isn't
@@MaxRovensky umm.... Milena IS a Russian name, though. Melina, however? Not so much
@@kutstupid5480 in the 21 years I've spent in Russia before GTFOing, I've never even heard of a Milena, let alone met one
Boy I Love EFAP
Sometimes the random tangents are more fun to listen to than the videos being covered.
Bless the entire EFAP crew ❤
They are cringe
@@CoyoTWil3 Because you don't like them personally or an actual reason?
@@CoyoTWil3 Any valid reason? Or purely subjective-tisms?
@@CoyoTWil3 Do you say this statement based on factual grounds, or merely your guttural reaction to the creators?
@@puf-ecoother4679 Because they're tangents. They're meandering and break the momentum.
Cinema Wins is a black hole of media. He is a condensed version of so many people I talk to after seeing movies though. Satisfied just by the fact that moving pictures and sounds were happening, but they didn't pay any attention to what actually happened on the screen, and if you try to go beyond anything surface level, they treat you like you're a crazy person.
This seems to be life in general now. If you attempt critical thought....morons think you're the crazy one.
Or they call you a cinema snob/art student. No joke, I’ve heard that comment before, and it blows my mind. I just question the logic brought up in the film, and that’s apparently art student status?
@@GJGaming208 I was talking about The Suicide Squad with someone and said I really liked some of the characters but there were some other things that bothered me with the story, but I would definitely like a sequel just to see the characters again, and they said "one day you'll actually have fun watching a movie". As if it isn't possible to enjoy a movie AND acknowledge there are things wrong with it that you noticed while watching it.
@@WuTheBat
I know family members that say the same thing, and it’s just depressing knowing they aren’t willing to call a spade a spade or a club a club when it’s right there. How else is a film or person going to grow unless they can acknowledge the criticism/answer for it? At the very least criticism can help yourself grow in some way, if the film creators refuse to look into it.
Most humans are afraid of growth.
It's no wonder they get squimish at the thought of criticism.
I can't believe CinemaWins didn't complement the score, which is easily the best part of the movie. And he didn't ding the part where Alexei sings American Pie to Yelena, either.
CinemaWins is so bad at his job that he couldn't even pick up only one of the only legitimately good moments In _Black Widow._
He complemented the score of the big fall.
@@Сайтамен Yeah, just one specific part of the score, and he doesn't even mention the composer.
The Russian chanting really brought the score together, like in Natasha’s Lullaby and A Sister Says Goodbye for example
@S W It's a kind of a bad cover though. Lacks the original vocals.
4:16:25 "Anyone else that can say that?" Yeah. Several of them. Including Thor. Hell, in his first movie he basically sacrificed himself by facing down a 15 foot robot that shoots lasers out of its face, with no powers, to save a ghost town with ten people in it.
Are there any of the original Avengers who haven't done that? Don't remember Hulk, but it definitely applies to Thor, Cap and Iron Man. Then there's Doctor Strange too in Infinity War and several other smaller characters
Iron Man - was willing to get himself blown up by his own arc reactor in order to stop Ironmongerer.
Captain America - parachuted behind enemy lines wearing a stage uniform in order to save captured Allied soldiers.
Thor - already mentioned.
Basically the origin movie for each hero in Phase 1 of the MCU had each of them making incredible sacrifices to save loved ones or even strangers. Just because Black Widow is the only one who actually died as a result of her sacrifice doesn't mean anyone was giving up any less in their own stories.
@@HerohammerStudios Bruce: Jumps down from helicopter with anti-Hulk serum in his blood. Does the same in Ragnarok, fights in human form in Infinity War, snaps his fingers with little chance of surviving in Endgame.
I watched a RUclips video where an artist with like 1 million subs was complaining about 'unsolicited critique' on posted artworks (anywhere from Instagram to RUclips). The idea being that if I post an artwork online, I have to ask for it to be critiqued. What this person doesn't realise is saying 'The eyes are well proportioned' is critique, just positive. A lot of people aren't aware of what they say when the they argue against flaws being pointed out. They just want the CinemaWins treatment where they only want compliments in their bubble or else they might be dissuaded from posting because people are honest. They don't even make the distinction between valid criticism and the random 'go kill yourself'. It's all 'unsolicited critique'
I would probably call that feedback rather than critique, but I totally agree with your overall point
honestly, if they're getting critiques their art sucks
1:50:30 analysis of EGA Black Widow begins. Just a stop gap until HedMetWall finishes doing his Godly Works.
Is that the end of the spoilers for midnight mass?
@@SgtKOnyx 1:03:45
You dropped this 👑
Imagine being such an uninteresting content creator that people covering your video get on an hour long tangent designing a stream about ranking weapons, then arguing about Australian animals’ intelligence. Highlight of the stream for me, so far, but we’ll see what the next few hours bring.
I take it back, the argument over Mauler’s “genuine fake” laugh is the best.
Correction: Charles has been Mario since 1995, but the point still stands. Why wouldn't he be Mario? He can talk a lot as the character just fine with more lines of dialogue. I know he's perfectly capable of this, because he's done this with Wario in WarioWare Gold.
It isn’t as marketable, it was probably Illumination’s decision over Nintendo’s
@@jakesimpson3373 but does a Super Mario movie even need Hollywood actors to market it?
Mario is one of, if not, the most well known Character in all of entertainment media.
@@itbesilly4544 I’m not saying it needed that to be marketable, but that’s almost definitely why they did it, the way a corporate executive’s minds work is an enigma
@@itbesilly4544 No it doesn't because the Mario name can sell on its own. Just the Pikachu (let alone Pokemon) name can sell on its own without help from Hollywood stars. Both castings are just Hollywood being Hollywood (aka acting like every brand needs a star's help to succeed) and Illumination is one of the biggest offenders.
@@jakesimpson3373 It doesn't need Hollywood actors to market it. It's Super Mario. It's already a prolific series everyone's familiar with. More people know who Mario is than any one Hollywood actor, that's just how popular and universal Mario is as a brand.
This is disrespectful to games as an artform, if the people making this movie have such little faith in the brand they're working with, when it doesn't even need any validation.
"Pain makes you stronger" applies way more to the Hulk than anyone in Black Widow.
Or Penance.
"This film expresses the erroneous worldview towards the meta-wrongness often attributed to disestablishmentarism as applied to figments of expressions of idealistic piques of rage contained in imperialist fobbings."
~ Movie Bob's Sweaty Crevice
I googled that name...
@@pauperslament3467 And what did you find?
@@JewishFrog An abyss.
@@gloverwilliams (ominous music)
The poster boy for the "I'd rather be happy than right" crowd.
I mean I'd rather be happy than be right. Anything else seems rather petty
@@HerohammerStudios to each their own.
I'll just note - knowing what is true has other uses, apart from winning arguments.
I find it funny that they changed Taskmaster to be a woman to fight sex-tisms when all they really did was pull out the classic "women can only fight women" trope.
She did beat Alexey though.
If it was a woman kicking a man’s ass you guys would have hated it
Yeah, wouldn't it be more "empowering" if she beat the evil men? It's pretty confusing
For how positive Cinema Wins wants to be, hes pretty negative to every other Marvel movie to boost this one
I had come in right around the the great fake laugh scene and it was WILD without any context.
From what I recall, emus won against the australian military every single battle.
Then their government put a bounty on emus and the bloodthirsty populace hunted them down to the point the government had to put it away.
I never thought I see the day you couldn't tell the difference between Cinema Sins and Wins. Also, I had no appreciation for the cinema wins guy, but now it's clear he's turned into the Tommy Wiseau of RUclips: "Hahaha, I make unfunny joke about anything in movie, ding!"
Ugh, Jesus. Wins is just cringy as hell, huh? Even filtered through EFAP this is hard to watch. I'll at least give it to Sins, despite the terrible comedy throughout it, it's far more palatable.
That said, even the idea of, "I'm Cinemasins, but I'm positive!" is stupid. Ignoring the obvious of how almost religious zeal when praising Consumer Product Numba-14xy is already a bad route, doing nothing more than pandering to normies looking for confirmation bias, it's not even accurate to Sins itself. Granted, it's been years since I've seen one of their videos, but they were never even that negative. Most sins are just terrible jokes or random points, not actual criticism of what's going on.
As usual though, thanks to dumbass discourse (or lackthereof) the idea of, "Don't hate, just be positive!" gets too much undeserved praise be intellectual deadweights.
Sins at least once in awhile, maybe by accident, manages to get a laugh.
Also with sins like worst case scenario he's just stupid, wins best case he's deceitful and a liar.
I mean, his whole reason for existing is to leech off popular media by releasing videos he knows the fans will upvote and promptly forget, thus securing his place in the youtube algorithm without having to do anything even remotely resembling effort or saying anything that's even remotely worth wasting the data of the upload on... and anyone who calls out the sheer worthless banality is automatically in the wrong because he's the one being positive...
Cinemasins at the beginning actually tried to have meaningful critiques. Admittedly they've completely jumped the shark these days, but they actually made an effort at the start
Cinemawins is the poster boy for parasitic white noise
@@redbearington3345 I think wins is completely sincere, but in some ways that's worse. Neither of these shows can provide a fair review within their formats. I think the Sins guys know that, but Lee seems to believe he's actually giving a good analysis.
@@DuneStone6816 Him being sincere wouldnt explain some of the things he says, neither would him just being stupid.
Some of the things he gets wrong he can only be getting wrong by lying.
Just the simplest is him defending TLJ by saying SW has always had Jar Jar binks style humor in it. You can't claim the OT had Jar jar binks type comedy in it, and be sincere.
@@redbearington3345 He’s wrong, but I can easily see how he could believe that. He probably equates the droid humor or the Ewoks to the Binks humor. As long as no one forces him to think more deeply about it, he can honestly lump those all together as “kid-appeal humor”.
Midnight Mass coverage ends @ around 1:01:00, or close enough to it that you can't sue me
But why Seth Rogen? Why him of all people? They could at least pick someone who is somewhat funny and isn't an asshole... This is why we can't have nice things.
At least they didn't pick James Corden
I know he passed recently but what if it was Norm Macdonald?
Well Seth rogans only good work has been his voice acting in kung fu panda. If he puts the same effort he did for mantis I think he can do dk ok
O K
@@puf-ecoother4679 do you have any idea how pathetic it is to say that someone's best and only enjoyable performance is voicing a character that gets, what? A total of 10 minutes of screen time hahaha and yeah you're totally right. Seth rogen is not funny and a waste of air
1:28:04 "You need to look at the both sides of criticism tree".
Tonald, we love you, but please give Shad his account back.
"pain makes me stronger" slams face on desk
... .. "oh and now, also i cannot smell you"
CinemaWins is stuck in the cycle of facing the shitiest of movies being released and for the sake of covering relevant movies he has to pick them to find something to appreciate.
Listening to Fringy and Shad argue about Australian animals has been the highlight of my week
That's kind of sad
@@HerohammerStudios the fact you decided to reply with this a year after I said it is far, far sadder
did an anime punch rags in the face when he was a kid or something? he really doesn't like it.
Shrug, it partly seems to just taking common shounen tropes and applying it to the entire medium, and mostly it's just not being his thing evidentally. Which shouldn't be unexpected, a lot of anime has weak writing and simplified characters.
It's a little frustrating to have the kind of outlandish action sequences that anime is I suppose infamous for doing get reduced to 'dumb shit happens', but hey ho.
@@bleeters5984 Well, most of any medium is bad
I think it’s become part of his persona ever since he ran away, tail tucked away between his legs, from his ATLA controversy. He probably does it in part just to annoy chat, but I also wouldn’t put it past him. I find his taste questionable at times, he plays Anthem iirc after all….
I would add, if he genuinely hates anime, he’s only depriving himself. Having only just started getting into anime myself, it is an oasis from the kind of shitty, iterative, politically laden writing he often laments. Not all of it of course, but there is a ton of good stuff.
He tries to distance himself from furries as much as he can. All his furry buddies are probably into anime, so they're closely linked in his mind.
@@RiylanCorma He doesn't really try to distance himself. For one his channel pfp is cropped porn of his "sona" and secondly, have you seen his FA favourites?
As much as it pains me to say it, I’d say Wins is actually worse than Sins. Yes Sins is dumb, we all agree, but they are actually capable of taking away a sin if they think something is actually a win. Wins says something is a flaw but doesn’t take away a win, he still adds a win.
And even when he's stupid he's still more entertaining and is capable of being funny. Wins has zero capacity for comedy.
CinemaSins also is better to me about trying to handle their brand as a primarily comedy or "don't take me too seriously" channel, since their content is primarily just the obviously "quick quippy" sins and then end card. Admittedly I do comment on things in a manner similar to CS during the process of watching a movie, good or bad, so that is at least a mindset I kind of understand trying to put to content.
CinemaWins has the Pseudo Video Essay opening and closing segments to at least their more controversial videos, so it feels significantly more transparent like he is in fact trying to use the video as a platform to speak a legitimate opinion, be it about the film in question (TLJ), a related film (Sequel Trilogy on TROS), or a related topic overall (the MCU here). The sincerity of those segments muddies the water on the CinemaSins-like win counting before hand, yet he still sticks to the similar "tick every little thing indiscriminately" criteria. The CS style is very unedited "Stream of Consciousness" in terms of what it points out, so attaching it to something you presumably script and proof-read at the end feels very out of place, and almost makes the overall video (or videos for 2-parters) feel disingenuous, akin to Dunkey's habit of "it's a joke when I'm criticized and sincere when I'm praised" attitude.
Hey Angel!
And at least sins is sometimes funny
Honestly they're exactly the same. I used to have this nebulous memory of sins, but after watching the rise of skywalker sins/wins video, it's clear he's just as shit
Cinemasins is at least capable of getting a chuckle out of me on rare the occasion he’s been covered.
Wins though? He’s dead weight.
Here's the thing: Jack Black Bowser COULD work, if they go for a more Paper Mario-Bowser, where he's less the 'bad guy' and more kind of a nuisance personality-wise. Fun and loud but kind of a dick
Jack Black definitely would fuckin work tbh with you.
@@YourHuckleberry99 IMO it comes down to the direction. He's admitted in interviews that he relies heavily on direction when he's not sure where to go with a certain character, and it's done him good before
@@YourHuckleberry99 this may be a bit of a hot take, but i think Jack Black is funny when he's not trying too hard to be Jack Black, if you know what i mean. He's actually got good timing and an expressive voice.
If he gets good material, it certainly can work... unfortunately this is Illumination, so i have no hope...
RPG Bowser in general is a banger
Can’t wait to see Chris Pratt plays MLK
Chris Pratt-San
Mario Luther King
And obama, and Nelson Mandela.
A Scarjo as Harriet Tubman
Directed by Martin Scorsese, I guess
2:35:00 or so, it took a rewatch for me to notice that maybe Rags did actually watch a JAV at some point because he might have heard "Ikuuuu" and remembered it as yee-ke. As much as it devolved into a joke about Ike and how he's the best or whatever, this might have actually started as a recollection on something.
I kind of hate Marvel for what they’ve done to films. Nothing can just stand alone anymore, everything needs to be part of some larger universe. It’s just bad for filmmaking.
I know filled with IOU's down-the-line or retroactively every film is not bad if you can make another film that makes up for it.
Did you know people are now unironically saying iron man 3 is not bad now because Now they're using the real Mandarin so the twist that was bad in that movie is now OK.
I think now more then ever, the universe feels smaller then ever. They are dealing with far larger entities but they still remain tiny when looking at the movies/series as a franchise. Loki and all the TVA being humans with very loose reference to other powerful entities. Black Widow having a world ending secret organisation but only including Black Widow. FATWS dealing with global restructuring of the governmental bodies but some rando group of slightly stronger car salesmen could actually threaten to enforce any of their beliefs. Plus they only send 2 avengers and a few agents to handle the situation when they have access to so much more. Shang chi having another powerful organisation and dimension with a universe ending threat. The universe is tied together by cameos.
How is it 'bad for filmmaking'?
This movie would be nothing but worse if it were standalone
@@ironbaysqiureg4827 how was the twist bad? I've never understood this
@@ironbaysqiureg4827
Just like the games series that have so many sequels like Final Fantasy, Mario, Pokémon, Call of Duty, Assassin’s Creed, Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, and uh........Madden
Every new game is considered a clean slate, any badness of past is ignored,
It’s the reverse on the expression “You can do something right 1000 times. There’s no guarantee you won’t screw up on the 1001st”
Now it’s “You can do something wrong 1000 times, there’s no guarantee that you won’t succeed on the 1001st”
This efap summarized: "Where's the win??!!?"
Something to chew on:
A broken clock is right twice a day. And since there are 86,400 seconds in a day, that means it is only right .00231% of the time each day.
CinemaWins is that clock.
That's way too much of an exaggeration. He's never been right that often
7:42:07 I mean... You're kind of comparing apples to oranges a bit here, Mauler. TLJ is a canon part of the Star Wars timeline and the Holdo Maneuver has massive repercussions on the entirety of the Star Wars timeline. The scene from Star Wars: Visions you described there is from a non-canon anime anthology short, where the shorts in question have no bearing on anything that happens in the canon universe. So yeah, I think it's fine for people to give it more leeway and enjoy what it has to offer.
And I'm not saying this as someone trying to defend that short as being well written, I DO think that objectively, "The Twins" is insanely stupid and probably the worst written of all nine shorts. Like, why can the Twins be out in space without their suits, but the girl's robot servant needs to wear a helmet to survive? Why does the brother slicing through the Star Destroyer with his building-sized lightsaber not also cut his sister in half and just... breaks her armor instead? Why does Karre not need to give any sort of clearance to the guards or even tell them why he's there when he goes to steal the crystal? Where do ALL of those guards in front of the room with the crystal go once Karre actually steals it? Why would Karre and Am be the only ones allowed in, and not any kind of maintenance staff? And that's not even getting into the cringe dialog at times or Allison Brie's lackluster voice acting in the dub. It's a whole lot of really stupid stuff all in all.
But at the end of the day, it's an anime short being done by Studio Trigger, the masters of style over substance, and it won't impact my thoughts on anything in the rest of the Star Wars universe, so I'm fully capable of turning my brain off and enjoying the spectacular visuals. Compared to TLJ, where the Holdo Maneuver is absolutely impossible for me to turn off my brain because of all the ramifications of how it affects the nature of space battles both past and future in the main series. They're completely different mediums in completely different universes with completely different intentions behind their creation (TLJ to further the story of the main saga by a man who doesn't care about the Star Wars canon, and Visions to be a different artist's interpretation of Star Wars mythos without the limitations of adhering to canon). I feel like you're being disingenuous to anime fans and acting like they'll lap anything up "because it's anime" and acting like people don't call out bad anime when they see it. Which they do, frequently.
EDIT: Rewatched the short and realized some of my criticisms of it were wrong, but also found some other new ones to replace it with.
The is this an adaptation argument the long man makeing?!?!?!?!?!? Wooooooowww!!!!! I guess it's not a dumb argument after all you just said to apply to the right franchise
@@ironbaysqiureg4827 not quite. The adaptation argument is something where so long as a movie or story can operate in isolation, it doesn't need to be faithful to the source. However, if the story requires a third party in order to understand, it needs to be faithful to that source, otherwise it's just a bad story with no explanation for what is going on. Since all of these shorts refer to lightsabers, the force, jedi, Sith, and the empire, they absolutely do require third party sources to understand them, otherwise they are just all weird sci-fi acid trips with no rhyme or reason. Because they don't conform to the source, and don't explain their own rules, they are acid trips all the same. The best of them are about as good as TFA in terms of making sense and sticking to established rules, or creating their own, which isn't good in any respect.
@@aidanmattys7488 no they don’t you could go in and understand them from context
@@aidanmattys7488
Dude your argument entirely just boils down to Is adaptation argument for me but not for thee.
Because I can make the same argument that you need 3rd party knowledge for something like spider man homecoming because of their omission of Uncle Ben.
the lack of Peter Parker struggling with finances.
This absolutely requires 3rd party reading Because References webshooters, spider Spider sense and knowing his background.
Or else it's just another generic Cape shit movie.
See how this thing can be turned against you.
It's either all or nothing either adaptations from the source material has to have some form of accuracy to be called genuine or it doesn't.
I am consistent with my adaptation argument being valid. And not need to do mental gymnastics so I can maintain why iron lad is OK to be spider man but Star Wars anime Needs to be more consistent Endless high concept.
@@ironbaysqiureg4827 thing is mate, you don't need to know about uncle Ben or Peter's financial troubles for homecoming to operate. The webshooters and spidersense are already provided by civil war, which is within the existing universe. Adaptation argument doesn't work with homecoming because MCU spiderman can definitely exist and make sense in isolation
Regarding CinemaWins, this reminds me of Karl M... I mean, da Vinci's quote
"It is as great an error to speak well of a worthless man, as to speak ill of a good man".
It's perfectly applicable to media as well. Praising terrible work is actively hurting good and hard work, and we shouldn't just give a pass to smooth-brained clappers.
5:02:43 for the "Fake laugh" kerfuffle.
Honesty
Were does it end?
The laughing conversation was genuinely the funniest bit ive heard in a while
If we could just move video game movies away from the “a group of normal humans get teleported to the world of the game.” motif. I’m not sure why they feel we won’t be able to handle it if we don’t have human chariot “relate to.” There’s a reason what is considered the ok-est video game adaptation is Mortal Kombat and it sticks the closest to the events of the game it’s based on.
Yes. Add Transformers and Godzilla to that list.
This whole idea that "I need to see a human to relate to a story" is such bs. And really just an excuse to throw celebrities in the movie to market.
Pokémon Detective Pikachu was awesome. One reason being is that instead of just throwing Pokémon into the real world, the movie created an alternate reality where humans and Pokémon co-exist with each other (kinda like Who Framed Roger Rabbit where humans and cartoons co-exist together), and not to mention that Ryme City is just an absolute sight and looks WAY BETTER than real life cities. It's almost similar to how Watership Down didn't just try to tackle serious issues like fate and peace with mortality, but created a world for the rabbits and present how they function as a civilization and even have their own religions, lores and philosophies. I wish more movies took notes from Detective Pikachu, Roger Rabbit or Watership Down and be more creative with their stories instead of just trying to mirror real life. Besides, real life is boring.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 Why can't we just have a Transformers or Godzilla movie that's animated and has no humans whatsoever? You could set the Transformers movie on Cybertron and form a story from there. And as for Godzilla, you could just have the visuals and the emotions and body language of the monsters explain everything that's going on. Hollywood clearly has the budget to do that, but NOOOOOOOOO, we just NEED to cut the budget and throw in some celebrities cuz We NeEd MuH hUMaN StoRyLiNeS.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 Probably why they chose Illumination to animate it, they blew the budget on Hollywood actors.
There have been countless cartoon adaptations that contrive the characters’ existence in some way to hang out in the human world with some generic, expositing robots- I mean, “relatable, charismatic leads”. Alvin & The Chipmunks and The Smurfs were particularly notorious for dabbling in the oh-so-high art of relegating its cartoons to side characters that irritate but eventually come to love our heroes.
"We can keep the emus around." -Fringy.
You couldn't get rid of them if you tried, because you did, and you failed!
Ruby Rose should've been Mario, we truly live in the worst timeline
Wait
WHERE IS DAISY?!
@@Ramsey276one
Ruby Rose should have been daisy
That would be a glorious calamity
@@theliato3809
That’s a cool title mauler could use for a long man video essay
Your profile pic fits your statement way too perfectly
Nintendo and Illumination went crazy with the famous celebrities. If they were going to have a decent story in this movie, I think they should get inspiration from Mario Galaxy’s story or the Mario RPG games.
I hope whatever the movie Illumination decided to make, it doesn’t bleed into the games themselves. I can just imagine a game/movie tie-in with this film that has an even looser story, they use voice impersonators instead, and the gameplay will be surprisingly subpar. If that comes into fruition, we might be looking at the next Hotel Mario.
Miyamoto is involved, so the story will be as predictable and formulaic as it comes.
Is Peach going to get kidnapped by any chance?
Paper Mario will look at this film in awkward silence
"Ethical vampire" The show literally sets up that they're monsters with no self control. The one person who spent a decade of his life learning to fight against addiction knew it was a losing battle, and he took himself out before he hurt the people he loved. The people who woke up immediately started feasting and created a horrifying bloodbath. They were going to spread over the earth, their hunger was never going to be kept in check. It was an apocalypse waiting to happen. The ending was set-up and executed very well. I do not understand how you can get so lost in knit-picking that you just miss the themes of the show. It's missing the forest for the trees.
Except for the Flynn parents who explicitly state as soon as they meet up again after the Mass, that they are able to resist the urge to feed on people, despite both having just been turned.
@@occultnightingale1106 because there were no humans present when they woke up. the impulse triggers on humans, as we saw when Riley was revived by paul. He had a conversation with him, but the sound of bev's beating heart made him lose control and it was only paul restraining him that prevented him from lunging at bev.
i like that moment between them but since one of them isn't human, it lacks teeth. they were trying to comfort each other but while they are talking they are watching vampires hunt. the show doesn't have one of them disagree in that moment to dispute what he's saying, but it does immediately cut to them looking at a woman in the distance screaming and being tackled and fed on by two vampires.
When you realize that the Mario and Luigi games where successful as fuck WITHOUT Mario and Luigi talking, You know something is wrong when they casts well known celebrities as the characters in a Mario movie. I'm excluding Jack Black because I believe he'll deliver. But this Movie can work with the right writers, animation company, and great sense of humor from the Mario World franchise. But Mario and Luigi shouldn't be talking. This ain't Dorkly.
But they talk in the Mario and Luigi games it isn't English but they talk to each other. After bowser inside story it happens more frequently to some of the side characters.
@@bashooi If they're wasn't a text bubble for them, then they weren't talking as far as I'm concerned. They were still silent Protagonist. Like damn near every other RPG In existence. They weren't even speaking real Italian, they were just saying cartoons goofy sounds to each other.
Your right in saying they did talk to each other, but they don't have a text bubble, in translation to reality they still aren't talking. So you bringing that up didn't really say much.
@@KingTai64 It’s literally a way to have them talk with out having them speak a real language. Just because YOU don’t see it as them talking doesn’t mean they aren’t. So the other guy bringing up up does say much because, while not something we can understand, they’re still talking.
I don't see how you'd make a full-length movie where nobody talks. Well not a movie like this anyway
@@HerohammerStudios welp i was clearly wrong here. CAUSE THE MOVIE THE BOMB!!! Peaches🍑
Dig up Captain Lou Albano as he's the first Live Action Mario in my world! Lol
He is into Frank conversations blah blah blah because he support women and thinks that this is bringing awareness or whatever.
“Pretty biology lessons”
Rags: “oh fuck off”
I felt that
Rags: “I think you need to hang around real kids…… well no, I take that back”
Natasha not knowing that she is not “a big one” annoys me.
She knows damn well she is a small one but is very effective in many ways that the big ones are not.
They removed her self awareness for a joke.
The fact that they brought Task Manager out for such a throwaway, 5 years too late movie instead of FUCKING DEADPOOL 3 is the biggest tragedy of all!
Deadpool 1 was meh, 2 was shit. Wouldn't be much of a difference
Anyone else think it was weird in midnight mass when daddy vamp donned the priest robes and role played as an angel? They didnt explain why he goes along with Pruitt’s fanaticism. I’d assume for free blood but he only snacks on like 3 people throughout the show.
Yea he was also wearing Pruitt’s coat and jacket in the scene before he attacked Riley. Like… why is he wearing people clothes???
@@malachiconstant2756 So people don't see that he's a vampire ?...
Dunno, seems reasonable to me
If it was walking around naked someone would have complained too saying "How the hell does nobody see this ?"
Which is far valid point than "Why the hell is that clearly intelligent creature trying to hide even from stray eyes ?"
Why shouldn't it go along with the fanaticism ?
It's clearly gaining him a following and potential thralls devoted to him because of their faith. The blood isn't the main goal, otherwise it would have attacked the kids at the start instead of cats.
The hints are there.
@@arenkai Fair point. I can infer why he would want to go along with it. I’m just curious if He and Pruitt were in collaboration with each other. Did they plan out that Easter midnight mass? Did the vampire tell Pruiit to stuff him into a coffin and take him to the island? It doesn’t seem like the vampire speaks so I was just curious as to how they collaborated and pulled off some of this stuff, such as posing as an angel.
@@helloyo8 Pruit literally says he can hear the vampire's voice in his head, and that he follows it. It's all but stated that the vampire was directing him and the plans.
Fun show. With regard to Italians. Plenty of them certainly regard themselves as white, particularly at this present time. Historically, too, one of the first codifications of demarcating humans along racial and ethnic lines happened in what is now known as Italy. Having previously sanctioned the import of infidel slaves, the Priors of Florence, in 1366, stated that by 'infidel' they meant all slaves of infidel origin, even if they were Catholic. Slavery, then, shifted from religiosity to ethnic origin. But I'm intrigued to hear counterarguments. Why are Italians not ‘white’?
I'm guessing because what native Italians looked like before the Moors invasion defers pretty significantly from the 'typical' characteristics of Italians today.
There's this movie, The Secret of Santa Victorria with Anthony Quinn and they had a lot of native Italians. I remember being really surprised how dark most were.
@@ladydreadpirate336 Yes, Italians, particularly those in the south, can be strikingly tanned.
Coming from a Mediterranean country, I will say this discussions are always strange to me. From my perspective, it is just Anglo-Saxon people, from some societies where the race differences are a fresh thing, where the reference of "white" are the most white complexion of North-europe, obsessing over nothing. The standard of "white" is not the same in those countries, I think. I have seen people being called "brown" in EEUU that would be called white without a second thought in Spain, for example. That ignorant EEUU politician, Ocasio Cortes, that is a white girl to me, for what my references are. I was surprised when that British prince which name I don't remember married a so called "non-white" woman, someone that would be called white at first thought by many in my city. It is just a very curious thing to me.
In my opinion, and it might sound crazy, but there's a lot of nuance to what "white" is. Now, in america, there is a history of white=Anglo/Germanic. Hell, the irish, those really pale people, weren't considered "white" because they weren't Anglo.There's tons of propaganda and racist anthropology against Irish you can look up. And Italians, not being Anglo, were subject to that discrimination. Things like "they're swarthy, dark haired, short individuals. They're not white like us!". To add to this was the immigration wave of Italians to America which didn't help them.
@@albertocruzado2899 'Whiteness' is more that just the physical colour of one's skin, however. It has to do with origin. Europe, including Italy, was distinguished as being home to the 'white race.' With regard to AOC. I'm quite sure she has some form of immediate Afro and-or indigenous in her. Coming from Puerto Rico, this is not surprising. I presume the prince you refer to is Harry, and he married a mixed-raced women.
I love how Fringy said it was too late to watch the EFAP movies trailer but then had a 10 minute argument about furries with Rags.
The best thing for DK would be to have him make his game noises but everyone understands him like Chewbacca lol.
Anything but the guy from the cartoon. Dear God.
7:19:45 Rags really did just confuse Nightmare Before Christmas with Nightmare on Elm Street lololol
You know what would clear up a lot of the confusion with Wins/Sins on what is actual criticism/praise vs comedy? Don’t do the ding if it’s a fucking joke. Literally just that would make it so much clearer.
4:10:15 A very important part for EFAP history and why they can't cover everything. It takes a lot more effort to actually break down films then what one would think.
Every time I hear one of these video essay idiots belittle Tony, I'm reminded of the quote from Iron Man 1
"Tony Stark built this IN A CAVE! With a BOX OF SCRAPS!"
Which is reflective of the entire MCU really
It’s reflective of the production of iron man itself which is funny
On the talk of action stars, Scott Adkins is becoming a fast favorite of mine for fight movies. He's a great actor, great choreograph fighter and all around badass. He's built like crazy.
3:10 who said HOW ITALIAN does Mario sound?
100%?
75%?
*69?*
XD
Terence Fletcher from Whiplash developed his ideology after watching one cinemawins video
“Let me tell ya something, man - and every CinemaWins ‘review’ only proves my point further - filmmaking is a dying art. No two words in the English language are more harmful than ‘Good Job’.”
@@spooplegeist I watch E;R too
** Spoiler for midnight mass **
But there was a downside to the vampire blood. Remember the pregnant lady who just had her child disappear?
So basically the vampire blood should come with a warning label for pregnant women.
Vampire blood is known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.
4:41:00 Of course Koalas are uniquely stupid. They are vegan bears.
Aren't they technically not bears?
They're not bears at all, they're marsupials. And nothing stupid about being vegan.
@@akashajones6079 Sorry to tell you this but it is utmost retarded to voluntarily pick a diet that strips your body of some the nutrients it needed thanks to evolution that gave our species the ability to consume and digest various sources of food to enable us becoming the most advanced lifeform on Earth. And I know you will say that you can compensate with artificial supplements provided by the 20th century advancements of big pharma.
Boy, oh boy, will you hate to be vegan in just a couple of years from now on.
Mauler: I get jump scares, meh
Ragsssss:Hold the line Mauler!
Sitch and Adam did 11 hours, you guys are slacking. Lol
Just slow the video down. Works great!
I think Charlie Day is a great pick for Luigi. He has Luigi energy
10:40 The people who unironically say this stuff are uncultured as can be. Italian cinema has a very long history, even though it's prime has passed.
The Handmaid's Tale is a feminist campfire story that's so fucking out of touch with reality I find superhero comics more grounded.
So I think it says alot about Wins that he thinks its not normal to be comfortable around bullets. He might have an argument if it were a loaded gun, but a bullet? There's something seriously wrong with someone uncomfortable holding a bullet.
You seemed to contradict yourself at the end.
"Smash your face to own the incels."
--CinemaWins
the mentalist is fucking amazing until red john arc finishes, 10/10
how do i end up loving shad more and more with each efap i see him on?
He makes awful videos, but he's a really likable guy
I dunno, all this "Mario doesn't sound like Chris Pratt" talk sounds like an Adaptation Argument to me.
2:33:30 - I'm 100% with Shad here and I do think CinemaWins was trying to go there with the "Didn't not touch her" ... Nice "attack response" by Rags per usual 😂 JK
"In soviety Russia, task Masters you!"
I actually liked that joke ;-;
if only because all of the other attempts where so pathetic -_-
What's the joke?
“What is this? You WANT conversations about hysterectomies in the MCU? Why?”
Everything great with The Golden compass...
Seen it, heard Cinemawins saying he'd like to do his schtick for everything, cuz "every movie is someone's favorite"...
Went to look, that review is *goooone* , least I can't find the original.
Me thinks it doesn't prove anything, but...
Has he done everything great about the live action atla movie? I'm sure thst would be a hit.
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Yes, kinda just plain tism-fuel.
Go check it out if you ever doubted if he was pretending or not.
He's desperate in this one, just seeing the tumbnail reminded me how much nonsense he was pumping out in this one... 😁
@@amanibob1416 oh I know he's faking his tlj video is a dumpster fire
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Of course you knew. It's just a matter of me trying to say "he's doing that schtick *even* if he 100% doesn't want to, *even* if he doesn't know sh1t-all about the subject and/or *even* when he knows every fans of the original content, (and 99.99% of all normies), already know about the selected movie to be a dumpster fire.
Rambly way to say: Tons of folks definitely love the stuff he does and TlJ had fans in the millions, yet he was as "competent" and genuine for that one as he was with the rest.
Ps/Conclusion: it's not a few, nor just a pattern, it's all the same schtick, no matter what he thinks or what he's got to work with.
@@amanibob1416 true, his tlj video was where I could easily tell he was trying way too hard. He went into the video so defensive you could tell he was trying to defend a literal pile of crap. I remember the exact line that made me realize "oh its THAT kind of video" "huldo doesn't owe him an explanation of the plan" except she does, proper military structure dictates all orders go down the chain of command she cannot bypass a captain and give orders to everyone under him. He would have to sign off on those plans and be in charge of seeing his part through.
4:47:00 "All the Burghers had swords"
5:12:00 "I wasn't tinfoiling here; I was tricked."
There’s no such thing as a coincidence. The fact that you’re reading this means that we’re energetically alligned.
I can't wait for Tom Holland to voice Ganondorf.
If EFAP Haters could make it to the 5 hour 10 minute mark, they would love it and say "EFAP falls to pieces!" EFAP Supporters are like "Yeah, they had a disagreement and yet there's 4 more hours of content!"
Haha 5:14:00 ish... this whole set of arguments has been hilarious from an outside perspective witnessing it all... and just as funny that metal was just enjoying listening fo it all... lol and then it ends and metal did his laugh but itwas just a real short one so a new argument begins saying he never did it when he did lolol
The only thing worse than Cinema Sins is Cinema Wins.
Wrong
@@lukescrew1981 please elaborate
@@HerohammerStudios Why?
Here's how stupid a Koala is... if you give it a stem with eucalypt leaves on it, they'll eat it just fine. If you put a plate down, with eucalypt leaves off the stem placed on it, they don't recognize it as food and won't eat it.
What is it with CinemaThings and his obsession with tearing down the prior movies in order to support this one? I mean, Michael Douglas and the uncanny valley? Tony Stark’s ‘daddy issues’ in Civil War?! She’s just as valuable as THOR?!?!
He sounds like one of the Black Widow writers…
Yeah, I kind of watched the show (Midnight Mass) over the past 3-ish days and I quite liked it. I think I liked the early parts most when things were still really shrouded in mystery. Bit of a small (and terrible) essay of a comment, so pardon me.
I REALLY liked the setting in the show and how isolated the place felt. Almost reminded me of some of the smaller towns on the north of Vancouver Island to a small degree, or even the smaller parts of the town where my Granddad's Cottage is located on the island. I like the idea of spooky stuff lurking in the woods or outskirts of a town. I liked all of the spooky sightings at night quite a bit, but I understand those are more shallow/surface level praises to the show lol. I fear plot analysis is not something I am very good at still.
But despite my saying that... yeah... the ending. Hmmm... not sure how I feel about it just yet, because it really felt a bit like everyone had suddenly got hit by an idiot ball. Rest in pepperoni Mr. Sheriff and Erin Greene.
Just going bit by bit with the podcast here, but 42:32 yeah, I was disappointed they didn't explore potential fracturing in the Vampire group more. Surely not everyone on the island was so willing to just be evil or go with Crazy Bitch and her "exclusive club". Surely some people would have objected to what was happening, especially the ones who didn't end up drinking the suicide drinks I imagine (and ESPECIALLY the ones who didn't end up going to the Church that night). Just because they've too became Vampires doesn't mean they're all suddenly bad or have loyalty to Bev. Besides, surely Pruitt could have called more people to his side? He was the one giving all of the sermons and inspiring people, not Bev. Why didn't more people ask "well, what does Father Pruitt have to say on all of this?" or something. I'm no writer, so maybe this all sounds a tad stupid, but I just thought it could have been interesting to see the Vampires split between normal, good people, and the ravenous individuals who were following Bev primarily and/or giving into their hunger more readily?
And YES! Why have Bev, who clearly wants to try her damnedest to stay alive, just give up and then decide not to give up at the last second? Even the original Vampire just seemed a bit stupid in that final episode. Just letting Erin cut his wings like that, and letting himself get splashed with gasoline then subsequently set partially on fire. I mean... I guess we don't entirely know how much he'd comprehend what gasoline was? Or maybe he's so lost to his own thirst for blood he'd just... let stuff happen to him? Or he's just that arrogant??? Those are not really satisfactory explanations to me though... just sort of trying to poorly think out what the reasoning may be lol.
And yes :v the ending line... a bit sad for her, and an odd thing to end on? As someone suffering from some back pains right now (at 27, woohoo, should take better care of myself...) you bet your ass I'd drink a bit of that blood if it meant fixing that or any other flaws my body has :v I'd not be thrilled to suddenly be like "oh damn, my legs fucking hurt again, nice." The whole "things in moderation" discussed at certain points of the show goes nicely with the idea of not letting your reliance on the blood/thirst to overtake you or change who you are/losing your humanity. Not letting addiction get the better of you and all that. God, this was probably a horrendously clunky paragraph, but I can't think of a better way to reword it as I'm sort of "proof reading" this comment before posting. I hope it makes some sense/doesn't make me sound too stupid lol.
Sounds like they may have run out of time/budget based off what you said at one point, so that's a terrible shame if that's the case. I was actually sad when watching the show to only see 7 episodes. Feels like things could have been drawn out a bit more/explored in greater detail before that finale.
I wonder how the head Vampire became the way he was. Would the townsfolk eventually become like him if enough time passed/they gave into their hunger more readily?
I think I still can say I really enjoyed the show despite episode 7. Those first 6 episodes were really enjoyable. I especially enjoyed the characters and all of the conversations they'd have with one another; particularly the ones between Pruitt and Riley at their AA meetings, or Riley and Erin just whenever, or Riley with his Mom or Dad trying to patch things up, and I could go on. Just so many likable characters, and great moments between them all. I always love the characters in these Mike Flanagan shows.
My mind may change upon rewatching in the future, but for the moment, I quite enjoyed it despite the ending. Pardon me if this is a very clunky comment lol. Just had my own little thoughts I thought I'd splurge out into the comments. Anyway... time to keep listening and post this :v
Efap cast, how DARE you say Bowser can't be played by Jack black! Have you never heard Bowser's ONLY English speaking role in Mario sunshine? He's a perfect match
Also Paper Mario characterization of Bowser is 100% something Jack Black could do. It's him but mean basically